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One Piece, 374-376 · Spoil Me! One Piece

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  This is an Unspoiled Network podcast. This is spoil Me, covering One Piece
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  episodes three seventy four, three seventy five, and three seventy six. Our
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  Bodies vanish, the morning sun shines on the nightmarish island and not out of
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  danger yet orders to annihilate the straw Hat crew and it repels everything Kuma's pawpaw
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  power. In these episodes we finally see Maria taken down. It turns out
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  he bit off a little bit more than he could chew. And then we
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  get to see the paw paw power, which I have a lot of questions
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  about. Welcome to spoil Me, Welcome to the show everyone. I am
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  Natasha. Thank you very much to the One Piece crew for commissioning this episode
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  and for your patience. I had to postpone from yesterday. I am really
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  excited, though, guys, you know there's been all kinds of issues with
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  the dogs and having to keep them separate. Right now, I have Pippin
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  in the room and he has passed the fuck out because I took him out
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  for a bunch of excitement on the town this morning when I was running errands.
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  But pretty soon and by that I mean, in like a few weeks,
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  I think two, maybe three, I think we may have found somewhere
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  for Sam fingers crossed. It's not a guaranteed thing yet, but I think
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  that we're going to be able to have a little bit more order and less
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  chaos coming up, which would be lovely anyway. So let's get to these
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  episodes. I y'all, what happens is honestly, like kind of hysterical to
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  me because I was telling y'all how intimidating I found Maria's power and then it's
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  sort of low key turns out he can't even really do it, and I'm
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  not even mad, Like I feel like that if I had been in a
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  different mood when I watched the first of or was the second of these episodes,
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  I guess I may have been more irritated about the fact that there was
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  so much build up and then it turns out it doesn't really work. But
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  I kind of enjoy the fact that it's a little bit of an anti climactic
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  situation after all, especially because we've got Kuma sort of picking up the slack,
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  and I know the point is supposed to be, like, oh,
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  we finally finished with Maria and I can't believe that we have to face this
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  other asshole after everything that we've already been through. But really, for me,
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  what it's sort of feeling like is more I we didn't get the fight
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  I was expecting from Maria, so Kuma has to show up in order for
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  there to feel like something happened, you know what I'm saying. So anyway,
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  all right, let's start with the first of these four because I was
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  sort of puzzled when the title of this is our Bodies vanished and the other
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  episode there had been a moment where it looked like people's bodies were actually just
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  straight up gone, and I thought that was what was happening here. But
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  it turns out that what this is referencing is the fact that the sun is
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  coming up and it's causing people's bodies to dissipate, even though they are getting
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  their shadows back, and that should be impossible now. And um, I
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  really enjoyed the surprise of the fact that everybody thought we're in the clear end
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  it turns out they're not. And I say this, like, you know,
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  there's there's some rules that were laid down, and it appears at first
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  like we're bucking those rules. But I just enjoy this the like shock value
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  of everyone sort of believing one thing and it turning out to not quite exactly
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  work out the way they thought initially. Um, so we start off three
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  seventy is it three seventy three? I think, Um, And you guys,
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  I can't tell you how much of a Dodo bird I felt. There's
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  that pirate captain whose whole thing is that she proposes to people like the moment
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  she meets them. And I didn't fucking realize that this woman's shadow is,
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  of course in that Pig Zombie, which I don't know how I missed it,
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  and my fucking brain took so long to catch on because at one point
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  her men are calling her Lola, and I'm like, oh, Lola,
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  that's weird. I thought that was the name of the pig Zombie. They're
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  both named Lola. That's weird, and they do seem kind of similar.
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  What's going on with that? You guys? It was like I had never
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  seen the show. It was like I didn't know what like, it took
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  so long for me to remember, And I think what sort of surprised me
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  was the fact that Lola is not like the name of the person who has
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  the shadow isn't usually what they call the zombie, so I think that's sort
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  of what was throwing me off, you know. It's not like they call
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  Ors Lofy. They call him Oors. And the little guys that are like
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  um squirrel creatures, it's a they're they're called like I keep wanting to say
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  flotsam and jetsam, but that's the name of the eels that are Ursula's sidekicks.
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  But they're called like Havoc and Mayhem or something right like something that is
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  not the name of the people whose shadows they are. In other words,
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  So I don't know why, in particular, the zombie pig was called by
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  the same name as the captain, But I do find it really funny that
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  like she was called by the same name, and it genuinely seems like as
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  long. She says something at one point about how they've been hiding in the
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  shadows for what two years, it was a long time, and trying to
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  figure out a way to get their shadows back, and Maria has assured us
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  that once a shadow is out of somebody's body for long enough, it begins
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  to lose any trace of that person's personality. Well, I present Lola because
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  that pig was pretty much Lola's personality, like Squared and I that's a pretty
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  big exception to this rule, is all I'm saying. And my head canon
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  for this is if you have a really strong personality, it never quite goes
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  away. So I liked to think Ores would never have stopped being like Lufy,
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  no matter how much Maria assured everybody. Give him some time and he'll
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  be completely under my control. My head cannon is that would literally never actually
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  happen. That's what it's supposed to happen, and that's what would happen with
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  most people, but those who are a little bit fucking nuts, it doesn't
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  actually ever occur. That's my head cannon, and I'm sticking to it.
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  Sarah him says the Risky Brothers, right, and I do think that's their
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  name. Best guess the shadows that got put into animal Frankensteins, just go
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  with the shadows names since the original body wasn't a person with their own name.
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  Okay, I see what you're saying. Never like, so you're saying
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  the Risky Brothers was the name of the brothers in life Okay, I don't
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  remember did we meet them. I think I see where you're going, and
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  I think that we did meet them. I'm just having trouble remembering. And
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  Sarah from says, at least she figured it out. Real. Lola isn't
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  nearly as pushy as her shadow. That's true. She takes no for an
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  answer. In fact, she takes a tally of how many times she gets
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  no. That's how much she takes it for an answer. And also I
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  want to tell you because like if you're listening and you're like, what the
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  fuck was that noise? This is my headphones, which are like so sam
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  ate my good headphones, and I just happened to have these headphones around to
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  use as an emergency. They are the creakiest, like it sounds like a
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  haunted house. I mean, what the fuck? So I ordered a secondhand
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  pair that was like the ones I used to have. They arrived and they're
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  fucking busted like their secondhand they said like new, No they're not. So
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  they're currently winging their way back to the cellar and I still have to make
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  do with these for a little bit longer. Very cranky about it, but
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  forgive me if I ever like have to lift one of the earpads to scratch
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  an ear or something. It sounds like I'm pushing open several old wooden doors
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  on a ship. So anyway, this, uh, this like all we
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  have like the long drawn out here go the shadows into Maria and just watching
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  him kind of inflate. He gets bigger and bigger. It's all even more
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  exaggerated, of course than it was with Lufy, because remember he looked like
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  a completely different person basically, and it's not Maria doesn't undergo that dramatic a
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  change, but it's still at least his size, and everybody's running away from
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  him. At one point, he like looks like he's gonna punch at somebody,
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  and he like collapses. He just collapses, like face first, and
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  he manages to stand up, and he manages to continue intimidating everybody. But
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  there's a real sense of this is not the way he's supposed to be right
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  now, Like do you know what I'm saying, Like you see him taking
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  all these shadows, and you're ready for him to really start a fight,
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  And what it feels like is somebody trying to yank on the chord to a
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  lawnmower and they're doing it over and over and it's just not quite catching.
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  He's like attempting to fight, and he's got a look in his eye like
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  he's full of rage and he's gonna go for it, but his attacks all
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  sort of fall short and he seems really clumsy, and everything about this is
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  like much different than I was expecting. And then we have a big moment
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  with Lola talking to her crew and as the sun is coming up, everybody
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  understandably begins to flee and they're just like, yeah, all right, well
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  game over. I guess the fucking we lost and he's got our shadows and
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  there's no way they're beating him. So I'm out. And Lola stops and
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  her crew is continuing to run and they notice she isn't coming with them,
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  and they turn around and they're like, what's the deal. You've got to
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  go. We can't beat this guy, and you know that, right,
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  and Lola is this is one of those those sorts of things. The show
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  has done this before, and it really really depends on the situation whether I
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  am feeling it at all, because there are times where it's like, I'm
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  going to face this guy no matter what, even if it kills me.
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  And it's meant to be really moving and like they're being brave, but for
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  me, it feels really foolhardy and selfish and sometimes like you're just asking for
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  somebody to step in and save you, which I just think is really rude.
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  With this, though, it really did seem like she was going,
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  look, all of these other people have stepped in and decided to go for
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  it, and it's like, in large part on our behalf, and I
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  just don't feel right about leaving them to do it all by themselves and running
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  and hiding. There's a bunch of people over there who are also missing their
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  shadows and also at risk of dying if the sun hits them. And they're
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  still standing there and they are still unafraid, And I love when she says
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  unafraid. She says they're completely fearless. The camera goes to oos Up,
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  whose mouth is hanging open by like four feet, with his eyes wide it
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  out in fear, and his tongue jutting out and his fists clenched because he's
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  utterly terrified. It was a real nice touch to have her say utterly fearless,
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  and then like jump onto him, and yeah, Lola is basically like,
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  you know, at this point, I have got to face it.
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  I can't just let them go into this and run off and hide and give
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  up. If they think they can win this, you know what, I'm
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  gonna stay with them, and they seem pretty confident. I think if anybody
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  can win this, they can. And if I'm wrong, oh well that's
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  a bet I'm gonna make. And I feel pretty good about it. And
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  when all of them are like, well, do you want us to stay,
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  she says, I can't. I'm not making that decision for you.
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  This is my decision to make for myself, and I am your captain.
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  So what I want is for you to be safe. That's the point of
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  Like, my job is to make sure my guys are all right. I
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  can't tell you to stay here and risk it all. So this is what
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  I'm doing. But you do what you need to do, and says I'm
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  putting my faith in them and I won't falter. And like I said,
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  this doesn't always work for me. There's so many times that we have this
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  sort of like I'm taking a stand moment that I feel kind of fall flat,
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  and I think the fact that everybody else has lost their shadow, or
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  not everybody, but you know a significant number of our friends have lost their
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  shadows because they are all at risk the same way. That is what makes
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  her staying feel significant to me and like it makes some sense. Granted,
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  she doesn't have the powers and the fighting skills that our guys do, so
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  there's still a part of me that's like, yeah, they're staying because they
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  could maybe do something. I don't know that you can do something, but
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  at least the like sort of immediate real threat here at this point is that
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  the sun is coming up and they're in as much danger regarding that as she
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  is. What I kept thinking about with this too, And nobody really like
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  says anything about this, And I don't know if it's like it didn't occur
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  to anybody or it was just going to be a little bit too bleak,
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  But so this is what I was sort of thinking. Oh, I'm sorry,
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  Gus in the chat, Oh, Saraphin first has agreed it does seem
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  certain really strong personality Tree stick around, but they still end up having to
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  obey Maria, but not always without question true. Gus says, Yeah,
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  I don't think the personality of shadows ever goes away. It's meant to be
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  that over time the shadows come completely under Maria's control, they still have the
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  same mannerisms as their previous host forever. Oh okay, I thought that Maria
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  said that he like, eventually that goes away, like specifically they kind of
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  forget who they used to be entirely. But maybe I sort of interpreted that
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  wrong. But the thing that I was sort of wondering if it was going
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  to come up, and it doesn't, and I'm like, I'm fine with
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  it not going this way because it would have, like I said, been
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  kind of bleak, but I would have liked for somebody to mention it.
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  The thing that I was sort of expecting to be put out there is that
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  if the owner of a shadow dies, the shadow vanishes. And I was
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  sort of wondering if we were going to get like a mass self sacrifice,
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  that we were having a lot of people hanging around and hiding in the shadows
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  hoping to get their own shadow back. Maria takes their shadows for power,
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  and they realize that the one thing they can do to cause that to affect
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  the power he has at all would be to sacrifice themselves so that their shadow
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  was no longer there and he didn't have that power to draw on at all.
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  Since the sun is like right here, I kind of expected somebody to
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  mention it and like the way I would expect it to go were it to
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  happen. If I were writing a fan fick in this universe and I was
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  trying to be pretty like, you know, faithful to the overall tone of
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  the stories, what I would do is have somebody be really heroic and noble
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  proposing this sort of sacrifice and a bunch of people about to run into the
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  sun, and then they're stopped by probably Zoro. I'm gonna go with probably
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  Zoro being the one to stop them, because he'd be like insulted that they
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  think that it's better for all of them to die because the straw Hats aren't
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  up to the task. That's what I would do, But it doesn't really
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  come up. And what we get more is the sorry Sarah m is saying
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  wouldn't really have done much given the number of people there versus how many shadows
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  Maria had. I guess that's true, but you could like he took a
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  thousand shadows, right and when he takes them, they are all the zombies
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  that were in Well, I guess, like, so what I'm thinking is,
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  if he's got a thousand shadows, how many people does he have on
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  the island. And we do see at one point a crew that's like on
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  a ship and they have been just like trying their best to sail normally on
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  their ship, but they're not on Thriller Bark anymore. And yet their shadows
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  are gone and they're not on the island. So all that to say,
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  not everybody, not every owner of a shadow is present, But I don't
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  feel like I've got a good idea of where everybody is and what's happening to
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  all of them in terms of the rest of the owners, because if he's
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  got a thousand shadows, there's a thousand people somewhere spread out somehow, and
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  that one ship is the only place that we see that isn't like on the
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  island. But anyway, I just thought that me be it would be mentioned,
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  and you know, there would be a thing with it, and it
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  doesn't really come up at all whether or not it would have made a particular
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  difference. I just expected it to be addressed because everybody starts like steaming and
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  and you know, getting hit by the sun and begins to smoke. So
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  we're right on the edge of a bunch of folks completely dying, and it
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  seemed like the moment for that to be brought up. But anyway, so
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  this is Lufy. He is doing his third gear and he's he's using jet
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  bazuka, which he pushes at Maria's stomach a bunch of times using jet bazuoka,
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  and the shadows begin to just leak out of his mouth. And I
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  gotta tell you, guys, the imagery of these shadows was pouring out of
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  his mouth upward instead of like pouring down his front the way that like a
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  liquid would do. Is very off putting. I kept thinking about a full
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  metal alchemist and you know, you know what I'm talking about, and how
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  like disturbing that imagery was. And this is sort of what like, this
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  is like a really tamed down version of that. It's all all the edges
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  have been sort of smoothed here, but it still brought it to mind.
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  So everybody's beginning to realize that More is like out here taking all of this
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  power, acting like he can just wield it. But it's too much for
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  him. He's starting to like bleed from his eyes and nose. It is
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  not it's not looking good for him. Lufy prepares to attack again, and
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  Maria yells brick bat and we get all of the shadows piling up around Lufy
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  and creating a box with a lid that just slams shut on him, which
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  I did think was actually kind of dope looking. And Maria is like,
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  all right, now, I've got you in the box and I'm just gonna
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  crush you. And he punches the box, which, of course the box
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  is like on the side of a building, so when he punches it,
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  he takes out this huge chunk of the building. Everybody is like, obviously,
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  there is no way in hell that Lufy survived that. But because we
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  know that Lufy is a rubber, I was not worried about this in particular.
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  He like falls, We see him in the box and his arm is
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  still just sticking out of it, but the box is still there, and
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  Maria stomps on it and calls him a cocky little snot, and I was
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  sort of like, that's fair, you know, I don't know if I'd
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  say that Lufy is cocky exactly, but I one can understand somebody else seeing
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  him as cocky. So, like I said, everybody is watching this thinking
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  Lufy's dead. Maria is monologuing about how Lufy needs to learn his place in
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  the world. Nails that stick out get hammered down, and then we get
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  a pretty good moment. I thought of Lufy emerging from the box. He
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  is still able to stand up, and he is still trying to channel third
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  gear, like his body is doing that weird shiny thing that it does,
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  and he says, may maybe I am a nail that sticks out, but
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  I'm not gonna let anybody hammer me down. And I actually really liked that.
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  You know, there's a lot of lines that are meant to be like
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  I'm I'm not giving up, and I'm gonna use whatever you said and sort
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  of reverse it again. That don't work, and I just thought this one
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  really did. It's one thing to be like, I'm never gonna lose,
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  but that's not even what he's saying. He's just like, maybe I'll lose,
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  but that doesn't mean I've been hammered down, which is a different thing.
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  And I just sort of liked it, and Maria starts laughing and it's
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  like, wow, I can tell that you believe that, which is almost
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  impressive because you seem to think you're indestructible. And Lufy says rubber bounces back,
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  and I was like, true, that's also a pretty good line.
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  Maria gets very angry at this, so Lufy is like powering himself up again
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  and saying, I am gonna make you spit all of these shadows out.
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  Don't even worry about that part of it. And he does that thing where
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  he like blows up his forearm. And this is such a huge moment because
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  we have us up who had watched Lufy used this technique before and then become
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  utterly paralyzed and like almost a sitting duck. And he's watching Lufy do this
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  thing again as he's like blowing his arm up and it goes into his body,
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  and he's realizing if he does this, yeah, he may beat Maria,
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  but like, if he doesn't beat him with this, he's just going
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  to be useless. So Lufy uses giant jet shell and pounds forward directly into
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  Maria's sternam basically like a spot where if you were to punch a person,
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  they'd probably vomit, and Maria starts to lose a bunch of shadows, but
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  he puts his hands over his mouth and he's trying to hold them in place.
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  And then we have an interesting moment that I loved, which is Lowly
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  yelling to her shadow, trying to remind it who she is and that it's
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  a part of her. I loved this, you guys, I really did
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  like it. Didn't like the connection that people have to their shadows. I
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  wouldn't have minded a little bit more conversation about the lore regarding how all this
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  works, because I do feel like this is such a fascinating concept, and
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  I understand that probably what was going on is that Odah doesn't want to box
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  himself in too much, so he lets things be vague and that way he
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  can just pull out whatever, and that makes total sense. But I wouldn't
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  mind seeing this sort of idea being handled by somebody like Brandon Sanderson, for
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  example, somebody who's like, all right, that magical system, I'm gonna
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  give you so much magical system, like just to see what he'd do with
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  it. And all of her guys, when they see her like standing in
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  the sun calling to her shadow, they come out and they start to yell
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  at her that they're not going to let her die out here, and she
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  reprimands them by not saying I'm doing this, but by going, you guys
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  can't tell me that you don't feel it. They're right there. Which I
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  loved that so much that she's just like, okay, dudes, maybe if
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  we all got on the same page here, we could do something about this.
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  You know, there's just a sort of like impatience and an instinct that
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  she's going with. And soon we've got all of the guys like on the
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  sidelines. I should mention again, weird thing with this show. You can
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  have like a woman pirate captain. You can never have women pirates. It's
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  like, I don't get what that's about. The One Piece crew is like
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  the only crew we have ever seen that has any women as members of the
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  crew. Otherwise it's a woman captain and no men anywhere or no women anywhere
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  to be seen. It's only men. I don't know what that's about,
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  but I gotta be honest, I'm sort of getting over it. I'm like,
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  come on, but anyway, all of the dudes begin to yell for
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  their shadows, and it seems like it's kind of working. Maria is struggling,
• 29:55
  and all of the one piece crew that is like are the straw hat
• 30:00
  crew. They are standing around watching this with smiles on their faces, like
• 30:03
  they really believe that this is working, in that it's accomplishing something. And
• 30:11
  then Loofy is like, all right, you know what, I'm gonna jump
• 30:15
  in on this as well and try and like call my shadow back. So
• 30:21
  he launches another assault on Maria using third gear, punches Maria back and he
• 30:29
  hits a huge chunk of the building which begins to collapse on top of him.
• 30:33
  Meanwhile, Loofy, who had been on third gear, this attack knocks
• 30:37
  so much of the windown of him that he goes flying through the air like
• 30:41
  an inflated balloon that you like, haven't sealed off, you haven't tied it,
• 30:45
  and you just let it go and it just goes like through the air.
• 30:51
  That's basically what Loofy does here. He goes flying and it's a very
• 30:56
  like floppy, weird little moment. It's very funny to me because the majesty
• 31:03
  and SloMo of Maria falling when it is you know that's pictured right beside Lufy's
• 31:11
  sort of sad little flop. I found that very very funny. So Maria
• 31:18
  is on the ground and all of these shadows are like pooling in his mouth.
• 31:23
  It looks like he is right on the edge of losing all of them,
• 31:30
  and Maria is saying to himself, you little bastard, I'll show you
• 31:36
  the real nightmares that are waiting for you in the New world, which I
• 31:41
  don't know what he means by that, because he's on the edge when he
• 31:45
  says it. And then as soon as he's done talking, all of the
• 31:49
  shadows begin to like pour out of his mouth. It's like a geyser.
• 31:56
  And this is when there's a huge, huge crack in a part of the
• 32:01
  building that had been shielding everybody from the sun, and the sun starts to
• 32:07
  hit the people whose shadows are on their way back but have not quite made
• 32:15
  it yet, and they begin to disintegrate. And I'll tell you what,
• 32:20
  it's pretty freaky. I didn't believe for a moment that they were actually going
• 32:25
  to disintegrate and die. You know, of course not, but I was
• 32:30
  really surprised that the shadows don't immediately fly back into them. It takes it
• 32:37
  a little bit for this to happen, you know. So, yeah,
• 32:42
  the eventually we find out that like the principle that was proposed by Maria regarding
• 32:50
  Oars, where he's like, if I can make his shadow into a sphere
• 32:53
  a ball, I can force Oars's body into a ball also, which then
• 33:00
  he yells Or's ball, which is never going to not be funny. But
• 33:06
  basically what they're asserting is that because the shadow was still the full size of
• 33:13
  the people that it was stolen from and like had their shape, we have
• 33:19
  the shadows restoring what had started to vanish because the body had to obey the
• 33:29
  shape the shadow enforced on it. Which sure, you wouldn't even have to
• 33:35
  really explain that to me, and I would be mostly like, I accept
• 33:38
  it, you know, to be honest. Gus says, I forget if
• 33:45
  it was this group of episodes or the last group. But Maria was explaining
• 33:47
  that he used to be just like Loofy, full of dreams and ambition,
• 33:52
  but when he went into the New World, his whole crew was killed.
• 33:54
  That's why he primarily uses zombies now instead of living people. It might have
• 33:59
  been right before he started absorbing all the shadows, Yeah, it was sort
• 34:02
  of he doesn't get into like what happened. He says, if I recall
• 34:08
  if they'd all just been zombies from the beginning, which is sort of a
• 34:15
  wild like I get what he means, you know, but it doesn't It's
• 34:21
  like that's not better, you get that, right, But yeah, this
• 34:28
  is like a I don't know, I just yeah, Gus is saying he's
• 34:34
  basically like a reflection of Lufi who lost his crew and became jaded, depressed,
• 34:38
  etc. I would love to know what the fuck Maria was doing with
• 34:43
  his powers before he decided to go down this like weirdo path. But this
• 34:50
  is when we get in at the next episode, the montage of all of
• 34:54
  these different people getting their shadows back, So we had that like on captain
• 35:00
  that we had met. We have a pretty wild moment with the girl who
• 35:07
  is a maid at that house, and she turns out to be the one
• 35:10
  who like hates plates and is the shadow that had been inside the movie star
• 35:17
  whose name I will literally never remember or get right. This was a weird
• 35:22
  one because it was like the I think the only person that we hadn't already
• 35:27
  met, you know, the captain we had at least seen, but she
• 35:30
  is like working for this guy who is I was thinking that there was a
• 35:36
  sort of like romantic thing between them, but then I think his wife is
• 35:39
  mentioned, so it's supposed to just be that she's like just a straight up
• 35:45
  servant. And I would love to know how her shadow was stolen, like
• 35:51
  what happened that she was even able to get away and then come and get
• 35:53
  this job here. But she is expecting that, like he is going to
• 35:59
  fire her for reasons that were weird. She breaks a bunch of his dishes
• 36:02
  because she's so startled at the fact that her shadows back, and then when
• 36:07
  he doesn't fire her for that, she's like deeply grateful onas going bar so
• 36:14
  low, honestly. And then we go back to all of our friends who
• 36:19
  are realizing that they aren't dead, even though it seemed for a moment like
• 36:23
  it was completely game over. I do really love Brooke, especially standing in
• 36:30
  the sun and just being like, well, god, damn, I can't
• 36:35
  believe that we got on this other side of this, And just the slowness
• 36:40
  of him looking at his hand and then turning his face to the sun and
• 36:45
  his shadow pouring behind him. I just really appreciated this moment. Good for
• 36:50
  him. Meanwhile, this place is a fucking disaster, Like the whole building,
• 36:57
  it's shot to hell, and and I have to assume pretty much everybody
• 37:02
  is just going to completely abandon thriller bark Like, you know, we've got
• 37:07
  Absalom, and we have got what's his name, Hilden is it? I
• 37:15
  don't know what they're gonna do. Maybe they'll stay here, I'm not sure,
• 37:19
  but there's oars kinds this bit he is, so let's see him trying
• 37:29
  to find it here it is. Frankie says, does anybody have nicola?
• 37:34
  That wore me out? Sanji says all the creepy stuff and weird creatures in
• 37:37
  this place were an illusion, a false reality made by Maria and his crew.
• 37:45
  Now that he's been beaten, there's nothing left in this place. It's
• 37:50
  like we all woke up from the same horrible nightmare. Um, there's lots
• 37:57
  of actual zombie bodies. Those weren't an illusion. So what exactly is he
• 38:05
  saying was an illusion? I didn't really understand that, you know. It's
• 38:09
  like I wasn't getting like it's we don't go I don't think inside the house
• 38:19
  and see that all of the trappings inside, or the portraits and things like
• 38:25
  that, that those were illusions. Were they? I don't think? But
• 38:31
  anyway, we go for a moment to Absalom waking up and Lola is like
• 38:38
  right next to him, and he thinks that she's alive, but her shadow
• 38:43
  has left her, and doctor Hogback is there, and he is perfectly fine
• 38:49
  that both of them are unscathed, and Absalom says, what happened to me,
• 38:54
  to which Hogback says, I don't fucking know, Master Moria, though
• 39:00
  he's done. This place is completely trashed. It's the end of the line
• 39:07
  for us. So we have got to figure out what we are going to
• 39:10
  do because and I have slump starts getting real loud, and doctor Hogback is
• 39:16
  like, can you keep your fucking voice down? First of all, we
• 39:21
  can't let them know where we are because they will kill us or do something.
• 39:24
  And I'm not going to spend the rest of my life as a fucking
• 39:27
  washed up loser, to which Absalom says, what does that mean? And
• 39:35
  we cut away from them, and for the rest of this section don't see
• 39:38
  what they do. So I'm real curious about that bit. Gus says,
• 39:46
  what's so weird about that one, Oh the Maid, is that her real
• 39:51
  world personality seems nothing like sinjury. I'm pretty sure most of her personality as
• 39:55
  a zombie came from Cindury's body. I don't know, though, Saraphim says,
• 40:00
  I'm guessing that all the zombies and monsters and everything that seemed supernatural was
• 40:04
  just the result result of Maria's devil fruit. But that's not an illusion.
• 40:15
  I mean, I would argue that they are supernatural. It's just such a
• 40:19
  weird line in this world. It's like the same thing as Lufy being impressed
• 40:22
  that husup the Sniper King is a superhero when it's like, Lufy, you
• 40:28
  are a literal superhero, why are you impressed? But because it's like devil
• 40:31
  fruit, it doesn't count for whatever reason. So it's certainly to me the
• 40:37
  exact same thing. Literally, who cares, But I guess I don't know,
• 40:44
  though. It's just again, even if that were what he meant,
• 40:46
  that's not really the same as being an illusion. And he says, like
• 40:52
  all the creepy stuff has disappeared as the camera pans over the many abandoned zombie
• 40:58
  bodies all over the island, So I don't know, it doesn't really matter.
• 41:06
  I just found it sort of confusing. So at this point everybody is
• 41:14
  starting to celebrate. It's a real moment. And then Nami is like,
• 41:20
  do you hear that? And we have a moment where we go over to
• 41:28
  Kuma, who again is carrying a Bible. I keep forgetting about that weird
• 41:32
  aspect, and he is sitting and observing what's happening and getting orders about what
• 41:40
  to do, and he has been told to kill absolutely everybody on this island,
• 41:47
  to not leave anyone alive. I don't know what that's about. I'm
• 41:55
  really really curious if this is going to come up or because what is the
• 42:05
  point of killing all of these other people. It's one thing to just like
• 42:09
  say, okay, I need you to take out the straw hats, do
• 42:13
  whatever you need to do, and any sort of collateral damage is acceptable as
• 42:17
  long as they're killed. But that's not even the orders that he gets.
• 42:22
  It's too explicitly make sure that there's nobody left alive on the whole island,
• 42:30
  which is bizarre. I'm not understanding what the point is of this, and
• 42:35
  I should mention that once again, after this massive fight that Lufy has just
• 42:40
  gone through with his third gear. He is down for the count like there
• 42:45
  is nothing useful left in him at all, and essentially he's unconscious for all
• 42:51
  of this. So we then go to Kuma and there's a real slow pan
• 42:58
  as everybody's looking at him and impressed with how huge he is and becoming intimidated
• 43:05
  by the fact that even after everything with Maria, I can't believe we still
• 43:08
  have to deal with this guy. And then he looks at Zoro and he
• 43:15
  says, should the annihilation start with you? Which is a hell of a
• 43:20
  sentence, And Zoro, for his part, I think, does not fully
• 43:28
  understand what he's dealing with here. Nami tries to explain, and you know,
• 43:34
  I don't. I'm not saying that people don't believe her, but it's
• 43:38
  one thing to hear it, and it's another thing to see it. And
• 43:44
  he goes into this I think with a maybe she thinks he's very intimidating,
• 43:50
  but I am a better fighter than her, so what she would be worried
• 43:53
  about wouldn't necessarily bother me, I think. With sort of his attitude here
• 44:01
  and all of the guys in the background, by the way, have psyched
• 44:05
  themselves up a little bit because they are they just got past Maria, and
• 44:14
  they're sort of like, we got our shadows back, and you know what,
• 44:17
  you think, We're gonna lay down our arms now and be done with
• 44:21
  it. Fuck it, We're gonna go for this dude and take him down.
• 44:24
  Who cares. This is the one part where Lola is like, guys,
• 44:31
  have some sense. No, you're not. You can't beat him.
• 44:36
  What are you doing? Babes? I love y'all, And I was like,
• 44:38
  gonna stand fast when it came to our shadows, We don't. This
• 44:42
  doesn't need to happen. This is not our fight. And I did kind
• 44:44
  of find that funny because I don't disagree with her at all, but it's
• 44:47
  just so like they have just got the reverse attitude of what she wants.
• 44:53
  And Zoro tells them all like, don't get involved with this. He pointed
• 45:00
  me out specifically, y'all saw it. So I'm going to handle this dude
• 45:07
  on my own. And he has a very unhappy sort of revelation here where
• 45:20
  the first attempt that he makes on Kuma. The reaction that Kuma has is
• 45:28
  so fast that Zoro barely gets out of the way before he's crushed under this
• 45:36
  guy's hand paw. I suppose he leaves such weird prince. He's got paw
• 45:45
  pads on the palms of his hands, and when he strikes out, multiple
• 45:52
  paw prints are like left all over the place. So Zoro gets hit,
• 46:00
  but his hits do fucking nothing, and Kuma is just warding them off with
• 46:07
  what seems to be his bare hands, and Namby off on the sidelines is
• 46:13
  like, I don't even get what his power is. What is he doing?
• 46:17
  Like what is this? And all of the other men are starting to
• 46:23
  see the pawpads and like figure out what's happening. It's all making a lot
• 46:29
  more sense because I couldn't figure out like the design on his clothes, and
• 46:32
  I was singing that there was like polka dots of various sizes, and I
• 46:37
  was thinking that it was sort of a fun design, and now I'm realizing,
• 46:39
  oh, it's just like the pauper, which does not make it less
• 46:43
  fun for the record, But what Kuma does too when he when he I
• 46:52
  won't say deflect, I guess is the word. He puts his hand up
• 46:57
  in response to Zoro's strike, and the strike instead of like being absorbed or
• 47:04
  bouncing straight back, goes sideways and slams into the building. These buildings have
• 47:10
  really taken a beating today, and he explains at this point Kuma I ate
• 47:16
  the paw paw fruit and became a paw palmed human. I do, deeply
• 47:24
  in my heart appreciate us up going. How can he say that with a
• 47:31
  straight face? That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard a menser.
• 47:38
  We even have a moment of Robin and like a thought bubble where she's imagining
• 47:45
  lots of kittens. It's pretty funny. And this is when this is when
• 47:58
  we have like every But he's starting to sort of chime in, being like,
• 48:01
  well, I don't see this, like how this would even work,
• 48:07
  And Frankie says, I don't take him very seriously. If he's just got
• 48:15
  like kit in powers, who cares, which Kuma apparently hears because he lashes
• 48:21
  out with his ability. Doesn't even turn his head, by the way,
• 48:25
  He just like sticks his hand out without even looking over. And Frankie goes
• 48:30
  down and it's rough, like it's a pretty solid hit. And what follows
• 48:37
  from here is basically Kuma attacking everybody and insulting them right after by being like,
• 48:46
  I had heard big things about you, but I'm not impressed. Everything
• 48:52
  I'm seeing is really mediocre at best. I don't get why anyone is impressed
• 49:00
  with you. And I loved especially when us Up us Up fires one of
• 49:09
  his like starble things at him, like a phoenix bomb or something. He
• 49:15
  says, the King of the Snipers steps up, a title you clearly gave
• 49:22
  yourself. That is devastating. That's a really like cold blooded insult. Damn,
• 49:36
  I mean, And it's weird too because you guys know, like when
• 49:39
  Kuma showed up, I was I was a little throne by the fact that
• 49:45
  he is so soft spoken. He's got a higher, softer voice than I
• 49:51
  would ever expect for a character that looks like this. So the fact that
• 49:59
  he is delivering these like verbal jabs on top of the physical SmackDown that he's
• 50:06
  laying on everybody, there's something extra savage about it. And I'm not really
• 50:13
  sure why, but it's there's like because his voice isn't even impassioned, you
• 50:21
  know, when he says everything, it's sort of flat, like he's bored.
• 50:27
  I think that's what's doing it is the sense of Wow. I really
• 50:34
  thought, Wow, you clearly gave that title to yourself, Like you know
• 50:38
  what I'm saying, it's just so dismissive. I really was sort of I
• 50:45
  was delighted by this, I'll be honest. Oh. In the chat,
• 50:50
  Gus says they don't want the information to straw Hat be another warlord to get
• 50:53
  out, because it's starting to make them look weak at this point, Sarah
• 50:57
  from since the government doesn't want any potential witnesses that, yeah, another of
• 51:00
  their war lords got taken out so soon after Crocodile, since they think it
• 51:02
  will make them look weak. Yeah, this makes sense. Okay, it's
• 51:08
  just still wild like all of them, come on, guys. But anyway,
• 51:14
  so Robin is like, I'm thinking this is deflected air because a regular
• 51:21
  physical attack wouldn't hit Frankie the way that that just did. And Kuma says,
• 51:28
  yeah, it's a shockwave and it can basically pierce through anything. Now,
• 51:37
  I just want to register my puzzlement because if you guys like were if
• 51:49
  you were tossing around ideas with your friends, let's say, and you were
• 51:53
  coming up with a list of weird superpowers that people could have, and the
• 52:00
  whole conceit was it's a devil fruit power. We have to name the fruit,
• 52:04
  and then we have to decide what the powers would include. And somebody
• 52:07
  came up with the paw paw fruit and said, like, you have animal
• 52:13
  paw pads on the palms of your hands, what would you think the associated
• 52:22
  power would be to that, like manifestation of the paw pad. And I'm
• 52:31
  not like saying that I dislike this. I'm saying that it feels like there
• 52:39
  was a much different sort of ability like appearance and name, like a different
• 52:47
  devil fruit name that would have gone better with this, the pawpaw fruit.
• 52:55
  And then it being like I displace air and create this like force in that's
• 53:05
  not doing it for me. It's they don't go together, you know what
• 53:14
  I'm saying. Like for me, when I think of pawads, I think
• 53:21
  of quiet. I think of an animal that's able to sneak, And it
• 53:28
  would be like if you had this ability that you could basically become soundless,
• 53:35
  and if especially if these appeared on your feet, that you would be able
• 53:39
  to like sneak up on people. So his ability to move really quickly.
• 53:45
  That would work for me because it's a much more exaggerated version of what I'm
• 53:52
  describing of just being able to like get around an enemy before they can notice
• 53:58
  you. But the pushing air at in this way, this doesn't feel like
• 54:07
  it goes for me. I find it bizarre. So at this point he
• 54:15
  starts stomping on the ground in a very sumo wrestler type style, and he
• 54:22
  says, I don't believe in mercy and does the paw cannon and he starts
• 54:25
  sending out what looks like bubbles and we see a real big one later,
• 54:35
  bubbles that are shaped like paws, and there's like tons of them flying pass
• 54:42
  or like cannonballs, and he's dodging all of them, gets right up against
• 54:46
  Kuma and slashes at Kuma's paw pads with his swords. Those swords land and
• 54:55
  they touch his paw pads and seem to like sink in, but they're really
• 55:00
  just pressing. There's no cutting happening, and he just shoves Zoro back,
• 55:07
  and Zoro is like on the ground. At one point, this dude is
• 55:13
  right behind him, and it's like extremely intimidating because we have seen Zoro get
• 55:21
  beaten before, but it's never felt like it's this effortless you know. It's
• 55:28
  always seemed like he gave them a pretty good run for their money, and
• 55:30
  by the time they started to really beat him, it was because he was
• 55:37
  giving them more of a fight than they expected, and they finally decide to
• 55:40
  pull out all the stops. But this is Zoro getting beaten with this guy
• 55:45
  at like base level energy output. There's hardly any effort, you know.
• 55:53
  So this is when Sangi flies forward and he kicks Kuma in the face,
• 56:01
  and of course on the sides, we've got us up and Chopper delighted.
• 56:07
  What a badass he landed a kick straight to the face, and really just
• 56:13
  thinking, here goes Sangi saving the day. And then Sangi falls to the
• 56:22
  ground, clinging to his leg, crying, and I think he like either
• 56:28
  broke his leg or just really hurt it. But I'll tell you what,
• 56:35
  I don't think I remember any time where Sangie's had an injury to one of
• 56:39
  his fighting legs. We've had, sorry, it isn't an appearance of my
• 56:45
  little guy over here, bless him. We've had Sanji be taken out for
• 56:51
  the count. You know, he's definitely been sidelined but I've never seen the
• 56:57
  means by which he like fights fucked up for him like this, and I
• 57:04
  really found myself upset by it. It's almost as bad as like when one
• 57:09
  of Zoro's swords gets like broken into pieces. I would say worse because it's
• 57:15
  a physical thing as well. You could just go buy another sword, but
• 57:17
  if you really fucked your leg up, you gotta like heal that, which
• 57:21
  is a pain in the ass. Let's see Sarah. Him says, I
• 57:27
  get the feeling this was more created to fit in with giving Kuma a bare
• 57:30
  esthetic while also giving him this kind of op power. Gus says, Yeah,
• 57:36
  it's a pretty loose connection. There's probably some Japanese on amanopia that connects
• 57:39
  to flecting concept with pause. Maybe it's meant to be that pap pads are
• 57:44
  so soft that everything just slips off, like Alvida's fruit or something. I'm
• 57:49
  not sure. Maybe maybe yeah, I mean, I'll be honest, I
• 57:58
  really thought I was going to see some claws as well. Like you guys
• 58:01
  have mentioned about how his name means bear, and I maybe that is coming,
• 58:07
  because we definitely by the end of this episode haven't seen everything this guy
• 58:10
  can do. But so far it's just the paw pads. And I also
• 58:17
  sort of wanted the paw pads to look a little bit more bearish, because
• 58:23
  there's like a particular look to that kind of and they're just perfectly round circles,
• 58:30
  and I, you know, it looks so cute. See it just
• 58:32
  does. The design reminds me of the button covers for the Nintendo Switch.
• 58:40
  So many people have like those button covers, and that was what I kept
• 58:45
  thinking of over and over again throughout this. So yeah, everybody attempts their
• 58:52
  assaults. He is not impressed with absolutely any of them. And finally he's
• 58:58
  like, I've been told to kill everybody on this island, So here we
• 59:01
  go, and he begins to do this weird thing. He's holding his hands
• 59:07
  out and there's this massive bubble of a pawprint in the air, and he's
• 59:13
  sort of pulsing at it with his hands, and as he does this,
• 59:16
  it gets smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller until it is between his hands.
• 59:22
  It had been the size of a pretty good sized house. And eventually
• 59:29
  he compresses the air so far down that it's like a glowing ball, like
• 59:35
  a baseball size, and Robin is like, oh, so what he's doing
• 59:43
  is he's compressing this air down so that when he eventually releases it, it's
• 59:46
  just going to explode like a bomb. And everybody when they hear the word
• 59:52
  bomb understandably begins to freak out. And he stops after he's got his weapon
• 1:00:00
  in place, and he says, so, I've changed my mind. I
• 1:00:06
  am going to spare all of your lives as long as you give me Lufy's
• 1:00:13
  head, which of course nobody is going to be willing to do, at
• 1:00:17
  least from the straw hats. I'm not sure if like some guy on the
• 1:00:22
  sidelines isn't going to say, come on, guys, let's go cut his
• 1:00:25
  head off kind of thing, you know. But he puts this forth and
• 1:00:34
  is like, if you don't agree, then yeah, I'm going to release
• 1:00:37
  this and the whole place is going to blow up. So that's the deal
• 1:00:43
  you've got going for you. If I go back with him, that's all
• 1:00:49
  they're going to need. That's like, you know, he's really their main
• 1:00:52
  enemy here, and I think that would be good enough for the world government.
• 1:00:59
  So there's this long pause where we go from face to face and finally
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  they're all just like, no, we're not doing that. We're not going
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  to betray our own captain, get fucked, and he says this was your
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  choice as he releases the power from between his hands, and it's a pretty
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  dramatic moment. You watch it expand in the air. I expected this to
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  happen a lot faster, and it's like slow mode for sure. We get
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  the animation of everybody that's like really heavily shadowed and much more saturated in color.
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  And then he says, now suffer the ursa shock, and we see
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  the explosion happen, and it's so funny because the way it's cut off,
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  it looks for all the world like a Mickey mouse head. It just does.
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  It's like a sphere, and you see like the too far to the
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  right and left those like toe prints, but the middle ones are cut off
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  by the top of the screed, so it just looks like this massive like
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  Epcot Center sort of symbol. It's weird. And then this light and we
• 1:02:20
  see everybody being thrown back, buildings being leveled, people and trees being like
• 1:02:27
  thrown all over the place because you know, reminder, it's an island or
• 1:02:31
  it's not an it's a ship, which I keep forgetting because it's just fucking
• 1:02:37
  feels like an island. Of course it does, that's the point of it.
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  And you see the mast go down, like really completely cracked. The
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  entire screen goes white a couple of times. And I don't know what to
• 1:02:57
  think about this, because the sort of sphere of light that comes off it
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  is such that I have to assume his ability innately protects him from the effects
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  of his own powers. But all I could think was that, like he
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  blew up the thing that he was standing on, and what's that gonna you
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  know? So the light dissipates and there's like a blank spot on the ocean.
• 1:03:27
  There's nothing there anymore. Where. What's what's going on? What happened
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  to everybody? Where? Where's the fucking sunny? You know? I know
• 1:03:38
  that, Uh what's her face? She had? Like left? Did she
• 1:03:45
  get to leave with it? Did that happen? I can't even remember how
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  did they get that back? I don't even ah, I've lost track of
• 1:03:53
  so many like parts of the story, you know, But it is a
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  pretty dramatic moment, and I was excited to see him get to use this
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  power. The main thing of course, that it will always come down to
• 1:04:08
  is that I know none of our friends are going to die, So a
• 1:04:12
  part of me is sort of like, so what, because yeah, you
• 1:04:15
  blew up all of thriller bark and that's extremely impressive, But there was really
• 1:04:20
  nobody on there that I cared about that I'm not certain, beyond any doubt
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  is going to be fine. So as much as it's like an impressive thing
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  in the moment, there's no real sense of stakes due to that, and
• 1:04:36
  that's always an issue, you know, It's just kind of something you can't
• 1:04:40
  get around. Oh, Gus, wait, sorry, there's I lost the
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  track here, Saraphim says. Or this is just Oda being Oda, and
• 1:04:54
  none of us are the right type of crazy for it to make sense.
• 1:04:57
  People have done the math, and that attack a our minimum would have the
• 1:05:00
  explosive force of two tons of TNT. How would they have done the math?
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  What is there to even start with regarding math? On that, Gus
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  says. Kuma erased Pirona before she could take the sunny. Remember, I
• 1:05:19
  don't I remember her disappearing, I guess, and I was I think,
• 1:05:28
  I says something about maybe that's where he sent her when she asked where she
• 1:05:30
  would want to go for a vacation. So I guess I vaguely do so
• 1:05:36
  the sunny was there, So the sunny has to have been destroyed, right,
• 1:05:42
  And I'm assuming it's not. Again is the thing because plot armor,
• 1:05:48
  So what happened to it? Because it's truly a blank spot, And I
• 1:05:57
  guess that like once the camera closes in a little bit, we'll start to
• 1:06:00
  see some debris or maybe not. Maybe the point of the fact that he
• 1:06:06
  like erased Pirona, maybe this is sending everybody somewhere else and it's not.
• 1:06:13
  I mean, we saw things getting destroyed, but maybe there's another aspect to
• 1:06:17
  it. I don't know. It's just a really weird moment because a big
• 1:06:23
  part of me is like excited that we got to see it and impressed with
• 1:06:29
  it, and then another part of me is like, but I know that
• 1:06:30
  wasn't enough to kill our guys. And if it doesn't even kill the people
• 1:06:34
  that are like standing closest to him, how powerful can it really be?
• 1:06:40
  Sarah him says, calculate the volume of air it started with and work out
• 1:06:44
  the amount of energy compressing it. I got so, but they have to,
• 1:06:47
  like wildly guess the volume of air, because nothing in this universe is
• 1:06:54
  proportional to anything that you know, Like even he is just in terms of
• 1:07:00
  sheer size eight times the size of any of our friends who are normal sized.
• 1:07:06
  I would guess. I really wonder if it's like, when you get
• 1:07:14
  to be a devil fruit user of a certain age, do you just start
• 1:07:17
  to grow? Because all of these guys are inhumanly large, and I've been
• 1:07:26
  sort of like treating it as if they're an entire different race of people,
• 1:07:30
  to be honest, and they were given the devil fruits they were because of
• 1:07:34
  their size, which would make them more intimidating and effective weapons. But now
• 1:07:40
  I'm starting to be like, maybe it's the other way around. Maybe the
• 1:07:43
  devil fruit just makes you fucking expand and grow enormous, which would be hilarious
• 1:07:48
  if we got to see Lufy be this size eventually one day. All Right,
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  I've really got to wrap up, But thank you guys so much for
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  hanging out with me. I appreciate you a lot and appreciate your lexibility with
• 1:08:00
  me having a reschedule, and I hope you're enjoying the content. Until next
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  time, to Loo motherfucker's That was an unspoiled network podcast.