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- Lucas: So Luna, here's a scenario. You start a kitchen remodel. You sign up for a newsletter from a big home improvement retailer. And for the next six months, you get emails about bathroom vanities and patio furniture. Not a single one about the cabinets you were actually researching. Luna: That is painfully familiar. My cousin just redid her basement and she said the same thing. Every email was about something she'd already decided on or something she'd never touched. Lucas: Right. And that's the core issue we're circling today. Marketing automation is built to sell you the next thing, but it's terrible at understanding where you actually are in a big, messy project like a renovation. The industry calls these 'life event journeys' — and for good reason. They're high value, high intent, and most brands botch them completely. Luna: Why is that? These companies have all our data. They know we're remodeling. Why can't they just send the right thing? Lucas: Because most marketing automation is built on a snapshot, not a story. The system sees you as a 'homeowner' or a 'DIY enthusiast' based on a profile you filled out once. But a renovation is a journey with phases — planning, budgeting, demolition, construction, finishing. Each phase has completely different questions and needs. A static profile can't capture that. Luna: So what should they do differently? I mean, you can't just ask someone every week where they are in their remodel. Lucas: Actually, you kind of can. And that's where progressive profiling comes in. Instead of asking everything upfront, you ask one or two questions per interaction, and you use their behavior to fill in the gaps. For example, if they click on three articles about backsplash tile, you know they're in the design phase. If they download a guide on contractor contracts, they're moving to hiring. Luna: That makes sense. But doesn't that require a lot more setup than your typical 'welcome email then monthly newsletter' workflow? Lucas: It does, but the payoff is huge. There's a building-supply retailer in the Pacific Northwest — I can't name them, but they're a real client — that built a renovation journey in a major marketing automation platform. They used a mix of basic profile data, behavioral triggers, and a few well-timed survey questions. The results were pretty striking. Luna: Let me guess. Open rates went up. Lucas: Open rates went up forty percent, and click-through rates tripled. But more importantly, unsubscribe rates dropped by half. People were actually getting value, so they stayed engaged. And they saw a direct lift in in-store visits for the specific categories each person was researching at the time. Luna: That's a great example. But it also sounds like the kind of thing that requires actual strategy, not just setting up a few workflows. Most marketers are drowning in tools and templates, and they just want something that works out of the box. Lucas: Exactly. And that's the trap. The out-of-the-box templates are all built for the average customer, and the average customer doesn't exist in a renovation. What you need is a journey that can branch and adapt. Let me walk you through what that actually looks like in practice. Luna: Please do. Because right now I'm just imagining a giant flowchart with a thousand little arrows. Lucas: It's not that complicated at the core. You start with a single trigger — someone signs up for a 'kitchen remodel guide' or visits your kitchen section three times. That kickstarts a journey. The first email is generic — 'welcome to the renovation club.' But the second email branches based on what they do with the first. Luna: So if they click on a link about cabinets, they get cabinet content. If they click on flooring, they get flooring content. Lucas: Exactly. And you can add a simple question — 'what's the main focus of your project?' — with a few options. That's progressive profiling. Now you have a declared preference, and every subsequent email can be tailored around that. But the key is to keep listening, because their focus can change. Someone planning a kitchen might end up redoing the whole first floor. Luna: So the journey needs to be flexible enough to change direction mid-stream. I guess that's the hard part for most automation platforms, isn't it? Lucas: It's less about the platform and more about the design. Modern tools like HubSpot or Marketo can absolutely handle this. The challenge is that marketers are used to thinking in linear funnels — top, middle, bottom. But a renovation is more like a web. You need to build decision points and logic that lets someone jump from one path to another based on their latest action. Luna: And what about the people who go quiet for a few weeks? Renovations take months, people get busy, they stop opening emails. Lucas: That's where a lot of automation fails. The default is to just keep sending the same cadence, and eventually you either annoy them or they forget you exist. A smarter approach is to have a 'pause' or 'win-back' branch. If someone hasn't engaged in, say, thirty days, you send a different message — maybe a resource on managing renovation stress, or a checklist for their next phase. That shows you understand the reality of their situation. Luna: It's like being a good friend who doesn't text you every day, but sends you a thoughtful note when they haven't heard from you in a while. Lucas: That's exactly the analogy. And that's why this episode might be useful if you're thinking about your own marketing — because the same principles apply to any big life event, not just renovations. And if you found this helpful, the way we keep doing these ad-free is listener support. You can buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. It genuinely helps us keep going. Luna: Yeah, it's a small way to keep these conversations going, and we really appreciate it. Lucas: So let's dig a little deeper into those decision points. One of the most powerful triggers is a simple content download. Someone downloads a 'kitchen layout guide' — that tells you they're in the planning phase. But if they then download a 'contractor contract template,' they've moved to the hiring phase. You can automatically shift the journey to focus on what to ask contractors, how to compare bids, and how to avoid common delays. Luna: So you're using their behavior to infer their phase, rather than forcing them to fill out a form every time. That feels less creepy and more helpful. Lucas: Right. And when you do need to ask, keep it light. A quick poll in an email — 'which of these is your biggest concern right now?' — can be surprisingly effective. One client found that a single question in a monthly newsletter drove a thirty percent increase in engagement, because people felt heard. Luna: That's a good point. But what about the trust factor? If I'm getting emails that feel too tailored, I might wonder how they know so much about my renovation. Lucas: That's a real concern. The trick is to be transparent. Use language like 'based on what you've been exploring' or 'since you downloaded our guide.' That way, it's clear the recommendations come from your own behavior, not some creepy surveillance. And always give an option to update preferences — that's a form of progressive profiling in itself. Luna: So it's about balancing personalization with privacy. I think a lot of brands overcorrect and just don't personalize at all, which is why we get those irrelevant emails. Lucas: Exactly. The cost of being too generic is that you become noise. And the cost of being too creepy is that you lose trust. The sweet spot is to use the data you have to make the experience better, without making the customer feel like they're being monitored. Luna: Let's talk about the ROI for a second. Is this kind of dynamic journey worth the extra effort, especially for small businesses that don't have a huge marketing team? Lucas: That's a fair question. The initial setup does take time, but once it's built, it runs on autopilot. And the payoff can be significant. In that building-supply case, they saw a 23 percent increase in average order value from the renovation segment, because they were recommending complementary products at the right time — flashings when someone bought underlayment, for example. Luna: Twenty-three percent is nothing to sneeze at. But I'd imagine you need clean data to make this work. If your CRM is full of outdated profiles, the whole thing falls apart. Lucas: That's the foundation. You need a decent customer data platform or at least a CRM that can track behavior and update profiles in real time. If you're using spreadsheets or siloed tools, you're going to struggle. But even a simple approach — using tags and lists in your email tool — can get you started. Luna: So what's the first step for someone listening who wants to improve their own automation for life events like this? Lucas: Start by mapping the phases of your customer's journey. For a renovation, that might be research, design, budgeting, hiring, execution, and finishing. For each phase, list the top three questions or concerns. Then create one piece of content per question — a checklist, a guide, a video. That's your content library. Then build a simple automation that delivers that content based on triggers and behavior. Luna: It sounds like the content is the real work, not the technology. The automation is just the delivery system. Lucas: That's a smart way to put it. The tech is getting easier and easier, but the brands that win are the ones that actually understand their customers' journey and create content that helps them at each step. Automation just makes it scalable. Luna: And I guess that's why we see so many examples of automation failing — because people skip the content and journey mapping and just set up the tech. Lucas: Exactly. And the result is the irrelevant emails we started with. But when you get it right, it feels almost magical. The customer gets exactly what they need, and the brand gets their loyalty and money. Luna: So maybe the takeaway isn't 'marketing automation is broken,' but 'marketing automation is only as good as the strategy behind it.' Lucas: Yeah, I think that's the episode in one sentence. And if you're thinking about your own renovation, or your own marketing, I hope this gives you a fresh angle. I'm curious what you think, Luna — is there a life event that brands are getting right? Luna: I actually think weddings are done pretty well. They're a big event with a clear timeline, and there's so much data out there. I've seen some bridal brands send really relevant content based on where you are in planning. Lucas: That's true. Weddings are a great example, because the timeline is known — you've got a date. Renovations are messier because there's no set date. So maybe that's the next frontier: building journeys for the messy, unpredictable events. Luna: And that's probably why so many brands fail at renovations. It's not a nice linear path. Lucas: Right. But with the right approach, it's a huge opportunity. Anyone who can help a homeowner navigate that chaos is going to win their business.