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Holding on or letting go? Examining the Tigers' longer-term outlook · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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  Speaker 1: the Territory Network, Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm Kieren Secley with me,
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  Speaker 1: as always is a man whose definition of header is
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  Speaker 1: different than the rest of the world.
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  Speaker 2: He's Cody Stavenhagen. How are we doing.
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  Speaker 3: You're doing all right, Kieren? How are you?
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  Speaker 2: I am good?
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  Speaker 4: We are recording this.
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  Speaker 1: There is no game on Thursday, so therefore we are
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  Speaker 1: going and moving forward.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought, you know, with this off day, I
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  Speaker 2: thought this.
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  Speaker 1: Was a good opportunity, Cody, to just kind of go
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more broad, a little bit more big picture,
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  Speaker 1: kind of check ourselves a little bit about how we're
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  Speaker 1: feeling about not necessarily the players on the team, but
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  Speaker 1: just like aspects of the squad that have kind of
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  Speaker 1: led us to this point, and do like a little
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  Speaker 1: projection projection moving forward.
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  Speaker 4: So what I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Titling this is.
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  Speaker 1: I just wrote down a bunch of things, and I
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  Speaker 1: think we need to kind of put him in one
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  Speaker 1: of three categories, hold on, let go, or hold on
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  Speaker 1: loosely shout out thirty eight special. So we'll do we'll
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  Speaker 1: do a quick one to just kind of get it off,
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  Speaker 1: to get the concept Trek Schouogl finishing the season with
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  Speaker 1: the Detroit Tigers. Should we hold on to that notion,
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  Speaker 1: should we let go of that notion?
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  Speaker 4: Or should we hold on loosely to it.
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  Speaker 3: Jeff Passing this this week, had estimated the Tigers have
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  Speaker 3: eighty five percent odds of trading him. At the conclusion
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  Speaker 3: of Wednesday's game, the Tigers playoff odds, we're seventeen point
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  Speaker 3: one percent. I would say the Tigers' odds of getting
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  Speaker 3: back to a more manageable form of play off contention
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  Speaker 3: before the trade deadline is probably well lower than seventeen percent.
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  Speaker 3: So I think there's a ninety percent chance that that
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  Speaker 3: that we got to let go of Trek Skougle staying
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  Speaker 3: in Detroit.
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  Speaker 4: There's a lot of numbers there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously, eighty five is just kind of a fun
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  Speaker 1: number to throw out there if you're, you know, passing
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  Speaker 1: doing this exercise, and and and for the record, Schoogle
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  Speaker 1: wasn't the only Tiger that was mentioned in that sort
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  Speaker 1: of trade deadline primer of sorts that that that passed
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  Speaker 1: in ESPN put out. But yeah, I don't you know,
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  Speaker 1: I tend to say that you gotta let go of
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  Speaker 1: that because the results I have to kind of dictated.
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  Speaker 1: That feels like the move right now, as much as
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  Speaker 1: it really pains me to say it, as much as
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  Speaker 1: just in a vacuum, I don't want it to be
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  Speaker 1: the case there, and we'll have plenty of time to
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  Speaker 1: talk about. We don't have to go in depth right now.
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  Speaker 1: But it just kind of feels like, if nothing else,
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  Speaker 1: if nothing else, Cody, it just kind of feels like
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  Speaker 1: this is where the train is heading, and the Tigers
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  Speaker 1: don't really have anyone to blame but themselves. So that's
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  Speaker 1: just as I like to say, the reality of the situation.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's go to another one. Dylan Dingler being
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  Speaker 1: an elite defender. Now, we're coming off the Houston series
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  Speaker 1: where he had the pass ball, the very rarely scored
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  Speaker 1: pass ball that allowed a run, and then on Saturday
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  Speaker 1: had the throwing area that also allowed the run against
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  Speaker 1: Cleveland on the double steel. So should we hold on,
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  Speaker 1: let go or hold on loosely to this notion Dylan
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  Speaker 1: Dingler is an elite defensive catcher.
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  Speaker 3: We can hold on to it. He's going to be
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  Speaker 3: a finalist to win a second consecutive Gold Glove. We'll
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  Speaker 3: see if he actually wins it or not. But he's
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  Speaker 3: just fine. He's still a terrific framer, terrific thrower, terrific blocker,
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  Speaker 3: terrificut using the a BS. He does it all.
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  Speaker 4: We can.
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  Speaker 3: We can hold onto that one. Let's not ever react there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, obviously I agree.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, just the the sheer like the Unfortunately, he
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  Speaker 1: is such a great defensive catcher that when moments like
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  Speaker 1: what happened in Cleveland and then what happened uh uh
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  Speaker 1: Tuesday in Houston, it actually like just as a you know,
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  Speaker 1: as an observer, you're just like it's kind of deflating.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, look, dude, if I can't just like bank
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  Speaker 1: on Dylan Dingler being able to catch a change of
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  Speaker 1: you know, you know, off the you know, not even
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  Speaker 1: off the ground above the ground, and then make a
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  Speaker 1: clean throw to third base, Like, I don't know, is
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  Speaker 1: there even a point in watching this game?
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like you just like chalk
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  Speaker 2: up the.
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  Speaker 4: L That's that's how great he is.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, hold on and hold on dearly to to Dylan
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  Speaker 1: Dingler's defensive skill set there because obviously one of the
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  Speaker 1: better assets that that the Tigers have and then you
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  Speaker 1: know what related we can just kind of move on
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  Speaker 1: to this one from Barvaldez Valdez excuse me, Valdez being
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  Speaker 1: Ace adjacent ACE like, because.
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  Speaker 2: What we saw in Houston.
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned it on our last episode, But what we
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  Speaker 1: saw in Houston was I thought one of the more
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  Speaker 1: I would say satisfactory. That's kind of how I would
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  Speaker 1: put it, satisfactory or performances that we've seen from Fromber,
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  Speaker 1: given the up and down nature, given some of the uh,
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  Speaker 1: how do I phrase this correctly? Given the coolness that
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  Speaker 1: he exhibited with all the extenuating circumstances of being in
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  Speaker 1: Houston against his former team, guys that you know he's
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  Speaker 1: won a championship with, and like all the memories kind
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  Speaker 1: of flooding in. If there was ever a game where
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  Speaker 1: just like something could kind of get away from you,
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  Speaker 1: it would be an example like that, and he never
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  Speaker 1: allowed that. He obviously put them in position to win,
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  Speaker 1: So like Fromber Valdez could be sooner than a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people would have liked, is your ace? So fromber Valdes,
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  Speaker 1: hold on, let go hold on loosely him being ace.
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  Speaker 3: Like, Yeah, I do want to give Fromber credit for
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  Speaker 3: his last outing. We didn't really get to that much
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  Speaker 3: on our last episode. It was kind of buried beneath
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  Speaker 3: another series loss. But he was really good, and that's
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  Speaker 3: why I think you can hold on loosely. He has
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  Speaker 3: a four h nine ERA so far this season. His
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  Speaker 3: last ten starts last year we're not very good. So really,
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  Speaker 3: his last twenty five starts in the major leagues not
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  Speaker 3: at all ace level production. That's not great, but we've
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  Speaker 3: still seen some really high end outings. I mean, six
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  Speaker 3: scoreless during the home opener, did what he did in
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  Speaker 3: his return to Houston. He's had some other very nice outings.
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  Speaker 3: It is in there. The execution, for whatever reason, just
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  Speaker 3: hasn't been the same. I don't really think it's been
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  Speaker 3: a stuff problem. It's been an execution and location problem.
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  Speaker 3: But fromber is still really good. It's still capable of
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  Speaker 3: high end outings. The question is like, can you help
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  Speaker 3: him get back to unlocking that best version of himself?
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  Speaker 3: What is causing the command to be a little more spotty?
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  Speaker 3: I wrote about a little bit about like the abs
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  Speaker 3: the bottom of the strike zone is higher. Does that
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  Speaker 3: make it harder on a pitcher who historically just rides
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  Speaker 3: that bottom rail with his sinker maybe, but you also
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  Speaker 3: look at some of the sinkers he's thrown or pitches
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  Speaker 3: that have done done damage against him, Like some of
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  Speaker 3: them have just been straight up misses, doesn't matter if
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  Speaker 3: they're low, whatever they've they've been way higher than they
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  Speaker 3: should be. Breaking balls have been elevated over the middle.
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  Speaker 3: So that's what it comes down to. But there's a
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  Speaker 3: good version of Fromber in there. We just saw it. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: there's gonna be a lot of pressure on him though
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  Speaker 3: next year, assuming Derek Scogle is not back to be
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  Speaker 3: the guy, you can't really have the four e er
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  Speaker 3: a version of Fromber. That's that's not gonna be good
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  Speaker 3: enough given the money he is making.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's that's always gonna be part of the
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  Speaker 1: conversation with Fromber is like can you be a leader
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  Speaker 1: leader of the clubhouse? You literally and metaphorically and then
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  Speaker 1: just like you know, you got the money, this is
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  Speaker 1: what it's you know, this is what the money's for.
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  Speaker 1: So we're gonna have plenty of time to discuss that.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Here's one that unfortunately, I really do mean unfortunately it
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  Speaker 1: probably seems pretty simple. Jami Jones as a weapon off
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  Speaker 1: the bench, hold on, let go or hold on loosely?
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  Speaker 3: Time to let go four of your last fifty seven.
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  Speaker 3: It's just not gonna work. We discussed it. But if
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  Speaker 3: not for the glabor tore his injury, he might not
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  Speaker 3: still be here. I don't know how much longer he's
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  Speaker 3: going to be here. I don't know. It is interesting,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Aj Hinch keeps putting him out there. His
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  Speaker 3: AJ lost his mind. Where is AJ trying to do
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  Speaker 3: signal something to the front office. We've quite honestly seen
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  Speaker 3: him do that for six years now. Yeah, you want
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  Speaker 3: to know how AJ's feeling. Pay close attention that we
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  Speaker 3: use this play. We've seen a lot with relief pitchers
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  Speaker 3: over the years. When he wants a guy no longer
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  Speaker 3: on his roster, he just starts using them a lot
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  Speaker 3: and they fail, which is is maybe not great, but
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  Speaker 3: like typically when they're behind or whatever. And even you know,
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  Speaker 3: AJ gave that long quote about Jami a while back
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  Speaker 3: in which he supported him, said we believe in him,
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  Speaker 3: said we're working with him. They also kind of said,
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  Speaker 3: I'm using the roster the way it's designed to function.
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  Speaker 3: Scott Ayers gave Aj Hinch this roster and he is
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  Speaker 3: still managing it like it was designed to function. I
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  Speaker 3: would argue it's pastime to stop doing that. But I
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  Speaker 3: wonder if there's a little bit of like this is
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  Speaker 3: on the front office too, and if the front office
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  Speaker 3: is continuing to give him these parts he's he's he's
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  Speaker 3: going to do what they tell him. I think it's
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  Speaker 3: a weird situation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I you know, I do mean this sincerely,
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  Speaker 1: Like when and I'm anticipating it's gonna happen, when the
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  Speaker 1: Jamai Jones era comes to a close, it really will
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  Speaker 1: be like a moment like like you'll look back like
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  Speaker 1: that was just nuts. Jamai Jones coming off the bench
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  Speaker 1: hitting lefties at a nine to eighty ops.
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  Speaker 4: Or whatever, like it was.
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  Speaker 1: It was one of those things that is just it
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  Speaker 1: was so outlandish at the time that you couldn't help
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  Speaker 1: but just like be wowed by it. And part of
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  Speaker 1: the wow is what we've seen this year is that
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  Speaker 1: that just really wasn't him, and so like he deserves
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  Speaker 1: credit for that, and now the reality of the situation
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  Speaker 1: is it's just sucks.
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  Speaker 3: I really don't enjoy being like critical, Like I've written
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  Speaker 3: about Jemai's father and his relationship with his mother, his dad,
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  Speaker 3: and brother played for the Detroit Lions. He homered in
• 10:49
  Speaker 3: his first game in Detroit as a Tiger. Like, it's
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  Speaker 3: really been a magical baseball story and a magical family story.
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  Speaker 3: And this is a great guy, but life in the
• 10:59
  Speaker 3: big leagues is really tough.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well said.
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• 12:49
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• 13:02
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess hold on loosely. Like a lot of
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  Speaker 3: these guys, there is a better version of Carrie Carpenter
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  Speaker 3: in there. And also, so long as the Tigers are
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  Speaker 3: constructed this way and so long as aj Hinch manages
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  Speaker 3: the roster the way it's designed to function. There's always
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  Speaker 3: who matches righties, and that guy's always gonna play because
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  Speaker 3: you're gonna see a lot of right handed pitching. The
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  Speaker 3: power for Carrie still plays, quite honestly. What's troubling is
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  Speaker 3: like his plate approach has completely eroded. His strikeout rate
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  Speaker 3: right now is over thirty two, bottom three percent tile
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  Speaker 3: in the entire league. Go back to last year, his
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  Speaker 3: past five hundred and seventy two at bats, he has
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  Speaker 3: a two to ninety seven one base percentage, So that's
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  Speaker 3: not walking at all was a big problem. This year,
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  Speaker 3: walk rate's a little more manageable. Rikeout rate has jumped
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  Speaker 3: through the roof. I think we've seen teams really understand
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  Speaker 3: how they can attack and get him to chase sliders
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  Speaker 3: outside or beat him above the zone. And this may
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  Speaker 3: be one reason that, again, like the Jami Jones problem,
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  Speaker 3: what is its solution? One reason is you probably don't
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  Speaker 3: have faith in carry Carpenter hitting lefties. He's only done
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  Speaker 3: it for a five ninety nine ops in his career,
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  Speaker 3: and now righty's are finding more ways to get him out.
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  Speaker 3: Imagine you're really gonna put that guy, you know again
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  Speaker 3: in more bad matchups. That's one reason like that Jami
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: Jones is still playing. Quite frankly, right there, we're talking
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: about the things Kerry Carpenter doesn't do well when he's
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: almost always in advantageous matchups for him. So, look, it'd
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  Speaker 3: be nice if you could get a more complete hitter
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  Speaker 3: out of Carrie. And we've seen glimpses of it, we've
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  Speaker 3: seen seasons of it before it exists. It'd be nice
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  Speaker 3: to start seeing a little bit more of that.
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  Speaker 1: And to your point, this season, coming into Wednesday's game,
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  Speaker 1: he has fourteen walks eighteen only only eighteen and twenty
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  Speaker 1: two the previous two seasons, and that's you know, full seasons,
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  Speaker 1: fifty one games played for Kerry Carpenter, So that part
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  Speaker 1: raise I think the key is for carry Carpenter. Can
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: we raise the ceiling? Well, yeah, raise the floor excuse me,
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  Speaker 1: while keeping a pretty moderate ceiling. And then you have
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  Speaker 1: that old, it's his age twenty eight season. All right,
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  Speaker 1: All right, coming back here, how about one that I
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  Speaker 1: think is some level of disappointment, and not necessarily anybody's fault,
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  Speaker 1: But just like, hey man, it would have been fun
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  Speaker 1: to see Max Clark make his debut in twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 1: It still may happen, don't get me wrong, but that
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  Speaker 1: felt like somewhat of a certainty somewhat And now I
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  Speaker 1: just I don't know. I just don't get the vibe
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  Speaker 1: that that's as much on the table as it was
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  Speaker 1: so Max Clark, especially, give him the injuries and all
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  Speaker 1: that stuff. Perhaps being a spark plug in twenty twenty six,
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  Speaker 1: hold on, let go, or hold on loosely.
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  Speaker 3: In terms of being a spark plug in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 3: six debuting, Yeah, it depends on how you define it.
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  Speaker 4: I am.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe we can go holding on loosely. Max has done
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: some thing's a little better lately. He has three homers
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  Speaker 3: in June. I do believe one's off a position player.
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  Speaker 3: He's only hitting two forty four, but the ops is
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  Speaker 3: up eight h two. He's been elevating the ball a
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: little bit more, it would seem, although he has no
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: doubles so far this month. So I'm just gonna stop
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: looking at these staffs before I tuck myself out of it.
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  Speaker 3: In the best version of this year, Tigers would be
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  Speaker 3: in first place right now, and Max Clark would be
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: killing it in Toledo, and you'd be just waiting to
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: bring him up. If he hadn't brought him up already
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: as an injury replacement. Maybe he'd solve all your center
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: field woes, and you're comfortable and confident calling him up,
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: burning his rookie eligibility whatever, because you thought you were
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: going to win the World Series and you thought he
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: could be a real spark. The more likely scenario now
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: is that the Tigers sell everybody at the deadline in
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: the second half. You're seeing a lot of how You
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Lee and Max Anderson, and maybe Max Clark as well.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: I do think if the Tigers are out of it,
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: they're almost more incentivized to try to hold onto his
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: rookie eligibility. There's just less urgency in trying to get
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: him to the big leagues. But if you get to
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: the end of August early September, it would still be
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: starting a service clock. But assuming Max continues to make
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: some progress, I think you'd want to see him in
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: the big leagues this year. Maybe too late for it
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: to matter in the standings. I don't know. Maybe it won't.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Maybe there's a twenty twenty four run waiting. Maybe they
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: sell everyone and then Max Clark is the ultimate spark plug.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Getting a lot harder to see, But I still think
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: there's a good chance we can see him play in
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: the major leagues this year, and hey, this is Max Clark.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be a fascinating experience. No matter what happens,
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: I'll get people to turn on the TV.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, for sure.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: I just I'm more let go than I've ever been,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: just because it just doesn't I just don't feel a sense.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: Of urgency from the organization.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: It's not necessarily specific to the season that Max has
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: had this year, but it just kind of feels like
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: if they might just opt to just kind of give
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: him one home for a season and just kind of
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: see where they're at, you know, afterward, and project from there.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Although I will have plenty of time to conversate about
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: whether it's worth it to burn a year of service
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: time or you know whatever, so we can get to that,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: it just kind of feels like you might have to
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: let go of this notion that he could has some
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: sort of role on this team because you know there
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: are opportunities to do it.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: We certainly had him.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: You want to rub the crystal ball and gaze into
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: the future, Kieren. Max Clark right now has one extra
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: base hit against a left handed pitcher in Triple A.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: It's in two seventy nine against lefties, but no power.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: For the sake of all of us, Max, please hit
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: lefties so we don't have to have this conversation.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: In six more years of why are they hitting for
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Max Clark?
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: Please?
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Max, please just do it. It sparrows that conversation.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: Oh man, that's funny.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: All right, let's uh, let's do uh, let's do it
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: with another lefty cold Keith Now this week he hit
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: three home runs in one game. He's got thirteen right
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: each of his past each of the past two seasons.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: I believe that is correct, Keith having twenty homer power.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Hold on, let go hold on loosely.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Ooh, that's a good one. I would like to hold
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: on loosely, but he has played a lot of ball
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: now and we haven't seen that consistent level of power.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: There also is the good old power comes last. I'm
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: not going to rule out I am holding one loosely
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: to fact Cole Keith will have a twenty home run
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: season his major league career. Jake Rogers has a twenty
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: home run season his major league career. So you know
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: what I'm holding on to it? I am He may
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: never become the twenty five to thirty homer masher that
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: maybe we once expected, but col Keith can still hit
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: the ball. Accessing his power has probably always been the
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: biggest crux for him, at least the major league level,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: but he can do it. There's a long list of
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: guys who you know popped off for twenty a time
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: a time or two in there career, even if it
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: wasn't really who they were. I think if Robbie Grossman
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: can be a twenty one twenty homer hitter, col Keith
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: can be a twenty home run hitter at some point.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: I agree.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I'm holding on if no other reason, then I just
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: can't look at a ballplayer that looks like cold Keith so.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: It's ol Keith and just not believe.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: That is their So I'm holding on. I'm holding on Keith,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: all right, hold on let go or hold on loosely.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Specter Torkelsen heying a grand slam. It gets brought up
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: every time. It's one of those things that I actually like.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: It just defies logic. And in case people don't know,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Specter Torkelsen with the career with the bases loaded is
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: a point zero eight three hitter. He has fifteen Ribby's
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: with the bases loaded in his career. Cody, however, he's
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: been walked three times and been hit once, so so
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: four of those RBIs are gifted. Basically you want to
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: say earned or in a walk and I don't want
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: to take anything away from that, but you understand why
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: free passes.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: So how many actual hits does he have with the
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: bases loaded?
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: One he has right in front of me, three three,
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: There we go.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: He's due for a fourth, right, and we all know
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Toork can run run into a Homer every now and then.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: I think eventually, I think he can do it. Maybe right.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Water has to find its level at some point.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: It's not like Specter Turklsen is Mickey Mantle, but like
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: it has to find its water at some point.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: With this Torks, Regardless of what you think of Spencer Torklesen,
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: his career splits with the bases loaded defy all logic
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: It makes me think there may be is some real
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: mental block where there are ducks on the pond and
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: he gets up there and doesn't know what to do.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: It reminds me in peak Jake Arietta here in twenty fifteen,
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: twenty sixteen, opposing batters went one for twenty two with
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: the bases loaded. I remember Miguel Montero saying, like Jake
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: got a big strikeout with base load, he sego, look
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: at the numbers, like he just locks in. He doesn't
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: allow anyone to get a hit when the bases are loaded.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: And that was when Arieta was as absolute peak, So
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: twenty one times. I don't know. I don't know if
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: he just had confidence going or what, but he came
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: through the rest of his career that wasn't necessarily the case.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know what to make of either of those
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: two instances. Sometimes baseball is weird like that, but I
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: do think there must be a little bit of a
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: mental factor at play for Torque when the bases areduced.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: It is is quite crazy.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: All right, Let's go to Zach McKinstry. He wasn't All
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Star last year. Not gonna say all Star here because
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: that's probably too high of a threshold to get but
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: hold on, let go, or hold on loosely to Zach
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: mckisstry kind of being like this utility all star for
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: the team, like for the team, like he has been
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: basically his entire Tiger career up to this point.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: You know, they've probably been like two or three different
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: times in McKinstry's Tiger's tenure where I was ready to
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: give up on them. I think there must have been
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: two to three times where the team was probably very
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: close to dfaing him.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: They did not.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: So it's been yet again a grind for McKinstry, which
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: leads me to believe he's due to probably hit four
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: hundred in the month of July. I've learned my lesson.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: I'm doubting Zach McKinstry. Obviously, he's got to turn it
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: around quick because it hasn't been there, and even some
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: of the the other things about the base running ability,
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: the small things he does well have kind of evaporated
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: this season. He's been picked off I think three times.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: You know, it's been inexplicable. It hasn't been great. Yeah,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: he's probably due to pop off, right, That's just how
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: this seems to work.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I understand where you're coming from.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Uh looks like you know shit on social idiot is
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: going to be a father soon caused to the McKinstry
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: family like this, And so I say all that to
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: say this, this version of Zach McKinstry what we're watching
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: is a is a big let go.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I will give some grace in the fact that like
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: that injury could be lingering. There's probably probably something that
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: we're uh that we're missing here. But it's like he
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: is down to sixty one percentile sprint speed, which is
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: just not Zach McKinstry.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: Ever, print speed.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Being down is very telling. He never quite looked right
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: to me when he came off the I l after
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: those weird collisions.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: So and and then but defensive range eighty seven percentile.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: I believe like it's great, but he just is not
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: offering you much of anything else right now. And Zach
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: McKinstry that we know and love has to offer you
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: something or something of everything and a lot of certain things,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: and that's just not happening right now. So this version
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: that we're seeing but in a vacuum is elect is
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: a let go. I would like it to be a
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: hold on loosely if he could just kind of get right. Unfortunately,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: it's hard to get right when you're playing baseball every day.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: It's a hard sport.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: I understand that, but that's just that's just kind of
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: the reality of the situation. All Right.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: We talked about this decent bit on our last episode, Cody,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: but the three headed monster at the back end of
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: the bullpen.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: Best Finnigan and ken Lee Jansen.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Being like this like backbone of your of your of
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: your team, hold on, let go or hold on loosely.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: I think I'm letting go. Maybe like I'm letting go,
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: and that doesn't mean I'm giving up on all three
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: of them. But the chances that all three of them
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: come together and are a three headed monster, I think
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: that ship has sailed. Kenley Jansen is what thirty eight
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: years old.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: There were a lot of red flags in his metrics
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: last season, and that's one reason he was really the
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: one off season edition I wasn't a fan of. He's
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: been wildly inconsistent this year, and part because he's been
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: hurt a couple different times. I'm a little worried about
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Kinley Jansen will vest I think there's a great pitcher
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: in there, man. I think a lot of teams would
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: be happy to have will Vest, but he hasn't been
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: quite quite peak will Vest, at least not in a
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: consistent fashion. And then Finnigan we did talk about last episode.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: The era is great, everything else is It's kind of
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: like Kenley Jansen last year is just red flags all
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: over the place. So I don't have a lot of
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: confidence that Finnigan's going to continue to get the same
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: results as as this season goes on. I wouldn't be
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: shocked if two of those three still have success in
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: their careers from this point on. But the idea of
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: that it all comes together this season, it's getting hard
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: to see. And also because they're real leaf pitchers, all three,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: even though I don't believe any of them are own
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: expiring deals, probably going to be talked about in the
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: potential of a trade deadline sell off.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Tigers have lost nine games this season when they were
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: leading in the eighth inning or later, So it's gonna
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: put that out there. That's a Tiger's data, all right. Well,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: the man that kind of has his fingerprints on everything
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: that we're talking about, aj Hinch as the strategic puppet
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: master of the Tigers squad?
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: Are we holding on?
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Are we letting go?
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: We holding on loosely?
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: I would like to see aj Hinch manage a good roster,
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: whether that whether that's in Detroit or someone else like
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: I would like to see him manage a roster that
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: doesn't need quite as much tinkering all the time. This
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: year it's begun to look like overmanaging. It didn't look
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: like overmanaging when it worked, but when it's not working,
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: it's kind of like, okay, is this going overboard? So
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: I would almost like to let go of that being
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: the case in Detroit, because I would like him to
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: not have to pinch hit all the time and not
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: have to get cute with the pitching all the time
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: as a result of the roster. I also don't have
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: a lot of confidence that at least in the next
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: let's say, one to two years, the Tigers are going
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: to be able to reshape things in a meaningful way
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: where he doesn't have to do that. So I don't
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: really know how to answer the question. I guess i'd
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: say hold on loosely. I think aj Hinch is a
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: really good manager. I've tried to be like transparent and
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: saying like that doesn't give him a pass. This is
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: year six, he had to win ninety games. He's he
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: had to win a division title as a Tiger. But
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: I think if you can get the right pieces, this
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: is one a top three guy alive that you might
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: want managing your team.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: This is also via Tiger's data, forty seven point three
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: success rate and a decision success rate, which is defined
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: by pinch hit opportunities to reach base advance a base
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: runner in mid ending pitching changes to avoid allowing to
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: run the score. That percentage forty seven point three is
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: twenty fifth in Major League Baseball, so obviously not good.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I'm holding on for the simple fact that you know,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe people call me a sucker, but like,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: if aj Hinch is somedenly free to pursue employment opportunities elsewhere,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: he'll have no shortage of suitors, and so like he is,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: he has been and will continue to be an asset
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: for your organization.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm a simple hold on.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: If you want to get critical about this thing or
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: that thing, that's fine, but overall, like damn lucky to
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: have aj.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: Hinch as your manager. In my opinion.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: All right, well let's go to the man upstairs. Then
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Cody mentioned it a couple of times here, Scott Harris
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: stacking of the good baseball moves, hold let go, hold on,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: let go, or hold on loosely.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: I'll answer this one first while you while you think
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: I'm not one to say that his job should be
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: in jeopardy, his seat should be hot. I'm not portraying that,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: but I do believe that this trade deadline, regardless but
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: especially if it trends how we're god anticipating eighty five
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: percent or whatever, is a career defining trade deadline for
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Scott Harris. I don't think there's any way around that.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: And he will be judged for it, you know, immediately
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: and in a couple of years and then years to
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: come about how he handles this trade deadline. So to me,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: that's a hold on loosely because it's not like he
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: has a lifetime contract. He hasn't earned the ability to
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: just kind of have the grace period that like a
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Dave Dobrowski or you know, or like even like a
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Brian Cashman, as criticized as he is. You know, all
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: these guys have a lot of pellets on the wall,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: so it can't be a hold on for me. But
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: it's a hold on loosely because I don't think his
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: job should be in jeopardy. But you do have to
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: nail this these next couple of months.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not ready to have the job safety conversation
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: or hot seat conversation yet. I think we got to
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: see how the rest of this season plays out. We
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: have to see how the trade deadline goes. But how
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: you originally frame the question, like are you buying Scott
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Harris as the stacker of great baseball moves? Or one
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: good baseball move on top of another? As he framed
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: it in his first press conference with the Tigers. To that,
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: I would just kind of say, what was the last
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: what was the last good baseball move? Drew Anderson's been solid,
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Like that's kind of all that. You know, you extended
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Kevin McGonagall, that was obviously great, and beyond that, like
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: the free agency track record, especially with pitching, well, the
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: hitting free agency track right is almost non existent. The
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: pitching has gotten quite bad, and just looked this year
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: ken Lee Jansen from Bervalde is a massive contract hasn't
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: quite worked out yet justin Verlander. We all know how
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: that's going. You can go back to last year, Alex Cobb,
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: the Trede Devine. Last year was a complete disaster. Kyle
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Finnigan was like a pretty was a pretty good trade acquisition,
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: but especially in the last the past, let's say two years,
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Like bringing in Jami Jones originally was good keeping. Jami
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Jones now is looking bad. It seems like this has
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: flipped from where they were never really any big moves
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: that were great, but they were the Tyler Holtons and
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: Andy Abanias and even Zach McKinstry, Matt Vierling like brought
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: in some marginal they were they were doing the winning
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: on the margins thing they've always talked about, and now
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: they are not winning on the margins. Their moves at
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: the margins have not been productive. The pitching depth all
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: up and down the system is a problem. Their ability
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: to identify pitching. They've lost whatever magic touch they briefly
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: had there. And they've put a lot of faith in
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: young position players. Kevin mcgonagall's gonna pay off. We don't
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: know yet if any of these other guys are so,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: I would I would say like I am beginning to
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: lose my grip on faith in stacking all these good
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: baseball moves just because the track record is no longer
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: all that good at all.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: The results are the results. That's that's a good way
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: to put it. Yeah, the results are the results.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: All right, Let's wrap up here with a little bit
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: of a fun one.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say less serious, but it's still kind
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: of serious. Uh, hold on, let go hold on loosely
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: to just always being uneasy watching Riley Green dive runs, sprint,
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  Speaker 1: doing all the motions, because we've talked it before about
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: like just you know how often they're using him, and
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: the gate just kind of feels like the gate at
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  Speaker 1: this point. But I just think we just got to
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: hold on to just being uneasy kind of watching him
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  Speaker 1: do all the other stuff besides hitting a baseball.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you're always going to feel that way. As
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  Speaker 3: long as he keeps hitting the baseball, you know, it's
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: totally fine and stays healthy. And I think that's the
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: subtext here, like can he stay healthy? He's done it
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: so well actually over the past two years, it's been great.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: I wrote about that a little bit. I googled the
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: eight sleep system that he bought, and now I'm getting
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: spammed with ads for a very expensive sleep cooling system
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  Speaker 3: that I cannot afford. So no, I don't know. I yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's easy to like make jokes or whatever, but Riley
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Green's a pretty good baseball player, believe it or not.
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  Speaker 3: I never actually lost sight of that. The dude can
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  Speaker 3: hit the ball. What does he look like in five
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: more years?
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  Speaker 4: You know what.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: I We'll worry about that one in five more years.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: How about that?
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: On all the list of anxieties around this team, he is.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: He is very way down, way down the list, and
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: and and a lot of it you can live with. Obviously,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: give him the talent that he has, and I will say, like,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: you know, still a fun guy to watch play defense,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: but makes the dive like that flair for the dramatic.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I still I still love Riley Green, while still being like,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: I hope he's okay.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: The sprint speeds started to go back down too. It
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: was like up a little at the start of the year.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: It's like back down again.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Of course, can't have everything, all right. I hope you
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: guys enjoyed that.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Just kind of like a different way to kind of
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: look at you know, various things that are happening with
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: this team. Unfortunately you can't help but kind of look
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: big picture, think big picture. I guess when when the
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: team is having such a disappointing season, we're gonna try
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: to do our best moving forward, just you know, be
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: in the day to day and the round level, but
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: also kind of keep in mind the big picture stuff
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: because the powers that be are having the way that
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: as well. So I think it's important for us to
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: think about it and then give our thoughts for you guys,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: and if you have any thoughts, you can hit us
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: up on x FOLM me no Twitter at Cody Stavenhagen.
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  Speaker 4: I am at Kieran Underscore Steckley.
• 38:15
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  Speaker 4: Guys know what to do.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: We appreciate all of you, So for Cody Stavenhagen, I
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: am Kieran Steckley. Everybody, have a great day,