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What's Happening at the Courthouse: A mother's plea to the justice system · "What's happening at the Courthouse?" with Rameez Khan

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  Speaker 1: For some prison is where it ends. For all, court
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  Speaker 1: is where it begins.
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  Speaker 2: This is a no TV show.
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  Speaker 3: This is the real world.
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  Speaker 1: And this is what's happening at the courthouse. On KFM
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  Speaker 1: Mornings with Roomies.
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  Speaker 4: Look it us out there in a good word REMI yes, okay,
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  Speaker 4: bracing all the elements and asking people that are coming
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  Speaker 4: in out of coming in and going in and coming
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  Speaker 4: out of court, one simple question.
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  Speaker 1: What are you doing at the court house today.
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  Speaker 2: As a complainant involving minor child contraventions of court orders?
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  Speaker 2: It is my minor child. It involves his father that
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  Speaker 2: is not observing parental plans that were made high court orders.
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  Speaker 1: So what what happened to break that.
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  Speaker 2: He is not observing? Contact in holiday I now attended
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  Speaker 2: an eighth year ring. The court is supposed to act
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  Speaker 2: urgently in matters involving minor children's. Yeah, that is what
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  Speaker 2: the Children's Act in fact stipulates, But in reality it
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  Speaker 2: isn't happening in our South African court.
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  Speaker 1: What is the delay though?
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  Speaker 2: Males are being allowed to get away where things that
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  Speaker 2: other people are not allowed to get away.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so we're getting into this now.
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  Speaker 2: This particular person has connections he's got status, he's got money,
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  Speaker 2: he's got influence, and like I said, this matter involves
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  Speaker 2: a child that has been unlawfully relocated basically at the
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  Speaker 2: factor abduction, and the child is being held in isolation
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  Speaker 2: in a small little place. The child should have immediately
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  Speaker 2: been returned to the status quo which escaped on where
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  Speaker 2: he lived. And this process is simply dragging out because
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  Speaker 2: of the accused is asking for further reps to be
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  Speaker 2: made to the DPP. The MPa is also acting very slowly.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very frustrated. That's why I'm now returning to court
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  Speaker 2: to speak to the prosecutor once again. He was allowed
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  Speaker 2: three months to present representation to the DPP's office when
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  Speaker 2: in fact, on the twentieth of May the seventhier and
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  Speaker 2: he was supposed to make his final representation and it
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  Speaker 2: was never done.
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  Speaker 1: This is obviously your child and his child. The child
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  Speaker 1: is living with.
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  Speaker 2: Him also under dubious circumstance. The Family Advocates Office did
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  Speaker 2: not properly execute their function and duty towards me and
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  Speaker 2: the child, and the child should never have ended up
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  Speaker 2: with the father when he was in fact in my
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  Speaker 2: primary care for twelve years. So that is another issue.
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  Speaker 2: We have major problems with how the Office of the
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  Speaker 2: Family Advocate is functioning. We are basically on the verge
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  Speaker 2: of approaching Parliament to see if we can somehow get
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  Speaker 2: assistant in attention. But yeah, the parental animation is a
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  Speaker 2: go to. As soon as a mother tries to protect
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  Speaker 2: the child, these fathers revert to the excuse or the
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  Speaker 2: attack that the mother is trying to alienate a child
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  Speaker 2: from the father, and the history of domestic violence is
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  Speaker 2: not considered. So yeah, but I am continuing to fight
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  Speaker 2: this fight and I won't stop.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you very much for your time. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully you get your child back or some sort of
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  Speaker 1: like visiting rights.
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  Speaker 2: I do have those rights, but even they are being
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  Speaker 2: infringed and not being honored.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you very much for your time. Man, by bye.
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  Speaker 1: What are you doing at the court house today?
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  Speaker 5: Appearing for a case death shoplifting?
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  Speaker 1: I suppose you shoplifted something.
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  Speaker 5: No, that's why you come to courtough right, tell me
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  Speaker 5: this what happened. I went into hart to get a
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  Speaker 5: red Bull and a packet of Mike and Ikes, got
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  Speaker 5: to the till ladies swiped my red bull, the Mike
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  Speaker 5: and Ikes Mike and X turned out to be I
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  Speaker 5: don't know exactly how much they were actually because they
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  Speaker 5: keep saying it sixty six rand ninety nine cents, so
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  Speaker 5: obviously the bigger box. Yeah, I said no, thanks, paid
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  Speaker 5: for my red bull. I was holding a book in
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  Speaker 5: my hand with something else in the store. And then
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  Speaker 5: when I got to the security guard, the chap was like, hey,
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  Speaker 5: you forgot to pay for something. It turned out that
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  Speaker 5: they were Mike and Ikes in my hand.
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  Speaker 1: You obviously realized this is too expensive, and yeah, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: it's there.
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  Speaker 5: I should have mentioned there are two of them, two boxes.
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  Speaker 1: Of my Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So the one is in my hand with my book
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  Speaker 5: and my cell phone and my pack of cigarettes. I
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  Speaker 5: put down the one pack I don't want that, and
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  Speaker 5: then I walk out, but the second pack Phil is
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  Speaker 5: in my hand with my book and my phone and
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  Speaker 5: my cigarettes. The gar it's like, hey, you didn't pay
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  Speaker 5: for something. I look around, Ah, you're right, I didn't.
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  Speaker 5: You know what, Let's go back to the toll and
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  Speaker 5: I'll pay it. At that point it was like, well, no,
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  Speaker 5: you're trying to steal it, blah blah blah, and now
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  Speaker 5: and now I'm here you're kidding me right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, the security guard calls the police. That's exactly what
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  Speaker 1: he did. Yeah, you obviously it was by accident that
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  Speaker 1: you that you keep the other box? Well, yeah, at
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  Speaker 1: your book.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know it was an accident.
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  Speaker 5: They thought it was deliberate and that's that's why we're here.
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  Speaker 1: Now, all just because of a box of mics and ikes.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have a criminal liquid I don't have a
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  Speaker 1: criminal record. Now this feels like a waste of the
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  Speaker 1: courts time.
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  Speaker 5: To be fair, I think if you're asking me, I'm
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  Speaker 5: saying I would say yeah, but I am also on
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  Speaker 5: the other side of the isle.
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  Speaker 1: On one it was a mistake. Sorry, move on.
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  Speaker 5: That's what the arresting officer was saying as well, can
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  Speaker 5: we just pay for this thing?
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  Speaker 1: And they were still not willing to budge. Nope. Do
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  Speaker 1: you think they were just like targeting you? Maybe?
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  Speaker 5: I have no reason to believe so.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 1: Do you regularly go to that shop?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Can this even be jail time?
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  Speaker 5: I'm confident to do to be jail time. They've got
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  Speaker 5: this thing called a divergent program.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's what your lawyer is advocating for. That's correct, sir, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: hopefully it is that and you don't end up in
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  Speaker 1: pose more for mikes and ikes.
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  Speaker 4: I think I might be the mic and ike and
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  Speaker 4: pause a moment.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like, thank you very much for your time.
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  Speaker 6: That's hard.
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  Speaker 4: That's that seems you know what I'd luck to know
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  Speaker 4: what the law is. I mean, I've been to two
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  Speaker 4: shops and they checked the toll slop, Like at a
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  Speaker 4: certain hardware store, You're going to open your bag and
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  Speaker 4: they can't and there's twelve items in the sun you're
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  Speaker 4: slipped here. That's to check that you're not diffing anything
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  Speaker 4: that's not for any warranties, you know, and say I
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  Speaker 4: had something that didn't match the ittem counts, and then
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  Speaker 4: they want to arrest me like this guy. And I'm
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  Speaker 4: assuming because I've seen a supermarkets too where they do this,
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  Speaker 4: but they stop you before you actually leave the store
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  Speaker 4: on that threshold, the door threshold. So if I haven't
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  Speaker 4: technically left the store yet, the assumption is that I
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  Speaker 4: was on my way out, but I technically haven't left
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  Speaker 4: the store. Is it still shoplifting?
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  Speaker 5: Saying what you're arguing, technically no crime has.
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  Speaker 4: Been Yes, I haven't even stepped out into the thing.
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  Speaker 4: I'm still in the shop.
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  Speaker 7: Because every store kind of has a different layout and
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  Speaker 7: the way of handling things as well and security set up.
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  Speaker 7: I've been annoyed when I've paid for something and they
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  Speaker 7: leave the security tag on the item, and then I'm
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  Speaker 7: embarrassed at the door.
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  Speaker 1: And then on my petty days.
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  Speaker 7: I'm like, you know, for pain and suffering, I wish
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  Speaker 7: I could punish the shop.
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  Speaker 4: You're not being efficient because you know, you walk out
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  Speaker 4: and he goes, oh no, and then you go.
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  Speaker 7: Marriage can you please step aside here? And then we
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  Speaker 7: do the rummaging of the bag.
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  Speaker 4: You raise your hands and you put them up by
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  Speaker 4: your sides and.
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  Speaker 5: You it's always the most awkward little dance.
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  Speaker 4: But the importance is that when that long goes off,
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  Speaker 4: the security is watching him. You've got to stop immediately
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  Speaker 4: and turn back if you run. That being said, I
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  Speaker 4: have seen videos where people go change in the change
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  Speaker 4: and the twelve items of clothing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you see them. You've committing to crime now.
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  Speaker 4: But it's it's it's interesting that I don't know, I'm
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  Speaker 4: sure that you're just gonna throw that out pack of
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  Speaker 4: Marc and ice.
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  Speaker 1: Let's hope.
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  Speaker 4: So the principle of theft. Yeah, sure, but.
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  Speaker 7: Do you look at each case for what it is
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  Speaker 7: or now you want to be like I want to
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  Speaker 7: make an example out of the.
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  Speaker 1: Sky, even the arresting officers.
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  Speaker 7: Can't we just settle this year the.
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  Speaker 1: Court's time with nonsense.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe there's a lot of shoplifting in that store as well. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: but it seems very petty. Oh kiddoks, that was what's
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  Speaker 4: happening at the courthouse for me is good job, sir,
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  Speaker 4: thank you very much. It's Stacy Urica. There's got to
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  Speaker 4: be more to life here. On OKFO Mornings, Karen says,
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  Speaker 4: just on that shoplifting thing, I once got a security tag.
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  Speaker 4: She was going in and out of like in a mall,
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  Speaker 4: in and out. Every shop was bleeping. It be big alarm,
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  Speaker 4: alarm along along and then she realized that somehow she's
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  Speaker 4: got a magnetic strip stuck in her hair.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, wait, what are the chances shave man?
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  Speaker 7: Oh the thing is so loud, that's so.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone stares at you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, many asking what are Marke and ikes. Marke and
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  Speaker 4: X are like little jelly beans sweets from America, so delicious.
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  Speaker 4: I imported jelly beans.
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  Speaker 1: That's what kind of expensive?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, we got your messages here on the WhatsApp telephone.
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  Speaker 1: That first case is a bit skitchy. It sounds a
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  Speaker 1: little bit off to me, like, I'm sorry very about
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  Speaker 1: that lady story. Something's something's fishy. That first lady is lying,
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  Speaker 1: she's not telling me.
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  Speaker 8: And the second guy Mike to Night sixty six ninety nine.
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  Speaker 2: Since I felt like I wasn't in good a forth today,
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  Speaker 2: I felt like I was in an international quote.
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  Speaker 1: Yo, the same thing has happened to me.
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  Speaker 8: Not put a newspaper under my arm a couple of
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  Speaker 8: years ago, and standing at the toll and putting everything
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  Speaker 8: else down. You know, your ends up full, and you
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  Speaker 8: put the new s paper under your arm. You and
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  Speaker 8: to keep the newspaper protected. There's a good couple of
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  Speaker 8: years ago, and you pay everything else, and as you
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  Speaker 8: walk away, you realize, Flip.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't pay for the newspaper, so you could so
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  Speaker 6: easily be arrested for attempting to steal a two and
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  Speaker 6: fifty newspaper, when in fact it was just an oversight.
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  Speaker 1: Were some security guards take the jobs to see this?
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  Speaker 5: Now?
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  Speaker 3: What happens when you walk out of a store paid
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  Speaker 3: for your stuff and they forget to put some item
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  Speaker 3: in your carrier bag. Should we not make a case
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  Speaker 3: against them for that too?
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  Speaker 5: What did he have in his hand?
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  Speaker 2: An old box of Mike's Nikes.
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  Speaker 4: Was Michael Jordan's he was carrying around.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, but that thing of like forgetting a newspaper under
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  Speaker 7: the arm, or like the potatoes at the bottom of
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  Speaker 7: the trolley.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many examples of it's suck.
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  Speaker 7: A small thing where you could just walk on the
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  Speaker 7: human without pay.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know what we had a lot of with
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  Speaker 4: our kids when they you're pushing them in the pram
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  Speaker 4: and they reaching out on the shelf and putting some
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  Speaker 4: in it.
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  Speaker 1: Don't see them reaching and getting a thing.
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  Speaker 4: And I tell my kids, you're going to Juli arrest
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  Speaker 4: the kid, not me. I didn't touch it. But I
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  Speaker 4: know what that guy means with the newspaper because I
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  Speaker 4: used to buy a newspaper. You know, you go buy
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  Speaker 4: the bread and mog and you don't want the molk
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  Speaker 4: to wet the newspaper, so you put it on your own.
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  Speaker 4: I know what he's talking about. Yeah, it's petty, but
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  Speaker 4: I would like to know the law on when they
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  Speaker 4: stop you. They stop you inside the store just before
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  Speaker 4: you Technically I haven't shoplifted. Were you ready to litigated?
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  Speaker 1: The lawyer had coming there.
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  Speaker 4: I shall be your public defender. Simmo's on the case.
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  Speaker 4: Who's the dude from suits with no law degree?
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  Speaker 1: Mike? Mike?
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  Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, idea, Michael, that's it. I'm your guy. Let's go.