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DEI with honor? | HBR Talk 356 · Honey Badger Radio

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Speaker 3: To the jugular.
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Speaker 1: This is Honeybudger Radio Radio with.
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Speaker 3: Twenty three fifty six DEI with honor. I'm your host
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Speaker 3: Hannah Wallen here with nonsense Annilator Lauren Brooks to the
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Speaker 3: personification of perceptivity Mike Stevenson, Hello, Hello.
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Speaker 1: We never do that when we get introduced.
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Speaker 3: You've got to you've got a new name.
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Speaker 4: It's it's fuzzy Mike.
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Speaker 1: How why explain your.
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Speaker 3: Already confused about us. We don't need to add to it,
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Speaker 3: but we are. We are working with the doge in
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Speaker 3: charge and Martinez who is in the background, and we
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Speaker 3: may not hear from him, but we're always happy to
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Speaker 3: when we get to.
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Speaker 1: Thursday is supposed to be his day off. Folks, he
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Speaker 1: recently decided to come in and help us on Thursdays as.
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Speaker 3: Well set up to do the vertical chat, and I'm
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Speaker 3: not in a position to put in the setup to
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Speaker 3: do the vertical chats. There you go, but we are
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Speaker 3: going to continue our really messy slog through the feminist
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Speaker 3: funding within the vast Department of Defense, and we're we're
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Speaker 3: back for some more information about sexual misconduct in the
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Speaker 3: military because that's definitely the biggest focus that the military
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Speaker 3: should be engaged in. And the billions of dollars that
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Speaker 3: are spent ensuring that women could be in the military
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Speaker 3: without you know, feeling uncomfortable or feeling groped or glared
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Speaker 3: at or glanced at, or any other type of sexual
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Speaker 3: misconduct applying to them totally cost effective, guys, totally cost effective.
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Speaker 3: It's a big help. So we definitely should always have
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Speaker 3: women in the military because it's it's apparently worth the
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Speaker 3: billions of dollars. I'm not kidding, like I'm gonna go
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Speaker 3: back to the previous page here, and this this is
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Speaker 3: just with a search for keyword sexual assault. I also
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Speaker 3: did a search for keyword sexual harassment. And the company
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Speaker 3: that we're going to talk about today that came from
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Speaker 3: that search. But let me see which page I'm one. Okay,
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Speaker 3: So there's page one here of contracts and these are
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Speaker 3: just one time contracts. There's also continuing contracts. That's what
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Speaker 3: the six contracts the idvs are and then there's also
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Speaker 3: grants for studies on this and it ranges from twenty
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Speaker 3: one million all the way down to the bottom rung
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Speaker 3: of this is that well, they haven't paid anything out yet,
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Speaker 3: and they're all these different companies, like last week we
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Speaker 3: looked at Catharsis Incorporated and the week before as well,
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Speaker 3: where we were looking at what are they producing for
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Speaker 3: these thousands of dollars, And these companies are getting chunks
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Speaker 3: of money three thousand, five thousand, and eight thousand, two thousand,
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Speaker 3: just depending on what they were producing at the time
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Speaker 3: for video content. And we discovered that the subject matter
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Speaker 3: was not really helpful in fighting wars. We weren't going
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Speaker 3: to prevent the enemy from taking over any areas or
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Speaker 3: take over any enemy areas by learning about each other's pronouns, right,
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Speaker 3: And the production value was not up to par in
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Speaker 3: my opinion as a person who makes videos. For the
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Speaker 3: money that was being spent on these videos. So this
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Speaker 3: week we're going to look further in. But as you
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Speaker 3: can see, this just keeps going and going and going.
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Speaker 3: And this is page one of what have I got here?
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Speaker 3: Eight pages, nine pages of one hundred items per page.
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Speaker 3: Bottom item on this page is still almost thirty thousand
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Speaker 3: dollars on the first page, So we're looking at quite
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Speaker 3: a bit of expenses here. When I say billions of dollars,
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Speaker 3: I'm not kidding. So let's see we get into We
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Speaker 3: End Violence LC. Can you imagine, just to start, this
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Speaker 3: is the name of a company. It's hilarious. It is hilarious.
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Speaker 3: We and Violence are What does your homepage look like?
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Speaker 5: Is it a bunch of fucking guys with huge muscles
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Speaker 5: and like guns?
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Speaker 3: Were?
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Speaker 4: How the fuck are you gonna? How do you propose
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Speaker 4: to do that?
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Speaker 3: Kind sir? Yeah, when I saw this, they were like, Okay,
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Speaker 3: we gotta find out what these guys are doing because
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Speaker 3: we in violence LLC Limited LLC by the way, for
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Speaker 3: people outside the United States or people who don't know
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Speaker 3: anything about business, it stands for limited liability corporation, Limited liability.
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Speaker 3: Apparently the fuck up the ending of the violence, they're
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Speaker 3: not responsible for that. Just how in the world.
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Speaker 4: Do you propose that you're gonna do that. It's it's
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Speaker 4: it's just laughable on the fucking face of it, right,
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Speaker 4: because violence it's almost like they think that violence is
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Speaker 4: something that is manufactured.
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Speaker 5: In some instances, yes, it is.
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Speaker 4: Violence is mostly well, I would say for a good
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Speaker 4: percentage of the times, when it does happen, it's unprovoked.
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Speaker 5: It's it's random. Someone does something to you that you
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Speaker 5: didn't expect them to do, and and.
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Speaker 4: Your your reaction is to respond in a violent manner.
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Speaker 3: Well, we're going to end violence. The first act of
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Speaker 3: violence is always unprovoked, yes, but that's that's pretty much.
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Speaker 3: The first act of violence is always something that the
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Speaker 3: individual did that was not justified by the actions of
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Speaker 3: the person that they did it too. That's always the case,
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Speaker 3: whether it's you know, any any kind of theft, whether
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Speaker 3: it's any kind of assault, battery, beating on someone engaging
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Speaker 3: in some sort of violence, sexual misconduct, imposition on somebody,
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Speaker 3: it's always unprovoked.
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Speaker 4: Like what what what what are they going to do?
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Speaker 4: Like pop out of the shadows with their end violence
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Speaker 4: t shirts?
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Speaker 3: We did violence? Well, we're gonna find out so well.
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Speaker 1: I generally think they're going to end violence against women.
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Speaker 1: They think they're going to end violence by men against women.
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Speaker 1: And then you ask them, are you going to end
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Speaker 1: violence by women against men? And they go, no, no,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't. And then for the rest of time, women
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Speaker 1: are going to be aggressively, exceptionally violent against men boys,
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Speaker 1: I should say. And then those boys grow up to
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Speaker 1: be violent because it was ingrained into them at an
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Speaker 1: early age by the women, who are definitely never violent.
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Speaker 1: And then and then they go, oh, well, yeah, well
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Speaker 1: we'll arrest and in prison all the men who are
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Speaker 1: violent for no reason. They talk about the prison pipeline.
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Speaker 1: They never talk about the mother to mother to son violence, yes,
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Speaker 1: because they don't see that. And so they have a
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Speaker 1: perpetual pipeline because they're not interested in ending violence, They're
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Speaker 1: interested in marginalizing and emasculating men forever, which creates this
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Speaker 1: perpetual pipeline of violence. I wonder if that's what we're
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Speaker 1: going to encounter the following episode. Stay tuned, folks.
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Speaker 3: We will find out. But before we actually get into this,
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Speaker 3: and we will, we do gotta do what we gotta do.
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Speaker 3: So here you go, as I I know, I say
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Speaker 3: this it's very important, otherwise people won't know. We do
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Speaker 3: have this kind of discussion all the time. We have
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Speaker 3: a mortgage board of thought provoking discussions. And sometimes it's
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Speaker 3: a bad stuff like this. Sometimes it's a bad stuff
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Speaker 3: like female and self. We were one of the early
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Speaker 3: talkers about the female dating strategy, back before they privated
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Speaker 3: all their shit because they were embarrassed to admit that
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Speaker 3: they were female and cells. And we did several shows
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Speaker 3: on that topic because you know, this was a new
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Speaker 3: thing at the time. But yeah, we have discussions ranging
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Speaker 3: from what's the government doing two men or what's it
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Speaker 3: costing men when the government does things uniquely for women
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Speaker 3: and excludes men, to history. We did a whole series
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Speaker 3: on suffrage and the evolution of voting rights in Western culture,
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Speaker 3: particularly that which was influenced by English common law as
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Speaker 3: different colonies of England became countries. But yeah, we've had
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Speaker 3: a broad variety no pun intended this time of discussions.
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Speaker 3: Talked about animate partner in sexual violence, talked about the
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Speaker 3: history of political correctness and how it has been used
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Speaker 3: to kill people. Just a rather broad variety, but as
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Speaker 3: experiences both recent long paths have demonstrated the provoked thoughts
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Speaker 1: I don't know either. I have my own PayPal. I'm
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Speaker 3: Well, in any case, doctor random Ercam's channel Mike is
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Speaker 3: switched everything I'm doing to Honey Badger Radio. So I
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Speaker 3: don't think I've put anything up on my channeling years because.
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Speaker 1: Kind of hut her money where her mouth is. Because
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Speaker 1: YouTube is a den of pedos stronger than I am.
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Speaker 1: So a long time ago she said, fuck YouTube, it's
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Speaker 1: a den of pedos. I can't be bothered with it,
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Speaker 1: and I'm not that strong. I can't. I can't exist
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Speaker 1: without this den of pedos I'm very sorry.
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Speaker 4: And I don't have a tip jar, So if you
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Speaker 4: because he needs to come to America and he will be.
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Speaker 1: Sitting with me, and then I will take single.
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Speaker 3: One of us wants Mike to come to America. Yes, yes,
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Speaker 3: we just don't want him to go home. Yes, that's
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Speaker 3: the problem. We want this to be home, like, we
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Speaker 3: can't do that yet.
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Speaker 1: So I feel like it already is just legally it isn't,
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Speaker 1: which is a shame.
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Speaker 3: That is the situation.
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Speaker 5: Don't you have what is it? Five million for the
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Speaker 5: gold the gold past?
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Speaker 3: What the hell is he calling it? Or does it
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Speaker 3: matter anyway? All Right, so we are going to get
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Speaker 3: into this, this weird ass shit that we're discussing today. So,
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Speaker 3: like I said, we've been on the topic of DEI
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Speaker 3: funding in the military and the funding for in particular,
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Speaker 3: sexual assault prevention and sexual harassment prevention, and how DEI
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Speaker 3: gets shoved in there. Like DEI is one of these
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Speaker 3: things that has sort of always been intertwined with feminism.
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Speaker 3: Feminism has always been intertwined with the progressive stack. The
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Speaker 3: history of that goes back to sort of the split
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Speaker 3: between something called gender feminism, which goes off more toward
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Speaker 3: radical feminists that then have all another split into radical
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Speaker 3: feminists and trans exclusionary radical feminists, and then the other
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Speaker 3: side of the split off from the the other branch
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Speaker 3: besides gender feminism is called intersection feminism, and intersectional feminism
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Speaker 3: is basically feminism plus cultural Marxism, which is not the
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Speaker 3: same as like Russian communism or Chinese communism. Cultural Marxism
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Speaker 3: was something that was evolved or was invented, created, built,
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Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it, in the United States
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Speaker 3: by refugees from communist countries that brought their communism with
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Speaker 3: them for some stupid reason and dumped it all here,
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Speaker 3: and for some reason, it went from being about class
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Speaker 3: issues to everything is a class issue. Race is a
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Speaker 3: class issue, Sex is a class issue. Religion is a
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Speaker 3: class issue. If you're chewing gum loses the flavor on
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Speaker 3: the bedpost overnight, it's a class issue. And that's cultural
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Speaker 3: Marxism in a nutshell. So when you hear discussion about
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Speaker 3: the progressive stack, when you hear discussion about victim narratives
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Speaker 3: that involve past depression and past privilege, and the the
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Speaker 3: idea that current circumstances of people are affected by that
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Speaker 3: and they deserve some sort of recourse or reparations or
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Speaker 3: need special treatment under the law, and other people deserve
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Speaker 3: special punishment under the law. That's all intertwined with intersexual feminism.
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Speaker 3: They just sort of melted that all together and made
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Speaker 3: one big gay ass statue out of it. Fake and gay.
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Speaker 3: The whole thing is fake and gay, but it's very
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Speaker 3: very lucrative, incredibly lucrative. And so what I just showed
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Speaker 3: you a moment ago was and again this was just
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Speaker 3: under the topic of school of sexual assault prevention. There
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Speaker 3: are other companies that come up in the search for
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Speaker 3: sexual harassment prevention like this one, that don't come up
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Speaker 3: under the search for sexual assault prevention. And if you
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Speaker 3: search other aspects of sexual misconduct, if you go directly
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Speaker 3: to rape prevention, or if you search more space terms
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Speaker 3: in there, like specific subtypes of sexual assault and things
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Speaker 3: like that. We've gone through and looked at companies that
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Speaker 3: came up because we searched masculinity, for instance, and even
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Speaker 3: some of them even came up with toxic masculinity. So
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Speaker 3: all of that has been very, very lucrative, and it's
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Speaker 3: not all from the Department of Defense. They got feminists
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Speaker 3: have gotten USAID money, us AIDS, the Humanitarian Initiative veil
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Speaker 3: infection that results in us AIDS. But they've also gotten
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Speaker 3: money from the Agricultural Department, believe it or not, from
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Speaker 3: Health and Human Services Department, from Homeland Security, from the
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Speaker 3: Justice Department. They got a shit ton of money from
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Speaker 3: the Justice Department. But now we're looking at the Department
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Speaker 3: of Defense because there was this hue and cry that
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Speaker 3: removing DEI policy from the military would end the military's
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Speaker 3: rape prevention programs. So of course we had to figure
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Speaker 3: out what does that have to do with DEI Because
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Speaker 3: rape is something that can happen to anybody, and it's
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Speaker 3: something that either sex can do, So there shouldn't be
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Speaker 3: like any need for DEI in a policy. For that,
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Speaker 3: it's just about boundaries and not violating them and consent
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Speaker 3: and making sure you have it. So why would they
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Speaker 3: need DEI. As we found last week, it's because it's
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Speaker 3: an opportunity to talk about your pronouns and it's an
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Speaker 3: opportunity to make five thousand dollars or video that is
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Speaker 3: just somebody standing up against the background and talking without
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Speaker 3: any special editing or graphics or anything being added to
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Speaker 3: the video. So over the years, Company we En Violence
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Speaker 3: LLC has made different amounts different years. You know, there's
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Speaker 3: some of it's been small potatoes, but then in twenty
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Speaker 3: eighteen they got twenty k and then you know it
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Speaker 3: like drops back down to to seven five hundred and
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty. We haven't seen anything. They haven't done anything
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Speaker 3: in the last few years. So this is one of
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Speaker 3: those companies that had contracts in different years for different things.
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Speaker 3: The contract I had to open here. The description is
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Speaker 3: this order provides sexual harassment training support for the whatever
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Speaker 3: that designation is Sexual Assault Prevention and Response Office. And
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Speaker 3: so I thought, well, what exactly is that that they're
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Speaker 3: getting these awards for. And I'm looking and again this
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Speaker 3: is They've had several this is all we End Violence Elsie,
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Speaker 3: and each one it's it's very similar to Catharsis like
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Speaker 3: we looked at before. It's just little pinnety charges here
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Speaker 3: ranging between twenty five hundred and seventy five hundred, except
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Speaker 3: for that one that was twenty thousand. Probably was a
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Speaker 3: combination of charge is in here and it's different trainings,
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Speaker 3: sexual harassment prevention, sexual harassment support for the SAPR office
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Speaker 3: Sexual Violence Prevention training, guest speaker, more training, more training
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Speaker 3: and presentation of together. How does that come out of there?
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Speaker 3: Let's see if I can move that a little bit. Together,
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Speaker 3: we can sexual assault prevention. So I thought, well, now
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Speaker 3: I got to look at their company page. What do
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Speaker 3: they look like as a company, What do they present
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Speaker 3: to the public in terms of their services? And so
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Speaker 3: I went to this. This is their main page. Here
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Speaker 3: we end violence and as you can see, there's a
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Speaker 3: video somebody giving a prevention or some sort of prevention training.
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Speaker 3: I think that's actually slides because it's got I can
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Speaker 3: and there's numbers here. Yeah, this is all slides of
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Speaker 3: somebody talking, people talking, and so it doesn't really give
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Speaker 3: you a whole lot of you don't really. I find
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Speaker 3: the word consent there, so okay, gives you an idea
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Speaker 3: of what they do. They may there may be a
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Speaker 3: little more justification for some of the expenditures here, because
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Speaker 3: if they're traveling to military bases from a location, well
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Speaker 3: then there's at least travel expenses involved there, right, And
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Speaker 3: then I get into looking at what they have. There's
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Speaker 3: here we have lectures and workshops and training, two different pages,
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Speaker 3: so I thought, oops, I've pulled that off the there
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Speaker 3: we go, so that we could look at their little
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Speaker 3: blurbs about this, and the first one that comes up
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Speaker 3: is together we can sexual violence, gender and responsibility. And immediately,
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Speaker 3: what do we have here topics sexual violence? Duh, that's
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Speaker 3: what it says in the title socialization language language, gender performance,
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Speaker 3: social change, responsibility to self in community. So what is
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Speaker 3: this about? Here is where the DEI sits language will
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Speaker 3: be about pronouns and will be about the way that
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Speaker 3: you talk to people, the way that you different terms
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Speaker 3: that you use when you're discussing these issues and so on.
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Speaker 3: Gender performance is the feminist term for being feminine if
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Speaker 3: you're female, or being masculine if you're male, and they
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Speaker 3: refer to that as a performance, something that you do
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Speaker 3: by choice and not your real personality. And so they
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Speaker 3: would differentiate between say, I don't according to feminists, I
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Speaker 3: don't properly perform femininity because I don't wear makeup, I
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Speaker 3: don't style my hair a I throw it up in
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Speaker 3: a bun sometimes when I'm working. I don't run around
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Speaker 3: in girly outfits all the time. But I am female,
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Speaker 3: was born female, had a baby, I'm a grandma, and
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Speaker 3: I've never identified as any other sex, never had gender dysphoria,
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Speaker 3: never experienced have been close to people who have experienced it,
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Speaker 3: but it's not been my experience. Right, surely you have.
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Speaker 1: Those options, like a woman can still be female without
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Speaker 1: wearing makeuple, doing any of the oppressive, objectifying things that
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Speaker 1: have been pushed upon women by the patriarchy ever since
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Speaker 1: the beginning of time. If a man wears makeup, he
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Speaker 1: should be applauded because he's not being masculine. If a
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Speaker 1: man dresses as a woman would traditionally dress, he gets points.
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Speaker 1: But a woman can either wear makeup or not we
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Speaker 1: wear makeup. She can either wear trousers or not wear trousers.
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Speaker 1: It's I mean, it's on.
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Speaker 3: Which feminists you talk to these days. Like back in
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Speaker 3: the day when I was growing up, I would have
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Speaker 3: been like they would have thought I was uber feminist,
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Speaker 3: you know, because of that I'm not. And you know
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Speaker 3: today I get lambasted by younger feminist girls who think
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Speaker 3: that being ultra feminine makes them feminist, which is funny
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Speaker 3: because the original meaning for the term feminism was just
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Speaker 3: a synonym of femininity before Fourier changed it to mean
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Speaker 3: the political movement, like he started using it that way,
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Speaker 3: and then it became the thing that that that's how
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Speaker 3: it got used after that. But if you look in
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Speaker 3: dictionaries from before his time, the term is just a
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Speaker 3: synonym of femininity and it doesn't have any political meaning
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Speaker 3: at all.
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Speaker 1: What it sort of comes down to is largely it's
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Speaker 1: largely narcissism. It's wearing makeup and wearing revealing clothing specifically
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Speaker 1: for attention is narcissism. And that's what men are praised
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Speaker 1: for because it's interpreted as feminine. But it's not as
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Speaker 1: simple as that, because women are still considered feminine whether
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Speaker 1: they do these things or not, because they are that
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Speaker 1: they're not already damned by the original sin of being male.
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Speaker 1: If males present narcissistically, then they are praised for being
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Speaker 1: feminine because implicitly that is considered feminine. But women can
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Speaker 1: be as narcissistic or as autistic as they like, and
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Speaker 1: it's and they're still considered feminine as long as they
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Speaker 1: don't advocate for men's rights, because that's autistic, you know,
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Speaker 1: that's unacceptably non feminine. That's it. That seems to be
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Speaker 1: the the Lynchpin the point of gravity. If you just
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Speaker 1: go along with the narrative, and or you draw attention
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Speaker 1: to yourself in pursuit of going along with the narrative,
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Speaker 1: then that's good. We call it feminine. But that's that's
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Speaker 1: what they mean by by feminine. And if you are
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Speaker 1: male in any way, that that comes across esthetically or
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Speaker 1: peripherally as male, i e. If you don't give a
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Speaker 1: shit about aesthetics or attention seeking, and in any way
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Speaker 1: if you advocate the men's rights, then you are not
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Speaker 1: acceptably feminine. It's it's horribly complicated because, as I've often said,
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Speaker 1: our entire civilization has been dominated and conquered by female narcissists.
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Speaker 1: I guess I don't know what came first, the narcissism
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Speaker 1: or the or the or the Feminismism.
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Speaker 3: Goes back to twelfth century. Feminism as a named political
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Speaker 3: movement only goes back to seventeen or eighteen hundreds, But
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Speaker 3: the behavior of women agitating for social and cultural change
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Speaker 3: on the basis of being disadvantaged basically by their legal status,
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Speaker 3: that has a longer history. Some of it was just
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Speaker 3: social change taking place because and we've visited this in
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Speaker 3: other shows, but you had, you know, the cultural evolution
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Speaker 3: of gender roles and how labor was divided, and what
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Speaker 3: legal rights people had, and what legal obligations and responsibilities
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Speaker 3: and expectations people faced. That all revolved around the agricultural revolution,
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Speaker 3: industrial revolution, wars between nations, migration of humans to various nations,
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Speaker 3: and so on. So you had this whole series of
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Speaker 3: changes that is taking place. And initially a lot of
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Speaker 3: Western culture was centered around men being the shield. As
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Speaker 3: we evolved the concept of having a government and there
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Speaker 3: being a nation in a state that men were the
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Speaker 3: shield between the rest of the family and the government,
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Speaker 3: that it was government in authority over the people, and
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Speaker 3: government had responsibility to the people and the family spokesperson
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Speaker 3: and also the family scapegoat, the family obligor was the man,
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Speaker 3: and so as the spokesperson, escapegoat and the obligor, he
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Speaker 3: had a set of rights that were unique to his position.
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Speaker 3: And as things changed through our culture and life became
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Speaker 3: safer and easier, more standardized in a way, experience became
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Speaker 3: more standardized, and so on. Then you had, you know,
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Speaker 3: women start stepping up and going, well, we want the
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Speaker 3: same rights that the obligor has, but we don't want
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Speaker 3: the obligations. And we you know, we want the same
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Speaker 3: rights that the scapegoat has, but we don't want the
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Speaker 3: same blame.
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Speaker 1: We don't want, we don't want to, and we don't
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Speaker 1: want to achieve it through hard work and graft, a
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Speaker 1: largely because it's difficult to express these things other than
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Speaker 1: through evidence of our hard work and graft. And so
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Speaker 1: what we do is present ourselves as victims to show
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Speaker 1: that we deserve these things because we look like victims.
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Speaker 1: And unfortunately a lot of men have adopted this idea
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Speaker 1: that maybe we can look like vulnerable victims as well,
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Speaker 1: and therefore we deserve those rights. Whereas if anything, if anything,
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Speaker 1: should give you rights, it's it's the hard graft. It's
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Speaker 1: the work you put in the stuff. And I was
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Speaker 1: saying just now, simply showing a picture of a man
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Speaker 1: drafting quote unquote like a woman wearing makeup and revealing clothing,
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Speaker 1: but particularly an old, old ugly man. Showing a picture
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Speaker 1: of an old ugly man dressed in revealing clothing and makeup,
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Speaker 1: you can just show the picture and go look at
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Speaker 1: this ridiculous person, like, how can you take this person services?
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Speaker 1: You don't even need to listen to them talking. You
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Speaker 1: don't even need to listen to anything they say or
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Speaker 1: attain any of their beliefs. You can just show an
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Speaker 1: old ugly man dressed like a young pretty woman. I say,
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Speaker 1: dressed like a young pretty woman, but dressed like I
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Speaker 1: like young pretty women tend to dress. And they go, look,
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Speaker 1: look at this ridiculous person. And I'm like, yes, but
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Speaker 1: do we not have to conclude that it's just as
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Speaker 1: pathetic when women do it. When women wear makeup and
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Speaker 1: revealing clothing. A lot of people will go, no, it's
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Speaker 1: fine when women do it, And I'm like, why why
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Speaker 1: is it fine when women do it? Well, because we
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Speaker 1: like the way women look, okay, but why why why?
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Speaker 1: I refer you back to ancient Greece when it was
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Speaker 1: men who wore the mini skirts and it was women
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Speaker 1: who wore them the long flowing dresses. Like I know,
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Speaker 1: it seems like perfectly normal, that's it's women who were
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Speaker 1: the revealing things. But it's actually not. It's just been normalized.
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Speaker 1: And maybe if we're going to find men ridiculous, particularly
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Speaker 1: old ugly men, for adorning themselves with these with this
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Speaker 1: narcissistic attire, maybe we should also conclude that women are
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Speaker 1: equally pathetic for doing this. It's no more normal for them.
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Speaker 1: It's just that narcissism has been normalized in women, and
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Speaker 1: you know, that's really difficult for people to to sort
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Speaker 1: of come to terms with because it's become so normalized.
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Speaker 1: But well, what it's going to take.
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Speaker 3: I think that's why issues that are traditionally thought of
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Speaker 3: as women's issues, even though intimate partner and sexual violence
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Speaker 3: are perpetrated by both sexes and experienced by both sexes,
28:51
Speaker 3: they have been traditionally thought of as women's issues. Those
28:54
Speaker 3: seem to have been the vehicle to sort of slide
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Speaker 3: this DEI shit into military training, and it's it's one
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Speaker 3: thing for the military, like the militaries had to address,
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Speaker 3: just like universities have had to address, you know, any
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Speaker 3: place where there are young adults, people who are getting
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Speaker 3: out of the public education system and going on with
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Speaker 3: whatever it is they're doing in their lives. I have
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Speaker 3: to deal with, you know, among like the eighteen nineteen
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Speaker 3: twenty year olds, that hazing is a problem, and it's
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Speaker 3: always been a problem, you know, and it's not always
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Speaker 3: as innocent looking as the paddling, and I think it
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Speaker 3: was animal house. Thank you, sir, May I have another?
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Speaker 3: You know, the guy has to say that every time
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Speaker 3: he gets hit with the paddle. Sometimes it has been
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Speaker 3: really dumb. I think I mentioned in the previous show.
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Speaker 3: We had a dumb one that they did at my
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Speaker 3: university when I was in school, and this was back
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Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety two. One of my friends got engaged
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Speaker 3: and they had two different ways of hazing people for
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Speaker 3: getting engaged. The guys were thrown into a basically a
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Speaker 3: mud pit. The university had a little wooded area and
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Speaker 3: there was a little creek, and there was an area
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Speaker 3: where there was run off from the creek that made
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Speaker 3: sort of a little wet area that I don't know.
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Speaker 3: People used to call it part of the creek, but
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Speaker 3: it was like a little two or three inch deep.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes it would be as deep as a foot if
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Speaker 3: if there was a lot of area in the woods,
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Speaker 3: which you don't want to throw somebody into that because
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Speaker 3: you can't see what's on the bottom. But they did,
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Speaker 3: and then the I think they even called it a swamp.
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Speaker 3: The Gallas didn't do something like that because that's messy
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Speaker 3: and nasty and gross, right, so they would fill a
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Speaker 3: bathtub there was a bathtub on the fourth floor of
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Speaker 3: one of the dorms, and they'd fill it with ice
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Speaker 3: water and throw it in. And my roommate and I
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Speaker 3: had a fit about this. You cannot just throw somebody
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Speaker 3: into a tub of ice water by surprise like that.
30:48
Speaker 3: You can cause somebody to actually have a heart attack
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Speaker 3: doing that, especially if they have some sort of flaw
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Speaker 3: in their heart. But so we like, we couldn't stop
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Speaker 3: them physically. We found out as it was half so
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Speaker 3: there was no going to an authority and saying, hey,
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Speaker 3: they're going to do this, stop them. But fortunately, you know,
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Speaker 3: my roommate was an EMT, and so she went rushing
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Speaker 3: up there and made sure the girl was okay and
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Speaker 3: then gave everybody what for over it in no uncertain terms.
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Speaker 3: And I don't think that our group did anything like
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Speaker 3: that again. I left for another school because I couldn't
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Speaker 3: get the major that I wanted at the university I
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Speaker 3: was at. I changed majors at that point. That's you know,
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Speaker 3: hazing does take place in weird ways. Sometimes it can
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Speaker 3: be really really inappropriate and really get out of hand,
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Speaker 3: and people do stupid things. Talk somebody into drinking way
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Speaker 3: too much, and they develop the level of alcohol poison
31:44
Speaker 3: Being drunk is an early stage of alcohol poisoning, but
31:48
Speaker 3: when you get to the later stages, you start to
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Speaker 3: show symptoms of irreversible damage or damage that's currently life
31:56
Speaker 3: threatening as it's happening, and things like that. You know,
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Speaker 3: those those kinds of things happen in the military, just
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Speaker 3: like they happen at universities and on job sites and
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Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff. And so the military had
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Speaker 3: they were gonna have to deal with that and a
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Speaker 3: lot of like male on male sexual misconduct in the military.
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Speaker 3: When you look into the incidents, from what's been explained
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Speaker 3: to me by people in the military and from what
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Speaker 3: I've been able to find documented that is public is hazing,
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Speaker 3: not the usual like what you would get complaints from
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Speaker 3: women about normally, where there's there's pressure and force used
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Speaker 3: and so on to get a sexual result just for
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Speaker 3: sexual pleasure or domination or meanness. It's between guys. A
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Speaker 3: lot of times like that does happen. It's not it's
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Speaker 3: not a zero, right, but among guys, the majority is
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Speaker 3: more hazing that's gotten out of hand or that's hidden
32:51
Speaker 3: inappropriate area of behavior. But I look at this like
32:55
Speaker 3: this together we can thing right. They could do a
32:58
Speaker 3: topic like this and teach people that don't understand how
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Speaker 3: to navigate boundaries, interpersonal boundaries, or they're socially awkward or whatever.
33:06
Speaker 3: They could teach them everything they need to know to
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Speaker 3: protect themselves from from being sexually assaulted or sexually here asked,
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Speaker 3: and also to be sure that they're not engaging in
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Speaker 3: any kind of sexual misconduct themselves, that everything that they
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Speaker 3: do comes across the way they intend for it too,
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Speaker 3: and not they're not doing something that they thought was
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Speaker 3: okay that isn't right. They could do all of that
33:33
Speaker 3: without talking about pronouns and without talking about gender identity
33:37
Speaker 3: or gender performance. None of that is necessary. All you
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Speaker 3: have to talk about is bodily autonomy, the right to
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Speaker 3: self determination, and recognizing that other people have boundaries that
33:48
Speaker 3: you have to navigate as well on different comfort levels
33:51
Speaker 3: and stuff. None of that requires DEI. The thing that
33:54
Speaker 3: really struck me on this page though, was the second one. Right, so,
33:59
Speaker 3: and this is an a how to put this. DEI
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Speaker 3: is a sort of branching off of the feminist victim narrative,
34:07
Speaker 3: and it's also the feminist victim narratives is sort of
34:09
Speaker 3: branching off of DEI. Both of them have the same
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Speaker 3: idea that there is a background of an oppressor class
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Speaker 3: and an oppressed class, and both of them have the
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Speaker 3: same idea that whenever there is a violation of human
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Speaker 3: rights or a crime committed between two people the person
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Speaker 3: who committed the crime, how culpable they are depends on
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Speaker 3: how close to the oppressor class they are versus how
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Speaker 3: close to the victim class they are, and the victim
34:38
Speaker 3: how much compassion they deserve depends on how close to
34:41
Speaker 3: the victim class they are versus how close to the
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Speaker 3: oppressor class they are. So if you have somebody who
34:46
Speaker 3: is a victim of a crime and the victim class
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Speaker 3: perpetrated the crime, a member of the victim class perpetrated
34:53
Speaker 3: the crime against the victim who is a member of
34:56
Speaker 3: the oppressor class, feminists and proponents of d EI will
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Speaker 3: have more compassion for the perpetrator and less compassion for
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Speaker 3: the victim. And it makes no sense, but it is
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Speaker 3: how they behave. And at the same time, they'll translate
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Speaker 3: or generalize perpetration by members of the oppressor class across
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Speaker 3: the presser class, whereas they'll treat perpetration by members of
35:23
Speaker 3: the victim class as individual flukes because they're the victim
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Speaker 3: class and that's what they do with men and women.
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Speaker 3: So we have the idea of rape being a strictly
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Speaker 3: male perpetrated thing is it's mostly based on if you
35:36
Speaker 3: don't arrest people for a crime when they commit it,
35:40
Speaker 3: they don't get into the statistics. If you don't treat
35:43
Speaker 3: the crime as the same crime when a particular group
35:46
Speaker 3: of people commits it, they don't get into the statistics.
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Speaker 3: So historically the rape was defined as something men did
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Speaker 3: to women, and when women did the same thing, say
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Speaker 3: forced coitus or performing fullatio on some guy when he's
35:58
Speaker 3: passed out drunk and and you didn't get his consent,
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Speaker 3: those instances are not counted in statistics. So feminists will
36:06
Speaker 3: look at those statistics that don't count instances of perpetration
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Speaker 3: by women and they'll say, well, see, these statistics show
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Speaker 3: that rape is ninety five percent male perpetrated, and that's that.
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Speaker 3: Then when you start talking about, well here are studies
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Speaker 3: that show that women admit to doing these things, well
36:24
Speaker 3: it's not the same because they're part of the victim class,
36:27
Speaker 3: and so they end up never acknowledging that these crimes
36:30
Speaker 3: can happen to men. They do happen to men. Women
36:33
Speaker 3: can do them, and women do perpetrate, and they perpetrate
36:38
Speaker 3: in much larger numbers than people realize. Men often don't
36:41
Speaker 3: report because they don't get taken seriously because they are
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Speaker 3: part of the oppressor class according to the Dei narrative,
36:48
Speaker 3: the feminist Dei narrative. So of course then they don't
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Speaker 3: get any recourse. The statistics continue to falsify the actual
36:56
Speaker 3: rates of perpetration, and the problem never gets solved. Then
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Speaker 3: we have this class men against rape off the bench
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Speaker 3: and into the game, which makes it sound like this
37:06
Speaker 3: really you know, there's a bro class, right, you're gonna
37:09
Speaker 3: we're gonna talk between bros about this rape. Shit. You
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Speaker 3: can't be raping to women's topics include sexual violence, masculinity,
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Speaker 3: male responsibility, bystanders, creating dialogues between men, and activism, and
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Speaker 3: so what is the paragraph here? Sexual violence is primarily
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Speaker 3: perpetrated by men, but most men are not actively engaged
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Speaker 3: in ending it. This lecture helps men understand the causes
37:33
Speaker 3: of sexual violence and their crucial role in its prevention.
37:37
Speaker 3: This lecture is particularly valuable for helping men find ways
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Speaker 3: to engage in productive and satisfying dialogues with other men.
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Speaker 1: Men are most definitely actively engaged in preventing it the
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Speaker 1: moment they see it, for instance, on the street, that
37:52
Speaker 1: all manner of experiments have been performed, experiments that will
37:56
Speaker 1: be called pranks nowadays. It was that when a man
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Speaker 1: assaults a women and in any way in a public space,
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Speaker 1: every man within other miles radius will come to her aid.
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Speaker 1: The same cannot be said for when a woman assaults
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Speaker 1: a man in any way. In fact, the majority of
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Speaker 1: the women and the men in the vicinity will be like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: good for her. He must have done something to deserve it.
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Speaker 3: Yep. Well, and if you look at what of men
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Speaker 3: historically throughout history, what have they done to prevent rape?
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Speaker 3: So let's start with the fact that even before the
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Speaker 3: thirteenth century, rape was a crime. Okay, it was in
38:36
Speaker 3: English common law. It was a crime to the degree
38:41
Speaker 3: that there was even an age of consent where you know,
38:44
Speaker 3: you had forcible rape as a crime, and then you
38:47
Speaker 3: also had it acknowledged that there was a point at
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Speaker 3: which a girl is too young to consent, and the
38:54
Speaker 3: crime was listed in various ways, various various times in
38:59
Speaker 3: a variety of ways of saying colnal knowledge of a
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Speaker 3: woman against her will. In other words, any sexual assault
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Speaker 3: on a woman was considered rape. Whether it was coitus,
39:09
Speaker 3: whether it was forcing her to perform fillatio, whether it
39:12
Speaker 3: was forcing conlingus on her anal sex. Anything you did
39:16
Speaker 3: to her was considered rape. It would. There were points
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Speaker 3: in history during which it was a death penalty offense
39:22
Speaker 3: to rape a woman. In England, under English common law
39:25
Speaker 3: there was no such equivalent. If a woman tried to
39:29
Speaker 3: rape a man or a boy, the community might rise
39:33
Speaker 3: up against her, but there wasn't a law. There wasn't
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Speaker 3: some sort of designation, and it wasn't under rape law.
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Speaker 3: And to this day today, right now, this very minute,
39:44
Speaker 3: in England, if a woman forces coitus on a man
39:47
Speaker 3: or a boy, or forcibly or taking advantage of a
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Speaker 3: state of incapacitation, a performs filatio on him, or uses
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Speaker 3: him for conlingus against his will or without his consent,
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Speaker 3: she cannot be convicted of rape. Even if she penetrates
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Speaker 3: a guy with a device or her fingers, she cannot
40:08
Speaker 3: be convicted of rape because the law specifies only when
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Speaker 3: a penis is used is it rape.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've lost count of how many British people have
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Speaker 1: told me when I get into this argument, did you
40:20
Speaker 1: know until nineteen ninety three wasn't a crime for a
40:24
Speaker 1: man to rape his wife? And I have to hold
40:27
Speaker 1: my head in my hands and sigh, fucking breathe in
40:31
Speaker 1: and out for a while before I say, do you
40:33
Speaker 1: know to this day it is not a crime for
40:37
Speaker 1: a woman to rape her husband or any man, or
40:41
Speaker 1: any child. It is not a crime for a woman
40:45
Speaker 1: to rape anyone. It is not on the books as
40:48
Speaker 1: a crime that's not on the pecial assault is that
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Speaker 1: the worst with which she can be charged?
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Speaker 5: But I mean, for crying out lot, you just defined,
40:58
Speaker 5: you know, what is a you know, you just put
41:02
Speaker 5: it on the books now, you know.
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Speaker 4: And it's still backwards that you have these laws that say.
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Speaker 5: That women can't rape men, but you didn't even define
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Speaker 5: what a fucking woman is until twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 3: Well, and then the other thing is feminists will say that,
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Speaker 3: they'll say, oh, but until nineteen ninety three it wasn't
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Speaker 3: a crime for a man a rapis Well, it was
41:23
Speaker 3: a crime, it was not labeled rape. But when you
41:27
Speaker 3: point out that, when you know it in twenty twenty five,
41:33
Speaker 3: it is not labeled rape when a woman does it
41:36
Speaker 3: to a man in the UK, well, it's still a crime,
41:40
Speaker 3: all right. If a man forced himself on his wife
41:44
Speaker 3: in any state in the Union, which is where they
41:47
Speaker 3: talk about this, because they're citing a Michigan law that
41:51
Speaker 3: created a designation for marital rape, was still battery. It
41:55
Speaker 3: was still considered wife beating. If she came into the
41:58
Speaker 3: police station with brite uses and said my husband raped me,
42:02
Speaker 3: they might not charge him with rape, but they would
42:04
Speaker 3: still charge him with wife beating because she came in
42:07
Speaker 3: with bruises and so she still had recourse. But you know,
42:12
Speaker 3: a guy who is assaulted in the UK, he doesn't
42:16
Speaker 3: have the same recourse as a woman who is equally assaulted.
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Speaker 3: And there are several other countries where this is the case.
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Speaker 3: In India you can't charge a woman with rape, and
42:25
Speaker 3: I believe in Israel you can't charge a woman with rape.
42:28
Speaker 3: A woman can be charged with other sexual offenses in
42:31
Speaker 3: those countries, but the word rape is not used. And
42:35
Speaker 3: if people argue that it's not a big deal because
42:39
Speaker 3: the designation doesn't matter, it doesn't have to have that label,
42:42
Speaker 3: well then fine, let's take the label off the books
42:44
Speaker 3: and make all sexual offenses that involve penetration or potential
42:51
Speaker 3: reproductive actions just call them sexual assault and give them
42:54
Speaker 3: all the same penalty. Well, then women get upset. No,
42:56
Speaker 3: we want it to be called rape because we want
42:59
Speaker 3: the stigma to follow the rapist for the rest of
43:01
Speaker 3: his life. But they don't want that to happen to women, right.
43:04
Speaker 1: And none of this is to say that if you
43:06
Speaker 1: do live in a state or a country where a
43:08
Speaker 1: woman can be charged with rape, that doesn't mean that
43:12
Speaker 1: you're able to attain justice because it's still you know,
43:16
Speaker 1: it's up to the to the judge and all the
43:19
Speaker 1: jury to define this. And if you think you're going
43:22
Speaker 1: to get equal treatment as a man, you're fucking dreaming.
43:25
Speaker 1: It's still up to the court of public opinion. I mean,
43:28
Speaker 1: it ought to be up to the court of the
43:30
Speaker 1: actual court, but that court is still you know, under
43:34
Speaker 1: the general jurisdiction of the court of public opinion. And
43:37
Speaker 1: if they don't think that this woman raped you, all
43:39
Speaker 1: that happened was unwanted penetration, then that's all that happened. So,
43:45
Speaker 1: you know, changing the law is only the first step
43:49
Speaker 1: in actually getting justice for men and indeed boys who
43:53
Speaker 1: were absolutely raped by women in all manner of circumstances,
43:59
Speaker 1: especially the boys who were raped by women, because because
44:04
Speaker 1: how are they going to make their case in court,
44:07
Speaker 1: particularly the particularly the boys, How are they going to
44:09
Speaker 1: make their case in court in a way that any
44:12
Speaker 1: given judge is going to actually listen to them. I
44:15
Speaker 1: don't even want to get into it, because it's it's
44:18
Speaker 1: a line of argument to make, but you know, you
44:21
Speaker 1: know what.
44:21
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Well, it's it's what happens is you get
44:24
Speaker 3: this vicious circle, right, do you have? The law doesn't
44:28
Speaker 3: treat the crime the same when a woman perpetrates it
44:31
Speaker 3: as when a man perpetrates it. The training for people
44:35
Speaker 3: who are enforcing the law or working in the judicial
44:39
Speaker 3: system then also doesn't treat the crime as the same
44:44
Speaker 3: crime when a woman does it as when a man
44:46
Speaker 3: does it. And this is the same in the military.
44:49
Speaker 3: And you can see in this training many against rape
44:51
Speaker 3: and up masculinity and popular popular culture. You don't see
44:54
Speaker 3: anything about female sexual assault, right, even though per capita
45:00
Speaker 3: women are actually engaging in in pretty pretty close perpetration
45:07
Speaker 3: out in the rest of like outside of the military,
45:10
Speaker 3: there's more statistics that indicate that women may even perpetrate
45:14
Speaker 3: more frequently, especially when it comes to like the before
45:19
Speaker 3: you hit the level of sexual penetration and stuff like that,
45:22
Speaker 3: women engage in significantly more harassing behaviors and pressuring behaviors
45:27
Speaker 3: and stuff like that.
45:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, women should be concerned about this too, by the way,
45:33
Speaker 1: because particularly in the UK, there's no such thing as
45:37
Speaker 1: a woman raping a woman. Yeah, like, no matter what
45:40
Speaker 1: a woman does to them. And we know what, well,
45:43
Speaker 1: we have some inclination as to what, let's be in
45:46
Speaker 1: relationships are like. According to the available statistics, they're far
45:50
Speaker 1: more violent even than heterosexual relationships, never mind sexual mayle relationships.
45:57
Speaker 1: As far as the statistics bear out there, they are
45:59
Speaker 1: the most violent relationships we know about. And that's just
46:02
Speaker 1: in terms of fucking punching each other or attacking. It's
46:06
Speaker 1: usually one one person attacking the other. And you have
46:09
Speaker 1: to wonder they have a You have to wonder how
46:13
Speaker 1: many lesbian relationships involve rape. But it doesn't get cold
46:18
Speaker 1: rape because it's not recognized as a crime in in
46:23
Speaker 1: whatever country or state you happen to live in. So
46:26
Speaker 1: we don't even have the necessary statistics as to how
46:29
Speaker 1: much rape goes on in lesbian relationships because our government
46:33
Speaker 1: doesn't call it rape. They do one day so we
46:36
Speaker 1: can get hold of some semblant, you know, sapient statistics.
46:41
Speaker 3: When the government does research on this, like the NISUS,
46:45
Speaker 3: they lump rape violence and stalking in partner violence is
46:49
Speaker 3: stalking all in together when they do gay and lesbian relationships,
46:53
Speaker 3: And I part of it is because the sample size
46:56
Speaker 3: is much smaller than the hetero sample size. For obvious reasons,
47:00
Speaker 3: the population of people who identify as not heterosexual as
47:05
Speaker 3: much smaller than the population of people who do identify
47:08
Speaker 3: as heterosexual. Historically, if your sexuality doesn't include actions that
47:14
Speaker 3: are going to lead to reproduction, it's more likely that
47:17
Speaker 3: you're going to be in the smaller population than the
47:20
Speaker 3: bigger population. So I mean that makes sense, right, But
47:23
Speaker 3: it does make it difficult to assess those statistics. And
47:27
Speaker 3: when I asked for those statistics back when I was
47:29
Speaker 3: looking into the NISS twenty ten numbers and I think
47:33
Speaker 3: the twenty twelve numbers, they really had a rough time
47:36
Speaker 3: providing me anything. And when they did, they tried to
47:39
Speaker 3: tell me how to use them, what I could and
47:41
Speaker 3: couldn't do with them. They made me take a phone call.
47:45
Speaker 3: I got these numbers, like, we won't release these to
47:48
Speaker 3: you until after you have this discussion on the phone.
47:51
Speaker 3: So I asked them some questions because the National Linement
47:55
Speaker 3: Partner in Sexual Violence Survey the NISS that they use
48:00
Speaker 3: a definition of rape that excludes female perpetration against male victims. Specifically,
48:06
Speaker 3: they define rape as being forcibly penetrated, but they define
48:11
Speaker 3: being forced to penetrate or forcibly enveloped. They called it
48:15
Speaker 3: forced to penetrate as other sexual offense, so they didn't
48:18
Speaker 3: define that as rape. So all the men and boys
48:21
Speaker 3: who reported being having coite as forcibly performed on them
48:27
Speaker 3: by a female perpetrator, their experience didn't count in the
48:31
Speaker 3: rape statistics. So when you see that one in thirty
48:34
Speaker 3: three number that they promote from the NISVS, that's the
48:39
Speaker 3: men and boys who reported having been penetrated in the
48:43
Speaker 3: course of a sexual assault, which basically either means forced
48:47
Speaker 3: somebody forcibly inserted something into their mouth or into their anus,
48:52
Speaker 3: hopefully not anywhere else, but in any case, I asked
48:56
Speaker 3: why they excluded being forced to penetrate from the definition,
49:00
Speaker 3: and there's a recording of that phone call trying to
49:04
Speaker 3: remember the name of our video on that this would
49:07
Speaker 3: this is an old video, and I don't think it's
49:09
Speaker 3: on our channel. I think it's on Alice's Alison's channel.
49:14
Speaker 3: It's like men's men's rights versus feminist rape culture. I'm
49:18
Speaker 3: gonna find it. I think it's explained using puzzle pieces.
49:21
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's men's rights versus feminist rape culture explained
49:25
Speaker 3: using puzzle pieces. And it's on Alison Teeman's YouTube channel,
49:29
Speaker 3: and it is from eleven years ago, so this this
49:32
Speaker 3: happened a while ago, that we've been doing this for
49:35
Speaker 3: a while. Keep telling you guys that. And halfway through
49:37
Speaker 3: the video, like she does a whole thing demonstrating the
49:41
Speaker 3: ridiculousness of calling it rape when one sex does it,
49:45
Speaker 3: but not when the other sex does it using puzzle pieces.
49:48
Speaker 3: And then at the end of it, she played that
49:52
Speaker 3: part of that phone call because I let her listen
49:55
Speaker 3: to it, and the two of us were talking about
49:57
Speaker 3: just how insane it was. They did not know why
50:01
Speaker 3: they used that definition. The researchers responsible for gathering the
50:07
Speaker 3: statistics upon which, like all legislation, future legislation and policy
50:13
Speaker 3: in the federal government regarding intimate partner and sexual violence
50:17
Speaker 3: would be informed. Did not know why they were using
50:21
Speaker 3: the definition that they were using. You have to think
50:23
Speaker 3: about that for a minute. They didn't understand the research
50:28
Speaker 3: they were doing, and they didn't understand what statistics they
50:31
Speaker 3: were gathering.
50:32
Speaker 1: Following the science.
50:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, just what on earth and how much are they
50:38
Speaker 3: they getting paid to do that? That's and and that
50:40
Speaker 3: is that is what we're dealing with in this type
50:43
Speaker 3: of funding. But yeah, with regard to lesbian violence and everything,
50:47
Speaker 3: being assaulted by another woman could be traumatic in ways
50:50
Speaker 3: that are very different from being assaulted by a man.
50:54
Speaker 3: Part of it is, you know, you think you have
50:56
Speaker 3: some equality of capability against a person who is the
51:00
Speaker 3: same sex as you are, but a person generally doesn't
51:04
Speaker 3: attack you unless they think they're going to win. My
51:07
Speaker 3: female attacker was I had been sick. We were twelve,
51:11
Speaker 3: and I had been recovering from an illness from a mosquito.
51:15
Speaker 3: By it, I had encephalitis and was in the hospital
51:17
Speaker 3: almost died from it. And actually there was one other kid.
51:21
Speaker 3: There were eleven cases of it in my county that year,
51:25
Speaker 3: and there was one other kid and that kid did die.
51:27
Speaker 3: So this was really I had gotten down low enough
51:32
Speaker 3: in body weight that my doctor was concerned and put
51:35
Speaker 3: me on a weight gain diet as a preteen, which
51:38
Speaker 3: is not a normal kind of experience right as a preteen.
51:42
Speaker 3: So I was physically beaten down and overpowered, which is
51:46
Speaker 3: what people think happens when a male perpetrator does it,
51:49
Speaker 3: and sometimes that's the case. But you know, I had
51:54
Speaker 3: two different instances of male perpetrators, and one of them
51:59
Speaker 3: was a molester, and the other instance they used a gun.
52:03
Speaker 3: They didn't they weren't messing around, And honestly, the most
52:06
Speaker 3: traumatic part of that was fear of the gun going off,
52:11
Speaker 3: because that's the totally different You're going to die in
52:15
Speaker 3: that instance, and it's gonna hurt really bad. So there
52:19
Speaker 3: was violence, was more intimate in the experience with a
52:23
Speaker 3: female and more personal. It's something that I don't know
52:26
Speaker 3: if you haven't experienced that type of personal violence, it's
52:31
Speaker 3: hard to explain. But the least traumatic aspect of it
52:35
Speaker 3: was that it was sexual. The most traumatic aspect of
52:39
Speaker 3: it was the violence and the personal nature of the
52:42
Speaker 3: domination and being subdued against my will, not that there
52:46
Speaker 3: was any sexual anything going on, even though that was
52:50
Speaker 3: the defining supposedly the defining feature of it. I guess
52:54
Speaker 3: that's about as clear as I could make it.
52:56
Speaker 1: I remember saying in twitteries very recently about another country
53:02
Speaker 1: that's considering castrating pedophils and sexual offenders in an attempt
53:07
Speaker 1: to deter such crimes, because you know, as long as
53:11
Speaker 1: you don't have a dick or balls, that that's going
53:13
Speaker 1: to prevent you from sexually assaulting someone. And I'm like,
53:16
Speaker 1: a lot of the time, the reason people do this
53:18
Speaker 1: is just pure sadism. Like a lot of sexual assault
53:21
Speaker 1: doesn't even happen for direct sexual gratification. It's indirect, Like
53:27
Speaker 1: a lot of these people are so sick that they
53:30
Speaker 1: that they do it just because of the pain that
53:33
Speaker 1: they know it will cause. I mean, for instance, castration
53:37
Speaker 1: as a punishment isn't going to stop female perpetrators of
53:41
Speaker 1: these things because there's really not much of an equivalent
53:46
Speaker 1: of castration. You're not going to cut out their ovaries,
53:49
Speaker 1: are You're not going to cut out whatever else it takes.
53:52
Speaker 1: And that just blows people's minds because how would women
53:56
Speaker 1: wouldn't do this, Yes, they would, they would do this
54:00
Speaker 1: to males. They would do this to females, not because
54:02
Speaker 1: it gives them a tingly in and out sensation in
54:05
Speaker 1: their own genitals. But because they get off on the sadism,
54:09
Speaker 1: it's not going to stop men from doing this. A
54:11
Speaker 1: man could get out of prison after twenty years with
54:15
Speaker 1: no dick and no balls, and it's not going to
54:18
Speaker 1: stop him from performing these sadistic acts on anyone who
54:22
Speaker 1: happens to come into their vicinity. Nor will it stop women. Yeah,
54:28
Speaker 1: people keep bringing this up like it's like it's going
54:31
Speaker 1: to prevent these psychopaths from performing these acts. No, it's not.
54:35
Speaker 1: It's certainly not going to do anything to prevent these
54:38
Speaker 1: female psychopaths from performing these acts, because for the most part,
54:43
Speaker 1: it was never about, you know, pushing something in and
54:46
Speaker 1: out of their own vagina. It was all they ever
54:48
Speaker 1: wanted was to push something in and out of their victim.
54:51
Speaker 1: And so, you know, punishing sexual offenders by cutting off
54:55
Speaker 1: their dick and balls isn't going to prevent any of
54:58
Speaker 1: these rapes. It's certainly not going to be and women
55:00
Speaker 1: from performing these rapes. But it's a brilliant way of
55:04
Speaker 1: punishing or torturing innocent men who were who were in
55:08
Speaker 1: fact never guilty of these crimes. They were just accused
55:11
Speaker 1: of these crimes, perhaps by the government, perhaps you know,
55:14
Speaker 1: by someone who wants to get rid of them in
55:16
Speaker 1: their own sadistic way. Again, it's punishing the crimes of
55:20
Speaker 1: sadistic women by being sadistic two men. And I know
55:24
Speaker 1: this is a very tricky thing to say because it
55:26
Speaker 1: sounds like I'm defending pedo. I'm absolutely not doing that.
55:30
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely not defending the perpetrators of these most heinous
55:34
Speaker 1: of sexual crimes. But you know, threatening them with castration
55:38
Speaker 1: is not the answer. Death is a good answer. If
55:42
Speaker 1: you would just fucking hang these bastards and these bitches,
55:47
Speaker 1: that would be a deterrent that would actually be just
55:50
Speaker 1: as effective against female and male perpetrators. If you just
55:54
Speaker 1: fucking kill them, that would work across me, across across men,
55:58
Speaker 1: and went well, it would work for women as much
56:00
Speaker 1: as it would work for men, which wouldn't work either,
56:04
Speaker 1: because they're fucking psychopaths.
56:09
Speaker 3: Pedophilia is a mental illness in and of itself. It
56:12
Speaker 3: would be like if you if you execute executed people
56:16
Speaker 3: with bipolar disorder for having impulse control problems or mood issues,
56:22
Speaker 3: mood swings and stuff like that, you would still have
56:25
Speaker 3: new people turn up with bipolar disorder, and they would
56:28
Speaker 3: still have the same personality issues. You can't cure something
56:33
Speaker 3: like that by scaring people away from it. You can
56:37
Speaker 3: deter perpetration of crimes that way, you can. You can
56:43
Speaker 3: even a person with impulse control can be scared out
56:47
Speaker 3: of robbing a bank or stealing from the grocery store,
56:50
Speaker 3: or breaking into somebody's house if they're if they have
56:53
Speaker 3: enough fear of the consequences. But you can't get rid
56:56
Speaker 3: of the mental illness through consequences because it's not caused
57:00
Speaker 3: by a lack of consequences. It is itself often a
57:04
Speaker 3: consequence of a set of cultural issues that people don't
57:09
Speaker 3: like to trace back to their point of origin, because
57:13
Speaker 3: the point of origin is very often growing up without
57:17
Speaker 3: a father. It doesn't necessarily mean that everybody who grows
57:20
Speaker 3: up without a father is going to be a child
57:22
Speaker 3: molester or a bank robber or a burglar, or even
57:27
Speaker 3: just a failure in life in general. But when you
57:30
Speaker 3: take someone's father away from them, you increase the chances
57:34
Speaker 3: that one of those things is going to happen, and
57:36
Speaker 3: you increase the chance that they're going to grow up
57:39
Speaker 3: in a violent and abusive environment. Which increases the chance
57:43
Speaker 3: that they're going to grow up to be a violent
57:45
Speaker 3: and abusive person. You increase the chance that they're going
57:48
Speaker 3: to experience sexual violence as a child while growing up
57:53
Speaker 3: in a violent and abusive environment, and that increases the
57:57
Speaker 3: chance that they're going to be a perpetrator later in life.
58:01
Speaker 3: Just like when you expose somewhat to sexual violence as
58:04
Speaker 3: a child in an environment where they're otherwise very overprotected
58:09
Speaker 3: and they don't learn to defend themselves, you get serial victims.
58:14
Speaker 3: Even though I grew up in an environment where outside
58:17
Speaker 3: of my home, in my neighborhood there was violence, I
58:20
Speaker 3: was overprotected in a lot of ways, and I ended
58:22
Speaker 3: up on that serial victim path. But my molester was
58:27
Speaker 3: an older boy, teenager when I was in elementary school,
58:31
Speaker 3: well I was before elementary school actually to start school
58:34
Speaker 3: till I was six. But he was violently abused by
58:38
Speaker 3: his mother, and he was taken from his mother's home
58:41
Speaker 3: and he was given proper therapy, and he wasn't properly monitored.
58:47
Speaker 3: That a boy should never have been left alone with
58:49
Speaker 3: me for not even five minutes, because that's all it took.
58:52
Speaker 3: And you know, the people that were running child protective
58:56
Speaker 3: services at that time didn't do what they needed to
59:00
Speaker 3: do for him to make sure he didn't go down
59:02
Speaker 3: that path of becoming a violent abuser. This is a
59:05
Speaker 3: child with brain damage like he had been hit in
59:08
Speaker 3: the head with a metal ball bat. This wasn't a
59:11
Speaker 3: minor case. And what happened to me happened to me
59:14
Speaker 3: because those people didn't do their jobs. And as much
59:17
Speaker 3: as you know you want to hold perpetration against the perpetrator,
59:20
Speaker 3: in most cases, we are literally talking about an intellectually
59:24
Speaker 3: disabled child as a perpetrator. And I don't think you
59:30
Speaker 3: could hang enough people in the world to change what
59:33
Speaker 3: he was going to do. What he needed was to
59:36
Speaker 3: be institutionalized and very carefully worked with by people who
59:41
Speaker 3: could help him meet his potential as a human being
59:46
Speaker 3: as best he could under the circumstances that he had.
59:49
Speaker 3: What he really needed was to never have been left
59:52
Speaker 3: in the care of his mother in the first place,
59:54
Speaker 3: because she's the one that did that to him. Everything
59:56
Speaker 3: he did to me was stuff that she did to him.
59:58
Speaker 3: I'm lucky that he didn't do everything to me that
1:00:01
Speaker 3: she did to him. So this stuff is cyclical, and
1:00:03
Speaker 3: this idea of well, we just take all the men
1:00:07
Speaker 3: and tell them not to rape, and shame them as
1:00:10
Speaker 3: if they are potential perpetrators, and challenge their masculinity and
1:00:14
Speaker 3: demonize their masculinity, talk about them being responsible because they're bystanders,
1:00:19
Speaker 3: and so on. Right, None of that addresses this type
1:00:22
Speaker 3: of cause. None of that addresses children growing up in
1:00:25
Speaker 3: environments that shape them into adults who live life in
1:00:30
Speaker 3: the stupidest way possible, who have predispositions to become cruel
1:00:35
Speaker 3: and dangerous and self destructive in ways that are going
1:00:39
Speaker 3: to hurt other people in the process. You can't shame
1:00:43
Speaker 3: the general male population enough to take the men and
1:00:47
Speaker 3: boys who have been warped by their experiences enough to
1:00:52
Speaker 3: violate some of the deepest taboos our society has and
1:00:56
Speaker 3: not have the desire to do those violations be alien
1:01:00
Speaker 3: to them. You can't fix those guys by shaming other men.
1:01:04
Speaker 3: And those other men are already taking responsibility. They're supporting
1:01:09
Speaker 3: the politicians that pass the laws that say you can't
1:01:14
Speaker 3: do these things or will punish you. They're already and
1:01:17
Speaker 3: those those laws have been on the books for centuries.
1:01:21
Speaker 3: Women have been protected under intimate partner and sexual violence
1:01:25
Speaker 3: laws of varying degrees for centuries, and those laws were
1:01:29
Speaker 3: written by men. They were written by men, they were
1:01:33
Speaker 3: enforced by men, and the men of the community would
1:01:36
Speaker 3: enforce them, even if there wasn't a local law on
1:01:39
Speaker 3: the books, or even if there weren't police forces and
1:01:42
Speaker 3: such to enforce them. Women have always been protected, and
1:01:46
Speaker 3: there's always been some sort of recourse. The only stipulation
1:01:49
Speaker 3: has been, you know, don't lie to us about this, right,
1:01:52
Speaker 3: don't lie to the men and tell them something happened
1:01:54
Speaker 3: that didn't. Don't lie to the men and tell them
1:01:56
Speaker 3: it was worse than it was. Don't lie to the
1:01:59
Speaker 3: men and tell them somebody did it that didn't. And
1:02:01
Speaker 3: don't wait twenty fucking years to talk about it, because
1:02:04
Speaker 3: then we can't prove what happened. Very very simple, not
1:02:07
Speaker 3: a big ask, honestly. For a long time, there was
1:02:11
Speaker 3: also the stipulation you should try to fight back. Obviously
1:02:14
Speaker 3: there are some circumstances where that's not an option, But
1:02:17
Speaker 3: in any case, what we're looking at here on this
1:02:19
Speaker 3: page Men against Rape off the bench into the game
1:02:22
Speaker 3: where they say sexual violence is primarily perpetrated by men. Well,
1:02:25
Speaker 3: we don't know that because we don't investigate how much
1:02:29
Speaker 3: women do it. Our society does everything it possibly can
1:02:33
Speaker 3: to not see that, and when it does happen, it
1:02:36
Speaker 3: is it is reprehensible, just as much as it is
1:02:38
Speaker 3: when women or when men are the victims and men
1:02:40
Speaker 3: are the perpetrators. It is traumatic to the victim and
1:02:47
Speaker 3: it is usually caused by the same background issues of
1:02:51
Speaker 3: violence and a traumatic upbringing or traumatic experience during childhood
1:02:56
Speaker 3: that doesn't get handled properly by the adults so that
1:03:00
Speaker 3: the child doesn't get warped by it in ways that
1:03:03
Speaker 3: makes her violent later on. Similarly, we have down here
1:03:07
Speaker 3: the man up masculinity and popular culture. Again, we're looking
1:03:11
Speaker 3: at masculinity, gender, pop culture representation. That's another DEI think
1:03:17
Speaker 3: bystanders social norms, cultural studies, discourse critical thinking. The deconstruction
1:03:23
Speaker 3: of masculinity and popular culture provides valuable analytical tools for
1:03:27
Speaker 3: challenging UNALTI social norms. This lecture allows participants to engage
1:03:32
Speaker 3: in cultural analysis of how masculinity is represented and how
1:03:35
Speaker 3: that representation so frequently has negative repercussions in men's lives.
1:03:39
Speaker 3: Remember this is in sexual violence prevention training, right, sexual
1:03:45
Speaker 3: harassment prevention training, So this isn't a class a coursework
1:03:49
Speaker 3: on men having greater success in their lives. It's a
1:03:53
Speaker 3: classwork on claiming that masculinity is part of the problem
1:03:58
Speaker 3: where sexual violence is concerned, completely ignoring once again female
1:04:02
Speaker 3: perpetration and completely ignoring the fact that it's not masculinity
1:04:08
Speaker 3: that is the problem. It's childhood trauma and a dysfunctional
1:04:13
Speaker 3: upbringing and mental health conditions, people going down the wrong path.
1:04:19
Speaker 3: And when you get nothing but trauma and training that
1:04:27
Speaker 3: violences is how you get what you want, and violence
1:04:30
Speaker 3: is what you should want, you end up going in
1:04:32
Speaker 3: a spiral inward to more and more warped forms of violence,
1:04:38
Speaker 3: rather than ever coming out of it. So none of
1:04:41
Speaker 3: this stuff is really preventative. It's just more sort of
1:04:44
Speaker 3: a shaming culture, and all it does is talk around
1:04:48
Speaker 3: the problem. When you look back at the conditions that
1:04:54
Speaker 3: create a rapist or a sexual harasser or stalker or groper,
1:04:59
Speaker 3: or any person that approaches sex as a predator prey
1:05:05
Speaker 3: interaction rather than an interaction of human intimacy, that's an
1:05:10
Speaker 3: individual who didn't learn how to be a functional adult,
1:05:14
Speaker 3: and they did learn things that are not true about
1:05:17
Speaker 3: being a functional adult. Right, And when you trace back
1:05:20
Speaker 3: to the causes of that. More often than not, you
1:05:23
Speaker 3: find somebody who in childhood had a record in childhood,
1:05:27
Speaker 3: experienced abuse in childhood, was brought up without a father
1:05:32
Speaker 3: and without any father figure right in childhood, may have
1:05:36
Speaker 3: experienced physical trauma that led to brain injuries, and in childhood,
1:05:43
Speaker 3: particularly in a juvenile justice system, were sexually abused themselves.
1:05:48
Speaker 3: The majority of perpetrators when surveyed, the majority of perpetrators
1:05:54
Speaker 3: of sexual abuse described having been sexually abused as children.
1:05:58
Speaker 3: And even though the majority of children who are sexually
1:06:01
Speaker 3: abused don't go on to become perpetrators, it's quite obvious
1:06:05
Speaker 3: that that is a causative factor, even if it's not
1:06:09
Speaker 3: the only one. You can't address this by shaming normal men.
1:06:13
Speaker 3: But that's what they're trying to do, and that's what
1:06:14
Speaker 3: our military is paying for thousands of dollars to shame
1:06:18
Speaker 3: our soldiers who are in the military to get their
1:06:22
Speaker 3: college paid for or to earn a living for their family.
1:06:26
Speaker 3: Most likely not because they don't get paid enough or
1:06:28
Speaker 3: because they are patriotic, because they fear that some other
1:06:33
Speaker 3: country is going to actually harm their country, their community,
1:06:36
Speaker 3: their family, and they want to protect people. For a
1:06:39
Speaker 3: host of reasons that have nothing to do with being predatory,
1:06:43
Speaker 3: and you shame these men for not stopping the men
1:06:48
Speaker 3: that our justice system has failed throughout their whole lives
1:06:53
Speaker 3: from committing rape, and you ignore female perpetration. You're not
1:06:58
Speaker 3: actually doing anything for the personnel in the military in
1:07:01
Speaker 3: that instance, they're actually doing harm. You know the rest
1:07:04
Speaker 3: of this, let's see, Okay, cultural acceptability and stalking was
1:07:08
Speaker 3: another one. I think, yeah, there's another. You see another
1:07:13
Speaker 3: mention of bystanders. Victim dynamics is an interesting idea that
1:07:19
Speaker 3: they there are some people who will not complain when
1:07:22
Speaker 3: they're experiencing something like stalking because they don't take it seriously.
1:07:26
Speaker 3: And there are times when it's really not something that
1:07:29
Speaker 3: you need to take seriously if the person is inept
1:07:32
Speaker 3: or it seems like something they're going to do for
1:07:34
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks and then quit. But there are
1:07:36
Speaker 3: times when people don't take it seriously when they should,
1:07:39
Speaker 3: and they end up they end up getting injured because
1:07:42
Speaker 3: it escalates into something else. So that's one that's actually useful.
1:07:47
Speaker 3: But when you get back to they got to look
1:07:49
Speaker 3: at popular culture again and we go I saw bystanders
1:07:53
Speaker 3: in here again. Victims suffer unique trauma and are often
1:07:56
Speaker 3: subject to other types of violence when it goes unchecked.
1:07:59
Speaker 3: This analysis examines representations of stalking and proposes practical tools
1:08:04
Speaker 3: for educating on this serious topic. Well, it's again very simple.
1:08:09
Speaker 3: The discussion should be about boundaries. Right when you look
1:08:12
Speaker 3: at pop culture representations of stalking, one of the things
1:08:16
Speaker 3: to examine is the difference between fantasy and reality. Pop
1:08:19
Speaker 3: culture sometimes portrays stalking behaviors as romantic when the stalker
1:08:24
Speaker 3: is very attractive and he happens to be the protagonist
1:08:28
Speaker 3: in the story, or when the stalker is really cute
1:08:30
Speaker 3: and she happens to be the manic pixie dream girl
1:08:35
Speaker 3: or whatever. But the fact is, it's if it's unwanted,
1:08:40
Speaker 3: it's dangerous when we get into the next page, as
1:08:43
Speaker 3: long as.
1:08:43
Speaker 1: Long as the stalker is paying the only fans girl
1:08:47
Speaker 1: in question.
1:08:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean so, I have I have seen some
1:08:53
Speaker 3: instances where and individuals that I knew who was dealing with,
1:09:00
Speaker 3: who were dealing with an individual that was continually engaging
1:09:05
Speaker 3: in unwanted contact. We'll say, you know, calling them on
1:09:07
Speaker 3: the phone. This was back when you're there were no
1:09:13
Speaker 3: mobile phones. Well, maybe rich people had them. But like
1:09:19
Speaker 3: your average household, they nobody had a mobile phone, nobody
1:09:24
Speaker 3: had pagers. If you had a pager, you were a
1:09:27
Speaker 3: drug dealer. I think that's pretty much the case now
1:09:29
Speaker 3: because uh, you know, doctors have cell phones now, They
1:09:33
Speaker 3: have their mobile phones now, so they don't need pagers. Yeah,
1:09:38
Speaker 3: you were either a doctor or a drug dealer if
1:09:40
Speaker 3: you had a pager and everybody's landline like your phone.
1:09:44
Speaker 3: You could have cordless phones, but your neighbors could listen
1:09:49
Speaker 3: in on your conversations if you used a cordless phone. Right,
1:09:52
Speaker 3: blocking someone's phone number was significantly more difficult. You could
1:09:56
Speaker 3: get if you got a phone call and you didn't
1:09:58
Speaker 3: have you didn't pay for a device to identify everybody
1:10:01
Speaker 3: that called your house. You didn't have caller ID, and
1:10:04
Speaker 3: even if you did have caller ID, if someone was
1:10:06
Speaker 3: calling from an area that didn't have coverage, then you
1:10:10
Speaker 3: didn't have caller ID. So there was it was very
1:10:13
Speaker 3: difficult to prevent someone from contacting you, and it was
1:10:18
Speaker 3: difficult to know when the person calling you was your stalker.
1:10:25
Speaker 3: And then of course there was physical following and stuff
1:10:27
Speaker 3: like that. And she really didn't take it seriously until
1:10:32
Speaker 3: she came home one day when her parents weren't home
1:10:35
Speaker 3: and he was in her house, and that was one
1:10:37
Speaker 3: of those situations where it was like, you know, she
1:10:40
Speaker 3: was reveling in humble bragging about how annoying this guy was,
1:10:45
Speaker 3: and so she wasn't doing a whole lot about it.
1:10:48
Speaker 3: She would whine about it and then whine about the obsession.
1:10:52
Speaker 3: But then when she came home that one day and
1:10:54
Speaker 3: he was in her house, suddenly you know it was
1:10:57
Speaker 3: time to talk to the parents about it and get
1:10:58
Speaker 3: the police involved in it, when in fact, a year
1:11:02
Speaker 3: earlier she should have started with, hey, mom, dad, this
1:11:06
Speaker 3: is happening and it's a little bit weird, and yeah,
1:11:09
Speaker 3: the phone calls in the in the middle of the night,
1:11:11
Speaker 3: you know the parents should have taken seriously. No, it
1:11:13
Speaker 3: wasn't just a wrong number. No, it wasn't just a
1:11:15
Speaker 3: crank call. It was that dipshit again. And when that
1:11:17
Speaker 3: dipshit is calling three or four times a day, when
1:11:20
Speaker 3: it's not normal to call somebody that frequently, like today,
1:11:25
Speaker 3: you know, you might might see somebody getting dozens of
1:11:28
Speaker 3: texts back and forth. Somebody might spend all day texting.
1:11:31
Speaker 3: But back then, if your if your phone rang more
1:11:34
Speaker 3: than three or four times a day, you were really
1:11:36
Speaker 3: popular or really busy, or you had a business in
1:11:38
Speaker 3: your home. It wasn't the thing that people did all
1:11:41
Speaker 3: the time, you know, So yeah, it was. It was
1:11:45
Speaker 3: definitely something that should have been taken more seriously, and
1:11:48
Speaker 3: it was very fortunate that no violence occurred as a result.
1:11:51
Speaker 3: And I've run into this more often than not with
1:11:55
Speaker 3: female victims I've talked to where they're like, well, men
1:11:58
Speaker 3: just do this kind of thing, and men just act
1:11:59
Speaker 3: like and you find out that there's a personality type
1:12:02
Speaker 3: they picked that they got involved with, and uh. And
1:12:05
Speaker 3: then when they were ready to break things off and
1:12:08
Speaker 3: he wasn't, instead of taking steps to put it put
1:12:12
Speaker 3: the cabash to the stalking, they did that reveling in
1:12:15
Speaker 3: the victimhood and humble bragging about how obsessed this guy
1:12:19
Speaker 3: was that he wouldn't leave her alone, didn't file any
1:12:21
Speaker 3: kind of complaint, didn't go to any authority, just talk
1:12:24
Speaker 3: to their friends about it and acted scared and upset,
1:12:27
Speaker 3: when in fact they weren't really doing anything about the problem.
1:12:30
Speaker 3: We had a when I was a kid, We had
1:12:33
Speaker 3: a boy who got my phone number and called me.
1:12:36
Speaker 3: A couple of times and started, you know, doing the
1:12:38
Speaker 3: crank calling thing, wasn't obsessive, wasn't engaging in any kind
1:12:42
Speaker 3: of pattern or anything like that. Didn't follow me home,
1:12:45
Speaker 3: you know, nothing, like my parents still called the copy.
1:12:47
Speaker 3: They still got law and enforcement involved because you don't know.
1:12:51
Speaker 3: And it's not something that I wouldn't advise that today,
1:12:54
Speaker 3: because at least not with kids, because they go overboard
1:12:57
Speaker 3: now when they get involved. But it was taken seriously
1:13:00
Speaker 3: from the beginning, and something was done about it from
1:13:02
Speaker 3: the beginning. And the reason is because if you have
1:13:05
Speaker 3: any opportunity to reform a kid's behavior, it's when he's
1:13:09
Speaker 3: a kid. Best when he's a kid. But yeah, so
1:13:12
Speaker 3: they this other page is when they the previous page
1:13:15
Speaker 3: here is it at the top. This is lectures. So
1:13:19
Speaker 3: this is where they go and they just talk. They
1:13:20
Speaker 3: might have powerpoints. Workshops and training are a different story.
1:13:25
Speaker 3: This is interactive, all right. This isn't something just standing
1:13:28
Speaker 3: up on a stage and lecturing and everybody has to listen.
1:13:32
Speaker 3: And then when they're done, maybe they take questions and answers.
1:13:34
Speaker 3: This is like a classroom setting, and they may have
1:13:38
Speaker 3: handouts that everybody gets. You may have a quiz that
1:13:41
Speaker 3: you take, you may be expected to speak out and
1:13:44
Speaker 3: answer questions in class and stuff like that. And again
1:13:47
Speaker 3: we're looking at not just the prevention of sexual assault,
1:13:51
Speaker 3: not just the prevention of sexual harassment, intersectionality of oppression,
1:14:00
Speaker 3: hetero sexism, homophobia. What's the difference, Like.
1:14:05
Speaker 1: What's even the point in having the non highlighted bits
1:14:08
Speaker 1: because every one of these sections starts with ten different
1:14:11
Speaker 1: links to hire reading. It's like the stuff that isn't
1:14:14
Speaker 1: a link is just a formality.
1:14:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, So do they have to teach people that your
1:14:23
Speaker 3: boundaries matter a different amount or in different ways if
1:14:27
Speaker 3: you come from a different country, or your skin's a
1:14:30
Speaker 3: different color, or you identify as something off the list
1:14:34
Speaker 3: of seventy two genders that intersexual intersectional feminists invented and
1:14:39
Speaker 3: gender feminists won't accept. Is why do they even need
1:14:43
Speaker 3: anything before the discussion on here we are sexual violence
1:14:48
Speaker 3: and victim dynamics. I'm not even sure they need to
1:14:51
Speaker 3: discuss victim dynamics so much as they need to discuss
1:14:54
Speaker 3: the topic of sexual violence and what it comprises and
1:14:59
Speaker 3: how to you prevent it, you know, like really simple,
1:15:04
Speaker 3: this really simple topic that people can easily understand and
1:15:09
Speaker 3: most people already do and if they overcomplicate with all
1:15:13
Speaker 3: this other stuff. So here's why feminists have been whining
1:15:16
Speaker 3: that sexual assault prevention training in the military would end
1:15:19
Speaker 3: if they took the DEI out of it. It's because
1:15:21
Speaker 3: they've padded DEI into every little thing here.
1:15:24
Speaker 1: By the way, those of you who are calling anything
1:15:27
Speaker 1: the woke right, find me any of the people you
1:15:30
Speaker 1: accuse of being this and find any of them talking
1:15:33
Speaker 1: about things like victim dynamics. Like, I don't know who
1:15:36
Speaker 1: we is, but for the sake of argument, if you're
1:15:39
Speaker 1: calling us the work right, when have you ever heard
1:15:42
Speaker 1: us talking about anything like victim dynamics, like.
1:15:45
Speaker 3: Something you would talk to law enforcement of it.
1:15:48
Speaker 1: It's like victim mentality, Like we are we are constantly
1:15:53
Speaker 1: barraged with with this academic fluff about victim dynamics, and
1:15:59
Speaker 1: we're like this, this is retarded that you talk about
1:16:03
Speaker 1: victim dynamics like this is exactly what we mean by
1:16:06
Speaker 1: victim mentality. You actually do essays in academia, no less
1:16:11
Speaker 1: you can. You can do things that represent mind camp, right,
1:16:15
Speaker 1: doctor Lindsay regarding things like victim dynamics, and we go,
1:16:18
Speaker 1: this is bullshit that you keep talking about victim dynamics,
1:16:22
Speaker 1: and nobody does this on the on the opposing side,
1:16:26
Speaker 1: nobody talks about the victim dynamics of white people or
1:16:30
Speaker 1: men or straight people. We just look at this kind
1:16:34
Speaker 1: of cross bullshit about the victim dynamics of women and
1:16:38
Speaker 1: non white people and non straight people, and we go,
1:16:41
Speaker 1: this is this is horseshit. And for that we are
1:16:44
Speaker 1: called the woke right like, go fuck yourself, all of you,
1:16:48
Speaker 1: go fuck yourself. Sorry, I need it together in carry on, Hannah.
1:16:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't blame you for that. I mean when
1:16:53
Speaker 3: I look at this, and I know the vertical chat
1:16:56
Speaker 3: doesn't see it very well. It's you're seeing like part
1:16:59
Speaker 3: of the text. But what I'm reading here, you know,
1:17:04
Speaker 3: personally as an individual who has suffered as other people's
1:17:10
Speaker 3: sexual misconduct over and over again, because I did go
1:17:13
Speaker 3: down the path of being the serial victim, Tilian understood
1:17:18
Speaker 3: the things that I was doing that made me vulnerable.
1:17:21
Speaker 3: And I know they're going to be famished. Oh, you
1:17:23
Speaker 3: can't talk about that. You can't say that you can't
1:17:26
Speaker 3: take responsibility for being vulnerable. We get Actually you can,
1:17:30
Speaker 3: and it does make a difference in your life experience.
1:17:33
Speaker 3: If you do that very positive difference. Actually, in fact,
1:17:36
Speaker 3: I haven't been victimized in that manner since. So you know,
1:17:40
Speaker 3: if you're mad at me for taking responsibility for reducing
1:17:44
Speaker 3: my vulnerability, well fuck, y'all, I'm just just saying.
1:17:47
Speaker 1: But.
1:17:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am really, I guess I'm just pissed off
1:17:52
Speaker 3: about this. Here. There is actually a problem a sexual
1:17:58
Speaker 3: misconduct in the military, and there's a problem between men
1:18:01
Speaker 3: and women. Then there's also the hazing issue among men,
1:18:06
Speaker 3: and there's a hazing issue among women, and it's often
1:18:09
Speaker 3: sexual too, and then there's also gay and lesbian sexual
1:18:14
Speaker 3: misconduct as well, and none of it is addressed. Everybody
1:18:18
Speaker 3: that could be protected from becoming a victim in the
1:18:23
Speaker 3: military is being done a great disservice by this focus
1:18:29
Speaker 3: on DEI instead of a focus on straightforward discussion of
1:18:34
Speaker 3: the issue and straightforward education on respecting each other's boundaries
1:18:39
Speaker 3: and respecting each other's individuality and respecting each other's choice
1:18:43
Speaker 3: and respecting one's self enough to want voluntary intimacy and
1:18:48
Speaker 3: not a violent experience. And if somebody is in that
1:18:52
Speaker 3: situation where they want the violent experience instead, they should
1:18:56
Speaker 3: be getting told how to get help and not well,
1:18:59
Speaker 3: you know, we're here to teach men not to rape,
1:19:02
Speaker 3: just don't do it at hello. If they were going
1:19:04
Speaker 3: to just don't do it, they wouldn't need the education
1:19:07
Speaker 3: in the first place. And this goes through all of
1:19:09
Speaker 3: their like you have this one that has victim dynamics
1:19:13
Speaker 3: is not the one that's you know, there's a whole
1:19:15
Speaker 3: thing on sexual assault victim dynamics for law enforcement, right,
1:19:19
Speaker 3: But up here at the top, this is just a
1:19:21
Speaker 3: straight up, you know, film viewing and discussion for Jeffrey.
1:19:26
Speaker 3: I believe this has pronounced boot Scholtz is away from violence,
1:19:30
Speaker 3: maybe boot cults, just depending on the nationality. Whereas down
1:19:34
Speaker 3: here it's about for law enforcement. Finally they see something
1:19:38
Speaker 3: that is actually of some value, right, victim dynamics, interview techniques,
1:19:43
Speaker 3: and working with victim advocates. The one thing that I
1:19:45
Speaker 3: don't like about what they're teaching law enforcement is treating
1:19:49
Speaker 3: victims with kid gloves in a way that can can
1:19:53
Speaker 3: prevent getting all of the evidence because you're trying not
1:19:57
Speaker 3: to step on trauma and toes stuff. I'd rather have
1:20:01
Speaker 3: old wounds re opened and prove the case and get
1:20:06
Speaker 3: the result of a conviction and getting the perpetrator into
1:20:11
Speaker 3: a program that helps them turn their life around and
1:20:15
Speaker 3: not be that person anymore. Then to have them not
1:20:22
Speaker 3: ask me questions because I might be traumatized by the questions.
1:20:27
Speaker 3: And that's what they're doing right now. Don't ask this
1:20:29
Speaker 3: type of questions, or don't ask questions this way, or
1:20:32
Speaker 3: you know, don't don't do anything that might make the
1:20:36
Speaker 3: victim think that you're challenging her her story, Like I'm
1:20:40
Speaker 3: I'd rather not be believed and have every aspect of
1:20:45
Speaker 3: my story dug into in a way that could lead
1:20:48
Speaker 3: to getting all the evidence needed to make the case,
1:20:52
Speaker 3: then not have the right questions asked. So we're looking
1:20:56
Speaker 3: at this again. We see there it is eliminating gender
1:21:00
Speaker 3: violence and discrimination from our classrooms and campuses. So they're
1:21:04
Speaker 3: not just talking now about you know, like social situations
1:21:09
Speaker 3: sometimes just like any other work group, soldiers go drinking together,
1:21:13
Speaker 3: soldiers party together, low off steam together, and so on.
1:21:17
Speaker 3: But this is like they all take classes together, they
1:21:20
Speaker 3: all do training together, they all do work together, and
1:21:25
Speaker 3: this is about that. So we're talking to campuses and everything.
1:21:29
Speaker 3: Education a topic education, classroom discrimination, harassment, safe spaces. Safe
1:21:35
Speaker 3: spaces is another one that DEI stole. Safe spaces used
1:21:38
Speaker 3: to be like, if you had a mental health condition
1:21:41
Speaker 3: or you had an addiction, and you were trying to
1:21:44
Speaker 3: address a symptom and the symptom is weird or it's
1:21:48
Speaker 3: socially unacceptable, that you could address the causes and the
1:21:54
Speaker 3: efforts that you need to make to overcome that without
1:21:58
Speaker 3: having the whole conversation focus on shaming you for having
1:22:01
Speaker 3: that symptom.
1:22:02
Speaker 1: Safe spaces used to mean the domicile, just like your house,
1:22:06
Speaker 1: Like that was that was where your children were safe.
1:22:08
Speaker 1: And if you really wanted to keep your children safe,
1:22:10
Speaker 1: you would you would keep them there and if you
1:22:13
Speaker 1: and if you were if you were okay with them
1:22:15
Speaker 1: leaving the house, you would you would like your children
1:22:18
Speaker 1: roam the street and play football and fucking hopscotch or
1:22:21
Speaker 1: whatever else. That's all safe space ever needed to mean. Yeah,
1:22:26
Speaker 1: it was it was your family home.
1:22:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, But in terms of psychology, when they said safe spaces,
1:22:33
Speaker 3: they weren't talking about turning your classroom, your whole classroom
1:22:37
Speaker 3: into a space where nobody feels challenged and nobody feels
1:22:42
Speaker 3: excluded or anything like that. They were talking about being
1:22:45
Speaker 3: able to discuss your weaknesses, you know, like you say
1:22:49
Speaker 3: you have an addiction to some drug, or you're an alcoholic,
1:22:53
Speaker 3: or you have a gambling addiction, and the craving for
1:22:57
Speaker 3: the thing that you're addicted to presents in ways that
1:23:01
Speaker 3: make it hard for you to resist that craving. And
1:23:04
Speaker 3: you have challenges that you're going through that you're describing
1:23:08
Speaker 3: in this room, and people in that room will share
1:23:11
Speaker 3: tools they use personally in their lives to help overcome
1:23:15
Speaker 3: the challenge of but the craving hasn't gone away, and
1:23:18
Speaker 3: I can't stop craving this thing. And the safe space
1:23:22
Speaker 3: is is for you being able to say, but I
1:23:26
Speaker 3: desperately want to take that drink, or I desperately want
1:23:28
Speaker 3: to just play one one hand, and I could stop,
1:23:32
Speaker 3: you know, and I'm trying finding it very hard to
1:23:35
Speaker 3: resist that impulse. What do you do when this happens?
1:23:39
Speaker 3: You know? What do you do when you're at a
1:23:40
Speaker 3: party and it's everybody's playing poker and you're a gambling addict.
1:23:46
Speaker 3: What do you do when you're at a party and
1:23:48
Speaker 3: all of the beverages are alcoholic? You know? What do
1:23:51
Speaker 3: you do when the office orders wine for Christmas and
1:23:55
Speaker 3: sends it to your house and you're an alcoholic or
1:23:58
Speaker 3: things like that. What do you do when you are
1:24:00
Speaker 3: on a university campus and your friends have taken you
1:24:03
Speaker 3: to an event and it turns out that it's not
1:24:06
Speaker 3: what they thought it was, and the drug that you're
1:24:08
Speaker 3: addicted to is everywhere and people are offering it to you.
1:24:12
Speaker 3: And then you can talk about that in a safe
1:24:14
Speaker 3: space where somebody will say in my situation, I would
1:24:19
Speaker 3: call my dad, or you can call me and I
1:24:22
Speaker 3: will come get you, or other suggestions that they've made
1:24:25
Speaker 3: without saying shame on you for not being strong enough.
1:24:28
Speaker 1: And then the government, and then the government. Then the
1:24:31
Speaker 1: government makes the majority of drugs illegal in an attempt
1:24:35
Speaker 1: to turn the entire country into a safe space. At least,
1:24:38
Speaker 1: that doesn't seem to work.
1:24:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's because they've flooded black neighborhoods with them and
1:24:42
Speaker 3: they ended up creating an entire culture that didn't exist.
1:24:47
Speaker 3: And of course now it's everywhere. But yeah, now safe
1:24:52
Speaker 3: spaces are well, you can't use these trigger words. Don't
1:24:56
Speaker 3: say the word rape, Well, we want you to say
1:24:58
Speaker 3: grape instead, because that doesn't sound the same. I'm not
1:25:02
Speaker 3: doing that, by the way.
1:25:03
Speaker 1: Suicide suicide Hitler Hitler COVID vaccines.
1:25:07
Speaker 3: Sorry, I even even Hitler was human being. Okay, guys
1:25:12
Speaker 3: don't rape Hitler. That's not nice. You know, he find
1:25:16
Speaker 3: some other way to punish him.
1:25:17
Speaker 1: You have to find a graveyard and Argentine.
1:25:21
Speaker 3: Well, maybe he's got to be done by now. Even
1:25:24
Speaker 3: if he didn't die when they said he died, he'd
1:25:27
Speaker 3: be pretty fucking old for a guy on the run.
1:25:30
Speaker 3: But just old period. But yeah, I hate the whole
1:25:38
Speaker 3: use of the safe spaces thing now because it's been
1:25:41
Speaker 3: it's been ripped off, and it's been ripped off in
1:25:43
Speaker 3: a very bad way, and it's created an environment in
1:25:46
Speaker 3: which people actually it does the opposite.
1:25:49
Speaker 5: Right.
1:25:50
Speaker 3: You can't talk about the trigger issue. You can't talk
1:25:53
Speaker 3: about the weakness. You can't talk about how do you
1:25:55
Speaker 3: handle how you handle this challenge, how do you handle
1:25:59
Speaker 3: this situation because you can't talk about the situation. You
1:26:02
Speaker 3: can't talk about the addiction in front of an addict,
1:26:04
Speaker 3: you can't talk about the crime in front of a victim.
1:26:07
Speaker 3: You'll notice I'm pretty comfortable with the topics of the
1:26:10
Speaker 3: things that are my past traumas. I might stumble a
1:26:13
Speaker 3: little when I talk about them and everything, but I
1:26:17
Speaker 3: don't accept the idea that my perpetrators keep get to
1:26:20
Speaker 3: keep victimizing me from my entire life by making me
1:26:23
Speaker 3: traumatize every time the subject is brought up. I refuse
1:26:26
Speaker 3: to have that happen. I refuse to allow that today
1:26:29
Speaker 3: doesn't belong to them. It's mine and they can't have it.
1:26:33
Speaker 3: So there, but it does a great disservice to everybody
1:26:37
Speaker 3: involved when you create spaces like imaginary spaces. This classroom
1:26:43
Speaker 3: is now a safe space where the most important parts
1:26:46
Speaker 3: of the topic that you're discussing are off limits, but
1:26:49
Speaker 3: the shame and the blame are still there. It's useless.
1:26:53
Speaker 3: It's a waste of money, and we're spending millions, if
1:26:56
Speaker 3: not billions, doing this because of DEI talking about how
1:27:01
Speaker 3: to handle conflicts without violence when you're when you're dealing
1:27:06
Speaker 3: with your own comrades. We're talking about gender, normativity, We're
1:27:10
Speaker 3: talking about social status and social norms, socio economic status, race, disabilities,
1:27:16
Speaker 3: everything but religion, because religion is not a permissible topic. Intersections, intersectionality.
1:27:22
Speaker 3: We're talking about oppression, power dynamics, we're talking about gender,
1:27:28
Speaker 3: we're talking about discrimination, and again, like this, none of
1:27:34
Speaker 3: this is necessary for discussing the specific issues at hand, and.
1:27:40
Speaker 1: If anyone has come to this channel because of past
1:27:42
Speaker 1: traumas they have at the hands of female perpetrators. I
1:27:45
Speaker 1: understand where you're coming from, and we are here for you,
1:27:49
Speaker 1: but I hope you're not here just to just to
1:27:56
Speaker 1: indulge in that trauma. Are here to talk about the
1:28:01
Speaker 1: legal issues and these socio political issues that have landed
1:28:07
Speaker 1: us in this predicament. Revenge is not the answer. I know,
1:28:12
Speaker 1: it seems like there's nothing that can possibly free you
1:28:15
Speaker 1: from that trauma other than revenge, but it's not the case.
1:28:18
Speaker 1: It's never been the case. Revenge is not a virtue,
1:28:22
Speaker 1: it's a vice. So if you're here for the sake
1:28:25
Speaker 1: of revenge, I hope we can bring you to the
1:28:29
Speaker 1: other side where you can. I'm quite sure how to
1:28:31
Speaker 1: finish that sentence, but you know what I mean, Revenge
1:28:34
Speaker 1: is not the answer.
1:28:35
Speaker 3: A different idea of revenge than a lot of people.
1:28:38
Speaker 3: Because of my religious beliefs, you know, there's a even
1:28:43
Speaker 3: though I don't necessarily attribute human behavior to other entities,
1:28:52
Speaker 3: so like I'm not saying the devil made them do it, right,
1:28:55
Speaker 3: but I do recognize that when you think in terms
1:28:59
Speaker 3: of a creator and a destructor, because if you look
1:29:03
Speaker 3: at the descriptions of God and the devil in the
1:29:06
Speaker 3: Bible and in various other religions, good entities or positive entities,
1:29:12
Speaker 3: entities that are worshiped and loved versus entities that are
1:29:16
Speaker 3: hated or feared, there's always that there's a creator and
1:29:20
Speaker 3: a destructor, and a destructor destroys for the sake of
1:29:24
Speaker 3: spiting the creator and hating the creator. And even in
1:29:28
Speaker 3: fictional religious histories, like if you read the Silmarillion, that
1:29:33
Speaker 3: you know that same dynamic of harmonious creator that had
1:29:38
Speaker 3: all of life in harmony and the disharmonious destructor that
1:29:43
Speaker 3: wanted to go a different way and was vain and
1:29:45
Speaker 3: angry that the Creator didn't follow and so took it
1:29:49
Speaker 3: upon himself to become a destructor. My view of of
1:29:56
Speaker 3: I don't want to say necessarily supernatural, because if nature natural,
1:30:00
Speaker 3: then nature's creative is also natural. But for lack of
1:30:04
Speaker 3: a better term coming to mind, just think of it
1:30:06
Speaker 3: that way. Divine. You know, whatever good and evil, I
1:30:09
Speaker 3: consider it a great revenge against that which celebrates destruction.
1:30:15
Speaker 3: If a wrongdoer, a person who does great harm, a
1:30:18
Speaker 3: person who's loss and on that destructive path, gets removed
1:30:22
Speaker 3: from the path of destruction and is redeemed. That's a
1:30:26
Speaker 3: bigger revenge than anything that could be done to that
1:30:29
Speaker 3: person to get back at that individual for that behavior.
1:30:33
Speaker 3: To me, it's infinitely better. I can't even think of
1:30:36
Speaker 3: another number big enough to say how many times better
1:30:40
Speaker 3: if that person is redeemed and becomes a functional, non
1:30:45
Speaker 3: violent individual within a community, member of a community that
1:30:48
Speaker 3: can engage with their community, just like anybody else with
1:30:51
Speaker 3: a job, and maybe or maybe not a family, maybe
1:30:55
Speaker 3: or maybe not a social group, but somebody who's interaction
1:30:59
Speaker 3: with their community is at worst neutral and at best benevolent,
1:31:04
Speaker 3: beneficial mutually. So that's the best revenge from my perspective.
1:31:09
Speaker 1: They say the best form of revenge is success, success
1:31:13
Speaker 1: for its own sake, so that you can succeed in
1:31:15
Speaker 1: life and then you can rub your success in the
1:31:18
Speaker 1: noses of those who wronged you. But even that is
1:31:21
Speaker 1: even that is sort of living for the wrong reason,
1:31:24
Speaker 1: because success should be for its own sake. If you're
1:31:27
Speaker 1: doing it for the sake of anything else, then it
1:31:30
Speaker 1: sort of means nothing. It means less than it's contingent
1:31:34
Speaker 1: on someone else's suffering. The best form of it. Yeah,
1:31:38
Speaker 1: the best form of revenge, if you even want to
1:31:40
Speaker 1: call it that. The best form of retribution, I should say,
1:31:43
Speaker 1: is to succeed for your own sake. And then when
1:31:46
Speaker 1: the person who wronged you turns up one day and goes, oh, man,
1:31:50
Speaker 1: I can't I can't believe you succeeded in life while
1:31:53
Speaker 1: I lost. The best thing you can say in response
1:31:55
Speaker 1: is sorry, who are you? If you just forget? If
1:31:58
Speaker 1: you just forget who it was who wronged you. And
1:32:01
Speaker 1: I'm not even talking about forgiveness, because That's what Jesus
1:32:04
Speaker 1: was on about, And yeah, I understand the advantages of forgiveness.
1:32:08
Speaker 1: Forgiveness is not to render the guilty innocent. Forgiveness is
1:32:12
Speaker 1: for your own sake so that you no longer hold
1:32:14
Speaker 1: a grudge that that eeches into your own psyche.
1:32:18
Speaker 3: But that's heavy.
1:32:20
Speaker 1: This is what I'm talking about.
1:32:21
Speaker 2: You.
1:32:22
Speaker 1: You should succeed. You should succeed for your own sake
1:32:25
Speaker 1: so that you completely forget whoever it was who wronged you,
1:32:29
Speaker 1: so that so that if they, if you ever do
1:32:31
Speaker 1: see them, you go, who the hell even are you?
1:32:34
Speaker 1: I don't even remember you? Doesn't matter anymore. I've moved on,
1:32:37
Speaker 1: And that's that's what it's about. It's about moving on.
1:32:40
Speaker 1: You don't, you don't. You don't find a future by
1:32:42
Speaker 1: fixing the past, is what I'm saying. Yeah, you just
1:32:46
Speaker 1: find a future.
1:32:47
Speaker 3: For instance, Yeah, my female perpetrator that I talked about,
1:32:51
Speaker 3: you know, I got a chance to learn how she
1:32:55
Speaker 3: changed as she grew up, and there was quite a
1:32:59
Speaker 3: bit of reform there. And I happened to know her sister,
1:33:03
Speaker 3: and I had some conversations with her sister about, you know,
1:33:09
Speaker 3: sort of finding out if she'd been victimized as well.
1:33:13
Speaker 3: And I learned that there there was a certain point
1:33:16
Speaker 3: at which I had put a stop to what she
1:33:19
Speaker 3: was doing to me because I got healthier, I got bigger,
1:33:21
Speaker 3: I got stronger, and I fought back And that in
1:33:25
Speaker 3: and of itself was traumatic, but it was necessary because
1:33:28
Speaker 3: I didn't have the pathways I should have taken to
1:33:31
Speaker 3: put a stop to it. And so I talked to
1:33:34
Speaker 3: her sister quite a bit about the situation and about
1:33:38
Speaker 3: her personality and what changes had taken place. And that
1:33:42
Speaker 3: was pretty much when I developed my understanding of what
1:33:45
Speaker 3: the best revenge is. She's not even the same person anymore,
1:33:49
Speaker 3: Like I can't imagine her doing something like that now,
1:33:52
Speaker 3: And according to her sister, the person that she was
1:33:56
Speaker 3: at that time doing those things disappeared and was almost
1:33:59
Speaker 3: like she flipped personalities and never went back to the
1:34:03
Speaker 3: old one. And so not that that is a method
1:34:06
Speaker 3: I would use to cause that change in people on
1:34:08
Speaker 3: a regular basis. I'm sure there would have been better ways,
1:34:11
Speaker 3: But for me personally, that was a bigger victory than
1:34:15
Speaker 3: seeing someone go to jail, or seeing someone get beaten up,
1:34:19
Speaker 3: seeing someone losing life, Seeing her change dramatically and never
1:34:26
Speaker 3: be that person again like that made a huge difference
1:34:29
Speaker 3: for me. It tells you there's still good in the person,
1:34:32
Speaker 3: and it's not that person's not the monster under the bed, right,
1:34:36
Speaker 3: that person is a twisted child that can be untwisted
1:34:41
Speaker 3: and not be scary ever again. And there's just something
1:34:45
Speaker 3: there's just something more comforting about that. Then I got
1:34:50
Speaker 3: the idea of I got a little of my own back,
1:34:52
Speaker 3: like I'd rather have. I'd rather have the knowledge that
1:34:56
Speaker 3: that person's never going to be scary like that again.
1:34:58
Speaker 3: A person's ever going to be damn imaging and dangerous
1:35:00
Speaker 3: that way again. Then to get a ton of my
1:35:04
Speaker 3: own back, No, I don't know. Maybe that makes me weird,
1:35:07
Speaker 3: but that's just the way I feel about it. In
1:35:09
Speaker 3: any case, we are at the nine o'clock hour, so
1:35:13
Speaker 3: I'm gonna for at least where I am. I think
1:35:16
Speaker 3: I probably ought to call this. We don't necessarily have
1:35:19
Speaker 3: to go through every single one of these, but I
1:35:21
Speaker 3: think you guys get the gist that we're repeatedly seeing
1:35:24
Speaker 3: intersectionality in all these and DEI topics like gender identity
1:35:31
Speaker 3: and gender dynamics, discussion about oppression, power dynamics, and stuff
1:35:36
Speaker 3: like that. None of that belongs in this type of training,
1:35:39
Speaker 3: and the training can exist independently of that. So all
1:35:43
Speaker 3: these feminist groups that are out there lamenting that this
1:35:46
Speaker 3: type of training is just going to go away and
1:35:49
Speaker 3: never come back because DEI has has been it's been
1:35:53
Speaker 3: mandated that DEI be removed from it. They're full of crap.
1:35:57
Speaker 3: That's not the way things are, And I think I
1:36:00
Speaker 3: think that this can all be redesigned or streamlined to
1:36:05
Speaker 3: eliminate the unnecessary shit and just focus on what it
1:36:08
Speaker 3: actually takes to prevent this type of interpersonal violence among
1:36:13
Speaker 3: comrades in the military. Either you guys have anything else
1:36:16
Speaker 3: to add to that, I think, yeah, that's a distinct possibility.
1:36:20
Speaker 3: Because Lar gets up.
1:36:22
Speaker 1: Pretty early, and I've said all that, I probably should.
1:36:25
Speaker 3: Say, all right, Well, in that case, I will just
1:36:28
Speaker 3: briefly show you next week. I believe this is the
1:36:31
Speaker 3: thing we're going to be talking about one of these Yeah,
1:36:35
Speaker 3: I believe it's this one. Yep. So there's a couple
1:36:37
Speaker 3: of different research things that I found. Because when we
1:36:41
Speaker 3: go back to the original first page here, you'll notice
1:36:44
Speaker 3: that there are twelve thirteen, thirteen grants listed on this page.
1:36:49
Speaker 1: There.
1:36:49
Speaker 3: We're also grants listed under the sexual harassment search. We
1:36:53
Speaker 3: paid American taxpayers for research into these topics, and we've
1:36:58
Speaker 3: paid for research into these top looks over and over again,
1:37:01
Speaker 3: and the Department of Justice has done research, the Department
1:37:06
Speaker 3: of Health and Human Services has done this research, the
1:37:09
Speaker 3: Department of Education has done this research. And unfortunately, we've
1:37:12
Speaker 3: also spent money through the Department of Defense to do
1:37:17
Speaker 3: this type of research. So that's what we're gonna look
1:37:19
Speaker 3: at probably next week, unless something comes up that I
1:37:22
Speaker 3: think is more important to talk about right now, that'll
1:37:27
Speaker 3: be our topic. So with that, we have one super
1:37:31
Speaker 3: chow from Meredith g. She gave us ten dollars and said,
1:37:34
Speaker 3: HBr talk three fifty six honey for the Badgers. And
1:37:38
Speaker 3: I don't think we got any rumble rants or super
1:37:43
Speaker 3: chats that I'm aware of. I did not see any
1:37:47
Speaker 3: super chats go by anyway on the kind of was
1:37:50
Speaker 3: watching their eystream chat and didn't see any, so I
1:37:53
Speaker 3: think that is it. Thanks everybody for listening. This is
1:37:57
Speaker 3: kind of a gross topic. I know it could be worse.
1:38:02
Speaker 3: There's other things we've talked about that are equally gross.
1:38:05
Speaker 3: We've done whole shows on the topic of abortion, for instance,
1:38:08
Speaker 3: So there you go. Whether you're a pro or con,
1:38:11
Speaker 3: the actual procedure itself is pretty gross in any case,
1:38:14
Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to it. Thanks to my two co
1:38:16
Speaker 3: hosts for talking us out with me, and thanks to
1:38:19
Speaker 3: Brian for all your help. Like I said, I'm not
1:38:22
Speaker 3: at all set up to do the vertical stream. I'm
1:38:26
Speaker 3: the old person following falling behind on technology where that
1:38:30
Speaker 3: that is considered.
1:38:31
Speaker 1: Hello to the Special Chat. By the way, I don't
1:38:33
Speaker 1: keep up with the special Chat. Thank you for everyone
1:38:36
Speaker 1: who said special things in the special Chat. I love
1:38:39
Speaker 1: bit at.
1:38:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, there does seem to have been some discussion there.
1:38:43
Speaker 3: I missed a little more of that than I did
1:38:46
Speaker 3: the other chats. I'm watching three different chat windows though,
1:38:50
Speaker 3: so to be fair, while I'm talking and watching the
1:38:54
Speaker 3: other computer screen that has my subject matter. So so
1:39:00
Speaker 3: there you go.