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Episode 301: First Contact & The Lost Tribe (SG-A 5.10 & 5.11) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Yeah, into Gate episode three hundred and one, three oh one. Well,
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  Speaker 1: we gonna have some fun over the next couple of
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  Speaker 1: We got a three O two. We got a three
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  Speaker 1: O two.
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  Speaker 2: Mister Ward, what, No, that's three oh three? I'm thinking
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  Speaker 2: of Yeah, that's a different band.
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  Speaker 3: Is that?
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  Speaker 1: I think? Why did three oh one? Three or two
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  Speaker 1: make me think? I'm thinks thinking of ships? Right? Is?
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  Speaker 1: What are the ships called?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: You went to stargate God forbid? Why would you do that?
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  Speaker 2: What did you talk about that?
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  Speaker 1: No, you're right.
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  Speaker 2: Three oh one was the.
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  Speaker 3: Was the one that uh O'Neal and Tilk were stuck in?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the glider that we tried to read the proto
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  Speaker 2: tang yep.
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: Well, this is a prototype for a new chapter of
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: the podcast. It's not we're talking Stargate Atlanta's season five episodes.
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: We're talking a plural here now, based on how the
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  Speaker 1: first of the two ended. I'm trusting this was the
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  Speaker 1: prison finale and the mid season premier. What do they
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  Speaker 1: refer to that one? Just to come back? It doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: First Contact and the Lost Tribe Episode ten and eleven
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  Speaker 1: of season five. My name is Mitchell Lewis, and joining
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  Speaker 1: me Matty Gibson. So yeah, well see I went for
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  Speaker 1: more and you just went standard and I like it.
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  Speaker 1: What was I? Who was I trying to be? After
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  Speaker 1: three hundred plus episode two? Am I trying to be? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: When have I ever been formed?
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  Speaker 1: We are the same pigs you've been listening to for years.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, we'll get into it. But you couldn't.
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  Speaker 2: You couldn't pig completely.
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  Speaker 3: This episode because your your girlfriend wasn't there, your pig,
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  Speaker 3: your girlfriend Laren wasn't there.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, right to try to try to right, I could
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  Speaker 1: have had both my girlfriends on screen.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that hand gesture was a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Now I have to make this into a video to
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  Speaker 1: prove that it actually wasn't a lot. God damn you
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  Speaker 1: most of our audience. I thing finding this through an.
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  Speaker 3: Audiodum, how I'm only figuring this out on episode three
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  Speaker 3: hundred and one.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So we got the old scene up seas, and.
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  Speaker 3: I knew you wouldn't let me do it for the
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  Speaker 3: for the for the opening credits that we like the
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  Speaker 3: opening sound.
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  Speaker 2: But I do have I do have, I do have
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  Speaker 2: different music for you. Oh what for what's the fish?
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  Speaker 2: It's a bed. I've got a new bed for you.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's a technical term in the industry. Guys. It's
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  Speaker 1: a bed.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds a little bit ssual. But what is this?
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  Speaker 2: You don't ask, just read?
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  Speaker 1: Is this the First Contact theme?
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  Speaker 3: Is that?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I just remembered what the episode.
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  Speaker 2: Was titled to, right, Okay, go slow goes live for
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  Speaker 2: long long in a.
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  Speaker 1: Word, I can see, God damn you is this going
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  Speaker 1: to run for both synops? Because you know how like
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  Speaker 1: to stop and then restart.
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  Speaker 2: Keep going?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, First Contact Atlantis encounters a mysterious alien race when
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  Speaker 1: doctor Rodney McKay and a visiting doctor Daniel Jackson stumble
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  Speaker 1: upon the secret lab of a rebellious ancient scientist themed
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  Speaker 1: Janus Genus the Lost Tribe, with the dentalist under siege
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  Speaker 1: doctor Daniel Jackson and Rodney McKay, suddenly not having his
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  Speaker 1: doctor at the start like you did in the first synopsis,
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  Speaker 1: try to keep a reactivated ancient weapon from triggering a
• 3:32
  Speaker 1: cataclismic chain of events. Now I know that part. That
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  Speaker 1: was perfect with the build, mate, I'm a professional.
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  Speaker 2: Look at you don't ever even heard this song before?
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  Speaker 1: No, but it's like I could feel it and ironically
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  Speaker 1: I stumbled on the word. Now I saw the first
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  Speaker 1: half first time.
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  Speaker 2: Let it go, let it go, just, let it go.
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  Speaker 1: Just this is the longest, that's one in history.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not getting it. That's why for this this is.
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  Speaker 3: Jerry and Joel Goldsmith Brendan at the start of the season.
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  Speaker 1: With Where's It From? Did continue a whole Where's It From?
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  Speaker 2: About Jerry and Joel?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Where From is music composed.
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  Speaker 2: By Jerry and Joel golds Okay.
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  Speaker 1: For First Contact, you introduced me to the term drawing
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  Speaker 1: a long.
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  Speaker 3: Where is this from First Contacts? It's giving Jurassic Park
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  Speaker 3: as well.
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  Speaker 1: I I love the Golds don't know, I think quite
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  Speaker 1: John Williams Tarrett Now it's great. You know, I do
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  Speaker 1: hear that. I do hear that in the Yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 1: sorry two six.
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  Speaker 3: Apologies to the Spotify overlords. We're not getting monetized for
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  Speaker 3: this one.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the week rude.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe you can buy back one.
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  Speaker 2: Hold on a second, it's two. It's a double episode,
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  Speaker 2: so I get six.
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  Speaker 1: Right, that's that's ever been a rule? Now Part one?
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  Speaker 1: I know that First Contact that had Martin Guiro written
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  Speaker 1: as the writer was also the writer of Part Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He wrote both parts and parts you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, both.
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  Speaker 3: Episodes written by Andy m directed by Andy mckeeters.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, nice, Well, I mean I think even by the
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  Speaker 1: time Martin Guiro's credit came up. I'm like, I think
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  Speaker 1: they already like the way that this is flying when
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  Speaker 1: we were mere minutes in. But yeah, like, I what.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think?
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  Speaker 1: Oh haw? Fitting that it was the Daniel Jackson one. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I had no idea what to expect out of this
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  Speaker 1: like that. The the name First Contact the Lost Trap
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  Speaker 1: means nothing, means nothing to it gives sort of nothing away.
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  Speaker 1: First Contact what with aliens, That's kind of what they
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  Speaker 1: do in every second episode to find someone new, but
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  Speaker 1: very much in anyone who sees our.
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  Speaker 2: Almost like it's their prime directive.
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  Speaker 1: It's not technically specifically and only related to Star Trek.
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  Speaker 3: Correct, But buddy, sorry, General order one is that what
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  Speaker 3: it is?
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  Speaker 1: Buddy?
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  Speaker 2: First contact? Is there General order one?
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  Speaker 1: Man, I'll catch you, I'll give you six and you're
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  Speaker 1: on four. Any general one is what Hammond said. I
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  Speaker 1: don't I don't remember very similar and anyone that's saw
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  Speaker 1: like Patreon my little early reaction video. I had to
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  Speaker 1: film it during the credits, because Daniel Jackson getting beamed
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  Speaker 1: in was very, very similar as a feeling to me
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  Speaker 1: when Teal walked through the gates in the Midway. I
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  Speaker 1: just did not expect it. And at least with Midway
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  Speaker 1: that was like chronologically before continuum, whereas now that continuous
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  Speaker 1: passed for all I know, that's it for the SG
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  Speaker 1: one team. Daniel Jackson shows up, He's referring to Landry
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  Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff, so it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: of course the story is going on, we just don't
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  Speaker 1: need to see it anymore. But that was awesome, And like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I've had my issues with Jackson in this
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  Speaker 1: particular rewatch, I found myself getting a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: frustrated with him and giving him less and less breathing room,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when he's becoming a bit of a douche.
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  Speaker 1: But it was still, I don't know, a ninth breath
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  Speaker 1: of fresh air. And I think what I needed Daniel Jackson,
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  Speaker 1: or rather for Daniel Jackson, was to put him next
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  Speaker 1: to McKay and then all of a sudden, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, Daniel's actually not that annoying comparatively like
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  Speaker 1: and I love I love riding a big shot out
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  Speaker 1: to Terry, who's a friend of ours who recently watched
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  Speaker 1: the entirety of the Stargate franchise, not just Atlantis franchise,
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  Speaker 1: and I want to say about six weeks now, they
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: probably had respect thousands of people listening to us right
• 7:37
  Speaker 1: now that are like, it took you six weeks to
• 7:39
  Speaker 1: get through seventeen seasons of teen.
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  Speaker 3: There's that great meme from is It This is forty
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  Speaker 3: where Paul Ruddin has his daughter in the back of
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  Speaker 3: the car and she's like, oh, I watched so many
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  Speaker 3: episodes blah blah blah, and.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, you can't do that. That much TV will
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  Speaker 2: rot your brain.
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  Speaker 3: It worked out to like someone did the math and
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  Speaker 3: they're like, that's that's three episodisodes a day. I've done
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  Speaker 3: casual watching this. I no, right, that's more intense than that.
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  Speaker 1: Three episodes of our long TV A day is when
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: you don't want to watch a movie that goes for
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  Speaker 1: two hours and ten minutes because it goes too long,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that's just what you do as an alternative viewing. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So she did great shout out to her because her
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  Speaker 1: two favorite characters were I mean, she loved Daniel Jackson,
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  Speaker 1: very easy in the eye, she said, and loved McKay
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  Speaker 1: obviously Mamoa as well, but she's like she she didn't
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  Speaker 1: really gel with the whole Atlantis thing and she said that, yeah, mama, and.
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  Speaker 2: Once we left obviously love that obviously.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, post season three it was just all downhill. And
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  Speaker 1: then you didn't really buy into the universe, she has,
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  Speaker 1: I'm really missing McKay ironically, so this I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Know she didn't buy into the universe.
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  Speaker 1: Oh right, I go. I'm very slow today. The idea
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  Speaker 1: that this episode, like I guess what Midway would have
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  Speaker 1: been for someone like Lincoln and what it might have
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  Speaker 1: been for Reeks had he have attached himself to Mamoa
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  Speaker 1: much like he did with Tilk. This was for Terry
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  Speaker 1: and people that love those characters to see these two
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  Speaker 1: and like a not a not really a buddy cop
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  Speaker 1: type thing, but just on this yeah exploration, Yeah, trying
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  Speaker 1: to figure some shit out type adventure. And yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: loved this this double part. It was a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 2: What I did love is we find it in this episode.
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  Speaker 3: What Daniel Jackson's middle name is his full name is
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  Speaker 3: doctor Daniel Petty Jackson.
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  Speaker 1: I think of something, really, I always do.
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  Speaker 3: I tried that they ZAPPI when you touch them, you
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  Speaker 3: could have torn up before I touched it.
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  Speaker 2: I could have guessed.
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: There was so much of that going on, and it's
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: so hard when there, I mean, especially Rodney. Rodney would
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  Speaker 1: do like he's just you know, I've been so furious
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: at Rodney over the last season and a half and
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: even more recently with his kind of sort of thing
• 9:52
  Speaker 1: happening with Keller and once they sort of established it,
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: hey are we do we have this sort of funny
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  Speaker 1: unspoken thing between us. The very next episode he was
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: such a condescending prick to her when they when they
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: got when the ship had the issues with it was
• 10:06
  Speaker 1: that with the introduction to the we are three point
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  Speaker 1: oh or whatever, you know, when they sort of got
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: suspended and they hit the gate in orbit and oh yeah.
• 10:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, goes to the machine.
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  Speaker 1: Goes to the machine, right, And it was that episode,
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  Speaker 1: and he was just such a dick to her at
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  Speaker 1: the start, trying to like she's asking him basic questions
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  Speaker 1: that anyone that doesn't understand this stuff would ask, and
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  Speaker 1: he was.
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  Speaker 2: Like, oh, it really is that what you think, Like, dude.
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  Speaker 1: Be lucky that she's showing any interest in you, right,
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  Speaker 1: I think she's into that.
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  Speaker 3: Well maybe he likes that kind of stuff, because if
• 10:34
  Speaker 3: you think about it in this it's like Ronan's like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: do you want to grab some lunch and he's like
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  Speaker 3: looking after and being nice and she's like, I'm kind
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  Speaker 3: of into somebody.
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  Speaker 1: Which is so funny, right, So like Mamoa comes along, Roan,
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  Speaker 1: I only need to claim Roan. Ronan comes along, which
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  Speaker 1: is so great. Actually, when she goes to leave and
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: McKay's like, hey have fun check we will is what
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: do you mean? We was just sorry? Ronan's just giving
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  Speaker 1: him a look like yeah, yeah, I'm going to be
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  Speaker 1: with her so far away from We're gonna be light
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: years away. Mate, you have no idea. And he's gone
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  Speaker 1: around using braun, just shooting ship and punching shit, taking
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  Speaker 1: the ship back by force. Got it done. And even
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: she said at the end, if it wasn't for you,
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: we'd probably all be dead because that was just part
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: of the domino effect of saving the day had you
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: not have been there on the dad list, and we
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: don't get the deadlist back the way that we do,
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: which then help this and blah blah blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 3: So note and I'll put a pin in this. We'll
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  Speaker 3: talk about it later when you fish. Point, John Shephard,
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  Speaker 3: what's the opposite of MVP? He made everything worse?
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  Speaker 1: He was an also ran like he was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how to properly describe.
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  Speaker 2: It, but he also ran.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, race a horse race is something. It's also rans.
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  Speaker 1: But you were there, but you did nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Everything he did made things worse, Okay, And.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well I guess you needed that because of the
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  Speaker 1: way this season has been so far with with him
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  Speaker 1: being a messiah and and nothing can go wrong. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she acknowledges that he helped along the way. She had
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: problems when it was happening and telling him not to
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  Speaker 1: shoot stuff, and even he would do it, and he
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  Speaker 1: had this smirk on his face and things would then
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  Speaker 1: work out and even if it didn't, and then he
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  Speaker 1: was able to pull out the gun quick enough and
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  Speaker 1: fire it against the wraith and again take positive steps forward.
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  Speaker 1: And then McKay is someone who speaks down to her
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  Speaker 1: and treats her like shit on an intellectual level and
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, she is far more
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  Speaker 1: willing to accept what you just said. She might like
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: it being spoken to like she's nothing on an intelligence level,
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  Speaker 1: then for like recognizes like then for Ronan to just
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  Speaker 1: get very handsy and brawn and try to work things
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  Speaker 1: out with his muscles, and she she'd rather be spoken
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  Speaker 1: down to than be not listened to. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean. It's an interesting if you had to make
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  Speaker 1: the choice between the two, it's an interesting choice to me.
• 12:52
  Speaker 3: Have you ever heard the terminology golden a tree for
• 12:55
  Speaker 3: energy versus black cat energy?
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: Not versus black cat energy. But I've got roodles, and
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  Speaker 1: so there is there is golden retriever there, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: seeing that at the moment. What is it?
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  Speaker 3: Like relationships, there's a in most relationships, it's a one
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  Speaker 3: is the golden retriever is the black.
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  Speaker 1: Cat, which like what the mainly the fun the sort
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  Speaker 1: of something.
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  Speaker 3: Ronan is the golden retriever. He's just this big, dumb,
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  Speaker 3: beautiful dog that just wants affection and just like can
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  Speaker 3: I help, what can I do? Whereas McKay is the
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  Speaker 3: black cat. He's that don't touch me, get away from me.
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  Speaker 3: The way from no, no, the cat is withholding with affection.
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  Speaker 3: The cat is like no, no, no, no, so he Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he's the you know, the sarcastic, you know, sort of
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  Speaker 3: you know, making fun of you kind of kind of person,
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  Speaker 3: whereas Ronan is the big, loyal, beautiful, golden retriever.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Don't you just want to run your fingers through the
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 3: You just want to find that spot to make his
• 13:51
  Speaker 3: legs start doing the thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, that's a difference.
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  Speaker 1: Whoa, hey, that was me kicking. Not sure, it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: really make any difference.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, John on the on the stuff, he
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  Speaker 3: made things a thousand percent worse by getting in the
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  Speaker 3: travelers involved in stuff like that. Rodney and Daniel in
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  Speaker 3: the end actually rescued themselves like they managed to. They
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: managed to get out of their little cell that they
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: were in, managed to get into the suits, they got
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: back to the lab. If they'd gotten back to the lab,
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  Speaker 3: Rodney would have been able to shut down the Ataro device.
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  Speaker 3: But because John showed up in the Travelership, and while
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: the Travelership was fighting the ships in orbit, the main
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  Speaker 3: villain guy in the in the suit was the one
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  Speaker 3: that ran away with the ATERO device controller that they'd stolen.
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  Speaker 2: From Atlantis and right away.
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  Speaker 3: So it's like, if John hadn't have interfered, then Rodney
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  Speaker 3: and McKay would have, like Roddy, Rodney and Daniel would
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  Speaker 3: have rescued themselves.
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  Speaker 2: So once again John Shepherd.
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  Speaker 1: As in like they would still be able to overpower
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  Speaker 1: the people that would have remained. Yeah, you're predicting that, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: just agreeing with you. I'm just saying that I manage
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  Speaker 1: you shut down the device, change one thing and change everything, right,
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  Speaker 1: So if those people don't run away with the device
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  Speaker 1: that would turn it off, Yes, those people would still
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  Speaker 1: have to be there.
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  Speaker 3: The only reason that Daniel and Rodney had to go
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  Speaker 3: into that room with all the radiation and lightning is
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  Speaker 3: because the other bad guy took away the control. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: but he wouldn't have taken that control away if they
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: weren't being attacked in orbit by a traveler.
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  Speaker 1: Then he wouldn't be there. He wouldn't be gone either,
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: and the rest of them wouldn't be How many were left?
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: Was any handful of them there in the first place?
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  Speaker 2: Well, there was none really because he would have been him.
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  Speaker 1: Because so it's one case I'm agreeing with him. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: just making sure I remember the steps. So they would
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  Speaker 1: have had to have overpowered one as God, which big Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I kept saying, bad guys.
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  Speaker 1: We can get back to it, so they could overpower
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  Speaker 1: that one guy and then commandeer a ship.
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  Speaker 3: Well, no, because the Dedalus was already on a way.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: The Deadlist was there, was already on his way, remember.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they didn't know that.
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: No, but even without John interfering on the travelership, the
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: Dadalist would have arrived because it was the Dadalist that
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: beamed up Rodney and.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah and Jackson.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Would they have tried to have left before the Deadlist
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: got there if they would have successfully overpowered old mate
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: turned the thing off.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: But it happened at the same time because Rodney and
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: Daniel shut down the machine and then Daniel did that
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: weird fake out, Oh I'm dying, I'm really which no
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: one believes what of that, And then as Rodney was saying, oh,
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: it's been a pleasure working with the Deadlist being the money.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: But I'm just thinking, like, if they would have got
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: out they overpowered, they don't have to go into the
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: thing that hurts Daniel. So if they would go through overpower,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: they think the guy take the machine, turn it off.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: They're feeling good. They go, oh, now we need to leave.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: How do we get out of here? Let's go Commander ship.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: But they possibly before the Deadlist.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Like, but how long do you think that they were?
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: I'm literally asking petty questions.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they were a minute half away from being beamed
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: up by the Deadalists anywhere, you know.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I disagree with you. I'm just speculating. I'm
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: just like the idea in my own head. I'm I'm
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: seeing a time travel version of this where they go
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: back and they do like John doesn't show up, and
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: then we see what then happens? What's the alternate timeline
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: of this particular sequence of events, And it doesn't really matter,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: it's all coming.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: I agree with you, Yeah, because you think about it.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: If if John had been weir right and he could never,
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: he could never had been back on Atlantis. And it
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: was Zelenka that figured out how to track what planet
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: the the Asguard ship had gone to, which is where
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: we knew Daniel and Rodney were being held. All John
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: was trying to do was he wanted to get in
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: the jumper to tell the Daedalus where he was going
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: to be where to go and rescue them. That was
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: if that was weird, she would have done that, you know,
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: she would have found a way to communicate with them.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: And then the deedalist did a job because John's mister
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: action hero, he's got to get involved and made things worse?
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Is it is he the Indiana Jones of this particular
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Raiders of the Lost Ark In I guess you, Indiana
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Jones didn't make things worse? They say that in that
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Although isn't that a flawed argument? Now? Isn't that proved
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: to be a flawed argument? The argument, if you haven't
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: heard it, is that Indiana Jones played absolutely no part
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: in almost progressing the story of Raiders of the Lost Star,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Like every single mode where he discovered something, the bad
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: guys were about to discover it, and then they would
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: stop him and he would have to go to them. Yeah,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: like if you take him out of the story, basically.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: That the Nazi still would have found the thing, gone
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: to the thing, melted their faces on the guys.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Although I think and that was that a hang on?
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Was it a Big Bang theory that proposed that on
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: a more mainstream level or was it was it them
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: that disproved it.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: No, no, I no, they didn't disprove it.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, they brought it up.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because Miambi Alex's character brought it up to the
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Sheldon character and he his brain could right.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, it must be off the back of that, and
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: I've seen someone disprove it somehow. There's one particular event
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: again weird tangent. I'm sorry, guys. Yes, No.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: One of the things that they I know you hate
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: the show, but one of the things that they'd be
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: great is they actually had a timeline that something They
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: had the whiteboard out with a timeline and they were
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: talking about back to the future and whether or not
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: they're actually.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: The time safety words. So yeah, Margaret Thatcher hold that. Yeah. So.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: And also also for all the things that people Brendan
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: has said about were what happened at the end of
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: the first episode under John's watch the Stargate gets blown up.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Hang on, that never happened to weir.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Right, Okay, Well, if we're going to take people out
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: of situations, yeah, and see whether the events would have
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: happened anyway, is we'd are you suggesting we're at any
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: moment is not sending someone through the gate.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: The only reason they wanted to send someone through the
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: gates because John wanted to jump into puddle Jumper with
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: the team, and because he wanted to go and deliver
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: the message to the Daedalus.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what would we have done?
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Maybe he got a subspace relay or something. You know,
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: it was John wanting to activate Stargate. I mean, at
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: that moment, after the terror of Ice had been turned on.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know, I don't know if I'll
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: give that the law and order, you know, but.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: As far as the IOWAY is considered, and you know,
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: with all the stuff that Brennan went on about with
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: we're being responsible for the replicators and stuff like that,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: John was in charge of Atlantis while the stargate blew up.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: That happened on his watch. Sure, yeah, so that's on him.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Black and white. You're looking at that the IOWA.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: You're going to be like, John, you cost us a stargate.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Which I love at the end of the second part
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: and they go, oh yeah, the was it the deadlist?
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: So whichever was. Yeah, they're just back there, just picked
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: up a spare gate that was hanging around Midway surveying,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: just about to fixed and I'm like, you know what,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Like I feel like there was like a seasonal effect
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: when something would happen to the SG one gate early
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: in this entire franchise. Now within like a not a
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: two parter, but you know, it blew up right at
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: the end of the first part here. Yeah, so like
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: forty two minutes later of storytelling, they're like, yeah, we
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: just get another one.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Well because we have yeah, because they basically said, well,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: we had all those Midway Obviously, this insinuates that Midway
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: project has been abandoned, which sucks. So they're just like, oh, okay,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: well we're just we've got these bunch of gates in
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: the middle of the void between the two galaxies. So
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: we'll just pick one of those up and we'll reprogram
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: that and that'll be our new, our new stargate.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean very cool. They can just do
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: that and then just you know, make them Yeah, because
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: then adjustment.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: Because then you don't have Brandan and I arguing for
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: four and a half seasons about what the point point
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: of origin on that stargate should be. Yeah, because it's digital,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: they can just you know, they can do whatever they want.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Just reprogram it. Hey, Yeah, bloody digital age compared to
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: the analog.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: That's it exactly exactly.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Like we say janis Janis.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: It's Anus with the js.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Well, what if it was like a Jafar name and
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: it was j apostrophe Anusis.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, tis two twin sons that he had, you know,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: with aside from Ryak Janus and Jamacus or something like that.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry about Janis. We already used JaMarcus up. Yeah.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Well I talked about my my grade seven primary school
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: teacher who was He was a Mormon, Australian Mormons, different
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: to American Mormons. I believe that was much weirdness going
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: on there. But yeah, his last name was Johnston and
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: his first name was I think he was John Johnston
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: or something like that.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Thank your parents.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: He was called JJ or whatever, but he was mister Johnson.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: He had when I was in grade seven. He had
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: just had his thirteenth or fourteenth child. Sorry said those
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: numbers again, Yeah, thirteenth or fourteenth child, Okay, Yeah.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: And I believe that for more since but four were girls. Yep,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: the rest were boys.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: The girls just got like Felicity Amber, you know, every
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: single boy had to follow the family tradition of getting
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: a ja name.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Oh boy.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: So obviously they went through the John's, the Joels, the Jason's,
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff. But when you have like
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: nine or ten boys and they come from religious family,
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: they started getting into the Josiah and Yasiah, which is
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: weird because you have Josiah and Yasiah, but Yasiah was
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: spelt with a jay as well, so I'm presuming it
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: was just spelt the exact same way as Josiah, but
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: potentially has an apostrophe or it's just pronounced it. So
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: at a certain point they would have had to have
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: gotten to Janus.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Only if you ask nicely.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's a great way for them not
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: to have a fifteenth kid.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: But babies, yeah, Jesus. Yeah, they didn't use Jesus.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Strangely, Jesus when.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: They did the previously on and we get the bit
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: about yeah, there, you don't need to you don't need
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: to feed on humans anymore, and then they shore old
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: mate walking through the gate and they're like, you know, Janice, no,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: what are you doing? I'm going this way? And I'm
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: like immediately writing in my notes and like, who the
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: F is that guy?
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Can you remember Janus no sep Old Lady we are
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: when she went back in time.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: I assumed it once once they sort of pushed on
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: and they referred to that sort of timeline or whatever.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, okay, it's it's it's one of those
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: flashbacks or episodes where we did, you know, see some
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: of that which.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Janie was the ancient that helped Elizabeth Wiir when she
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: went back in time in season one, okay, yeah, to
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: redo the time because he.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Was a bit rogue as far as experiments going.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: So he was the one that rejigged the the z
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: z pms, so then instead of drawing power all at once,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: they drew power sequentially. Because remember the first time we
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: entered well in that in that alternate timeline reality, when
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: he would call it, the city failed and everyone died.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: So then Janis was the one that rejig the zz
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: PM so that when we went through in Rising, yeah,
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: we still had that one percent left of the of
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: the third zz PM. And then he's also the creator
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: of the time traveling puddle Jumper from s G one.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Oh yes, good to be king and all that kind
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: of stuff.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: I'm just missing, that's right. I remember actually you guys
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: referring back to that formula.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so in go back and watch before Us
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Leap mate, it's fantastic. Well, I so why we an
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: old lady Weir in a in a wig?
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: And that was that was the That was the famous
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: episode where we realized that for ten thousand years she
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: was with the MS because the other.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Ancient in that the head of the you know, ancient
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Councilor and Atlantis was Merlin. Yes, yeah, so it was
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Merlin and Januss.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I I was just a bit. I was
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: just I was a little bit worried when they when
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: they threw that into the previously I'm already I'm feeling behind.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Well apparently, according to the audio commentary, they actually had
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: McKay record an extra line saying Janus's name because in
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: the actual beforeest LXT episode that line didn't exist. Actually
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: got Hewitt Hewlett into the booth, made him record this
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: fresh line.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Did a little bit of Peacemaker season two.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah right, yeah, yeah yeah.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like you know, the whole cure thing and stuff.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: I'm liking how this is going. It's weird knowing that
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: this is, you know, the last season that I've always
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: known that. I'm sure at this point in time where
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: into the second half of season five, even the audience
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: would know by this point these are the last ten episodes.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Guys like try and enjoy them, but it doesn't feel
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: to me. And maybe it's because it is the continuation
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: of the original bad guy for this show, unlike SG one,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: where we've got the Gould, it's the goold for eight
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: seasons and then for what we now know was the
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: last two seasons of the show. It's like we're gonna
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: set up the Ari for like a season and a
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: half and then all of a sudden, we just really
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: had to hit go, hit finish and just wrap that
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: shit up within the next couple of episodes. But we're
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: not even going to feature them in every episode, only
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: every second one, because we've got some other stupid shit
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: to do with the likes of you know, VALA's dad
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: and all that kind of bullshit, where it just it
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: felt it felt so rushed at the end of SG one,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: and it was because you only had these guys around
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: for two seasons, but it just felt in a way,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: even though we got so much wrap up on so
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: much of the Gould or so many of the goould
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: it felt anticlimactic, whereas now I just feel like this
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: just feels natural, like the way that they're going. Even
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: if it's not so much that they're wiping all of
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: the wraith out, they may do that the next ten episodes.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I have no idea but that it's about the cure,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: and no, we're gonna want we want these We don't
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: necessarily want to genocide these evil pricks that have been
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: you know, terrorizing this galaxy for thousands and thousands of years,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: but we're going to make them unable to hurt us
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: in the same way that they always have. And it
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: just it feel like they've been drip feeding enough of that,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: They've been laying enough breadcrumbs along the way that this
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: feels at this point with ten episodes ago, it feels
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: like a natural point in the story, in that part
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: of the story that if that's how this show ends.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: And I know that they you know, it wasn't designed
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: or whatever the go was in maybe the riding, the
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: planning a lot sort of stuff, and they didn't get
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: their movie and how that might have wrapped things up.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm enjoying this. It feels like, I
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: think a calmer, more enjoyable ride to the finish as
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: opposed to SG one. Not that I hate season nine,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: not that I hate season ten, but I always feel
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: like it's when and I've only again watched it a
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: couple of times, but even thinking about it, I'm like,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: this just feels so I don't know, I lose something
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: watching those last two seasons because I know that they
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: start setting stuff up and then they end up having.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: To just sort of like wipe it. It's very strange
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: of a different spinoff. Yeah, it's SG one point five
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: type this sort of thing. Yeah, yeah, well, it's funny.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: In this episode, I'd forgotten about the the plot points
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: about the cure for the Wraith because it's kind of
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: dropped almost immediately because it's like, yeah, that's the whole
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: reason Todd can go and meet us, and then the
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: whole terror device sort of thing kicks in. But I
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: really did like the moment when when they're talking about
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: it and.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Todd goes, well, without.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: Feeding, what are we like that? It's because it's such
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: a core part of what a wraith is. It's like, well, yeah,
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: what would their culture become without the need to feed?
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Like that, which is such a crazy Like I sat
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: there and really thinking about that in that moment, I'm
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: like to ask you, just these bad guys, these these
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: vampire like blood sucking bad guys. But to you, okay,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: well it takes away what you've got to feed. And
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well throw that on like a human aspect,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: like okay, there's always arguments going on and should we
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: not eat meat, should we not kill animals around us?
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Should we look for alternatives if all of a sudden
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: we were unable to or forced to not eat meat
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: and we just had to go on to yeah, like
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: lab grown stuff or just completely the vegetarian vegan diet
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: where we're eating plants and stuff. Does that change who
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: we are as a culture? Does that or rather, does
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: it change who we are as a people? We don't
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: lose our purpose or anything like that. Whereas they have
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: such a need to feed it it has become them
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: in a way.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: I think it is if you want to compare it
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: this way, compare our culture two thousand years ago, five
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: thousand years ago, ten thousand years ago, where it was
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: we were cavemen. We were a hunter gatherer species, so
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: we were just out to survive where we're out to
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: survive and at one point and it was about just feeding.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: We just had to survive, which is what we're about
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: watching these guys. They're so advanced in technology or are
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: they able to use a lot of sort of technological advancements. Yeah,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: but on that aspect that you're bringing up, they're still
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: in our caveman days. We're just out here to get
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: an ex meal, live to tomorrow.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: That's the focus.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Side note though, if we did have to go like
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: full like vegetarian vegan, we're pretty close that, I reckon
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: I'd be okay with it. Like if you had one
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: of the like the the Impossible Burgers or like the
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: Rebel whoppers from Hungry fucking Delicious.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: There was one I had recently. I don't know where
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: it was from, and I'm like, yeah, you know what,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: I actually wouldn't have known otherwise. But outside of that
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Mate take away breakfast, there's barely be hard pressed to
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: namely the last meal that I had that did involve
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: meat on some level.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: Like for me, it's bacon facing Facon is no is
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: no substitute.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Facon's the greatest name of an alternative to what it's
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: trying to substitute there there is it's daylight second, but also, yeah,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: you know, I've never eaten facon, but I have.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Have you eaten cardboard? Very similar, very very.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Simp I've eaten pizzas that people say taste like cardboard,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: but they're wrong. But you always we'll pass again, like
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: that section of the supermarket, and they're just like, you know,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: salmon inspired, something land inspired.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, impossible, burgers in the States like a Disneyland
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: You cannot even tell sweet.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Okay. So they make a point early on. I don't
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: know whether it's just in whether Daniel. I think he
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: brings it up in the in the first episode, Yeah,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: he's like, why are they still wearing a mask?
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: They? What are they doing?
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: And then in the second one he makes a point
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: to them in the mask on you. I can't hurt
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: you clearly, and I'm here, what are you doing? Why
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: are you hiding? What are you having to disguise from us?
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: I could have watched a whole forty five minutes of
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: just Daniel, just Daniel and the as guard just talking.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole thing that was really cool.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: That was my favorite part of the whole two part
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: is yes.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: And that's like some old school SG one shit and
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: like they've done plenty of it in Atlantis and stuff,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: and as SG one went on, but that philosophical stuff
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: and and like you can't tell, okay, millions and millions
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: and millions of people genocide aside. The core of what
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: that has Guard and the group were doing was it's like, hey,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: we've exhausted all these other options. It's like, what about
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: the starget. We don't use stargates, Like what are these
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: other people? They don't concern us? What at the wrightth
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: where they're gonna kill us? At what we need to
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: kill them? And if it kills the other people through stargates,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: well we've never met them. So who am I to know?
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: You know, like I could go, I could you know,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: like just make a green light a red light, drive
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: through a set it and the next person behind me
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: that got caught that is therefore the first to go.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: They might then get killed because they're the first cartergo
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: as opposed to the second behind me. I would have
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: approached things differently.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Like it's almost it's a concern.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: But it's like, well, I'm unaware of that.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: You know, it's almost it's a passive it's a passive
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: form of what the replicators did.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: So the replicators went, well, the way to kill the
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: races that kill their food source, So we're going to
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: kill the humans in this galaxy, and then the wraith
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: web nothing to feed on.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a very active, aggressive.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: Way of doing it, whereas this way, these we're going
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: to just flick the switch.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: The wraiths are all going to die, and we don't
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: use star gets.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Not even intaneously. It's just like whenever they decided to travel,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: So they're either going to be stuck, like Roddy said,
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: They're either gonna be stuck out in their ships and
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: starve in the middle of space, or they're going to
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: activate their hyperdrii.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: It's can explode.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: And if all these stargate the people turn on their
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: stargates and those planets get destroyed, well that's their fault,
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: you know, that's it's Lisa and Bart Simpson. Well, I'm
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: going to start moving my hands like this, and if
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: you are.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: And like, let's be honest, there are how many stargates
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: would be in this entire galaxy. We only see one
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: blow up, we speculate that it would be bad if
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: more happened, and then we hear about, you know, from
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: the Travelers group that one happened in like their new
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: little settlement. They get a settlement going. It affected them,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: and that hurts us as a viewer because we know
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: that they haven't really held a base, like a planet,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: a land based settlement for a long time. So they
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: try to and then they get bitted in the ass.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: But how many others, like would have in the time
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: that it took them to understand what had happened when
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: it got flicked on to them fixing it, how many
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: others honestly, like just trading would have Like how many
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: other planets would have been destroyed?
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: I Mean, the timeline is vague, but I would say
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: it was at least a day, maybe two days that
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: the ATARO device was on, Like, yeah, imagine just how
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: many planets were just wiped out? Because yeah, like settlements
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: are typically built close to the stargate. And then it's like, yeah,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: well any of the space gates, Well that's fine because
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: the space skates are only ever like wraith darts coming
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: through those two feed Yeah, so yeah.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: What a great idea for a weapon like it's I mean,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: and how fast that sort of energy pulse essentially like
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: was able to go out there and affect all the
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: you know, whatever particles, whatever sort of elements and stuff
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: out there to go there and just and the visual
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: effect of that where Todd was like, now I'm going
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: to stay here, but you go off and you help
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: our brothers, you know, and whatever planet and you see
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: them the wormhole opens up and as they hit it,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: just yeah, and it just it held it for so long,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: and I was like, hot, that looks thing cool.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: That And the moment where the Asgard ship first arrives
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: on Atlantis and it and exit exits hyperspace.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and old mate that's just sitting there reading the
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: magazine and eating some chips. She's like, oh, okay, we've
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: had yeah, wormhole open and it's like I'm like, I
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: wanted more from him to go surface.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Level, yeah, atmosphere within the atmosphere.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Holy shit. Yeah. And then also when they then left
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Atlantis and they opened up the wormhole on the other
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: side of the shield, and then as they sort of
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: like hit you know, the jump, they started accelerating through
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: the shield and then hit the wormhole. On the other
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: side of it, I'm like, oh, these guys, because you
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: didn't know these guys to show up, they got shit done.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Aside from losing one of their own, they did not fail.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: They succeeded everything they tried and got the hell out
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: of Dodge like they they presented as someone very goddamn dangerous.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: That was a surgical strike. Yeah, so let's get into it.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: I've got a few little bits and pieces here for you.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: So basically, Martin Guiro was desperate. He had the idea
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: for this exo suit skeleton exosuit bad guy.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Originally the idea was going to be some kind of.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: Frail, really weak species inside, and they realized it was
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: going to be too expensive. And then that's when they came
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: with the idea of a practicality thing. They went, oh,
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: we have that as guard puppet, and then that's it came.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: So while Monk Gira was writing it, he was like
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: calling up the warehouse and because it had been like
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: two years or whatever since the ass guard puppet had
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: been used, and he was saying in it like every
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: time they would have to pull it out of storage
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: to cost him thirty or forty grand to you know,
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: redo the latex on it because it'd be broken West.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I need to get the ky.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: So they've called it up and like, okay, so what's
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: the situation, what conditions the puppet in And they were like, no,
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: it's great, it's working a little.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: We can ship it out to you and have it
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: there tomorrow.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: So he started writing the episode, you know, based on
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: things like and then added in the ass guard element
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: to it. So that's all great. The problem I have
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: is his reasoning wanting to do the exoskelets exo suit
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: bad guy in the first place.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: When you hire like a bad guy, like you know,
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: like a Michael or like David Ogden Steers or you
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: know Todd, they're always great, but then you have to
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: surround them with extras who are and blessed their hard
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: detailing people and terrible, terrible actors, and so there's it's
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: very hard to have like a bad guy that's menacing
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: when you know you're like, you're what the replicators are
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: the worst because you're walking down the halls and you're like,
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: these guys are all assassins. I can't don't buy it.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: So if you put them.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: In suits, what you can do is like, no matter
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: how awful they are, they're gonna suits are gonna do
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: all the work.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, what a dick. I mean, first of all,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: he's not wrong.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: First of all, if you hear in the background, that's
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: the opening credits of the first episode, that's how early
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: he got into that conversation.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: That's I was honestly wondering, like when I heard that
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: music of my like, Okay, where's this is this? The
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: end credits of episode one is the opening credits episode two, the.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: Opening credits of episode one. That's how early he got
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: into our extras.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Suck now.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: Jacob, who's on this podcast many many times. That's one
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: of his gigs. He's an extra. He just did an
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: episode of n CIS. He's done episodes of other shows.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: He was on that Oh God, what's Joshua Jackson? He
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: did that that cruise ship show where he was like
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: the doctor on the cruise ship. Jacob's in that. That's
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: what Jacob told me. A fantastic story about him actually
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: meeting Wilde Alderama, who's like the number one on NCI
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: Yes at the moment, how nice he was, how lovely
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: he was, how like the director actually came up to
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: him and like as a background actor in a diner,
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: giving him this whole subplot of like, Okay, well you're
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: talking with this girl because you're really nervous about meeting
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: this other girl that is going to come in later on, because.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: That's why you've got two cups of coffee. You've brought
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: her a cup of coffee. Blah blah blahlahlah blah blah.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: Gave him this whole big backstory, had a great time,
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: you know. And then you've got fucking Martin Ghiro and
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: I'm like, this is why the show got canceled, guys,
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: because you're pieces.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Of shit, your absolute pieces of shit. Couldn't stand it.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: And then he tries to throw shit around this shit
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: about this as well.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: Many emailed me and was like if they can put
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: bullets through it, how can they can't saw through it?
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: And I was like, well, the bullets much different.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Than I saw.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Bullets are much different than a saw.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: I think he should have just done the Ryan George like, hey,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: shut up, like yeah, because that makes I didn't even
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: think about that when it was happening, neither me neither.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: It wasn't until that was bot I was like, oh, Yeah,
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: well because I just thought, actually, I don't know what
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: I thought. I thought he read out of energy or
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: whatever the suit, like, because he was using his energy
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: up you know, for the shield or whatever. But yeah,
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: and then they couldn't cut through it later but yeah,
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: the bullets went through, and he's like, I don't I
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: don't think Gear understands the science part of science fiction
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: in terms of if you've got like a diamond tip saw,
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: you think P ninety rounds are getting through something that
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: a diamond tip saw is not getting through. Co mate,
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: and then if the P ninety put holes in the suit,
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: why would you not start cutting.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Insert there and try to expand that hole.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the suits are really cool. And then
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: come the end when Daniel and Rodney you are actually
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: wearing them. That looked cool because again, so much of
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: the show that they do a lot of practical stuff
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: and a lot of practical suits with you know, like
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: the Wraith walking around. It's not like it's a guy
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: in a green suit and they're sieging on you know,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: a whole body and long hair or anything. But there
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: was just something about seeing our guys wearing those suits
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: that just made it seem a lot more tangible that
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: those are real things, and like seeing them, you know,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: walk around, they were very frightening. Like you said, it
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: was clinical, it was tactical, surgical, but then seeing the
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: dead body laying there on the table while they're trying
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: to cut it open, I'm like, that looks really cool.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: And then when the as Guard got out of it,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: it looked even a different level of menacing because you're like, oh,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: how much size does this add to it? And then
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: later on and they're like, oh, no, it adjusts to
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: the size of the it's a one size fits all.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: And even that's it was just a great design, great
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: look like it looked very human. But also I was
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: when he said he was looking for maybe a week,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: you know, alien, some type of form, I'm like, it
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: could have been.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: The Furlings.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Well, honestly, at one point, I'm like, well, the fact
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: that these are the other as Guard because it has
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: where do they they originate from? Where do they originate.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: From the galaxy of Eider Yeah, right.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: So they're you know, there's there's they're spreading around a
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, But I'm like, it could like it
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: could have been the Furlings, you know, or even like,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: but I'm like.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: The fact that, yeah, the tie in the fact that
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: the reason their ships could punch through ancient shields is
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: because these as Guard were at a certain point part
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: of the Asgard who were part of the Alliance before,
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: so they they know as Guard shields, so they know ancient.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Shields frequency or something.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, could have could have been furlings.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Apparently they never say it in dialogue, but everything that
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: I've seen references this group of Asgard as the.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Veneer, the A N I. R.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: So that's kind of the sub subgroup. And then I
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: couldn't substantiate it. But I was trying to figure out
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: who was voicing because normally the voice of the as
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Guard is you know, a thing and you know they
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: get a little credit or you know, something like that.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: There was nothing I could see, but there was one
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: thing that popped up, and let me just.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Give you give you this little.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: Snippet and see if there's a hint in who who
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: I read this. They're saying, is the voice of the
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: main ass Guard.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Your Ascard.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: You've encountered on Cane before, No, not just encountered.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: I've worked with them.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: You can call a few of them my friends.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Indeed, So what is that like a theory?
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: So yeah, Christoph Judge, someone is saying.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Christopher Judge voiced the veneer.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Hmmm. I mean I'm not necessarily hearing it, but that
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: would actually be a fun way of like, hey, we're
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: not going to give you a credit, but this is
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: going to be like the Easter Egg of Easter eggs
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: in a way.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: Because it would have officially been the last time that
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Christopher Judge Michael Shanks worked together.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I couldn't substantiate that so on a you know,
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: I couldn't get real sort of hard facts on.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: That round might not be there. So yeah, I was wondering.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: I'm like, is it going to be like are we
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: really going to go out there? Is it going to
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: be some kind of like Okay, this is a very dumb,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: simplified way of saying it, but some kind of like
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: you know, air for like not the smoke monster from Lost,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: but something that doesn't hold physical form. Is it that
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: sort of creature.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: And they have to wear this the smoke monster from
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: like episode two of Atlantis, you know remember that, Wow,
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: that's true thing that was chasing the energy sources?
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, something like that. And that that's why I
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: had to wear an exo suit because it needed to physically,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: you know, encounter other people or the or the computer.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: But even that, Okay, So they turn it on unknowingly
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: just by walking back into the room, and there's just
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: some random as guards sitting out there in the ship
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: going yeah, let's go, let's tell everyone. I'm like, hasn't
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: this thing been off.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: For like, well, no, no, they were in Janice's lab. So
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: there was the secret Janics lab on Atlantis.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Where these guys, if they've found it.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: They've they've been living on that that ice planet and
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: that's Janus's secret laboratory where the terror device was. Right,
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: but they're just like, so they have everything there except
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: for that little key that was in janesis hidden line.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Just like it might not ever be found, it might
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: ever be turned on, but let's just in case.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Well they're well, they're there and they're probably trying to
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: figure out how to turn it on without that thing.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: And then obviously as soon as Rodney walks in and
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: his ATA gen activates the thing, they get the signal.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: It was just very quick to be like yeah, hey, yeah,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: we've got it. Let's go, like as if they were
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: just like at the ready waiting for that particular thing,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Like we're never gonna leave here unless this thing happened.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: So if I either yell know that we're going, like
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: go down that quick, we've got to go.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: Because they do say it's been like less than twenty
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: four hours after they found the lab. Yeah, those vineas
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: showed up and took that out. So yeah, it's i'll
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: tell you what, You're lucky though when it comes to
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: the Veneer, because there was a little bit of trivia
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: that I read, and even I would, like I said,
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: before draw a long boat, even I would not do this.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: But someone said, because like when the Asgard comes out
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: of his Alexo suit and he's got the little thing
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: on his head, a little bit of tech on his head,
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: and a little bit of tech on his chest that
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: was supposed to insinuettaes, it's like it's some kind of
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: like body technology to help them interface with the Exo suit.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: That was what Martin Guiro wanted them to look like.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: But if you look at the little piece on the
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: Vinier's chest, it's four little dots, four little blue dots,
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: and one of the pieces of trivia that I read
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: is oh, that's his ranking signia being four pips, much
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: like the captain of a starship in Star Trek. And
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: I was like, come on, guys, even I'm not gonna
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: pull some bullshit like that.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: That's ridiculous.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: If anything, it looked like like a like a general
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: or an admiral from Star Wars.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: It looks like one of the little sort of things
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: on there.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, straight up Imperials.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: The The other little nod to another very popular sci
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: fi show is and this is going to make you.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: You probably feel a little bit icky because it's about
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: your beloved Duell State. A lot of people are comparing
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Meela the little Traveler's engineer, the young girl. They're like, oh,
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: well that's Kaylee. That's Kaylee from five which is Keller,
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: which is Keller's character from Fifeline.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: But I don't, I don't.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: I don't think Matt Ghiro was smart enough to realize
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: that he was knocking something use off.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: You know, these these these Travelers are kind of ragtag.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: And I really wanted to do this idea that there's
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: just a kid, like a really young kid working in
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: the the engineering reproce. I've just to be funny to trap.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: You know, there's a anka with a with a kid
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: that you know knows a lot about hyperdrive technology.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: So yeah, he was, oh, just just a kid, you know,
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: a girl engineer in the inner ship. And I was like,
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: it's been done, mate, you mean you're at you actually
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: hired the actress who actually did that originally like eight
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: years ago, Firefly.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: It's like, I haven't seen that movie. It's like, dude,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: what do you what are you doing?
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Not a movie, it's a TV show.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Oh my god? He has no idea. Well, actually on
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: that I do you remember? Did you ever get your notes?
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Because I certainly write it down the head traveler that
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: did show up.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I didn't write down here, right, I just thought.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: She shows Yeah, Laren can't be here. She's very sorry,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, so the actress wasn't available.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: She was hosting Wipeout the US? Is that what she just.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: So like they kept bringing up like, yeah, she's really
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: sorry she can't be here.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah she was. If she was here, she'd really love this,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I was.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: I was, I was going, what is it?
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: Because in the same way the girl old used to
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: be like, oh, we're gonna go and steal the most
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: beautiful humans from the galaxy because they're going to be
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: the hosts for our symbians. I'm like, what is it
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: in the Traveler DNA where they suddenly just become leather clad,
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: gorgeous model like.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Women as the captains of all this? What kind of genetics?
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Like she was the beat on her face of like makeup,
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: she could have been walking a runway.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: She was a model.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: There's some strugglers for some people that, like when I
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: walked into the hyperdrives to the room, like this is
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: being held together by duct tape, and yet all of
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: them are just like beautiful people.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're their personal hygiene resources. Infinite, yeah, infinite. She's yeah,
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: she was. That's where I almost picked out. I was like,
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: oh my lord. And then I'm like, so, what's gonna
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: happen to this Mela girl, this Milago who was like
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: what fifteen or whatever. By the time she hits twenty five,
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: she's gonna look like a supermodel as well. You know,
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: it's like they're from the planet Tyra Banks America's next
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: top model or something like that.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: From the planet Victoria's Secret.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's it perfect.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: I really dug the cliffhanger of episode one of these
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: two episodes that we're talking about. I don't know.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: I feel like we did it before though, like it
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: in the middle of season three in the finale when
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: the Ancients come back and then the replicators kill them all.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: Remember the return part one and two, And the end
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: of part one is after you know, we've all been
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: sent back to Earth, Weir and Shepherd and Rodney and
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: Beckett steal the puddle jump part and then they meet
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: up with Taylor and Ronan. They managed to get into Atlanta,
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: into the Atlanta's control room, they dropped the bomb, then
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: back out through the window, and the last shot is
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: the whole control room Atrium gate room thing exploding. And
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: that's how this mid season finale ended as well, same thing.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: It ended on a shot of that room exploding.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was like, I think, and sometimes you
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: see things like that and when they go, oh, this
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: is how they get away with it, like, oh, yeah,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: that makes sense. Like in sc one say, they're like,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: this is about to blow up, and like can see
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: a little ring circle on the floor over there, it's
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: like three feet away, and then they cut away for
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: ten seconds and then yeah, to be continued like, oh,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: I probably just made it to the ring device.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: I'd completely forgotten about the destruction of the gate because
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: that was cool seeing like the shields sort of hold
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: it in and side. But yeah, I was like, how
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: did they survive? And I was like, Oh, they probably
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: just ran on to a puddle jumper and turn a
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: puddle jumper on and jump in the shields on behind
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: that or whatever.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's where the letdown was, right so
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: that I'm like, I wass thinking the same thing. It
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: was more so like they had nowhere to go. They
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: said there was nowhere. Okay. That was when the shield
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: was around the whole city, Like, we can't get far
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: enough away from this thing in a reasonable time that
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: we're going to survive. Okay, well, let's bring the entire
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: shields of the city down to just hold the gate
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: and that might be enough. And it wasn't going to
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: be enough. So if it wasn't going to be enough,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: these guys were absolutely toast cut to outside. Bang it
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: blows up. It's like, oh, I know they're not going
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: to die, but this is probably as close as as
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: I could be convinced because of the time difference between
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: seeing them absolutely helpless to then the thing exploding. I
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: was then I think, therefore let down. When they go
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: through and I'm like, oh, are they're going to be
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: in there? Did they like quickly transfer the shield or something?
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: You know, they could have done that because otherwise it
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: would have been a city wide thing. But did they
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: somehow borrow some of the energy to well, you enclose
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: that but then also enclosed just the two of us
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: or something. And it was like, now that is around
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: the corner.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we took cover. What yeah, what are you talking?
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: It just blew out that the floor of the of
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: the entire tower and you're just like under a desk.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: So I was i as because I rolled straight from
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: one endo another. I was like, oh cool, oh what
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: like just it didn't last.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: There's little things like that that pissed me off about
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: here because I'm like, I'm like that that's me being.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Richard.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: Danni isn't going best? You can do as we can do.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Because then also at the end when.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: Daniel and McKay kind of turn off the a Taro device,
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: Now one of the whole reasons they had to put
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: on the suit is not just because of the lightning
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: was in there, but they're talking about the high levels
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: of radiation that we're in there. But it's like the
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: second he turns off the machine, they both take the
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: helmets off, and I'm like, I don't know what kind
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: of made up radiation we're dealing with here, but I
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: feel like it needs a little bit more time to dissipate. Yeah,
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: before you guys can take those helmets off and be
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: absolutely irradiated.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: So I was just like, the best we can do.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually didn't think about that, to be fair,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: So that's that's my bad. But yeah, hey, look that
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: radiation very advanced, very very advanced.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very short half life.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think, like I was saying before, I
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: can see why the veneer as God would want to
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: do this and try to like keep themselves as guilt
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: free as possible on all the people that they were killing.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to them, it was acceptable losses. Yeah, like we
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: don't use stargates time.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: But I think maybe my feelings on it as a
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: viewer was seen on Rodney's face in the course of
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: maybe a second and a half right at the end
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: where they said, Okay, you know, we've turned the machine off,
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: so it's nothing's happening right now. The ray throughout they're
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: able to travel in light speed, the gates across the
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: galaxy are not blowing up. To everybody safe, We're all good,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: and they're like, cool, fire on that base and destroy
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: the weapon and just let McKay's face of like, but wait, what,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Like there was just a how can we not just
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: for a second consider maybe trying to figure out a
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: way where this doesn't happen? Can we just talk? And
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: it was like, no, we can't even take the risk.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: And I kind of like that approach of just being like, dude,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: this is something that we cannot mess around with and
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: low it up.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: That's classic mackay in that thinking he's smarter than the
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: ancients because Janice couldn't fix it. You know, he couldn't
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: figure any of it out, none of the ancients, you know.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: So but yeah, I mean that's like how they Then
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: they reference it vaguely in this episode where Daniel said
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: something about, you know, if it's going to blow up
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: a solar system, turn it off, which is obviously when
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: Rodney did blow up the solar system, good advice because
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: he thought he was smarter than the ancient ye. So yeah,
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: because he's like, I've got the control crystal, no problems,
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: and Wolvesy was like, no, no, make that, make it
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: go away please.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and you know it's it's I guess we
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: saw that through like the O Ry and then we've
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: seen it with the Wraith along the way, and there
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: are things that have or you know in SG one
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: where they're like, oh, we've discovered a particular serum or something,
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: you know, an herb somewhere and on a planet one
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: of our adventures that is the cure to all diseases
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: on Earth. It's like cool, So how is this not
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: going to work? You know, like you're going to introduce
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: this only to show that it's.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: The cure when we first find out about tritonin yeah.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're going to find a way that this
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: isn't as good as what it sounds like. And this
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: like potentially could have been. They could have kept this,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: they could have went, hey, we could destroy it, but
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: let's not. Let's think of a way where we can
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: utilize this, and we've got ten episodes left and let's
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: use it against the Wraith. Let's not go out there. Okay,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: We're gonna fix it. So it doesn't blow up gates.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: But what we are going to do is turn it
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: on so it kills all Wraith. We're going to warn
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: them all take this cure that we are providing you,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: or we're gonna switch this bad boy on. It's again,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: ha ha. I'm gonna swing my arms and if I
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: happen to walk into you, it's your own fault. We're
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: not trying to kill you, but there is something out
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: there that if you do try to travel at great speeds,
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: you will kill yourselves. Or you can take this thing
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: that won't kill you either, but it will stop you
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: from wanting to kill us. And they still didn't do that.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: They still felt the need to completely rite off what this.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: I mean you could you might be sitting the smirking
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: going three episodes too, though they find another one, but
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: not saying yeah, but still it's just like, well, yeah,
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: even like link I spoke to him when I was
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: watching it, I'm gonna watch this two part of it.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: He goes, oh, yeah, the what's it called the old
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: what's the device called.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: The Atero device?
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's oh, the the a Terra device. I'm like, yeah,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: you're telling the story, bro, Like I didn't pick up
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: on it were the first time I was watching it,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: you know, like there was obviously other things happening, you know,
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: with other people talking, other sound effects going on, but
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: like he was able to pick it up like that,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, so, it's like and it should be.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: This is a this is huge, This is like season ending,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: series ending type stuff. So it's a shame to have
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: been like, hey, we're gonna introduce it. Here's a multitude
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: of problems. We have to destroy it, and so I
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: kind of get it as opposed to being like, ah,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: this herb, it might make one in a million people
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: kind of sick, so we're just gonna leave it on
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: this planet and people have to die from cancer now
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: on Earth. It's just like, oh really, Whereas this felt
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: even though Ghiro wrote it, I felt like, yeah, you
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: provided enough reasons why it was amazing, provided enough other
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: reasons why it was a bad thing, and now I
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: understand why you have to destroy it. Yeah.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, I do have a little bit of a
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: little bit of info for you in terms of what
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: potentially could have happened had Atlantis gotten a season six.
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: Oh, let's let's let's be honest. Here, David gonna be
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: a bit of a cranky guy. You know, I love
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: him to pieces. He occasionally gets his crank on if
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: he doesn't get his sandwich at the right time. You know,
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: he does have a bl has a bludchering. So but
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: I don't think he will mind me saying. And when
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: I say I don't think he will mind, I mean
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: he will mind, but will never probably listen to this
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: is Uh, he kind of fell in love with Michael Shanks.
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: It was a it was a weirdly hu he really Uh,
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: these two guys got along like a house on fire.
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: I had never seen David had more fun. Yeah. David
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: talked about his experience with Michael for pretty much the
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: remainder of the year.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, every episode.
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: Well it was it was working so good that had
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: we done a season six, I think serious consideration would
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: have been put into figuring out how to get Michael
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: as a regular on the show.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Really, was that something I was actually talking about? It was, Yeah,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: he really was very I.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: Mean humor me, I think, and then it cuts out,
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: Oh what so obviously Martin Guiro said something and they've
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: had to impost been like and that part's getting it
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: out of the order.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: Now. It was so funny to see, like Michael Shanks
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: is an acting God, yeah, I'm not sorry, guys, five seasons,
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: I'm done and then have it come back to SG
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: one and then show up in a cameo episode of
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: the final season of SGA and they be like, actually,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: we're gonna bring you on as a regular for seasons. Yeah,
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: like got good to se him get work. But it's like, oh,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: he went like tried to leave, and then it's like, no,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: not only did you come back, you actually came back
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: and then went to the spinoff as well.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we've always said, you know, it makes the
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: most sense, Daniel makes the most sense of the person
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: to go to Atlantis. Yes, so they even did kind
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: of have to think put that line in at the
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: end when he's like recovering and he says, oh, you know, yeah,
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: Landry wants me back at the SGC.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: To recuperate there.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: Yeahs still more surgery that needs to happen or whatever.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: But that I think was a bit a bit lame
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: and a bit they could have done more. Like Daniel
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: didn't even have any like physical no, like didn't have.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: A bruise or was just so everywhere.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like and he I don't think he even sold
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: it very well the whole like the dying speech.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: He's like, Oh, I'm pretty I'm pretty pretty hard here. Rodney.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like survive five days?
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: Really, what's going on?
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: I reckon you might.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: Of things I want to rapify through before we go.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: If you look at the crates in the background of
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: like in Janese's lab, like where Rodney and Daniel are
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: being held, those are old Tokra crates used to hold
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: like the topra crystals and stuff like that. Obviously you
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: would have noticed the depending if you were sixty thirty
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: or sixty forty it. Once Daniel and Rodney are inside
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: their suits, they cut to.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: The Iron Man visions.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: Oh I saw that.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Mark Giris's will just went and to Iron Man.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: So we're like they did absolutely. Because this came out
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  Speaker 3: September and October of two thousand and eight.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I'm like, I've been so used
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: to saying that these episodes were in two thousand and seven.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: I'm like, this must have been two thousand. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: and yeah, that's why I put up putting up a
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  Speaker 1: post as this is going to which narcissistic genius wore
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: it better? And then Rodney.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like, I feel like Brennan will say, no,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: you've got to put Daniel in there as well.
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  Speaker 2: I want to know.
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  Speaker 3: Those Todd sticks, the ones that he used to knock
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: out everybody?
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the black Widow sticks.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Is that a Todd special or is that an Atlantis?
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: Like sorry, a Wraith standard piece of text.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: But we just haven't seen yet.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like that would have.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: Come very handy in a lot of different situations. Yeah, so,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't think we ever seen it again. I
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: don't remember, so I wish we'd got more on that.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: You do notice, Oh well I noticed because I was looking.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: Ronan has a new holster on his butt now, like
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: when he's walking away from Keller, he like has a
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: holester over his butt crack and that's where he pulls
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: his blaster from. Obviously, you would have loved this, the
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: shot where he comes down from the ceiling and blasts
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: the Wraith.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: I thought that was fantastic.
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  Speaker 3: Hmmm, although the line reces after that where they go
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: and open up the thing and he's like, we're gonna
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: dig this ship back. I was like, oh, this is cheesy.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: And if you notice in that there's no Caldwell in
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: episode two, Oh yeah, yeah, he's not there when they're
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: retaking the ship, and when they're back on the bridge
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: it's just Wolsey Keller and Banks or no Banks is
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: the woman he I can't remember what the other guy's
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: name was, the one that they're the one that was
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: there trying to stop the ship from the planets.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: You can do you can do it. We believe in you.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: Like that guy.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just like Marks Mark, Yeah, be major.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: Marks wormhole through the planet, which was a great move,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: like excellent, say what you want about him, but I
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: mean that was that was well.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: So what you want about him?
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: They did that back in season five when Anubis sent
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: that knack would have filled asteroid hurling towards Earth.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: Sure, and Carter did it with a cargo ship. So yeah,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: but a.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: Ship to a ship's pretty cool. An uncontrollable, unstoppable.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: D s g Udbets, as Brendan would say, Giro's pulling
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: from the Robert C. Cooper writing method of just reusing
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: things that have been done.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: Copy paste. Hope, no one.
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  Speaker 3: I think Todd should have known that Keller was missing,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: because he should have gone and seen who had been
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: taken prisoner and known that Keller wasn't there, considering he
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: was working with her on the He may not have
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: known that Roan was on board, yeah, but he was
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: literally working with Keller on the cure, so he should
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: have known that she wasn't there as part of the prisoners.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: And I think that's everything. So that way, I hopefully
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: won't get anty DMS people being.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: There was so much this episode that'd be something. You know,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: everyone's got a different favorite bed or easter egg or
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: you know moment that stood out. But yeah, I again
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: haven't haven't been entirely up to date with my ranking
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: of the eleven episodes so far, but this double this
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: is always going to be. This is going to rank
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: really high. I really really am enjoyed.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: This, which is going to hurt me because it's the
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: mam Giro.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: I know, like if this, if this would have been
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: this could have been an SGA movie. I think, like
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: absolutely the steaks and the the scope of it, right.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: Like someone from SG one into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: Could have if they would have actually put it out
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: as an even just an eighty minute like go to woe,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: like didn't have the designated ad breaks in there or
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: something or put in another twenty minutes and we get
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: some more personal moments along the way or something, and
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: we have a you know, maybe some more philosophical stuff
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: going on between Daniel and the as guard veneer as guard,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: you know, about the differences between his as guard and
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: these guys.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I couldn't watch that all day.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: That was so good old school Daniel, like yeah, like
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: just really really cool shit, you know, something that made
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: him him for us?
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Now I said Banks earlier instead of Marks.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: So you know, there was that that female officer that
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: was helping out Shepherd on Atlantis as like his little
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: like offsider. Yeah, yea, yeah, she's the one that I
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: got confused with, the girl that we were introduced to
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: in the opening episode. Yeah, yeah, that was shooting the
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: gun at the other thing. She's the one that has
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: a little bit more of a recurring storyline up until
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: the finale. Right, I think I think her name was Banks, right, Okay, yeah,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: I thought.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: I recognized when we first see her in that first episode.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: Oh it's you, yeah yeah yeah.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: And then a couple of little audio clips that I
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: want to play just because some of the back and
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: forth in this was absolutely brilliant.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: I guess none of us signed up to get the
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: famous from No, we did it for the money, good one.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: You don't get people in I do, do you.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: Just but just again, it's a great thing to I
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: don't know. There was just it held on Rodney just
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: a second extra then maybe what other people would have,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: and it just sold it tenfold.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: And it felt better because you know that Michael Shanks
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: gets paid more.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Oh boy, I do even for these two episodes.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: You got paid more. What's your rate for this? Oh yeah? Yeah?
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right yeah.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: And the only thing that stuck me weired And I
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: know it's not it's not an issue because I'm pretty
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: sure Todd's always said Dr Weir and Colonel Sheppard and
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: stuff like that.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: But him saying I'm gonna kill mister Woolsey just sounded weird.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: Being mister yeah.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: I have something stood out about that too. I'm like,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: why did need to be so nice about this guy?
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: You know, we're going to kill Wolsey. We're going to
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: kill this guy. We're going to you know, your your
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: your boss, your leader, or something like. It was just
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: something a bit too a bit too formal about it.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of wish that the Wraith did well,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: especially Todd did took a leaf out of Tilk's book
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: and was always called him John Shepherd, Yes, Elizabeth Weir, Yeah,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: Richard Woolsey.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, absolutely would have made sense. Yeah, all right,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: that is episode three one the proto type. We're back
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: into three o two territory. We're gone big next week
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: for three o two? What do we gots?
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: Outsiders Outside? Couldn't even guess at what that is?
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: Anny, Patrick swayzey, Tom Cruise, Melia West the Outsiders. Did
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: you ever read that book?
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: No?
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: Oh boy? That was that was I felt like that
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: was extra curriculum in what you talked?
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: You ever read that book? But then you is it
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: a movie?
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: And they made it into a movie. It was a
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: great like Coming of Ages.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: That was like Coanu Reeves was in a book like.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: What yeah, I never said count of Reeves, but yeah
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: you say Patrick Swayze and Tom Cruise Ali, Oh yeah, yeah,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: yeah mate. You you look at the poster of this film,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: which is from like the early eighties. It is stacked
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: with people that went on to be massive stars. I
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: kind of like that Dylan was one of them too.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: I think, oh that essentiamiliar. Why Matt Dylan would be
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: the one that actually gets me I know right? It
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: reminds me of what's the one where the.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: Characters Pony boyd Dawn. Yeah, yeah, very different. This is
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: about like not so much gang culture, but there's yeah,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: it's a couple of couple of groups to give you
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: there's a lot going on anyway, outsiders. That's what that was.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: It's not talking about. I don't really, I don't know.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: I have no idea with this episode about.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: Get into geek, get into the gate, get into gate Stargate.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: Send me some maass. Bring