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Patriots Unfiltered 1/7: Head Coaching Search, Offseason Outlook, Draft Talk · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 5: Like if you were a head coach, I mean, I've
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  Speaker 5: known it's a little early in the show here, you know, like,
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  Speaker 5: what what would you say?
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  Speaker 4: The first thing I do is I'd introduce myself.
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  Speaker 5: Please allow myself, Yeah, to introduce Here's.
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  Speaker 4: Why I think myself. I'm not talking out of school here,
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  Speaker 4: but no scouting database and you know system was really antiquated.
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  Speaker 4: The scouts were involved. Belichick was in in one of
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  Speaker 4: the meetings and went to about three or four before
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  Speaker 4: Billson wis year and I got kicked out.
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  Speaker 5: So blame the drafting on Fred.
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  Speaker 6: I think we maybe need a minor key version of
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  Speaker 6: its on because it was pretty morose in that locker
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  Speaker 6: room today arose.
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  Speaker 7: I've done it a few times, bluggerworthy.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you, but I need to know the Fred Kirsch questions,
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  Speaker 5: what's your plan, what's your structure? Who do you have?
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  Speaker 5: You know, what's going to be your staff?
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  Speaker 4: To look inside your soul? You need a staff, but
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  Speaker 4: you don't.
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  Speaker 5: You still need an offensive coordinator, Like someone's going to
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  Speaker 5: be the offensive.
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  Speaker 4: But he's the guy that calls the place.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I know, but you still need an offensive
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  Speaker 5: coordinating gulp.
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  Speaker 4: You you need a guy to help you coordinate the offense.
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  Speaker 4: All right, welcome to Pagers Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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  Speaker 4: at Jillette Stadium, and we're still recovering, analyzing, dissecting, digesting
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  Speaker 4: the departure of Girodmeo Sunday night, and now we're getting
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  Speaker 4: into who's next, the searching, the search begins. Uh, and
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  Speaker 4: we're gonna talk about all of that. The hot names
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  Speaker 4: out there who might also be out there besides Ben
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  Speaker 4: Johnson and Vrabel, who are the two big names. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: we'll talk about that. And I also want to get
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  Speaker 4: into this whole Elliott Wolf thing because we have a
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  Speaker 4: lot of people, you know, I'm not gonna lie. We
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  Speaker 4: have a lot of fans who are wondering, you know,
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  Speaker 4: with the with the bad drafts that Robert Kraft talked
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  Speaker 4: about yesterday, do we need some type of restructure or
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  Speaker 4: change going on there? Or like, why aren't there more
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  Speaker 4: questions being asked about that part of the organization And.
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  Speaker 5: You got a movie badge.
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  Speaker 4: Oh thank you.
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  Speaker 5: I would just be patient with that, Yeah, because I do.
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  Speaker 5: One of the things that Robert said yesterday that resonated
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  Speaker 5: with me is that the head coach will have a say.
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  Speaker 8: You know.
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  Speaker 5: He was asked specifically about personnel play you know, players, coaches,
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  Speaker 5: you know, his staff, and Robert said, yes, he will
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  Speaker 5: have a say, and now he answered players and coaches.
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  Speaker 5: But I took that as you know, all everything is
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  Speaker 5: sort of fluid until they figure out the direction that
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  Speaker 5: they're going to.
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  Speaker 4: Apparently Phil Perry talked to somebody because he came out
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  Speaker 4: today and said that whoever the coach is, if that
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  Speaker 4: coach wants his own person, that coach will be able
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  Speaker 4: to have his own person. And that makes sense. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: you know, right now, uh time is of the essence
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  Speaker 4: and these the main guys, and probably it's Ben Johnson
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  Speaker 4: and Rabel, but there might be a couple others. They've
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  Speaker 4: got leverage, you know, if they want something, they're probably
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  Speaker 4: going to get it. Whether it's with the Patriots or
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  Speaker 4: whatever team they're interviewing with, they're probably gonna get what
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  Speaker 4: they want because it's not like there's a you know,
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  Speaker 4: this huge list of really you know, hot names and
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  Speaker 4: qualified guys that everybody wants. It seems like everybody wants
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  Speaker 4: either Rabel or Ben Johnson, right Am, I right.
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  Speaker 5: It's the only two names that get a lot of
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  Speaker 5: I mean, there's.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of other names out there, but the Brian.
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  Speaker 5: Has been throwing out Robert, I think is interviewing with
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  Speaker 5: Jacksonville today.
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  Speaker 9: I think we also should mention a coordinator in Detroit.
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  Speaker 9: You know, there's a lot of names, but there's clearly
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  Speaker 9: two front runners for everybody's two apples of everybody's eye
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  Speaker 9: with with Rabel and and Ben Johnson. So it yeah,
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  Speaker 9: you gotta.
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  Speaker 4: Should that be the case? Should should? You know, let's
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  Speaker 4: talk about why. Why do you think these two guys
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  Speaker 4: are the cream of the crop?
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  Speaker 9: Well, I think it's two different types of personality, and
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  Speaker 9: it depends on what you want in a coach. You know,
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  Speaker 9: Rabel is gonna build a culture. He's gonna come in
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  Speaker 9: here and he's gonna instill a culture, a you know,
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  Speaker 9: sort of code of conduct and in a way of
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  Speaker 9: doing things, and has obviously approven track record in Tennessee.
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  Speaker 9: So that that's sort of the pitch on him. And
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  Speaker 9: Ben Johnson is one of the best offensive mines in
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  Speaker 9: the NFL. And in an offensive league and in a
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  Speaker 9: quarterback league, do you hire the guy that knows how
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  Speaker 9: to call plays and design an offense? And that's just
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  Speaker 9: you know, it's the Kyle Shanahan, it's the Sean McVay,
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  Speaker 9: it's the Matt Lafleur in Green Bay. You know, that's
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  Speaker 9: that's the mod.
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  Speaker 5: So with another one that I left out of my
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  Speaker 5: little rant earlier.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So with Rabel, you get the experience as a
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  Speaker 4: head coach. With Johnson, you get the o C, the
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  Speaker 4: hot O C. Yes, but you don't have the head
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  Speaker 4: coach experience of the two. Like does does that? Does
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  Speaker 4: one of them get an edge because of their attributes
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  Speaker 4: their superpower?
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  Speaker 6: I think your your what's your flavor preference? Yeah, what's
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  Speaker 6: your preference? I can make arguments for both those guys,
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  Speaker 6: I think. I mean, look, I've I've wanted Mike ra Able
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  Speaker 6: to be the successor of Bill Belichick for a while now,
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  Speaker 6: so you know, I don't know if I'm as quite
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  Speaker 6: passionate about that as when I was a fan. Now
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  Speaker 6: I'm I'm a little klane. I was going to introduce
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  Speaker 6: him to me once, but he didn't make it happen.
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  Speaker 6: I was pretty upset about it. But you got the
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  Speaker 6: you got the big what's up?
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  Speaker 5: But I told you, if the players used to like me, they.
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  Speaker 7: Used to like you.
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  Speaker 6: But uh, you know, I think, like Kevin said, there's
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  Speaker 6: a lot of appeal to both guys, and it's just
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  Speaker 6: a question of do you want to take a shot
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  Speaker 6: on vrabel again and give him that second opportunity that
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  Speaker 6: sometimes coaches get that second opportunity they see what they
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  Speaker 6: did wrong. We've talked about him learning some of the
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  Speaker 6: offensive side of the ball. You know, maybe this time
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  Speaker 6: he puts it together kind of like Bill does. He
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  Speaker 6: learns from his mistakes, and you know, but Ben Johnson's
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  Speaker 6: that swing for the fence kind of guy. And I mean,
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  Speaker 6: evn't said exactly like you can design an offense in
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  Speaker 6: this league and you know, you get creative. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: they have certainly a flavor to what they do that
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  Speaker 6: you know, is intriguing and kind of fun. So, uh,
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  Speaker 6: I think either way, if either one of those guys
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  Speaker 6: were the option, I'd be.
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  Speaker 4: So Sophie, bring in Johnson. The offensive coordinator isn't as
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  Speaker 4: important if you bring in Vrabel.
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  Speaker 5: But still necessary, not not irrelevant like you no, but.
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  Speaker 4: In essence, oh, in essence, the offense is Ben Johnson's.
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  Speaker 4: If you bring in Vrabel, you need to get a
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  Speaker 4: really good OC because again, we can't forget our prized
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  Speaker 4: asset right now. Drake May and his future and who
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  Speaker 4: runs that offense twenty twenty five is critical.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I do wonder with Rabel. I would assume that
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  Speaker 9: he wants to be more of that CEO head coach.
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  Speaker 9: So really you're going to have two play callers, you know,
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  Speaker 9: defensive coordinator, offensive coordinator. Those guys are going to be
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  Speaker 9: calling the plays, whereas if you hire Ben Johnson, he's
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  Speaker 9: calling the offense like you're not hiring Ben Johnson and
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  Speaker 9: then giving offensive play calling to somebody else. So it's
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  Speaker 9: gonna be his show offensively. Forrable, I would assume we
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  Speaker 9: would take more of the Belichick approach of being the CEO.
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  Speaker 9: I think, you know, the biggest thing that I look
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  Speaker 9: at with Rabel I worry about is the ceiling of
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  Speaker 9: the Patriots with Mike Rable as their head coach. I
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  Speaker 9: have no doubt that Mike Rabel would bring a professional
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  Speaker 9: level of competence to this organization and would get them
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  Speaker 9: to you know, eight nine wins eventually maybe ten wins
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  Speaker 9: like he did in Tennessee. But is he going to
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  Speaker 9: get them to that next level where.
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  Speaker 4: He had a playoff he had a Drake May in Tennessee.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe he would have.
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  Speaker 9: Maybe he would have you know, he had one playoff
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  Speaker 9: run in Tennessee with Ryan Tannehill. Yeah, in twenty nineteen,
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  Speaker 9: they had.
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  Speaker 5: Played as well as anybody in the league when they
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  Speaker 5: were that good. Really the year that they went to
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  Speaker 5: the AC Championship game, go back and look at his numbers,
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  Speaker 5: You had like a one to twenty one passer rating.
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  Speaker 4: For the season. Yeah, he was very good, pretty good.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of that was it because credit for Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: there's no question. Yeah. That's another part of it that
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  Speaker 5: people also ignore is how stacked they were with aj
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  Speaker 5: Brown and Derrek Henry on the offense, right, none of
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  Speaker 5: which are here, But he also had two really good
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  Speaker 5: offensive coordinators. Everybody just looks and says, well, yeah, then
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  Speaker 5: when Tannehill sort of, you know, he got a little
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  Speaker 5: older and he slowed down, then he had Malik Willis
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  Speaker 5: and will Levis and they Yeah, but he also didn't
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  Speaker 5: have Arthur Smith anymore, and Lafleur, who was before Arthur Smith.
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  Speaker 4: I think, yep, right, yeah, so coordinators.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, they had two really good offensive coordinators coaching jobs
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  Speaker 5: and they and they were able to get a lot
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  Speaker 5: out of Tannehill. I have no illusions about Ryan Tannehill.
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  Speaker 5: He's not that level of quarterback. They made him look
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  Speaker 5: that good kind of, you know, similar to like Tua
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  Speaker 5: with Mike McDaniel. You know, I don't think Tua is
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  Speaker 5: one of the best quarterbacks in football, but his numbers
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  Speaker 5: would suggest that he is just like Tannehill, that year,
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  Speaker 5: So that would be my concern. You know, can he
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  Speaker 5: find you know, is is it Josh McDaniels, Is he
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  Speaker 5: the offensive coordinator? Is it Tommy who a lot of
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  Speaker 5: people say that he's tight with from Cleveland. I don't
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  Speaker 5: know who that guy is, but will that guy get
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  Speaker 5: the most out of Drake May?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, I just worry if it's Rabel McDaniels,
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  Speaker 9: which seems like a popular ticket right now. That's that's
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  Speaker 9: the sounds of it. It's old school, like it's two
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  Speaker 9: guys that are gonna sort of run the systems that
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  Speaker 9: they've been running for twenty years.
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  Speaker 4: And but you said, how do you know that? How
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  Speaker 4: do you know that they don't adapt? You know that
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  Speaker 4: Josh McDaniel hasn't been paying attention to, you know, the
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  Speaker 4: modern offense in NFL and can't adapt.
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  Speaker 9: Allowed to happen. I got to see it to believe it.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, he's did what he did last year with
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  Speaker 9: the Raiders, like it it was just last year. So
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  Speaker 9: like I guess like he could have adapted. Sure, I
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  Speaker 9: guess I'll allow for that. I just I don't imagine
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  Speaker 9: that it will adapt significantly. Like, I don't think that
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  Speaker 9: they're all of a sudden going to come out with
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  Speaker 9: like a Cliff Kingsbury offense with Josh McDaniels as their
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  Speaker 9: offensive coordinator. So you just look at those two, that pairing,
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  Speaker 9: and just in general with Rabel, Yeah, I think he
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  Speaker 9: would be a really good coach. Do I do? I
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  Speaker 9: know that he's a home run head coach higher I
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  Speaker 9: don't know Ben Johnson, I have no idea what he is.
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  Speaker 9: He's kind of a mystery box. But if it hits,
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  Speaker 9: he's going to be the next Shanahan, the next McVeigh.
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  Speaker 9: You know, he's going to be on that level, right,
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  Speaker 9: and they're going to have a real I'm.
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  Speaker 5: A little with Mike because because I like Mike Rabels
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  Speaker 5: so much, I'm trying to sort of stay impartial, trying
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  Speaker 5: to like make it level for everybody.
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  Speaker 4: So I was, I.
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  Speaker 5: Mean, I think Mike Rabel is a really good coach,
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  Speaker 5: and I like him a lot.
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  Speaker 4: So it's just.
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  Speaker 6: Like, and I know, I went on, I ran about
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  Speaker 6: why do we have to change everything? But there's also
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  Speaker 6: just something appealing about let's get a fresh of breath hairing,
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  Speaker 6: you know, a bresh of breath, of a brush of
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  Speaker 6: fresh a breath of fresh air, and you know in
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  Speaker 6: the in the in the team, and I mean as
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  Speaker 6: much as Girard was new, it was you know, still
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  Speaker 6: a lot of the same carry over the defensive side
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  Speaker 6: of the ball. You feel like Ben Johnson comes in,
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  Speaker 6: it's not going to be some Patriots retreads coming back.
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  Speaker 6: One more point I just make though, and we've talked
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  Speaker 6: about this with Josh, is that we talked about it
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  Speaker 6: all summer about a VP making the center, makes the
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  Speaker 6: line calls. I mean, Josh puts so much on the quarterback.
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  Speaker 6: So you know, for better or worse, that's Drake May's
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  Speaker 6: year two is you're gonna put him in school with
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  Speaker 6: Josh McDaniels. I mean, it worked pretty well with Mac
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  Speaker 6: Jones out of the gate. You know, maybe it can work,
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  Speaker 6: but I just think that's a significant transition that you're
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  Speaker 6: gonna put Drake.
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  Speaker 5: So you had a question, you know at the start,
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  Speaker 5: I can't let that go. Go go ahead ahead, no,
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  Speaker 5: go ahead, No, I.
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  Speaker 4: Can't let that go when you say it works so
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  Speaker 4: well with Jo With Mac Jones out of the gate,
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  Speaker 4: they freaking coddled him. He didn't throw into the end
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  Speaker 4: zone until like week six or seven. Like I don't
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  Speaker 4: want that. It h I don't want that. That's to me,
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  Speaker 4: that's not working.
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  Speaker 7: But they went to the playoffs.
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  Speaker 4: I mean they did go to the pay.
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  Speaker 5: Because of your because I think your offense was very
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  Speaker 5: good and certainly in the second half of the season,
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  Speaker 5: your offense was flat out Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: If that's if that's working well, then I'm not at
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  Speaker 4: but don't care.
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  Speaker 7: Even won eight games the last two years. I mean
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  Speaker 7: that season was terribly just as terrible.
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  Speaker 4: I hear you. But they didn't do it because of
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  Speaker 4: quarterback play that first year. But I think Josh proved
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  Speaker 4: that they did it because he didn't make it.
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  Speaker 6: It would be better without better than.
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  Speaker 5: Mac Jones, I do so maybe he'd be better with that, not.
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  Speaker 4: That, not with that type of style, not what they
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  Speaker 4: did that first Why does it have.
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  Speaker 5: To be the same style. But maybe they did that.
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  Speaker 4: Because that's if he's going to point to that style
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  Speaker 4: is it worked pretty well? And I'm not on board.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not on board now as Fred is seeing my
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  Speaker 4: side of the street here like where I.
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  Speaker 5: Was Mike and Fred's first start, it was and.
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  Speaker 9: It was beautiful. I saw some real growth over there.
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  Speaker 9: That was great. If you're going to bring Josh McDaniels back.
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  Speaker 9: I know we're getting way ahead of ourselves, but if
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  Speaker 9: it's rable with Josh McDaniels, then you're talking about two back,
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  Speaker 9: bring the full, bring Yaka Johnson back.
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  Speaker 4: I'm on board that that are you know we're.
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  Speaker 9: Going to be under center. Yeah, like we're just that.
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  Speaker 9: That's what I'm worried about. I don't want to go
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  Speaker 9: in that direction. You have a quarterback in Drake May
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  Speaker 9: who can put, you know, the game on his shoulders,
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  Speaker 9: who has the talent to be better than that, to
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  Speaker 9: be better than coddled mac Jones's rookie season. They shouldn't
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  Speaker 9: be that, So I'm I'm willing to allow them to
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  Speaker 9: surprise me. I just I worry about that with Frabel.
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  Speaker 9: I don't want to win game seventeen to fourteen.
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  Speaker 5: Like you had your first your first question that you
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  Speaker 5: asked us is what would our preference be, like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: sort of the experience coach with with gravitas of you know,
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  Speaker 5: having some success as a head coach, or you know,
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  Speaker 5: the new guy first year, And my preference would be
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  Speaker 5: kind of the new guy, because I think the best
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  Speaker 5: coaches in the league right now are first year of coaches,
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  Speaker 5: but first time.
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  Speaker 4: Coaches yep, but with an offensive background.
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  Speaker 5: But I need but yes, But I also before I,
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to just blindly say, well, Ben Johnson
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  Speaker 5: is the answer to that question, because I don't know
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  Speaker 5: what Ben Johnson wants to do. I don't know who
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  Speaker 5: he wants to bring. I would like to compare Mike
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  Speaker 5: Rabel with let's just say, for argument's sake, Josh McDaniels
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  Speaker 5: and Patrick Graham. It's just another random defensive coordinator who's available,
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  Speaker 5: you know, Robert Salah, you know, as opposed to Ben
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  Speaker 5: Johnson and guys I don't have no idea who they
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  Speaker 5: are because that's all he has. Right then, maybe I
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  Speaker 5: would lean to Rabel with the experience, and you know,
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  Speaker 5: I think he'll like to Evans point, I think that
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  Speaker 5: that floor kind of rises a little bit. Maybe the
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  Speaker 5: ceiling's not quite as high. But if I could get
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  Speaker 5: Ben Johnson, and Ben Johnson has this clear plan, like
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: you know, this is not something I've taken lightly. I've
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: been thinking about being a head coach for the last
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: three years, and I have the makings of what I
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: have thought of being my staff. And this guy's going
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: to run my office mentioned this guy, you know, maybe
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: a little bit of an experienced guy that we don't
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: know what connection between Ben Johnson and a defensive coordinator,
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: then I would rather have that.
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah. A lot of people have done unknown Yeah, a
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: lot of people have done the pieces on you know,
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: records of first time head coaches, you know, but has
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: anyone done a piece on second time around coaches and
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: whether or not they improved or how they improved the
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: second time around?
• 16:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 16:52
  Speaker 9: Probably, I don't know.
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: I mean, I guess Andy read would Ptty be a
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: pretty good one, right, Andy Reid and Bill Belichick?
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Belichick, Pete Carroll, Pete.
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: Carroll, not his second time, his third time, well.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: Third time, but like he improved. In other words, like
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: the more you do it, the more you you know,
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: if you're going to be a good coach, you do learn.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: And you know, it's sort of like with the quarterbacks,
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: ruining a quarterback, well, no, if he's going to be good,
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: like he'll eventually be good. And maybe it's the same
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: thing with these coaches. Given the opportunity, if they're if
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: they're really good coaches, if they're given the opportunity, they
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: will grow into being a good coach, and it's like what.
• 17:30
  Speaker 7: They thought was your odds?
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: Maybe yeah, maybe maybe I just looked like, can you
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: I'm just going to do this exercise with you? We
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: would We were joking around Mike and Evan and I.
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: Off the top of your head. Don't there's no right
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: or wrong answers, and don't give it a whole lot
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: of thought. But give me, like your five or so,
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: what you think are the best coaches in the league
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: right now, right now? So Andy Reid, Andy redou would
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: be the one that.
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: I think you would start with, you know McVeigh. Okay,
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: I would say, uh, well, you know it's you gotta
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: throw dan Quinn in there. But I mean, I don't.
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: Know like dan Quinn.
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: I mean Dan Campbell, Dan Campbell. Okay, no, but who's
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: the current coach of the Commanders dan Quinn? Dan Quinn.
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: Certain they wouldn't put him on the list, but well.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: No, but he's your list. But said, there's no right
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: or wrong.
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: I said, I just said, I broke my own. Guy
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: who broke my.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: He's done it before and maybe he's learned.
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: You intentionally did that. But that's okay, you know, maybe
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: little intellectual dishonesty there because I think that most people
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: would like rattle off Andy Reid, Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan,
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: Kevin O'Connell, Mike Tomlin, John Harbaugh.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: I think those were they finished yet.
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: I think those would be the guys that would most
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: come to mind. But long before Dan Quinn and all that,
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: and all those guys other than Andy Reid, a first
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: time head coach.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: No, but I was also thinking about guys who have
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: done it before and now had another opportunity.
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: Dan Quinn is a guy. That's why I said, I
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: thought you would be in a little intellectually, so I
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: think I was thinking of a guy.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: I was thinking of the guy the commanders. You know.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: You said Dan Campbell, and I said, yeah, that he
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: would be in the list too. But all those guys
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: you listed are the good coaches in the NFL.
• 19:09
  Speaker 9: Is hard.
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: I think people would just hell bent on can't be
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: another first time It's.
• 19:13
  Speaker 9: Such a disingenuous argument because the first time head coach
• 19:17
  Speaker 9: they just hired was not ready or experienced.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: Enough to take It's not a fair comparison.
• 19:21
  Speaker 9: You know, Ben Johnson has been running an offense for
• 19:24
  Speaker 9: multiple years and has known that he is on this
• 19:26
  Speaker 9: track for three cycles now, so like he's been planning.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: And I like the fact that he didn't jump last
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: year when he could have.
• 19:34
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean he left Washington kind of at the altar.
• 19:37
  Speaker 9: It was that was very very close to being done
• 19:40
  Speaker 9: in Washington, but yeah, he went back.
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: There's news about him. By the way, Ben Johnson is
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: going to be intervening with Jacksonville.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Jacksonville speaking of news on him one of your shows
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: this morning. Uh, they were saying that he the word is,
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: he's kind of bizarre, like he kind of had.
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: I've never I don't think I've ever seen the guy talk.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like he has. He interviews weirdly, you know, like
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: he's a different he's kind of.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: Strange, like Mike McDaniel.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, probably, I don't know. I don't know what
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: I didn't know.
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: I don't know. I've never seen him.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: They didn't go to anyone.
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: He's a quirky guy.
• 20:21
  Speaker 9: I don't think that that's necessarily accurate. But he he
• 20:26
  Speaker 9: loves ball like he's he's a junkie, Like he's not.
• 20:30
  Speaker 9: I wouldn't say he's mister personality like I I don't.
• 20:33
  Speaker 9: He doesn't come across to me. I watch a lot
• 20:35
  Speaker 9: of his his in the press conferences just because I
• 20:38
  Speaker 9: like the guy and he doesn't come across as super
• 20:41
  Speaker 9: personable or or you know, fun, to be honest with you,
• 20:45
  Speaker 9: like he's as serious ball nowhere as we like to
• 20:49
  Speaker 9: call him. You know, he's in the factory all the time,
• 20:53
  Speaker 9: like he's not. He's I think that he instills a
• 21:00
  Speaker 9: lot of confidence in his players. I don't know if
• 21:04
  Speaker 9: he's necessarily going to get to the front of the
• 21:06
  Speaker 9: room and be the raw ra guy that gets the
• 21:08
  Speaker 9: troops going.
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: That's the head coach's job there.
• 21:11
  Speaker 9: But I think he puts players in such a position
• 21:15
  Speaker 9: to succeed that they have a lot of confidence that
• 21:19
  Speaker 9: their plans, their their you know, playbook, everything is going
• 21:23
  Speaker 9: to be top, top notch, and so you're going to
• 21:25
  Speaker 9: get good results.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: Well, it's this is going to be fascinating. Where does
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: Rabel end up, Where does Ben Johnson end up? Who
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: the Patriots end up with?
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: And there's gonna be other guys that we're going to
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: find out that they're going to interview too. Yeah, but
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: those are the only two that we know of right now. Yeah,
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: but there's definitely going to be more guys that.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: Are well, there has to be, but there will be anyway.
• 21:46
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Yeah, there's a couple of other names that I
• 21:48
  Speaker 9: think will definitely be of interest. You know, Joe Brady
• 21:51
  Speaker 9: with Buffalo is maybe a year or two soon. France. Yeah,
• 21:55
  Speaker 9: he's already getting some buzz and he's one of the
• 21:58
  Speaker 9: best play designers on the offensive side of the ball
• 22:00
  Speaker 9: in the league. So another one of these offensive whiz
• 22:02
  Speaker 9: kids that's going to be a head coach. And I
• 22:05
  Speaker 9: would just throw out because Elliot Wolf's involvement currently in
• 22:08
  Speaker 9: this process. Adam Stenovich with Green Bay is their offensive
• 22:12
  Speaker 9: coordinator under the floor. He is their run game coordinator.
• 22:16
  Speaker 9: He's responsible for all their running schemes and all things
• 22:19
  Speaker 9: like that, coordinatefense. And so he's obviously got tied to
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: the Packers in the Green Bay Way and all that
• 22:27
  Speaker 9: kind of stuff. And he has been stamped sealed by
• 22:31
  Speaker 9: Lafloor multiple times saying that this guy is ready to
• 22:35
  Speaker 9: be He's the game coordinator, he's the offensive coordinator, but
• 22:39
  Speaker 9: he designs their entire.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: Charactercause I was wondering, like if he was just run coordinator,
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: if bringing if A could hire him as an OC promotion.
• 22:48
  Speaker 9: I thought of that and unfortunately no. And I think
• 22:52
  Speaker 9: one thing about the league rules when it comes to that,
• 22:54
  Speaker 9: just quickly, if you're not the play caller, I feel
• 22:58
  Speaker 9: like that should be a designation on the job because
• 23:00
  Speaker 9: you know, you can't make the lateral movements really hard, right,
• 23:03
  Speaker 9: But if you're not the play caller, that's a big thing.
• 23:06
  Speaker 9: And so if you're going to be Adam Stenovich and
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: you want to get out underneath la Floor's shadow and
• 23:11
  Speaker 9: go call play someplace to help your resume, you should
• 23:14
  Speaker 9: be able to do that without having to.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: Get That should be considered a promotion.
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: Correct.
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's not to your point yesterday, like you're
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: an offensive coordinator in name only, right, You're not calling
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: the place, right?
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: Do you guys think that the architect based.
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: On neither was Lafleur. But I'm not gonna argue with
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: you anymore.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: About he's not the architect of the offense.
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: Of that offense.
• 23:35
  Speaker 9: No, they your offense, well it's the Shanahan Tree offense.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Sure, okay, but within that ye team.
• 23:44
  Speaker 9: But their run the play calls, yeah, and their run
• 23:47
  Speaker 9: game is fantastic and apparently, according to lafort end Of
• 23:50
  Speaker 9: it used to play offensive line in the NFL. So
• 23:53
  Speaker 9: according to la Floor, it's all him. I don't know
• 23:55
  Speaker 9: if that's just him trying to gast him up.
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: What do you think of non skilled position guys as
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: offensive coordinators? I'm against it. I don't want TJ running
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: my offense. I'm sorry.
• 24:05
  Speaker 10: Uh.
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: One thing I thought was interesting from that field thing
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: that was the Elliott Wolf report that you know, would
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: be kind of open to like Wolf maybe moving around
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: a little bit. And I just wondered, you know, do
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: you think that there's a possibility that a GM might come?
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: And I mean, is that does that not exist?
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: Does that's a strong.
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: Like an executive vice president of player personnel can exist
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: with a GM above him? Like is that an easy
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: kind of swap in or is that?
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: I think anything's possible, but it's going to be it's
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: going to be up to the new new coach.
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: I agree with Fred.
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: That's why I thought the Phil report was that was
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: the biggest question we had coming out of Roberts press
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: conference yesterday, and then immediately to come out and be like, no, no,
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: it's you know, it's going to be the head coach is
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: going to have a big input into how the front
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: office is structured. I think that, you know, calm some
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: of the masses that were up in arms a little
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: bit about Yeah.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: I mean we've always had that discussion, not just us,
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: but everybody, like should it be the GM hiring the
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: coach or the coach having to say over the GM,
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: you know, like who's more important? I think most of
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: the time it comes down to the coach, Like very
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: rarely you have a GM who is so strong that,
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: like you would say, we got to have this GM
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: no matter who our coach is.
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: I think that And it's funny like that, Yeah, because
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: there's no way to doing it Around the league, there's
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: different structures. I mean, there's been a lot the last
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: twenty four hours about Trent Balke and how somehow he
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: keeps surviving. Yeah, you know, the coaches keep going. This
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: is two different places now San Francisco in Jacksonville. Yeah,
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: the coaches go and he finds a way to stay.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: I think that's kind of rare.
• 25:35
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I just wonder, and I don't think that Ben
• 25:38
  Speaker 9: Johnson would fit this category. But if it is frable,
• 25:41
  Speaker 9: do you give Rabel power over the roster and not
• 25:45
  Speaker 9: necessarily full personnel power, Like you're still going to have
• 25:49
  Speaker 9: an Elliott Wolf figure that's technically putting the board, the
• 25:52
  Speaker 9: draft board together and doing all the scouting and all
• 25:55
  Speaker 9: that kind of stuff. But you know, this is this
• 25:57
  Speaker 9: setup in a lot of places. You know, Kyle Shanahan,
• 25:59
  Speaker 9: Andy Reid, Pete Carroll was Seattle before he got you know,
• 26:03
  Speaker 9: fired there, Like those guys technically have control the fifty
• 26:07
  Speaker 9: three man roster. And maybe that's what the Patriots would
• 26:10
  Speaker 9: do with Rabel and give him a personnel guy to
• 26:12
  Speaker 9: kind of do the legwork so.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: That yeah, you know, at the time of the higher
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: but that's how I would want to set it up.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: If you don't want to give if you were the coach.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, if I were an organization, if I were Belichick,
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: like I understand, maybe you don't want the Elichick model
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: where there's one almighty voice like above everybody no matter what. Okay,
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: you don't want to have one guy with all the power.
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: That's the way to me to split the baby, you know,
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: as you guys do when you're making your picks every
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: every Thursday. Like, have a guy who's in charge of
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: the draft and he's he's running the draft and he's
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: you know, negotiating with free agents and whatnot. He's acquiring
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: the talent. But you got to let your coach coach
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: the players, and you got to let your coach decide
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: who's on the team and who's not.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: And I think I think there has to be somebody
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: that has final say, but I think almost kind of
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: it was better back in the day here when Pioli
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: was here, because Pioli was a strong voice, and obviously
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: Bill had final say, but I think there were times
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: where Pioli would emphatically make his case and be able
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: to sway Bill, and like they said, sometimes we just
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: decided we're going to table this and move on because
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: Pioli just wouldn't give in. And so I think it's important,
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: whoever the head coach is, to have a guy in
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: personnel that he trusts, whose opinion he values, so they
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: can have these arguments.
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, which is why I think it's important that what
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: Robert said yesterday I think is important. I hope, and
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: that I hope that is the plan. You know what
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: the head coach wants. Yeah, he will have input on
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: on that. Yeah, that's you know, that's the best.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: Way to do it. These guys, believe me, in every
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: team they have arguments, not down drag out arguments. But
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: as long as everybody's respectful, they value each other's opinion
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: and there's trust, you can have those arguments and then
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: move on.
• 28:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: You know, it's like Lincoln's cabinet, you know, team of rivals.
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: He hired a lot of people that went ran against him.
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: He wanted people with opposing viewpoints to you know, make sure.
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: I mean that's something we obviously now that you god,
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: I know, sorry, I'm reading a civil war book right now.
• 28:21
  Speaker 9: He's really big into like eighteen hundred.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: I went to university, guy, can you just lower the
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: intellect a little bit?
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: Sorry, I couldn't help. I couldn't help, but it but
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: it did remind me of that, And I mean, I
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: think that's you know, good organizational management. You want people
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: with different point of view, somebody you know, who's going
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: to push back against you. I think it was one
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: of the things we talked about with Bill. And you know, when,
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: like you said, Fred, when Pioli, guys like Poli left,
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: when you know, probably even into the coaching when Scarneckia left,
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: and you know, there just wasn't strong personalities to come
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: up with ideas to push back by all this kind of.
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: Thing, because I do think with Poli there was there
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: was the ultimate amount of pushback, and I think Cassario
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: pushed back to not to the extent that Pioli did,
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: and it gradually got you know, as each guy was
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: in that job and left, I think there was less
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: and less pushback.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: And you know, Belichick was asked a couple times a
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: few times about it, do you have enough people around
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: you that pushed back? And each time he would pause,
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: you know, I may not. I think I remember him
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: saying once, well, that was a.
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: Big part of the Halberstam book too, is I mean
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: he really made a point to highlight that, and early
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: I mean that was you know, written about one to
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: literary I just got two to David Howards down right,
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: I know, but that was that was one of my
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: key takeaways from that That whole book was you know,
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: because there's so much and I think, you know, we
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: can probably get into more of a discussion as Belichick
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: went on, if it became more of just him driving
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: the bus, But at least in those early years, what
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: they were looking to highlight were I mean, look, Charlie Romeo,
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: I mean, just all the experience Brad Seely. I mean,
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: all those guys were experienced coaches and I and I
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: also just it makes me think back to when we
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: were just talking, you know about about the Lions guy,
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: she's Ben Tim Johnson, that when you get these new coaches,
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: they're gonna put some new coaches into positions that they
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: might not be ready.
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: Like, it's not to me as easy. Do you want
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: Ben Johnson or do you want Mike Rabel? Right, And
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: it's the same thing when Bill came, just those two,
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: I probably would choose Ben Johnson. But if it's if
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: it's Mike Rabel and his pro program, right, you're gonna
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: get Likelick coming in in two thousand and two thousand
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: and one, where he's got a lot of established coaches.
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: Joining the staff, experienced guys, keeping guys around like you know,
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: Scarnecki and stuff. So it's just interesting two different paths
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: that they could kind of choose to go. I think
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: they're going to go Rabel.
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: That that settles.
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: Like just looking at my shows right now, they're showing
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: like a little collage of Raabel clips, I just I'm
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: already envisioning him just sort of going to battle with
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: us in the press conferences.
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: I can't wait.
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: It's going to be so like those are the first
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: time to get snapped out.
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: I mean it might even be Ben Johnson too. Like
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: Ben Johnson, I might have no time for any of
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: the like.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: Could be with him too. I don't I don't think
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: I've ever seen Ben Johnson stop. He just gave me laugh.
• 31:09
  Speaker 9: There's no doubt that, you know. David Andrews was talking
• 31:13
  Speaker 9: at his locker yesterday and said someone asked him what
• 31:16
  Speaker 9: needs to change around here, and he said, we need
• 31:20
  Speaker 9: to reinstill the winning culture. You know that we've lost
• 31:23
  Speaker 9: the winning culture. And then so there's some kind of asking.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: You know how you do that? You win?
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, same way to get fast players.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 31:30
  Speaker 9: But I think the important thing that he that he
• 31:32
  Speaker 9: did point out was that he said a lot of
• 31:35
  Speaker 9: the guys on the team now haven't won at a
• 31:39
  Speaker 9: very high level like he did, or like you know,
• 31:42
  Speaker 9: some of the older veterans have, so a lot of
• 31:44
  Speaker 9: those guys have never experienced. I know, it's not a
• 31:48
  Speaker 9: good thing, right, And so you know, with Rabel, I
• 31:51
  Speaker 9: do think you get that immediately or this is a
• 31:53
  Speaker 9: coach that has succeeded as a coach as a player,
• 31:57
  Speaker 9: and you just sort of bring up.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: A good point because you know, when talking about free agency,
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: obviously our minds go to who will be the star
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: free agents, who are the impact players you can bring in?
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: But I think just as importantly is bringing in some
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: guys at a lower level, but maybe who have won, Yeah,
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: so they can come in there with that type of
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: background and you know, talk to the younger guys like, oh,
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: I've won. You haven't listen to what I'm telling you.
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: And those are hard to are hard to get, yeah,
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: because obviously if there's a guy with it, you know,
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: maybe maybe a guy who's not going to break the
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: bank in free agency, a lot of teams would be
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: interested in him and they and they're all looking for
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: culture guys, So what is what do you have that's
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: making you stand out?
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: Rabel to me seems like the ultimate football guy respect
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: like a lot of the players that played under Taylor
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: Luwan being one, like you. You see how he interacts
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: with players, and like I know Mayo played too, but
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: like there's something about Rabel and edge that he has
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: and also kind of the size he has that I
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: think just instantly earns the respect to those guys and
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: I think they all love that he's a ball buster.
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: They know that he can talk to talk and and
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: you know, have some fun with them too, and you know,
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: in a cutting way.
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: There's a a clip on YouTube, I believe, and it's
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: from the Titans, and it's one of their team meetings.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: One of the players was was really good at impressions,
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: and he did an impression of Rabel. Rabel's in the
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: room and just busting and it was so funny. I
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: would advise anyone to Yeah, Rabel was cracking up too,
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: but he had Rabel down perfectly, and all the players
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: were just falling.
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: And he put on the pads and your total heart.
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: You know, I love, I love, love love.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: I gotta find that again.
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: I want to see. We gotta find it. We can
• 33:43
  Speaker 7: find it.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: It's it's from the Titans. You know, look up like
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: Titans player, you know, uh, impression of Mike Rabel. It's
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: hysterical and it's spot on. You know. So the players
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: there like they knew he was a ball buster, and
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: they give it and.
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: Take it, and you know that's how they how they operate.
• 34:03
  Speaker 7: And I just I think he brings you.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, not a lot of people got away with that him. Yeah,
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: he was another one.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna do it.
• 34:12
  Speaker 7: I wanna bring up a third book. I read the
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: Brusky book, and I mean Bruskey didn't like him like
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: Brusk talking about this one that was a real book.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: Now this one.
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: I actually read this one, I actually, but he didn't
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: like verb.
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: They didn't really along.
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: They got along.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: Will made fun of Bruski after he had a stroke, so.
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: That was the falling out. They got along tremendously well.
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: And then Rabel there was nothing. That's a perfect example.
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: There was nothing off limits. Teddy had his stroke and
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: Rabel used to make fun of him for having a
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: stroke and didn't you know careful And that caused a
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: big rift in their relationship for a while. I think
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: it's since been imagine that.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I found the video for it, but it's got a
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: lot of f bums and you want to play.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, we can't do that, Okay, I mean you don't.
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: We can't do that everywhere.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: I guess not.
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: I'm saving you from yourself.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: Okay. I was gonna say we could tell everyone ear muffs,
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: and then all right, we won't. We won't do that,
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: but maybe we'll put the link in the newsletter for Alex.
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, my god, you can't just find drop bombs us.
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: We could do, I know we can. It's really fun.
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: It's too bad. But if you do want to get
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: that newsletter, go to Patriots dot com slash pu Newsletter,
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: sign up for it. You'll get the link. So there
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: you go.
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: It's like, I'm gonna look at that.
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's hystericy too.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: You brought up David Andrews. Sounds like a guy who's
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: coming back next year.
• 35:46
  Speaker 9: Yeah, he said he wants to play through twenty twenty seven.
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: He said he's planning on coming until they take his
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: key card.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Well that's that's good because he's a guy
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: who kind of thought about retiring, wasn't he.
• 35:58
  Speaker 9: The injury, Yeah, made him think about it, I think.
• 36:02
  Speaker 9: But we'll see.
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: It's pretty optimistic for a guy when he was having
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: the surgery, like, this is to give me a chance
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: to yeah back right.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: So so let me ask you. You know, we're gonna
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: get down to the offensive rabbit hole. Offensive line rabbit
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: hole here we do. So let's just say David Andrews
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: comes back, he's healthy, he's your center. Yeah, cold strange
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: goes to a guard yep, and when you still under contract. Yeah,
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: are we now only filling too Well.
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: That's what your hope is, Well, that's what I'm asking.
• 36:28
  Speaker 9: Yeah, So you know we've had it's interesting conversation about
• 36:31
  Speaker 9: left guard. I mean, right you got to keep on
• 36:33
  Speaker 9: one who at right guard and stop messing with it
• 36:35
  Speaker 9: like he's a right guard.
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: You know you paid him at it totally.
• 36:38
  Speaker 9: You paid him. It's fine, You're gonna have an expensive
• 36:41
  Speaker 9: right guard. It is what it is. Left guard is
• 36:43
  Speaker 9: a position that between Laden Robinson and Cole Strange. You
• 36:47
  Speaker 9: should be able to fill that internally. You should not
• 36:50
  Speaker 9: have to spend more resources to go out and spend
• 36:53
  Speaker 9: more money or draft capital on a guard. You know
• 36:56
  Speaker 9: a lot of Trey Smith is a is a name
• 36:58
  Speaker 9: from the Chiefs that gets kicked around a lot because
• 37:00
  Speaker 9: he's gonna be one of the top free agents. I'm
• 37:02
  Speaker 9: not paying two guards forty million dollars combined. That's to
• 37:06
  Speaker 9: me crazy. So yeah, I think in theory you hope
• 37:10
  Speaker 9: that you're filling the tackle spots. I'm not ready to
• 37:12
  Speaker 9: put Kyden Wallace in any sort of starting position yet,
• 37:16
  Speaker 9: so I think you're you're really thinking about both tackle spots.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: I mean, I'd like an honest assessment, and I'm not
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: the one to do it. Is how good is David
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: anders falling off? Is he still at the top of
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: his and he's still like, you know, And because in
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: that regard, I'm not sure. I'm really not sure, And
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: I might say, let's keep Cole Strange at center and
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: maybe this is kind of more of a competition thing,
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: and maybe we get to camp and David Andrews realizes
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: my shoulders aren't quite there yet, or you know, I
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: know he was hurt this year, but some of the
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: film that he put up was was you.
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: Know, I agree with you in that he might not
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: physically be able to do it. I mean, it's it's easy.
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: Right now, he's probably feeling a little bit better, and
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: it's easy to just say, Okay, I'm gonna pencil him
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: in at center. I do think that they need to
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: figure out first of all, they can't go into another
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: season with no backup center. Okay, is Ben Brown the
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: backup center?
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: Exclusive rights free agent? I'd grab him for camp.
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: Do they need to do more than that? I would
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: say yes. So to Mike's point, it's easy to say
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: David Andrews is the center, col strangers the guard, but
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: you still need some more options because I didn't see
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: anything on the rookies last year to say like, oh,
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: we don't have to worry about it because we have
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah Robinson.
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: And it seemed like though the whole coaching staff was
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: talking about Cole strange is like we see him as
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: a center.
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: Like I just wonder.
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: I know a new coaching staff might be coming in,
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: but can he still play guard? Do teams, you know,
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: do they still think he can be that guy?
• 38:42
  Speaker 9: I'm with you on David Andrews. I don't. I think
• 38:45
  Speaker 9: you could hope that he's going to come back and
• 38:47
  Speaker 9: be David Andrews. But I thought that there was a
• 38:49
  Speaker 9: little bit of a drop off already hitting in twenty three,
• 38:52
  Speaker 9: and then in twenty four at the beginning of the
• 38:54
  Speaker 9: year there was there's that drop off, especially in past
• 38:56
  Speaker 9: protection still exist and then the injury happens. I don't
• 39:01
  Speaker 9: think that it's crazy to say, what's our contingency point?
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: So let me ask you a question, other than the
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: actual snapping of the ball, what would make a coach
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: say about a guard, I see him as a center.
• 39:12
  Speaker 9: It has to do a lot I think with you know,
• 39:15
  Speaker 9: the ability to block guys right over you. So at center,
• 39:19
  Speaker 9: you're a lot of the time you're uncovered on the
• 39:21
  Speaker 9: line of scrimmage, so you're not going to have somebody
• 39:23
  Speaker 9: that's right over you on the line, whereas at guard
• 39:26
  Speaker 9: you do, so those those car crashes happen quickly. If
• 39:29
  Speaker 9: he doesn't have the play strength to move those guys,
• 39:31
  Speaker 9: then it's harder to play guard than it is to
• 39:33
  Speaker 9: play center. Usually you can get away with being a
• 39:35
  Speaker 9: little bit more undersized in a thinner sense.
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but if you're a guy that doesn't have the
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: play strength, then all of a sudden, if I'm a
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: defensive coordinator, I'm lining up a guy over you because
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: you don't have play strength.
• 39:47
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean that that would be the smart thing
• 39:48
  Speaker 9: to do, if you're like a Bill Belichick game planner, right,
• 39:51
  Speaker 9: you would do something like that. But a lot of
• 39:53
  Speaker 9: teams play fronts where they're shaded or they're playing overfronts
• 39:56
  Speaker 9: where they don't have somebody directly over the center, like
• 39:59
  Speaker 9: a nose tackle, like a Vince Wilfork, you know type
• 40:01
  Speaker 9: nose tackles, So that position, the nose tackle straight up
• 40:05
  Speaker 9: zero technique doesn't exist as much in the league as
• 40:08
  Speaker 9: it did ten to fifteen years ago. A lot of
• 40:10
  Speaker 9: teams now put guys in the gaps to try to
• 40:13
  Speaker 9: knife into the line of scrimmage instead. So you would
• 40:16
  Speaker 9: think in theory that playing center it would be easier
• 40:20
  Speaker 9: in terms of making up for the lack of play
• 40:22
  Speaker 9: strength or mass on his frame.
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: Would it be fair to say that the difference between
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: playing centering guard is smaller than the difference between playing
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: guard and tackle. Oh, I would say, in a difference
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: in what respect, like it's harder to you know, to
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: go from guard to tackle than it would be from
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: guard to center.
• 40:38
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think the I would say, yes, you know,
• 40:41
  Speaker 9: the biggest difference obviously is just the space that you're blocking.
• 40:44
  Speaker 9: With right I tackle, you're in a lot more space,
• 40:47
  Speaker 9: and there's a lot more space between you and the
• 40:49
  Speaker 9: in the rusher most of the time as well, so
• 40:51
  Speaker 9: you're kind of dancing out there, whereas at guard and
• 40:54
  Speaker 9: centered in the interior, those things happen really really quickly.
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: I would also say you're dealing with much better.
• 40:59
  Speaker 11: Athletes for the most outside a report, We've got a
• 41:03
  Speaker 11: report out there.
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: Byron Leftwich to interview for Patriots.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: I haven't heard in a while former quarterbacks Tampa.
• 41:15
  Speaker 9: I don't think he's I think he's out of coaching
• 41:18
  Speaker 9: right now. Okay, so that one can happen right away,
• 41:21
  Speaker 9: which might be part of it.
• 41:24
  Speaker 7: Okay, moving quick.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: All right? Eight five five pass five hundred. Is the
• 41:28
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• 41:33
  Speaker 4: Let's open up the phones. We'll start with Patty and Agawam.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: What's up, Patty?
• 41:41
  Speaker 12: Take it afternoon, gentlemen. I just wanted to go over
• 41:46
  Speaker 12: a couple of things. I did have a rant that
• 41:49
  Speaker 12: I wanted to call in on the postgame show about Mayo,
• 41:51
  Speaker 12: but I'm not going to really touch on that other
• 41:55
  Speaker 12: than like I think you know, the right move was made,
• 41:59
  Speaker 12: and I felt like if if they brought him back,
• 42:01
  Speaker 12: just personally, not trying to hurt anyone's feelings personally me
• 42:04
  Speaker 12: as a fan, I felt like it would have been
• 42:05
  Speaker 12: insulted by intelligence as a fan if Craft would have
• 42:08
  Speaker 12: brought him back. And I was all on board after
• 42:11
  Speaker 12: like until the until the bye week. But I heard
• 42:15
  Speaker 12: Pill Perry talk yesterday because I heard you guys bring
• 42:17
  Speaker 12: up like if if Brable does come, is they're going
• 42:20
  Speaker 12: to bring his own personnel guy Elliott Wolf is plated
• 42:23
  Speaker 12: to be on until you know, the end the next
• 42:25
  Speaker 12: season when his contract runs out. But Perry said something
• 42:29
  Speaker 12: about possibly Brave will bring in one of his guys,
• 42:32
  Speaker 12: but just moving Ellie Wolf into a different role. And
• 42:36
  Speaker 12: I wanted to see what you guys thought about that,
• 42:37
  Speaker 12: and I wanted to ask you guys, you hope that
• 42:40
  Speaker 12: we keep guys like probably not gonna happen, but like
• 42:43
  Speaker 12: Brian Belichick Pellegrino, I don't want to go anywhere, and
• 42:48
  Speaker 12: maybe T. C. McCartney too, if they're going to clear
• 42:51
  Speaker 12: house as far as the coordinators go. That's all I got.
• 42:53
  Speaker 12: I'll take it off there, guys.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: Okay, thanks Patty.
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: That's tough.
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: I mean, I also thought with the Perry report, he
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: hit on what we talked about yesterday was that Elliott
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: said we were going to implement a new scouting system,
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: but that they really didn't have a chance to fully
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: implement it till this year and this cycle, so you
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: didn't really see the full fruits of the labor of
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: you know, what they were trying to change in that regard.
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: So but I like that. I just like the report
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: that there's flexibility there. I like Elliott Wolf. I know
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: he didn't have a great first year, but I think
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: he's got the pedigree, he's got the experience, he's got
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: the understanding. I think he's respected around the league. Not
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: a great first year, no question, but we'll see. Well,
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: the new coaching staff maybe that changes a little bit,
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: and he's got a little bit of an interstitial year
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: to you know, figure out where his role is. But
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: I think it's a good message to send, like he
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: doesn't eliminate other people from coming in, being above him,
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: moving him around, But I like keeping him around.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: Well, I think again, it's gonna be up to the
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: new head coach.
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: I want a complete change.
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: You think he you think he can be completely out too.
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: I mean, could the new coach can be like, yeah,
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: that's great, No he's gone.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah I don't Yeah, I don't really have I mean,
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: I'm not gonna cherry pick every single guy because Fred
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: says this all the time, we don't know. I want
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: everybody gone. I want I want the new coach to
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: come in and hopefully have better options. Yeah, because I
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: don't think any element of the team was good last year,
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: So I don't really need to see anybody come back.
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: And that's not fair. That's a blanket statement.
• 44:13
  Speaker 9: It's completely unfair, unfair though, I mean, the proof is
• 44:17
  Speaker 9: in the pudding. I think the biggest thing, though, is
• 44:20
  Speaker 9: that he went into that last offseason preaching the Packer
• 44:23
  Speaker 9: way of draft, develop up and patients and basically tried
• 44:27
  Speaker 9: to execute that. But you knew that that was going
• 44:30
  Speaker 9: to be a multi year process. So as much as
• 44:32
  Speaker 9: you can sit here and say, let's clean house, you
• 44:35
  Speaker 9: know they didn't go out and do what everybody wanted
• 44:38
  Speaker 9: them to do necessarily. And I think some of that
• 44:40
  Speaker 9: had to do with the fact that they wanted to
• 44:42
  Speaker 9: draft and play those young players and try to develop
• 44:45
  Speaker 9: from within, just like the Packers used to do. Now
• 44:48
  Speaker 9: it didn't work, at least for this season.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: So but but you now you start getting into the
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: different layers here. Okay, So the Packag way is draft
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: and develop, who develops the assistant coaches, who's picking the
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: assistant coaches? The coach because Elliott Wolf isn't, so like,
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: you have to work together in order to have that
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: pack away. Whoever's picking the assistant coaches, they have to
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: do it right or else it just doesn't work.
• 45:17
  Speaker 9: You can't develop, Yeah, both of receivers, even a guy
• 45:22
  Speaker 9: like Leyden Robinson, And like, I don't want to put
• 45:24
  Speaker 9: a ton of stock into this tape against the Bills
• 45:27
  Speaker 9: on Sunday, but I thought it was rough for him
• 45:31
  Speaker 9: in the.
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: Real I thought you were going to go the other
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: way that you were saying. I don't want to put
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: a lot of stocking because I know he struggled in
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: a lot of these games since he got back in
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: the starting line.
• 45:39
  Speaker 9: I just don't see it. I think he's got play strength,
• 45:41
  Speaker 9: I think he's got effort. I think he's got finished
• 45:44
  Speaker 9: But in terms of technique, he's got a long long
• 45:46
  Speaker 9: way to go before he's like a solid starter in
• 45:48
  Speaker 9: the NFL. And they had That's a guy that they
• 45:51
  Speaker 9: had healthy all season long to try to work with
• 45:55
  Speaker 9: with Scott Peters and that staff and develop, and I
• 45:58
  Speaker 9: just it's it's fundamental. So it's not necessarily that he
• 46:01
  Speaker 9: doesn't have the ability physically to be a starter in
• 46:04
  Speaker 9: this league. It's hand technique, it's you know, footwork, things
• 46:07
  Speaker 9: like that that are just not there.
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: I knew he would struggle in past protection at times.
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: Talking to Steve Dazio doing his post draft work and
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: when we did the you know, talking to his coaches,
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: he thought he would be really close, pretty close to
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: a play and play kind of guy in the run
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: game though, and I haven't seen that kind of consistency now.
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: I wonder if that has something to do with the
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: stuff that Evan talks about all the time with you know,
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: the gap scheme as opposed to the zone schemes, and
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: maybe he's not as well, you know, suited for one
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: over the other. And maybe the switches back and forth
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: have heard him because I thought he would be sort
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: of a road grading kind of guard, and I don't
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: think we've seen that.
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: That's one of the interesting things to me, both on
• 46:51
  Speaker 6: both sides of the ball, is just new regime comes in.
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: We've talked about it all season long. A lot of
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: these guys on both sides of the ball, they kind
• 46:57
  Speaker 6: of straddle the fence of these two different kind of
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: philosophies of you know, schematically both offense and defensive side
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: of the ball.
• 47:03
  Speaker 7: So, you know, does a new person.
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: Come in and just say, all right, all the you know,
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: all the zone blockers they're gone, or you know, we
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: go on the defensive side of the ball.
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: Our two gappers are gone. You know, like that's just examples.
• 47:14
  Speaker 6: But I just I wonder new guy come in and
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: all of a sudden, we're going to see some significant changes,
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: maybe that you're not expecting right now. But just because
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: this guy comes in, he knows what he wants. Ben
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: Johnson knows what he wants, knows these guys aren't fit
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: what he wants, and he needs to move on.
• 47:27
  Speaker 9: It's a great point because, especially on the offensive line,
• 47:29
  Speaker 9: I thought both Kayden Wallace and Laden Robinson fit more
• 47:32
  Speaker 9: of a downhill gap scheme, you know, bigger, thicker guys
• 47:36
  Speaker 9: that could get downhill, and then they were trying to
• 47:38
  Speaker 9: implement a zone scheme. And I remember talking to Jim
• 47:41
  Speaker 9: Nagy from the Senior Bowl being like, is Leyden Robinson
• 47:44
  Speaker 9: really a fit for what they're trying to do And
• 47:46
  Speaker 9: he was like, you know, he can do it. And
• 47:48
  Speaker 9: I was like, that's not optimistic, so.
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: Like it was just that's really bad from him.
• 47:53
  Speaker 9: Yeah, So it was like kind of a weird combination.
• 47:56
  Speaker 9: I like, Leyden Robinson to me, feels like an old
• 47:59
  Speaker 9: school Belichick guard, like kind of right, you know, smash
• 48:03
  Speaker 9: mouth football. That's not zone like zone. You need athletes
• 48:07
  Speaker 9: you need cold strangers, not Layden Robinson's.
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: So I would just say, you know, with the draft itself,
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: you know, we talked a lot about you know, it
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: doesn't look great. I would still hold out hope for
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: those two offensive linemen because I do think offensive linemen
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: don't always hit the ground running. You know, We've seen
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: a lot of guys sort of struggle. We've seen a
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: lot of left tackles start on the right side because
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: they're not quite ready for the left side. I've seen
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: a lot of different combinations of that, and I just
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: would say with those two guys, they got their feet wet.
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: It wasn't great for either one of them, more so
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: Robinson because Wallace was hurt for and he also had
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: a significant injury, missed a lot of time. I think
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: you're probably fair if you're saying, like, jeez, you know,
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: Polk and Baker don't look great, that's probably fair because
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: I think it's easier to make an impact at that spot.
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: Sometimes the offensive line takes a little while. I wouldn't
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: give up on those.
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: And I would say like, once you get to the pros,
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: veterans have tricks and caginess that they can make an
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: offensive lineman of a rookie look bad because they just
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: have things that you just need to learn from experience.
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: Also, wouldn't discount the absence of David Andrews to help. Yeah,
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: sort of in the middle sp communication, especially for Robinson.
• 49:23
  Speaker 9: Yeah, can we go back to this bar and left
• 49:25
  Speaker 9: which thing for a second. Yeah, sure, because this is uh,
• 49:29
  Speaker 9: this to me like perks up my intennas a little
• 49:31
  Speaker 9: bit because you can interview in person immediately if the
• 49:35
  Speaker 9: person is not employed by a team. That's how Rabel
• 49:39
  Speaker 9: is able to go around and start interviewing already. You
• 49:42
  Speaker 9: have to check off the two interviews with Rooney rule candidates,
• 49:45
  Speaker 9: minority or women candidates. You have to have two of them.
• 49:48
  Speaker 9: You have to have them in person. So he was
• 49:52
  Speaker 9: hanging out. I'm just connecting, doc h. If you have
• 49:55
  Speaker 9: Byron Leftwich in for an in person interview, you have
• 49:58
  Speaker 9: another minority a candidate in for an in person interview.
• 50:01
  Speaker 9: Later this week, you talk to Ben Johnson, you talk
• 50:04
  Speaker 9: to Mike Rabel. You could have Rabel as your head
• 50:06
  Speaker 9: coach by next week. Yeah, you know, and I that's
• 50:09
  Speaker 9: just my opinion. I'm just but when you look at
• 50:13
  Speaker 9: these things, that's that always perks your ears up when
• 50:16
  Speaker 9: they have a guy that hasn't been coaching in two years,
• 50:18
  Speaker 9: all of a sudden he suddenly pops up with an
• 50:20
  Speaker 9: head coaching interview.
• 50:22
  Speaker 7: He's already on the plane right now.
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, might have been here anyway, just visiting stop in. Yeah,
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: Joe's in New Hampshire. Joe Joe good.
• 50:37
  Speaker 10: All right. So I called in last week saying I
• 50:42
  Speaker 10: didn't want Brabel, which I've I've changed my position a
• 50:45
  Speaker 10: little bit. I still prefer Ben Johnson, even though he
• 50:48
  Speaker 10: was mean in a middle school play.
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: We got to report today that's not been confirmed.
• 50:56
  Speaker 10: Even the hearing this news of left Wick coming in
• 50:58
  Speaker 10: for an interview, it like an't said. It kind of
• 51:01
  Speaker 10: purks up my ears as well, because maybe if Rabel's
• 51:06
  Speaker 10: hired as a head coach, maybe you get left which
• 51:08
  Speaker 10: is the O C, which I think has some potential there.
• 51:13
  Speaker 10: I still would rather have an offensive guy as a
• 51:16
  Speaker 10: head coach, just because I feel like the league is
• 51:18
  Speaker 10: trending in offense. We have this young quarterback who should
• 51:21
  Speaker 10: be really attractive to guys like Ben Johnson, Bobby Slow,
• 51:25
  Speaker 10: like other offensive coordinators around the league. I just kind
• 51:30
  Speaker 10: of want to get a little bit of your thoughts
• 51:33
  Speaker 10: as preferring offensive or defensive head coach and the idea
• 51:38
  Speaker 10: of left which may be coming in more so to
• 51:40
  Speaker 10: be the offensive coordinator if Rabel's the choice, and I'll
• 51:44
  Speaker 10: take it off there. Thanks guys.
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: Thanks.
• 51:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I like, I get it. It's an
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: offensive league and that's what's sexy and sells the tickets
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: and gets people butts in seats. I think it's just
• 51:55
  Speaker 6: a special situation though right now with Vrabel, where he's
• 51:57
  Speaker 6: such a unique guide to this organization that doesn't come
• 52:00
  Speaker 6: around very often. I mean, he's, you know, really the
• 52:02
  Speaker 6: one person that came out of the dynasty that's been
• 52:05
  Speaker 6: successful in the coaching ranks. I know he's not part
• 52:07
  Speaker 6: of the Belichick tree, but he was a Belichick player,
• 52:10
  Speaker 6: so I think that's what makes him unique to me,
• 52:11
  Speaker 6: and that's what's intriguing. But I think all the points
• 52:13
  Speaker 6: that we've made about then you're gonna have to have
• 52:15
  Speaker 6: a good plan and a good system for your offense
• 52:17
  Speaker 6: so that if you have a great year, and which
• 52:19
  Speaker 6: will be great of course, the offensive coordinator gets a
• 52:22
  Speaker 6: chance to leave, you've got somebody in the pipeline, which
• 52:24
  Speaker 6: I mean verbel already had some experience with that, right
• 52:26
  Speaker 6: with with Lafleur and Arthur Smith, so that that maybe
• 52:29
  Speaker 6: is encouraging.
• 52:30
  Speaker 7: But I just think rabel is unique.
• 52:31
  Speaker 6: I don't think I'd be actively pursuing defensive coaches.
• 52:35
  Speaker 7: But he is what he is. I think he's you know,
• 52:37
  Speaker 7: he can't he can't replace He's mic.
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: I mean, one of the things that Belichick did successfully
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: early on was he had he set up a pipeline internally,
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: you know, like there was a succession plan for almost
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: every high level coaching position. Now, eventually the churn got
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: too much.
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: I was too fast.
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: It was too fast later on, but there was always
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: someone in waiting.
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: Like they had guys like Dabele and McDaniels as coaching
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: assistants when it started, and it wasn't until two thousand
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: and five that you needed to started to tap into.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: That, right they had a chance to learn, whereas.
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: Like McDaniels, Leaves and the guys that were tapped to
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: replace them had been there for like a year or two,
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: you know, so you really didn't have you know, like
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: the Nick Kayley's of the world, you know, going back now,
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: you know, those kinds of coaching assistant Eric Mangini. They
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: Eric Mangini was there to replace Romeo. He had been
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: around since the beginning of two thousand, so I think
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: when it started to recycle faster, there was less time
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: for those coaching assistants to sort of get their feet wet,
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: and I think that's they weren't ready yet.
• 53:46
  Speaker 6: I just thought of something a little different though. It
• 53:48
  Speaker 6: was like, I mean, is it too much to hope
• 53:49
  Speaker 6: that the quarterback developed so well that it really doesn't
• 53:52
  Speaker 6: matter all that much. I mean it's like, are we
• 53:54
  Speaker 6: all I mean much to hope? Yeah, Well, that was
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: about to make the point of how lucky they were
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: to have Josh McDaniels in two thousand and five. And
• 54:01
  Speaker 6: you know, but at that point, do you give Josh
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: McDaniel's credit for five or six or seven?
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: Totally get your point, but yeah, I think it's too
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: much gas for that.
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: But there are quarterbacks out there like Patrick Mahomes, like
• 54:12
  Speaker 6: doesn't really matter who is offensive.
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: Again, but I would say, yes, it's too much gas
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: for that, right, I think that I want quarterback, so
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: it's more likely going to be like Sam Donald, he
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: needs some help. He has the ability, but he's going
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: to need some help.
• 54:26
  Speaker 9: The example is obviously you know Josh Allen with the
• 54:30
  Speaker 9: Bills where Dable leaves.
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: And he's coordinated.
• 54:35
  Speaker 9: Yes, they did strike out at first with Ken Dorsey
• 54:38
  Speaker 9: and then they get Joe Brady in there. Now they're
• 54:40
  Speaker 9: a wagon again. So he was mostly quarterback or o
• 54:44
  Speaker 9: see proof you know didn't go great with Dorsey.
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: Brady, he was still pretty good with Yes, Dorsey stunk
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: and right by the way, I lost another joke.
• 54:52
  Speaker 9: Yeah, but that's what you know three four years down
• 54:55
  Speaker 9: the line. So I think the only thing if you
• 54:56
  Speaker 9: hire Rabel to me is that when you hire the
• 54:58
  Speaker 9: offensive coordinator, you can hire McDaniels. Soon's not going anywhere, right, Like,
• 55:02
  Speaker 9: that's one option. But if you do want to hire
• 55:04
  Speaker 9: somebody that's on the track to be a head coach,
• 55:07
  Speaker 9: you kind of need to get a little bit of
• 55:08
  Speaker 9: an assurance that he's going to be here for two
• 55:11
  Speaker 9: to three years. Like I don't know if you can
• 55:13
  Speaker 9: make that a handshake deal or whatever, but you don't
• 55:15
  Speaker 9: want it to be every single year.
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: And to your point, I like the way you think
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: hopefully you know four is like okay.
• 55:24
  Speaker 6: Like I said, well, if I tell you how I
• 55:26
  Speaker 6: came up with it because I was thinking of like, well,
• 55:27
  Speaker 6: it's pretty lucky to head, and then I started thinking,
• 55:29
  Speaker 6: I'm like, if I right now say that, if I
• 55:30
  Speaker 6: give Josh McDaniels too much credit right here, this one's
• 55:33
  Speaker 6: gonna jump down my throat. And I was like, well no,
• 55:35
  Speaker 6: but like, I mean that's you know, I mean, look,
• 55:37
  Speaker 6: there's only one Trom Brady, and there's only a handful
• 55:39
  Speaker 6: of quarterbacks probably in league history. They're truly offensive coordinator proof.
• 55:43
  Speaker 6: But I do think that it's you know, it's it's
• 55:45
  Speaker 6: not too much to hope that Drake may if he
• 55:47
  Speaker 6: has a really good couple of years.
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: Yes, is it wouldn't have been as good if Charlie
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: Weiss left after the first Super Bowl and all yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: and McDaniels took over, you know, two years removed from
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: being a coaching assistant and Brady is really just becoming
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: Tom Brady, right I think it wouldn't have been as
• 56:04
  Speaker 5: good right away now now Brady's greatness, I think would
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: have I.
• 56:08
  Speaker 6: Do, I mean, I do give Josh credit for seven
• 56:10
  Speaker 6: of putting that together, you know, like, I mean, we
• 56:13
  Speaker 6: knew Tom was great, but he really adjusted.
• 56:16
  Speaker 7: Things and came up with you know some good stuff,
• 56:19
  Speaker 7: Randy Moss.
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: What do you want to Brady credit for?
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: All right, we're gonna take up break Paul's foods here,
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: he said. Now that what we're getting ready for a
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: new regime. He's gonna start eating again. Is that what
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: you know?
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: I was very longry.
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: We're gonna take a break. When we come back, more
• 56:35
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• 56:37
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• 57:40
  Speaker 8: I'm going to be very brief here and say this
• 57:45
  Speaker 8: whole situation is on me. I feel terrible for Jerrod
• 57:52
  Speaker 8: because I put him in an untenable situation. I know
• 57:58
  Speaker 8: that he has all the tools as a head coach
• 58:02
  Speaker 8: to be successful in this league. He just needed more
• 58:07
  Speaker 8: time before taking the job. In the end, I'm a
• 58:14
  Speaker 8: fan of this team first, and now I have to
• 58:19
  Speaker 8: go out and find a coach who can guess get
• 58:22
  Speaker 8: us back to the playoffs and hopefully championships. We're open
• 58:29
  Speaker 8: for questions.
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: Robert, just when was the decision made in your mind?
• 58:40
  Speaker 15: When was it that you felt you needed to let
• 58:42
  Speaker 15: him go.
• 58:44
  Speaker 8: This whole situation evolved, but I'd say over the last
• 58:50
  Speaker 8: month I went back and forth, and I don't know.
• 58:56
  Speaker 8: In my life and my business, I make certain decisions.
• 59:01
  Speaker 8: I know when it's right, and it just happened, and
• 59:04
  Speaker 8: it was very hard because the personal relationship I feel
• 59:10
  Speaker 8: for girod and and the human being he is, and
• 59:17
  Speaker 8: I felt guilty I put him in that position. But
• 59:20
  Speaker 8: we're moving on.
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: Current.
• 59:24
  Speaker 16: Hey, Robert, what will happen with, for instance, the personnel department,
• 59:29
  Speaker 16: what decisions be made with whoever the next coach is
• 59:33
  Speaker 16: having the latitude to bring his own players, his own
• 59:37
  Speaker 16: scouting staff, his own coaches.
• 59:39
  Speaker 8: Yeah, well we'll wait till we bring that coach in.
• 59:43
  Speaker 8: And he's obviously he's going to have big input on
• 59:51
  Speaker 8: who the players are and who the coaches are. It
• 59:54
  Speaker 8: would be his decisions.
• 59:56
  Speaker 16: So at this juncture would be status quo for everybody
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 16: on the staff until an.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 8: Individual subse yes, well, let look, we move fast and
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 8: we're gonna let him make those decisions.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 17: Robert, I know that you don't make snap decisions. So
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 17: I was wondering, at what point during the season did
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 17: you say something was not right? And if you could
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 17: expand on that, what caught your attention that something wasn't right.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 8: Well, in the important decisions in my life, I've always
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 8: said I measured nine times and cut once, and this
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 8: was one of those situations. I guess The main thing
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 8: for me is I felt we regressed the high point
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 8: of everything for me was winning in the Cincinnati game,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 8: and then in mid mid season, I just think we
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 8: started to regress.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 15: I don't heard, Robert, how significantly has fan reaction to
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 15: the product on the field and too drud specifically played
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 15: into your decision.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 8: Well, I'm the biggest fan, so I understand, and you
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 8: know i've all since the day we bought this team,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 8: and I realized what a privilege as it was, and
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 8: how lucky we were as a family that this is
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 8: the only business we're involved in where I see ourselves.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 8: We don't own this team. It's owned by the fans
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 8: of this region, and we're custodians of a very special
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 8: asset of the community. And that's why that helps me
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 8: try to make decisions that if it was just personal,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 8: it would be different.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 7: Robert, aside from yourself and Jonathan, who will be involved
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 7: in the head coaching interviews and what traits are you
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 7: looking for?
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 8: Well, well, we'll have Alonso high Smith and Elliott will
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 8: be involved and we're gonna try to understand who can
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 8: help us best get back to the playoffs.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 18: Robert, Does that mean Elliott and his staff are going
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 18: to continue on or where the coaching hire also impact
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 18: your front office.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 8: We are are looking for people working together and they
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 8: will be staying one.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 19: Of Robert, when you say that the situation was untenable,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 19: what about it specifically did you find untenable and how
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 19: will that influence how you approach this search.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 8: I don't like losing. I don't like losing the way
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 8: we lost, and I just just things were not developing
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 8: the way we would have liked and it was time
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 8: to move on.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: Robert, how big of a search do you plan on
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: conduct How big of a coaching search do you plan
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: on conducting?
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 8: Well, we we want to interview as many people as
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 8: we can that we think can help us get to
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  Speaker 8: that position that we want to be in, so we
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 8: have put out and requests and Stacy will be filling
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 8: you in on that.
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  Speaker 7: Robert, thank you for taking our questions.
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  Speaker 12: Appreciate it is Mike Vrabel at or near the top
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 12: of your list.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 7: It seems to be the talk.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 8: We before i'd make a comment like that, I'd like,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 8: I don't know all the people involved, and there are
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 8: some wonderful people that we've heard about, so I'd rather
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 8: respond to that after I've seen everyone.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 20: Robert, can you speak a bit more to the timing
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 20: of this. Did Gerard know before the game? I'm right
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 20: over here.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: Sorry, sorry, thank you.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 20: I was wondering if you could speak a bit more
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 20: to the timing of this. Did Gerard know before the
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 20: game that this would be his last game coaching?
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 8: No, I know this was.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 7: Very difficult for you. Sit down with him. How did
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 7: he take it? How did he respond? Was he shocked
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 7: by the news?
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 8: He was a man. Look, it was one of the
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 8: more difficult things I've had a do in my life
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 8: because I had such affection for him and I believe
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 8: in him, and I really do believe he will go
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 8: on and as he gets more experience, it will be successful.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 8: It was not easy. He was a gentleman and accepted
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 8: it that way.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 21: Robert, this is going to be very expensive buying out
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 21: a coaching staff, bringing in on new coaching staff. Perhaps
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 21: it goes to the personnel department. You also have one
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 21: hundred and twenty million dollars in cap space this year,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 21: the most in the league. Well, what you spend on
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 21: this transition effect anything that you spend on players this offseason?
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 8: Yeah, i'd.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: Sure is.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 8: No, we will. We've always had a situation where we
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 8: spend to the cap and if we go over the
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 8: We have never told any coach or limited the spending.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 8: The only thing we've said is if you exceed the cap,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 8: we like to see it leveled out over three years
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 8: and you know so that we never get way out
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 8: of hand. But spending to the cap or above the
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 8: cap is not. We want to win. That's our priority. First.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 11: Hi, Robert, back here, how are you. You guys were
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 11: told this was a multi year rebuild, that it wasn't
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 11: going to turn around in one year. You said, you
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 11: believe in Gerard, you think he'll be better with more experience,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 11: so why not let him get that experience here? Knowing
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 11: going in this was a multi year process.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 8: Yeah, from my point of view, I just thought we
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 8: were We had a rough year last year, not twenty
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 8: four twenty three, and going through two years like that,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 8: and then seeing where we were this year and especially
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 8: the second half of the year just told me, just
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 8: made me feel we weren't going in the direction, in
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 8: the right direction, and I can't. I don't want to
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 8: go through this next year, and we're going to do
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 8: what we got to do to fix.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: It, which.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 5: And now great moments in.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: History, the feeling that we had when Tom left. First,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: the feeling that we have versus.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 5: Is a versus versus you're a kid?
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: Yes, verse? Yeah? And what versus the feeling we have
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: now with Billy.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 20: Yeah.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: And I would say with Tom leaving, we were much
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: more sensitive about did he say goodbye? Does he say
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: he loves us? And with Bill not so much of that.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I would say, I mean because he
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 6: never gave us that anyway.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, it's a great.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 5: Did get choked up when he talked about the fans?
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: So I know he did, But I'm just talking about fans,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: like like, oh, is he gonna is he gonna say
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: goodbye to us? Is he gonna do this?
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 5: But that's my point is Bill did do that. That's
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 5: the part that he got emotional.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 6: I feel a lot different about this one, Like like
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 6: I'm kind of like Evan was, Like, just the sight
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 6: of Brady in the Tampa uniform, it's just right.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: Will you have the main feeling if you see Bill?
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: Think I will? I don't think. I don't think so either.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 5: So what was worse for you? Seeing Brady in the
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 5: Tampa all right? Or seeing him in the Patriots.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: Which hates him anyway, You good, fall, Peter Brady distracted. Yeah,
• 1:09:23
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  Speaker 6: decoration pillows.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, those pillows are ridiculous, especially when they're on a bed.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: You make the bed, you gotta put the pillows get
• 1:10:09
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm not a big fan of It's.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: Like, are we doing tours of the house, Like, why
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  Speaker 4: is this important?
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  Speaker 7: It's just just a show pillow person.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 9: No, she's a blanket person, Like we have blankets, like,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 9: you know, just does she get cold? Yeah, she's walked
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 9: around with a blanket all the time, all the time.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: Let her put the heat up.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 9: No, it's not. I don't I she can do whatever
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 9: she wants, but for whatever reason. You know, when I
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  Speaker 9: It is like you're just gonna have blankets all over
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 9: the house all the time.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 5: The kids would complain, well, actually, TJ Will was fine.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: Too cold?
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 5: Too cold? Could we put the heat? Layer it up?
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  Speaker 7: Give it doesn't spend their heat until December one, and it's.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: Been tough times in the Prolo house. Layer it up.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 9: Should we share the little bit of news that we have.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 9: So Tom Pelisaro has the Patriots interviewing Pep Hamilton and
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 9: Byron Leftwich today in person. So they if that is true,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 9: I have no reason to believe it's not. They have
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 9: now fulfilled the Rooney rule and so they've checked that
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 9: box off and could move forward.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 5: With all right, I believe we could have a head
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 5: coach by the end of this week. They alone next week.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, could happen.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 9: All right, I'm going to play linebacker here.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I just want to mention Bill Belichick's conference comments
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: yesterday about the shared vision. I guess he was.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 5: He had it. Freddy had a shared vision with the
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: organization until for the last four years.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: Last four years. I somebody sent that to me. I said,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: just substitute shared vision with Tom Brady.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 5: What do you think changed in the last four years?
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 7: I think was it me getting here? That's that it?
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, like you did you push him out?
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 7: Maybe?
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 5: So you had a shared vision in nineteen right, but
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 5: not twenty.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's easy to have a shared vision when everything's
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 4: you're winning and all that stuff.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: But so disingenuous.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 6: I'd love to hear his side of the story. I mean,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 6: I know that we talk about it all the time, of.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: I'd love to hear the truth. Oh well, I don't
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: have any real interest in his side of the story.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 6: But but but for somebody who so much went wrong,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 6: like and how much, how could he explain it away
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 6: in a way that doesn't like this makes him It
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 6: wasn't my fault.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 7: I didn't know it Like.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 5: That's four explains it away? Yeah, because all of a sudden,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 5: it's Robert and Jonathan Crafts fault that Tom Brady left
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: and they no longer allowed him to do it the
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 5: way he wanted to do that he convinces himself that
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 5: that's true.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, which was what we weren't doing as well. They
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: started asking me questions, so it's their fault.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 9: Yeah, but I feel like they started asking questions about
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 9: the draft twenty and eighteen probably was. It was really
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 9: the start of the poor drafting and what was going on.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 9: So it's even pre Brady and Brady saw it. Like
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 9: Brady saw that the roster was decaying and him and
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 9: Grokowski and Edelman and those players were getting older and
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 9: they didn't have the pipeline to start replace.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 5: It's a lot of blame. I mean, there's a lot
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 5: of blame to go around, but there's not a lot
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 5: of looking in the mirror.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 6: I love Evan's point though, I mean, I think that's
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 6: because you put it as like the demarcation line of
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 6: Brady leaving, like it was already like he should have
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 6: already kind of been under question by the time he
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 6: got to that.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 9: The twenty eighteen Super Bowl is like their last dance, right,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 9: Like they put it together for three more games and
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 9: Brady put them on their back for three three more
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 9: games and they won a Super Bowl.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 7: That.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 9: Frankly, they probably shouldn't have won, right, just in terms
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 9: of the season that they had. If you watch them
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 9: during the regular season in twenty eighteen, you already saw
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 9: that the team was getting worse they had.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: It was a great combination of the greatness of Belichick
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 5: and Brady in the AFC Championship game. I thought it
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 5: was a brilliant plan. So I give Belichick a lot
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: of credit for that. Pacific people think that I'm always
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 5: crapping on Belichick. Not the case, like you watch that
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 5: game and he I think was solely responsible for them
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 5: having control of the game to start the second half
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 5: because Brady did not play great in the first half.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 5: He had a huge pick in the end zone.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: But then Kansas City adjusts their talent wins out. Now
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 5: we're hanging on Captain America to the rescue right when
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 5: you had to have them down the street in overtime.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 5: He was perfect.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 9: You're a big fan of die mod.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 5: Magic, I'd have to know what that is.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 4: What is it?
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 9: So die od magic is basically the call that they
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 9: used in the AFC Championship Game for most of the game.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 9: So dime, that's the defensive package obviously odd man odd
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 9: front magic is what covers zero call with a double
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 9: on Tyreek Hill. So they played Manta man five man
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 9: rush up front, double team Tyreek Hill over the top,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 9: and then they put a corner on Travis Kelcey instead
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 9: of a safety. It started as j C. Jackson and
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 9: then Stefan Gilmour started to cover uh tyre Travis Kelcey
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 9: a little bit towards the end and U and that
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 9: was the game they stole.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 5: They stole just enough stops to get some separation and
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 5: then Kansas City figured it out and they started moving
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 5: the ball at will doing other things and ultimately came
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 5: down to really, you know, I don't think really yeah,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 5: if you want to.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: Get well, it came down to those third and fourth
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: down conversions.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 5: Well, if the penalty doesn't happen the games, that's true
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 5: the off side that the guy doesn't line up off
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 5: who was it?
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 7: D Ford.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 9: They also had a really cool wrinkle on defense. They
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 9: had a tell for Kansas City which way the line
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 9: was going to slide, you know, man side, slide side,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 9: and so they would wrap the stunt up front opposite
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 9: of the slide, and they had a tail based off
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 9: of where Mahomes put the running back of which side
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 9: the slide was going to go to, and so they
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 9: would just wrap the free runner the other way, and
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 9: they were just getting pressure on them the whole first
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 9: half doing that. Then Kansas City caught on. But it
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 9: was pretty cool that.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 5: The little game within the game, and Damian Williams was
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 5: a big part of that second half if I remember, Yeah, though,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 5: oh yeah, that's their offense and that was like, you know,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 5: that was both of those teams offenses.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 8: Yea.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: His picks, yeah.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 5: You know, they rubs if they don't draw flags, right,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 5: but they're absolutely illegal, no, I mean that's Sammy Watkin's
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 5: play at the end was an absolute pick for Kansas City.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: All Right, pay podcast at Patriots dot Com is the
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: email address. David new Hampshire writes in I've heard a
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 4: lot of fans disliking the vrabel pick with possibly McDaniel's
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 4: oc due to changing up the system on May. Obviously,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: Johnson is the hot new type pants guy, but I
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: think people forget he's also an Earhart Perkins guy like Josh.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 4: Their schemes are different, of course, but for people worried
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: about changing systems on May, Johnson has the same problem, thoughts.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 5: I don't have any objection to Josh McDaniels because it's
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 5: a change of the system. The system is changing. Yeah,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 5: Alex Van Pelt's not gonna be the offensive coordinator next year.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 9: I think there's also a big difference between talking about
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 9: the system and that respect. That's the language. So it's
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 9: the language that we're speaking in terms of Earnhard Perkins,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 9: is the way that the verbiage of how you call
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 9: the plays. That doesn't mean that the design of the
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 9: offense is the same.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 5: But I'll give the email a credit, like I wasn't
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 5: aware that Ben Johnson has his roots in Aarhart Perkins.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 9: Technically yes, but you know, again, it's a big difference
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 9: between play design and how we call plays. How we
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 9: call plays is West Coast, ern Hard Perkins, air Quarriel.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 9: How you design plays is a different category of how
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 9: you're gonna move the football offensively. So don't you know
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 9: ern Hard Perkins, West Coast? I think a lot of
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 9: people get caught up in that one. Really, it's the
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 9: scheme of are you an outside zone team, are you
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 9: a downhill run team, or you under center or you shotgun?
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 9: You know how do you formationally space the field?
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 7: Like?
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 9: Those are the things that separate all these offenses.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 4: David Bethlehem McDaniels gets my vote for OC. Maybe would
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 4: be a great pairing with a defensive minded head coach,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 4: the management would be balanced. How about asking the new
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 4: head coach who was ol coaches are and asking Dante
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: to interview them. While Wolf has been criticized, what exactly
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: has Heismith done? No one knows.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 7: It's not always the case though.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 6: There's a bunch of guys in the front office that
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 6: you don't know what people are always doing, like.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's not even on the coaching staff too.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 6: I mean you get the guys, you get to talk
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 6: to the coordinators, and you get even the defensive coaches.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 6: But then we don't even see, you know, like some
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 6: of the guys.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 5: Who are like the assistant So we haven't talked much
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 5: about personnel guys around the league. You know, there's a
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 5: lot of assistant gms that are going to be in
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 5: line to get GM jobs. My boy, Mike Bergonzi's one
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 5: of them from Everett. He's the assistant general manager of
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 5: the Chiefs. What does he do? I don't know, right,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 5: How do you know, he's.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 7: Likes in on the meetings.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 5: I mean, he's part of a really successful organization that's
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 5: done a great job.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: Of the acquiring talent or assistant to the GM.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 5: And does he have any say?
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 5: You know what, I don't know exactly what is the
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 5: guy that is tied to vrabel a lot that we
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 5: talked about, Ryan Cowden. He's like whatever the executive isist
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 5: into Joe Shane. I don't know what he's doing. I
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 5: don't know, like if he's competent in his job.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 6: And that's why though they're like if you were in
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 6: those meetings, you probably would know, like one of these
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 6: guys is really bright, you know, like like some of
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 6: these guys are just kind of there hanging out, but
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 6: other guys, you.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 5: Know, assault of the earth.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 5: Obviously his background is impeccable coming from every high school,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 5: but you know, he is an Ivy League guy who
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 5: went to Brown, played football and baseball at Brown. And
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 5: you know, I do know the family a little bit,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 5: great family, but that doesn't mean he's fit to be
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 5: an NFL executive.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 9: Yeah, he from what I understand, and I could be
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 9: wrong about this, but he's Brown Ivy League guy. He's
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 9: more on the cap analytics side of things, which is
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 9: why he's been a very popular candidate, and Cowden variables
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 9: guy Shocker is more of the old school put.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 5: Pats on and and watch the film and.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: Barton Poland with Mayo Gun, it's time to hire an
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: offensive minded head coach. Defensive head coaches like Verbel show
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: the risks struggling to find and keep quality ocs. We
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: need someone young and innovative who can establish long term
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: offensive stability. Also, people don't want the risk of an
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: inexperienced head coach. If you ask me, most of the
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: top head coaches in the league right now are mostly
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 4: first time head coaches. Also preach Brad. Let's not compare
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 4: proven coordinators to draw Mayo who may have been the
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: least qualified resume wives coaching higher of the last decade.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: Ben Johnson or Liam Cohen? What might be my two choices?
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: Johnson is self explanatory and Cohen was with his New
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: England roots you mass player Rood Allen, native but not
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: connected directly to the Patriots. Of course, do a proper search,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: and if that search leads you to a guy like Rabel, okay,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: But my preference would be an offensive head coach.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 7: It's fair.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 5: It's fair. I like the entirety of that email. Yeah,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 5: if the search leads you to Vrabel and you really
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 5: think that he's the best candidate, now let's hire Mike
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 5: Rabel because I know he can coach. I know he
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 5: can coach.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 6: Especially the comparison of MAO, which is just you have
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 6: to acknowledge that he wasn't a first time hand coach.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 6: He was a first time coach, you know, period, like
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 6: most of these guys that are going to be first
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 6: time hand coaches have coached for a while.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 9: Yeah. I agree with the point. I'm usually an offensive
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 9: minded guy, as everyone knows, and I agree that it's
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 9: hard as a defensive coach. But I do think there
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 9: is evidence that there are other elements to this that
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 9: are more important than just which side of the ball
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 9: do you call plays for, you know, the culture building,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 9: the CEO elements. We certainly have seen how handling press
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 9: conferences and all that kind of stuff can be make
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 9: an impact, and those things I think matter a lot.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 9: I think that's why Jim Harbaughs exceeding so much in
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 9: Los Angeles. He's not calling plays on either side of
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 9: the ball. He's just running the ship and running it.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 6: I can I ask you guys a quick question. I'm
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 6: not I didn't track this. What was the trajectory of
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 6: Derek Henry coming into the NFL, because I know he
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 6: was what like a second round.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: Fell comes back to Derek twenty sixteen.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 6: Right, ye, kind of okay, twenty sixteen, twenty seventy. Look,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 6: I just did a cursory research of his stats, just
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 6: trying to put together like what Rabel's team building process
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 6: kind of was. But Henry was already there when he arrived,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 6: Like what what happened those first two years? He wasn't
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 6: like crazy Derrick Henry until well, like Rabel kind of
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 6: got there those couple of years.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 5: If I'm not mistaken, I would have to look at
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 5: this up to get the actual bio. But I think
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 5: they were nine and seven the two previous years before Rabel,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 5: and then they were nine and seven Rabel's first two years. Huh,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 5: So I don't really think there was a.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: Whole Henry was good right away.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 6: That's what I was surprised that fred I looked at
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 6: like his prosional staffs. He wasn't well, it was like
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 6: eight hundred and seven eight hunreds first two years. I
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 6: don't know, I didn't go that deep. That's what I
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 6: was hoping you guys might know. I mean, that's just
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 6: I was starting to like look at Rabel's drafts, you know,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 6: get a sense of what kind of guys they like
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 6: to take.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 9: Well, so I think a big part of you know,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 9: Derrick Henry was was an amazing college player at Alabama,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 9: but there was always concerns about, you know, the type
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 9: of runner that he was, is he too kind of
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 9: old school, you know, he's going to be a downhill runner.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 5: And thought that might be wear and tear. I think
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 5: he would have a long shelf life. And that's the
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 5: exact opposite.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 9: I do remember, you know, those offenses, Mariota offenses, and
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 9: so they were they were trying to be more spread
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 9: and Oregon style and that kind of thing. And I
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 9: wonder when Rabel got there, he probably put the quarterback
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 9: under center, got there a big personnel.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 5: And so his first year he played fifteen games, but
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 5: only started too. His second year he played sixteen games again,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 5: only started to one hundred and ten attempts one hundred
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 5: and seventy six attempts. So at the time the day,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: the average was four and a half, you know, full
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 5: point two, So it wasn't bad. And was it eighteen
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 5: Rabel's first year.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 7: I think so. Yeah.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So then he goes to twelve starts and goes
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 5: up to two hundred and fifteen carries, so you know
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: that's started feeding them. He started getting Fedd's.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: The guy that did it. Wasn't they have that speedy
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 4: guy on the team Chris Johnson, Yeah, that would be.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 5: That would be before that.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 9: Was before that, before that, but not to CJ two
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 9: K Yeah, not like too far. Like I think they
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 9: actually passed the torch if I remember it correctly, like
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 9: I think, so they.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 5: Had two two thousand yard rushers in short succession.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 9: Huh yeah.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 9: I don't know exactly how big the gap was, but
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 9: I don't think it was big at all.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 5: But I think you might have hit. Without looking at
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 5: this closely, I think Evan might hit it. Yeah, it
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 5: was probably just Mariota in a spread offense. That's really
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 5: not that. That's why I had my doubts about the Ravens.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 5: One of my all time worst.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 9: Calls right there with you.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 4: So you think he'd have a hard time, So do
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: you give Rabel credit by coming in and saying, look,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 4: we got Derrick Henry. We're gonna use it.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's you know, that's what I was kind
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 6: of wondering. I don't know, I mean, I have to
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 6: do a little more research. But and I was looking
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 6: at that. I was looking at their drafts.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 7: You know, they were drafts. They had a couple of
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 7: bad drafts.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 9: They were fantastic play action passing team. And I would
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 9: say that Derrick Henry was one of those few backs
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 9: where when he was in the backfield, play action just worked.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 9: You know, like everybody was afraid of him coming downhill.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 9: And so much of Ryan Tannehill's statistics in that big
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 9: year that he had, we're off of play action. And
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 9: he kind of was a play action merchant for a
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 9: while there in Tennessee. And so that that was that
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 9: was it, you know, that was the offense. It was
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 9: Derrick Henry down your throats, play action pass and then
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 9: Derrick Henry late down your throats and milk the clock.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 5: So that that year, Tannehill completed over seventy percent of
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 5: his passes, twenty two touchdown six picks, led the league
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 5: in yards per attempt, and his rating was one seventeen
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 5: point five. I think I said it was like one
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 5: seventeen point five. They totally led the league in that
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 5: as well. He only he only started ten games, like
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 5: he came in midway too. He replaced Mariota Riota, right,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 5: and they just absolutely took off.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 7: You know, was that Lafleur at that point?
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 5: Maybe I believe that was still Laflur. I believe so
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 5: because then they think he got the Green Bay job
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 5: in twenty.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 9: Right, Yeah, and Arthur Smith was ends coach.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 5: And then but the next year, Tannehill went eleven and
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 5: five and again completed over sixty five percent of his
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 5: passes thirty eight hundred and nineteen yards. So that's not
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 5: that's a sixteen game season, approaching four thousand yards, thirty
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 5: three touchdowns, seven picks. So I know, like the reason
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 5: I bring up Tannehill a lot with this is because
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of similarities between Drake May's
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 5: game in Tannehill. I think Drake May has more skill.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 5: I think he can, I think he should be better
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: than Tannehill. But an athletic guy who can move around
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 5: and make throws on the run, uses legs occasionally, May
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 5: is a better passer, no question. In my mind, he's
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 5: a better passer. But I think there's some similarities there.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: You better get we're good.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 9: You better get him practicing. You said under center, you know,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 9: hand your hand off fakes, you know, play action fakes.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 9: That is one area of Drake's game where I thought
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 9: he needs some work on his selling play action, showing
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 9: the fake a little bit better. And now the sort
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 9: of things, the ball handling aspects of it. Do you
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 9: better If that's the type of offense you're going to run,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 9: then he'd be doing that all summer.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 5: I hear a lot of people talking about, like you know,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 5: you know Rabel was able to do all this, that
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 5: and the other thing with Tannehill. Imagine like no, like
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 5: Tannehill was really good for him, Like I get that,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 5: it was a lot of it was coaching, because I
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 5: don't think he's been He wasn't really good before that,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 5: and he wasn't really good after that. Yeah, you know
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 5: once he lost Lafleura and Smith. So I get that,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 5: but now I need to I need to know what
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 5: you plan.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 4: On doing, John and Louisiana writes, and one thing that
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 4: Deuce was frustrated all season with was all my all
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 4: the my bads, and that's my fault. I got to
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: get better. I'm telling you right now, you barely got
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: one my bad or that's my fault before Rabel rips
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: a new one into you. And I'll say, that's one
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: thing I'd be excited for with Rabel coming in, the
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: authority and the seriousness he has with his personality and
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: the fact he knows what it takes to build a
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: good team from scratch. Ps. I secretly wouldn't mind Josh
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: McDaniels as the OC. It's a fine take.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I wouldn't mind it either.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 6: But I just like a lot of these decisions I'm
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 6: wondering because there's two sides of it.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 7: There's like the just the pure football.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 6: Analyst thought on it, and then there's the fanboy part
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 6: of me that likes Josh and likes Rabel and you
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 6: know knows this. Yeah, well I know that, you know.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 6: I mean, aside from just that, like you guys know him.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 6: I've talked to Josh a couple of times now, you know, Like,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 6: so there's a relationship there. So that's appealing to me.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 6: But you know, I don't want to get caught up.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 6: I don't want to get caught up in I like
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 6: the guy. This is the best decision for the Patriots.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 6: That's I think what they're gonna be asking themselves when
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 6: they interview Ben Johnson.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 9: It is a departure, you know. We mentioned Laflora and
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 9: Arthur Smith are West Coast coaches, so the system is
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 9: a departure from what Rabel had in Tennessee. So I
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 9: wonder that too, if he's ready to kind of pivot
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 9: into a different, different way of doing things.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: Eldred is in North Carolina, the tpx utline. What's up Eldred?
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 22: Hey, fellas not into truck today. I got COVID.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 5: COVID all right, I got the COVID.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 22: Yeah, I'm doing better. But y'all look good on you tube.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 10: Like YouTube.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 5: But me but.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 22: I'm kind of disappointed. But I understand the change. But
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 22: you do the two years and mister Pepp, I love you,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 22: but I think you did your boy dirty, you know.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 22: And then the keeping wolf in the hospital, big mistake.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 22: I'm like Paul clean House, and I hope we get
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 22: Ben Johnson.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 12: I don't want Rablee.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 22: We'll get Ben Jonson. Yeah, I have a good one, man.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 22: I gotta go take to me.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 4: Felt all right, Eldred weighing in, Ben Johnson, Let's see
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 4: Kevin is in San Francisco. Hey, Kevin, Hey guys, how
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 4: are we doing good?
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 7: Kevin?
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 10: A couple of things, you know.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 23: When it when I heard the news on Sunday, obviously
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 23: everyone had their opinions on whether it's the right and
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 23: wrong thing, but it kind of dawned on me. Several
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 23: weeks ago we heard the chatter about the crafts calling
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 23: around and you know, getting opinions and talking to people
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 23: behind the scenes and whether or not that was, you know,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 23: the right thing to do with the wrong thing, And
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 23: it kind of dawned on me. I wonder if they
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 23: were trying, you know, they were fed up with a
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 23: VP or for the coming hit, and just that we
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 23: have to get some better ocs and DC's around around Drod.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 23: Now we know that's a tough call, because no one
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 23: wants to go to a dead man walking for one
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 23: year and then be cleaned out. But if they were
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 23: able to get somebody of higher quality, do you think
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 23: that might have saved Drod mail for one more year?
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 5: I mean maybe I do think that part of the
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 5: problem was the staff I don't think there was a
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 5: lot of experience on the staff, so yeah, I mean
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 5: that that could have possibly done it. But I think
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 5: that the bigger issues with Gerard were about what Robert
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 5: talked about yesterday and just I don't think he was
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 5: he was ready for it. To me, the much more
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 5: troubling part was the constant missteps off the field, both
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 5: from him and the players, which to me is an
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: extension of him, Like the lack of sort of control,
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 5: you know, the discipline was lacking.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I come back to like the beginning with Gerrod
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 9: and just it never felt like he had like a
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 9: pipeline to tap into of where he was going to
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 9: hire these coaches from. And it most of these guys
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 9: that were new to the staff were connected to Elliott Wolfe.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 9: Like it wasn't Gerrod who was the one that was
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 9: saying this is MYOC, this is my DC besides Covington,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 9: so you know, Jerry Montgomery, Alex van Pelt, really the
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 9: whole offensive side of the ball, Jeremy Springer. Those guys
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 9: are wolf guys. And it just didn't feel like Gerard
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 9: was prepared to step into it with actual candidates that
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 9: fit the building of those positions.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 4: Drew's in Connecticut. Hey Drew, I got.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 22: How you doing today?
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 4: Good?
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 7: Good?
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 24: So I just wanted to ask a couple of things.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 24: I wanted to get your guys' like opinion on, like
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 24: who realistic coordinators could be for offense and defense for
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 24: both Ben Johnson or Rabel. I personally like Rabel and
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 24: Ben Johnson. I'm honestly happy with either candidate. I just
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 24: kind of was curious.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 25: Who they're like coordinators could be.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 24: I know someone mentioned yesterday how you guys talked about
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 24: how well for incoming free agents, does the OC matter
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 24: if your head coach is Ben Johnson versus Rabel, And
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 24: like someone was like, if it's Ben Johnson, it doesn't,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 24: but like if it's Rabel, the OC is super important
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 24: for incoming free agents as well. I also just want
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 24: to get your guys' opinion on last year's draft last
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 24: and how like you guys believe that like Polk and
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 24: Baker with better coaching and development could take like a
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 24: year or two jump that's big. The same thing for
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 24: like Kiden Wallace, I know he was injured, but like
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 24: could he become like a heap same thing with polkan
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 24: Baker kind of how they were to both do I know,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 24: you don't really give up on guys after one year,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 24: but like, do you think they could really make a
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 24: big year two jump if they got better coaching and developed?
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 4: Well, I don't know about it. Yeah, I don't know,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 4: but it can't hurt to have better coaching.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 5: No, let's go forward. Talked about the possibility of Josh
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 5: mc daniels going with Rabel, you know, to a lesser extent.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 5: Tommy Reese is a name that's been tied to Rabel
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 5: offensive coordinator. I don't think any of us has a
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 5: guess on defensive coordinator, do we well?
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 9: So Shane Bowen was his defensive coordinator in Tennessee, but
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 9: he's currently the defensive coordinator for the Giants, and the
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 9: Giants didn't fire Dable, so I would assume that he's
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 9: staying put with the Giants. A couple names i'd throw
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 9: out there. Patrick Graham is a big one, I think
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 9: with the Raiders current.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 5: He's gettings for head coaches right now.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 9: Yeah, so he's not under contract. His contract expired with
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 9: the Raiders, so he is a technically a coaching free agent.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 9: So he's a former Patriot defensive assistant and he has
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 9: some ties here. And lou Anna Murumo, who just got
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 9: fired by the Bengals, scapegoated by the Bengals for them
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 9: not making the playoffs is another uh. I would say,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 9: not a direct tie to Belichick or the coaching tree
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 9: or anything, but runs a similar defense to what the
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 9: Patriots have ran over the past couple of years. So
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 9: I could see both those guys being No idea.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 5: On Ben Johnson, I don't have any idea what his.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 9: So he spent time with an Umo in Miami. They
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 9: were on the staff together with the Dolphins for a
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 9: little while, so there could be potentially a connection between
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 9: those two guys.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 4: I know Salah is interviewing for head coach too, But
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 4: do you think you'd ever come back as a DC,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 4: just you know, for a while. If he doesn't like
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 4: what's being offered or think.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 5: That doesn't get it off, that's probably his his ticket
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 5: back in the league right now. Yeah, he'll be a
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 5: DC somewhere.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 4: What about would you?
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 5: I would take be happy with that. I think he
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 5: runs a good defense.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 4: I don't know how out.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 5: I don't know how that was with you know, you
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 5: don't like.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 9: The system stylistically, I just don't think it fits. Uh,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 9: you know they they're there are zone defense. There are
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 9: four to three four man rush defense. You have to
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 9: have extremely athletic linebackers to play zone coverage the way
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 9: they want to play zone coverage. You're obviously going to
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 9: go through a significant personnel overhaul anyways, but that's you have.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 4: You need a whole talk to build that defense.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 9: It's it. I think you can build it, but you
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 9: would need to.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 7: Build You're way far away from it.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 9: Yeah, like you're not Jewan Bentley and Jolanny dev A
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 9: not playing linebacker and that defense you know, no good
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 9: place Fred Warner and j mod and you could They'll
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 9: get Dre Greenlow maybe.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 4: Yes, uh Sam and Saint Catharine's right. Sint Derek Henry
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 4: was a slow start because Lafleur is one of those
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 4: committee no matter what coaches when it comes to running backs.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 4: So he was spelling Henry with Dion Lewis a lot,
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 4: which slowed his development.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 7: Real friend, deal Lewis, excuse me.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 5: What is Josh Jacobs split with?
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 4: Huh?
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 5: What is Josh Jacobs split time with?
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 23: Now?
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 7: Oh god, with the floor.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 9: They do have that a backup, but he's like an
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 9: undrafted rookie changed.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think that there's probably more about
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 5: the offense, especially if you're telling me it was Deon Lewis,
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 5: because Dion Lewis is that kind of back. Yeah, he's
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 5: a spread back.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 6: He was exciting for a little bit, like just intriguing.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 6: I know, big injury, but was he did he like
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 6: because he came out of nowhere. He's one of those
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 6: guys that you probably dismissive of because he kicked around
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 6: the league. But remember that like carry had in Dallas
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 6: where like six guys missed him.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 9: Like that had a little run against Houston that he
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 9: had like three touchdowns. Yeah, very different return and rushing.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he was. He was a really productive guy for
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 5: the Patriots for seven times.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 9: That twenty fifteen season. He was unreal and till he
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 9: got hurt.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 4: I mean he was that Dallas.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 7: That's crazy.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 5: That was a huge, huge injury. And you know, I
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 5: Laflour's you know, I know that he did split time
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 5: with like Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon. I want to say,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 5: but like again, like if you have one guy like
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 5: I think he's showing you now, if you have a
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 5: guy with Josh Jacobs. I mean, I don't have the Packers'
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 5: stats in front of me, but I have to think
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 5: that he got the lion's share of the band this year. Yeah,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 5: And I would think that Derek Henry would have been
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 5: that kind of guy. Maybe it was just as simple
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 5: as he was just a rookie and it's you know,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 5: it took him a couple of years. But I think
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 5: Evan is right on with the style of offense that
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 5: they were likely running at the time is probably not
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 5: conducive to a power guy.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 9: Yeah, just go to the receivers real quick. With Polk
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 9: and Baker. So is there a chance that they could
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 9: have like a Kaishaan Boody second season. I'm not rolling
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 9: that out, but you just don't see it too often
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 9: anymore where they have a complete dud of a rookie
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 9: season and then all of a sudden that guy turns
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 9: into like a legitimate impact player in the NFL, especially
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 9: at that position. Like I would be absolutely shocked at
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 9: this point if Jalen Polk is an NFL player on
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 9: this team in like two or three years.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 5: I would say even more so with Baker.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 6: I definitely, yeah, that one is yeah, because.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 5: I think Baker's problems are far more than ability. I
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 5: just think he looks like he doesn't have the professionalism.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 5: That's what the coaches talked about. This is not me
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 5: saying this. The coaches have made many references to this
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 5: over the course of the year. Just not doing what
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 5: he's supposed to be doing at practice.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 4: Well, that's more of an indictment on Wolf and Mark
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 4: and Schaeddow writes in having rewatched the Craft press conference,
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 4: I think it's clear that Wolf is staying. The first
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: question was talking about the new coach having a say
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 4: on players, and we'll be up to him personnel to
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 4: yeah otherwise. I think Craft was very clear he needs
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 4: people that can work together and that means working with
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: Wolf will be staying. Why does everyone else seem to
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 4: think that the new coach will have a say on
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 4: Wolf staying or going? What am I missing? I hear
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 4: what you're saying, because Paul and I went over the
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 4: transcript this morning because we were we wanted to make
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 4: sure that we remembered correctly, and the follow up with
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 4: Karen Garigian. In my opinion, Kraft was clear that Wolf
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 4: would be staying on. But I think and just a
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 4: guess through back channels, and Phil Perry was the mouthpiece
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 4: for this. Perry's story today was whoever the head coach
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 4: come that comes in and gets the job, he will
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 4: have a say on who his personnel person is. So
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 4: if it's Mike Rabel and he wants a new guy,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 4: he's going to get a new guy. If it's Mike
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 4: Rabel and he wants to keep Elliott Wolf, he's going
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: to keep Elliott Wolf. But the you know, if it's
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 4: you know, Ben Johnson or Mike Rabel, they have the
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 4: leverage and uh, not giving them their personal guy is
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 4: not going to be why uh they don't come here.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 4: They're gonna get what they want.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 7: They had to get that out there. I mean, I
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 7: think that's key. Yeah, you know, we said, you just
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 7: don't want to lose the guys. You know, Yeah, there
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 7: is competitions, and I.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 5: Think I think they will be back. I just don't
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 5: know in what capacity if the new coach, to Fred's point,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 5: wants his own GMS.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 4: And it's a tough question for Robert or anybody fielding.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 4: You know, you're in the middle of getting ready for
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 4: the draft and off season. You're not gonna stand up
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 4: there and say, yeah, are guys gone. Yeah, you know,
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 4: you don't know. You don't know. You're first of all,
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 4: you don't know who you're gonna hire, and you don't
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 4: know whoever that person is what they want, So you
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 4: have to be open to that. They, like I said,
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 4: that person might come in and say, yeah, Elliott Wolf,
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: I know about him, He's got a good reputation. I've
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 4: talked to people before I got here about him. Let's
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 4: keep him on Cleveland for the past year.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 9: Yeah, a lot of people are pretty familiar with the guys, right.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 4: Let's let's keep him on that. That could perfectly, that
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: could happen. Yeah, So for you know, I think Robert
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 4: Kraft was just kind of even things open. But I
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 4: think in that last answer, I thought he was saying
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 4: he's gonna stay on regardless. Yeah.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 7: I thought was pretty good on this yesterday.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 6: I was just saying, like, you can't fire everybody and
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 6: make everybody walk out of the building.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 7: You want, like, you have to keep people. It's very
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 7: common for theft.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 4: He was reason it's very common for teams in our
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 4: position to keep their personnel people on through the draft
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 4: because they've done all the work. They're gonna be professionals.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 4: You don't have to worry about them leaking it out
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 4: who were interested in drafting. They're going to do their
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 4: job regardless, and then after the draft you make your decisions.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 4: But again, whoever they decide on being the head coach,
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 4: that person's going to have what they want. Let's see
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 4: Camel from Georgia is there? He says, Is there any
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: coaches you want to keep? Coaches you want to keep?
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 5: Not me?
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 9: No?
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 4: Okay, cornerbacks coach, yep.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 9: I think he does a really good job. I wouldn't
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 9: be totally opposed to some of the special teams coordinator coaches.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 4: Springer seems to have done a pretty good job.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 9: Tom Quinn I think is getting a lot of credit
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 9: as well in that room, and he's a long time
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 9: experienced special teams guy. But I don't have any I'm
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 9: not going to bad for anybody. But if I had to.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 5: Go, can I just say, I'm not going to come
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 5: on here and pull a Tampa tantrum. If you know
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 5: there's a couple of guys that come back. I just
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 5: look at it as I don't really think any element
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 5: of the team was very good last year. I have
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 5: no problem if they all go, That's that's all I'm saying.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 5: If they come back, if the guys that Evan and Mike.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 4: Like, well, we're definitely going to need a new strength
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 4: and conditioning coordinator.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 9: Why is that friend?
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: Well, it happens to be one's head coach's brother.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 5: What's the difference between the head coaches brother coming back
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 5: and the head coach's son's coming back?
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 4: You know, stranger things are happening already.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 5: But in all seriousness, like I know that darn Harmon
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 5: Mayo is going to go. Was called him Harmon? Like
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 5: Brian Belichick came back and his father got fired.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so well the guy never the guy that was
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 4: Doran's uh, Deron Mayo's assistant Brian McDonough. H. He's been
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 4: associated with the team for a long time, he might stays,
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 4: he's very good.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 5: I associated with the team for a long time.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, not on staff. But he was a guy
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 4: who worked out guys in the off season a VP.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 5: Is that why you know him? Like you know high
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 5: level meetings that you know?
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 4: I know him from? I know him from other do
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 4: you work you out? Might have been a family member?
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 5: See, you never know when you pull a thread what
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 5: you're gonna find?
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 4: Uh, with the draft and the Patriots having so many holes,
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: I'm fine with drafting anyone at pick four that fills
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 4: a hole. What do you guys think? Yeah, sure, sure,
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 4: there we go. And what do you do with the
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 4: kicker position? Do you draft one or sign one?
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 5: Do not draft one?
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 7: Please?
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 6: I try to get Sly back, and they already brought
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 6: back Parker Romo. They signed him to a future contract.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 6: He was on the practice squad. So I mean, i'd
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 6: like to.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 5: You know, you have seven names of the guys they
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 5: signed it.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 6: Not off the top of my not off the top
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 6: of my head, but I can tell you if you
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 6: give me a second.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 4: Well, while you're doing that, I think we might have
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 4: already mentioned this. Tom Peliasaro is reporting that the Bengals
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 4: are interviewing or planned to interview, DeMarcus Covington.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 5: I don't think we said it on the air for
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 5: their DC job.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel caught with Pelisaro's a good source.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 9: Yeah, DeMarcus Covington was on the right track. You almost
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 9: feel bad for him because he was he was headed
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 9: in a head coaching direction. Many people thought he was
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 9: on Tom Pelliser's list of future head coaching candidates earlier
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 9: this season. Then obviously what's happens happened, so him catching
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 9: on someplace else at that level would not be all
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 9: that surprising.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you're ready for this list, Paul.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 6: This is Uh, let's see if I was gonna make
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 6: up some names to see if I could get you.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 6: I want you that though.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 7: Caleb Jones.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 5: From Caleb Jones, John Giles.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 7: John Giles, you got the kicker that you are?
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 23: Yeah?
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 5: How about the kick thirty five guy? My guy? Is
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 5: he one? They don't have to do it because he
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 5: was on the roster.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he might be under contract though, because they signed
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 6: him up to the promote him.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 7: Mark Perry safety didn't see much of him. Uh.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 6: Marcus Harris, another defensive lineman, never really saw him.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 23: Uh.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 7: I think that's about it. Yeah, maybe missed one, but
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 7: futures contracts, Giles Jones.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 4: Something just popped up on the Sports Boston uh show,
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 4: Albert Breer's coming. This is his opinion that if the
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 4: Patriots don't go through a thorough search, you know, it's
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 4: going to be a really bad look for them, you know,
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 4: based on what's happened. But here's the problem.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 5: Who's who decides where the thorough search.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 4: Who's well that? But here's the problem, Like, if the
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 4: main two candidates are two guys right now, like they're
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 4: the hot ones and you want one of them, don't
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 4: you have to move fast because there's a lot of suitors, right,
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, like we don't have I don't know if
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: they have the luxury.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 6: Of rolling out fifteen guys over the next three weeks if.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 4: They want one of those two.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 5: Guys, so that it's not a thorough search, right.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 4: But but it could be out of necessity that they
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 4: have to move fast. But it's what I'm saying.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 5: But if you're having a thorough search, you don't know
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 5: that you have to move fast. What do you mean
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 5: if you don't know who the coach is and you're
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 5: going to interview, say ten guys, there's no need to
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 5: Why would I know I have to move.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 4: Fast because you want one of those two guys?
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 5: Correct, So it's not a thorough search, okay, because you
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 5: know which one you want already.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 4: But I think the consensus of everyone is those are
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 4: the two best candidates, So don't you want one of
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 4: the two best candidates.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 5: There's not the consensus of me, I have no idea
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 5: who's available. I don't know what these guys. Well, I
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 5: don't want Byron Leftwich. No, he's been out of football
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 5: for two years. I'm going to guess no.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 9: But like, no of all that, No, seriously.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 5: When a better candidate. I have no idea, right.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 4: So I'm just saying all these names out there, like
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 4: it seems like people in the know say that the
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 4: two top the two prizes of this.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 5: But don't you think that's because they know that those
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 5: are the only two guys I don't know, And I'm sorry, Well.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't I don't know what other guys.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 4: I don't I don't know any of these other guys.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 4: I'm just basing it off there.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 9: You're right. I mean Ben Johnson's been at the top
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 9: of the list for three cycles now this is the
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 9: third cycle that he is a top name in the
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 9: coaching cycle.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 5: And you wouldn't have to go fast for him. You
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 5: got me, You get all the time in your world
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 5: do you want for him? He's going to be in
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 5: the playoffs for a while. Yeah, you can't hire him.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 9: Not until the end.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 4: Well, you're interviewing him, right, you can interview you can't
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 4: make him an offer, sure, but you can't sign him. No,
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 4: but you can make them you know, you can make
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 4: it a handshake deal. No rush, this is what you're
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 4: talking about.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 5: No rush, there's no rush. You can't sign with anybody.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 4: He can't. But he can agree to a deal.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 5: You always just tell me, you know, don't take don't
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 5: agree to any deals. When you're done with the play.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 5: We want to respect for you. I want you to
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 5: put your best foot forward for the Detroit Lions. You
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 5: work for the Detroit Lions. But give us an opportunity
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 5: to meet with you again when when your season's over.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 4: Okay, what if another team during this cycle says, here's
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 4: the deal we will offer you. We would like a
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 4: yes or no.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 5: Now, you got to make sure that he doesn't do that.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 4: I know, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 5: So then you're not having research. That's all I'm saying. No,
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 5: if identified two guys, you're right, and if you ask me,
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 5: they've identified one. I couldn't make it myself, but i'm not.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 5: I failed like I only made it one more minute.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 4: You're right, you're right. You're you're saying that we want
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 4: one of these two guys But what I'm asking is,
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 4: are there anybody that the good as those two guys?
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 5: I think that you know his name?
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if you if you let these two guys go
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 4: and you don't get them, are you failing.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 9: I think there's I think there's one other guy that
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 9: there's complications, So I don't know if it's a true candidate,
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 9: But Brian Flores is the only other guy that I
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 9: think is in the category with those two. If you
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 9: throw out the lawsuit against the league, which is a
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 9: big thing to just throw out, but just on merit,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 9: it to me it's a two and a half horse
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 9: race just on marriage. I know you're able, John's I
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 9: get your.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 5: Point for it. I just I just feel like I
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 5: I push back a little bit that they're really interested
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 5: in anybody other than No, but the guys that you.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 4: Think about these guys as free agents, you know, like
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 4: if and these are wide receivers, if the two top
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 4: wide receivers are out there and you're you know, taking
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 4: your time, you're going to miss out on the two
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 4: best wide receivers.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's not apples to apples because you don't
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 5: have to wait until the season's over to sign a
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 5: wide receiver like that you have to wait to free agency.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 5: Everybody starts in the same spot.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 5: Like, so that's but.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 4: If you don't act quickly, you lose out.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, so I know the Patriots lost out when
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 5: they signed Bill Belichick, but they waited until February to
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 5: do it and won six Super Bowls.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 4: Well, they had to give up a first round pick
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 4: to do that. That wasn't apples to apples.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 5: It's not. But what I'm saying is, let's not equate
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 5: waiting with failing, because it doesn't mean that you failed.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 5: If you take a little time to make the.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 4: Right you fail to get the one of the two
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 4: best guys.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 5: No, you failed to get one of the two guys
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 5: that you've identified.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 4: Everybody's identified, doesn't right, I know, but it.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 5: Just seems as I believe that there's only two candidates.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 4: But Paul, it just seems to be such a consensus
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 4: among everybody.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 5: Because they know who the Patriots are interested in. That's
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 5: the consensus, friend.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 4: No consensus among the league that these are the two
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 4: prizes of this cycle.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 5: Listen, Ben Johnson, as Evan just said, has been at
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 5: the top of this carouself for a while.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 4: And only because he didn't want to get into the pool.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 4: Is he not a head coach? Right?
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 5: But people are talking about this because those are the
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 5: two guys that are tied, right. They're not talking about,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 5: you know, Joe Brady, who's also getting interviews laughing, right,
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 5: How do you know he's not better than all of them?
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 4: I don't know that, and neither and will.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 5: Never know because we're not interested. Well, we're interested in
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 5: the two that we've identified because the media is telling
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 5: us these are the two guys. It's that media, not
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 5: the Patriots. I'm talking about us, Like we've identified these
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 5: two us.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, certainly. I have no idea.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 5: Now listen, I said at the start of the show,
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 5: and I'll say it now too, Like if it's Mike Rabel,
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 5: I love Mike Rabel, I think he's a really good coach. Like,
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 5: I don't want this to be coming off like I'm
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 5: going to be disappointed Mike, and I certainly won't be disappointed.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 5: If it's the next sort of you know, new fangled
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 5: offensive mastermind in Ben Johnson, that's not going to disappoint
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 5: me either.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 4: But all I'm saying is, while we're being thorough, these
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 4: two guys are going to get job.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 5: I like these two guys, and if they get one
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 5: of those two guys, I think you probably would look
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 5: at a success. But I don't really think that you're
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 5: conducting a wide search.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 4: That's all could be.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 9: And maybe this does change, but I just think that
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 9: to see today Pep Hamilton and Byron Lefwich getting in
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 9: person interviews as coaching free agents, it just it just doesn't.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 9: It rose me the wrong way.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 4: Well, that's all I mean.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 9: Yeah, And so now we're just gonna like I just
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 9: I want to know in the press conference is because
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 9: this is like we're getting to the point where this
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 9: thing is obviously already been been wrapped up.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 5: And that's I guess That's all I'm saying is I
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 5: wish that we were interviewing more people, interested in more people.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 4: I wish there were more people to interview.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 5: And there's a ton of people to interview.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, like top quality guys.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 5: I think there were a ton of people to interview.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 9: Really yeah, I think if you look at the lists,
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 9: you know, if they were interviewing I don't need it
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 9: to be fifteen guys, but if they were interviewing Rabel
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 9: Johnson Brady, Aaron Glenn, Brian Flores like those.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 5: Liam Cohen, those are the top guys.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 9: So if you interview five, four or five six of
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 9: those guys, then that's a legitimate search and it.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 5: Could still come back to and I would agree with you.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 5: Rabel and Johnson, those are the two top ones. Like
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 5: I don't let's push what happens. I'm not pushing back
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 5: on that at all.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 4: I mean about these two guys today, but I don't
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 4: know who the rest of the week they're gonna interview.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and then I'll we'll have a show on Thursday,
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 5: and you know, maybe they've interviewed four other guys and
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 5: I'm like, this is That's all I wanted to thank you.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 5: This is exactly what I was hoping for.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 4: I've seen other teams, like you know, go on social
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 4: media and list the interviews they have lined up. We
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 4: haven't done that or won't do that. I don't know, but.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 5: That'd be great. But if they teams are moving fast,
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 5: you know, like if that happens, I'd be I'd really
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 5: be happy about that. And then again it can be Rabel.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 5: I'm fine with that.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's go to Ian and Raleigh North Carolina. What's up? Ian?
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 5: Hi?
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 26: How are you guys?
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 4: Good? Hello?
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 26: I just wanted to call because you know, I've been
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 26: talking with a lot of my friends here actually in
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 26: North Carolina about the Patriots head coach and search and
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 26: everything like that. Kind of what we determined was, I
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 26: hope that the fans can understand that while I don't
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 26: always agree with it, Mike Grabile was fired from Tennessee,
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 26: and I think he's a great head coach and I
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 26: would be happy with him, and the same thing with
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 26: it Jonathan. He's never head coached like anywhere before. So
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 26: I just worry that, you know, these things take time,
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 26: that one of these guys is going to get in
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 26: here and it's not going as well as fans hoped
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 26: it would early, and that we don't give up like
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 26: a year in, we're doing this again. I just hope
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 26: like fans can understand that Ben Johnson many a little
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 26: time once gets in to be a head coach.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 4: Well, Ian, I hear what you're saying, and I hope
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 4: I agree with you. But what if it looks as
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 4: bad or worse than Gerard's first year? What do you do?
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 5: I pulled a plug?
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Well that's the thing. That's the thing I.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 5: Pulled the plug, right.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 9: I don't think there's any chance of that happening.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 5: Well, then I agree.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 4: I don't think it can't make a blanket statement that
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 4: you always need to give a person time, not when
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 4: it's a complete because it was.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 5: He didn't get fired because they went four and thirteen.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 4: Right. It's just extremely But I agree with Ian. You
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 4: hope that whoever it is shows enough promise that you're
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 4: giving them time.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 9: There's no doubt that the personnel side of it is
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 9: going to have to catch up. But it just is
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 9: really encouraging to me that Ben Johnson has held his
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 9: water for as long as he has. Give you another example,
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 9: like Tamiko Ryans did the same thing. Demiko Ryans could
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 9: have been a head coach two years earlier than what
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 9: he ended up being in Houston because he said, I'm
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 9: going to learn. I'm going to be patient, I'm going
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 9: to wait for the right job. I'm going to learn
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 9: the tricks of the trade. I'm going to be ready
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 9: when my opportunity comes. I'm going to be ready. And
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 9: that's exactly what Ben Johnson has done. And so I
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 9: just can't imagine that he's finally going to make the
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 9: leap and be an epic disaster. He's got too much training.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's go to Boston Cream. What's up Boston Cream?
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 25: Hey guys, I feel like I'm the last collar here.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 25: I'm like the hammer and curling or like the closer.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 25: Uh quick question for Evan.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 7: Have you washed?
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 25: I have you watched Josh Simmons? And what do you think?
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 9: I have watched Josh Simmons?
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 25: Yes, what do you think?
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 9: It's a it's a it's a tough one with context
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 9: that I don't know if we have four minutes for.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 9: But you know, he was very, very good against bad competition,
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 9: so we never got to see him against the top
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 9: level competition on Ohio State schedule. So that's the catch is.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 9: You know, when he's playing Iowa and Michigan State and
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 9: you know whatever, you know, Western Michigan and all these schools,
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 9: he looked dominant. But would he have done the same
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 9: against you know, Michigan, Oregon, you know the college football playoff?
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 9: Now we don't know he got hurt.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 25: That's very fair.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 4: I feel like, can you fill me in on Hua.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 5: He's a twenty twenty three version of college tackles yeah.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 7: Version.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 9: He was Ohio State's left tackle and he's got all
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 9: of the tools, you know, long, athletic, explosive, great blocker.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 9: But he got hurt after five games this year, blew
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 9: out his knee towards a cluh pretty severe injury, and
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 9: so he did get to the meat of Ohio State schedule,
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 9: so he didn't actually play the tough opponents this year.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 9: So he dominated bad competition in the year.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 7: Right, that wasn't very bostible creamy.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, like a real football question, but he's very cerebral.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 7: What are we doing well?
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 25: And my next question is, how come no one's talking
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 25: about urban Meyer?
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 5: There you go, you go, Okay, way to bring Now
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 5: you really are the closer. Good job, Boston.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 9: There are some college coaches in the cycle, not Urban Meyer.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 4: Well, what about Steve Sarkisian.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 9: I love that idea, but it's not going to happen.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 4: Why coach?
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 9: I just don't think they'll do that because you know,
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 9: there's obviously a stigma against hiring college coaches like him.
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 9: I love Steven, but he has NFL experience. He has
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 9: NFL experience. That's that's the difference. If he's coordinated at
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 9: the NFL level successfully with Atlanta. But he's yeah, he's
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 9: one of the best offensive minds at any level of football,
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 9: but he's a college coach.
• 1:58:45
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