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Ep. 30 - What Will Happen In The End Times? · Martyr's Row

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  This week on Martyrs Row. Is Los Angeles named
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  after the Virgin Mary? Did Pentecostals choose
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  their doctrine like a buffet? Should we call
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  it the land of Palestine or Israel? 27 reasons
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  why Jesus is coming back in 2027? And all this
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  for just seven installments of 1988. Three, two,
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  one. Cyprian, Saint Cyprian, Bishop of Carthage,
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  a man of noble birth and greater virtue, governed
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  the church with wisdom and boldness in the days
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  of Valerian. For his steadfast confession of
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  Christ, he was banished from the city, yet ceased
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  not to strengthen the brethren with letters full
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  of faith and comfort. At length he was brought
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  again before the proconsul. who asked if he were
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  Thaceus Cyprian and if he persevered in the Christian
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  faith, to which he answered, I am he and a Christian.
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  Then sentence was given that he should die by
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  the sword. When led forth to the place of execution,
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  he put off his garments and kneeling down, commended
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  his spirit unto the Lord. As a token of charity,
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  He gave unto his executioner 25 pieces of gold,
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  showing that he met death without fear or malice,
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  but with peace and liberality. Thus, with calm
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  countenance, he received the stroke, and so fell
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  this faithful shepherd, whose blood watered the
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  church of Africa, and whose death witnessed that
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  the crown is to be found through the cross. Anno
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  Domini, 258. Hey, Paul. Hey, Steven. I'm gonna
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  do something different on this episode. I'm giddy
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  today. Okay, yeah. Los Angeles. Love it. Do you
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  know where that name comes from? I think you
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  said where it is. Paul, do you know where Los
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  Angeles is? So I'm gonna do something different.
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  We're gonna go to Los Angeles. And three, Steven.
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  We just snap into LA. Green screen. There's like
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  palm trees. This is Los Angeles. Welcome to Hollywood.
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  So do you know where that name comes from? I
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  don't. You want to guess? Do you know what it
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  means? Isn't it the City of Angels? So, kind
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  of. Okay. Like that's what people call it. Los
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  Angeles, the City of Angels. Because that's Angeles'
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  angel. Yeah, kind of. Okay. Isn't it because
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  of our good friend, Joseph Smith. No, so this
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  is not, this is like just straight facts. Okay.
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  I just thought it was interesting. Straight facts.
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  Straight facts tonight. I just thought it was
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  interesting. Okay. So Los Angeles was a Spanish
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  colonial settlement. In 1781, you're like, well,
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  this is really boring now. It's just straight
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  facts. It's true to fall asleep, too. Los Angeles.
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  These aren't just regular facts. These are straight
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  facts. Los Angeles was founded on September 4th,
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  1781 as... Are you better at reading Spanish
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  than I am? We're going to find out. Do you want
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  to read it? Wait, I want you to read it. No,
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  you read it. What the? El pueblo de nuestra?
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  Signora de los Angeles de You got it por si encula
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  yeah, it's okay. Is that right? I don't know.
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  I don't either I guessed but that means so I'm
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  learning Italian right now. Oh, well, that's
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  why I hit it and it adjusts the Like the way
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  sees work with vowels is opposite. Okay, and
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  so it always throws me off. So here's the thing.
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  Yeah that Like, this is Spanish, but... Wait,
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  my Spanish? But that name, though, is Italian.
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  Oh, is it? Yeah. But I think it's in Spanish.
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  That would make sense. Because then I would pronounce
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  it differently. That would be the English, but
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  in Spanish. Okay. So it actually means the town
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  of Our Lady of the Angels of Portianculla. That's
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  how I'm going to pronounce it. That's good. It's
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  named after a shrine in Italy. So there's a,
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  there's a, uh, a famous chapel, St. Francis of
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  Assisi in Italy. Yeah. That is, uh, that's in,
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  uh, Bologna, isn't it? Well, it's, it's in Portia.
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  Well, I saw it when I was in Bologna, I saw a
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  statue for St. Francis. Oh, well this is, and
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  he always makes me laugh. Why? Cause he's from
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  Assisi. St. Francis Assisi. Poor Francis. He's
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  like a bird guy. I know. But like in American
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  like 90s culture, like if a kid was named Francis,
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  he'd be like kind of a sissy. Yeah. That's kind
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  of a bummer. It's just how we grew up. It's not
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  our fault. We didn't do this. But so yeah, so
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  in 1781, so it's kind of an interesting like
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  basically the Spanish people came up. from the
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  south and then they established it there and
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  then they named it that because it reminded them
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  and they wanted to like name it after that church
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  in Italy. Oh interesting. So it was in honor
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  of that. That's cool. But that church is like
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  the town of our Lady of the Angels and that's
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  the concept. Can we shorten that? Yeah, that's
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  hard for me to even say right now. So that's
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  the thing. So Los Angeles actually comes from
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  the Catholic honoring of Mary and in the way
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  of calling her the mother of angels. That's interesting.
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  Yeah. I don't know where that comes from. So
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  like Los Angeles is not necessarily just like
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  city of angels. It's city of the mother of angels.
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  That's fascinating. That's the actual Spanish
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  that it's named after. Yeah. So it's the mother
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  of angels, not just angels. That's interesting,
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  because I know there was a movement, obviously,
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  in Italy that was, I can't remember what the
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  guy's name was right now, but he basically was
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  the one who kind of venerated Mary. OK. And was
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  like, hey, we should raise her up to a higher
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  level than we, because we didn't really think
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  about it before. Sure, yeah. And they're like,
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  hey, let's bump up her stats. Yeah. Yeah, and
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  then it just kind of kept growing right from
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  there. Yeah, and that makes sense. So now she's
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  the mother of angels Yeah, not just the mother
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  of Jesus. I wonder if that came around the time
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  of like the assumption Well that idea came about
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  maybe yeah Are you does that referring to like
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  the the idea that like we will judge angels?
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  No, okay, cuz that's where my okay. That's right.
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  No, the assumption has to do with Mary Well,
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  you know how it's when you assumption That was
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  rough. That was rough. It was almost hard to
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  hear. It was almost great. I was gonna go with
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  assume, but then that's a stretch. Yeah, the
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  assumption. The assumption. You know what happens
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  when you assumption. Hey, listen here, you know
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  assumptions. You make an out of umpsh. All right,
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  so moving on. Which is funny because all I'm
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  thinking of is angels in the outfield right now.
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  I know, that's the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. But
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  that's, wait, where is that? Anaheim. Mm -hmm.
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  Yeah. So anyways. Yeah. So I just thought that
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  was interesting. But that made me think about
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  this. I was wondering how many cities in the
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  world are named after saints? Oh, that's interesting.
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  Yeah, because, you know, Martyrs Row. Yeah. That's
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  what we do here. Yeah, so I was thinking about
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  that. And the reason why I thought about that
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  is because I heard somebody go, Los Angeles,
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  it's city of fallen angels. Oh. And I was like,
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  that's reading into it a little bit. I feel like
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  that's someone who doesn't like LA. Yeah, yeah.
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  Well, it was actually like a person in the back
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  end of the industry who like saw satanic rituals
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  and all this stuff. So like, you know. That's
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  just like throwing Just throwing a little bit
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  of stuff out there, but and I heard that I was
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  like mmm And I would looked it up just cuz I
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  was like I wonder if there's any association
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  with that It's like well, it's to the mother
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  of the angels But Catholic tradition so like
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  maybe there's some paganism mixed in there. I
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  if you really want to take Yeah, take it down
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  a hole. I guess you could make that connection,
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  but. And like figuring out people's original
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  intent and all that stuff. Yeah. So maybe it
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  has become the City of Fallen Angels, worshiping
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  Mary, but it's like, you know, it's like that's,
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  but that's the whole thing. It's like where something
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  was meant to be good or pure, there's corruption
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  that comes or deception that comes. But then,
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  yeah, so that got me thinking about like how
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  many cities in the world are named after Saints.
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  Here's the other weird thing. This is the rabbit
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  trail this took me down. No one knows how many
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  cities there are. Really? Yeah. It's like you
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  go, all right, how many cities are there? Like
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  search engine, multiple different search engines,
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  sites looking it up. More than 12. Well, what
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  it does is it's like, well, it depends on what
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  you mean by city. It's like, okay, I don't need
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  to make an argument with you, search engine.
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  When is there like a definition of what a city
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  is? Okay, so that's the problem. So like, a city
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  is a large, densely populated human settlement
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  with a defined legal status providing administrative
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  and governmental services to its residents. That's
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  pretty broad. Yeah, every three words is the
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  most broad thing you can say. So that's why it's
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  like, well, no one really knows. Okay. So then
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  I was like, all right, well, how would I define
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  the parameters of a city? What would be the parameters?
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  So then I go based on population. So if you ask,
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  all right, how many cities are 50 ,000 population
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  or more? Cause like the city that we live in
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  is like, I wanna say it's like 130 ,000. Okay.
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  Which that feels like a huge number. But I feel
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  like we're like a small city. Yeah. Yeah, is
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  what I would say. Yeah, I mean, we're, yeah,
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  we're, we're arguably rural in certain ways.
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  Yeah. So that's the thing. Like the cities next
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  to us are several hundred thousand. Right. But
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  when you, when you think about that, it's like,
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  all right, fifty thousand and up. Well, the number
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  there is like between two and three thousand.
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  Hmm. So in the whole world, there's only. between
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  2 ,000 and 3 ,000. That seems so small. Cities
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  of, I know. But then you break it down, because
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  then I went down to like, all right, well, what
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  about 10 ,000? Because I've driven, like this
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  summer, I drove through parts of Arkansas. And
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  they would be like, I drive into a city limit.
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  and there would be a sign that would say population
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  117. And I was just like, did they change that
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  sign every six months or something? What is 117?
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  That's so random. You can know all of those people.
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  Well, that's so specific. Who made that sign?
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  Yeah, that's true. because they probably just
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  like they have one sign maker in town who's probably
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  actually like two towns over and then he's like
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  i'm so backed up yeah it'll even out eventually
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  yeah he's like uh i'll get the next one like
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  hey man there's like hey john there's 118 now
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  yeah let me know when there's like five more
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  Like help me out when there's like five more
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  people. Can we do an increments? Yeah. But he
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  stopped at 117. Yeah, it was so random. So, but
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  that was like one of like three city limit signs
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  that I came across driving through like a one
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  hour section of Arkansas. Wow. So it's like,
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  I just went, I was like, all right, well, I'm
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  not going to go down to that number because who
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  knows. But I went down to 10 ,000 and you go
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  down to 10 ,000 and it's like, there's like 180
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  to 200 ,000. Wow. cities that are population
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  10 ,000 or more. So it's a huge discrepancy between
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  around 10 ,000 to around 50 ,000 people. Yeah,
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  massive. That's huge. Yeah, you go from two to
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  3 ,000 to almost 200 ,000. You're like 100x that.
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  Yes. So that is, because then you go down to
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  like, all right, and that goes back to the argument
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  that I've brought up of like, how do we even
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  know how many people are on the earth? It is
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  great how it's like, we don't know how many cities
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  there are, but there are this many people on
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  the earth. I didn't look up what this was, but
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  I found this, as I was looking all this up, the
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  world urban population is currently around 4
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  .6 billion people, 2025 estimate. So the world
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  urban population, I guess that means people living
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  in cities. So not people living just out and
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  about. Right, but that's 4 .6 billion. But apparently
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  there's eight billion people in the world in
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  the world. Yeah So that's like a little bit more
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  than half like we just assume there's at least
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  half. We don't know about yeah, so it's all just
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  like assumption at that point Wow, so what what
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  basically what the Estimated stat was is that
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  roughly 10 %? of all cities on in the world are
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  named after a saint Interesting, which is kind
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  of cool. That is pretty cool and you go into
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  like I think it's something like four or five
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  countries are named after Saints, but they're
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  like, it's like San Paolo, like really small
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  countries. It's like, different ones, particularly
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  Spanish ones and Italian. That makes sense, because
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  they're more likely to honor the Saints that
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  way. Yeah, I just thought that was kind of an
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  interesting. That's kind of cool, I like that.
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  Yeah, but then Hollywood. Yeah. Do you know what
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  Hollywood is? I'm going to define that question.
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  Paul, do you know what Hollywood is? Do you know?
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  Can you add some parameters to that? So this
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  is one of those things where I love fun conspiracies
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  as much as the next guy. But it is funny to go
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  in and be like, OK, Los Angeles. City of the
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  Mother of Angels. That's interesting because
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  they left out mother in Los Angeles. Yeah, wasn't
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  the town of the Mother of Angels? Oh, maybe I
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  think it was No, no, that's referring to where
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  they got the name from. Oh, that's in Italy.
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  Oh, I see. Oh, yeah Yeah, so the yeah, so then
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  Hollywood you're like, all right. Well, and then
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  the same the same guy was like Well, you know
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  Hollywood. That's the type of wood wood from
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  holly trees It's the type of wood that witches
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  use to make their brooms and I'm like, okay Okay,
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  bro Like maybe I mean like I love it's like it
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  very well could be true Yeah, but at the same
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  time like how am I gonna how am I gonna check
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  now? What what is true is if you look up? what
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  wood are most brooms made out of? It is Hollywood.
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  Oh, really? Yes. So he's just like, makes sense.
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  Yeah, brooms made out of Hollywood? Every broom
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  is made by a witch. Ooh, witches make their brooms
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  out of Hollywood. Which actually is kind of a
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  funny thought, because it's like, yeah, every
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  broom ever made was made by a witch. That's kind
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  of my point. Make sure your broom is aluminum.
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  Otherwise, a witch may have took it for a test
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  drive. Here on Martyrs Row, we sell aluminum
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  brooms. They're witch free. Guaranteed witch
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  free. Plus by a pope. Our aluminum brooms plus
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  by a pope. And we name all of them after martyrs
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  and saints. Individually. I was about to go to
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  a weird place. That's really funny though. Yeah,
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  so so merch drop. Yeah. Yeah, so Hollywood like
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  that is that's kind of the concept and like Hollywood
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  is like use It's like a really pure white wood
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  that is used for like trim and stuff like that
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  So it's like yeah, it's like really smooth, but
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  Hollywood actually this is kind of funny. It's
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  Like the name itself. Mm -hmm. It's named after
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  a suggestion that deada Deida Wilcox, the wife
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  of Harvey Wilcox, the landowner who picked the
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  name Hollywood, after hearing it from a fellow
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  traveler and finding it sounded nice and felt
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  lucky, filling the subdivision map in 1887. Wow.
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  He's like, that's cool. Yeah. But it is interesting
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  that he, in 1887, while on a train trip to Ohio.
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  Nice. It always comes back, baby. His wife. Dayada,
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  I don't know. Wilcox met a wealthy traveler who
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  owned an estate in Illinois called Hollywood.
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  So it's interesting that she met a wealthy traveler.
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  There are a few Hollywoods in the world besides
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  just the one. This one in Florida. Yeah. Stay
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  away from Hollywood, Florida. But isn't there
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  a Christmas Florida? I think there is. Which
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  is kind of cool. No, 100 % there is. Fact check
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  it. Fact check it, please. I know there's one
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  in the world somewhere. On your broomstick, made
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  out of Hollywood. You know what I'm curious about
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  is how come so many places, at least in the US,
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  all like street names in different areas all
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  have the same name? You mean shared names? Yeah.
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  Well, I mean, there's only so many names. But
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  it's like, I feel like they're all built around
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  the same things. Oh, right. Yeah, I don't know.
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  I'm sure that there's commissions that are like,
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  well... Did we establish where our Martin Luther
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  King Drive was? Yeah, that's true. Because they
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  probably have a list of names. Do you pay royalties
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  for calling it Main Street? You might. How far
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  can Main Street go? Well, at this point, let's
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  call it East, and at that point, let's call it
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  West. We can't afford to pay for that much, Main
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  Street. Can we do North Main Street? No, just
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  East and West. No, no, no, no. Have you ever
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  heard of a North Main Street? Are you crazy?
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  Only East and West. Yeah. We can't start going
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  vertical in this. Are you crazy? Even like some
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  city names are the same. Yeah amongst different
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  states. I'm like that's fascinating me. Yeah,
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  it's weird. Yeah It's weird. So yeah, so but
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  I do find it interesting that Hollywood was a
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  name that the landowner in that area While on
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  a train trip met a wealthy traveler. Yeah, who
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  also had their estate named Hollywood this travelers
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  knows Was it crooked and filled with warts? Did
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  he have a broom? I don't think it was specified
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  that, well, he was a landowner in 1887, so he
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  had to be a man. Yeah. Unfortunately. Unfortunately.
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  That's history, folks. Yeah. Just the same way
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  that all witches make brooms. Right. Yeah. But
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  here on Martyrs' Row, you can get your aluminum
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  broom blessed by a priest named after a martyr.
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  Three, two, one. It's the end of the age you
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  In the darkness night, deep in time And when
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  he had said these things, as they were looking
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  on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out
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  of their sight. And while they were gazing into
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  heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them
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  in white robes, and said, Men of Galilee, why
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  do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus,
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  who was taken up from you into heaven, will come
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  in the same way as you saw him go into heaven."
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  Acts 1, 9 -12. Then I looked and behold a white
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  cloud and seated on the cloud one like a son
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  of man with a golden crown on his head and a
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  sharp sickle in his hand and Another angel came
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  out of the temple calling with a loud voice to
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  him who sat on the cloud Put in your sickle and
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  reap for the hour to reap has come For the harvest
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  of the earth is fully ripe so he who sat on the
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  cloud swung his sickle across the earth and the
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  earth was reaped." Revelation 14, 14 -16. And
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  in those days a change shall take place for the
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  holy and elect, and the light of days shall abide
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  upon them, and glory and honor shall turn to
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  the holy on the day of affliction on which evil
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  shall have been treasured up against the sinners,
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  and the righteous shall be victorious in the
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  name of the Lord of Spirits. And He will cause
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  the others to witness this, that they may repent
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  and forgo the works of their hands. They shall
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  have no honor through the name of the Lord of
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  Spirits. Yet through His name shall they be saved,
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  and the Lord of Spirits will have compassion
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  on them. For His compassion is great, and He
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  is righteous also in His judgment. And in the
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  presence of His glory, unrighteousness also shall
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  not maintain itself. At his judgment, the unrepentant
• 24:50
  shall perish before him. And from henceforth,
• 24:54
  I will have no mercy on them, saith the Lord
• 24:56
  of Spirits." Enoch 50. I love how I knew, like
• 25:02
  as soon as you started that last one, I was like,
• 25:04
  I know this is from Enoch. Just the way it's
• 25:07
  written, and the phrases he uses, like, I know
• 25:09
  what he's reading from. I know, as soon as I
• 25:11
  say the Lord of Spirits, I'm like... Paul caught
• 25:14
  it. So Paul, I have a question for you. Yeah,
• 25:16
  please. What will happen in the end times? Well,
• 25:26
  you came to the right person. Good. It's going
• 25:30
  to happen one month from now. Is it already 1988?
• 25:35
  It sure is. We just have the calendar. Back to
• 25:39
  the future. Oh boy. Oh boy Yeah, what a dangerous
• 25:47
  thing to say I know back to the future or oh
• 25:50
  boy. No that you know what's gonna happen Or
• 25:54
  when it's gonna happen. Oh, yes. Well, don't
• 25:56
  just change the year every time. Yeah, okay So
• 25:59
  it wasn't idiot reasons the Lord comes back in
• 26:02
  1988 89 reasons the Lord comes back in 1899 on
• 26:05
  the plus side. I only need 27 reasons now Actually
• 26:10
  reset. I need less reading. Oh, yeah, you're
• 26:12
  right Wow, so it kind of ways, but they're already
• 26:14
  written Cuz he didn't go to a hundred. Oh, that's
• 26:17
  true. Yeah, so I'm just gonna steal the first
• 26:18
  just use his first 27 Or his last 27, which everyone's
• 26:22
  make the most sense. Yeah, probably the ones
• 26:25
  in the middle like I like that one Definitely
• 26:27
  the first 27 by the time you get to 50. It's
• 26:30
  like he's like, oh gosh He's like, come on. Can
• 26:33
  I rephrase the first 50? You think he got halfway
• 26:37
  through he's like I'm kind of drawing a blank
• 26:39
  here. No, I think you furiously wrote that. And
• 26:43
  another reason. Oh, I do love it though. It's
• 26:48
  pretty great. Yeah, I feel like I'd start to
• 26:50
  run out of steam. I'd be like, oh, man. Of course.
• 26:53
  Yeah. That's funny. You know what's funny is,
• 27:00
  so I feel like with eschatology. OK. N times
• 27:03
  theology. Yes. It's the thing that I've actually
• 27:06
  spent some of the least amount of time on and
• 27:10
  the reason for that is because like I don't know
• 27:13
  Sure, but there are a lot of people that spend
• 27:16
  a lot of time on it and hold very strongly to
• 27:18
  it and so the way I want to approach your question,
• 27:23
  okay is Not by saying this is gonna happen, but
• 27:27
  it's like what do some people say is gonna happen?
• 27:32
  And how does it correlate to scripture? Yeah.
• 27:36
  You know, the rest of it. Right. Because I think
• 27:39
  it's funny how a lot of times we look at Revelation
• 27:41
  and be like, this, and then like the other stuff
• 27:45
  for another time. No, yeah, exactly. And it's
• 27:47
  like, wait a second. This all relates to all
• 27:49
  of this. Yes. Especially with Revelations, like
• 27:53
  it quotes the Old Testament. more often than
• 27:56
  not, with just about everything it says. The
• 27:59
  language, the way it uses its phrases and builds
• 28:03
  its ideas. Yeah, well we've talked about it before
• 28:05
  that when you look at the Old Testament and the
• 28:08
  New Testament together, that they have to be
• 28:10
  bound together, that you can't pull them apart
• 28:13
  because really the truth is that the New Testament
• 28:17
  is the answer to the Old Testament. It's like
• 28:20
  the Old Testament presents this question after
• 28:23
  presenting hey, why are we here? What are we
• 28:28
  doing? What is this? What's going on? And then
• 28:31
  it goes, all right, but there's a solution to
• 28:33
  come. And the New Testament is the solution to
• 28:37
  come. Which I think that's what's interesting,
• 28:39
  because even with that, it's not like the answer
• 28:42
  wasn't embedded into the Old Testament, because
• 28:44
  it was. But it's just like the New Testament
• 28:47
  was like the legend, or like the answer key.
• 28:48
  For sure. Of like, hey, so all those things were
• 28:51
  going to happen like, yeah, so it's this person,
• 28:53
  he did this thing, and there you go. Yeah, I
• 28:56
  mean, even just to comment on the fact that I
• 28:59
  read Enoch 50, chapter 50, from the book of the
• 29:03
  parables. Don't just leave that out. Well, it's
• 29:05
  just the idea that like, it sounds like scripture,
• 29:10
  but let's just go off the assumption that it
• 29:14
  is not God -inspired at all, that it's not, like
• 29:18
  no part of it is, that like, whatever. It's second
• 29:20
  temple literature. It's pre first century. Yeah.
• 29:25
  So what we do know is that there was at least
• 29:29
  like, let's say somebody, let's say it's fully
• 29:32
  apocryphal that it was fully made up. Well, it
• 29:34
  was made up from references of what? Like, yeah,
• 29:38
  it's reference is clearly adding or or taking
• 29:43
  the next step from the law and the prophets.
• 29:46
  Yes. So it's like, well, there was enough there,
• 29:48
  at least for somebody to create Enoch. if it
• 29:51
  were created and none of it was inspired. Right?
• 29:53
  I feel like that's an easy thing to say. And
• 29:56
  I think what's important to say with that too,
• 29:59
  and this was something that I realized a few
• 30:02
  years ago, was that the law existed before it
• 30:06
  was written down. Yes. And I mean, that might
• 30:09
  seem stupid, but I think a lot of times when
• 30:12
  we read Exodus, we're like, oh, the Ten Commandments,
• 30:14
  cool, before this, they were godless. And it's
• 30:16
  like, no, no, no, those laws existed. They just
• 30:19
  weren't written down, because God's like, yeah,
• 30:21
  you know these. Then they started to get distorted
• 30:23
  and twisted. He's like, okay, let's write it
• 30:25
  down. Yeah, that's true. I mean, that's, yeah,
• 30:30
  you see that kind of all the way through, especially
• 30:32
  when it gets to a particular, like when Genesis
• 30:37
  1. Like, let's put the stars in the sky as a
• 30:40
  sign to the people for creation. And I'd love
• 30:43
  to do an episode going through and looking at
• 30:45
  the mapping of the stars and the 12 constellations.
• 30:48
  I would love to do an episode like that. Yeah,
• 30:49
  because it's like, okay, there's a potential
• 30:52
  that there's something that we're so disconnected
• 30:54
  from that in reality... That's another episode
• 30:59
  too. That's true. Those are two episodes right
• 31:04
  there. That creation itself, like the story,
• 31:08
  the law, and the prophetic what was to come is
• 31:13
  actually written in the stars. Actually, so to
• 31:16
  take a slight tangent along that line, just to
• 31:19
  like dip into a little bit, because I think it's
• 31:21
  fun, is there actually is, when we look at when
• 31:27
  Christ was born, and what was happening astronomically,
• 31:31
  what was happening in the cosmos. There actually
• 31:33
  is a really cool lineup with that. That people
• 31:36
  that are way smarter than me can take patterns
• 31:39
  in how things rotate in orbit. This is not as
• 31:42
  much of a tangent as you think. Probably not.
• 31:45
  Okay. So there actually was a period, I think
• 31:48
  it was like, it happened for 20 minutes where
• 31:50
  these things were perfectly aligned. Where you
• 31:52
  have the constellation of Virgo the Virgin okay
• 31:56
  and below it was The serpent or scorpion yes,
• 32:01
  which at that time was called the serpent right
• 32:03
  and the Virgin was over top of the serpent constellation
• 32:07
  crushing its head exactly yeah, but also at the
• 32:10
  same time there was I believe it was Jupiter
• 32:14
  and Regulus the star okay there were also in
• 32:18
  sync with each other above I think was above
• 32:21
  the Virgo constellation symbolizing new kingship
• 32:26
  and it's like it's kind of awesome yeah that
• 32:29
  it's like okay not only was Christ born but like
• 32:32
  the story that was told back in Genesis yeah
• 32:35
  and throughout the Old Testament this the stars
• 32:39
  actually told that same story yes that this king
• 32:42
  will come from a virgin and crush the head of
• 32:44
  the serpent. It's like, that's amazing. It's
• 32:46
  written in the stars. It's in the stars. Well,
• 32:48
  and again, like the, like that's one of those
• 32:51
  things where it's, we talked about this a little
• 32:55
  bit before, particularly in the myth series that
• 32:57
  all of these creation stories. And the reason
• 33:00
  why it's like, I'm kind of stumbling in that
• 33:02
  is because I feel like now the conversations
• 33:04
  we're having like 2025 now is like, It's really
• 33:08
  like, all right, you understand the new age,
• 33:10
  the astrology, all of the the the stars and the
• 33:14
  signs and letting those read into your life.
• 33:17
  Yeah. But the reality is, is like the creator
• 33:22
  God actually put those there telling us something.
• 33:24
  Yeah. Which means that the reason why it's so
• 33:28
  attractive is because there's a lot of truth
• 33:30
  in the origin of it. Yeah. So like the stars
• 33:34
  and the story that they tell about humanity is
• 33:38
  actually written there by Yahweh. And potentially
• 33:43
  the council, which that's another episode. And
• 33:47
  I'd love to go into this on another episode.
• 33:49
  But there is even a connection that scripture
• 33:51
  draws between these fallen gods and the stars.
• 33:55
  And it's like, oh, that's actually pretty incredible.
• 33:58
  That's a little tease. A little teaser. But the
• 34:01
  one thing I do want to say is along those lines,
• 34:04
  because you brought up Enoch, and it's like,
• 34:06
  Let's just assume it was completely made up.
• 34:08
  There's just some guy who's just like, man, they
• 34:10
  wrote this down. But it's like all this information
• 34:13
  we're talking about as far as the signs in the
• 34:15
  heavens, the law, what God wants and what he
• 34:19
  requires and what's happening in the world. It's
• 34:21
  like, yeah, he knows those things. He's aware
• 34:23
  of those things. So let's just say he's a really
• 34:25
  good guesser. In the same way it's like, oh,
• 34:28
  the Simpsons are really good at guessing the
• 34:29
  future. Dude, that's a weird thing. It's weird.
• 34:32
  But you know what I mean? It's like, it doesn't
• 34:34
  have to be, like legitimate as far as like God
• 34:37
  -inspired. But it's like, okay, but a lot of
• 34:40
  these things he's saying actually do line up
• 34:41
  with scripture in the book of Enoch. If he was
• 34:44
  a really good guesser, he's a really good guesser.
• 34:47
  I feel like, to be completely honest, if for
• 34:50
  some reason you're a person that does like conspiracy
• 34:52
  theory podcasts, I've never heard anyone say
• 34:56
  like, hey, by the way, the Simpsons is getting
• 34:59
  their information from an evil spirit. Because
• 35:03
  like the true Harvard. Well, I mean, that's all
• 35:08
  the writers. They all come from Harvard. But
• 35:12
  it is one of those things where it's like, how
• 35:13
  come no one has gone through that and been like,
• 35:16
  all right, now this is the full end of our tangent?
• 35:18
  Because I feel like I've never heard anybody
• 35:20
  say that. The Simpsons is getting information
• 35:24
  because it's constant. Well, there's even equations
• 35:27
  that they'll put up as a joke on a whiteboard.
• 35:31
  20 years later, they're like, oh, that actually
• 35:34
  is the equation we just discovered for some new
• 35:37
  theory. It's like, what? Yeah, it's almost like
• 35:43
  the knowledge of the Watchers is now coming through
• 35:45
  the Simpsons. That's gotta be a t -shirt. That's
• 35:51
  great. The Simpsons Watcher technology? But have
• 35:57
  you seen like there's apparently they found like
• 35:59
  I think it is in Egypt I don't remember where
• 36:02
  it was but is like a hieroglyph image that basically
• 36:06
  looks like March Oh, yeah crazy But but so that
• 36:12
  gets to the whole thing of like the end times
• 36:14
  and revelation and and one of the things that's
• 36:17
  super interesting about all of that is like as
• 36:20
  you get into to those conversations, there's
• 36:22
  a lot of discussion, particularly in Revelation
• 36:25
  14 area. You get the idea of the sun and the
• 36:30
  moon blacking out, or going dark, that there
• 36:35
  are these instances in the stars that when these
• 36:40
  big moments are about to happen, or they're signs
• 36:42
  of... an end time moment happening, that the
• 36:46
  sky goes dark, that everything blacks out. And
• 36:49
  we know for sure that that happened, that's the
• 36:51
  account that we have at The Cross. That it was
• 36:56
  like around three o 'clock, the sky went black.
• 37:00
  Well, that's to be argued. But there is potential
• 37:06
  to look back on that. Some people have done that
• 37:09
  study to try and find if there actually was like...
• 37:12
  an alignment at that point. But you also have
• 37:16
  the conversation around Jerusalem is on the 33rd
• 37:21
  parallel. You have all of these things that they
• 37:24
  all line up to be able to point to a specific.
• 37:28
  A specific instance like everything just is in
• 37:31
  the right place. Yes, and that's the crazy thing
• 37:34
  So like you look around you're like everything
• 37:35
  is in the right place so when the Bible talks
• 37:38
  about like rumors of wars and the end will come
• 37:42
  and The earth is groaning as as if it's in labor.
• 37:48
  It's like it's it's birthing new life and that's
• 37:51
  one of the things that like I think we forget
• 37:52
  about too is like when it's like there's there's
• 37:54
  birthing pains that are happening. Well, what
• 37:57
  is the earth doing? It's making way or creating
• 38:01
  new life. So like the old passes and the new
• 38:05
  will come. Yeah. So that's kind of the end times
• 38:08
  is like the end times is not the end of all things.
• 38:11
  Right. It's the beginning of the next thing.
• 38:14
  Yes. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Which is also called
• 38:18
  an age. Oh, right. The age. Because when you're
• 38:25
  talking about that, I also think about the end,
• 38:28
  when Jesus, I think it's Matthew 24, talks about,
• 38:32
  he basically at one point says, let me just pull
• 38:35
  that up. Yeah, please. And I hope I'm not derailing
• 38:37
  your answer. Probably not. I mean, yeah, because
• 38:43
  I think it'll all end up lining up. Yeah. Because
• 38:46
  I think for me, the way that I'm, like I was
• 38:48
  saying, the way I want to approach this is not
• 38:50
  necessarily this is... what's gonna happen, this
• 38:52
  is what's not gonna happen. But it's just, well
• 38:55
  maybe that last part's not totally true. But
• 38:58
  it's like, okay, what are people that study this,
• 39:01
  what are they saying, and how does it relate
• 39:04
  to what we know of God? And what he's already
• 39:07
  said? That we can verify. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So
• 39:11
  Matthew 24, you have this whole thing, signs
• 39:15
  of the end of the age. Jesus foretells the destruction
• 39:18
  of the temple, the abomination of desolation.
• 39:21
  This is all Jesus talking. For those of you with
• 39:24
  red -letter Bibles, this whole thing's lit up
• 39:26
  with red. The coming of the Son of Man, that
• 39:29
  feels like the most 90s -like crusade thing to
• 39:32
  say. Just a red page. But I think sometimes even
• 39:36
  this is potentially taken out of context. But
• 39:39
  all the way down, Matthew 24, And verse 34, it
• 39:44
  says, truly I say to you, Jesus says this, this
• 39:46
  generation will not pass away until all these
• 39:49
  things take place. Heaven and earth will pass
• 39:51
  away, but my words will not pass away. And it's
• 39:55
  like, of course we didn't read everything coming
• 39:57
  before it, but as you read everything coming
• 40:00
  before it, he's saying, hey, like this is, like
• 40:04
  truly I say to you, this generation will not
• 40:06
  pass away until all these things take place.
• 40:08
  And it's like, Well, wait a minute. He just described
• 40:10
  all these things that are then described again
• 40:13
  in the Revelation of John. Yeah. And they're
• 40:15
  also spoken about prophetically in the book of
• 40:19
  Daniel. And then he says it as as God on the
• 40:25
  earth incarnate. He says all of these things
• 40:28
  are going to happen. But then he says this generation
• 40:30
  won't pass away. Right. And you're like, well,
• 40:32
  how do we interpret that? How does that make
• 40:34
  any sense? Yeah. And I do have an answer. But
• 40:37
  I'm I need to I feel like this is a great like
• 40:40
  this is awesome because here's the thing I think
• 40:43
  sometimes even I've said Hey, heaven and earth
• 40:46
  are gonna pass away But the Lord will remain
• 40:49
  and that means that like when the new heavens
• 40:52
  and the new earth are created The Lord the Lord
• 40:55
  will remain through at all. It's like that's
• 40:58
  a real loose interpretation of that. It feels
• 41:00
  nice to say it that way. It's not not true, it's
• 41:03
  just not exactly what he's saying. Like that's
• 41:06
  not what Jesus is really saying there. Well I
• 41:08
  think that's the funny thing is because there's
• 41:10
  a lot of times where there seems like there are
• 41:14
  conflicts in what he says. But it's just because
• 41:17
  we want to interpret it a certain way. And so
• 41:19
  it creates conflict when there really isn't a
• 41:21
  conflict. And it's like, what if we just take
• 41:23
  a minute at what he said? Well, that's the like
• 41:26
  letting scripture interpret scripture. Right.
• 41:28
  Yeah. So like reading, like we could just take
• 41:30
  the rest of this episode and read through Matthew
• 41:32
  24 and comment on it. Which I'm OK with that,
• 41:35
  actually. But so I mean, so even with that, and
• 41:39
  I'll just say this kind of kind of blankly. Well,
• 41:43
  hang on. Let me hold that. OK. Because to wrap
• 41:46
  up our star conversation. To wrap up our star
• 41:49
  conversation, the thing that is true and that's
• 41:54
  interesting is that the ages, not constellation,
• 42:01
  but the epochs or the ages of the universe and
• 42:07
  the movement of how the creation is set up, the
• 42:09
  stars are aligned, how things rotate. We know
• 42:13
  that like, Why are there 24 hours in a day? Well,
• 42:17
  it's because the Earth spends in one cycle in
• 42:19
  24 hours. It's like, why are there 365 days in
• 42:22
  a year? Because that's how long it takes for
• 42:24
  the Earth to go around the sun. And then you
• 42:26
  keep going and keep going and keep going, and
• 42:28
  as you keep going out, the time frames get longer
• 42:31
  and longer. And I don't remember what - Which
• 42:33
  actually, that's even another episode to talk
• 42:35
  about. Solar versus lunar. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 42:38
  Should be fun. There's a lot of little episodes
• 42:40
  in here. Yeah, but we try not to mention Galileo.
• 42:44
  We want to stand by our Catholic friends. Well,
• 42:48
  that's not really Galileo. He's just like, hey,
• 42:50
  so the earth doesn't sit still. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 42:55
  whatever. OK. Go make some more broomsticks,
• 42:59
  Galileo. Go take you and your Hollywood. For
• 43:03
  your witch friends. Galileo's witch brooms. That
• 43:09
  would be a great store, actually. That's actually
• 43:11
  kind of awesome. It's like a new spirit for those
• 43:17
  Halloween stores that pop up. Galileo. Galileo's
• 43:20
  broomsticks. For all your witching needs. They
• 43:24
  actually would look kind of nice on a sun. I
• 43:25
  know, that's what I'm saying. Especially if it
• 43:28
  was silver. Anyways. We're giving out a lot of
• 43:32
  ideas. I know. Martyrs Row, where you get your
• 43:35
  business ideas. Because we won't use them. No,
• 43:39
  we'll get there eventually. Maybe someday. But
• 43:41
  no, so to wrap up the star idea is like, we do
• 43:45
  know that like the ages, like age of Pisces,
• 43:49
  which is, Pisces is the fish, right? Right. So
• 43:51
  the age of Pisces actually starts. Yes. Right
• 43:56
  before Jesus shows up. And it's going to be ending
• 43:59
  soon. It is gonna be ending soon. But the age
• 44:01
  before that is what, Libre? I don't know that.
• 44:05
  I don't remember. Oh, wait. Goat? No. Sorry.
• 44:11
  Oh, what is it? It's... Ram. It's whatever the
• 44:17
  Ram is. Okay. So if you know, then you know.
• 44:21
  We obviously don't read it. Here's why I know
• 44:24
  that, though. What does Abraham sacrifice instead
• 44:27
  of Isaac? Oh yeah. He sacrifices a ram. So at
• 44:32
  that time, that time frame was when the ages
• 44:35
  changed. Isn't that, that's a long time for an
• 44:38
  age. What do you mean? An age is around 2000
• 44:41
  years. Yeah. So from the time of Abraham to Jesus.
• 44:45
  That's 2000. Yeah, it's about, it's roughly 2
• 44:48
  ,000 years. Okay, okay, okay. So they give a
• 44:49
  margin of like several hundred years. Yeah. When
• 44:52
  an age hands off. That makes, cause that's even,
• 44:55
  the scenes talk about that as well, cause they
• 44:56
  have - They do. The ages broken down into 2 ,000
• 44:59
  year periods. Well, and that's why - But they
• 45:01
  apply different names to them. Yeah. Weren't
• 45:03
  we talking about fish in one of these episodes?
• 45:06
  Oh yeah, we were. Okay. Jesus is the fish guy.
• 45:10
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Give me that fish. Actually,
• 45:12
  it's funny how many layers there are to that
• 45:13
  joke now. I know, but that's what I'm saying.
• 45:16
  So like age of Pisces, like Jesus Christ followers
• 45:19
  where their symbol was a fish. Right. But we're
• 45:22
  also in the age of the fish. That's interesting.
• 45:25
  I know. That's what I'm saying. Like all that
• 45:27
  stuff lines up. But that's the thing is like
• 45:29
  the Bible doesn't dismiss that. It says. there
• 45:33
  are signs in the stars for the people. That's
• 45:36
  what Genesis says. I know. That's why God created
• 45:39
  it. Right. So when we look at the end times,
• 45:41
  it's like, well, if we look at the stars, guys,
• 45:44
  yeah, like God actually placed them there as
• 45:46
  a sign to us, which I know we brought it up on
• 45:49
  a previous episode and I can't remember what
• 45:51
  verse it is. But it's funny how the balance with
• 45:54
  that, because what we tend to do as humans is
• 45:56
  like, oh, he gave it to us for sign. So let's
• 45:58
  look to it and it'll tell us everything we need
• 45:59
  to know. Right. And then even in scripture, it's
• 46:02
  like, No, you went too far bud. That's like with
• 46:06
  us where there's a lot of times we can do that
• 46:09
  with prayer or with the discipline of the Christian
• 46:13
  life where it's like we make it into a formula
• 46:15
  and he's like, no, that's not it. Yeah, so then
• 46:21
  go from there to, I'm gonna set you up further.
• 46:23
  Okay. like go from there, we're talking about
• 46:27
  ages, into when we talk about end times and like
• 46:30
  our modern era and the tradition that we're from,
• 46:33
  another word that's been used for that in the
• 46:35
  particular evangelical movement is dispensations.
• 46:39
  So like there's, like dispensationalism is based
• 46:43
  off of there are different dispensations or different
• 46:47
  eras or timeframes where God has dealt with humanity
• 46:51
  differently based off of. what they were given
• 46:55
  by God. So like, in the origin, it would have
• 46:59
  been creation. But that's not really where the
• 47:03
  dispensationalists begin. Yeah, as far as like
• 47:06
  the belief of it? Yeah, like the breakdown of
• 47:09
  the different dispensations. Oh yeah, actually,
• 47:13
  I'm trying to remember if I wrote that down or
• 47:14
  not. Kind of outlining it. You probably have
• 47:18
  it. I do. Okay, good. Yeah, go through it, because
• 47:20
  I don't think I have that. So, do you wanna talk
• 47:23
  about what dispensationalism is? Yeah, so actually,
• 47:27
  short summary of it. The reason why I bring that
• 47:30
  up, well, one, we've been talking about stars
• 47:31
  and ages and all of that stuff and it makes sense,
• 47:34
  like signs of the end times and all of those
• 47:37
  things. And then the tradition that we come from,
• 47:39
  the Christian tradition that we come from, though
• 47:42
  different denominations. Right. part of the same
• 47:45
  evangelical movement and Protestantism in America.
• 47:49
  There's overlaps with all that. Yeah, for sure.
• 47:52
  And so like one of the main things in the last
• 47:54
  200 years is dispensationalism or rapture theology,
• 47:57
  which kind of comes out of that. So like that's
• 48:00
  where we kind of lean to a little bit with. That's
• 48:02
  the joke of like, which that's what I was looking
• 48:05
  up right when we were talking about it, is 88
• 48:08
  Reasons Why the Rapture Will Be in 1988. I couldn't
• 48:11
  remember the guy's name. Is Edgar C. Weisenant?
• 48:16
  I thought it was a different person. So did I.
• 48:19
  I don't think that's him. Well, that is a book
• 48:21
  he wrote. But I think somebody else endorsed
• 48:26
  it. I can't remember the name, but I remember
• 48:30
  it being a different name. I agree with you.
• 48:32
  I think it was a different person. But the interesting
• 48:36
  thing about that is this guy. Oh, I think the
• 48:41
  other one was why Jesus will come back. This
• 48:44
  is 88 reasons why the rapture will be in 1988.
• 48:48
  I'd have to look that up because I think you're
• 48:50
  right. There would be another 88. I think there
• 48:52
  is. But this guy who wrote that, why isn't it?
• 48:56
  is a former NASA engineer predicted the return
• 49:01
  of Jesus Christ and the rapture to occur in September
• 49:04
  of 1988. Weirdly enough, it's September right
• 49:08
  now. Oh, that's true. Do you remember when...
• 49:11
  But it's not 1988. Do you remember when Los Angeles
• 49:14
  was named in the month of September? That's right.
• 49:19
  That's a good time. Da, da, da. What? Huh? Is
• 49:23
  Jesus coming back in Los Angeles? With a Hollywood.
• 49:28
  To the mother of angels? Hey mom. Hey mom. Hey
• 49:32
  mom. She's like, hold on, I'm working out of
• 49:35
  a room. What? Who? City of Mormons? What? What?
• 49:41
  That's a stretch. A little salty. Well, he had
• 49:44
  to come to America at some point. That's true.
• 49:46
  If he came here before you ascended, might as
• 49:48
  well come here first, and then it's like a straight
• 49:50
  line. Well, we're his favorite, so. Yay. If you
• 49:54
  don't know what we're talking about, that's a
• 49:56
  really deep cut. It's not even a joke. I guess
• 50:01
  it's a knock at the occult. I think it's a joke.
• 50:05
  I do too. You just really have to know what we're
• 50:08
  talking about. That's funny. You wanted me to
• 50:13
  read the dispensations. Well, let me say what
• 50:15
  it is first. Go ahead. Brief summary. Go for
• 50:19
  it. Dispensational lists. Yes, because you might
• 50:22
  be wondering, am I a dispensationalist? Am I
• 50:24
  a dispensationalist? Well, let me set this up,
• 50:26
  Paul. Okay. You, dear listener, might be wondering,
• 50:30
  am I a dispensationalist? Do I believe in the
• 50:33
  dispensations? Well... Listen to this definition,
• 50:37
  and you'll find out. I've never heard that word
• 50:39
  in my life. Are you wondering what dispensationalism
• 50:43
  means? Well, we no longer. Here's what dispensationalism
• 50:47
  means. They've already looked it up by now. Go
• 50:49
  for it, Paul. Dispensationalists, those that
• 50:52
  hold dispensationalism, they hold to a pre -tribulation
• 50:57
  rapture followed by Christ's visible second coming.
• 51:01
  and one thousand year reign on earth before the
• 51:04
  final judgment now some people might going what
• 51:07
  is pre -tribulation even mean okay and uh short
• 51:12
  short version that's the trouble you mean tribulation
• 51:17
  tribulation yeah yeah you said pre -tribulation
• 51:19
  yeah that would be before trouble that's before
• 51:21
  the trouble yeah so basically trouble that's
• 51:25
  gonna happen there's gonna be some trouble in
• 51:26
  the streets but they believe that the christians
• 51:29
  will be Yeeted out of there. Upon the clouds.
• 51:33
  Yeeted out. I put that in there for you. Capped.
• 51:40
  No capped, bro. Depending on which side you come
• 51:44
  in. We won't skip to the end yet. Depending on
• 51:47
  which way you lean. Do you believe that's cap
• 51:50
  or no cap? Comment below. Listener, do you know
• 51:53
  what cap means? What we're wearing? Chances are
• 51:58
  if you're a dispensationalist, you don't know
• 51:59
  what cap means. That's a shirt. Wow, that's good.
• 52:09
  What if we made it a hat? Be careful that we're
• 52:13
  still on a podcast. Paul just likes to derail
• 52:16
  into personal conversations. I can't help it.
• 52:23
  You come to hang out. We're live on the air.
• 52:25
  We're live on the air. I need to have a sign
• 52:29
  to remind myself. Don't worry. I'll just tell
• 52:33
  you. Thank you. Yeah, so there's rough, I think
• 52:37
  this is right. There's seven, I'm gonna go into
• 52:40
  seven. Yeah, I believe it's seven dispensations.
• 52:42
  Yeah, which makes sense, because if you're gonna
• 52:44
  have a number, it needs to be like three, seven.
• 52:46
  12. 12, or like. 666. 77, no, not six, no, no.
• 52:54
  No, you'd have to add 111 more. 777. Yeah, so
• 53:03
  the first age is innocence. Time frame is creation,
• 53:07
  fall of man, Genesis 1 -3. Key characteristic
• 53:12
  is humanity is innocent, living in perfect fellowship
• 53:15
  with God and Eden. The second one would be conscience.
• 53:19
  So fall to the flood, Genesis 4 -8. And the key
• 53:24
  characteristic is humanity is guided by conscience
• 53:26
  and moral awareness. I have a hard time with
• 53:29
  that one. Particularly because from the fall
• 53:32
  to the flood, Genesis 4 through 8, there's a
• 53:35
  lot of stuff that happens there that God's grace
• 53:39
  would need to cover. There's a lot in there.
• 53:43
  Widespread wickedness leads to the flood. Kind
• 53:47
  of. I mean, they're not wrong. No, it is widespread
• 53:50
  wickedness. That's true. But is it because of
• 53:53
  human consciousness? Partly. Okay, maybe the
• 53:57
  mother of angels got in the way. Lock her up.
• 54:03
  Three, be human government post -flood to the
• 54:07
  Tower of Babel. Key characteristic, God institutes
• 54:10
  human government. Humanity rebels at Babel, trying
• 54:14
  to make a name for themselves or become God.
• 54:17
  Which is funny because I don't think I agree
• 54:18
  with him on that interpretation. Yeah, that's
• 54:22
  what I mean. Like even with two, it's like kind
• 54:24
  of. You mean on Humanity Rebels at Babel? No,
• 54:32
  I think the establishment of human government,
• 54:33
  because it's like, eh, not really. I would look
• 54:36
  at that more to the patriarchs, or getting into,
• 54:39
  or really into the law. Because that's when,
• 54:42
  I would say, not until Saul is established, you
• 54:44
  really have human government. Right. And that's
• 54:48
  why it's kind of in these first three, it's like,
• 54:50
  the first one makes sense. It's a specific interpretation
• 54:54
  that I don't agree with. Oh, right. Yeah. But
• 54:57
  yeah, like a non -spiritual worldview. Correct.
• 54:59
  To use like... To use our own language. But the
• 55:03
  conscience and then the human government, it's
• 55:06
  just assuming a lot. Yes. Because it doesn't
• 55:10
  show us an establishment of governance. Yeah.
• 55:14
  It only really shows us... that there's humanity
• 55:18
  in lawlessness. That there's chaos again, which
• 55:23
  is why the flood happens. And then there's after
• 55:26
  the flood, the sons of Noah create chaos again
• 55:32
  that leads to the Tower of Babel. So it's like,
• 55:35
  there's not really governance. I guess in one
• 55:39
  individual, but not in the same way that Moses.
• 55:41
  But even then, his alignment isn't really human.
• 55:45
  Which we have an episode about that. That's true.
• 55:49
  And then you get to the fourth one. Behold our
• 55:50
  body of work. The ecosphere, welcome. Welcome
• 55:54
  to the ecosphere. And then the fourth one is
• 55:56
  promise, the patriarchs, where God makes unconditional
• 56:00
  promises or covenants to Abraham, Isaac, and
• 56:03
  Jacob. And Israel ends up enslaved in Egypt,
• 56:06
  but God remains faithful to his promise. And
• 56:09
  then the fifth one is law at Sinai, to the cross
• 56:13
  of Christ. So Exodus 20 to the gospels, the synoptic
• 56:17
  gospels. Israel is given the Mosaic law as a
• 56:20
  covenant with blessings and curses. Israel repeatedly
• 56:24
  breaks the covenant and rejects the Messiah.
• 56:27
  And then you get into the church age, the sixth
• 56:30
  dispensation, grace. Day of Pentecost, so Acts
• 56:34
  2 to present day rapture. or leading up to rapture.
• 56:42
  Key characteristic, salvation is offered to all
• 56:45
  by grace through faith, forming the church, Jews,
• 56:47
  and Gentiles. Failures that Christendom becomes
• 56:51
  largely apostate by the end of the age. Which,
• 56:55
  that's revelation. I mean, it's also Matthew
• 56:59
  24. And then, like the same idea of like, and
• 57:04
  then it's Paul saying, if anyone comes to you
• 57:07
  preaching another Jesus. or preaching another
• 57:09
  gospel, even if angels come to you, even if I
• 57:13
  come to you, which, man, it's all there. Like
• 57:18
  when you start to, I know, it's just like, what
• 57:20
  do you mean if angels come and that must be a
• 57:25
  possibility. Let me not say that must have happened
• 57:28
  or have been happening, but I can say that because
• 57:33
  we know, at least in the Old Testament, it did
• 57:36
  happen. Well, it's happened today. that's true
• 57:39
  there are more than one religions that have been
• 57:42
  established because of an angel oh yeah yeah
• 57:45
  going back to our mormon boys yeah and not even
• 57:48
  just them no that's true there's more than that
• 57:50
  but yeah um yeah like uh jesus appearing to john
• 57:56
  smith joseph well that's still mormons i was
• 58:00
  thinking more like pocahontas Oh. Plymouth Rock.
• 58:05
  You need to get that gold. Get the gold. Get
• 58:08
  the gold. He's like, OK. Got it. The seventh
• 58:17
  dispensation would be kingdom or millennial reign,
• 58:23
  the second coming of Christ to the final judgment,
• 58:25
  Revelation 20. Jesus reigns literally on earth
• 58:28
  for 1 ,000 years, fulfilling promises to Israel.
• 58:32
  At the end, Satan is loosed and many rebel one
• 58:35
  last time. And then the eternal state, after
• 58:39
  the final rebellion is crushed and the great
• 58:42
  white throne judgment occurs, there is a new
• 58:44
  heaven and new earth, Revelation 21, 22, where
• 58:47
  redeemed humanity dwells with God forever. Yeah.
• 58:51
  So it's interesting to me hearing this, it's
• 58:54
  like, how did they establish these dispensations?
• 58:59
  Some of these time frames are wildly different.
• 59:03
  Not that it has to stick within one time, it
• 59:06
  has to be this long period of time. Also one
• 59:10
  of the things I think is important to mention,
• 59:13
  which this is one of the things that we've talked
• 59:14
  about several times, is when do ideas start?
• 59:19
  When do these certain beliefs begin? Yeah, because
• 59:24
  that's a big thing for me. Well, how old is this
• 59:27
  concept? Is dispensationalism? Where does that
• 59:30
  actually come from? Where does the concept of
• 59:32
  the modern day rapture come from? Because there
• 59:35
  are things that we say all the time and we just
• 59:37
  assume they're forever. It's like we've been
• 59:39
  talking about Israel the last couple of episodes
• 59:41
  and you go, well, yeah, it's Israel's land. It's
• 59:45
  always been Israel's land. Well, that's actually
• 59:47
  not true. It's more true that it's been other
• 59:50
  people's land than it has been Israel's. Right.
• 59:52
  Like it was the land of Canaan for thousands
• 59:55
  of years. Yeah. And then Israel gave it up. Yeah.
• 1:00:00
  And then they were exiled. And even when they
• 1:00:03
  were back and forth and back and forth. But then
• 1:00:05
  after that, like after 70 A .D., when Jerusalem
• 1:00:09
  is destroyed and Matthew 24 that. I'll just jump
• 1:00:15
  straight to it. I see you're in it. That's the
• 1:00:19
  Matthew 24, and that's what I, like the passages
• 1:00:21
  I read in Matthew 24, 34, where Jesus says, and
• 1:00:25
  I tell you like this generation won't pass away
• 1:00:27
  before, this will basically see this, like this
• 1:00:32
  generation will see this come to pass. Like they
• 1:00:36
  did in 70 AD. Yeah. Like he wasn't being like.
• 1:00:40
  Unless you want to take it another direction.
• 1:00:41
  they haven't all died yet. Some people believe
• 1:00:44
  that. Oh, for real? Yeah. Well, tell me about
• 1:00:46
  that. I don't know much beyond that because I
• 1:00:49
  was like, that's crazy. Anyway, but but that
• 1:00:52
  like so that's one of the things is like when
• 1:00:54
  you get into things like dispensationalism, you
• 1:00:57
  start to get into things. Well, we need a third
• 1:01:01
  temple. Right. For there to be sacrifices being
• 1:01:05
  made because this prophecy hasn't happened yet.
• 1:01:08
  And Jesus says, well, actually, this generation
• 1:01:10
  won't. Pat will surely see this happen sure and
• 1:01:14
  and heaven and earth will pass away my words
• 1:01:16
  will remain what I say is true They'll see you
• 1:01:20
  will see this generation the one he's speaking
• 1:01:22
  to will see the abomination of desolation And
• 1:01:26
  they literally do see it in 70 ad So it's one
• 1:01:30
  of the things where it's like all right, but
• 1:01:31
  is that also to come? That's where it's like
• 1:01:34
  I'm not sure maybe will it happen again? probably
• 1:01:40
  Well, but it also could have already but we are
• 1:01:43
  we know that it for sure did already happen Yeah,
• 1:01:46
  so you said a lot of things. Let me let me start
• 1:01:49
  with this I think it's important to establish
• 1:01:53
  like as a logic standpoint. Yes. It's like just
• 1:01:56
  because something's old doesn't mean it's right
• 1:01:59
  What do you mean by that? and it's like oh well
• 1:02:01
  this idea is older than this idea so therefore
• 1:02:03
  the older one's right it's like okay well oh
• 1:02:06
  we can't say that so i think it's it's that that's
• 1:02:08
  why it's important it's like well oh jumping
• 1:02:10
  back to like how old is the concept of yeah dispensation
• 1:02:13
  and it's like just because it's a because so
• 1:02:15
  just to get to that sorry i did say a lot of
• 1:02:17
  things i know that's what i'm saying like you
• 1:02:18
  said a lot i'm not gonna remember everything
• 1:02:21
  to comment on it sorry sorry but it's like okay
• 1:02:24
  so like this idea originates in the 1800s with
• 1:02:27
  john darby And it spreads through the Schofield
• 1:02:30
  Reference Bible, which is 1909, but we'll talk
• 1:02:33
  about that. But it's like, okay, so this is a
• 1:02:35
  newer idea. Right, 1800s, yeah. Yeah, 1800s.
• 1:02:40
  It's newer than what a lot of the early church,
• 1:02:43
  what they believed. Now, it doesn't mean the
• 1:02:45
  early church is right and this guy is wrong,
• 1:02:47
  because maybe it's flipped around. We don't know.
• 1:02:49
  It's like people can just be wrong and be old.
• 1:02:56
  You know what I mean? People can just be wrong
• 1:02:58
  and be old. That's the most millennial statement
• 1:03:03
  I've ever heard in my life. It's the beanie does
• 1:03:07
  it to me. Actually, it might be more Gen X. Maybe.
• 1:03:11
  It's like Gen X just like hate boomers. I feel
• 1:03:13
  like Gen X is just like under the radar. No,
• 1:03:16
  but they aggressively hate boomers. Gen Z hates
• 1:03:18
  boomers. No, they just - Gen X is between boomer
• 1:03:22
  and millennial. I know they hate their parents.
• 1:03:26
  They hate millennials more from my experience.
• 1:03:29
  Fair enough. I get a lot of flack. Yeah. But
• 1:03:32
  anyway, like, so... Gen X, chill, man. Hey, it's
• 1:03:36
  all right. Yeah. It's okay. Don't hate your parents
• 1:03:38
  and your kids. Yeah, pick one. I guess you can
• 1:03:42
  like each other. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah. It's
• 1:03:46
  cool, man. That's nice. But so that, all that
• 1:03:50
  to say, it's like, so just be, something isn't
• 1:03:53
  valid because it's old. Right. and something
• 1:03:55
  isn't invalid because it's new so it's like okay
• 1:03:58
  so let's take it by its merit sure now what's
• 1:04:01
  interesting is because a lot of times when we
• 1:04:03
  talk about genesis we're like see it was written
• 1:04:06
  back then it's like what's significant to me
• 1:04:08
  about that is because it's like well we believe
• 1:04:10
  that god is unchanging right and what he says
• 1:04:13
  is what he says. And so for us to say, no, he
• 1:04:17
  said the same thing all the way back then, that
• 1:04:20
  does add validity to his character. So I can
• 1:04:23
  believe what he said later because it's what
• 1:04:25
  he also said back then. Right, and that's different.
• 1:04:28
  Which is very different. I thought it was important
• 1:04:31
  to kind of like say that, especially for what
• 1:04:34
  we're getting into. And we talked about it because
• 1:04:37
  it's part of the ecosphere. Yeah, of course.
• 1:04:40
  Because of things like this. When we talked about
• 1:04:43
  other creation stories, we talked about the idea
• 1:04:46
  that Genesis 1 is commenting on other creation
• 1:04:49
  stories. So in its comment on other creation
• 1:04:53
  stories, it's telling you not that it was the
• 1:04:58
  first thing ever written. It's actually saying,
• 1:05:01
  hey, all these things that are already written
• 1:05:03
  and all these stories that you guys already have.
• 1:05:05
  They got the first story messed up. Yeah, you
• 1:05:07
  guys are actually worshiping the stars. Yeah.
• 1:05:10
  But I'm telling you in Genesis one, we set the
• 1:05:14
  stars in place as a sign to you not to be worshiped.
• 1:05:18
  Correct. But as a sign to the one you should
• 1:05:21
  worship. Yes. Pointing to that, which I think
• 1:05:24
  is really interesting. Which I mean, that goes
• 1:05:26
  back to the idea with. Ten Commandments, where
• 1:05:28
  it's like, it's not that they weren't known before
• 1:05:31
  and they were brand new, because then it's like,
• 1:05:33
  I mean, I've said this on previous episodes,
• 1:05:35
  like the Code of Hammurabi was written before
• 1:05:39
  the Ten Commandments. But, and there's correlations
• 1:05:42
  that we see between the laws, but it's like,
• 1:05:44
  it doesn't mean the Ten Commandments were newer
• 1:05:46
  and copied this. No, it's like what the Bible's
• 1:05:49
  saying is, no, this is the law. And it has been
• 1:05:53
  the law. But you guys twisted it and messed it
• 1:05:55
  up. You know what's funny? You're actually supporting
• 1:05:57
  the second dispensation of conscience. And governance,
• 1:06:05
  the third one. But not totally. Because they
• 1:06:09
  remove a key aspect. That's true. But so all
• 1:06:14
  that to say, it's like, so this is a newer idea.
• 1:06:17
  But it's like, I'm not going to throw it out
• 1:06:19
  because it's new. It's like, no, let's see if
• 1:06:20
  it has any merit. And so for me, it's like, let's
• 1:06:23
  see, you know, does it stand on its own two feet?
• 1:06:26
  Right. Especially because I feel like a lot of
• 1:06:28
  people, even if they don't call themselves like
• 1:06:30
  a dispensationalist, their ideas that we've just
• 1:06:33
  kind of adopted. Sure. Even just in our language,
• 1:06:36
  the way we talk about things. Yeah. Well, yeah,
• 1:06:40
  I feel like this. So like one of the things that
• 1:06:44
  I. wondered with this concept and looking into
• 1:06:47
  dispensationalism, and particularly rapture theology.
• 1:06:50
  Which we'll get into. Okay, which was basically,
• 1:06:54
  so we talk about millennialism, the thousand
• 1:06:58
  year reign, the rapture of the church, pre -millennial,
• 1:07:01
  mid -tribulation, or post -tribulation, like
• 1:07:05
  we haven't quite defined that yet, but one of
• 1:07:08
  the things I think about is like, well, did the
• 1:07:11
  early councils in the third, fourth, fifth century,
• 1:07:17
  did they even talk about this stuff at all? So
• 1:07:20
  we'll talk about that. Okay. Cause that's great.
• 1:07:23
  Because they did and they didn't really. They
• 1:07:26
  didn't get all the way to this point. No. And
• 1:07:30
  there's a few reasons for that. We'll talk about
• 1:07:32
  that. The thing that made me think about that
• 1:07:34
  was when you said just because it's old doesn't
• 1:07:37
  mean it's also true. Right. Made me think of
• 1:07:40
  Augustine. Or Augustine. Which his name comes
• 1:07:42
  up. Yeah, because he would have kind of set the
• 1:07:48
  standard for a lot of theological things that
• 1:07:51
  I think most dispensationalists wouldn't agree
• 1:07:53
  with. Well, they wouldn't agree with what the
• 1:07:56
  early church believed. Right. And that's the
• 1:07:59
  thing. But before we get to that, because I think
• 1:08:01
  what's also important is that wherever you place
• 1:08:07
  the rapture, dispensationalism doesn't hinge
• 1:08:10
  on the idea of the rapture. Sure. But it is an
• 1:08:14
  important thing that takes place inside of it,
• 1:08:16
  as far as like, they believe it happens here
• 1:08:19
  because of these other things. And so it's like,
• 1:08:22
  okay, well, what are these other things for us?
• 1:08:24
  And then we'll talk about that, because I think
• 1:08:26
  that's a really interesting topic. Yeah, and
• 1:08:28
  in Martyrs Row fashion, we may need to set up
• 1:08:31
  a follow -up episode. Most likely. Yeah, most
• 1:08:34
  likely. We may just need to do a whole Rapture
• 1:08:36
  episode. Actually, how long have we been going
• 1:08:37
  now? I don't even know. We'll see. We'll find
• 1:08:39
  out when we're done. We might need to get into
• 1:08:42
  Rapture on the next episode. That's fine. And
• 1:08:45
  we can actually spend more time on that then.
• 1:08:48
  But so I think one of the key defining features
• 1:08:50
  of dispensationalism is the thousand -year reign.
• 1:08:53
  Because they believe it's an actual physical
• 1:08:55
  earthly reign of Christ. Yeah, that Jesus will
• 1:08:57
  literally be on the earth for a thousand years.
• 1:08:59
  And it's like, oh, well, that's an interesting
• 1:09:00
  idea. So let's see, does the Bible support that?
• 1:09:03
  Sure, yeah. And so for them, they believe that
• 1:09:07
  the reign is the fulfillment of the Old Testament
• 1:09:10
  promises to Israel, which we see in 2 Samuel
• 1:09:13
  7, Isaiah 2. and chapter 11, Ezekiel 40 through
• 1:09:17
  48. Kind of in there. That Israel would be restored,
• 1:09:20
  live securely in their land, and have the Messiah
• 1:09:23
  ruling over them. So this was never realized
• 1:09:26
  in Israel's history. So the belief is that it's
• 1:09:29
  still gonna happen and it's gonna happen on earth.
• 1:09:32
  Yeah, which is a very... Which is funny, it's
• 1:09:34
  like if you listen to our previous episode, you
• 1:09:35
  kind of know where we sit on that view already.
• 1:09:38
  Well, and it's one of those things where it's
• 1:09:41
  an... It's this interesting thing that happens
• 1:09:44
  where we yeah on the last episode in particular
• 1:09:48
  We get into the idea that like if Jesus was gonna
• 1:09:50
  do that. He would have done it Mmm, like he literally
• 1:09:54
  while he's here the whole time is going guys.
• 1:09:57
  That's not what I'm doing now You're jumping
• 1:09:59
  ahead. Yeah, but yeah exactly, but it's it's
• 1:10:02
  not well. Yeah, let's get into that in a second
• 1:10:04
  Okay, yeah, let me set this up first. Okay, so
• 1:10:07
  okay, so then we're talking about the Millennium,
• 1:10:09
  which is that thousand -year. Yes So the Millennium
• 1:10:12
  is viewed as God's climactic dispensation in
• 1:10:15
  history, where Christ rules perfectly, Satan
• 1:10:18
  is bound, Israel is exalted, and the nations
• 1:10:20
  experience justice and peace only after this
• 1:10:24
  is the final judgment. So is the new earth the
• 1:10:27
  Millennium Falcon? Yes. I love that. But because
• 1:10:32
  they believe in pre -tribulation, their belief
• 1:10:36
  is that there are no Christians on this earth.
• 1:10:38
  So it's just left Christ ruling unbelievers.
• 1:10:41
  Which would be supported by the age of the Gentiles
• 1:10:44
  coming to an end in Revelation. Which is an interesting
• 1:10:47
  idea. It is. Which is a real thing. In Revelation
• 1:10:55
  it talks about the age of the Gentiles coming
• 1:10:57
  to an end. And then in that is when Israel will
• 1:11:02
  either find salvation or be judged for lack of
• 1:11:05
  it. which, yeah, I mean that goes, I feel like
• 1:11:08
  that goes into the retaking of the nations. For
• 1:11:11
  sure. Which is the Gentiles. Yes. The Gentile
• 1:11:14
  nations. Yes. But so I kind of wanted to sit
• 1:11:18
  with, since we're talking about apocalyptic text,
• 1:11:23
  which is Revelation. Yes. And it's very prophetic.
• 1:11:26
  Yes. It's like, okay, and so the thousand years,
• 1:11:29
  this is where they kind of hinge, this one station
• 1:11:31
  is like, well, it's said six times in these verses.
• 1:11:36
  So let's read it literally. And so for me, as
• 1:11:41
  the skeptic that I am, I'm like, okay, well,
• 1:11:44
  how does that hold up to the rest of scripture?
• 1:11:47
  Because, I mean, you can say anything. So we're
• 1:11:50
  like, oh, it says it this many times, therefore
• 1:11:52
  it means this. Where'd you get that from? Yeah,
• 1:11:55
  so it's based on numerology. Yeah, for me, I'm
• 1:11:57
  just like... Don't think that there's like a
• 1:12:00
  legend and there's like, oh if I say it six times,
• 1:12:02
  it means it's literal not symbolic Well, it also
• 1:12:05
  depends on how how how you interpret the way
• 1:12:09
  that revelations laid out, which is what you're
• 1:12:11
  for sure I don't know if you're getting cuz there's
• 1:12:13
  like totally in there But I what I'm looking
• 1:12:15
  at is like, okay, so it's using language Specific
• 1:12:19
  language talking about a thousand years. Yeah.
• 1:12:21
  Okay. How is its use? how does it compare in
• 1:12:24
  the rest of scripture? How does scripture use
• 1:12:26
  that phrase? That's where I'm at. I just mean
• 1:12:29
  that there's a pretty good understanding that,
• 1:12:32
  and there's several different views of this,
• 1:12:34
  but that revelation is actually split in half.
• 1:12:39
  Right, and it kind of repeats itself. Repeats
• 1:12:42
  itself halfway through. So then six times ends
• 1:12:45
  up being three times. But then there's also a
• 1:12:48
  cyclical view where revelation actually starts
• 1:12:51
  in the middle. it comes back around. It's almost
• 1:12:54
  like you took the storyline, cut it in half,
• 1:12:57
  and then put the back on the front. Sure. Which
• 1:12:59
  goes into other ideas. Right. Which I don't want
• 1:13:02
  to get into right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what
• 1:13:04
  I mean is like, so they say dispensationalism.
• 1:13:06
  Yeah, because we're not talking about how to
• 1:13:08
  read Revelation, we're talking about dispensationalism.
• 1:13:10
  No, I'm talking about how they're reading it.
• 1:13:11
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And what they say is, oh, it's
• 1:13:13
  said six times, therefore it's literal. And it's
• 1:13:16
  like, okay, well you... Like, where are you getting
• 1:13:18
  that from? Especially the number six. Yeah. Wait
• 1:13:22
  a second. I think it tells us where they get
• 1:13:24
  it from. Uh -oh. Oh, I mean. I mean, hey, guys.
• 1:13:29
  Like, comment, subscribe. This is not something
• 1:13:32
  to be hostile against either. No. That's just
• 1:13:34
  a joke. It's just talking. We're just joshing.
• 1:13:38
  Which is Jesus' name. Okay, that's a wild take.
• 1:13:42
  Sorry that was wild. Anyway, so I'm like, okay,
• 1:13:46
  so how do we see it used in the whole of scripture?
• 1:13:50
  Right. And how can we use that to interpret what
• 1:13:53
  we're reading here? Yeah. Because I think that's
• 1:13:55
  important. Yeah. So it's only, we only see it
• 1:13:59
  three other places in scripture. Okay. The phrase
• 1:14:01
  a thousand years. Got it. And so the first one
• 1:14:04
  I have is Psalm 94. Chapter 90 verse 4. That's
• 1:14:11
  why I had a long pause there. Chapter 90 verse
• 1:14:16
  4. Psalm. Psalms. Psalms. Well, just one specific
• 1:14:22
  one. For a thousand years in your sight are but
• 1:14:26
  as yesterday when it is past or as a watch in
• 1:14:30
  the night. So you could say a blink of an eye?
• 1:14:33
  Yes. But in this it's like, okay, it's very clearly...
• 1:14:37
  used symbolically. Sure. It's like you're not
• 1:14:39
  talking about like oh a literal thousand years
• 1:14:41
  is literally uh it's like no like a really long
• 1:14:44
  time. Yeah. Is like nothing. Right. And it's
• 1:14:47
  talking it's it's pointing out in this to add
• 1:14:49
  some context to it's pointing out like the frailty
• 1:14:51
  of humanity. Yep. In the everlastingness of God.
• 1:14:54
  Yes. Um so the next one we have is Ecclesiastes
• 1:14:57
  chapter six verse six. Okay. Uh oh back to the
• 1:15:00
  sixes. Even though he should live a thousand
• 1:15:04
  years twice over. yet enjoy no good do not all
• 1:15:08
  go to the same uh to the one place sorry i'm
• 1:15:12
  gonna botch that no you're good um so here it's
• 1:15:15
  like okay someone living a thousand years twice
• 1:15:17
  two thousand years i don't think he's being literal
• 1:15:21
  yeah true so it's like okay so we have another
• 1:15:24
  metaphorical symbolic usage here yeah and it's
• 1:15:27
  like okay well what's the other place Well, we
• 1:15:31
  have 2nd Peter 3 8. Oh, everyone's like who finally
• 1:15:33
  some New Testament Old Testament Old Testament
• 1:15:37
  stuff out of here Wait, but the dispensationalist
• 1:15:40
  actually would be like well the it's unfulfilled
• 1:15:42
  prophecy from the Old Testament Yeah, like well,
• 1:15:45
  I'm just talking about language And actually
• 1:15:48
  it's funny because this verse is actually echoing
• 1:15:50
  Psalm 90, which we just read and it says with
• 1:15:54
  the Lord One day is as a thousand years in a
• 1:15:57
  thousand years as one day people love to misquote
• 1:15:58
  that one Well, that's also echoing Psalm 90 verse
• 1:16:01
  4. That's what I just said. Well, there you go.
• 1:16:05
  And so therefore I echoed you. You just echoed
• 1:16:06
  my echo. Welcome to the ecosphere. The ecosphere.
• 1:16:11
  Literally an echo. Echo, echo, echo. So it's
• 1:16:15
  like, OK, so the three other uses we have are
• 1:16:19
  all used symbolically or metaphorically. Yeah,
• 1:16:21
  and someone once told me that if something is
• 1:16:23
  written in the Old Testament, see if it's also
• 1:16:25
  written in the New Testament. Yeah. And guess
• 1:16:30
  what it is it is and then the only other place
• 1:16:33
  we see that phrase is in Revelation, right? but
• 1:16:37
  so it's interesting is I Wanted to look specifically
• 1:16:41
  at prophets and like, okay, how did they speak?
• 1:16:43
  They might not have said that phrase but this
• 1:16:46
  idea Yeah, as far as like Christ ruling on earth
• 1:16:49
  for a thousand years physically. Oh, yeah. Yeah,
• 1:16:51
  it's like, okay, so what is What is that? Like
• 1:16:55
  how do they speak about that idea? Sure Or do
• 1:16:59
  they speak to it? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So
• 1:17:02
  whenever prophets speak of future ages of peace,
• 1:17:05
  restoration or judgment, they use the Day of
• 1:17:09
  the Lord, which we see in Joel 2, Amos 5, or
• 1:17:11
  Zephaniah 1, forever or everlasting, which we
• 1:17:15
  see in Isaiah 9 or Daniel 7, or they'll use symbolic
• 1:17:20
  numbers. So it's like, okay, so any time that
• 1:17:23
  this concept is brought up, they're saying, oh
• 1:17:26
  no, it lasts forever. Right like it's not a certain
• 1:17:30
  period of time and then it's like yeah, and then
• 1:17:35
  Yeah, so it's like okay, so In this like there
• 1:17:40
  is there is no like, okay He'll be here for a
• 1:17:43
  thousand years and he's gonna let Satan have
• 1:17:45
  one more Alaska and then he's gonna end it all
• 1:17:48
  right It's like why is he just playing with his
• 1:17:50
  food? Yeah and so I think for me and this is
• 1:17:54
  where when we just take that idea because he
• 1:17:58
  The way I hear it and the way I read it, I'm
• 1:18:01
  curious to hear your thoughts on this. It's this
• 1:18:04
  idea that Christ is still working toward victory.
• 1:18:10
  Because it's like, wait a second, so if we believe
• 1:18:13
  that he conquered death and the grave through
• 1:18:14
  his resurrection, and then he's like, okay, I've
• 1:18:18
  conquered it, it's finished. He says it is finished.
• 1:18:21
  And then he's like, yeah, but see you in a while.
• 1:18:24
  then I'll come back, I'm gonna take over for
• 1:18:27
  a thousand years, then I'm gonna be like, peace,
• 1:18:29
  and then I'm gonna do it again. And it's like,
• 1:18:31
  wait, so like, when is he victorious? Because
• 1:18:36
  the way that idea is presented, the way I understand
• 1:18:40
  it, is like, he didn't actually win, and then
• 1:18:45
  he's gonna rule again, and then he's just gonna
• 1:18:46
  give it up, and then he'll come back. It's like,
• 1:18:49
  wait, no, no, no, that's not what Jesus said.
• 1:18:53
  In his death on the cross, he said, it is finished.
• 1:18:56
  Yes. And when he comes up, I mean, we have so
• 1:18:59
  many verses here. So it is finished. That's John
• 1:19:02
  19 .30. But nowhere does scripture clearly separate
• 1:19:08
  this rapture, this taking of a people and final
• 1:19:13
  judgment. So it kind of like eliminates this
• 1:19:15
  idea of this thousand year literal physical reign
• 1:19:17
  of Christ. Oh, that they're not put exactly together
• 1:19:21
  in the same passage. What do you mean? As far
• 1:19:24
  as like they're not separate. So like the taking
• 1:19:26
  up, I'm kind of dipping into Rapture a little
• 1:19:28
  bit. You have to have to for this. It's like,
• 1:19:31
  it's not saying that those are two separate events.
• 1:19:34
  And anywhere in scripture that I've read, it
• 1:19:37
  only connects those two things. Like this is
• 1:19:40
  all one event. And so there isn't this middle
• 1:19:42
  period that we added of like, oh yeah, so like
• 1:19:47
  people are gonna be taken up. and then there's
• 1:19:49
  gonna be a little pause break for a couple thousand
• 1:19:51
  years, and then it'll happen. It's like, wait,
• 1:19:54
  so where do we go in the meantime? And so scripture,
• 1:19:58
  the way I read it, says that no, we'll be taken
• 1:20:01
  up and judgment of the whole earth. There's not
• 1:20:05
  this waiting period in between where Christ is
• 1:20:08
  kind of playing with his food. And so for me,
• 1:20:11
  I think, and this is where I think there's some
• 1:20:13
  danger and potentially some... there's an issue
• 1:20:19
  in how we understand what Christ accomplished.
• 1:20:25
  And so it's like, in a way it's saying that he
• 1:20:27
  was unsuccessful in his resurrection because
• 1:20:33
  he's not yet conquered everything. And so when
• 1:20:38
  we say, even in our phraseology, I've actually
• 1:20:41
  started to change the way I say this, and it's
• 1:20:43
  like, it's not right to say that Christ will
• 1:20:47
  come back. Sure. But it's more correct, even
• 1:20:52
  when we look at the urgency that Jesus speaks
• 1:20:54
  of himself, and Revelation speaks of him, it's
• 1:20:57
  more, I believe it's more proper to say, or more
• 1:21:00
  correct to say, Jesus is on his way. Okay. Because
• 1:21:04
  we don't live our life here in a place of he
• 1:21:08
  will be victorious. Yes. No, he already won.
• 1:21:12
  I see what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well,
• 1:21:15
  and I think the glue of the last couple episodes
• 1:21:19
  into this one is the simplicity of, with dispensationalism,
• 1:21:26
  it's a little bit of Christians, evangelical,
• 1:21:30
  modern evangelicals, looking at what the Jews
• 1:21:34
  wanted. And saying like, well, that potentially
• 1:21:38
  hasn't happened yet because the Jews don't have
• 1:21:41
  their savior. But the Jews do have their savior.
• 1:21:45
  They just didn't believe in him. Because he didn't
• 1:21:49
  reign for a thousand years on the earth. So the
• 1:21:54
  Jews got it wrong in that instance, meaning they
• 1:21:57
  didn't follow Jesus and become Christians. And
• 1:22:02
  because they didn't do that, that doesn't mean
• 1:22:04
  that now those prophetic things that the Old
• 1:22:07
  Testament said would happen didn't happen. It
• 1:22:11
  doesn't mean that those things didn't actually
• 1:22:12
  take place. It doesn't mean that they are for
• 1:22:17
  the end times or the age to come. So Christians
• 1:22:21
  coming in thousands of years later and going,
• 1:22:26
  oh man, we need the Jews back in Israel sacrificing
• 1:22:30
  again so that Jesus can come back and save the
• 1:22:34
  Jewish people after the age of the Gentiles.
• 1:22:36
  and reign on the earth for a thousand years.
• 1:22:38
  It's like, well, he was already here. He was
• 1:22:41
  already here the first time. The next time is
• 1:22:44
  judgment. And that's where, like for me, that's
• 1:22:48
  a huge breakdown. Absolutely. Is going like,
• 1:22:51
  well, hang on. The Jews got it wrong. And that's
• 1:22:57
  where we see the Book of Acts. It's like all
• 1:22:59
  of this stuff is taking place. Jesus says the
• 1:23:02
  generation in Matthew 24 again, the generation
• 1:23:06
  this generation will see this happen, the abomination
• 1:23:09
  of desolation. And what do we see? We see the
• 1:23:12
  historians writing that down of human sacrifices
• 1:23:16
  and unclean blood spilled all over the temple
• 1:23:19
  and another king sitting on the mercy seat declaring
• 1:23:27
  himself as God, which is the abomination of desolation.
• 1:23:31
  Absolutely. And that generation was still alive,
• 1:23:33
  the one that Jesus was speaking to. Yes. So it's
• 1:23:36
  like that did happen. Yes. And that was literal.
• 1:23:40
  Yeah. Now, now, Revelation also speaks to it.
• 1:23:46
  But that doesn't necessarily mean that there's
• 1:23:48
  a like that that is literal. Sure. And that's
• 1:23:53
  where I think that's where it can get complicated.
• 1:23:55
  It can. It's like a lot of times prophecy doesn't
• 1:23:59
  just mean one thing. Right. Sometimes it's referring
• 1:24:02
  to multiple things. But that's getting into how
• 1:24:05
  to read Revelation. Because if we're gonna say
• 1:24:08
  that the temple, the third temple is literal,
• 1:24:12
  with the thousand year reign is literal, then
• 1:24:16
  what's Babylon? Why is Babylon not literal? Why
• 1:24:19
  is that not literally Babylon? Why is it okay
• 1:24:23
  for us to be like, no, that's, well, and then
• 1:24:26
  most dispensationalists now would preach, well,
• 1:24:29
  Well, Babylon is literal and it's Iran. And you're
• 1:24:33
  like, okay, but why doesn't it say Iran? I guess
• 1:24:37
  that's my thing is like, at what point are you
• 1:24:41
  taking these references and these pieces that
• 1:24:47
  John the Revelator is trying to express what
• 1:24:50
  the end times look like? How are you deciding
• 1:24:53
  what's literal and what's not? If some of it
• 1:24:56
  right next to each other, is literal, but some
• 1:24:58
  of it's not. It's all in the same chapter. It's
• 1:25:01
  all in the same letter. It's all in the same
• 1:25:03
  space. It's like, well, which one is it? Is it
• 1:25:05
  literal or is it not? Because the abomination
• 1:25:08
  of desolation that Jesus talks about in Matthew
• 1:25:10
  24 did happen in 70 AD. So it's like all of these
• 1:25:14
  things. So that's one of the big things that,
• 1:25:17
  that's one of the big questions I have for dispensationalists
• 1:25:19
  is like, okay, well, have we thought about the
• 1:25:22
  things that you're waiting for that for sure
• 1:25:25
  have actually happened? Um, and are we ignoring
• 1:25:29
  the fact that Jesus was like, look, I'm here
• 1:25:32
  to retake the whole earth and nullify the print
• 1:25:37
  of the air. Yes. I'm not actually here to be
• 1:25:41
  the king of earth in a physical sense. Right.
• 1:25:45
  I'm spiritually gonna, and that's why like Christians
• 1:25:48
  in politics actually does make sense because
• 1:25:52
  if because that's that is something that I personally
• 1:25:55
  struggle with for a long time is like why do
• 1:25:57
  we even care about world governments and impacting
• 1:26:00
  local spaces and it's like well because if Jesus
• 1:26:06
  came back and the gospel is spread in order to
• 1:26:09
  reclaim and reverse like the deuteronomy 32 um
• 1:26:14
  and the the the landscape and the spiritual realm
• 1:26:18
  which is what he did yeah in uh Israel and then
• 1:26:23
  commissioned the disciples to go and do it throughout
• 1:26:25
  the rest of their world and take back the rest
• 1:26:28
  of the world. Now, the earthly leaders who are
• 1:26:33
  backed by spiritual entities or principalities
• 1:26:37
  in those areas, Ephesians 6, then... Christians
• 1:26:42
  need to come in spiritually and invade those
• 1:26:45
  spaces and step on the ground of other principalities
• 1:26:50
  and then physically walk into those places and
• 1:26:54
  take the rule of the kingdom of God there in
• 1:26:56
  those spaces and actually try to influence it
• 1:27:00
  in the way of the kingdom of God and not diminish
• 1:27:03
  their rule and reign in those spaces, not diminish
• 1:27:08
  those by submitting to principalities of the
• 1:27:10
  area. I mean, because that's the command we were
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  given. Yes. It was to go out and make disciples
• 1:27:16
  of all nations. Right. Yes. It didn't say, yeah,
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  make sure Israel has a land and they start making
• 1:27:22
  sacrifices. Otherwise, I'm never coming back.
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  Exactly. It doesn't say that. It doesn't mean
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  that's not true. Right. But it doesn't say that.
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  It says, hey, your focus, pay attention, like
• 1:27:32
  read Revelation, pay attention to what's happening.
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  But also like, do what you're supposed to do.
• 1:27:40
  Which is to go out. And I think one of the things
• 1:27:44
  that, like in the next episode, we'll start to
• 1:27:47
  unpack Rapture a bit. Because one of the things
• 1:27:51
  that I want to get into is when you're talking
• 1:27:54
  about like the thousand year reign and also the
• 1:27:56
  gap between the amount of time. Well there is
• 1:28:00
  the Feast of Trumpets. And then 10 days after
• 1:28:04
  the Feast of Trumpets is the Day of Atonement.
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  Yeah, which there's stuff to talk about with
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  that, right? Yeah, and that leans a lot into
• 1:28:10
  the rapture. Yes Where potentially rapture of
• 1:28:15
  the church? feast of trumpets which has a lot
• 1:28:20
  of parallels and Then in preparation for the
• 1:28:24
  day of atonement or the day of judgment. Yeah
• 1:28:26
  Which is a different eschatology. Yes Actually,
• 1:28:31
  I want to there's a couple of verses here that
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  I want to read Okay. Which I think might be a
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  fun ending for at least to put a cap on where
• 1:28:38
  we're at. Yeah, yeah. And then help us lead into
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  this for the next time. So can I mention Augustine?
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  No. Yes. So I'll mention Augustine because I
• 1:28:47
  want to tie that bow. We'll definitely be talking
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  about him on the next one. Oh, we will? Oh, yeah.
• 1:28:51
  Like all millennialism? Probably, yeah. Okay.
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  Well, then let me just say this. Yeah. The way
• 1:29:00
  that... Augustine or Saint Augustine framed ah
• 1:29:06
  -millennialism, which I guess we will go to on
• 1:29:09
  the next episode. That was really the belief
• 1:29:12
  of the church for hundreds of years because of
• 1:29:14
  his establishment of that. But also Saint Augustine
• 1:29:18
  is where you get original sin, the idea that
• 1:29:21
  a child is born fully sinful and in need of infant
• 1:29:31
  baptism in order to receive salvation as an infant,
• 1:29:35
  because if the child dies, then they would be
• 1:29:40
  damned to hell if not baptized. From Augustine,
• 1:29:44
  since we're picking on him a little bit, that's
• 1:29:47
  where we also switch from a supernatural worldview
• 1:29:50
  to a natural worldview. Yes. Because that's something
• 1:29:53
  that he heavily led the charge on. of discounting
• 1:29:58
  the supernatural. Right, in his massive book,
• 1:30:01
  The City of God. This one was actually, that
• 1:30:04
  one is on a Genesis commentary he wrote. The
• 1:30:08
  City of God is a big one. That's big on the Amillennialism.
• 1:30:12
  So that's where a lot of that stuff comes from.
• 1:30:15
  But Augustine's also the one who writes a book
• 1:30:18
  literally called Confessions and basically talks
• 1:30:22
  about the lust of the flesh as a... a teenage
• 1:30:25
  boy. They're just like, I'm messed up. Yeah.
• 1:30:27
  Yeah. And you're like, okay, I feel like this
• 1:30:29
  shaped a lot of your theology. Absolutely. And
• 1:30:37
  I feel like you have to say like, St. Augustine
• 1:30:40
  confessions. I love that you - No ditty. No ditty.
• 1:30:44
  I love that you say it both ways every other
• 1:30:47
  time. It's great. I want to appease both crowds.
• 1:30:50
  I love that. The layman and the theologian. Like
• 1:30:57
  Paul, following the footsteps of Paul. I love
• 1:31:00
  it. Yeah, wrap this up here. So I want to read
• 1:31:03
  these, which I think they'll take us out pretty
• 1:31:06
  easily. So the first one is John 12, chapter
• 1:31:09
  12, verses 31 through 32. Okay. Now is the judgment
• 1:31:14
  of this world. Now will the ruler of this world
• 1:31:18
  be cast out. And I, when I am lifted up from
• 1:31:21
  the earth, will draw all people to myself. And
• 1:31:26
  then Colossians 2 .15. God disarmed the rulers
• 1:31:31
  and authorities and put them to open shame by
• 1:31:34
  triumphing over them in Christ. And then Hebrews
• 1:31:41
  2 .14. That through death he might destroy the
• 1:31:46
  one who has power of death, that is the devil.
• 1:31:50
  And then finally, 1 John 3, 8, the reason the
• 1:31:54
  Son of God appeared was to destroy the works
• 1:31:56
  of the devil. And so, the reason I bring all
• 1:32:00
  those up, and they're short, but they're to the
• 1:32:02
  point. And that's kind of why I like them. It's
• 1:32:05
  like, it's this idea of like, okay, so why was
• 1:32:08
  Jesus here? Which we talk about, what did He
• 1:32:10
  even do when He was here? And I think that should
• 1:32:12
  help influence how we view the next thing, or
• 1:32:17
  the current thing. It's like, okay, so what did
• 1:32:20
  Jesus do? It's like, well, He came to destroy
• 1:32:23
  and cast out. And we have to ask ourselves a
• 1:32:26
  question, did He do it or did He not do it? I
• 1:32:30
  argue, and I think Scripture argues, that He
• 1:32:32
  did do it. He was successful. He did accomplish
• 1:32:36
  what He came to accomplish. And so, back to what
• 1:32:40
  I was saying earlier, or to reemphasize that,
• 1:32:43
  is Today, we don't stand on a future victory.
• 1:32:48
  We stand on the fact that he is victorious. And
• 1:32:52
  he won't come back, he is coming back. And so,
• 1:32:58
  when we look to challenge our own views in our
• 1:33:02
  language, it's not like the devil has supreme
• 1:33:07
  authority over us and we've gotta like, oh, hopefully
• 1:33:10
  Christ will come and knock him out one day. It's
• 1:33:12
  like, no, no, he's knocked out. Yeah, he still
• 1:33:15
  has rain to do some things. Yes. Because final
• 1:33:19
  judgment hasn't been made. Yeah, and he roams
• 1:33:22
  around like a roaring lion waiting to devour.
• 1:33:25
  Yes. So if you are not taking rain in your space
• 1:33:29
  in the spiritual realm, then he's waiting to
• 1:33:34
  devour. Now, he's not standing right next to
• 1:33:36
  you the whole time waiting for you to slip up.
• 1:33:39
  But in some ways, there is Something that if
• 1:33:44
  you open a doorway or a gateway There is a high
• 1:33:48
  chance that something's gonna come through that
• 1:33:50
  that that you don't want there Yeah, that is
• 1:33:54
  in league with the devil Yeah, and so the reason
• 1:33:58
  I bring that up and I'm glad you said that is
• 1:34:00
  it is it's not to I'll say it this way The reason
• 1:34:05
  for me that I bring that up in regards to dispensationalism
• 1:34:09
  is the hesitancy to what it alludes to. Sure.
• 1:34:12
  And that's that Christ isn't yet victorious.
• 1:34:14
  Right. When it's like, no, no, no, that's not
• 1:34:16
  true. Right. He is victorious. Christus Victor.
• 1:34:19
  Yeah. And so I think when we look at... That's
• 1:34:23
  Latin, right? It sounds Latin. You need your
• 1:34:27
  broomstick for that. My whittling stick. Yeah.
• 1:34:35
  And it's like, so I think when we look at any
• 1:34:37
  end times theology or eschatology, it's... Or
• 1:34:42
  winnowing stick, the sheath. Yeah, that's the
• 1:34:47
  next episode. Yeah. Let's remember that Christ
• 1:34:51
  is victorious. Yes. And let's let that influence
• 1:34:54
  how we interpret or how we understand. Yes. Yeah.
• 1:34:59
  Which, I would actually say a lot of dispensationalists
• 1:35:01
  don't realize that part of their eschatology
• 1:35:06
  and end times thought doesn't include the victory
• 1:35:10
  of Christ now, but the future victory. Yeah.
• 1:35:14
  It's like both now, it's like, cake and eat it
• 1:35:16
  too. It's like, you know what I mean? It's like,
• 1:35:18
  that does happen a lot because people don't fully
• 1:35:20
  understand the doctrine itself and what you're
• 1:35:23
  holding to. And one of the things that I'll reiterate
• 1:35:27
  because you're kind of alluding to this that
• 1:35:29
  you bring up a lot is just the simple idea that
• 1:35:34
  I'll add a little bit of mine into it. It's important
• 1:35:39
  to know the way you think about how things are
• 1:35:41
  going to end. because that affects the decisions
• 1:35:45
  you make now. So whatever you hope the outcome
• 1:35:48
  will be or whatever you assume or think the outcome
• 1:35:51
  will be influences the decisions that you make
• 1:35:54
  today. So it's the same idea as if you wanna
• 1:35:57
  graduate high school, you gotta do your homework.
• 1:35:59
  You know what I mean? So if you think that...
• 1:36:02
  things are just getting worse and and God's just
• 1:36:06
  going to or Jesus is just gonna show up and pull
• 1:36:09
  you out of it and like sidestep it and like oh
• 1:36:11
  you just juked out the enemy and all that stuff
• 1:36:14
  Jesus juked all those things that that's that's
• 1:36:21
  great it's it's fun it's like cool and maybe
• 1:36:24
  that is how it happens but the truth is is if
• 1:36:28
  that causes your day in and day out Christianity
• 1:36:31
  and your following of Christ to mean that you're
• 1:36:34
  doing less works that bring the kingdom of God
• 1:36:38
  into real time and affecting the spaces that
• 1:36:41
  you're in, then it's not a good eschatology for
• 1:36:44
  you. I bring this verse up a lot, which is Amos
• 1:36:48
  5 -8. It says, woe to you who long for the day
• 1:36:52
  of the Lord. Don't you know that it's a day of
• 1:36:54
  wrath and not a day of celebration? Exactly.
• 1:36:56
  That's my paraphrase of it. But it's like, that
• 1:36:58
  is to what you're saying. It's like, if you think
• 1:37:00
  that, hey, life's just tough, and I'm just getting
• 1:37:03
  beat up here, but God's gonna just pull me out
• 1:37:06
  of it. Yeah. And it's like, he's saying, well,
• 1:37:08
  easy now. Yeah. Because that's, I mean, you said
• 1:37:12
  this on a previous episode. we've talked about
• 1:37:14
  in many episodes, where it's like the Christian
• 1:37:15
  life, there is a level of suffering that happens
• 1:37:17
  there. And it's about daily discipline. It's
• 1:37:20
  the glory and the mundane. It's like, we need
• 1:37:23
  to trudge through every single day to live as
• 1:37:28
  righteous as we can. And every day striving to
• 1:37:31
  get better. Not because we're just getting beat
• 1:37:34
  down, but Christ is gonna be victorious one day
• 1:37:36
  and he's gonna pull us out of it. It's like,
• 1:37:37
  maybe that happens. Maybe he does pull us out
• 1:37:39
  of it before things happen. But all we know is,
• 1:37:43
  He didn't say that means don't care. Yes. Yeah,
• 1:37:48
  and that's without eating too much into our rapture
• 1:37:52
  theology because it is that idea that if we get
• 1:37:58
  pulled out of that then suffering doesn't lead
• 1:38:01
  to perseverance, right? And then perseverance
• 1:38:04
  doesn't lead. It's like those who remain in the
• 1:38:08
  end and have had their. faith tested, I think
• 1:38:13
  if we think we're just gonna get pulled out of
• 1:38:16
  it and then we live a life that is American comfort,
• 1:38:21
  as we've been talking about in the last couple
• 1:38:22
  of episodes, if we live a life of American comfort,
• 1:38:25
  we think we're just gonna get pulled out of it
• 1:38:27
  in an instant and not have to suffer trials and
• 1:38:31
  tribulation, then that's dangerous to our...
• 1:38:36
  our soul and what's actually happening in our
• 1:38:39
  life. And we might need to look around and go,
• 1:38:41
  wait, am I actually producing good fruit, fruit
• 1:38:44
  of the gospel, or am I producing fruit that is
• 1:38:48
  American fruit? And I'm actually suffering, not
• 1:38:53
  for the sake of the gospel, but because I'm saying
• 1:38:55
  that I'm a Christ follower, but I'm actually
• 1:38:58
  producing fruit of the world and therefore not
• 1:39:01
  a Christ follower. That I go to church, but because
• 1:39:06
  my life is easy, I don't recognize the fact that
• 1:39:09
  I'm not actually following Jesus. I'm just following
• 1:39:12
  the American gospel. Yeah. And that's a dangerous
• 1:39:15
  place to be. And we need to be careful that we
• 1:39:16
  don't take the Lord's name in vain. One hundred
• 1:39:18
  percent. We don't bear His name in vain. Yes.
• 1:39:19
  Because He says in Exodus, in the Ten Commandments,
• 1:39:23
  that He will not forget those who take His name
• 1:39:25
  in vain. Yes. Yeah. So saying you are when you're
• 1:39:28
  not. Yeah. Yeah. So it's scary stuff. It's scary
• 1:39:33
  stuff, man. It's kind of scary, eh? Hey, so speaking
• 1:39:38
  of the rapture... You got any more of that rapture
• 1:39:40
  stuff? How about we get out of here? 3, 2, 1...