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Episode 30: How Would the Star Wars Universe (and Anakin's life) be Different if Qui-Gon had Lived? · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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Now this week we are discussing a very highly requested topic
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which is what would have happened if Qui-Gon had actually
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lived. And we say this mostly with
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respect to like what would Anakin's path have been like,
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but we also say it. What would the Jedi have looked?
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Like what would Obi-Wan, if his path, what would it have looked
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like? Hmm.
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There's a lot of what-ifs with this one.
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Yeah. It could have changed a lot, but
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we're going to talk about what we think might have might have
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Happened. But of course, you know, will
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ask you guys what you think at the end of this episode.
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So my thinking as we talked, I already know, several of you
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have very strong opinions. So now is your time to shine.
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Here's your platform. Come come join us.
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I know you've been requested this very question on Tumblr.
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Correct, Tumblr, and Instagram, even just recently, I got
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another one on Instagram saying that they this would be a really
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fun episode for us. Yeah, to.
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Yeah, because we Love Qui-Gon, and I'll speak for myself.
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But I love Anakin. I don't know if anyone knows
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this out there. I don't know.
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It's kind of at most 30 and not too sure how, but I know you
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have a soft spot for him. To, of course I do specially
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like, after Clone Wars. How could you not?
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I know, I know, but Qui-Gon. Yeah, Dave filoni has a really
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great thing about Qui-Gon and Anakin, yes, what is it?
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I've seen it on YouTube. He talks about how What Duel of
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the Fates is really about. And it's not about Obi-Wan
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really, it's all about the fate of Anakin.
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Yes. And I've seen this.
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Yeah, and it is excellent. If you haven't heard Dave,
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filoni talk about this. It's worth a watch.
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Yeah, it just shows that. Qui gonn is fighting for Anakin
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Soul. Yes.
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And if he had succeeded, Anakin's path would have been
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completely different. He's the the warmth.
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The Father, the Anakin didn't have Have and ob1 didn't sign up
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for this, you know, like he know, he fulfilled his duty and
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like, obviously cared very deeply for Anakin but it was not
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his intention ever. Like he thought of Anakin is
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another another pathetic life-form, which is mean, it's
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mean he obviously his opinion changed.
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He was a young idiot, child. Also, he was he was not
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polished. Well matured.
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Yeah, plus, I mean he was still kind of feeling, I don't know, a
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little put off by Qui-Gon, choosing Anakin using to train
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Anakin over, what we want, as a Padawan.
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Yeah, had he lived, my personal opinion, I think there would
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have been more discourse between Obi-Wan and Anakin than what was
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actually allowed to Foster without Qui-Gon there.
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Hmm. I don't know that it would have
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become Petty like a fight for qui-gon's love, but I think that
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maybe there would have been a bigger chance for Obi-Wan to
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feel resentment. I know, even though you're not
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supposed to as a Jedi, maybe not though, because Obi-Wan is so
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good, but I don't know. I feel like you're kind of on to
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something because he was replaced and according to now
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Cannon novels Qui-Gon didn't like ob1 that much sometimes.
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Yeah, so this is from The Apprentice book.
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Yeah. Not even the Jedi Apprentice
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because those aren't Cannon but master and Apprentice is Cannon.
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Yeah, that's the one they have a Other one that's coming out soon
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which I can't remember the name of it right now but they just
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announced a new. I think it's a Qui Gon and an OB
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1 and then there's going to be an Obi-Wan and Anakin book as
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well. Again, there's contention
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between Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon what?
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So, I'm here to tell you, I don't really subscribe to that.
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I don't need, I loved it. I-i'm of the idea that Corrigan
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was a loving caring slightly distant but cared very deeply
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about Obi-Wan yeah. I I feel that too and use
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because you see that That right, you see him?
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Yes, do that with Anakin? Yes, and if you re-watch Phantom
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Menace, watch closely, the, the like physical affection the
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Qui-Gon has that you don't see. With other Jedi, he touches
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people on the shoulder. He takes people by the hand, he
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like Ruffles Anakin's hair. You know he's loving and
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paternal and yes a lot of Jedi are not that way.
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So to think that he would be cold and aloof with Obi-Wan just
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I don't buy it. Yeah.
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Yeah. And then it raises the question
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had Qui-Gon lived. What would his role have been at
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with the Jedi Council? Because he would kind of
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treaded. The line of, I believe some
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things. I don't believe in other things,
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Qui-Gon was known to have a romance.
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Correct. Well in, I think the books are
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not canon anymore, unless unless I haven't read the graphic
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novel, maybe they refer to it in that, but I didn't think he was
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in love with another Jedi and they had decided to leave.
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The order together. That's what I was referring to.
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Yeah, in Legends, Yea, Yea tall. I think was her name.
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Yeah, that's her name. Yeah.
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And then she dies. Yeah.
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Well, of course, our war even in Legend, So you're not supposed
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to fall in love, right? If you do what I do, it's bad.
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I think Qui-Gon is more closely related to a Dooku stance, kind
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of, I mean, I think when the Clone Wars came around and
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Qui-Gon was still alive, I think we did.
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Would have been very different opinion on this war, the Jedis
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role in it. I think you would have had a
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very Firm Stance somewhere in the middle or slightly towards
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like we don't we should not be getting involved.
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We should not be doing this which would have deeply affected
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Anakin because Anakin found purpose in the Clone Wars,
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right? He's a Jedi Knight and he was he
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was doing what he thought, Jedi were supposed to do and he you
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know, protecting people and helping people and running to
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the rescue of people which is what Anakin did best when he
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finally was. Entrust.
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Yes. Where he could like lead his own
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men and and train a Padawan, and have some Independence, which a
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person like that needs. Yes.
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So I think would that have been squandered a little bit.
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I mean, because I feel like Anakin would have been forever
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loyal to Qui-Gon because of the amount of shit that Qui-Gon did
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to get him out of that situation and into the Jedi roll.
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Yeah, and it is a very loyal person.
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I mean, once he chooses one side, he's on that side until he
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chooses the other side. And then he's on that side.
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And but he was loyal to his son. We barely knew, you know, so I
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think there's like a part of him that well, you did this for me,
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I do this for you and I think he would have remained loyal to
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Qui-Gon. No matter what, Qui gonn stance
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was. So I do wonder if he would have
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been like the puppy that followed Qui-Gon around a little
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bit, right? Especially in the earlier years,
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would Qui-Gon have taken him back to save his mother.
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Why didn't anyone ever go back for Shmi?
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Like she was trapped in slavery and they just left her there.
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Like, yeah, I think quite on would have went back.
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Yeah, I feel like he would have I don't know why I'll be one
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didn't, I don't know what is it? Because they thought if Anakin
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saw his mother, it was over maybe.
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Maybe because he couldn't, he, you're not supposed to be
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attached to your family, you're supposed to be right, which is
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so fucked up. You're supposed to be up a
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brainwashed, Jedi from childhood but and they started too late
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with Anakin. He was to quote old.
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Yeah, to be a Jedi because he had already had that bond with
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his mother. Yeah.
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He had a tan I mean they weren't wrong because it led to Anakin
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killing an entire Village of Innocence.
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Were they truly innocent though? They had his mother and slavery.
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Yeah, that's a good question. It's one of the women, the
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children, the children weren't responsible for those decisions
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of right napping her. But exactly, you didn't have to
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go so fucking overboard like yeah, just get your mom out of
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there. Kill someone.
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If they try to step in your way and get out, like I would have
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been, all right with that. But I think Qui-Gon would have,
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maybe he would have tried to go back and like, maybe talk to
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these people. Qui-Gon was a talker he liked to
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is a diplomat. Yeah, he was.
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Yeah. And we see that a lot, nobody
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want to. I mean, yeah.
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Yeah I do she ation. That's the thing I just like,
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that's the thing. I would like someone to explain
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to me like, Dave filoni if you want to tell me why, like, why
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didn't Obi-Wan do anything for Anakin's mother?
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That doesn't make sense, because he's so much like Qui-Gon in
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Diplomacy. Yes.
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He's very loyal to the Jedi but like when he have done something
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and he does something for slaves and other scenarios.
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So I do they go and try and yeah, I don't know.
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That's an excellent question but I do think he would have went
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with Anakin to safer. Yes.
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And it may have happened sooner than later.
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Yeah. In Clone Wars.
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Yes. In the prequel movies.
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I wonder because like Obi-Wan and Anakin her kind of different
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than their versions of the Clone Wars.
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I do feel like it would have been a really great clone Horse
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episode. Yeah you see something more
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about Anakin's mother and their well Shmi Skywalker is an unsung
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unsung hero, your heroine, if you will, in all of this because
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she gave up her son to a bunch of strangers because he wanted
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to go and explore. And it was a better life for him
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and he was literally all she had and she gave him up.
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And and that sacrifice is truly some heartbreak the sacrifice of
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a mother. I mean, I can't speak on it.
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I'm not a mother but Yeah me either but she says don't look
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back and yes, it's for that moment but it's really like a
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warning. Yeah.
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Like let go of me go forward and don't look back and because he
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can't do that. It's like his downfall.
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It's very heartbreaking yet. Haunts him in the mortise Ark.
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Yes, she shows up in his vision. Yeah.
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It's very sad. You can tell, he's still
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carries. A, an incredible amount of pain
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and he's already. Ready.
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She's already dead by then, right?
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Yeah because that happens in Attack of the Clones.
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Yeah, I think let's let's say if Anakin if Qui-Gon had lived and
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Anakin went alone to save his mother.
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Let's say Qui-Gon didn't go, I think Qui-Gon could have talked
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it through with Anakin afterwards and helped him to not
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carry so much anger and resentment.
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Yeah I think Qui-Gon had a skill for listening to people.
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I mean not always obviously because he it's weird because
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like he only one had this inability to listen to each
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other sometimes and over. Is the same thing with Anakin
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it's like they're so close and they're so in sync but there are
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these times where they're just like not communicating, looks
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like parents and teenagers. Yeah and it leads to some
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disastrous shit. Yes very disastrous.
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Do you think Qui-Gon would have stayed with the Republic and the
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Jedi during the Clone Wars? Do you think you would have
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defected? I don't think he would have been
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a separatist necessarily but I do think you would have been
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very off-putting By the Clone Wars, I think Qui-Gon was loyal
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more to the force than yes, the Jedi, yes.
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Yeah. Like Luke, mmm.
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I think that's a good path to follow.
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Yeah, I think so too. Because you can put labels on
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stuff, but the Jr there because of the force.
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Hmm. I mean, they're there to wield
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something that they've been gifted with, and to use it for
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the greater good. And if they were sold, the idea
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that this war was for the greater good, but I don't think
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Qui-Gon would have bought into it. 100%.
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I don't think so either. And I think Duke alludes to
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that. Yeah, and really, as a result I
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think Anakin may have, I still see Anakin falling to the dark
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side. No matter, who lives.
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I do too. It was inevitable because of his
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makeup. I hate to say it.
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Yeah. I think he was designed to be
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that way. And sidious is far too good at
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his job. Mmm, to let even someone of the
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caliber of the Father Figure of a Jedi like Qui-Gon to even
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influence them. Mmm.
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I mean, Obi-Wan was damn good to Anakin and he still fell, he
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gave he gave him everything. He had none of it mattered,
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because of Padme. So as long as padme's in the
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picture, that's true, he would have fallen and because of the
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situation with being separated, from his mother, it instills
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like a fear of loss, which then, yes, of course, seeing Qui-Gon.
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And I would make that worse. But then having pad, man, his
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life and like being too afraid to lose her, is that still the
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problem? Ultimately, will you?
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That you said the number one word, the key word fear.
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Mmm deep down in Anakin is a is a current of fear that never
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goes away. Yeah.
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And my favorite quote in all of Star Wars, fear leads to anger,
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anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
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It's true. All of it.
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Yeah. And that's exactly what ends up
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happening to Anakin. So, even with Qui-Gon a lot of,
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I think you would have. Yeah.
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Qui-Gon can't get rid of everyone's fear.
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No. And like, he couldn't human
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trait. If Anakin is raised as a slave
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Wave. Yes, years and still doing
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exactly from an early age. I mean, he was living with a
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bomb embedded in his body somewhere and he and his mom,
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tried to escape it would blow up and kill that.
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Yes, so that would immediately make your day to day life.
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Fearful, good luck on doing that.
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Yeah, giving someone the force doesn't remove fear from their
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heart. Fear is designed to protect
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someone. It's there to help protect us.
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Here is not the enemy, it's how You deal with the fear if you
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allow it to lead, right? Anger to the hurt.
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Can the suffering like if you let it overwhelm you, if that's
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the only state you live in I think it was Kenobi wolf on
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Instagram said that he felt the only way that it would have been
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like plausible for Obi-Wan to fall would be if Qui-Gon had
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lived and had turned away from the Jedi because he didn't agree
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with them. And he would have been the only
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one to convince Obi-Wan to leave the Jedi.
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Yes, I agree with that statement.
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I mean yeah yeah and he said he wouldn't have thought of it as
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falling. He would have just like been
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doing the right thing again because he always again everyone
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always convinces himself that he's doing the right thing,
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right? We love you.
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I'll be with ya, no matter what we love you.
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But it's I thought that was an interesting argument.
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So it really boils down to the question was Qui-Gon, meant to
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die? If you look at the end of
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Obi-Wan's life, he's there to save and protect.
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Well, protect Luke and Obi-Wan had to survive long enough to
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see that through, right? So if this scenario happened
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that you just described if Qui-Gon, had lived convinced all
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we want and not, you know, go with the Jedi, 100% kind of
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straddle the line or even go over the line.
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Then maybe that wouldn't have happened and thus, we wouldn't
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have Lou Saving the Galaxy right?
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Well, an if Qui gonn hadn't died in that moment.
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Also, he is the reason the Jedi and only a few of the Jedi, know
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how to preserve their Consciousness truth because he
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went beyond the study of the Jedi and started to study the
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wills. Yes and by doing that, he hadn't
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learned enough to preserve his corporeal like his body, right?
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But he could preserve his Consciousness, which is why he
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could still commute. In with Yoda at the end of I
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don't know what season that was Davidson.
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Six, maybe in Clone Wars, where Yoda starts to learn about this
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stuff. Oh yes, it was.
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Yeah, the Lost missions or whatever those episodes were
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called and because of Qui gonn, learning that and teaching it to
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Yoda who, then apparently teaches it to ob one who then
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teaches it to Luke like that would would that have ever
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happened? The Jedi did not believe that
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there was life after death until Yoda learned it from Qui-Gon.
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Believed that your body when you died your spirit would join the
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force but that your Consciousness did not exist
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there wasn't like life after death.
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This is such a good point that I didn't consider.
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And now I'm sitting here thinking about it, it's
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incredibly true, give you want to go all the way you would have
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to go all the way to Luke. Becoming a force ghost in the
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sequel helping Ray. Yep.
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All of them helping re all of them.
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So this is, that's a good point. Ain't it makes Qui gonn even
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more like essential the entire. I don't even know, future of
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the, the force and the light side.
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I guess, you know, if he hadn't died, none of that would have
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happened at least not on that level, maybe, but that's what I
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was thinking, what if he would have kept, if he would have
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lived, would have continued, this study, would he have taught
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more or just kept it to himself what you've taught aniki?
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Yeah, I don't even know if it was like Forbidden Knowledge at
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the time, but I was wondering I'm not sure, probably was, I'm
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have zero. Back to back that up but it just
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seems like something that would be a no, no, I've started
18:34
looking into the wills just a little bit because I referenced
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it in one of my fix. I think there's like a mention
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of it in master and Apprentice I think because he's starting to
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like get really into the prophecies, it makes me wonder
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if studying that even if he hadn't been opposed to the Clone
18:51
Wars if studying the wills would have made him leave the Jedi
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because like I said earlier he's more of like a force person.
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Not a Jedi. So anything that would have made
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him Embrace that on a more pure level without the influence of
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politicians. It makes me wonder if like,
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Anakin would have been all about this if he would have like,
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begged to learn about it, because it kind of is in that
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realm of what he wanted to learn from Palpatine.
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You know, about like serving life in a way.
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I saw this once on force a rama. Do you remember?
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I think it's Force trama, blog on Tumblr.
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She's the one who did the she breaks down like loan, Episodes
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in a really funny. Yeah so the funny the funny yes
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super funny. Yes she said something once you
19:35
can find it which is talking about a new hope.
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We're Vader is like watches Obi-Wan disappear and realize is
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when he hears his voice. Say run Luke that like the whole
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thing. He wanted to learn.
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Obi-Wan. Knew he had spent his whole life
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like wishing I would have started swinging if I was very
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Later. Oh my God I love a bitch.
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It was so funny that made me laugh so hard.
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It's so evident never thought of that but you're right, I would
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have been mumbling. Hey, wait a second.
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You wanna know how hot it's happening?
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Pursue. You might know this whole time.
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You said, bitch I've been living in this goddamn suit for 30
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years regretting, every life choice, and this son of a bitch.
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No, I would love for that scene to play out somehow.
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I'm is so funny. It just did in my head, but you
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know what I mean? I see as a dark leather.
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Black leather fist shaking like god, dammit, Obi-Wan Kenobi.
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Kind of a. Yeah, well, don't you think
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Anakin would have done better as a gray?
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Jedi, 100% gray Force? We older instead of like every
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other the other. Yes, if Ray can do it, I think
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she's a gray if you? Yeah, you can't spell gray
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without right. Well, if she can be a little All
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blood relative of Palpatine and be aligned good light side.
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Yeah, I mean it's it's possible. He would have been a fantastic
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gray Jedi. I mean he was anyway.
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I mean technically. Yeah, he, I mean he was.
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Yeah. But then it would have freed him
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of the Judgment. Yes.
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Which he needed. Yeah, exactly.
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Carried that very heavily. Which Palpatine made more and
21:19
more effective. His presence made that judgment
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from the Jedi more painful. Here's a question would Qui-Gon
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have sensed That Palpatine was Sidious Insidious was Palpatine
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because he's a shrewd bitch that Qui-Gon I say that with all the
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love and respect in the world, he is one shrewd bitch.
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I want. That is a t-shirt.
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Qui-Gon is one shrewd, bitch. It's right up there with pieces
21:50
alive. Bitch, I don't know why
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everything's a bitch with me. I'm sorry, I'm not, I made it
21:54
with love second. But it makes me wonder, would he
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have sense? Because he wasn't so into like,
22:03
it wasn't so blinded, like some of the Jedi.
22:05
Yeah, most of the Jedi were like Yoda.
22:08
I question. What was going on there?
22:10
That Yoda didn't sense it, there's theories.
22:13
Yeah, the Jedi temples on top of an old Sith Temple or like you
22:17
know Yoda's old and was paying attention to too many things and
22:20
you know but come on maybe taking a step back lens to a
22:24
clearer picture. So I wonder if Qui-Gon was that
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step. A cat enough that he would have
22:29
seen it, or at least, since to put something together.
22:31
He's clever. Interesting.
22:32
Yeah, it's possible or perhaps his relationship with Dooku
22:37
could have revealed could've. Yeah, some information.
22:40
There's that the very first line of at least of his and
22:44
everyone's, The Phantom Menace, is where Obi-Wan says, I have a
22:47
bad feeling about this and qui-gon's like keep your mind in
22:50
the here and now and Obi-Wan is like this is sensing a dark
22:53
presence and it's like not that there's like a dark presence
22:57
here. Here.
22:58
It's like the overall Darkness, he can sense.
23:01
So I wonder if like if Qui-Gon hadn't died a noble wouldn't
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hadn't been burdened with glorious purpose.
23:08
Yes, sir. To raise the chosen one.
23:14
I want that on a t-shirt. Well mean, that burdened with
23:17
glorious purpose, Loki's thing, but I think it works better for
23:22
op1. How do you know that's low-key?
23:24
I have to tell you. This is a tangent but I don't
23:26
like low-key. So maybe I That's only MCU
23:29
character. I do like, wow.
23:32
Yeah, look at me and you on opposite ends.
23:36
I know really worst timing. I don't even care that you're in
23:40
great company. Yeah, right company.
23:42
I'm not, I'm in the minority. I like Tom Hiddleston before he
23:46
was. Oh sure.
23:47
Yeah. Like, talking like that.
23:49
Yeah. Like I liked his Shakespeare.
23:51
I like, he is a great Henry, the fourth, but or Henry, the fifth.
23:55
But anyway, side tan. Yeah.
23:57
Yeah, just I couldn't believe that Marvel fan over here,
24:00
didn't detect that, but I still sure I still think that makes
24:05
more sense for Obi-Wan, but it does by far it does.
24:10
Yes, but he was like very clearly sensitive like more so
24:15
as a young person to that Darkness than anybody else and
24:20
Drew Qui-Gon told him to shut up, basically, chill, bro.
24:24
Let's keep your mind in the Here and Now is like, okay.
24:28
Well you know Jedi are not allowed to be distracted by
24:30
anything. Right?
24:32
Love personality, friendship, Darkness friendship things, you
24:35
know any of it alcohol-soaked. A alcohols fine, not death
24:41
sticks but I do feel, I still can't believe that scene exist.
24:47
It's a scene. I actually didn't put that in
24:50
last week's episode for one of the bad things that happened to
24:52
Obi-Wan, but I should have it. Someone had to say drugs just
24:55
no, just that seed happened. And he had to go to a bar with
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Anakin and not happen. Yes.
25:01
But it did cut off a limb while he was there so, you know, he
25:04
did, he was on par, is it out? Yeah, sit.
25:10
So all at all Qui-Gon living versus Qui-Gon dying, it could
25:14
have gone either way. It could have had like really
25:16
major major changes on everything or things would have
25:21
been a lot happier. Yeah, I still see Anakin
25:23
falling. I really do to sadly.
25:26
There would have still been like Like you said, it's basically it
25:29
would have been delayed, I don't know.
25:32
Maybe a little bit hastur, maybe, maybe I mean listen
25:36
Sidious was behind all of it and he's just too good at his job.
25:40
Yeah. Qui gonn or knocking?
25:42
Yeah, you can't change him. His nature is his nature.
25:46
I do think that it made his fear more.
25:48
Instilled to why? Yes, he didn't even watch
25:51
Qui-Gon died, just quite on died.
25:53
Then they all had to stand there while the body bird in front of
25:57
them, which is Yes. - practically difficult to
26:00
tolerate. I don't know when I was a child.
26:02
I was a child that would have been a lot to watch.
26:04
Yeah. Because usually when it's the
26:05
first father figure you've ever had.
26:07
Yeah. Like if you really think about
26:09
what's happening there like it's not like chill about it.
26:13
Yeah you're watching somebody melt in front of you.
26:15
This I mean really get. It was it was kind of a customs
26:19
thing, right? Yeah.
26:20
It's real thing. Yeah.
26:21
And Luke does it for Vader. It is totally okay with it.
26:25
And like it funeral pyres. I'm okay with Like I actually, I
26:29
don't know if I've ever told you this.
26:32
I don't know where this is going.
26:33
I want a viking funeral. Like burn me.
26:36
Funerals are hurt Zane. Bird me on a pyre.
26:39
That's how I want to go Viking funerals.
26:41
Men got the Pomp and the Fanfare, and the celebratory.
26:46
Everything. Listen.
26:47
I love the vibe. Just fires some flaming arrows
26:51
into a funeral pyre and that's how I want to go.
26:54
This is good to know. I'll fire your first Arrow.
26:56
Thank you. Oh it might not hit the pyre but
26:59
it'll be up one last laugh for you.
27:02
This is terrible. What is this Lee Anne?
27:05
You missed, you missed, whoops, burdened with great purpose,
27:15
trying to hit the pyre, my hero, and my space to it.
27:20
Sorry, Lord, I'll try again. I'm just gonna haunt you now.
27:24
Yeah. Oh good.
27:26
He's just like quiet. Nov 19, we turn it over to you.
27:37
Dear listeners. Tell us what you think would
27:41
have changed if Qui-Gon had lived.
27:43
What is the main thing about the Star Wars universe?
27:46
Or the Star Wars timeline that you think would be different had
27:49
Qui gonn survived his duel with Mall.
27:52
Join us next week as we wrap up the 20 21 year on most things
27:57
Kenobi. We're going to talk about
27:59
something that really impacted Us in 2021 as Star Wars fans and
28:04
that's baby Yoda, but not just baby, Yoda, grow goo, I should
28:09
say, but the influence of him as a new Jedi and Luke's influence
28:15
with him and ahsoka's influence with him.
28:17
So, we're really talking about baby Yoda and his relationships
28:20
with Ahsoka and Luke and how they all kind of tied together.
28:23
With the Jedi and what's to come and that sort of thing.
28:26
There's a lot of theory that we could talk about there.
28:28
Yeah lot of connections in the year on a baby, go to note.
28:34
Last week on the show Leann, and I discussed all the terrible
28:39
things that have happened to Obi-Wan Kenobi.
28:41
And there were a lot of things, it was pretty depressing, but I
28:46
did a poll on Instagram where I asked people to write in and
28:50
tell me what they thought was the saddest thing that had
28:53
happened to Obi-Wan, and we got a lot of responses.
28:56
It was pretty amazing, answers ranged from.
28:58
Of course when Satine died to, when Anakin fell to the dark
29:03
side one of More specific ones was when somebody said that the
29:06
moment, where, Obi-Wan turns and walks away from Anakin, I'm
29:10
Mustafar was particularly heartbreaking.
29:12
It was also a very common, the people mentioned, his 20 years
29:16
in Exile, on Tatooine being particularly depressing, because
29:20
it was 20 years of him having to then reflect on all the other
29:24
terrible things that had happened in his life.
29:26
Another person mentioned ob1, sacrificing himself for Luke
29:30
only to have Luke renounce the Jedi as an adult in In The Last
29:34
Jedi, it was something I had never considered before, but I
29:37
thought it was a pretty good point.
29:38
So, overall, I think we would all agree that Obi-Wan had a
29:41
very sad life. But again, I just want to
29:44
reiterate what we said at the end of the episode, no matter
29:47
how many bad things happen to us, no matter how much
29:49
heartbreak or trauma, we carry around, we don't have to let
29:52
that Define Our Lives. We can still be good people.
29:55
We can still be kind people, and that is the most, beautiful, and
29:59
most powerful thing of all. Thank you so much for joining us
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