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Living with Purpose w/ Greg Dosmann · Something Extra

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  Greg Dosmann: I really truly believe that you view life as a puzzle, and and faith
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  Greg Dosmann: has to be that centerpiece of the puzzle that everything, you know, your
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  Greg Dosmann: love for for family, your love for friends, and even your love for foes,
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  Greg Dosmann: and then how you use your finances, your fitness, and your things you do
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  Greg Dosmann: for fun.
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  Greg Dosmann: Applying truth to all that really does provide freedom.
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  Lisa Nichols: It takes something a little more to lead with impact.
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  Lisa Nichols: I'm Lisa Nichols, author of Something Extra, and this podcast
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  Lisa Nichols: was inspired by our daughter, Allie, whose additional chromosome has shaped
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  Lisa Nichols: how I see people in leadership.
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  Lisa Nichols: Our guest today is Greg Doseman, author, speaker, and retired Edward
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  Lisa Nichols: Jones principal partner who spent decades guiding leaders and driving
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  Lisa Nichols: growth.
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  Lisa Nichols: Now focused on inspiring change through storytelling, he joins us to share
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  Lisa Nichols: his insights on life, leadership, and purpose.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well, Greg Doseman, welcome to the Something Extra podcast.
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  Lisa Nichols: I am so excited.
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  Lisa Nichols: You know, I've done over four hundred episodes.
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  Lisa Nichols: Why haven't you been on the podcast before now?
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  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
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  Greg Dosmann: I have no idea.
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  Greg Dosmann: In fact, I I may have little idea why I'm even getting to be
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  Greg Dosmann: on this one now that you tell me four hundred people have preceded me.
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  Greg Dosmann: But, thrilled thrilled and excited to be here, to be sure.
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  Lisa Nichols: Oh, we're gonna have so much fun.
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  Lisa Nichols: And I have to go back.
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  Lisa Nichols: I always love to tell our listeners, Greg, how I meet
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  Lisa Nichols: my guests.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: And we have such a fun story.
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  Lisa Nichols: Do we not?
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  Greg Dosmann: Absolutely...
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  Greg Dosmann: In fact, I jotted a few notes, and that was one of the first
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  Greg Dosmann: things on my how our families met.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: So I'll tell the story or you can tell the story.
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  Lisa Nichols: I'll just tell the story.
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  Lisa Nichols: So your daughter, Aubrey, my daughter, Paige,
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  Lisa Nichols: years ago when they were in sixth grade.
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  Lisa Nichols: And they're in their thirties now, what...
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  Lisa Nichols: They were at Kanakuk .
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  Greg Dosmann: Yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: And they were in the same teepee.
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  Greg Dosmann: Yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: And what they discovered, they said, okay.
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  Lisa Nichols: Wait a minute.
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  Lisa Nichols: We both like ketchup.
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  Lisa Nichols: Our dad's name is Greg, and we live in Chesterfield.
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  Greg Dosmann: Yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: We're destined to be friends.
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  Greg Dosmann: Yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: And they became fast friends.
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  Lisa Nichols: And then Greg and I met you and Sharon.
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  Lisa Nichols: And I tell you, it has been a beautiful
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  Lisa Nichols: friendship ever since.
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  Greg Dosmann: Amen, sister.
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  Greg Dosmann: Well, you know, when you said it, I remember,
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  Greg Dosmann: Aubrey came home and said, dad, I met this girl named Paige, and we're
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  Greg Dosmann: so alike.
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  Greg Dosmann: And then she said, and and both our dads are named Greg, and we
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  Greg Dosmann: both love ketchup.
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  Greg Dosmann: And then she said, freaky.
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  Greg Dosmann: You know?
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  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
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  Greg Dosmann: Like, it was just destiny.
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  Greg Dosmann: But, hey.
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  Greg Dosmann: It was destiny.
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  Greg Dosmann: Here we are twenty five plus years later and still they're different.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: And such good friends.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: So I am so excited about having you on the show.
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  Lisa Nichols: You've got lots of corporate wisdom, that I know we wanna share,
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  Lisa Nichols: but, you know, you got a new chapter in your life that I also
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  Lisa Nichols: want to dig into that I think our listeners are gonna be excited about
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  Lisa Nichols: to hear.
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  Lisa Nichols: But, you know, let...
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  Lisa Nichols: Let's talk about your career a little bit.
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  Lisa Nichols: So you had over thirty years of building this incredible career
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  Lisa Nichols: at Edward Jones.
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  Lisa Nichols: Did you ever imagine that one day now, Greg, you would be a novelist?
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  Greg Dosmann: Never.
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  Greg Dosmann: No.
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  Greg Dosmann: No.
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  Greg Dosmann: I I had thoughts of it literally in my late...
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  Greg Dosmann: Not a novelist, but to write a book.
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  Greg Dosmann: And it's interesting though because, golly, it must have been ten, fifteen
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  Greg Dosmann: years ago.
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  Greg Dosmann: Some of those friends and brothers closest to me said, Doseman, you're a
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  Greg Dosmann: storyteller.
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  Greg Dosmann: You need to tell it as a story.
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  Greg Dosmann: And that was the precipice or the catalyst to switch from writing the
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  Greg Dosmann: seven ways to do life or whatever to to doing it in
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  Greg Dosmann: story.
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  Greg Dosmann: And I am grateful because that's been so much more enjoyable.
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  Greg Dosmann: Hopefully, my hope is more impactful, but we'll see.
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  Lisa Nichols: Impactful.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well, I love this because I read something where you said I was dumb
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  Lisa Nichols: enough to believe and smart enough to do.
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  Greg Dosmann: Yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: Because you had an incredible...
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  Lisa Nichols: You became a principal partner at Edward Jones.
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  Lisa Nichols: You had an incredible career.
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  Lisa Nichols: But where did that mindset come from?
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: I'm dumb enough to believe and smart enough to do.
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  Greg Dosmann: You're you're such a you're such a pro because that was the absolute next
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  Greg Dosmann: point on my notes.
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  Greg Dosmann: So Okay.
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  Greg Dosmann: That's that's amazing.
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  Greg Dosmann: Well done.
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  Greg Dosmann: Well done, girl.
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  Greg Dosmann: No.
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  Greg Dosmann: The story is, I was recruited to play college soccer at Grace
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  Greg Dosmann: College.
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  Greg Dosmann: And the coach, you know, way back when when we had no Internet, no
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  Greg Dosmann: technology of any kind, my buddy, Rusty, and I were recruited to to
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  Greg Dosmann: go to Grace together and play soccer because in high school, we had scored
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  Greg Dosmann: a ton of goals together.
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  Greg Dosmann: We were just a tandem that was really good at scoring goals.
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  Greg Dosmann: So the coach writes us all summer long with a training regimen
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  Greg Dosmann: of what we're supposed to do to to be in shape to report the
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  Greg Dosmann: preseason because first day of preseason season, Monday morning,
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  Greg Dosmann: six AM is what they call the twelve minute run.
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  Greg Dosmann: You had to run twelve...
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  Greg Dosmann: Two miles in under twelve minutes on the soccer field in cleats.
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  Greg Dosmann: And so, of course, being young, dumb, and and arrogant,
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  Greg Dosmann: do you think Rusty or I did any of the training all summer long?
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  Greg Dosmann: Of course not.
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  Lisa Nichols: Probably not.
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  Greg Dosmann: No.
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  Greg Dosmann: We were we were playing summer soccer, and, hey, we were in shape.
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  Greg Dosmann: And we were literally on vacation together up at Big Crystal Lake
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  Greg Dosmann: in Northern Michigan, the week before the, reporting
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  Greg Dosmann: the training on Sunday afternoon.
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  Greg Dosmann: It's Friday afternoon.
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  Greg Dosmann: We're sitting on the lake...
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  Greg Dosmann: On the beach, and we look at each other and go, hey.
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  Greg Dosmann: What do you think about the twelve minute run?
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  Greg Dosmann: I don't know.
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  Greg Dosmann: What do you think about it?
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  Greg Dosmann: So we literally went back to the house, put on some running shoes.
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  Greg Dosmann: He got in his car, and we we mapped out a two mile track
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  Greg Dosmann: on the street.
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  Greg Dosmann: And he had, you might remember this, the old Armitron watch.
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  Greg Dosmann: It was one of the first electronic watches.
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  Greg Dosmann: And he says, ready, set, go, and we take off.
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  Greg Dosmann: And now Rusty was always a way more gifted athlete than I was, and
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  Greg Dosmann: so he got ahead of me real quick.
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  Greg Dosmann: So, I mean, Lisa, I'm pushing as hard as I can the whole time.
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  Greg Dosmann: And as I'm coming to the last fifty, hundred yards, Rusty's standing there at
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  Greg Dosmann: the at the end of the run with his watch out.
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  Greg Dosmann: And as I cross, he hits it.
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  Greg Dosmann: And I said, what did I do?
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  Greg Dosmann: What did I what do?
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  Greg Dosmann: And he says twelve fifty six.
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  Greg Dosmann: Oh.
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  Greg Dosmann: And I was like...
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  Greg Dosmann: I mean...
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  Greg Dosmann: And I thought I pushed as hard as I could.
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  Greg Dosmann: And I was like, oh goodness.
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  Greg Dosmann: I've got...
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  Greg Dosmann: I have to cut a minute off.
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  Greg Dosmann: Now...
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  Greg Dosmann: And I have to tell you, the the
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  Greg Dosmann: the the value of making the run was huge.
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  Greg Dosmann: Because if you didn't make it Monday, you had to run it Tuesday.
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  Greg Dosmann: If you didn't make it Tuesday, Wednesday, you had to do it every day
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  Greg Dosmann: of preseason.
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  Greg Dosmann: Not only that, I was a scholarship athlete.
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  Greg Dosmann: It'd be pretty embarrassing to...
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  Greg Dosmann: You know, it was, like, huge, huge premium on making this run.
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  Greg Dosmann: So I was wise enough not to do anything Saturday or Sunday because I
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  Greg Dosmann: knew I can't change, you know, reality in two days.
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  Greg Dosmann: Show up Monday morning.
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  Greg Dosmann: He pulls us into the corner a little before six AM, and he looks
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  Greg Dosmann: at us, coach Dave Deal.
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  Greg Dosmann: I'm still friends with him today.
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  Greg Dosmann: He, he says, you know, I'm looking at each one of you, and I
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  Greg Dosmann: can tell some of you are physically ready for this run.
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  Greg Dosmann: Then he looks around again.
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  Greg Dosmann: He goes, I can also look around and see some of you aren't physically
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  Greg Dosmann: ready for this run.
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  Greg Dosmann: And he says, but I'm telling you, this run is eighty percent mental.
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  Greg Dosmann: Well, after he said that, I just locked into that.
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  Greg Dosmann: And I'm like, it's eighty...
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  Greg Dosmann: And he sounded like Charlie Brown's teacher after that.
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  Greg Dosmann: It was, wah, wah, wah, wah.
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  Greg Dosmann: Because I was just...
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  Greg Dosmann: It's eighty percent mental.
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  Greg Dosmann: It's eighty percent mental.
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  Greg Dosmann: I'm making this run.
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  Greg Dosmann: So we take off.
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  Greg Dosmann: It was nine laps.
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  Greg Dosmann: I kid you not, Lisa.
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  Greg Dosmann: I get to lap six, and I am in more pain than I've ever
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  Greg Dosmann: been in my life.
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  Greg Dosmann: And, and I literally thought, go down, fake a twisted ankle,
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  Greg Dosmann: do something, do anything to get out of this pain.
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  Greg Dosmann: You know?
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  Greg Dosmann: And then something clicked.
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  Greg Dosmann: It was like something clicked that said, this is the eighty percent mental part.
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  Greg Dosmann: And I just, in my mind, said, no.
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  Greg Dosmann: I'm making it.
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  Greg Dosmann: I don't care.
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  Greg Dosmann: I'm making this run.
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  Greg Dosmann: I made it through lap seven, made it through lap eight, came around for
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  Greg Dosmann: lap nine.
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  Greg Dosmann: Assistant coach Paul Henning was on the corner with a stopwatch, and he shouts,
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  Greg Dosmann: you got a minute twenty four.
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  Greg Dosmann: You can make it.
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  Greg Dosmann: Well, the first thought was I ran the first lap at a minute twenty
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  Greg Dosmann: six.
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  Greg Dosmann: So now I'm like, you know, my mind goes great.
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  Greg Dosmann: You gotta run the last lap faster in the first, but I just said
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  Greg Dosmann: I'm gonna make it.
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  Greg Dosmann: I took off.
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  Greg Dosmann: I came around the final hundred yards, and coach Henning's
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  Greg Dosmann: down there going nineteen, eighteen.
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  Greg Dosmann: And, I mean, I was spent, but I somehow found another kick and just
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  Greg Dosmann: everything I had.
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  Greg Dosmann: And about with fifty yards to go, I was like, wait.
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  Greg Dosmann: Do I hear a donkey?
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  Greg Dosmann: And what I was hearing was, and then I realized it was me.
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  Greg Dosmann: I was like...
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  Greg Dosmann: And as I'm running, I'm going, oh my goodness.
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  Greg Dosmann: I sound like a donkey.
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  Greg Dosmann: But I said, I don't care.
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  Greg Dosmann: And I crossed the line at eleven fifty six.
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  Lisa Nichols: My goodness.
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  Lisa Nichols: Four minute...
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  Lisa Nichols: Four seconds to spare.
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  Greg Dosmann: Four seconds to spare.
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  Greg Dosmann: And it just, you know, it it hit me that, you know,
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  Greg Dosmann: I don't know if it hit me exactly right then, but I realized that
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  Greg Dosmann: so much of life is about being dumb enough to believe
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  Greg Dosmann: a statement like it's eighty percent mental, but then smart enough
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  Greg Dosmann: to take the pain, do the work, do what's necessary to make it happen.
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  Greg Dosmann: And so when Edwards...
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  Greg Dosmann: When I heard of the Edward Jones opportunity, and they said go go meet
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  Greg Dosmann: a thousand people face to face, go meet, five hundred of them a second
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  Greg Dosmann: time, Try to solve a financial need for them.
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  Greg Dosmann: Do this over and over and over again.
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  Greg Dosmann: You're gonna have a successful career as a financial adviser.
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  Greg Dosmann: I was like, alright.
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  Greg Dosmann: I'm dumb enough to believe that.
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  Greg Dosmann: So I did it.
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  Lisa Nichols: You did it.
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  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
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  Greg Dosmann: And then it was, you know, hey.
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  Greg Dosmann: You know, if you get back to the firm, act like a partner, etcetera,
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  Greg Dosmann: etcetera.
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  Greg Dosmann: And and so I was dumb enough to believe that whole story too.
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  Greg Dosmann: And, you know, as you point out, twenty three...
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  Greg Dosmann: Well, ten years as an adviser and twenty three as a principal, I've never
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  Greg Dosmann: forgotten that, and I think it's a really, you know, in fact,
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  Greg Dosmann: a friend the other day, texted me.
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  Greg Dosmann: It's all about DEBSED , d e b s e d.
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  Greg Dosmann: Dumb enough to believe, smart enough to do.
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  Lisa Nichols: I love that.
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  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
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  Greg Dosmann: Definitely.
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  Lisa Nichols: I loved it.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: You must have said that to him at some point.
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  Greg Dosmann: Absolutely.
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  Greg Dosmann: Well, it's it's a good friend of ours, Zach Clark.
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  Greg Dosmann: You know you know
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: Oh, of course.
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  Lisa Nichols: I know Zach.
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  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: Oh, gosh.
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  Lisa Nichols: That is so awesome.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well, it definitely worked out for you.
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean, and just so much is mental.
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  Lisa Nichols: It is true.
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  Lisa Nichols: But, you know, there's so much in that story because the preparation
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  Lisa Nichols: is so important, Greg.
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  Lisa Nichols: I bet you that taught you a lesson about preparing.
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  Greg Dosmann: Hundred percent.
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  Greg Dosmann: I never showed up.
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  Greg Dosmann: Presentation.
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  Greg Dosmann: The next year, I...
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  Greg Dosmann: Next year, I cruised, to the run at eleven forty five without
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  Greg Dosmann: any, you know, any any issues at all.
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  Greg Dosmann: But, you know, you make a great point.
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  Greg Dosmann: I mean, that was a huge lesson, like, do not show up.
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  Greg Dosmann: I I, you know, I vowed to myself I was never gonna do that
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  Greg Dosmann: again.
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  Greg Dosmann: Mhmm.
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  Greg Dosmann: You know, I was glad I did it.
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  Greg Dosmann: Grateful that I had the opportunity to do it and and learn what I
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  Greg Dosmann: learned, but it was lesson learned, never doing that again.
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  Greg Dosmann: And I do think there's a a real true spiritual tie there.
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  Greg Dosmann: It's faith with works.
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  Greg Dosmann: You know, James teaches us that.
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  Greg Dosmann: You know, you
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  Lisa Nichols: That's right.
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  Greg Dosmann: You have to have faith, but you also need to have works combined with
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  Greg Dosmann: it.
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  Greg Dosmann: And that's that's a very rudimentary example of that.
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  Greg Dosmann: But it...
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  Greg Dosmann: But it...
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  Greg Dosmann: It's it's singed in my brain, if you will.
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  Lisa Nichols: I love that.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: Faith without works is dead.
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  Lisa Nichols: Correct.
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean, faith is, you know, dead if you don't see the fruit.
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  Lisa Nichols: Right?
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  Greg Dosmann: Hundred percent.
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  Lisa Nichols: So so good.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well, let me ask you this.
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  Lisa Nichols: So we...
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  Lisa Nichols: I think you retire...
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  Lisa Nichols: You retired in twenty nineteen, I think.
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  Greg Dosmann: December of nineteen.
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  Greg Dosmann: Yep.
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  Lisa Nichols: Right before the the shutdown.
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  Greg Dosmann: Crazy.
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  Lisa Nichols: It was crazy.
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  Lisa Nichols: But, you know, after you retired, you'd had this illustrious career.
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  Lisa Nichols: What made you think, I'm not done yet.
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  Lisa Nichols: God's not done with me yet.
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  Lisa Nichols: And I know, you know...
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean, I know you love to go off, and you did that, but
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  Lisa Nichols: you went on to do some real estate investment.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: And, you know, you're not done yet.
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  Greg Dosmann: No.
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  Greg Dosmann: It's...
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  Greg Dosmann: Thank you for asking that.
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  Greg Dosmann: And and and candidly, probably in the last twenty
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  Greg Dosmann: four months, I feel like I've really kind of, you know, if in a
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  Greg Dosmann: way finally heard from God or was listening, enough and open
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  Greg Dosmann: enough to hear what is it that he really has for me.
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  Greg Dosmann: You know, you...
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  Greg Dosmann: I think you know I I was, I enrolled in the the halftime institute
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  Greg Dosmann: at the beginning of nineteen, which was the whole idea to help you figure
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  Greg Dosmann: out what the second half is about.
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  Greg Dosmann: And me being a pragmatist, I've I've said many times, I said, let's be
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  Greg Dosmann: honest.
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  Greg Dosmann: I'm not in the second half.
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  Greg Dosmann: I'm probably in the fourth quarter.
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  Greg Dosmann: But that's kind, you know, to call it halftime.
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  Greg Dosmann: But,
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  Lisa Nichols: you
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  Greg Dosmann: know, I did do, you know, private equity.
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  Greg Dosmann: I did do a bunch of real estate stuff.
• 13:00
  Greg Dosmann: I did, you know, got, you know, got to play golf more, etcetera,
• 13:04
  Greg Dosmann: etcetera.
• 13:04
  Greg Dosmann: But candidly, there was that smoldering discontent to
• 13:08
  Greg Dosmann: say, this isn't what it's about.
• 13:11
  Greg Dosmann: And so it was interesting.
• 13:13
  Greg Dosmann: I did a silent retreat, which I would recommend for everyone,
• 13:17
  Greg Dosmann: with a caution.
• 13:18
  Greg Dosmann: Don't go, on a silent retreat for two or three days
• 13:23
  Greg Dosmann: asking God to speak and not expect to hear it, because you will.
• 13:27
  Greg Dosmann: And then the question is, what are you gonna do with it?
• 13:29
  Greg Dosmann: And, actually, two things came out of that silent retreat.
• 13:32
  Greg Dosmann: One, candidly, from a personal financial standpoint,
• 13:36
  Greg Dosmann: was start gifting to your family now.
• 13:38
  Greg Dosmann: And so I said, okay.
• 13:39
  Greg Dosmann: You know?
• 13:40
  Greg Dosmann: And when I was, I would have been maybe sixty, maybe
• 13:44
  Greg Dosmann: not even sixty yet.
• 13:45
  Greg Dosmann: But anyway, no.
• 13:46
  Greg Dosmann: I wasn't.
• 13:47
  Greg Dosmann: And as an adviser, I always thought you don't have clients gift until
• 13:51
  Greg Dosmann: they're in their seventies, but it was clear.
• 13:53
  Greg Dosmann: You need to start gifting now.
• 13:55
  Greg Dosmann: And then the second thing, the the story...
• 13:57
  Greg Dosmann: I always have a story.
• 13:59
  Greg Dosmann: We're in Colorado.
• 14:00
  Greg Dosmann: They had, free bikes you could use, and so I took a bike and
• 14:04
  Greg Dosmann: rode to the end of this trail, locked the bike up, and I was
• 14:07
  Greg Dosmann: gonna find the perfect serene, you know, spot in the mountains to
• 14:11
  Greg Dosmann: hear from God.
• 14:12
  Greg Dosmann: And I kept hiking and hiking down this trail, and I kept running into
• 14:15
  Greg Dosmann: mountain climbers, and I'd run into mountain bikers and and hike...
• 14:18
  Greg Dosmann: And everywhere, I kept running into people.
• 14:20
  Greg Dosmann: And finally, I was like, I'm gonna spend all day hiking if I don't
• 14:23
  Greg Dosmann: stop.
• 14:24
  Greg Dosmann: So I finally said, okay.
• 14:25
  Greg Dosmann: Here's a good spot.
• 14:26
  Greg Dosmann: I sat down, and I'm looking out over the hotel we were staying at
• 14:31
  Greg Dosmann: and the highway.
• 14:33
  Greg Dosmann: And that was part of the message was God was...
• 14:36
  Greg Dosmann: In my...
• 14:36
  Greg Dosmann: What I feel like I heard was, hey.
• 14:38
  Greg Dosmann: You're supposed to still be engaged.
• 14:40
  Greg Dosmann: You're supposed to be reaching out, to communicate to masses.
• 14:44
  Greg Dosmann: So, again...
• 14:46
  Greg Dosmann: And I'm in the process, frankly, of decoupling from private
• 14:50
  Greg Dosmann: equity investing, from real estate investing, because
• 14:55
  Greg Dosmann: I believe my purpose now is to use words
• 14:59
  Greg Dosmann: written and spoken to engage and inspire the next generation.
• 15:02
  Greg Dosmann: And so everything now funnels through that grid.
• 15:05
  Greg Dosmann: And if it's not something that will help me use words written and spoken,
• 15:10
  Greg Dosmann: engage and inspire the next generation for the kingdom, I say no.
• 15:13
  Lisa Nichols: You don't need to be doing that.
• 15:14
  Greg Dosmann: I had a I had a private equity call the other day, and I
• 15:17
  Greg Dosmann: told them...
• 15:18
  Greg Dosmann: I said, look.
• 15:18
  Greg Dosmann: You know, I I I appreciate what you're doing.
• 15:20
  Greg Dosmann: I made a lot of calls myself in my career, especially as an FA.
• 15:24
  Greg Dosmann: But I said, I am wasting your time because you could tell me this
• 15:27
  Greg Dosmann: is a guaranteed hundred percent return, and I'm not interested.
• 15:32
  Greg Dosmann: Because I don't wanna be dis...
• 15:34
  Greg Dosmann: I know those types of things take more effort energy than I'm willing
• 15:38
  Greg Dosmann: to give, and I wanna give a hundred percent of my effort and energy,
• 15:42
  Greg Dosmann: to that purpose.
• 15:43
  Lisa Nichols: Right.
• 15:44
  Lisa Nichols: You know, what a gift.
• 15:45
  Lisa Nichols: Right, Greg?
• 15:46
  Lisa Nichols: You really have that clarity
• 15:48
  Greg Dosmann: The clarity.
• 15:49
  Greg Dosmann: Yes.
• 15:49
  Lisa Nichols: On your purpose, but I heard a few things from you.
• 15:53
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, you took the time to get a loan
• 15:57
  Greg Dosmann: Yes.
• 15:57
  Lisa Nichols: Number one, with your silent retreat.
• 16:00
  Lisa Nichols: And to me...
• 16:02
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, faith is everything for us
• 16:04
  Greg Dosmann: to make sure.
• 16:05
  Greg Dosmann: Hundred percent.
• 16:06
  Lisa Nichols: And I'm never going to be living out my
• 16:11
  Lisa Nichols: true purpose without the wisdom of God.
• 16:14
  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
• 16:15
  Greg Dosmann: That's just...
• 16:16
  Lisa Nichols: That's it.
• 16:17
  Lisa Nichols: You know?
• 16:17
  Lisa Nichols: Short and simple.
• 16:18
  Lisa Nichols: You know?
• 16:19
  Greg Dosmann: Hundred percent.
• 16:20
  Lisa Nichols: And so, like, leaning in and listening to him and talking to him about
• 16:24
  Lisa Nichols: it, I think, I just heard lots there.
• 16:27
  Lisa Nichols: So, yeah, I I love, I love the whole thing
• 16:31
  Lisa Nichols: about storytelling, but let's let's get into
• 16:36
  Lisa Nichols: the boy from Sherwood Crescent.
• 16:37
  Lisa Nichols: And I've got lots of questions for you here.
• 16:40
  Lisa Nichols: I would love for you to tell us the story behind this, and we
• 16:43
  Lisa Nichols: are, right now, the book is scheduled to come out probably
• 16:47
  Lisa Nichols: in November.
• 16:48
  Greg Dosmann: Correct.
• 16:50
  Lisa Nichols: So this will probably...
• 16:51
  Lisa Nichols: This episode will probably launch a little bit before the book comes out, but
• 16:55
  Lisa Nichols: I really want our listeners to hear Greg's heart.
• 16:58
  Lisa Nichols: And when that book comes out, looks like make it a bestseller.
• 17:01
  Lisa Nichols: So, you know...
• 17:03
  Lisa Nichols: But where where did the story come from?
• 17:05
  Lisa Nichols: I know the story was inside of you for a long time.
• 17:07
  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
• 17:08
  Greg Dosmann: I mean, thanks for asking.
• 17:09
  Greg Dosmann: It was probably, thinking back,
• 17:13
  Greg Dosmann: a good twenty five if if...
• 17:15
  Greg Dosmann: Somewhere between twenty five and thirty years ago.
• 17:18
  Greg Dosmann: I had this story, you know, brewing inside of me.
• 17:21
  Greg Dosmann: You know, earlier I mentioned, you know, even in my twenties, I thought I'm
• 17:24
  Greg Dosmann: gonna write a book, and I jotted down notes, and I would save resources.
• 17:28
  Greg Dosmann: I have files and files of stuff.
• 17:30
  Greg Dosmann: And then like I say, it was probably...
• 17:34
  Greg Dosmann: Maybe it was twenty years ago where I was challenged by a dear friend
• 17:37
  Greg Dosmann: and brother to say, Dos, you know, you're a storyteller.
• 17:41
  Greg Dosmann: Tell like a story.
• 17:42
  Greg Dosmann: And, that began that part of the process, and I'll never forget,
• 17:47
  Greg Dosmann: I was, you know, back in the the day I was the area leader
• 17:51
  Greg Dosmann: for the west.
• 17:51
  Greg Dosmann: So I had the twelve most western states.
• 17:53
  Greg Dosmann: You know, I was on the road seventy, eighty percent of the time in
• 17:56
  Greg Dosmann: airplanes.
• 17:57
  Greg Dosmann: And I was either flying back from Honolulu or...
• 18:00
  Greg Dosmann: Because Hawaii and Alaska were part of my territory.
• 18:03
  Greg Dosmann: I was flying back from either Honolulu...
• 18:06
  Greg Dosmann: I think it was Honolulu because it was a very, very long flight.
• 18:09
  Greg Dosmann: And I had been upgraded, so I'm in first class.
• 18:12
  Greg Dosmann: And the story was just coming to me.
• 18:14
  Greg Dosmann: So I had my iPad out.
• 18:16
  Greg Dosmann: And I mean, Lisa, I was typing away for two, two and a half
• 18:19
  Greg Dosmann: hours.
• 18:19
  Greg Dosmann: Just do do do do do.
• 18:20
  Greg Dosmann: Just going at it, going at it.
• 18:22
  Greg Dosmann: And finally, they say, hey.
• 18:23
  Greg Dosmann: It's time to...
• 18:24
  Greg Dosmann: You know, we're in the final approach.
• 18:26
  Greg Dosmann: Please put up your equipment, blah blah blah.
• 18:28
  Greg Dosmann: So I do all that, and I said to myself, gosh, I was a
• 18:30
  Greg Dosmann: real jerk.
• 18:31
  Greg Dosmann: I didn't say boo to the guy next to me.
• 18:33
  Greg Dosmann: And, you know, you've traveled enough.
• 18:35
  Greg Dosmann: You know the obligatory safe question.
• 18:37
  Greg Dosmann: I said, so are you coming to Saint Louis for work, or is Saint
• 18:40
  Greg Dosmann: Louis home?
• 18:40
  Greg Dosmann: You know?
• 18:41
  Greg Dosmann: And and he goes, I'm coming for work.
• 18:44
  Greg Dosmann: And then he goes, dude, please tell me you're an author.
• 18:48
  Greg Dosmann: Well, remember, this is twenty five years ago.
• 18:51
  Greg Dosmann: I'm a partner at Jones.
• 18:52
  Greg Dosmann: I'm not a Sure.
• 18:53
  Greg Dosmann: I, you know, I have imposter syndrome now.
• 18:55
  Greg Dosmann: I really had it then.
• 18:57
  Greg Dosmann: And I was like, well, and then before I could even answer, I
• 19:01
  Greg Dosmann: was hedging.
• 19:02
  Greg Dosmann: He looks at me and goes, because all I was thinking is I don't
• 19:04
  Greg Dosmann: wanna be the poor SOB getting that email.
• 19:09
  Lisa Nichols: That's funny.
• 19:10
  Greg Dosmann: Because he saw, you know, he he saw the two and a half hour
• 19:13
  Greg Dosmann: hour email.
• 19:15
  Greg Dosmann: So that's...
• 19:16
  Greg Dosmann: You know, and and candidly, the,
• 19:19
  Greg Dosmann: the story was always to me about a boy
• 19:24
  Greg Dosmann: who was orphaned, but raised by just a God
• 19:28
  Greg Dosmann: fearing, fierce grandmother,
• 19:32
  Greg Dosmann: that was just, you know, amazing.
• 19:34
  Greg Dosmann: Because I had a God fearing, fierce, amazing grandmother
• 19:38
  Greg Dosmann: in my life, mamaw.
• 19:40
  Greg Dosmann: In fact, I even get a little emotional just mentioning her.
• 19:43
  Greg Dosmann: She was just an amazing woman of faith.
• 19:47
  Greg Dosmann: Give you a little bit more about her, I didn't know until
• 19:51
  Greg Dosmann: after college that my mamaw was illiterate because she
• 19:55
  Greg Dosmann: grew up literally as a coal miner's daughter in Kentucky, and had to
• 19:59
  Greg Dosmann: drop out of school at age eight to help the family, you know, with
• 20:03
  Greg Dosmann: the chores and everything.
• 20:05
  Greg Dosmann: But my mom told the story that, my
• 20:09
  Greg Dosmann: papa used to read the Bible to her daily.
• 20:14
  Greg Dosmann: And then when he died, my mom said, you would find mamma in the
• 20:18
  Greg Dosmann: morning with her cup of coffee, the Bible open on her lap, and
• 20:22
  Greg Dosmann: her hands on the scripture.
• 20:24
  Greg Dosmann: And then she turned the page and put her...
• 20:25
  Greg Dosmann: Because she believed that the word would reach her heart.
• 20:29
  Lisa Nichols: Would reach her heart.
• 20:30
  Lisa Nichols: Oh.
• 20:30
  Greg Dosmann: And if you knew her, you wouldn't doubt that God granted that,
• 20:34
  Greg Dosmann: that, that commitment on her part.
• 20:37
  Greg Dosmann: But anyway, the story was was rooted really in that.
• 20:42
  Greg Dosmann: You know?
• 20:42
  Greg Dosmann: That I wanted, you know, people to hear a story
• 20:47
  Greg Dosmann: of how a faithful mother, a faithful grandmother
• 20:51
  Greg Dosmann: can really impact a life.
• 20:53
  Greg Dosmann: And the other big thread is what's meant for evil,
• 20:57
  Greg Dosmann: God can and will use for good, especially when we find the way to
• 21:01
  Greg Dosmann: love through it.
• 21:03
  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
• 21:03
  Greg Dosmann: So that...
• 21:04
  Greg Dosmann: I don't know if that's what you're asking, but that's...
• 21:06
  Lisa Nichols: No.
• 21:06
  Lisa Nichols: That's I love that.
• 21:08
  Lisa Nichols: And, you know, I wish I'd known your grandmother.
• 21:10
  Greg Dosmann: Oh, I...
• 21:11
  Greg Dosmann: You woulda loved her.
• 21:12
  Greg Dosmann: You woulda just loved her.
• 21:13
  Lisa Nichols: Just...
• 21:13
  Lisa Nichols: Oh my goodness.
• 21:18
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 21:18
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 21:19
  Lisa Nichols: I've got a lot of questions about your grandmother, but I think you...
• 21:21
  Lisa Nichols: Well, So, like, your grandmother was illiterate, but would she just talk
• 21:26
  Lisa Nichols: to you about faith?
• 21:26
  Lisa Nichols: Would she talk to you about what God had done in her life, Greg?
• 21:29
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, how would you...
• 21:30
  Greg Dosmann: It was it was just simple things, Lisa.
• 21:32
  Greg Dosmann: Like, it was simple things not only that she said, but that,
• 21:37
  Greg Dosmann: my mom shared.
• 21:38
  Greg Dosmann: You know?
• 21:38
  Greg Dosmann: But, you know, for me as a little boy, she was just present.
• 21:42
  Greg Dosmann: You know?
• 21:42
  Greg Dosmann: I used to love to just go sit, and we'd sit on the couch
• 21:44
  Greg Dosmann: together.
• 21:45
  Greg Dosmann: And I would pull the skin on her hand and say, mama, your, and
• 21:50
  Greg Dosmann: she goes, oh, I've got old skin.
• 21:51
  Greg Dosmann: You know, I've got old skin.
• 21:53
  Greg Dosmann: Mama's got old skin.
• 21:54
  Greg Dosmann: And then, like, my mom would tell stories like, mama,
• 21:59
  Greg Dosmann: you know, she had seven sisters.
• 22:01
  Greg Dosmann: And she said, you know, we'd go before mama and say, mama, am I
• 22:04
  Greg Dosmann: pretty?
• 22:05
  Greg Dosmann: And she'd say, pretty is as pretty does, honey.
• 22:07
  Greg Dosmann: Pretty is as pretty does.
• 22:09
  Greg Dosmann: And, you know, little things like that.
• 22:12
  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
• 22:12
  Greg Dosmann: You know, she used to say, you know, we're not rich, but, clean
• 22:16
  Greg Dosmann: doesn't take a lot of money.
• 22:17
  Greg Dosmann: Soap is cheap.
• 22:19
  Greg Dosmann: You know, so we still stay clean.
• 22:21
  Greg Dosmann: You know, if you weren't feeling good, she'd say, well, just get up and
• 22:24
  Greg Dosmann: do something.
• 22:25
  Greg Dosmann: You know, get up and and straighten a pile of something.
• 22:28
  Greg Dosmann: Just do something, and you know what?
• 22:30
  Greg Dosmann: You're gonna start feeling better.
• 22:31
  Lisa Nichols: You're gonna start feeling
• 22:32
  Greg Dosmann: better.
• 22:33
  Greg Dosmann: Wow.
• 22:34
  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
• 22:34
  Greg Dosmann: And, you know, I remember walking to the store with her, you
• 22:38
  Greg Dosmann: know, just like I said, just a sweet, sweet presence
• 22:43
  Greg Dosmann: and just, she embodied faith.
• 22:46
  Greg Dosmann: You know?
• 22:46
  Greg Dosmann: I mean, it it wasn't like she was constantly open the scriptures
• 22:50
  Greg Dosmann: or quoting scriptures to me, but in her presence, you
• 22:54
  Greg Dosmann: knew you were loved, and loved dearly and deeply.
• 22:58
  Greg Dosmann: You know?
• 22:58
  Lisa Nichols: And And that's huge.
• 23:00
  Lisa Nichols: Impactful.
• 23:01
  Greg Dosmann: So impactful.
• 23:02
  Lisa Nichols: So impactful.
• 23:03
  Lisa Nichols: Knowing...
• 23:04
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 23:05
  Lisa Nichols: I...
• 23:05
  Lisa Nichols: I've often said that.
• 23:07
  Lisa Nichols: Like, you know, when people ask me about children, and I've not done this
• 23:10
  Lisa Nichols: perfectly, but I'm like, you know, your kids need to know that they are
• 23:14
  Lisa Nichols: loved no matter what.
• 23:15
  Greg Dosmann: No matter what.
• 23:16
  Lisa Nichols: You know?
• 23:17
  Lisa Nichols: No matter what, that you're in their corner, you know, no matter what they
• 23:21
  Lisa Nichols: do, you know, because it does.
• 23:23
  Lisa Nichols: It just gives you so much, security
• 23:26
  Greg Dosmann: Yes.
• 23:27
  Lisa Nichols: And...
• 23:28
  Lisa Nichols: Right?
• 23:28
  Lisa Nichols: Well,
• 23:30
  Greg Dosmann: it's so funny you say that because, you know, Zach and I talk
• 23:34
  Greg Dosmann: all the time.
• 23:34
  Greg Dosmann: We're like, we all stink at parenting.
• 23:37
  Greg Dosmann: Let's be honest.
• 23:37
  Greg Dosmann: You know, nobody's good at it.
• 23:39
  Greg Dosmann: You know?
• 23:39
  Lisa Nichols: Nobody's good at it.
• 23:40
  Lisa Nichols: Right.
• 23:41
  Greg Dosmann: I told my kids, I go, you're gonna stink at it too.
• 23:43
  Greg Dosmann: I know I did.
• 23:44
  Greg Dosmann: You know?
• 23:44
  Lisa Nichols: Right.
• 23:45
  Greg Dosmann: But at the end of...
• 23:46
  Greg Dosmann: And a good friend of mine, I I was just...
• 23:48
  Greg Dosmann: He came in nobody.
• 23:49
  Greg Dosmann: Came and visited me up in Michigan.
• 23:51
  Greg Dosmann: We got to be friends because we got in a fight in sixth grade.
• 23:54
  Greg Dosmann: Went to the principal's office.
• 23:56
  Greg Dosmann: This is back in the day.
• 23:56
  Greg Dosmann: We actually got paddled.
• 23:58
  Greg Dosmann: That was that was a thing, you know, back in
• 24:00
  Lisa Nichols: the nineteen seventies.
• 24:02
  Greg Dosmann: And so we went back to the the the, classroom where the
• 24:06
  Greg Dosmann: fight started, and the teacher did a wise thing.
• 24:08
  Greg Dosmann: He said, you two go up to the library.
• 24:11
  Greg Dosmann: So Marty and I had to go to the library.
• 24:13
  Greg Dosmann: And in the library, Marty looks at me and and he actually started the
• 24:16
  Greg Dosmann: fight.
• 24:17
  Greg Dosmann: And he looked at me and said, I can't say...
• 24:20
  Greg Dosmann: I can't apologize because my dad said if I apologize, it means I lost
• 24:23
  Greg Dosmann: the fight.
• 24:25
  Greg Dosmann: And we were talking about that just three weekends ago, and love his dad.
• 24:29
  Greg Dosmann: His dad's ninety six.
• 24:30
  Greg Dosmann: Love, love, love his dad.
• 24:31
  Greg Dosmann: But we both said, we love your dad, but what terrible advice.
• 24:35
  Greg Dosmann: You know?
• 24:36
  Greg Dosmann: Terrible advice.
• 24:38
  Greg Dosmann: But he was doing...
• 24:39
  Greg Dosmann: And I said, but at the end of the day, you know your dad
• 24:41
  Greg Dosmann: loves you.
• 24:42
  Greg Dosmann: You know?
• 24:43
  Greg Dosmann: And and that's, you know, that's the best we can do, I think, in
• 24:46
  Greg Dosmann: many, many instances.
• 24:47
  Greg Dosmann: And the other thing I point out to people, I had this conversation with
• 24:51
  Greg Dosmann: Jim Daley from Focus on the Family.
• 24:52
  Greg Dosmann: I said, you know, we all think we're gonna raise these perfect God fearing,
• 24:56
  Greg Dosmann: Jesus loving children.
• 24:57
  Greg Dosmann: And I go, well, look at God's first two children.
• 25:00
  Greg Dosmann: You know?
• 25:01
  Greg Dosmann: How'd that turn out?
• 25:02
  Greg Dosmann: And how about his first two grandsons?
• 25:04
  Greg Dosmann: You know?
• 25:04
  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
• 25:05
  Greg Dosmann: One killed the other.
• 25:06
  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
• 25:06
  Greg Dosmann: So, I mean, what what makes us think we're gonna we're gonna reach perfection
• 25:10
  Greg Dosmann: in our parenthood?
• 25:10
  Greg Dosmann: You know, again, the love is gonna be the key, and and my hope
• 25:14
  Greg Dosmann: is my kids, and my son in law's and grandkids at the end of
• 25:17
  Greg Dosmann: the day will recognize my faults, I'm sure.
• 25:21
  Greg Dosmann: But I hope they know I love them.
• 25:23
  Greg Dosmann: And always always
• 25:24
  Lisa Nichols: will.
• 25:24
  Lisa Nichols: That's so good.
• 25:26
  Lisa Nichols: Well, Greg, we need to take a quick break.
• 25:28
  Lisa Nichols: I got lots more questions, though.
• 25:29
  Lisa Nichols: Alright.
• 25:30
  Lisa Nichols: We're gonna take a quick break, and we'll be right back with our dear
• 25:33
  Lisa Nichols: friend, Greg Dosman, on the Something Extra podcast.
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  Lisa Nichols: Welcome back, everyone, to the Something Extra podcast with Greg Dozeman.
• 26:11
  Lisa Nichols: This has been so much fun for me so far.
• 26:14
  Lisa Nichols: I hope it has been for you, Greg.
• 26:16
  Lisa Nichols: But in your book, there is a line because I've
• 26:20
  Lisa Nichols: had the the privilege of reading your manuscript, that really
• 26:24
  Lisa Nichols: grabbed me.
• 26:25
  Lisa Nichols: And it said, the wound heals.
• 26:27
  Lisa Nichols: The scar remains.
• 26:29
  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
• 26:30
  Lisa Nichols: So what does that mean to you personally?
• 26:33
  Lisa Nichols: I know that you and and Sharon have been so blessed.
• 26:36
  Lisa Nichols: You have had mountaintops.
• 26:38
  Lisa Nichols: You have had been given more than you could ask or imagine, but you
• 26:41
  Lisa Nichols: guys have gone through some valleys too, Greg.
• 26:44
  Greg Dosmann: Yes.
• 26:44
  Greg Dosmann: So And and it's so wise of you.
• 26:46
  Greg Dosmann: And I'm so pleased that you pulled that line out because that was a
• 26:50
  Greg Dosmann: very, very personal line,
• 26:52
  Greg Dosmann: for me individually.
• 26:54
  Greg Dosmann: You probably know or might remember, we actually lost
• 26:58
  Greg Dosmann: our first child at birth.
• 27:00
  Lisa Nichols: I do remember.
• 27:01
  Greg Dosmann: And it was a
• 27:03
  Greg Dosmann: horrific, traumatic experience that candidly shouldn't
• 27:07
  Greg Dosmann: have happened.
• 27:09
  Greg Dosmann: You know, we ended up with a nine pound one ounce baby girl,
• 27:13
  Greg Dosmann: that just never took a breath, because candidly,
• 27:18
  Greg Dosmann: some would suggest the physician should have done something sooner,
• 27:22
  Greg Dosmann: etcetera.
• 27:23
  Greg Dosmann: And the baby was...
• 27:24
  Greg Dosmann: You know, her hand got twisted around the umbilical cord and lost blood and
• 27:28
  Greg Dosmann: oxygen supply, etcetera.
• 27:30
  Greg Dosmann: And we had this perfect...
• 27:32
  Greg Dosmann: Literally perfect child in every way except she never breathe.
• 27:36
  Greg Dosmann: And,
• 27:38
  Greg Dosmann: that's that's an experience that I've said is that, you know, when
• 27:42
  Greg Dosmann: you go through an experience like that,
• 27:46
  Greg Dosmann: you
• 27:47
  Greg Dosmann: you can't...
• 27:49
  Greg Dosmann: For us, both of us, I remember one day, a few days after it
• 27:52
  Greg Dosmann: all, I said to Sharon, I said,
• 27:56
  Greg Dosmann: I don't know how to pray.
• 27:58
  Greg Dosmann: And she said, either do I.
• 28:00
  Greg Dosmann: And we actually talked to our pastor at the time about...
• 28:02
  Greg Dosmann: And he said, that's okay.
• 28:04
  Greg Dosmann: You know, God knows.
• 28:06
  Greg Dosmann: That's okay.
• 28:06
  Greg Dosmann: You know?
• 28:07
  Greg Dosmann: And it's just that...
• 28:07
  Greg Dosmann: And it wasn't anger.
• 28:09
  Greg Dosmann: It wasn't...
• 28:10
  Greg Dosmann: It was just an emptiness, you know, of of...
• 28:12
  Greg Dosmann: And I remember,
• 28:14
  Greg Dosmann: I think I was twenty eight years old, and I can remember the v...
• 28:17
  Greg Dosmann: I was in a Chevy Tahoe, driving, like,
• 28:21
  Greg Dosmann: the day after to the cemetery to pick out a cemetery plot.
• 28:26
  Greg Dosmann: And I remember saying out loud, I was like, god, you're not supposed to
• 28:30
  Greg Dosmann: do this at twenty eight.
• 28:31
  Greg Dosmann: You know?
• 28:32
  Greg Dosmann: I don't get it.
• 28:33
  Greg Dosmann: You know?
• 28:33
  Greg Dosmann: It just...
• 28:33
  Greg Dosmann: It...
• 28:33
  Greg Dosmann: I don't I don't understand.
• 28:35
  Greg Dosmann: But the...
• 28:36
  Greg Dosmann: So the point of it all is that that puts a deep, deep scar
• 28:40
  Greg Dosmann: on a person's heart,
• 28:43
  Greg Dosmann: But by God's grace, the wound heals,
• 28:47
  Greg Dosmann: the scar remains, you know, because it's marked us, it's marked me,
• 28:52
  Greg Dosmann: but some scars are beautiful, you know, because of what they mean.
• 28:57
  Greg Dosmann: And, you know, so that's that's why I wanted to
• 29:01
  Greg Dosmann: to put that message in there.
• 29:02
  Greg Dosmann: And and and the other piece of the message is what's meant for
• 29:07
  Greg Dosmann: evil, god can and will use for good, especially
• 29:11
  Greg Dosmann: if we learn to love through it.
• 29:13
  Greg Dosmann: You know, that's the thread throughout the story.
• 29:15
  Greg Dosmann: And...
• 29:16
  Greg Dosmann: But I'm also careful to tell people and caution people,
• 29:20
  Greg Dosmann: you don't tell people that when they're in the middle of it.
• 29:24
  Greg Dosmann: Because when you're in the middle of that crush,
• 29:28
  Greg Dosmann: you can't connect the dots to see how god can use this for good.
• 29:32
  Greg Dosmann: You...
• 29:32
  Greg Dosmann: Your mind isn't able to do that or your heart or your emotions.
• 29:37
  Greg Dosmann: However, we look back ten, twenty, thirty, it's thirty
• 29:41
  Greg Dosmann: plus years now since that happened, and we can connect dots
• 29:45
  Greg Dosmann: and say, that was terrible, that was awful, we have the scar.
• 29:50
  Greg Dosmann: However, God has worked in and through that for good,
• 29:54
  Greg Dosmann: and that's one of the prime messages of the story I want people to
• 29:57
  Greg Dosmann: get is we live in a broken world.
• 30:00
  Greg Dosmann: We're gonna have trauma, trials, tragedies, awful,
• 30:04
  Greg Dosmann: awful things that are real.
• 30:07
  Greg Dosmann: However, god can and will work in those
• 30:11
  Greg Dosmann: if we continue to love through it.
• 30:13
  Greg Dosmann: And and most times, we're able to look back and connect the
• 30:17
  Greg Dosmann: dots and say, wow.
• 30:19
  Greg Dosmann: And so that's why that piece of the story that I'm so pleased that
• 30:23
  Greg Dosmann: that jumped out to you because that's that's that's what I would hope would
• 30:27
  Greg Dosmann: have happened.
• 30:27
  Greg Dosmann: Thank you for bringing that up.
• 30:29
  Lisa Nichols: Absolutely.
• 30:30
  Lisa Nichols: Absolutely.
• 30:31
  Lisa Nichols: Well, and I just know, personally, I know that you and Sharon have gone
• 30:35
  Lisa Nichols: on to help other people that have found themselves.
• 30:38
  Lisa Nichols: We have a a mutual friend that lost a baby.
• 30:41
  Lisa Nichols: Same thing.
• 30:42
  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
• 30:42
  Lisa Nichols: Sharon was able to minister to her.
• 30:44
  Lisa Nichols: Amen.
• 30:45
  Lisa Nichols: And, you know, I mean, if you've never been through that, if you've never
• 30:49
  Lisa Nichols: walked through that, you can certainly feel sympathy
• 30:52
  Greg Dosmann: Yes.
• 30:52
  Lisa Nichols: For that person, but you don't understand.
• 30:55
  Lisa Nichols: No.
• 30:55
  Lisa Nichols: And you guys understand Yes.
• 30:57
  Lisa Nichols: What that's like.
• 30:58
  Lisa Nichols: I know you've been able to help other people.
• 31:00
  Greg Dosmann: Well...
• 31:00
  Greg Dosmann: And and, Lisa, I think of you all and Ally.
• 31:03
  Greg Dosmann: I mean, I'm sure when you were told, oh, there's this issue
• 31:07
  Greg Dosmann: with your child, it seems so traumatic.
• 31:10
  Greg Dosmann: But I know he...
• 31:12
  Greg Dosmann: There's no way you would trade that for the biggest pile of gold on
• 31:16
  Greg Dosmann: earth because...
• 31:17
  Greg Dosmann: But at the time, you're trying to struggle with it like, oh, and you
• 31:21
  Greg Dosmann: can't connect the dots.
• 31:22
  Greg Dosmann: But now you go back and you look at how god's used her.
• 31:26
  Greg Dosmann: I mean, it's it's unbelievable.
• 31:28
  Lisa Nichols: It is unbelievable.
• 31:30
  Greg Dosmann: Here we are.
• 31:30
  Greg Dosmann: We're doing a podcast because of it.
• 31:33
  Lisa Nichols: You know.
• 31:34
  Lisa Nichols: Exactly.
• 31:35
  Lisa Nichols: Exactly.
• 31:36
  Lisa Nichols: Oh my goodness.
• 31:37
  Lisa Nichols: Well,
• 31:40
  Lisa Nichols: you know, what do you hope happens?
• 31:42
  Lisa Nichols: And I don't know if you want to...
• 31:44
  Lisa Nichols: I don't wanna give it away.
• 31:46
  Lisa Nichols: I don't wanna give it away.
• 31:47
  Lisa Nichols: The the character is Seth.
• 31:49
  Greg Dosmann: Yes.
• 31:49
  Lisa Nichols: The little boy is Seth.
• 31:52
  Lisa Nichols: Do you do you wanna just, like, touch on what...
• 31:56
  Lisa Nichols: You know, just a little bit of the through line.
• 31:57
  Lisa Nichols: I don't wanna give it away.
• 31:59
  Greg Dosmann: But you mean the tragedy?
• 32:00
  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
• 32:01
  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
• 32:01
  Greg Dosmann: I...
• 32:01
  Greg Dosmann: What do you think?
• 32:02
  Greg Dosmann: I...
• 32:02
  Greg Dosmann: I'm happy to do so if you think.
• 32:04
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 32:05
  Lisa Nichols: I just just...
• 32:06
  Lisa Nichols: Readers go get the book.
• 32:08
  Lisa Nichols: That's that's what I'm just gonna
• 32:09
  Greg Dosmann: tell you.
• 32:10
  Greg Dosmann: Okay.
• 32:10
  Lisa Nichols: Go get the book.
• 32:11
  Lisa Nichols: But let me ask you this, Greg.
• 32:13
  Lisa Nichols: What do you hope happens inside the reader when they finish the book?
• 32:17
  Greg Dosmann: Well
• 32:17
  Lisa Nichols: because I know you wrote the book so it can impact someone.
• 32:21
  Greg Dosmann: Yes.
• 32:21
  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
• 32:22
  Greg Dosmann: You know, that that reader.
• 32:23
  Greg Dosmann: Again, the words written and spoken engage and inspire.
• 32:27
  Greg Dosmann: It's...
• 32:27
  Greg Dosmann: You're so good because you're literally just going right...
• 32:30
  Greg Dosmann: Jotted some notes down and you're going right down.
• 32:32
  Greg Dosmann: So one of my dear, dear friends who, wanted to read it, and I
• 32:36
  Greg Dosmann: said, okay.
• 32:37
  Greg Dosmann: So I gave him the manuscript.
• 32:38
  Greg Dosmann: He sent me the most wonderful email, and here's what he jotted
• 32:42
  Greg Dosmann: down and sent me in this email.
• 32:44
  Greg Dosmann: And I thought...
• 32:45
  Greg Dosmann: I literally said when I got...
• 32:46
  Greg Dosmann: I said, man, if anyone asks me this question, I'm just gonna read John's
• 32:49
  Greg Dosmann: responses.
• 32:51
  Greg Dosmann: He said, this is what he got.
• 32:52
  Greg Dosmann: This is what the the highlights he took.
• 32:56
  Greg Dosmann: Truth is found in God's holy word.
• 32:58
  Greg Dosmann: A kingdom beyond this world is achieved by pursuing the truth.
• 33:03
  Greg Dosmann: The kingdom is in sight.
• 33:05
  Greg Dosmann: Pursue it with all your heart.
• 33:06
  Greg Dosmann: Love bears all things, believe all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
• 33:10
  Greg Dosmann: Love never ends.
• 33:12
  Greg Dosmann: The most...
• 33:12
  Greg Dosmann: This is this is a, a personal quote for me.
• 33:16
  Greg Dosmann: The most beautiful lives are those that are marked by death, the death
• 33:20
  Greg Dosmann: of self to love others more.
• 33:24
  Greg Dosmann: There's always beauty to be seen even in sad times.
• 33:27
  Greg Dosmann: Be foolish enough to believe and wise enough to do.
• 33:30
  Greg Dosmann: Emptying the cup of me, be filled with love for others is the path
• 33:33
  Greg Dosmann: to true riches that money can't buy.
• 33:35
  Greg Dosmann: Pouring ourselves out to love others is the end.
• 33:39
  Greg Dosmann: It is the riches.
• 33:41
  Greg Dosmann: Don't fear.
• 33:43
  Greg Dosmann: Don't let fear destroy love.
• 33:45
  Greg Dosmann: Love overcomes fear.
• 33:46
  Greg Dosmann: The foundation was more important than the man.
• 33:49
  Greg Dosmann: Those deeds that hate those deeds that are...
• 33:52
  Greg Dosmann: That hate means for evil, love can turn for good.
• 33:55
  Greg Dosmann: Oh.
• 33:56
  Greg Dosmann: So if
• 33:56
  Lisa Nichols: you That is good.
• 33:58
  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
• 33:58
  Greg Dosmann: That is really good.
• 34:00
  Greg Dosmann: I I was like, if no one else reads the book and Yeah.
• 34:03
  Greg Dosmann: John got that out of it, I'm like, wonderful.
• 34:07
  Greg Dosmann: Glad I did it.
• 34:08
  Lisa Nichols: I love the pouring out of self.
• 34:11
  Lisa Nichols: Right?
• 34:12
  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
• 34:12
  Greg Dosmann: We gotta learn that every day, though.
• 34:14
  Greg Dosmann: Right?
• 34:15
  Lisa Nichols: We do.
• 34:15
  Lisa Nichols: We do.
• 34:16
  Lisa Nichols: And there's so much intentionality behind it.
• 34:19
  Lisa Nichols: You know?
• 34:20
  Lisa Nichols: I told you about John Pepper, having John on the podcast,
• 34:24
  Lisa Nichols: Greg.
• 34:24
  Lisa Nichols: And at the end...
• 34:26
  Lisa Nichols: Now he's eighty eight years old now.
• 34:27
  Lisa Nichols: He's got lots of experience.
• 34:29
  Lisa Nichols: Right?
• 34:29
  Lisa Nichols: I said, okay, John.
• 34:31
  Lisa Nichols: I'm gonna give you a couple of something extras.
• 34:34
  Lisa Nichols: Not just one.
• 34:35
  Lisa Nichols: I said a couple.
• 34:36
  Lisa Nichols: You know?
• 34:37
  Lisa Nichols: And his first one that he said was love.
• 34:39
  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
• 34:40
  Lisa Nichols: You've gotta love the people that you serve.
• 34:42
  Greg Dosmann: Yes.
• 34:42
  Lisa Nichols: You've gotta love them, but we cannot love
• 34:47
  Lisa Nichols: other people when we're so filled up with ourselves.
• 34:50
  Greg Dosmann: Hundred percent.
• 34:52
  Lisa Nichols: You know?
• 34:52
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, if we are too self focused, I'm not gonna notice you.
• 34:56
  Lisa Nichols: No.
• 34:56
  Lisa Nichols: I'm not gonna notice when you're in pain.
• 34:58
  Lisa Nichols: Right?
• 34:59
  Lisa Nichols: So I just...
• 35:00
  Lisa Nichols: I love that you just...
• 35:02
  Lisa Nichols: That's the way you describe that.
• 35:03
  Lisa Nichols: That was so beautiful.
• 35:07
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 35:07
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, we we had talked about this, you know, where...
• 35:10
  Lisa Nichols: You know, you talked about how we often can't see what god is doing
• 35:13
  Lisa Nichols: while we're walking through something, but years later, we can look back and we
• 35:16
  Lisa Nichols: can connect the dots.
• 35:18
  Lisa Nichols: You know?
• 35:19
  Lisa Nichols: I I know Greg and I have so many stories about this
• 35:24
  Lisa Nichols: too.
• 35:24
  Lisa Nichols: You know?
• 35:24
  Lisa Nichols: But, Greg, when did you first realize that?
• 35:28
  Greg Dosmann: Wow.
• 35:30
  Greg Dosmann: No one's ever asked me that.
• 35:31
  Greg Dosmann: Lisa, that's a powerful question.
• 35:33
  Greg Dosmann: When did I first realize that?
• 35:35
  Greg Dosmann: I don't know that there was one moment of epiphany
• 35:40
  Greg Dosmann: that, oh my goodness.
• 35:42
  Greg Dosmann: I think it's been gradual.
• 35:44
  Greg Dosmann: Simple.
• 35:45
  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
• 35:45
  Greg Dosmann: And and progressive in that I've learned it more and more even so to
• 35:49
  Greg Dosmann: this...
• 35:50
  Greg Dosmann: To the point
• 35:52
  Greg Dosmann: where I no longer feel this need or compulsion
• 35:57
  Greg Dosmann: to see it because I believe it so firmly now
• 36:01
  Greg Dosmann: in my heart that, you know, there's things I pray for today,
• 36:06
  Greg Dosmann: especially around my family that I hope I get to see, but
• 36:11
  Greg Dosmann: it doesn't change.
• 36:12
  Greg Dosmann: If I don't get to see it, I don't care because
• 36:15
  Lisa Nichols: It doesn't change your faith.
• 36:16
  Greg Dosmann: It doesn't change my faith and Yeah.
• 36:19
  Greg Dosmann: You know you know, in fact, it's getting back to kids again.
• 36:22
  Greg Dosmann: I remember, again, chatting with Jim Daley from Focus, and I said,
• 36:26
  Greg Dosmann: you know, the verse that so is quoted, you know, raise up a child
• 36:30
  Greg Dosmann: in a way they should go.
• 36:31
  Greg Dosmann: And I and I point out, it says, when they are old, which
• 36:35
  Greg Dosmann: means I may not be here.
• 36:38
  Lisa Nichols: Right.
• 36:39
  Lisa Nichols: When they are That's a great point.
• 36:40
  Lisa Nichols: When they're old, they want to part.
• 36:42
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 36:42
  Lisa Nichols: But, I mean, it doesn't say how old.
• 36:44
  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
• 36:44
  Greg Dosmann: So they could be, you know, they could be eight years old.
• 36:46
  Greg Dosmann: I'm gone, long gone.
• 36:48
  Greg Dosmann: But it doesn't change my prayer.
• 36:49
  Greg Dosmann: It doesn't change my heart because, you know, I'm I'm so grateful,
• 36:54
  Greg Dosmann: frankly, to to get to this point where I'm like, okay.
• 36:57
  Greg Dosmann: I don't have to see it, but I know the dots are being connected.
• 37:00
  Greg Dosmann: And, again, I wanna be careful to mention, it doesn't diminish the
• 37:05
  Greg Dosmann: evil.
• 37:05
  Greg Dosmann: It doesn't diminish the tragedy or the the
• 37:09
  Greg Dosmann: trauma that someone goes through.
• 37:11
  Greg Dosmann: That's real.
• 37:12
  Greg Dosmann: You know, it's not to diminish it.
• 37:14
  Greg Dosmann: It's just to say it...
• 37:15
  Greg Dosmann: It's acknowledging the evil, acknowledging the tragedy, the trauma
• 37:19
  Greg Dosmann: that we are in a broken world, but, you know, faith, hope, and love,
• 37:24
  Greg Dosmann: you know, to get through it.
• 37:25
  Greg Dosmann: You know?
• 37:26
  Greg Dosmann: And then then, hopefully, God's blessing and gift is that
• 37:30
  Greg Dosmann: you do get to connect the dots on some of these things.
• 37:33
  Greg Dosmann: But, hopefully, it creates that faith in you that you don't have to see
• 37:36
  Greg Dosmann: the dots connecting as you continue to move.
• 37:39
  Greg Dosmann: Because I know there's more trauma, trial, tribulation I'm gonna face.
• 37:43
  Greg Dosmann: You know, I'm sixty three.
• 37:44
  Greg Dosmann: You know?
• 37:45
  Greg Dosmann: If God gives me another fifteen or twenty or whatever years, there's gonna be
• 37:49
  Greg Dosmann: more of that.
• 37:49
  Greg Dosmann: But I'm...
• 37:50
  Greg Dosmann: You know, God willing, I'm gonna continue to be faithful knowing that he will
• 37:53
  Greg Dosmann: continue to work through this.
• 37:55
  Lisa Nichols: That's so good.
• 37:56
  Lisa Nichols: That's gold right there.
• 37:57
  Lisa Nichols: You don't have to see it to believe it.
• 37:59
  Greg Dosmann: Right.
• 37:59
  Greg Dosmann: Right.
• 38:00
  Greg Dosmann: That's what faith is.
• 38:01
  Greg Dosmann: Right?
• 38:01
  Lisa Nichols: To...
• 38:01
  Lisa Nichols: That's faith.
• 38:02
  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
• 38:02
  Lisa Nichols: That's faith.
• 38:03
  Lisa Nichols: You know?
• 38:03
  Lisa Nichols: And we are to walk by faith, not by sight.
• 38:05
  Lisa Nichols: Right?
• 38:06
  Lisa Nichols: So That's right.
• 38:07
  Lisa Nichols: So good.
• 38:08
  Lisa Nichols: Well,
• 38:10
  Lisa Nichols: I want to talk about
• 38:14
  Lisa Nichols: marriage.
• 38:14
  Greg Dosmann: Oh.
• 38:15
  Lisa Nichols: So you and Sharon, who I absolutely
• 38:20
  Lisa Nichols: one hundred percent adore.
• 38:22
  Lisa Nichols: She's a sister from another mister.
• 38:24
  Greg Dosmann: Yep.
• 38:25
  Lisa Nichols: But you've been married to Sharon since nineteen eighty eight.
• 38:29
  Lisa Nichols: I know that you guys have taught classes.
• 38:32
  Lisa Nichols: I remember you guys talking...
• 38:33
  Lisa Nichols: Teaching classes on marriage.
• 38:36
  Lisa Nichols: Greg, what is thirty eight years of marriage taught you about love
• 38:40
  Lisa Nichols: that you did not know when you said I do?
• 38:43
  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
• 38:43
  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
• 38:44
  Greg Dosmann: Well, that'll take another hour.
• 38:46
  Lisa Nichols: Okay.
• 38:47
  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
• 38:48
  Greg Dosmann: Well, it actually...
• 38:49
  Greg Dosmann: I I literally kinda cringe and shudder to think...
• 38:53
  Greg Dosmann: Because that was probably ten, fifteen years ago that we were teaching,
• 38:57
  Greg Dosmann: and I'm like
• 38:59
  Greg Dosmann: I'm like, what a joke.
• 39:00
  Greg Dosmann: I mean, I knew I knew...
• 39:03
  Greg Dosmann: I'm like, oh my goodness.
• 39:05
  Greg Dosmann: And and and, you know, candid, I would share, and and I've shared this
• 39:08
  Greg Dosmann: more.
• 39:09
  Greg Dosmann: The last...
• 39:10
  Greg Dosmann: You know, I'm sixty three.
• 39:11
  Greg Dosmann: I'm gonna say from, like,
• 39:14
  Greg Dosmann: fifty five to sixty,
• 39:17
  Greg Dosmann: your age was was the biggest challenge in our marriage, to
• 39:21
  Greg Dosmann: be to be candid and and being transparent.
• 39:24
  Greg Dosmann: In fact, I was able to speak at our alma mater's chapel, and I
• 39:27
  Greg Dosmann: shared this, you know, for the first time publicly.
• 39:30
  Greg Dosmann: So, hey, I did it in front of a thousand, so I can I
• 39:33
  Greg Dosmann: can speak it on your, podcast?
• 39:35
  Lisa Nichols: Right.
• 39:35
  Greg Dosmann: But, you know...
• 39:36
  Greg Dosmann: And, again, it it ties into the idea that, you know, I
• 39:40
  Greg Dosmann: really truly believe that you view life as a puzzle, and and faith has
• 39:44
  Greg Dosmann: to be that centerpiece of the puzzle that everything, you know, your love
• 39:48
  Greg Dosmann: for for family, your love for friends, and even your love for foes, and
• 39:52
  Greg Dosmann: then how you use your finances, your fitness, and your things you do for
• 39:56
  Greg Dosmann: fun.
• 39:57
  Greg Dosmann: Applying truth to all that really does provide freedom.
• 40:00
  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
• 40:01
  Greg Dosmann: But me being me, I like to get my financial
• 40:05
  Greg Dosmann: plan all in order.
• 40:06
  Greg Dosmann: So set it and forget it.
• 40:07
  Greg Dosmann: It's done.
• 40:07
  Greg Dosmann: I like to, you know, I'm gonna do this.
• 40:09
  Greg Dosmann: I'm gonna do that.
• 40:10
  Greg Dosmann: But what I've learned is that the the puzzle of life with
• 40:14
  Greg Dosmann: faith at the centerpiece,
• 40:16
  Greg Dosmann: you have to pull the puzzle pieces back in the box at the end
• 40:19
  Greg Dosmann: of every day.
• 40:20
  Greg Dosmann: And then the next day, you you pile them out and you go, okay.
• 40:23
  Greg Dosmann: Which is gonna be the centerpiece?
• 40:25
  Greg Dosmann: And I think I I share that to say that, you
• 40:29
  Greg Dosmann: know, as we plan for retirement, you know, I had this plan going back
• 40:33
  Greg Dosmann: to, you know, you know, shocker, ten years before retirement, I had a plan.
• 40:38
  Greg Dosmann: And I shared with Sharon the plan was gonna be, you know, we're gonna
• 40:42
  Greg Dosmann: spend January through April in Florida.
• 40:44
  Greg Dosmann: We're gonna spend May and June in Saint Louis.
• 40:46
  Greg Dosmann: We're gonna go to Michigan July through Labor Day, and then back to Saint
• 40:50
  Greg Dosmann: Louis through the holidays, and then like the shampoo bottle, rinse and repeat.
• 40:54
  Greg Dosmann: And I can be passionate and persuasive in,
• 40:59
  Greg Dosmann: ideas like that.
• 41:00
  Greg Dosmann: And, Sharon was like, okay.
• 41:02
  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
• 41:02
  Greg Dosmann: Alright.
• 41:03
  Greg Dosmann: That sounds good.
• 41:04
  Greg Dosmann: And as soon as she said that's good, I'm like, hey.
• 41:07
  Greg Dosmann: I got the green light.
• 41:08
  Greg Dosmann: We're gone.
• 41:09
  Greg Dosmann: So as you know, you know, purchased a property, build a magnificent beach
• 41:13
  Greg Dosmann: house in Florida, did all this, and it all and it all started
• 41:17
  Greg Dosmann: to crumble,
• 41:19
  Greg Dosmann: two thousand eighteen ish when we took possession of the house because Sharon was
• 41:23
  Greg Dosmann: starting to get cold feet.
• 41:24
  Greg Dosmann: Like Yeah.
• 41:25
  Greg Dosmann: Oh, I...
• 41:26
  Greg Dosmann: Oh, we're gonna have some grandbabies.
• 41:27
  Greg Dosmann: Some...
• 41:28
  Greg Dosmann: I don't know if I wanna be a Florida resident.
• 41:30
  Greg Dosmann: I don't know, you know, all this stuff.
• 41:32
  Greg Dosmann: And, you know,
• 41:35
  Greg Dosmann: forgive me for my crassness, but it's the best way I can say it.
• 41:39
  Greg Dosmann: I was an ass because it was like, hey.
• 41:43
  Lisa Nichols: No.
• 41:43
  Lisa Nichols: This was my plan.
• 41:44
  Greg Dosmann: This is...
• 41:44
  Greg Dosmann: And you agreed to it as if she didn't have the right to change
• 41:48
  Greg Dosmann: her her mind.
• 41:49
  Greg Dosmann: And so, you know...
• 41:51
  Greg Dosmann: And and I remember saying before we took possession of the house, well, I'd
• 41:54
  Greg Dosmann: rather sell it right now, than never spend a night in it because I
• 41:58
  Greg Dosmann: know it's gonna be spectacular.
• 42:00
  Greg Dosmann: And she was wise enough to say, no.
• 42:02
  Greg Dosmann: She wasn't gonna let me do that because then I would've held that against
• 42:07
  Greg Dosmann: her forever.
• 42:07
  Greg Dosmann: Mhmm.
• 42:07
  Greg Dosmann: So we had to process through this.
• 42:08
  Greg Dosmann: And what I've said, and that's really where some of that,
• 42:12
  Greg Dosmann: the most beautiful lives are marked by death, death itself.
• 42:16
  Greg Dosmann: I say...
• 42:16
  Greg Dosmann: And I even said from the stage, to my alma mater student body,
• 42:21
  Greg Dosmann: I said, you know, to the men and the the young men in the
• 42:24
  Greg Dosmann: crowd, I said, you know, we as men like to say, I'd give my
• 42:26
  Greg Dosmann: life for my wife, you know, or...
• 42:28
  Greg Dosmann: And I said, you know, you haven't even met her yet, and you're making
• 42:30
  Greg Dosmann: that statement.
• 42:31
  Greg Dosmann: Right?
• 42:32
  Lisa Nichols: Right.
• 42:33
  Greg Dosmann: And I said...
• 42:34
  Greg Dosmann: But I said, that's just...
• 42:35
  Greg Dosmann: That's one zero one freshman level manhood.
• 42:39
  Greg Dosmann: I mean...
• 42:39
  Greg Dosmann: And I said to the ladies, if a guy won't do that, run.
• 42:43
  Greg Dosmann: But you gotta make sure a guy would literally physically give his life for
• 42:46
  Greg Dosmann: you.
• 42:46
  Lisa Nichols: Right.
• 42:47
  Greg Dosmann: But Sharon never doubted that.
• 42:49
  Greg Dosmann: You know you know, if if the guy came up with a gun or
• 42:52
  Greg Dosmann: a knife, would I take the bullet?
• 42:53
  Greg Dosmann: Would I...
• 42:53
  Lisa Nichols: Oh.
• 42:54
  Lisa Nichols: Absolutely.
• 42:54
  Lisa Nichols: Absolutely.
• 42:55
  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
• 42:56
  Greg Dosmann: But was I willing to die to self in all the little ways?
• 42:59
  Lisa Nichols: In all your ambition and all your plans and plans and
• 43:03
  Greg Dosmann: all that.
• 43:04
  Greg Dosmann: Right.
• 43:04
  Greg Dosmann: And, it really hit me at a young couple's wedding we attended,
• 43:09
  Greg Dosmann: and they were saying their vows.
• 43:11
  Greg Dosmann: You know, I vow and, you know, I pledge.
• 43:13
  Greg Dosmann: And then it was almost like God said, unless she doesn't go along with
• 43:17
  Greg Dosmann: your retirement plan.
• 43:19
  Greg Dosmann: And, it was like
• 43:20
  Lisa Nichols: Wow.
• 43:21
  Greg Dosmann: Convicting.
• 43:22
  Greg Dosmann: And, so I've begun to...
• 43:25
  Greg Dosmann: And that's all part of the, you know, decoupling of of
• 43:29
  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
• 43:29
  Greg Dosmann: Our lives of where the plan was.
• 43:31
  Greg Dosmann: And the plan now really is connected together.
• 43:34
  Greg Dosmann: It's it's around the grandkids.
• 43:36
  Greg Dosmann: It's around, you know, really more of a home base in Saint Louis, you
• 43:40
  Greg Dosmann: know, and all these things.
• 43:43
  Greg Dosmann: And so God's good, but it it took some real, really tough, tough,
• 43:47
  Greg Dosmann: times, you know, to to get through that and get to this space.
• 43:51
  Lisa Nichols: Oh, that's so encouraging, Greg.
• 43:54
  Lisa Nichols: That is really so encouraging.
• 43:55
  Lisa Nichols: So I know that there's listeners out there that are like, one day, we'll
• 43:59
  Lisa Nichols: get to where we're in this place, you know, and everything's gonna be blissful.
• 44:04
  Lisa Nichols: You know?
• 44:04
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, it's a process.
• 44:06
  Lisa Nichols: We are evolving Yes.
• 44:09
  Lisa Nichols: As individuals.
• 44:10
  Greg Dosmann: Yes.
• 44:11
  Lisa Nichols: Right?
• 44:11
  Lisa Nichols: So...
• 44:12
  Lisa Nichols: But,
• 44:14
  Lisa Nichols: yeah, I love the decoupling and the...
• 44:16
  Lisa Nichols: I love what you said about, yeah.
• 44:19
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 44:19
  Lisa Nichols: I'd take a bullet, but will I die to myself on all these ambitions
• 44:22
  Lisa Nichols: and plans?
• 44:23
  Lisa Nichols: Because that's really what it's about.
• 44:25
  Lisa Nichols: Right?
• 44:25
  Greg Dosmann: It
• 44:25
  Lisa Nichols: coming together
• 44:28
  Lisa Nichols: on dreams and plans.
• 44:30
  Greg Dosmann: Yes.
• 44:31
  Greg Dosmann: And you quit looking at the other person to change and look to your...
• 44:34
  Greg Dosmann: You know,
• 44:35
  Lisa Nichols: so, you
• 44:35
  Greg Dosmann: know, there was
• 44:36
  Lisa Nichols: a...
• 44:36
  Lisa Nichols: You
• 44:37
  Greg Dosmann: you being a music, member FFH, the group Far From Home.
• 44:41
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 44:41
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 44:42
  Greg Dosmann: We...
• 44:42
  Greg Dosmann: Clearing out our basement, we found one of their old CDs, and and I
• 44:46
  Greg Dosmann: kept playing the song Lord Move or Move Me.
• 44:50
  Lisa Nichols: Oh.
• 44:51
  Greg Dosmann: And That's good.
• 44:52
  Greg Dosmann: Great song, you know, and it's Yeah.
• 44:53
  Greg Dosmann: And that's so poignant.
• 44:55
  Greg Dosmann: It's like quit asking for God to change the other person, ask him
• 44:59
  Greg Dosmann: to change you.
• 45:00
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 45:00
  Greg Dosmann: But if you ask that with a sincere heart, get ready.
• 45:04
  Lisa Nichols: He'll do it.
• 45:04
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 45:05
  Lisa Nichols: He'll do it.
• 45:06
  Greg Dosmann: But but there...
• 45:06
  Greg Dosmann: But there's there's joy in that.
• 45:08
  Greg Dosmann: There's...
• 45:08
  Greg Dosmann: I...
• 45:09
  Greg Dosmann: I'm way more joyful today than I definitely was in two thousand eighteen, nineteen,
• 45:13
  Greg Dosmann: or
• 45:13
  Lisa Nichols: twenty.
• 45:13
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 45:14
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 45:15
  Lisa Nichols: I bet Sharon is too.
• 45:16
  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
• 45:17
  Greg Dosmann: I hope so.
• 45:17
  Lisa Nichols: I hope so.
• 45:20
  Lisa Nichols: Well, congratulations.
• 45:22
  Lisa Nichols: Aubrey and Nick just had your fourth grandchild.
• 45:25
  Greg Dosmann: I know.
• 45:25
  Greg Dosmann: It's amazing.
• 45:26
  Lisa Nichols: It was...
• 45:26
  Lisa Nichols: I knew it was coming, and this is so funny.
• 45:28
  Lisa Nichols: This is what I didn't tell you, Greg, before.
• 45:31
  Lisa Nichols: I I knew it was coming, and I texted Sharon
• 45:35
  Lisa Nichols: Wednesday and said, hey.
• 45:38
  Lisa Nichols: Is the baby here yet?
• 45:40
  Lisa Nichols: And she said, today.
• 45:41
  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
• 45:42
  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
• 45:42
  Lisa Nichols: And I'm like, wow.
• 45:44
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 45:44
  Lisa Nichols: Timing is everything.
• 45:45
  Lisa Nichols: But now you have four four beautiful grandchildren.
• 45:49
  Lisa Nichols: You got two son in laws.
• 45:50
  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
• 45:51
  Lisa Nichols: You know?
• 45:52
  Lisa Nichols: What is the legacy that you want to leave for them?
• 45:55
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, what do you...
• 45:56
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, you're...
• 45:57
  Lisa Nichols: You've definitely have a legacy professionally.
• 45:59
  Lisa Nichols: I know that you've just built into so many people over the years,
• 46:04
  Lisa Nichols: Greg.
• 46:04
  Lisa Nichols: But what do you hope people say about you?
• 46:06
  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
• 46:07
  Greg Dosmann: Well, you know, let me just say one
• 46:11
  Greg Dosmann: thing I've realized, and and Sharon's been gracious.
• 46:15
  Greg Dosmann: I have such a higher appreciation for motherhood as a
• 46:19
  Greg Dosmann: grandfather than I ever did as a father.
• 46:21
  Greg Dosmann: And and I wish that weren't true, but it is true.
• 46:24
  Greg Dosmann: And she's been gracious.
• 46:25
  Greg Dosmann: She said, well, you know why?
• 46:26
  Greg Dosmann: You were working ten, twelve hours a day.
• 46:28
  Greg Dosmann: When you came home, you were exhausted.
• 46:30
  Greg Dosmann: And...
• 46:30
  Greg Dosmann: But when I see what you women do to even
• 46:35
  Greg Dosmann: bring a child into this world, and then the sacrifices you
• 46:39
  Greg Dosmann: made, I've said to my buddies, I said, if God would have made it
• 46:42
  Greg Dosmann: that we didn't know which sex was gonna get pregnant, I said, the Earth's
• 46:45
  Greg Dosmann: population would be twenty five percent of what it is today.
• 46:50
  Greg Dosmann: And my my buddies say, yeah.
• 46:52
  Greg Dosmann: We'd all be only children.
• 46:54
  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
• 46:54
  Greg Dosmann: They would be like, I'm never doing that again.
• 46:56
  Greg Dosmann: And then I see my daughters doing this, and I'm just...
• 46:59
  Greg Dosmann: I'm in awe.
• 47:00
  Greg Dosmann: I'm just in awe of what they do.
• 47:02
  Greg Dosmann: And so,
• 47:04
  Greg Dosmann: for a legacy,
• 47:06
  Greg Dosmann: really, it gets back to that line that...
• 47:11
  Greg Dosmann: Two things.
• 47:11
  Greg Dosmann: I said, one, I hope they would say, you know, dad
• 47:15
  Greg Dosmann: lived a beautiful life because he died to self.
• 47:18
  Greg Dosmann: And I think I've still got a lot of work to do to have
• 47:21
  Greg Dosmann: that happen.
• 47:22
  Greg Dosmann: I wouldn't expect them to say that today, candidly.
• 47:26
  Greg Dosmann: And so that would be, you know, one piece of the puzzle.
• 47:30
  Greg Dosmann: The the second legacy, I would hope that when I go,
• 47:35
  Greg Dosmann: they literally say he had zero fear of death.
• 47:39
  Greg Dosmann: He he just had no fear, because he knew he was
• 47:43
  Greg Dosmann: crossing over from death to life.
• 47:45
  Greg Dosmann: So I guess that would be
• 47:47
  Lisa Nichols: Aw.
• 47:48
  Lisa Nichols: That's beautiful.
• 47:49
  Greg Dosmann: Two two hopeful legacies, I would hope.
• 47:51
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 47:51
  Lisa Nichols: Beautiful.
• 47:52
  Lisa Nichols: Beautiful.
• 47:52
  Lisa Nichols: Well, Greg, this is called something extra.
• 47:56
  Lisa Nichols: What do you believe is a something extra that every leader needs?
• 48:04
  Greg Dosmann: Be willing to die to self.
• 48:07
  Greg Dosmann: That...
• 48:08
  Greg Dosmann: You know, a leader that really is truly willing to die
• 48:12
  Greg Dosmann: to self.
• 48:13
  Greg Dosmann: And we got the greatest example of that ever with Jesus Christ.
• 48:17
  Greg Dosmann: Yes.
• 48:18
  Greg Dosmann: That's the real deal.
• 48:21
  Lisa Nichols: That's beautiful.
• 48:22
  Greg Dosmann: That's it.
• 48:23
  Lisa Nichols: I've never had anybody say that.
• 48:24
  Lisa Nichols: I've had people say self sacrifice, sacrifice, but dying to self.
• 48:29
  Lisa Nichols: You know?
• 48:30
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 48:31
  Lisa Nichols: And because we are here to serve our people, whether that's
• 48:35
  Lisa Nichols: our family or whether that's our people with...
• 48:37
  Lisa Nichols: That we work with.
• 48:38
  Lisa Nichols: Right?
• 48:39
  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
• 48:39
  Lisa Nichols: So dying to self.
• 48:40
  Lisa Nichols: I love it.
• 48:41
  Lisa Nichols: Well, my friend, this has been so much fun.
• 48:44
  Lisa Nichols: Thank you so much for making the time to be on the show.
• 48:47
  Lisa Nichols: And I just, I just want our listeners to to go out and get
• 48:51
  Lisa Nichols: the book and be watching for his second book because he's got a second
• 48:56
  Lisa Nichols: book in him that he's been working on.
• 48:58
  Lisa Nichols: So it's gonna be just fun to watch how God uses,
• 49:02
  Lisa Nichols: this second half Yes.
• 49:05
  Greg Dosmann: Or the
• 49:05
  Lisa Nichols: last quarter or whatever you got left.
• 49:07
  Greg Dosmann: Whatever I got left.
• 49:08
  Greg Dosmann: We'll
• 49:08
  Lisa Nichols: see.
• 49:08
  Lisa Nichols: Whatever you got left.
• 49:10
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 49:10
  Lisa Nichols: So thank you, my friend.
• 49:11
  Lisa Nichols: No.
• 49:12
  Lisa Nichols: Thank you.
• 49:12
  Lisa Nichols: Sticking in with you.
• 49:13
  Greg Dosmann: Yeah.
• 49:13
  Greg Dosmann: God bless.
• 49:13
  Greg Dosmann: What an honor.
• 49:14
  Greg Dosmann: What a privilege.
• 49:15
  Greg Dosmann: You would have guessed we'd got to do this when, Aubrey and and,
• 49:19
  Greg Dosmann: Paige said ketchup and and both named Greg.
• 49:21
  Greg Dosmann: You know, here we are.
• 49:23
  Lisa Nichols: Exactly.
• 49:24
  Lisa Nichols: And here we are.
• 49:25
  Lisa Nichols: Alright.
• 49:25
  Lisa Nichols: Have a great rest of the day.
• 49:27
  Greg Dosmann: Alright.
• 49:27
  Greg Dosmann: God bless.
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