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Cardinals claim Bryan Ramos plus Lance Lynn's spring training stories! · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory.
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Speaker 1: Jim Hayes along with the delightful Lance Lynn the other
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Speaker 1: two guys. We change start times and everything. Lance, you're
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Speaker 1: always here and I appreciate that about you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they seem to always be busy right around
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Speaker 2: this time. It doesn't matter when we start. They're always
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Speaker 2: running the light. I will say, the later we start,
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Speaker 2: the worst it is for me. So we're in a
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Speaker 2: good spot today.
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Speaker 1: that subscribe button. Now. The cards did make a move
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Speaker 1: this week. Lance wasn't a big move, but it was
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Speaker 1: a move. They claimed off waivers a guy by the
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Speaker 1: name of Brian Ramos. Now, for the record, I'm Bloomson
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Speaker 1: on km OX the other day that they're still in
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Speaker 1: pursuit of a right handed bag but Rainbows. They claimed
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Speaker 1: him off right waivers from the Orioles put him on
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Speaker 1: the forty. Man played in thirty six games with the
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Speaker 1: White Sox over the last two seasons. Made his big
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Speaker 1: league debut back in twenty twenty four at Bush Stadium.
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Speaker 1: And he's a guy who plays some infield, plays some outfield,
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Speaker 1: right handed bat, and showed some pop at triple A.
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Speaker 1: So Lancewhill, this isn't the move I think Cardinal fans
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Speaker 1: were hoping for. It seems like a no break. You
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Speaker 1: get a guy who has some potential, still young, twenty
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Speaker 1: three years old, guy out of Cuba, who doesn't cost
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Speaker 1: you anything and maybe something, so it seems like kind
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Speaker 1: of a no risk move.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it fits all of the the holes in their roster.
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Speaker 2: I guess that you would would would add like place third,
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Speaker 2: can play the outfield, H's right handed. So that's everything
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Speaker 2: that you know they've been looking for. And you do
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Speaker 2: it with you know, big league minimum. You know, obviously
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Speaker 2: you got to see if he can do it at
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Speaker 2: the big league level. He hasn't really gotten a whole
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Speaker 2: lot of at bats or anything like that. But the
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Speaker 2: power numbers have been there in the minor leagues. The
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Speaker 2: whole group kind of he kind of fits into the
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Speaker 2: whole group, right. We need to see what Gorman does.
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Speaker 2: Walker does. All these guys that are going to be
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Speaker 2: in the same boat with him have good numbers in
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Speaker 2: the minor leagues. It's time to establish yourself as a
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Speaker 2: major leaguer and he's going to have. You know, maybe
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Speaker 2: this will give him some right handed at bats regularly
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Speaker 2: if he makes the club. But it's a depth piece too.
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Speaker 2: At the same time, when when guys get get hurt
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Speaker 2: or whatever throughout the year. He's a guy to can
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Speaker 2: play multiple positions, and if he turned some of that
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Speaker 2: minor league power into major league power, then you got
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Speaker 2: to steal.
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Speaker 1: If this is the move that they're making again. Him
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Speaker 1: said the other day on came OAX that if still
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Speaker 1: is a right handed bet that pursue wing, they just
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Speaker 1: haven't lined it up yet. If they don't do that.
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Speaker 1: As a Cardinal fan, how disappointed would you be?
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Speaker 2: I mean, the whatever bat that you're going to get
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Speaker 2: isn't going to make you a playoff team, So I
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Speaker 2: don't know. You know, the it hasn't lined up yet
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Speaker 2: because they don't want to pay anybody anything because they
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Speaker 2: they're trying to get a veteran. They can do some
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Speaker 2: at bats, but they can have trade value at the deadline,
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Speaker 2: so that you're you know where you're at right now,
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Speaker 2: is you grer grit Chick's somebody like that. I don't
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Speaker 2: think anybody's going to be overwhelmed with whoever they get anyways,
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Speaker 2: because it's not going to be a fifteen million or
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Speaker 2: ten to fifteen million dollar guy that's a you know,
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Speaker 2: a lineup changing or altering, season altering signing. He's a
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Speaker 2: guy that's gonna come in. He's gonna platton, he's going
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Speaker 2: to hit right handed. He's gonna you know, give days
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Speaker 2: off for you know, certain a couple of these lefties
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Speaker 2: here and there, and then if he has a good
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Speaker 2: first half, he's gonna get traded at the deadline. So
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Speaker 2: I don't know if anything really is going to pop
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Speaker 2: off to make the Cardinals fans excited about what the
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Speaker 2: season is gonna bring. He's just there to help young
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Speaker 2: guys until he gets traded.
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Speaker 1: Whoever. This may be all right, Having said and what
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Speaker 1: you said, I think is fair and reasonable. But as
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Speaker 1: a Cardinal fan, which I am, I still want the
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Speaker 1: Cardinals to field the best team they possibly can and
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Speaker 1: then see how everything unfolds. Like granted it's a rebuild.
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Speaker 1: No one's saying World Series, But am I wrong for
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Speaker 1: saying no? I want them to get the best a
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Speaker 1: small because the more games they win, the more fun
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Speaker 1: it'll be to watch a developing young team. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean, if you develop winning, that's always huge for
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Speaker 2: what you got going on. The group that's there needs
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Speaker 2: to play. So you don't want to sign someone that's
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Speaker 2: going to take or block at bats for certain people
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Speaker 2: and a person that is any good and they want
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Speaker 2: to play for a winning team and they want guaranteed
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Speaker 2: at bats, so it's going to be a problem or
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Speaker 2: hard to find. This bat probably won't be signed until
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Speaker 2: the end of February, maybe the first of March, when
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Speaker 2: he has nowhere else to go. That's what you're waiting on,
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Speaker 2: And it's going to be in the price point where
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Speaker 2: they're okay with it, where it's not cost him.
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Speaker 1: A bunch of money.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Azuna just signed for one for thirteen with
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Speaker 2: the Pirates or twelve with Pirates, like that's in a bat,
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Speaker 2: that's a lineup changing bat. But the Cardinals are not
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Speaker 2: going to be in that ballpark, but the Pirates are.
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Speaker 2: So it's an interesting little offseason.
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Speaker 1: It really is. Let me ask you this too, Like
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Speaker 1: Ozona is a guy who can help a lot of
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Speaker 1: teams with his bad right, and you've been in this
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Speaker 1: situation for the guys that are still on the board
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Speaker 1: looking for their next job, even if it's one year.
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Speaker 1: How much does it hurt the Cardinals that it is
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Speaker 1: a rebuild guys that maybe they could be in on
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Speaker 1: even if they weren't looking to spend a ton of
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Speaker 1: money in years past, as opposed to this year, where
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Speaker 1: for all intents and purposes, this is a rebuild year
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Speaker 1: and maybe some veterans are looking for a team with
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Speaker 1: a better shot.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's where if you where the money
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Speaker 2: is going to line up, right, you get to a
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Speaker 2: point where you are in this offseason, or if you
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Speaker 2: want me to go to a rebuild, or you want
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Speaker 2: me to be a veteran leadership guy, you're going to
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Speaker 2: have to, you know, make it worth my while and
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Speaker 2: give me a chance to put numbers up so I
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Speaker 2: can get traded and have some value next year. The
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Speaker 2: problem that the Cardinals have right now is the person
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Speaker 2: that they're looking for.
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Speaker 1: They don't.
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Speaker 2: It's not the guys are the for every day at
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Speaker 2: bats and this and that, where they can get opportunities
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Speaker 2: to up their value not only for next year, but
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Speaker 2: also at the trade deadline. So it's a weird little fit.
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Speaker 2: You're getting to the point of the off season two
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Speaker 2: where there's guys that are you know, you can maybe
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Speaker 2: get for a two year deal, and you're thinking, and
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Speaker 2: everybody like, well would why would the Cardinals do that?
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Speaker 2: But if you look at the roster, these are the
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Speaker 2: still still the same spots that are going to be
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Speaker 2: a problem next offseason. So maybe you get a guy
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Speaker 2: on a two year deal with a v a little
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Speaker 2: less where he's a guy that can be here for
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Speaker 2: multiple years and do the things you need to do,
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Speaker 2: and you can kind of help the mold your roster
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Speaker 2: the way you want to and say, hey, here's what
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Speaker 2: I want to look like next year too, and this
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Speaker 2: guy can help me in both ways, and he's a
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Speaker 2: veteran in this and that, and I give him a
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Speaker 2: two year deal because there's no money on the books,
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Speaker 2: no guaranteed money on the books after this year for anybody. Technically,
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Speaker 2: everybody's are only money guaranteed right now is the money
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Speaker 2: they got to pay for all the guys they traded.
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Speaker 2: So you can really kind of look ahead and be like, oh,
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Speaker 2: this could be a really good piece to be a
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Speaker 2: part of what we're going to do here the next
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Speaker 2: three to four years. So it be interesting if they
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Speaker 2: find any of those guys that have kind of come
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Speaker 2: down on their asking price or something like that, that
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Speaker 2: it might still be on the board. That could be
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Speaker 2: a fun little thing for him to look into. If
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Speaker 2: that's if that's possible.
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Speaker 1: Maybe well, because trades still a possibility, And that brings
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Speaker 1: me back to some we've talked about. One of the
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Speaker 1: guys that you would figure would be a good trade
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Speaker 1: bake piece would be Jojo. And you know, time keeps
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Speaker 1: getting getting closer and closer to the regular season, So
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Speaker 1: I'm going to circle back. Do you think Jojo is
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Speaker 1: a cardinal by the time the cards depart Florida?
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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're doing this whole thing, I would
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Speaker 2: say you should trade him because of how relievers can go.
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Speaker 2: You know, they can go one year great, one year bad,
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Speaker 2: and it's just a you know, if you look at
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Speaker 2: it that way, you're running a risk. If you're going
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Speaker 2: to trade him at the deadline, or that's the thought,
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Speaker 2: or he's going to be a free agent, then you
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Speaker 2: get no value for him if he has a bad
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Speaker 2: little stretch. But when the market is all right, there's
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Speaker 2: probably some still relievers out there that are are you
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Speaker 2: got to sign and you know you're gonna be kind
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Speaker 2: of waiting for a team that didn't get what they want,
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Speaker 2: and or you're in spring training and a guy on
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Speaker 2: a team that's going to be a contender he gets
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Speaker 2: hurt and then it's okay, hey, that's might he might
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Speaker 2: be when you strike. So if you're fully like on
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Speaker 2: board with the rebuild, you trade Jojo for the best
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Speaker 2: piece you can get before he the possibility of him
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Speaker 2: having a downstretch and not being having the value at
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Speaker 2: the trade deadline. That being said, you talk about Lars right,
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Speaker 2: they're talking about him. The injury is the only reason
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Speaker 2: he hasn't been traded. He's going to go show everybody's healthy.
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Speaker 2: So his value is probably lower than it is than
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Speaker 2: it's going to be at the trade deadline because you've
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Speaker 2: got to go show that your you know your feet
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Speaker 2: are good and you're able to play. And then once
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Speaker 2: he's able to do that, I think he could get
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Speaker 2: traded in a spot where it might even be up
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Speaker 2: to the deadline. He could be gone before when the
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Speaker 2: team wants to make a move and they know they
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Speaker 2: need that left handed bat anyway, So he could be
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Speaker 2: gone before you know, you even get to the deadline
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Speaker 2: as it approaches.
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Speaker 1: One other question before we move on about the Cardinals'
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Speaker 1: trade potential. They have three catchers in their top ten prospects,
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Speaker 1: three which is unheard of. Not to mention, you got
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Speaker 1: three guys on your major league roster who have shown
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Speaker 1: pretty well what they can do. I'm just curious. I
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Speaker 1: mean a lot depends on whether or not, or whatever
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Speaker 1: it can actually be the catcher he thinks he can. Mike,
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Speaker 1: My question is you have Joejoe, you have other pieces.
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Speaker 1: Wouldn't you think you take one of these catching prospects
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Speaker 1: where they have three of them, you'd be able to
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Speaker 1: package that up and get something fairly nice in return.
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Speaker 2: You think so, But you always need good catching, and
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Speaker 2: especially if you have it as a as a surplus.
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Speaker 2: Herrera's got you gotta wait and see if he can catch,
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Speaker 2: and Pedro is such a great catch and throw guy.
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Speaker 2: The question is, you know, can he can? They? Then
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Speaker 2: can the bat do enough to be an everyday catcher?
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Speaker 2: I think that question. I think he can, but I
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Speaker 2: think some teams might see him as a as a
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Speaker 2: backup or a platoon catcher type thing. So when you're
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Speaker 2: looking at that and the other guys are kind of young,
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Speaker 2: uh so you got to kind of wait and see
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Speaker 2: what everybody's gonna do. And then when it comes time
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Speaker 2: to hey, we're gonna be competing. I think that's when
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Speaker 2: you package him right when you know you're going for it.
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Speaker 2: That's when you go get what you want, or you
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Speaker 2: go get that final piece and you're okay with giving
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Speaker 2: up a you know, a couple couple of good prospects
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Speaker 2: because you know this is the piece right now, you
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Speaker 2: don't know what the pieces are you gotta. You're kind
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Speaker 2: of waiting to see how they all fit together now
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Speaker 2: on your major league roster. So let them all kind
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Speaker 2: of play him grow another year, see what pieces you need,
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Speaker 2: see how you do, how you develop, and then go
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Speaker 2: from there when it's like, hey, I need this a
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Speaker 2: starting pitcher or I need this bat and I can
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Speaker 2: trade these guys, and I'm okay with it because I
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Speaker 2: know I'm getting the piece. It's gonna make me a
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Speaker 2: playoff contender or World Series contender. Then it's okay to
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Speaker 2: trade your your you know, your top somebody in your
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Speaker 2: top five prospects.
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Speaker 1: And for the record, I'm a harrier guy. When he
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Speaker 1: says he believes he can catch, I put stock in
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Speaker 1: it because he totally renovated his swing when he was
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Speaker 1: in the minors, worked his butt off, got the surgery
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Speaker 1: on the elbow to remove those pieces or whatever that
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Speaker 1: was stopping him from throwing. He said he was embarrassed
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Speaker 1: by the way he was throwing. So you know, when
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Speaker 1: he puts his mind to something, he usually gets it
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Speaker 1: done quick word.
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Speaker 2: We got to see how the ball comes out. We
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Speaker 2: got to catch It's not gonna be the problem.
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Speaker 1: He can catch it.
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Speaker 2: The question is going to throw it the second one
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Speaker 2: guy steals on, which is being kind of the thing
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Speaker 2: the last two years, which hopefully the bone spurt's gonna
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Speaker 2: help him actually feel like he can throw a normal
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Speaker 2: let it go.
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Speaker 1: So he told me, he said with the elbow thing,
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Speaker 1: he couldn't get the elbow in the right spot, and
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Speaker 1: he went to to a drive line and worked on
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Speaker 1: is because of the elbow stuff, he couldn't get his
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Speaker 1: off most of those companies. Lance. We're at a point
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Speaker 1: now where pictures and catchers report this week, So I
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Speaker 1: want to take you back to the early years in
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Speaker 1: your career. Where are you in terms of being ready
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Speaker 1: and what's some the mental state of mind at this
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Speaker 1: point for young pictures getting ready to report to camp.
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Speaker 2: At this point, you're you're you're pretty jacked, You're ready
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Speaker 2: to get into warm weather. You're ready to go down
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Speaker 2: there and start facing hitters. You know, I'd always be
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Speaker 2: my mind that I went into camp every year, uh,
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Speaker 2: with the the idea that I could get you three
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Speaker 2: outs when I showed up. So I was always trying
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Speaker 2: to be where I, you know, can be game ready,
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Speaker 2: I guess, for one, any type thing, and then you
15:46
Speaker 2: can jump right into live VPS and and then go
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Speaker 2: from there where you're where you're built up enough because
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Speaker 2: you're going to have your your times when things you
15:55
Speaker 2: know are going to be a little sore. So you
15:57
Speaker 2: try to do as much as you can pretty much
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Speaker 2: from January twentieth on to like really do some updowns,
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Speaker 2: try to get different intensities so when you actually face hitters,
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Speaker 2: that intensity doesn't ramp up so much to where you
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Speaker 2: hurt yourself. So you kind of slowly get yourself sore.
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Speaker 2: You can get through it. Each intensity, multiple innings of IBP,
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Speaker 2: multiple innians and games give you a little bit more soretness,
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Speaker 2: So you're just slowly trying to build it up so
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Speaker 2: the jumps don't hurt you. They just developed some soreness.
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Speaker 2: It's like a callous and you callous it up and
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Speaker 2: you get ready for your next outing.
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Speaker 1: Now, there was a year where you shocked a lot
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Speaker 1: of people at spring training, probably run twenty thirteen where
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Speaker 1: Lance Lend has always been a little big boned, big
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Speaker 1: guy probably helps you as a picture. And I know
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Speaker 1: the Cardinals have been like, you gotta lose weight, you
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Speaker 1: gotta lose weight. So you you showed up one spring
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Speaker 1: as skinny Lance, So tell me how you lost the
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Speaker 1: weight and tell me the pressure that they put on
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Speaker 1: you to do that, and maybe the results, which, as
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Speaker 1: I recalled, weren't.
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Speaker 2: Break Yeah, it worked out. It ended up working out
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Speaker 2: for me. Twenty twelve is my first full year in
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Speaker 2: the big leagues, right, I made think of made like
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Speaker 2: twenty nine starts that year through the most innings I've
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Speaker 2: ever had in a season and all that, and they
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Speaker 2: were like, oh, the reason why you're tired or this
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Speaker 2: or that is because you're bigger. And I was like, well,
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Speaker 2: it could be the fact that the year before I
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Speaker 2: did Nott throw one hundred and sixty one hundred and
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Speaker 2: seventy inings. I only through like eighty five, so maybe
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Speaker 2: it was a big jumping innings. But no, everyone want
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Speaker 2: to blame the body. They didn't want to blame the
17:35
Speaker 2: fact that I had a full season of major league
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Speaker 2: work for the first time in my life. So that
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Speaker 2: was the start of it, and they're like, oh, you
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Speaker 2: need to lose weight so you can be better throughout
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Speaker 2: a whole year. So I lost weight pretty much. You
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Speaker 2: just don't eat all off season. You just work out,
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Speaker 2: do all that stuff, and eat a lot of salads
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Speaker 2: and a lot of stuff that doesn't taste good. So
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Speaker 2: I did all that for a full off season. I
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Speaker 2: lost like forty pounds forty five pounds in the off season,
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Speaker 2: got the spring training and was throwing eighty eight and
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Speaker 2: they were like, hey, how you feel I go. I
18:07
Speaker 2: feel great, I go, but I feel like I like,
18:10
Speaker 2: I just got nothing on the ball. And then after
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Speaker 2: like two weeks of spring training and they were like, hey,
18:16
Speaker 2: we think you should put some weight back on it.
18:18
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh no shit. You know we
18:20
Speaker 2: didn't see this coming, but you know, you had to
18:23
Speaker 2: do what you're asked when when your stuff's not guaranteed.
18:27
Speaker 2: The year before, I won eighteen games, made an All
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Speaker 2: Star team, but I was too fat. Came to spring
18:33
Speaker 2: training the next year, couldn't break ninety miles an hour,
18:36
Speaker 2: but I was too skinny. So then they were like,
18:39
Speaker 2: oh here, So then I went that night, I got
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Speaker 2: a six pack and a large pizza put on fifteen
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Speaker 2: pounds by the end of spring training, and I was,
18:46
Speaker 2: you know, back in the ballpark I needed to be
18:48
Speaker 2: and to get through the season.
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Speaker 1: Who apologized to you for having you lose that weight today? No?
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Speaker 2: I remember MO one time was like, hey, well at
19:00
Speaker 2: least we know that we don't have to tell you
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Speaker 2: lose weight anymore. And I was like, yeah, I can
19:03
Speaker 2: go tell you to f yourself from here on out.
19:05
Speaker 2: And he's like, that is correct. He goes, you just
19:07
Speaker 2: go do you? And I go, okay, I appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of things.
19:12
Speaker 2: Who's actually was it to lose weight? Could have been
19:15
Speaker 2: most could have been Mike's you know who knows, but
19:19
Speaker 2: you know, it end up, you know, ended up working out.
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Speaker 2: From then on. I could be like, hey, you know,
19:24
Speaker 2: I'm good. Don't worry about me.
19:27
Speaker 1: Because if you tell me to do things that I
19:29
Speaker 1: don't want to do, they usually don't work out.
19:32
Speaker 2: I did what they asked and it worked out real
19:35
Speaker 2: well for me because I could tell them to you know,
19:38
Speaker 2: stick it. I'm good.
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Speaker 1: Now. There's a lot of things about pitching, I mean,
19:43
Speaker 1: little things about the mechanics that I don't care how
19:46
Speaker 1: many games you watch. I don't care how many times
19:49
Speaker 1: you've covered a game. I don't care how many times
19:52
Speaker 1: you've been at second base as a major league play.
19:56
Speaker 1: There are certain things about mechanics of pitching, and I'm
19:59
Speaker 1: just curious for you pitching at a certain weight or
20:02
Speaker 1: maybe sometimes a little above it, though there's mechanical things
20:06
Speaker 1: behind that that make it work. Help me understand that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think everybody's body moves differently. For me, I
20:13
Speaker 2: use my body and my weight the way to get
20:15
Speaker 2: down the mound, the way to hide the ball, the
20:17
Speaker 2: way to do all those things. And it just, you know,
20:20
Speaker 2: I've been doing that my whole life, and it kind of,
20:22
Speaker 2: you know, just it just worked. When you lose the weight,
20:26
Speaker 2: you know, things could get you get more flexibility, You
20:28
Speaker 2: get this and that that might be bad, might get
20:31
Speaker 2: you out of sync, It might cause stress on certain areas,
20:35
Speaker 2: or it might you know, you might just not have
20:37
Speaker 2: the power that you once had. So and then there's
20:41
Speaker 2: guys that you know, you can get too big where
20:43
Speaker 2: you get next thing. You know, your your knees and
20:46
Speaker 2: your back and you just can't quite get the ball
20:49
Speaker 2: where you need to do because you can't get over
20:51
Speaker 2: your you know, your front leg or something like that.
20:53
Speaker 2: So I think everybody nowadays has got so many different
20:56
Speaker 2: doctors and different you know, trainers and stuff. They work
20:59
Speaker 2: with them get their body moving the way that it moves.
21:03
Speaker 2: Back then, that wasn't really a thing. They had their
21:06
Speaker 2: idea what they wanted you to look like and how
21:07
Speaker 2: it's supposed to look. Now it's like, hey, his body
21:10
Speaker 2: moves great with this size or this and that nothing's
21:15
Speaker 2: blocking his movement patterns, and so they're able to do
21:18
Speaker 2: the things they need to do, you know, mechanically to
21:22
Speaker 2: get where they need to be. So you know, you
21:24
Speaker 2: don't need to lose weight. There's you know, there's all
21:27
Speaker 2: this science to prove that you're you're using your body
21:30
Speaker 2: the way it is. And then sometimes it's like, hey,
21:32
Speaker 2: I can't physically get to there. Why can't I get there?
21:34
Speaker 2: What's because you're you know, your lacks of lack of
21:37
Speaker 2: flexibility here, which is maybe you need to lose a
21:40
Speaker 2: little weight so you can get more flexibility. And then
21:42
Speaker 2: that's a different story. There's a scientific reason for losing
21:45
Speaker 2: that weight or changing your something in your diet or
21:48
Speaker 2: your workouts to get to where you need to go.
21:50
Speaker 2: So you can physically mechanically move your body the way
21:53
Speaker 2: it's supposed to do. So the game's changed a lot.
21:56
Speaker 2: You have a lot more stuff that you can use
21:58
Speaker 2: those things. Where back in the day it was like, oh,
22:00
Speaker 2: you look tired at the end of the year, won't
22:01
Speaker 2: you won't you lose some weight? Well, it's like, well,
22:04
Speaker 2: I've never thrown one hundred and eighty Indians in a
22:05
Speaker 2: season in my life, so maybe that's why I was tired.
22:08
Speaker 2: But no one, no one ever wanted to no one
22:10
Speaker 2: ever wanted to admit to them. Maybe that's the reason I'm.
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Speaker 1: Gonna apologize since no one else. Well here's the thing.
22:17
Speaker 2: Look at Libby last year. That's the same thing. But
22:21
Speaker 2: nobody telling Libby lose weight.
22:25
Speaker 1: Put it on.
22:26
Speaker 2: You can get through it, through it, right. It's like, okay,
22:28
Speaker 2: well we put some weight on. He might he might
22:30
Speaker 2: his knee might go out or something like that. It's
22:32
Speaker 2: just like, hey, why don't you let the guy build up.
22:35
Speaker 2: He's never done it before. It's like, hey, well we
22:37
Speaker 2: got to hear it. Now, we can add on. Now,
22:39
Speaker 2: we can add on. But you know, go spot three
22:41
Speaker 2: fifteen after you haven't squatted in a year. I promise you.
22:44
Speaker 2: It's not going to feel good and you're not going
22:46
Speaker 2: to get through it, but if you build yourself into it,
22:49
Speaker 2: you might be able to get there.
22:50
Speaker 1: I like it all right. Last thing, then I'm going
22:53
Speaker 1: to let you go. When when a player at spring
22:56
Speaker 1: training say they're a young guy and they hit three ten,
22:59
Speaker 1: everyone like, this guy gets it. He's making the roster.
23:02
Speaker 1: When a veteran doesn't perform well, especially pictures right, he's
23:07
Speaker 1: working on some things right, some will say he's lost it.
23:11
Speaker 1: To me, spring training is fool's goal. Like you can't
23:14
Speaker 1: really judge what's going on because you don't know the
23:16
Speaker 1: mindset of a player in that particular game. So when
23:20
Speaker 1: you were at spring training, tell me what you were
23:23
Speaker 1: going through and what the the results, whether or not
23:26
Speaker 1: they mattered to you.
23:28
Speaker 2: I think every game you had a different mindset of
23:31
Speaker 2: what you wanted to get done, especially the older I got.
23:33
Speaker 2: It was like, hey, I want to establish this pitch today,
23:35
Speaker 2: or I hate the way this pitch feels, so I'm
23:38
Speaker 2: going to throw it more today than I would ever
23:40
Speaker 2: throw it in a game. You know, And it doesn't
23:44
Speaker 2: matter what hitters in the box right he's or lefties.
23:46
Speaker 2: I'm throwing it. I'm going to throw this pitch so
23:49
Speaker 2: you get yourselves in like, oh, you give up a
23:51
Speaker 2: bunch of hits today on this pitch. Well yeah, he
23:53
Speaker 2: just kept throwing it because it's like, you got to
23:55
Speaker 2: get that feel for a pitch. But when you're young,
23:58
Speaker 2: when I first came in, it was, ok, I need
24:00
Speaker 2: to make sure my four team is ready to go,
24:03
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to get everybody out no matter what.
24:05
Speaker 2: So I'm sticking to my bread and butter and you
24:07
Speaker 2: don't really get to develop because of that at times.
24:10
Speaker 2: But the older you get, it's like, okay, cool, my
24:12
Speaker 2: sinker's stump so far the spring training, I am throwing
24:16
Speaker 2: it as much as I can today, And then you
24:19
Speaker 2: just sit there and you're like, okay, cool, I give
24:21
Speaker 2: up six ground ball hits on my sinker. But I
24:23
Speaker 2: finally got it so where I could. I was hit
24:26
Speaker 2: my spot with it. Finally got there. But you know, hey,
24:29
Speaker 2: the results weren't there, but hey, I got what I
24:31
Speaker 2: needed out of it today. But I'm not going to
24:33
Speaker 2: sit there and throw eighty two percent sinkers because that's
24:36
Speaker 2: my fourth best pitch. I got what I needed to
24:39
Speaker 2: get in. I got the feel for certain things, and
24:42
Speaker 2: sometimes when when you get older, you're like, man, if
24:44
Speaker 2: I just give up a bunch of runs in spring training,
24:46
Speaker 2: maybe I won't give them up during the season. So
24:49
Speaker 2: give up all your runs and hits in spring training
24:51
Speaker 2: and then you know, turn the page in April when
24:53
Speaker 2: the lights turn on and you can actually, you know,
24:56
Speaker 2: go through a game plan with a catcher. There was
24:58
Speaker 2: times in spring training where I didn't even know who
25:01
Speaker 2: was catching me that day until we walked into the ballpark,
25:04
Speaker 2: and then I was like, Hey, cool, don't we don't
25:07
Speaker 2: have a game plan and this and that. Here's what
25:09
Speaker 2: I'm working on today. And you got to shake thirty
25:11
Speaker 2: times to get to you know, what you need to
25:13
Speaker 2: You don't even know the kid, especially if you've got
25:16
Speaker 2: a young catcher that you've never seen before. So there's
25:19
Speaker 2: so many different things. But when you're young, you come
25:22
Speaker 2: in there and rip your best two pitches. You could
25:24
Speaker 2: have a great spring training. And if you're a young hitter,
25:27
Speaker 2: you can go in there and no one's ever seen
25:28
Speaker 2: you know what you got, and you can get a
25:31
Speaker 2: big league You're working on a sinker and that just
25:33
Speaker 2: finds your barrel and you go two for three. That day,
25:35
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, he's ready for the big league.
25:36
Speaker 2: He's like, no, I will never throw that kid that
25:38
Speaker 2: pitch in a regular game. It's my worst pitch and
25:41
Speaker 2: it's the only thing that finds his barrel. So there's
25:43
Speaker 2: so many things that don't matter in spring training numbers wise,
25:47
Speaker 2: that I definitely get overhypped.
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Speaker 1: Lance. I enjoyed today's program. A couple of things I
25:53
Speaker 1: take away spring training is fools gold. And also, I
25:57
Speaker 1: should feel no guilt when I go downstairs after this
26:00
Speaker 1: and finish those wings that I didn't crush there on
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Speaker 1: the super Bowl. Because this is my playing wing.
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Speaker 2: You bone in her or bonus.
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Speaker 1: Bones, because that's the way a chicken wing.
26:12
Speaker 2: Is meant to be eaten. Yes, that's the way it
26:14
Speaker 2: was meant to be eaten.
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Speaker 1: And blue cheese or brains, please say blue cheese.
26:19
Speaker 2: I so I'm good with both. I like, I like
26:23
Speaker 2: both of them, and I actually go back and forth.
26:25
Speaker 2: They're like, hey, what do you want blue cheese a ranch?
26:26
Speaker 2: I was like, I'll take both, thank you. One wing
26:29
Speaker 2: gets one and the next wing gets the next. I
26:31
Speaker 2: just keep myself guessing.
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Speaker 1: Beautiful, Lance, Thanks as always. That's going to do it
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Speaker 1: for this edition of Cardinal Territory. We'll see you next
26:41
Speaker 1: time for the next episode. Hopefully that one won't suck.