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3 IN, 3 OUT: Do the Seahawks Have a Fleury Problem? · Sea Hawkers Podcast: for Seattle Seahawks fans

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Clinton: Welcome in.
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Welcome in.
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Welcome once again to the newest edition of 3 In 3 Out, the most unique
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Seahawks recap show in the multiverse.
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I'm Clinton Bonner.
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I'm joined by my very good buddy, Adam Emmert.
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Adam, the Seahawks fall to…
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No, no, no.
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The Seahawks go to 3-1.
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We didn't lose.
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There's a lot of consternation out there.
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There's lots of discussions.
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We're gonna hit some big topics tonight.
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We're gonna hit, I think, the biggest topics.
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We're gonna do it nooks and cranny style, traditional three ins,
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three outs, maybe some sprinkles.
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Buddy, how are you doing because it might not have been pretty, but we're 3-1.
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Adam: Oh, it's better to win than it is to lose, as the
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great Brandan Schulze always says-
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on our show here.
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And so the winning does kinda cure all that ails you in some ways as a team.
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Mm-hmm.
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But, I'm kinda with you, man.
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Like, I was pretty frustrated watching the game, and I was grumpy, like,
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watching the game to start with.
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And so when we got done with it, I was like, "Am I just grumpy about this?"
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I'm grumpy.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Like, was it really that bad?
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And it was kinda nice, too, though.
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The rest of the 12s are like, "Wait a second, that's, we
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can't be playing like that."
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Clinton: Yeah, I was grumpy today.
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and I don't think it was really…
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I kinda let the…
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We talked about this last night.
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You guys had a great recap show.
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People should go check that out.
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And after, after the…
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You know, I produced it last night and hopped on.
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I was like, you know, some, some…
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Many times you wanna forget a loss right away.
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I was like, today it was like, you know, there's good stuff and we're gonna
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unearth a good amount of that good stuff in this episode, so stick around for it.
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But in many ways also, you know, the biggest topic of all those penalties,
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like, I just wanted to wash it away and be like, "Okay, cool, we beat a team
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that isn't playing very good football.
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We gotta go play an undefeated team who is our biggest rival still."
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We're gonna get to all that, but we're gonna cover this
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game like nobody else does.
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But before we do that, Adam, remind me, who is the current
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champions of the world right now?
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Adam: These dudes right here, the Seattle Seahawks, because they're the
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best team in the country, the world- … everywhere, the universe, the galaxy for
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that matter, and still current champions, and they actually showed some championship
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mettle in this last game, Clinton.
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I agree.
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Like, if you're not playing well and you're making a lot of mistakes and
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you can still win an NFL football game, you are a damn good football team.
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Clinton: Yeah, and a damn good executive live producer is Ryan911.
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He's…
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Oh, he's, he's the man.
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He's the man in Discord, he's the man live.
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I bet you he's the man in, in real life too, I'm sure of it.
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A $9.99
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super chat saying, "Go Hawks."
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Go Hawks, Ryan.
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You're the best, dude.
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We appreciate you an absolute ton.
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And of course, anybody that's out there, the biggest help you can
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give, besides if you wanna be an executive live producer, well then,
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come for the crown, Ryan's saying.
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But if you want to, hit the like, hit the subscribe, drop the comments,
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hype the videos, do all the things because it matters so much more
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than you probably even know.
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You know you hear it every single video, but people say it for a reason,
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because it re- really does help.
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It tells YouTube to s- you know, share this with other people
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with like interests, which…
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So do those things.
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And if you kinda do the things out on YouTube, then you're gonna get notified
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about really cool polls we put out there, probably, like, semi-weekly at this point.
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I thought this was a fascinating question from Salk this morning.
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So from Brock and Salk, of course, 710 Seattle Sports, all credit over to them:
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Are you more pumped to be 3-1 knowing we haven't played a great football, our best
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football yet, or are you more concerned because our play is not good enough and
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better teams will take advantage of it?
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Adam, how d- how did the Flockers do with their voting?
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It was pretty close, actually.
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Adam: Yeah.
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They were, they were a little split on this one, and that is surprising to me.
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54% more pumped it will get cleaned up to 46% concerned, not sustainable football.
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And I definitely fall in the 54%, and honestly fairly strongly.
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Mm-hmm.
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Because if there's one thing that we know about Coach Mike, is that when he
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sees problems, he goes right through it.
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He never goes around it.
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Just as he says, right?
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He will have this sorted, and this team will play cleaner football.
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Clinton: Yeah.
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So we got, we got the Snail saying, "Well, don't worry about Joe Mixon
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is gonna save the run game, Adam."
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Adam?
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Adam: so here's gonna be my policy on Joe Mixon
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going forward on this podcast.
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people that punch women in the face, I don't care if it's 12 years ago, will
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not be, praised or cheered from me.
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So if he has a nice play, he will have ran for 13 yards.
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Like, it's not gonna be good.
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I won't care.
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I hope he never suits up for this team.
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look man, it's a line for me.
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Yeah.
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If it's not for you, dear listener, then I totally understand.
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Yeah.
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But that's just how it's gonna be for me.
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Clinton: Yeah.
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for sure.
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I didn't even know about it until, like, I…
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honestly, like a couple days ago.
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but you know, not, not something I, I want to cheer for ever, either.
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Except for, of course, I always wanna cheer for the Seahawks.
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I'm gonna cheer for the front of the uniform, I'm gonna
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cheer for the helmet of course.
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and we'll see what happens with Mixon.
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It is news, we signed Mixon if this is new to you.
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We'll see how it goes.
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I mean, I…
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We'll, we'll get into some of the run game today in three and
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three out and some of the reasons about maybe we don't need Mixon.
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Plus we got dudes coming back who are gonna get healthy.
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So we will talk about all of that as well.
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All right.
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So we're gonna get to the ins, we're gonna get to the outs, we're gonna get
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to, the, some of the sprinkles.
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We're gonna get to the MVC, the most valuable cranny.
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We're gonna get to From the Flock at the second half of the show,
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where we look at the comments from the Discord members doing it right
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from our, our awesome Discord.
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But Adam, I know there's a rule, I forget the rule every single time.
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I forget the rule.
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There's one rule in three and three out.
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Please remind me, what is that rule I cannot remember ever?
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Adam: I needed you about an hour ago, Clinton, because,
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apparently I forgot the rule as well.
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But when we, when we start with an in, and when I started arranging all
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of our clips for today, I started with outs, man, because kinda like you were
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saying at the beginning of the pod.
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Almost felt a little more like a loss than it did a win, but it was a win.
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So we're starting with ins, baby.
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Clinton: We are starting with an in, and I hope, you know, I think
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the order that I gave them to you.
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Let's see.
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If they're not in the same order, we'll, we'll just dance on our feet.
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I love it.
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It's okay.
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Fair enough.
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You've been kind enough to clip the videos this, this time around this
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year, so I'm very, very grateful for that, 'cause that is a huge time-saver.
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Look, this first in, we're gonna go to quarter two.
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A lot of game had been played to this point, and we're calling this one, I'm
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calling this one wide zone speed dream.
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So quarter two, 6:19 to go.
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It's a first and 10.
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Seattle is on the move, a pretty good-looking drive, and that good-looking
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drive's about to get a lot better looking.
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We wanna talk about this not only because of the personnel.
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We wanna talk about the way this play was executed.
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Adam, take it away.
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Adam: All right.
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Well, as you said, a little outside, run here, and it is a dream because
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it turns into a Shaheed touchdown here.
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So for those of you listening, audio only, looks like we've got,
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13 p- or 12 personnel out here.
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We got, what, two receivers here at the top, tight end here in Barner, and
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then, JSN down at the bottom, a single receiver split out to the right.
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And we have, and this is interesting, a little Rashid Shaheed.
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Isn't he a wide receiver, Clinton?
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Why is he back
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Clinton: there?
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He, because he's really, really fast.
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Adam: He is really, really fast.
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So
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Clinton: let's- And he's good with the ball, good with the ball in space, too.
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We'll see that.
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Adam: You bet.
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So let's take a look at how this play kind of, ends
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up here as we work through it.
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So we start out, Sam's under center.
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He takes the snap, and it's just a quick toss to Shaheed here on the outside.
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And while Shaheed's run is nice, and we're gonna talk a lot about h-
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some of his decisions through this-
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Clinton: Mm-hmm
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… Adam: oh, my stars.
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The blocking, the blocking on this play, Clinton.
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Oh, I'm sorry, it was Holani at the top of the screen.
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So you had a running back at the top of the screen.
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So it looks like we were, we had, -
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Clinton: Well, 22 or 21 … much
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Adam: gr- Yeah … 21, yeah, out there.
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So all right.
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So pitch to Shaheed, and first and foremost here, it's interesting
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to see how, Cross and Zabel work here in regards to- this
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defensive lineman right here.
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And what Cross's assignment is in comparison to Zabel's- Mm-hmm … because
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honestly, when I really got into the gritty of this, Clinton, it's
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the Zabel play here that makes all this happen from the very get.
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But as we watch Cross, he starts to move out here along with Barner and,
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Holani, who's gonna try to pin this down.
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And basically what they're doing is they're running kind of a
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little bit of outside zone.
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And you see Cross, they let the, they let, the end here through.
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Cross, he takes care of him, and I think initially they're hoping
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that he's gonna get out here and be able to turn him inside.
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He's not able to do that, so he just kinda rides him to the outside.
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Shaheed makes a nice read there.
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But what's really impressive here, watch Zabel.
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Clinton: Yeah, it's perfect.
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Adam: Watch Zabel.
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Since Cross is pulling out here, he's gotta get across the face of this D
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lineman and get to the outside shoulder.
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And you can see he's working it, driving his legs, doing an awesome job right here.
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Then he gets right here, and he gets him turned.
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Yep.
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And he pins him to the inside, and that's what creates a seam here and a seam here.
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And then you run right down here.
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So Shaheed makes a great read right here at the top when he
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sees Cross have to push, the charger here out to the outside.
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Cuts it back up, then starts to follow his blockers, and holy smokes, man,
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like, we see another great block developing Right here with Cooper Kupp.
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He comes up here and he gets a fantastic block right here.
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Barner, he knows he's gonna wanna try to seal this guy to the outside.
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He does that really, really well as well, and creates that seam.
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And then Shegun.
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And here is what makes JSN the best receiver in the league.
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It's not that he leads the league and everything because he's a stud at catching
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the football and doing awesome football things, but look at this effort to get
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downfield here and get on the safety.
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Gets down there.
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Mm-hmm.
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Maybe a block in the back.
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I don't know.
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Clinton: No, look, if- You know how
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Adam: this called
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Clinton: there.
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Yeah, you know?
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Yeah, but the DB turns his back to you, you know, that- Not your ball, right?
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It's not, it's not a block in the back.
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Adam: So.
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Oh, well, this associated crew, they, they
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Clinton: call it every which way, apparently.
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That's true.
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There was, there was, there were things.
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And then- There were, there were ticky-tacks.
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Yeah, for sure.
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Adam: And then Shaheed to the house.
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Clinton: Yeah.
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Beautiful.
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End of
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Adam: celebration.
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Clinton: Game point.
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Beautifully done.
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And I know we got the other angle coming up, too.
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Yeah.
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I think the star of the show, like you pointed out, is the Zabel, 'cause
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he had the, I think he had to do the most athletic thing to get there,
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turn the, turn a big man, seal it.
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But everybody wins.
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Everybody, every single person you called out here, starting with
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Alani, with Cross, with Kupp, with JSN downfield, every single, Barner.
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Every, we win across every single level.
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And the beauty of this, and I saw a comment from a, I think
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it was Liver- Liverpool chap.
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We wanna talk about that, 'cause this is to me is a, a big topic coming up.
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There's people that are, like, saying that Fleury's not, basically, "Hey,
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he's not a good OC, he's not Kubiak."
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I, I want to, I don't wanna get emotional, but I want to start- Yeah.
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I want pe- but I want people to understand…
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I probably do wanna get emotional.
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but I want people to under- a couple things for me, it's
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like, A, this is game four.
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Number two, when you win, this is as good as a wide zone scheme gets right here,
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running to the boundary, or running to the field, I should say, and using
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beautiful athleticism to your advantage.
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And when you give maybe Fleury the right kinda horsepower to run the thing
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he wants to go run, I think this is the results you get with a, with a…
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I think I tweeted yesterday, or in the Discord, I was like, you know, it's
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kinda, it's cool, kinda cool to have Shead back there, 'cause it gives you
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like a Jahmyr Gibbs out of nowhere.
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Like, that kind of talent out of nowhere, we saw the Niners do
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with many years with Prime Deebo, and we get a little taste of it.
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And I think this will set things up not only for next week verse the Niners,
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Adam, but I also wanna talk about in a second, w- after I pass it back to
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you, what this might set, set up, formation-wise down the road, too.
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So, I just don't see the Fleury discussion like many people are right now, and I
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think this is a good proof point of, hey, he's got the right guys out there.
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We're gonna get really good results when we execute well
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Adam: We do.
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And I think one of the important things to talk about with this play
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is throughout the game, Clinton, we could not get to the edge.
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And whether that was Holani or Wilson, they look like they're running with
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concrete boots when they get out there and they're trying to catch the edge.
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Clinton: And so- Going horizontal, it's tough for them.
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Adam: It is tough for them.
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So what I think this is an example of is Fleury seeing that within the game and
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being like, 'Look, this offense, this Shanahan offense, this is predicated
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by getting people moving horizontally.'
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And that's just what they do here, right?
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And Look, I think the adjustment to get Shaheed back there, a guy who
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actually has really nice vision, for a running back, and that's why
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he's so damn good at kickoffs too.
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Clinton: Yes.
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Adam: And, and get him the rock, and then get him moving north and south,
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and then it's good night Irene, right?
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It's, it's a touchdown right here.
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But this is a great, great angle to kinda check out the Zabel block-
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Yeah … 'cause you get to see it a little bit better, see him and
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all the effort that he makes there to get that man turned right there.
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That is … It's just upper level stuff.
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I think the other cool thing from this angle to watch is, is
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watch our center, Sundell here.
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Clinton: Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Adam: Like, his speed as a center is actually really nice, and his awareness.
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Look, watch his smarts here as he gets up here.
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So as he's moving to the second level, he's probably supposed to target 53 here.
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That's exactly where he's looking, right?
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Clinton: Mm-hmm.
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Adam: So he starts running, and he looks, and he sees right about
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here, he sees that Kupp is gonna be able to come up and engage 53.
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So he says, "Well, screw that.
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I don't need to do that.
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I'm going to the third level, baby."
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Yeah, exactly.
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So he gets all the way up here to number two, and it's not an amazing block,
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but he gets in his way, turns him, and that little bit of, the little bit of,
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you know, blockage there, just to make that guy hesitate just a little
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bit, that allows Shaheed to catch this and get downhill and get the touchdown.
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Just a beautiful play.
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Clinton: Very, very beautifully done.
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I saw Ryan's, comment there saying he loves se- seeing Shaheed out wide,
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you know, with these kind of plays, and, and Wilson up the middle.
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And we're not gonna get into all the plays, just we, we just can't.
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We screened really well in this game.
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And when we screened to Wilson, his ability to get from, like, you know,
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what, well, zero to zero, but f- for him to get up to speed with, with
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good pace and a head of steam when he's just going north, it's good.
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And then he's, then he makes pretty good reads with- within those moments.
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It is when they're trying the real stretch zone stuff that
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it's not always successful.
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It's actually less successful than it is likely to succeed.
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It's a beautiful thing to see Fleury understand the players, set up Shaheed
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this way, but then give Wilson a, really good, attempts and, and, and,
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chances on little dump-off screens where he's just gotta go north, you know?
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Yeah.
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And do, do the job.
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So again, I think it's a testament.
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I think, I think Fleury's pretty good at OC.
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It's not all perfect yet, but I thought it was, it was marked improvement.
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One last thing I wanna point on this play before we get to our first doubt
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is, I could almost guarantee you, and this is what a good OC will do, is
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later in the season, I'm not sure next week, just keep an eye out for this
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formation with Shaheed back there.
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Sometime soon, that's gonna be a fake to, to Shaheed with a, a boot and somebody
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wide open leaking out the other way that, that gives, you know, maybe that gives
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Sam an easy little read pitch and catch.
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That is something that will be set up, and they've gotta honor it because
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you gotta honor Shaheed's speed.
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Adam: Yeah, absolutely.
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Like, if that were the case, maybe they have Abe actually kinda kick out here and
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take 45, and then you kinda sneak Barner around the backside- Correct … as Sam
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kinda completes his boot, and th- that would be a nice play off of that, so.
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Clinton: Yeah,
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Adam: I think that's gonna be- A lot of options- … huge
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that's for sure.
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yeah, cool play, man.
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Yeah.
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I, I like that as our, our first Inn of the Day.
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Clinton: Yes, and we said we're gonna be traditional this one.
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Three ins, three outs, that means we gotta get to some of the stuff that wasn't as
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good, so let's get to an Out right now.
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Adam: Yeah, so,
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Clinton: what'd you have as- Well, let me, let me, let me set it up for you.
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Let me set it up for the first- Yeah,
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Adam: what was your, -
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Clinton: It's okay.
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To make sure we got the right one, too.
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But this one I, I coined it as a life without Leo, a glimpse
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into a life without Leo.
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So it's Q1, 4:26 to go, second and one.
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The Chargers are on their own 42 yard line.
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Now I call it a life without Leo because Leo ends up, you know,
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getting his ankle dinged and we don't know yet if he'll be available.
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We- it looks like it's not serious, but the Mike Macdonald Show
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today, they don't know nothing.
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It's, it's Monday.
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Even, even if they do know something, they're not telling
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you nothing till Wednesday anyway.
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That's the way the NFL works.
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But, and this is, and this play pa- in particular, I'm
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not ragging on Rylie Mills.
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I'm just trying to show what does it look like when we gotta go, nose tackle
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with, Byron Murphy as a true nose o- over the zero, shaded to a one, and
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Rylie Mills really having to take on the doubles that Murphy routinely takes on.
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Adam, what'd you see?
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Adam: Yeah, so that was a good catch by you because,
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they do double Rylie Mills here.
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I think there's something to be talked about with DeMarcus Lawrence
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from the other angle as well, and, we can talk about that.
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So what the Chargers are doing here is, they've got,
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two backs in the backfield.
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They got a tight end in motion to the bottom of the screen.
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Condensed split.
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Receiver, one receiver at the top, one receiver at the bottom, and they're gonna
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bring this, well I guess it was, like another fullback out there.
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I think it's number 40, in motion.
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And w- what basically the Chargers are doing here is they're
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gonna try to run a pin pull.
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So what they wanna do is they wanna pin these guys inside.
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They're actually gonna pull two dudes, around this direction,
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and it's gonna open up a big gap.
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And for two reasons.
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One, Rylie Mills is gonna have a difficult time holding up to this double team.
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So we see him here.
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Boom, he gets smacked there.
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Joe Alt starts to wash him down.
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We're seeing the backside of, of Rylie Mills here, and that's not
17:21
the position that you want to be in.
17:23
And then you see the two pullers here.
17:27
So you're gonna see 40 come around.
17:28
He's gonna first look at Lawrence, and there's a reason why he decides
17:31
he's not gonna deal with Lawrence here, and it's gonna be the second
17:34
blocker that comes down here-
17:35
Clinton: Mm-hmm
17:36
Adam: and actually picks up Drake Thomas, and that's what allows this
17:39
to spring and get to the third level.
17:41
So Thomas takes the block right here, back cuts it up inside,
17:46
and nice little gap there, and no contact made till really what?
17:53
Little pass of 50 here.
17:54
Yeah.
17:55
So tough run.
17:55
You can't be giving up stuff like that up the middle.
17:58
d- definitely a difficult look for the Seahawks here.
18:01
Clinton: Yeah, for sure.
18:02
And a- again, most, most NFL defensive tackles can't battle, double teams
18:08
like this that are well executed with a guy of Alt's, status very often.
18:13
But we've kinda gotten spoiled, 'cause Murphy will do the dip down to one
18:16
knee and just, and literally just cement two dudes to keep a linebacker
18:20
super clean to go do their job.
18:22
But so I, I, I'm, I'm not trying to, the…
18:28
This is more of a look into the future in general, right?
18:30
In the sense that I'm not talking one week ahead.
18:33
We gotta look at the fact that it's a bit of an aging defensive line.
18:36
That's just the facts are what they are with Reed, Leo, and
18:39
it being, you know, we already know it's DeMarcus Lawrence's last year.
18:42
We really wanna see players like Mills take that big step forward.
18:46
I think he's playing pretty good football, but when it comes time to,
18:49
to battle these, these, these doubles right now, in this particular
18:52
play, he definitely gets washed.
18:54
But, but also, really nicely blocked.
18:56
Like you gotta give the Char- t- tip the cap, a nice play by
18:59
the Chargers, well executed.
19:00
You see Drake Thomas trying to fill the hole, but he gets blasted right there.
19:04
Real- good job by that blocker, too.
19:06
And then, I think it's Vidal, I think it was Vidal, right, Kimani?
19:10
He, he s- squirts through that hole with, with some vengeance.
19:13
Play before this, Adam- Yeah … was also, was, okay, play before this- Mm-hmm
19:16
was a nine-yard gain.
19:17
They backed it up with a 15-yard gain.
19:19
So right here, we were taking a couple of b- of body blows that just
19:22
didn't really feel all that good.
19:24
Adam: Yeah.
19:24
So, one of the interesting things that I think helped lead to this as well
19:28
is what DeMarcus Lawrence does here.
19:31
So let's take a look at him.
19:32
As he comes off the edge here, the tackle's gonna come down and
19:36
double with Rylie Mills here.
19:38
And instead of when the ball is handed off, instead of crashing down
19:45
and coming back down in here, and at least making this first blocker,
19:49
40, come up and engage him, he runs right by and takes the cheese.
19:54
Clinton: Mm-hmm.
19:55
Adam: So you see him, he's like, "Oh, oh no.
19:57
That, Herbert has no ball."
19:59
And at that point, now you got basically you got two blockers coming
20:04
through here for poor Drake Thomas.
20:07
Julian Love still reading this back here.
20:10
And yeah, you just got numbers.
20:12
Now, I think the hilarious part is, is when DeMarcus Lawrence
20:16
here just goes right by 40.
20:18
40's like, "You're just gonna run by?
20:19
Okay, fine."
20:20
Watch him as he comes up here.
20:22
This is the most do-nothing play I've ever seen from a dude in my life.
20:26
As he runs up here, he's like, "Oh, okay, I better go find some work."
20:28
He's looking all around.
20:29
He's looking over here.
20:30
He's looking over here.
20:30
Can't find anything yet.
20:31
Still looking, still looking.
20:32
Oh, I'll just run into my own dude.
20:34
Bam.
20:35
Then, then he just takes a tumble at the end, like right there.
20:38
Like, great job by you, 40.
20:40
What a play.
20:41
Clinton: Yeah, whatever.
20:41
Whatever that was supposed to be by, I guess, I guess 40's
20:44
probably a fullback, but whatever.
20:45
It's a Charger.
20:46
I don't know who that is.
20:47
It's okay.
20:47
Sue me.
20:48
But okay, that's our first out.
20:50
Hey, they, they're calling for the Whammy brand, and I don't
20:53
know if, if the executive producer back there, the producer, could
20:56
pull it out and dust it off.
20:57
I don't know.
20:58
Maybe we gotta get to a certain amount of likes or whatever it is.
21:01
But- Hmm … if the Whammy can make a, make a comeback, it might be the time.
21:04
But we're gonna move on to in number two.
21:07
Let's see.
21:08
Is there a Whammy?
21:09
There it is.
21:11
You get what you want, folks.
21:13
See that?
21:14
If you executive live produce and you're Ryan911 and Godzera Hawk,
21:18
also Mark executive live producing, they demand the whammy, and Adam,
21:22
Brandan comes through with it.
21:23
Good job.
21:23
Good job.
21:24
But-
21:24
Adam: Whammy is what you'll get.
21:25
Clinton: Yeah.
21:25
Yeah, by, by the way, did we say thanks to Mark?
21:27
I think Mark threw in a $10 Super Chat earlier as well.
21:30
There it is.
21:31
He says, "Better late than never."
21:32
Hey, man, you were, like, just at the very beginning of this too, so thank you, Mark.
21:35
You're the man.
21:36
We appreciate you, you as well being an executive live producer, dude.
21:40
All right, so in number two, Adam, call on this one.
21:44
This PBU's for you.
21:46
Q2, only 31 seconds to go.
21:49
We're up 17 at this point.
21:51
second and 8, LA's on their own 36.
21:54
Now, we know that this ends, the half at 20 to six.
21:58
However, however, I don't wanna let a play go or not honor a player who
22:04
makes a heck of a play with only 31 ticks to go that really should have
22:08
put us in position to keep them off the freaking scoreboard to end this
22:12
half, but, it didn't happen that way, but it's not because of this play.
22:16
Let us discuss what are you seeing on this beauty and who's doing it?
22:21
Adam: Yeah.
22:21
High leverage play here.
22:22
This is gonna be Nia- Nehemiah Pritchett matched up against the receiver
22:25
at the very top of your screen.
22:26
Chargers go four wide, and Herbert is in gun with the back to his left.
22:31
And, just, just watch this match up up here as he battles with the receiver on
22:35
a, what's gonna be kind of a slant here.
22:38
Clinton: Mm-hmm.
22:39
Adam: So we're gonna watch release the receiver.
22:41
Pritchett plays it with some outside leverage, so he's more on the top
22:45
side of the defender, which is what makes this play so dang impressive.
22:49
So at this point, when Herbert's throwing the ball, so he's already winding up.
22:52
He's ready to throw this.
22:53
I mean, receiver's got body position here.
22:55
Looks like he's gonna be able to get inside here and have
22:58
a clean look at this ball.
23:00
But watch Pritchett work around the backside of the receiver and get his
23:04
hand out in front, and we can barely see it in the next, viewpoint here.
23:09
Yeah.
23:09
But the amount that he is able to jump this and the, how far he gets his hand out
23:14
there to break this up is unbelievable.
23:17
Clinton: It's perfectly done, right?
23:19
He's, he's not interfering.
23:20
He's hip to hip.
23:21
And throughout the week when I was on with, Mr.
23:24
Phil and Adam for wha- I mean Brandan, for What If, and even last week when we
23:29
were kind of examining the Commander's loss after that, I was saying, "Hey, we're
23:33
giving up way too much stuff that is the, the really short, short field stuff."
23:38
And like t- tight, tight end turns around five yards,
23:41
six yards, it's in his belly.
23:43
Slants like this.
23:44
Just giving just too much cushion.
23:46
So I loved that in this game we didn't suffer death by a thousand paper cuts.
23:52
We didn't allow it.
23:53
It just was not, it, we, I think we took a much firmer stance on
23:57
making Herbert try to be perfect.
23:59
And in this instance, it's just Pritchett who's, who's perfect
24:02
because it's perfect coverage.
24:03
It's actually a well-thrown ball.
24:05
It's not like it's behind him.
24:06
It's- No … right there.
24:07
Adam: Yeah.
24:07
Clinton: But Pritchett just wins and wins cleanly.
24:10
And in the NFL, this is a hard thing to do.
24:13
So recognizing that this is not, this is a big boy play from a cornerback who
24:17
continues to step up for our Seahawks, and the progression of Pritchett from where
24:23
he was just a couple years ago to now, it continues to impress me there, Adam.
24:27
Adam: Oh, absolutely.
24:28
And you know, just man coverage, mano a mano, and, getting the dub here.
24:32
So let's go to the, the next view here from the end zone.
24:36
So you're gonna see this flash up here at the very end of this.
24:39
So this is pre-snap here.
24:41
Herbert takes the snap.
24:43
He's letting it go.
24:44
And just, if you can catch right here, look at how far
24:49
he is laid out for that ball.
24:50
Clinton: Yeah.
24:51
Adam: Like, he beat the receiver to the spot.
24:54
That's impressive stuff, man
24:56
Clinton: And it's also, you know, it's very likely great
24:58
coaching and great film study.
25:01
They're- Yeah … they, they know the personnel, they know the, they
25:03
know the, the field position, everything they're trying to probably
25:06
do to get into field goal range, the time, et cetera, et cetera.
25:10
And man, it, Pritchett just wins, and it's a great, great job.
25:14
Again, Chargers end up getting a, a three points a couple, a little bit
25:19
later in this, in this drive, annoying as can be, but not Pritchett's fault.
25:23
So really wanted to call him out there.
25:25
I did see somebody, I think it's Big Bad John, have a comments,
25:29
there it is, over on Twitter, I'll put their own on screen.
25:31
Said, "No offense, but the dude in the blue shirt sounds just like Gavin Newsom."
25:34
Well, couple things there, Big Bad John.
25:37
Yeah.
25:37
Num- number one, I don't really know what he sounds like.
25:40
Number two, I have never tried to build a train that has not been
25:43
built, so I don't know about that.
25:44
Oh.
25:44
But, I will say this, Big Bad John.
25:47
That's so funny.
25:47
It sounds like you're new here.
25:48
That's, that's totally cool.
25:49
That's the- … that, that's the part that's like, that's awesome, and if you
25:52
are new here, dude, then please like, sub, share this with a couple twelves.
25:56
And if I sound like Gavin Newsom, then I, then I guess I sound like Gavin Newsom.
25:59
I just don't know.
25:59
But, but if others think so, then, then that's, that's,
26:02
I, I don't know if that's good or bad, but I think it is what it is.
26:05
All right.
26:05
So I know that PBU was good.
26:08
I know we gotta get to some more outs, though.
26:10
Adam, are you okay to move on?
26:12
Adam: I am okay to move on.
26:13
And I know you said you didn't necessarily need video for this, but I
26:15
did include a tiny clip here because, you know, we got, we gotta look
26:18
at one aspect of this so- Oh, cool.
26:20
Clinton: Okay,
26:20
Adam: yeah … that we know if there's excuses to be had here or not.
26:23
Clinton: All right, let's hit that whammy, producer.
26:26
Yes.
26:26
Look at that, it's like magic.
26:28
It's amazing.
26:29
All right, we're calling out to…
26:31
And yes, we talk about special teams on this show, not because we're fanatics.
26:35
We are fanatics.
26:36
We talk about special teams 'cause they freaking matter.
26:38
So calling this one Funny Money Myers, 'cause very often he gets called
26:42
Money Myers and w- with good reason.
26:44
Q2, 6:12 to go.
26:46
We're up 13 to three.
26:48
It is two plays in a row by a kicker that has me pissed off.
26:52
Adam, which one did you go to the video for?
26:55
Let's see.
26:56
I'll put it on screen.
26:57
but yeah man, let's see which one.
26:58
Okay, you went to the extra point, and we'll talk about what, what
27:01
happens right after this extra point.
27:03
And if we're showing it, and it's an out, Adam, does
27:06
this go through the uprights?
27:07
Adam: negative Ghost Rider.
27:08
Yeah It does not.
27:09
It buzzes the tower over here- … I think is which way it ends up going here.
27:13
But, I, you know, I wanted to highlight one thing on this, because
27:17
none of us know anything about kickers and the world of kickers
27:20
because it's weird, it's insular, and they don't let us know anything.
27:23
But I know one thing, Clinton, because I watch Ace Ventura.
27:27
Which way do you want the laces?
27:28
Clinton: Oh, you want the laces out.
27:30
Adam: Laces out, Dan.
27:31
Laces out.
27:33
Michael Dickson nailed this.
27:34
Laces are out.
27:35
Laces out.
27:35
There's no excuses here.
27:37
Oh yeah, and he, he pushes it wide right, so- Yeah … he
27:39
buzzes the tower out this way.
27:40
Here's the other thing.
27:41
Clinton: Yeah.
27:42
Adam: It looks like he's taking a whiz right now.
27:45
Like that's what Myers is doing.
27:48
I don't know what this little reaction is.
27:50
It's, it's kinda weird looking, like, mm.
27:53
Yeah, it's a little- …
27:54
Clinton: it's a little, frontal forward, let's call it that, right?
27:57
Yeah.
27:57
He's, he's just kinda leaning into the- Aw … yeah.
27:59
he, but he really does
28:00
Adam: push it.
28:00
And not only that-
28:01
Clinton: Yeah
28:01
… Adam: but Jason, Jason.
28:03
Okay, ball's here.
28:04
You turn away.
28:06
You need- Don't look away.
28:07
Don't look away.
28:08
Make eye contact with that thing.
28:09
I want you to know what you did.
28:11
Clinton: Yeah, he's making a…
28:12
He's going through the mentals with that one.
28:14
Yeah.
28:14
you know, there's a little pressure, a little more pressure than
28:16
you want to see on the outside there.
28:18
I'm not sure if that's crashing down for the Chargers.
28:20
He puts a little-
28:21
Adam: No, it probably
28:21
Clinton: is too late … he put, no, he puts a little heat on there,
28:23
but it looks like it really affects Myers, and it shouldn't have.
28:26
It looks like he's almost- maybe
28:27
Adam: that's what it is.
28:27
Clinton: I don't know.
28:28
I don't know.
28:29
He, but he, he…
28:29
But it's, he's a little off balance.
28:31
And we, obviously can't knit this too much further,
28:33
'cause I'm not a expert kicker.
28:35
He is.
28:36
But he pushes it.
28:37
But that was not the only reason that he ends up on the out- Yeah … because
28:41
yes, we miss an extra point.
28:42
But on s- now, and that's only a 13-3 game.
28:45
They're within 10.
28:46
The very next play is the kickoff.
28:49
He misses the landing zone, and they start the ball at the 40.
28:52
It's just this, our special teams were so damn good last year.
28:57
And it, whether it's, kickoff coverage, which they, the, the, i- in
29:03
this game the Chargers got to the edge a couple of times again to get balls to
29:06
like the 32, the 40, for field position.
29:09
He misses the landing zone.
29:11
He missed an extra point.
29:12
Dickson had one bad one, a couple of good ones.
29:14
It has just not been the premier special teams that it was last year.
29:19
Now just like our running game- It, we're, we're four games in, and I
29:23
believe we will get this thing righted.
29:26
But later on, we're playing the likes of, let's say, the Kansas City
29:29
Chiefs, and if you have a lead late in that game, you can't make field,
29:34
field, you know, possession mistakes.
29:36
You can't make field position mistakes against these better
29:39
teams with top-tier quarterbacks 'cause they're gonna make you pay
29:43
Adam: Yeah, they will make you pay.
29:45
missing the landing zone was disappointing for sure.
29:47
Leaving points on the field, like that just lights my hair on fire.
29:51
and the funny thing is, is it, this went in sequence too.
29:54
Y- he misses the extra point, misses the landing zone, and then the subsequent
29:59
Seahawks possession I think is the punt that Dickson had from deep in our own
30:02
end, and it was just not a good one.
30:04
And it was like, "What is going on?
30:06
How did our amazing kickers, go into the toilet there?"
30:09
They managed to rally throughout the game.
30:11
It hasn't been, it hasn't been bad like it was in the pre-season.
30:15
but you know, it's something that you look at and you go,
30:17
"Man, we can't be doing this."
30:19
Clinton: Yeah.
30:19
I, I agree.
30:20
yeah, let's go throw this one up on screen, Brandan.
30:22
So, this from 12th Man, 78 saying, "I eventually, just
30:26
eventually want a kicker who can do the 65 yard thing like Aubrey."
30:29
So you know, Cam Little from the Jags got the, the huge boot.
30:32
Aubrey from the Cowboys, absolute weapon.
30:34
You could literally…
30:35
It's such a weird game at this point, just get to the 50 and you got a
30:38
legit shot at making a field goal.
30:40
It's nuts.
30:41
And m- I mean, Money Myers got the name Money Myers, he's
30:43
been with us a long, long time.
30:45
I feel you, 12th Man.
30:46
Eventually when we go to replace him, you wanna look for that dude who's at that
30:50
next generation leg who can, who can do the Aubrey things, because, you know,
30:55
there's, there's multiple of them right now, and you got to figure in the college
30:58
ranks, there's just more and more dudes who are just perfecting this craft because
31:01
it seems to be, seems to be happening.
31:04
So, and I saw a lively discussion in the chat too, and we love all the chat going
31:07
on, about Price and was that a mistake.
31:09
And look, I'll, for me, really quickly, no.
31:13
I think Pri- I think Price is really, really good.
31:16
It stinks that he's hurt, and I was on the, I was on the, out there
31:19
saying, "Look, the guy fumbles the ball a couple times early.
31:21
You kinda gotta live with it, and, and also just coach him up, and put him
31:25
back out there and in situations like we showed with Shead earlier, where it's
31:28
like, 'Hey, we wanna run wi- wide zone with a talented dude who can get to the
31:32
edge and then turn the edge and, and go, you know, go do special things.'"
31:36
I think Price will get there.
31:37
Hopefully, Adam, the chest thing is whatever, it's the minimum, you know,
31:41
four or five weeks off, and maybe after the bye, he's coming back healthy when
31:46
we really need to start running the football, when the earth starts to
31:48
get really, really cold on Sundays.
31:51
Adam: Yeah, the Price injury is gonna hurt.
31:52
make no about, about, make no doubt about it.
31:55
We'll see when Sharps can get back, but hopefully it's
31:57
a little earlier than later.
31:59
people are kinda all over the map on their expectations as to
32:02
when he could possibly, return.
32:04
I mean, he's cleared to, or not cleared, but he could be eligible to come back,
32:09
here against the 49ers at the earliest.
32:11
We'll see if that happens.
32:12
I kinda doubt it.
32:13
But to go that long without a back with speed could be a big time issue
32:18
for this offense going forward.
32:20
Is it a mistake not paying Ken Walker or going with Price?
32:23
Early returns?
32:24
Yes.
32:25
Now, does that mean that long term that it's gonna end up being a mistake?
32:29
Later on this season, over the next couple years, we shall see.
32:33
The season is long.
32:34
We're only a quarter of the way through.
32:35
Clinton: Yeah.
32:36
Right.
32:36
Very, very true.
32:37
And I saw a good, good comment by KTNST, KNTST saying, "Must be, you
32:41
know, hard to have your good game, bad game decided by one or two plays."
32:44
Absolutely, right?
32:45
If you're a kicker, that's…
32:47
'Cause I mean, this show is three and three out where we
32:48
do pick some nits, for sure.
32:50
I don't think you're talking about that.
32:51
I think you're talking about the kicker position, and the
32:53
punters, and special teams.
32:54
Yeah, it is, but-
32:56
Adam: Yeah
32:57
… Clinton: that's what- Such is
32:57
Adam: life-
32:58
Clinton: Yeah, that's what that-
32:59
… Adam: in the spotlight,
32:59
Clinton: you know?
32:59
That's why they get paid $7 million a year to kick, to kick a football, right?
33:02
And that's what they do.
33:03
But, but yeah, I, I agree.
33:05
That is, the pressure is gonna be super high there, so.
33:07
And Godzera saying, "Wilson was very serv- serviceable against a decent D."
33:11
He was.
33:12
Was 21 for 80-something, two touchdowns, very involved in the pass game as well.
33:17
He was very serviceable.
33:19
And again, Fleury's job of getting him north faster, there was a
33:23
couple times where he, he got, he got a good read to the outside.
33:25
He was well-blocked, and he rumbled for, like, a nine yard, made a nice cut back.
33:29
I remember one to the left-hand side in particular where he makes
33:32
a nice cut back into the inside.
33:34
and I thought that was a really sharp move.
33:36
So, hey, look, also, you know, people are like, "How come he
33:39
looks faster than last week?"
33:40
Meaning the Commanders game.
33:41
I mean, the Commanders game was also, it was raining.
33:44
You know, like, it, that's just factual.
33:46
It was, it was a sloppy, a sloppy field.
33:48
Field was okay, but it was wet.
33:50
So not bad from, from Emanuel whatsoever.
33:53
In fact, good.
33:54
I would say good.
33:55
All right.
33:55
So let us get on to our next in, Mr.
34:00
Producer.
34:02
Adam: Oh, we're waiting on the whammy.
34:04
No whammy.
34:04
There it
34:04
Clinton: is.
34:04
There it is.
34:05
All right.
34:05
All
34:05
Adam: right.
34:06
Clinton: No whammies, no whammies.
34:07
Big money plus a spin.
34:09
Okay, in number three, we're calling this one, he chose violence.
34:13
At this point, we're on our way to a blowout, or what should've been a blowout.
34:18
Yeah.
34:18
Didn't feel like it at the end, but it was anyway.
34:20
I, I really don't care.
34:21
Q4, 11:08 to go, first and 10.
34:24
The LA Chargers are on their Seattle 30 at this point, and I do bring this player
34:30
up a lot, because he plays football the way I like to watch football, Adam.
34:35
Who are we talking about now?
34:36
Adam: We're talking about your boy TFL Thomas here, or
34:39
Pull the Pin Drake right here.
34:40
And, they're going up against the Chargers formation here, where they're
34:44
kind of in, like, a diamond backfield.
34:46
they've got one fullback that's kind of, in the H-back position,
34:50
another fullback in a little more traditional fullback setting,
34:53
the one back there in Hampton.
34:54
But they are gonna throw out of this, or they're gonna attempt to throw.
34:58
but Drake Thomas is having none of that nonsense, along with the rest
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of the Seahawks defensive line here.
35:02
So they're gonna go play action.
35:05
They fake it.
35:05
Herbert turns his back to the defense, comes back around, and honestly
35:09
has a decent pocket to start with.
35:11
You can see they, there, there's not a lot around him to, to start with.
35:15
Yeah.
35:15
But coverage downfield was nice against these, joke show receivers.
35:18
you know, covered up, covered up.
35:20
Nothing really.
35:21
Not a lot of options for Herbert on this play either, except for maybe
35:24
also a late-leaking Hampton here.
35:26
And he looks to Hampton first, nothing there.
35:28
I think maybe the idea here was the, run him off and dump it
35:31
down, 'cause kinda Herbert checks over here to, Hampton first.
35:35
Looks up, to the top of the screen.
35:37
I think that's Trey Harris.
35:38
He declines that.
35:39
By that time, we've got Dante Fowler Jr.
35:42
Oh my gosh, Dante Fowler Jr.
35:43
did something.
35:44
He's actually gonna come and bring some late pressure.
35:48
Herbert gets out of it, scrambles to his right.
35:50
Now he sees, he's looking, man.
35:52
Look at all of this green grass.
35:54
Mm-hmm.
35:54
Mm-hmm.
35:54
And there's only one dude to hold down this fort.
35:56
Unfortunately, he didn't realize that that was Drake Thomas, because
35:59
Drake Thomas says, "You know what?
36:00
I got this.
36:01
We got two on one.
36:02
I got this, fullback coming down on me and I've gotta take care of
36:05
him on my way to the quarterback.
36:07
Well, watch this.
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Bam."
36:09
Clinton: Look
36:09
Adam: at that.
36:09
Yeah.
36:09
Have a seat, son.
36:11
Oh, that's so scary.
36:11
It's so good.
36:11
I don't need you.
36:12
And then guess what, Herbert?
36:13
You know how your ribs hurt?
36:14
Let's see how they hurt now.
36:17
Boom.
36:17
Takes care of him right down to the ground.
36:19
That is a grown ass man play, and it's even more impressive from
36:23
the backside angle as Thomas kinda fakes a blitz, comes up, drops back.
36:28
We see him out here.
36:29
He's reading this.
36:31
This man comes down.
36:32
Mm-hmm.
36:32
He thinks he's gonna get an easy block.
36:34
Curtains, buddy.
36:35
Clinton: Oh my
36:36
Adam: goodness.
36:36
Boom.
36:37
Oh my goodness.
36:38
That, talk about managers of violence right there, Clinton.
36:41
Yeah.
36:41
That's what we saw there.
36:42
Clinton: He, he chose violence, so much so that like, you know, Ernest Jones,
36:46
who by the way, had a really good game.
36:48
He's everywhere.
36:49
Yeah.
36:49
He's not gonna get highlighted today.
36:50
I think he will in From the Flock, but we can't highlight every play.
36:53
EJ was so good.
36:54
EJ IV.
36:55
he, the play is so unpredictable from Drake Thomas- Yeah … that
37:01
Ernest Jones flies by, 'cause he doesn't think he's about to do that.
37:04
And so, you know, what normally happens in this play is you have a blocker
37:07
coming at you and it makes a linebacker, or especially a DB, choose a side.
37:13
Right?
37:13
A DB, most, most DBs now, by the way, Eman and Spoon might, might choose
37:17
violence also, 'cause they do often.
37:18
But it, it'll make you choose a side, and then Herbert would be strong enough
37:22
and smart enough to p- like dart to the outside and get, get three, four
37:25
more yards and go out of bounds with- without even taking a tackle if-
37:29
this played out like the normal way.
37:31
But Drake Thomas is not a normal human, Adam.
37:33
No.
37:33
And this is the evidence right here.
37:35
To, to, he doesn't just, like, allow the blocker to get to him.
37:39
He decides, "Okay, I'm gonna get you out of my way," and that is just a, a
37:44
remarkably cool choice that I saw it live, I wrote it down live, I watched
37:49
it back later and I was like, oh my God, that is such a cool play that you just
37:53
don't normally see from a linebacker, a quote-unquote undersized linebacker.
37:58
Heck of a job by TFL Thomas.
38:00
We had to highlight it.
38:01
Adam: Oh, absolutely.
38:02
He probably gives up a little size to this guy, and also too- Yeah … this
38:04
dude's on like a dead sprint coming down here, and, you know, Thomas
38:07
is basically standing still, and he still rocks the [catfish] out of him.
38:12
Now watch, watch this dude at the end of this, man.
38:14
He's gotta go back, woo.
38:16
Oh, yeah, yeah.
38:16
He's- Coming over.
38:17
He has a seizure right here.
38:18
He's like, "Damn, I'm never touching that guy again."
38:20
And, yeah, that was the end of that.
38:22
That was awesome.
38:24
Clinton: Yeah.
38:24
That was a, a heck of a play.
38:26
That one, that one, that one, that one, I want that one to stick in our, in
38:30
our grill for a long time because- Yeah
38:31
it's just something so, so special.
38:33
very cool.
38:35
So again, there was plenty of chop, and we all know about the penalties, and
38:39
there was a lot of argument about, oh, the refs, the refs are super harsh, and
38:43
I went back, I'm like, I don't know.
38:44
Even, even right away I'm like, I think most of those p- personal fouls are legit.
38:48
Like, most of them are legit.
38:51
Like five out of s- out of the seven for me were like,
38:53
nope, those are personal fouls.
38:54
Yeah.
38:54
That,
38:54
Adam: that feels right.
38:55
Clinton: Yeah.
38:55
two of them I think were, were ridiculous, and that's, that's fine.
38:59
But, but there was so much good also in between all this, and there was good
39:04
from Fleury, and there was good from Emanuel, and there was good from Sam.
39:08
Even, even though it wasn't Sam's best day, there was still some really good st-
39:11
stuffing, really good touches from Sam.
39:14
And on a day where we didn't need JSN to play, you know, the spam bot b- thing.
39:18
He didn't have to do it.
39:19
Ball got spread around enough, and it was really running back led, you know, that
39:23
we ran the ball well and we screened well.
39:26
and of course don't wanna take anything away from TFL
39:28
Thomas doing his thing here.
39:29
All right.
39:30
That does mean we start with an in and we gotta end with an out.
39:32
We got one more out to get to, so let's get to it now.
39:37
About time.
39:38
Oh,
39:38
Adam: Roos is all over
39:38
Clinton: it.
39:38
He is ready.
39:39
Roos is ready.
39:40
He is ready.
39:40
All right, so for this one, for those that, might…
39:43
So Adam, just reading those words, how might you sing what's on…
39:47
So it's out three, where are you?
39:49
how might you sing this?
39:50
Adam: well, here's the thing Clinton, so I, I,
39:52
I thought I made this clear.
39:53
I can't see when the screen's up.
39:55
All I can see is the play, so I can't read no words.
39:57
So my, my song to this would be
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Clinton: Gotcha.
40:01
Yeah, you would go, go, go with that one.
40:02
that- Yeah … that's the Sounds of Silence right there.
40:04
That's right.
40:05
But it is out three, Q1, Q4, Q4.
40:09
It's a 30 to 23 ball game right now.
40:11
We're trying to put the game away.
40:13
It's Q4, 1:53 to go.
40:16
It's third and eight.
40:17
We're on the 49, so it's like just go convert and get into
40:21
freaking kneel down territory.
40:23
So we're calling this one, where are you?
40:26
And I'm so sorry, because where in the heck…
40:30
What happens to George Holani?
40:32
He's supposed to be back there as our blocker.
40:34
What happens, Adam?
40:36
Adam: Well, a, a few things happen here.
40:37
So, for those listening once again, we've got trips to the bottom of the
40:40
screen and, three receivers have got cup, JSN and Shaheed down here.
40:45
We've got the one tight end, Barner at the top here, and then we've got Holani
40:49
in the backfield with Sam Darnold to his left, and that's important because,
40:53
the majority of the pressure here actually comes from the right side.
40:57
Mm-hmm.
40:57
So Chargers actually so- show zero at this beginning of this snap.
41:01
They've got everybody mugged up on the line.
41:04
This is a Brian Flores special.
41:05
We've got, you know, single coverage, however it is that they wanna
41:08
match this up, and, they're, they're gonna bring the house.
41:11
So Sam sees this.
41:12
He knows he's hot- Mm-hmm … but he knows that he's also got his back back
41:17
here to try to pick up those extra dudes.
41:20
So how many do the Chargers bring here?
41:21
It looks like one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
41:25
They bring eight dudes to our one, two, three, four, five, six, seven blockers.
41:31
So there's gonna be at least, at least with no confusion,
41:35
one dude is gonna come free.
41:36
Mm-hmm.
41:37
And if that's the case, then you're trained as a back to take the innermost,
41:41
of the guys that are pressuring.
41:43
If there's a guy coming around the outside, guy coming around
41:45
the inside, you're trained to take the innermost guy because that
41:47
is the most, dangerous one.
41:49
That's the one that can get home the quickest.
41:51
And so we'll watch Holani here as he comes across the formation knowing
41:54
that he's gonna have to pick up a dude here, and- He kind of goes to
42:01
just outside of Lucas and Barner.
42:04
That's where he's starting to target because he thinks of these two
42:07
Chargers at the top that both come.
42:09
He's figuring one's coming in here and then one's looping out on the outside.
42:13
But what the Chargers do instead is that both these dudes at the second guy's
42:17
kind of on a delay and they both come around the outside and that fools Holani.
42:22
So you see the second rusher there kind of faint to the inside.
42:26
Then they both loop outside and by that time, the first rusher,
42:30
he's already even with Holani.
42:32
We've already lost that rep and it's free, free lunch there for, is it, who is that?
42:38
43?
42:38
Is that Khalil Mack?
42:39
Clinton: No.
42:40
I don't think that's Khalil, but whoever it is, Charlie, tell
42:43
us in the comments who 43 is.
42:44
It is a free rush.
42:46
It's nicely schemed, right?
42:48
So sometimes you tip your cap and all that.
42:50
And we've highlighted, I'll use that term loosely, Holani having some
42:56
blitz challenges before this year.
42:58
And here it is again.
43:01
It's like, look It's, it's tough.
43:03
It's a tough assignment, I understand that.
43:05
It's kind of the Indiana Jones, like y- you chose poorly.
43:08
You know?
43:08
It's like, okay- … you had, you had some choices there,
43:11
but the other two guys were…
43:12
Even after your great description of, hey, you're gonna take the inner guy 'cause the
43:15
outer guy's gonna have just a longer path, you know, going, going to the quarterback.
43:19
Makes total sense.
43:20
I love that.
43:20
So you understand why he's looking inside.
43:22
But the inside guy was not, not the culprit here.
43:25
So it's tough for him to get all the way across the face, but you wanna see him
43:29
get a something, a chip, and allow Sam just, just a modicum of time, because
43:35
if they're bringing this many people, someone's probably coming open in, in
43:38
a heartbeat and Sam has a chance at it.
43:40
But we don't get that chance.
43:42
We have to punt the ball away.
43:44
And in a odd, you know, succession of, of plays here and, and unfortunate
43:50
events, the Chargers actually get the ball with a chance to tie the ballgame.
43:54
We put it away, we love all that, but man, was this a little bit of
43:58
a, "Damn, can't we put, can't we do, can't we put the ball away?"
44:01
Now also, we got ourselves into a third and eight.
44:04
How did you feel about running the ball on, I think it was second
44:08
down here where, where we decided to run the ball into the wall?
44:11
I wa- I, I kinda wanted us to throw the ball.
44:13
If we were gonna throw the ball any of these three, I was like, man, why
44:16
don't we do it on a, on a down where it's not actually fully expected?
44:21
My, if my memory served me correctly, I think we run the ball on second
44:24
down on this drive, but I forget.
44:26
Adam: Yeah, so this is the drive where we end up in the
44:28
third and 23 and the give up draw?
44:30
Clinton: Well, no, this is, this is the end of this drive.
44:32
We punt the ball after, right, right after this.
44:34
Oh, okay.
44:34
This is third down where we gotta punt the ball with, like, whatever,
44:37
they have a timeout left, and it's, like, a minute 40 to go and they're
44:41
getting the ball back only down seven.
44:43
Yeah.
44:43
Well- So this is right before their last drive
44:44
… Adam: you do wanna run the ball and, you know, try to take, the
44:47
time off the clock and all of that.
44:49
But the coaching decision here that I have a hard, harder time kinda dealing with, if
44:52
you wanna have some Fleury criticism, here, so where are Sam Darnold's answers?
44:58
Where is he going when he's hot here?
44:59
Because let's check out our three receivers at the bottom of the screen, and
45:03
let's see if any of these guys actually try or actually have a route called that
45:08
is a quick, a quick game type route.
45:11
So we've got- JSN, he's gonna stay to the inside here, kinda work out this way.
45:18
Kupp is gonna kinda do a switch re- oh, he fakes a switch release
45:22
here, and then goes to work.
45:24
This is just a mess down here.
45:26
Like- It's a
45:26
Clinton: little, it's a little crowded, right?
45:27
I mean, right there- Like, right … in that first frame you have, you
45:29
got two Seahawks right there.
45:31
So maybe it's a bit of miscommunication too, and maybe, maybe it's a Fleury
45:36
thing, but that does not look like a great design when you've got the
45:39
middle of the field to go work, with that kind of blitz coming.
45:43
The, you know, get, get over the top of the linebacker seems very
45:46
possible with, this, what the, what the Chargers were trying.
45:49
Adam: Right.
45:50
And look, if you don't have a hot answer right here, it's, it's, you're toast, man.
45:54
Yeah.
45:54
Because let's say, let's say Holani even does come up and
45:58
get the first rusher here.
46:00
Yeah.
46:00
But he takes him.
46:01
Second guy's getting home.
46:03
By the time that, you know, Shaheed and Kupp figure out that they
46:05
can't, like, have a little group hug here in a little team meeting,
46:09
Shaheed even hits the deck on this.
46:11
Like, and Kupp releases late to the outside.
46:14
JSN, I mean, y- by the time he's open- Yeah
46:17
Sam's already dead to rights.
46:19
Clinton: Yeah, yeah.
46:20
I agree.
46:20
They, it wasn't gonna go anywhere anyway because, because of what's happening.
46:24
It's kinda baffling.
46:25
Okay, but l- you know, something to watch again for next week, it's like
46:27
if we get into these situations, when, when there's a blitz you really wanna
46:31
try and replace that blitz, or just, you know, the spacing here is a concern.
46:37
So, something to watch as they mature under Fleury's, Fleury's watch there.
46:42
Okay, so those are our three ins, our three outs.
46:44
We did have another, an ah damn this week as well, so let's get to our ah damn.
46:49
Adam: All right.
46:50
So, you know, in- when we first started doing ah damn, it was kinda
46:55
like, "Yeah, that was a great play."
46:57
this is gonna be more like a damn.
47:00
Like, this just did not work out, and for me, it was Sam Darnold on
47:03
third down throughout the first half.
47:05
Mm.
47:05
He had his, first third down where he scrambles around forever, and you
47:10
know, just throw the freaking ball away.
47:12
Finally does after he gets hit out of bounds, but then takes an
47:14
intentional grounding because he holds the ball for, like, seven seconds.
47:18
and then this would be your next one right here, and this is the play that,
47:22
the color commentator, who was it?
47:25
It was Logan Ryan, you know, had basically a hissy fit
47:28
about him missing- Yes … JSN.
47:30
And so we're gonna, we're gonna watch this play unfold, so you
47:35
know, starting out here- And, and
47:35
Clinton: b- but before you, before you do it, too, what I wanna-
47:37
Adam: Yeah
47:37
Clinton: say about that, and thank you for reminding me, too.
47:40
It's like, so the color commentator's like, "Oh yeah, JS, wide open."
47:43
So then all we see everywhere else, Twitter, and, and, and, you know, just
47:48
certain, even our Discord people are like, "Oh, JSN's wide open," which is fine.
47:51
I get it.
47:51
You're reacting to what the color commentator said.
47:55
And with that, this is a third and five where the one, the, the, well, the,
48:00
your first look is an out to Barner.
48:03
He's wide open.
48:04
So you fire the ball to Barner and you move the chains, but you wanna talk
48:08
about, like, why didn't that happen?
48:11
Adam: That's right.
48:11
So we are in 11 personnel here.
48:13
We got two receivers at the top of your screen.
48:15
We got Kupp at the top of your screen, JSN in the slot, and then
48:17
we got Barner attached to the line.
48:19
Then we got Sha- Shaheed, by himself down here in a condensed split.
48:24
And what they're gonna do here is they're gonna bring Kupp in motion to
48:27
start this play, which is really cool, because that actually clears this corner.
48:30
And this is talking about good Fleury stuff, right?
48:32
Yeah.
48:32
Clinton: Yes.
48:33
Adam: within here too.
48:34
That clears that corner out to create all this space over here for Darnold,
48:38
JSN, and Barner to work together here.
48:40
So at the snap, we'll see JSN pushes and is gonna take this more vertical.
48:46
And Barner's gonna come out and kinda head to the flat here.
48:50
And we can see where Sam's looking right out of the gate.
48:52
He's look- this is his first read right here, and he's looking dead
48:55
at Barner right out of the gate.
48:57
And look, there's, we got two Chargers that have…
49:00
are kinda turning this direction.
49:02
They're gonna try to kinda come across the formation here with Kupp.
49:05
Then we got one defender left to defend this here in two, and he's gonna come
49:09
up, and, he's got a decision to make.
49:11
Am I gonna carry with JSN or am I gonna go with Barner here?
49:15
And he comes up, and he kinda chooses neither.
49:18
He stutters here with, JSN, and that leaves Barner wide open.
49:22
But as the time we're seeing it, as we're looking through this in real
49:25
time, ball's already out, Clinton.
49:27
Yes.
49:27
Ball's right here.
49:28
So that's how- And
49:28
Clinton: that's what Sam saw.
49:29
His one, his one is wide open.
49:31
It, it's a shorthanded guy and he, he's gonna catch that, get the corner,
49:34
and go for seven on third down.
49:36
Adam: Right.
49:36
So let's see where Sam releases this ball.
49:39
So he's in his throwing motion right here.
49:41
So his, the decision was made a half a tick ago.
49:43
Like, he's looking at this and he's thinking two is probably
49:46
gonna carry with JSN, and that's gonna leave this wide ass open.
49:50
And honestly, it is wide ass NFL open.
49:53
And this is a first down if- Sam puts it on him a little bit better.
49:58
Clinton: Yeah, yeah.
49:59
It's-
49:59
Adam: Now, we'll go to the next angle.
50:01
If you can touch it, you can catch it, that part.
50:03
Clinton: Sure.
50:03
But if it, if it's, you know, a, a half a foot inside where it should be on his
50:08
hands more, he's catching it without overextending, he's doing it with the full
50:11
steam, you know, full head of steam, and he's able to turn that corner with perfect
50:16
balance and easily go get that first down.
50:18
So yes, would you like him to catch that?
50:20
Yes.
50:21
I- but is it, is it a great throw there?
50:24
It was…
50:24
You know, Sam was a little off on moments like this yesterday.
50:27
And again, and there was some great stuff from Sam, as always, but
50:31
he was a little off, especially early.
50:33
Adam: Yeah.
50:33
And look, you, you, you get the ball up here, if he gets the ball just
50:37
right there, this is a first down.
50:39
Yeah.
50:39
'Cause you can see he's got a step.
50:41
Like, he's gonna be able to run and turn up field here and pick up that first down.
50:44
It's a great read by Sam.
50:46
And look, one of the things that has changed Sam Darnold from Jets, Panthers
50:51
Sam Darnold to Viking Seahawks Sam Darnold, is that instead of holding
50:54
the ball, waiting for the big play usually, and we're gonna get to
50:57
this, 'cause I've got one more for you too, Clinton, after this- Hmm
50:59
if you don't mind.
51:00
Clinton: I don't mind.
51:01
Adam: he decides to take the sure thing, get the first down.
51:05
Now, he doesn't execute on the throw, and we don't pick up the first down.
51:09
I think this is a great decision by Sam Darnold.
51:11
I think it was a great play design by Brian Fleury, just the
51:14
execution from Sam wasn't there.
51:16
Clinton: Yep.
51:17
Well
51:17
Adam: said.
51:17
All right.
51:18
So this is the, the next third down actually that we face here, and,
51:22
basically we get Shaheed coming across in motion here to the top.
51:26
We're gonna be back in 11 personnel, I believe, 'cause I believe
51:30
this is JSN at the top, Shaheed, and then we got Kupp down here.
51:34
We got a back in, in the gun, and then we got Barner here at the top.
51:38
They're gonna work this side of the field here, the, the far hash.
51:41
And as we bring this forward, we get Shaheed in the slot,
51:46
Barner at the tight end position.
51:48
Darnold takes the snap.
51:49
They actually bring one extra blitzer here, but Wilson does a nice job of
51:54
kinda working up here and- Mm-hmm … and, and taking the initial hit.
51:58
But we see pre-snap, like- Right here.
52:04
Watch this dude.
52:06
Pre-snap, we watch him trying to sneak up, trying to jump it.
52:09
At this point, Sam has to know, look, I'm gonna be…
52:14
I, I can block this with the back, but man, he's gonna have a
52:17
head of steam and it's gonna be tough for him to just stone him.
52:20
Like, I need to get this ball out.
52:21
So as we watch this unfold, we're gonna watch JSN working out here.
52:26
We're gonna watch, Shaheed work a corner route, and then we're gonna
52:31
actually watch Kupp come across on the drag route on the bottom here.
52:36
So if it's me in this situation, I'd wanna be working one to two.
52:40
Like, that- that's where I'd wanna go here, rather than trying to wait
52:43
for a long developing corner route.
52:45
But what does Sam do?
52:47
He sets up, he's looking dead at JSN.
52:49
Look at the cushion.
52:51
Look at the cushion up here.
52:52
Just let this rip.
52:53
Like, if you wanna get after about not throwing the ball to
52:57
JSN, this is the one right here.
52:58
Hand, holds it, holds it, pats it.
53:00
And during that time, watch Wilson down here.
53:04
He's getting smashed, right?
53:06
And he actually does a pretty good job giving Sam a chance here.
53:10
But instead, he turns his head and he starts looking for Shaheed because he
53:14
sees this corner's all mixed up and he's like, "Oh, I've got all this green grass.
53:17
Safety's way over here in middle field.
53:19
I'll be able to sneak that in."
53:20
Why are we hunting for big plays as Cooper Kupp is wide [catfish] open
53:23
coming across the bottom here, too?
53:26
So he gets hit as he throws, and we watch the ball flutter.
53:30
Clinton: Oh, right.
53:31
You see.
53:31
There's one that flut- yeah, there's one where he, he doesn't get a lot on it.
53:33
Right.
53:33
I, I was, I was trying to remember how, how it ended.
53:35
Yeah.
53:36
and this was the one that you're like, "Oh, boy.
53:38
Hope that's not, hope that's not a, you know, a DB sitting under that one,"
53:42
'cause it, it had that kind of trajectory.
53:44
Yeah.
53:44
Yeah, s- so this was one of the ones they were calling out on, on the play saying,
53:47
"Hey, look, there's a couple of open…"
53:49
I, I love the fact that you're like, "Hey, there's two options here."
53:52
And look, he gets popped.
53:53
It's, I think Wilson does the best he can, but he's getting walked back
53:57
by a bigger dude, tough assignment.
53:59
but I've gotten on, on Haloti in the past about, like, not
54:02
winning that, that exact assignment, so I gotta be fair both ways.
54:06
Adam: That was neutral.
54:06
Yeah, right.
54:07
I don't think that's a loss.
54:07
I don't think it's a win.
54:08
Clinton: No, he did enough to, to give, give Sam a second to throw the ball.
54:12
But like we said, Sam had a couple of options and, and different times where
54:16
his, he was a little, a little less, like, the, the reads were not as crisp as usual.
54:22
His feet looked hap- happier, and I don't mean that in a good way.
54:25
His feet, especially at the first, like, I don't know, 20 minutes
54:28
of the game, he had happy feet.
54:30
And some of these throws got out a little bit later than you want them to get out.
54:35
And then, so that's another good example of that one there, and then
54:38
there was other stuff, again, that there was, I remember, again,
54:41
back to giving some, Fleury some love and working that with Sam.
54:44
There was that, that play that I think comes, I think it comes from,
54:47
the Niners where they, where, Sam will kind of fake a bubble
54:51
left, pivot- Yeah … fake a bubble right, and then seam the ball down the
54:56
middle for, like, 18 yards on a rope.
54:58
That was done beautifully.
54:59
So there was a couple others, too, where I was like, okay,
55:01
that's, that's a beautifully called play, perfectly executed.
55:05
It was just a little less, a little less free than normal.
55:09
Like, I felt like there was less free yards available in this game on both sides
55:12
of the ball, which was made up for up in penalties, and it was a l- and because
55:17
of that, it felt a little chunkier.
55:19
It wasn't as, like, smooth play after play, and I think that's
55:23
what's giving people some agita today is, with Fleury, is that it felt
55:27
chunkier than it needed to feel.
55:29
And after all that, Adam We scored 30 points.
55:32
Adam: We scored 30 points.
55:33
We've scored 30 points in three straight games.
55:35
that Fleury is just a, a terrible offensive coordinator.
55:38
What a dog.
55:39
but it- listen, when we talk about Sam here in…
55:43
You know, maybe it's a little bit of rust, you know, and trying to work
55:45
your way back into the season and all that stuff, but let's watch his
55:48
feet, as he goes through this.
55:50
So he takes a one, two, three step drop, back foot.
55:54
Ball should be out now.
55:56
He's looking at it.
55:56
He sees it.
55:57
There is separation there.
55:59
We saw it on the other, copy, and yet he kinda, kinda does this little
56:03
half hitch forward, and by then, now we're just chucking up a prayer.
56:08
And good thing 27 here loses his feet trying to get to there.
56:11
Clinton: Yeah, chucking up a prayer, and, and, and in a direction you
56:14
really don't wanna see it go either.
56:16
Like you said, you had cup crossing.
56:17
So h- hey, look, these are things we gotta clean up.
56:19
And I'm sh- I'm, I'm very confident that the Seahawks are sitting in
56:23
their rooms watching these and having, having, you know, deeper, and
56:27
more and, and football, really deep football discussions as they do.
56:32
But it's things we c- we're picking up as, as fans who analyze
56:34
this, the, the best we can.
56:36
But I think you're right, Adam.
56:37
I think you're spot on.
56:38
I know, I, I know I see Yokai Hawk here.
56:41
That's something that is feeling really right about this.
56:43
$1,000 yen, donation, Super Chat from, Yokai saying,
56:47
"Three in, three out catharsis.
56:49
mope and sulk period over.
56:51
Feeling better.
56:52
Let's go humiliate the Shanny Show."
56:55
I like that a lot.
56:55
Okay, so those were the ins.
56:57
Those were the outs.
56:58
Again, a more traditional ins and outs this time around.
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This is, of course, the tape.
57:03
Don't lie.
57:03
Hope everybody's enjoying it.
57:04
You gotta like, you gotta sub, do the things.
57:07
Hit that button because it will help people see it.
57:09
But one thing we always do, we have one rule, but we have, we have a tradition
57:13
that when we win, not only do we start with an in, but we also celebrate
57:17
the MVC, the most valuable cranny.
57:20
It comes from one of the ins.
57:22
So Adam, out of those three, who's taking home the MVC this week?
57:26
Who do you think?
57:27
Adam: I know you're currently married, Clinton, but, if you weren't-
57:30
… I'd imagine you'd propose to Drake Thomas, so this has to be Drake Thomas.
57:33
Clinton: It should be, and I know it should be, but I gave this because- Whoa
57:38
… I gave this to Nehemiah Pritchett.
57:39
You're stepping out on
57:40
Adam: Drake?
57:41
Clinton: Well, look, Drake has won it before, and this is not like, oh, you
57:43
know, he's won the MVP so he can't win MVP again, or, hey, we're tired of
57:47
giving, I don't know, the Robert Redford the best actor award 'cause
57:50
he's just too darn good-looking.
57:52
No, that's not, that's not how this works.
57:54
But, but when it's this good and this simple, and I put
57:57
quite simply, the perfect PBU.
58:00
And I wanna give some shine to a dude that on a, a drive that results in points-
58:06
This, we looked at it earlier, so we're not gonna revisit it too much here,
58:09
but Nehemiah Pritchett gets the MVC-
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because that is perfect DB play on one of the hardest things to, to defend
58:18
in the National Football League.
58:19
A slant in the area of the field where they're just trying to get some yards
58:24
to get into field, field goal position.
58:25
Very often you're playing soft right there, and Nehemiah
58:28
Pritchett was the exact opposite.
58:30
He gets the MVC.
58:32
Adam: Yep, he does get the MVC.
58:33
Hey, whether it's perfect PBUs or PBJs, they all deserve, a trophy.
58:38
No doubt about it.
58:39
And, I can't argue with you, can't argue with you.
58:42
Pritchett's gonna have that, displayed proudly this next-
58:45
Yes … week as he, gets ready to face a depleted 49ers wide receiver
58:51
Clinton: corps.
58:51
One, that, that's a- amazing.
58:53
We got the- we got our executive producers calling for an add in because we had,
58:56
we had more outs than we had ins.
58:57
But you know what?
58:58
in a game like this we kinda deserve it.
59:00
But look, here's the deal, folks.
59:02
We are never, ever, ever gonna skip the From the Flock, and I…
59:05
And that means, From the Flock is a section where we go to our Discord and
59:11
we see what you said were the ins and outs of the game, we bring them forward.
59:14
And not only is it cool because people also look for their own nooks and
59:18
crannies, but it really does, like, illuminate plays that we just didn't
59:21
cover, or players we didn't get to cover- Yeah … because we can't cover them all.
59:25
Now, if people wanna be as cool as our members in the Discord,
59:27
Adam, what should they be doing?
59:29
Adam: Oh, go to getintheflock.com
59:30
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59:32
Get in with the Discord it, which is super fun.
59:35
Everybody's just going back and forth on game day.
59:38
It is a riot.
59:39
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59:42
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So we appreciate the support, guys, more than you know.
1:00:01
And, yeah, getintheflock.com.
1:00:03
Clinton: Perfect.
1:00:04
One more whammy please, Mr.
1:00:06
Producer.
1:00:07
There it is.
1:00:08
Perfect.
1:00:09
He was on it.
1:00:10
We are into our From the Flock section again, our great
1:00:13
members out in the Discord.
1:00:15
I'll take the first one here.
1:00:16
We got Carcar speaking of great members, saying, "Out, my dad
1:00:20
said, quote- … watch him throw it right back to them, unquote,
1:00:23
right before Donald threw the pick.
1:00:25
So I blame my dad, not Donald."
1:00:27
So Carcar, we appreciate you stepping in front of that one for Donald's
1:00:30
sake and all the Hawkers' sake.
1:00:32
Good stuff.
1:00:33
Paul King saying, "In?
1:00:35
Is Big Ball Dixon's back?"
1:00:37
Dickson had a nice punt early.
1:00:39
I think he had a very short punt later, like a 30-yarder, so sort
1:00:43
of, but early he had a nice one, so recognizing that, Paul, thank you.
1:00:47
And we got Nostradamus Chosen saying, "In, seeing Eman," this is cool,
1:00:51
"seeing Eman in a three-point stance and getting past the guard, what a beast."
1:00:56
A- Adam, if you wanna talk about Eman or other dudes who might
1:00:58
have been causing havoc i- in, non-traditional, traditional
1:01:02
stances, take it away in a second.
1:01:03
And finally Carcar with an out, "I'm not one to harp on penalties, but
1:01:08
oh my God, the penalties," and, you know, no lies detected there.
1:01:11
but how about Eman, dude, b- being, being used all over the field?
1:01:15
Adam: All over the field.
1:01:16
He is such a Swiss Army knife.
1:01:18
I do wanna address Carcar now.
1:01:19
her dad has taken strays in two three and three outs-
1:01:22
that I've been on now in a row.
1:01:24
So, yeah, man, look out, bud.
1:01:26
But, - Yeah, let's talk a little about Eman and some of
1:01:29
the things that he was doing.
1:01:30
I mean- Yeah … the three-point stance and, and getting there, and
1:01:32
he had some really nice pass rushes.
1:01:34
the one that sticks out to me was actually working against
1:01:36
Joe Alt, like big- Mm-hmm
1:01:38
time left tackle.
1:01:40
Takes him inside, and you can see how- hard it is for those big tackles to
1:01:45
keep up with the speed of Emmanwori, and he kinda jukes him inside, scoots
1:01:50
back outside, gets some pressure on Herbert, and blows up the play.
1:01:54
Really cool.
1:01:55
Clinton: Yeah.
1:01:55
and before we carry on with, with this, and we have a player at the top
1:01:59
we're gonna wanna talk more about- Yeah
1:02:00
for Eman, so in one of my fantasy football leagues, I know
1:02:04
nobody cares about your fantasy foot- football team, but you'll
1:02:05
care about this, I promise you this.
1:02:07
So one of my fantasy teams, it's IDP, which means you draft or play
1:02:11
individual defensive players, and you have to start two linemen, you
1:02:15
know, two DTs, whatever, linebackers, and you have to start two DBs.
1:02:19
And I told my, my fantasy partner there, I said, "Hey, look," I was
1:02:22
like, "We gotta grab Emmanwori," I was like, " 'cause he's a cheat code,"
1:02:25
as, as a quote-unquote defensive back, 'cause they line him up at edge.
1:02:28
He basically plays linebacker, and they b- bring him on blitzes, and
1:02:31
sure as you know it, he gets the sack, and, we had a nice day there.
1:02:35
So to OPP and the Chicken Wings, good job.
1:02:38
We see some more great stuff on screen here from 12ManRecords.
1:02:41
Adam, he's talking about a boy that we know we wanna talk about more.
1:02:44
Take it away.
1:02:45
Adam: Yeah, 12ManRecords saying, "In Byron Murphy."
1:02:47
he had a nice sack on a- Huge … standup rush.
1:02:50
He looked like a DN.
1:02:51
I mean, he was going against a guard, but, he made Penning look silly on that.
1:02:56
Mm-hmm.
1:02:56
I mean, the speed for that man, just unbelievable.
1:02:58
We also have CarCar, "In Shaheed as part of this offense," and hey, man,
1:03:02
he did, have a couple big plays, including the touchdown we talked about.
1:03:05
Paul King, "In 12s getting loud on defense."
1:03:08
I honestly felt like the energy and the crowd noise was a little lower in
1:03:12
this game than maybe previous ones, but you know, they, they do their
1:03:15
thing when they do, and, it was enough to get the win this week.
1:03:18
"In EJ IV, has been all over the field today"- Yes … from Frost, and then
1:03:23
we got another in from Frost, "In great first half for Shaheed," and indeed.
1:03:28
Clinton: Yes, for sure.
1:03:29
love, y- we didn't really cover Ernest Jones that much besides
1:03:33
saying he had a really good game.
1:03:35
Kinda underserves the game he did have.
1:03:37
The interception's not even the thing.
1:03:39
It's like, that's cool.
1:03:39
It's always great to get a pick.
1:03:41
I mean, Herbert just gave it to him, but he was all over the field again.
1:03:45
Our linebacking core I think is pr- I know it's biased, and I know we watch this
1:03:49
team way more than other teams, but I also know this is a very, very underappreciated
1:03:53
linebacking core throughout the 32, 31 other franchises.
1:03:57
Also 12ManRecords on the right-hand side of the screen saying, "In Donald
1:04:01
using his legs in smart situations."
1:04:03
Yeah, had a couple of nice, nice, d- d- escapability there, showing some stuff.
1:04:08
It says, "In JSN Cooper Kupp and Holani blocking on Shaheed's TD run."
1:04:13
Absolutely, Jason, we covered that, and you were spot on.
1:04:16
All right, I'll take it away.
1:04:17
CarCar again, "Out the constant soft penalties being the reason
1:04:21
Leo was on the field to get hurt."
1:04:23
That pissed me off too, and I blame it on the Seahawks p- for…
1:04:27
And Mike M- Mike Macdonald said there's, you know, chasing edges,
1:04:31
there's being right at the edge, and then there's selfish play.
1:04:34
And- He's right.
1:04:36
I'm sure that's how he's addressing it internally.
1:04:38
Now let's really hope that Leo can be back and be 100% against
1:04:43
the 49ers, who are 4 and 0.
1:04:45
Frost saying, "Outs, can we please just barnyard on third and short?"
1:04:49
Adam, once again, no barnyard found in this game, so I don't
1:04:53
know, but, if any, any idea?
1:04:56
I mean, they said there's some mysterious thing going on that we can't
1:04:59
run it, so maybe the mystery deepens.
1:05:01
I don't know, Adam.
1:05:02
What do you think?
1:05:02
Adam: the mystery deepens.
1:05:04
I'm not Encyclopedia Brown or, you know- … any of those
1:05:06
guys, so I don't know for sure.
1:05:09
But, also, the, the penalties on the drive that Car Car referenced,
1:05:12
cost me a bet on Blue Friday bets too, so yeah, I was annoyed by that as well.
1:05:16
Clinton: Me too.
1:05:16
Dahoom and Josh saying, "Outs, sack coming from Abe Lucas's side.
1:05:21
To shock of no one, Lucas needs to clean this up."
1:05:23
Josh has been an open advocate of Lucas.
1:05:26
I wasn't offended by Lucas's play yesterday.
1:05:29
I have to go back and just, if that's the sack on, that we watched with
1:05:34
Holani, I don't know, because I don't, I don't, that, that one to me wasn't Lucas.
1:05:37
I think he had him and, whoever was in at right guard at that point,
1:05:40
I think they had their guys, - Yeah,
1:05:42
Adam: unless-
1:05:43
… Clinton: locked down
1:05:43
… Adam: unless Abe Lucas is, you know, Michael Keaton in Multiplicity
1:05:47
and can just, like, clone himself instantly and then block three
1:05:49
dudes, at once, yeah.
1:05:51
May-
1:05:51
Clinton: maybe it was a different one.
1:05:52
I, I don't remember if there was more, but, but either way, and we got
1:05:55
Gornish Slick saying, "Outs playing not to lose in the second half."
1:05:58
I can understand that.
1:05:59
That I, you know, I could, I could get, I understand there was a
1:06:01
little, little too much potentially conservatism at certain points.
1:06:06
at the end of the day, it all, man, you know.
1:06:09
And
1:06:09
Adam: then if they throw the ball and, like, give the ball back
1:06:11
with more time and all that, we, we, if they have some incompletes,
1:06:14
then we kill them for that.
1:06:15
So-
1:06:15
Clinton: Yeah, it, it, it worked out.
1:06:16
We get the dub.
1:06:17
This is small on my screen.
1:06:19
Is this too small for you?
1:06:19
'Cause I could take it if it is.
1:06:21
Adam: I just- I, I, I think I can do it.
1:06:22
Cool.
1:06:22
All right, we got Doc Hawk, in, "We got an in three and one without,
1:06:27
playing anything close to our best."
1:06:28
True facts.
1:06:29
Clinton: Yep.
1:06:29
Adam: In, "Wilson up the middle much better than out wide."
1:06:32
yeah, 'cause one is decent and the other one is a dumpster fire.
1:06:36
Horton TD, great to see.
1:06:39
Out- Yes … "Lack of discipline and poise," 100%.
1:06:42
Out, "Lambs and Whiners both wins."
1:06:44
fricking Rams.
1:06:46
Lucky
1:06:46
Clinton: [catfish].
1:06:46
Sirianni, what a dope.
1:06:48
Adam: KNTS, KNTSTP, "Drake Thomas laying the wood on his defender
1:06:54
on the Herbert run mid-fourth quarter."
1:06:55
We talked about that.
1:06:56
Yes.
1:06:57
In, "Leo walks off on his own power and looked, to be fine on the sidelines.
1:07:01
We will see."
1:07:02
Mark Gardzerohack, in, "Emanuel Wilson, 120 yards total from scrimmage for
1:07:08
an average of five yards per carry/catch."
1:07:11
yeah, I guess per touch, that's what, what he averaged.
1:07:14
That's pretty good.
1:07:15
in, Eman- Returning to last season form in EJ IV, 'nough said.
1:07:22
Absolutely.
1:07:22
Out.
1:07:23
Very, very, very stupid penalties, which were usually, correct.
1:07:28
also too, I, I think I need to talk about Emanuel Wilson here for
1:07:32
a second, because- Okay … I've been hearing a lot of Emanuel Wilson
1:07:34
praise throughout this podcast.
1:07:36
the stuff up the middle, he got what was there.
1:07:40
Like, this is dead nuts average running.
1:07:43
It's not special.
1:07:44
It's not good.
1:07:44
It's fine.
1:07:46
And the outside stuff, simply cannot do it.
1:07:49
It's a, it's a 0% chance that he's gonna do anything with any of those touches.
1:07:54
It doesn't fit what this offense needs, and I wasn't a fan of
1:07:57
the signing to begin with.
1:07:59
I think he's okay at best now.
1:08:02
But look man, sometimes the numbers lie, and you can throw all the stats at me
1:08:06
from this game and combine his receptions into his, runs to make his, you
1:08:11
know, yards per touch look better and all that stuff That wasn't good to me.
1:08:15
That was okay at best.
1:08:17
Clinton: I think it's a pretty good performance, and, you know, when you
1:08:20
get into- when you play an NFL game, touch the ball 20-some odd times and score two
1:08:25
touchdowns, I think you're at least a B, even if it, even if it's volume, you
1:08:30
know, created and opportunity created.
1:08:33
It's…
1:08:33
He still did the job he was asked, so to me that's, that's
1:08:36
at least a, a B, which is good.
1:08:37
but I understand.
1:08:38
I get your point of view, and we did talk about on the wide zone stuff,
1:08:43
he's not a very good fit for it, and that's why you bring in Shead.
1:08:47
It'll be really cool to see next week with a team that kind of did a lot of
1:08:51
this when Deebo, and is still doing it, but when Deebo was real, real Deebo.
1:08:55
I mean, he was, like, RB one for them for a couple of weeks, a half a season there.
1:08:59
I do wonder if, if we'll get the itch to see a little bit more Shead.
1:09:03
You know, even if it's like, hey, it's five or six attempts back there
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instead of one or two, and that's when you can start doing some of the, the
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alterations off of that stuff, and the boots off of some stuff with Shead on
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the field to maybe get some free yards.
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So we'll keep an eye on that.
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And there's also KNTSDP.
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He's got a lot of, math down there talking about the penalty yards, which
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we know that we out- we h- There were more penalty yards than offensive
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yards in terms of 148 for passing, 130, 138 for rushing, and 150 for, for
1:09:35
penalties, which was not very good.
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But we have one more slide here before we wrap, and we got
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Yokai Hawk who's with us live.
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Thank you for the 1,000 yen donation.
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He's also talking about, you know, the eight 15-yard
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penalties, which were just…
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That's outrageous.
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But we wanna end on a positive here.
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We're gonna end with an in.
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Car Car saying, "In.
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The score was close, but I never truly felt like we would lose this."
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And honestly, that's exactly how I felt.
1:10:02
That is exactly how…
1:10:03
Even putting the ball back with a 1:40, I'm like, "They're not tying the game up."
1:10:07
And if they did, I was like, "They're gonna go for two
1:10:09
if they do tie the game up."
1:10:11
I know.
1:10:11
Yeah.
1:10:11
Which that, that was the only thing I was nervous about, but I was like,
1:10:14
"They're not, they're not gonna happen."
1:10:15
And Chenny Goldjackets, who Uchenna Nwosu, with the revenge game that Brandan called
1:10:20
for, gets a strip sack to seal it, Adam.
1:10:23
Adam: He surely does.
1:10:24
look, I didn't think that they would possibly lose that game to the Commanders
1:10:28
either, but they did all the things that you do for a much lesser team to beat
1:10:33
you, and they tried to do it again this week, like, with all of the penalties.
1:10:38
And I am encouraged that Mike will get it handled because I watched his
1:10:43
presser- Mm-hmm … right after.
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I know that he doesn't show a lot of emotion.
1:10:49
He was on fire about those penalties, and I know it'll be addressed in, you know,
1:10:56
one of the reporters asked him, "Well, what, what do you do other than yell?"
1:10:59
And, you could tell he's like just on the inside being like,
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"Do I have to do anything else?"
1:11:05
Yeah, I'm gonna yell at these [catfish].
1:11:06
You know?
1:11:07
Like- Yeah … oh my God, yeah.
1:11:08
Clinton: Yeah, it was…
1:11:09
it's, the reactions, what you want.
1:11:12
Is what…
1:11:12
it's exactly what you want, and you don't want, a coach over…
1:11:16
it- it's, hey, but his, his focus in the locker room afterwards,
1:11:19
like, "Hey, any win in the NFL is val- is, A, valuable, but also
1:11:24
it, it, the NFL's really hard.
1:11:26
So let's recognize that, let's recognize the effort, and that's not exact-
1:11:31
that's not how we play football."
1:11:32
And to your point, and what you've been saying just a l- right before
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that about, hey, if we try to give the game away versus the 49ers, we're
1:11:40
gonna give the game away, and we just, we can't- Yeah … afford to do that.
1:11:43
Now, Mike Macdonald has had a, a really strong, start of his Seahawks
1:11:48
career when it comes to betwixing Shanahan and getting Purdy into
1:11:53
situations where Purdy is heated up, has to make decisions faster than he wants
1:11:57
to, and Purdy-turdies start flying.
1:12:00
And we've been really advantageous about grabbing some Purdy-turdies
1:12:04
and shutting him down, making, making him look like a much lesser QB.
1:12:10
I thought the pressure this week was more consistent from our, from our defense.
1:12:14
I think we're, we're surging into f- we're fairly healthy.
1:12:19
We're getting healthier in some other core positions as well, and I think
1:12:23
this is gonna be a, a beautiful early season test with a 4-0 Niners team's
1:12:28
gonna come back to Seattle, where Adam, last time they were in Seattle,
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what was the score of that game the last time they visited the PNW?
1:12:35
Adam: Oh, let's see.
1:12:37
They came here, and the final score was [catfish] ton to nothing, basically.
1:12:42
Like, that's what it was.
1:12:43
Basically.
1:12:43
Clinton: Yeah.
1:12:44
Adam: Yeah.
1:12:44
Yeah.
1:12:44
Clinton: I think, I think it was officially 41 to six that game, right?
1:12:47
That was the playoff game.
1:12:49
Yeah.
1:12:49
Adam: I don't remember the exact numbers- I think it was,
1:12:51
yeah … but I don't need to.
1:12:51
Right, right.
1:12:51
'Cause the Niners, like, you know, it's cute.
1:12:53
Like, you know, way, way to be.
1:12:55
You made it to the divisional round and all that, but, you know,
1:12:58
then you got put into your place.
1:12:59
You know, one of the things I love about history, Clinton, is it doesn't always
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repeat, but it certainly does rhyme.
1:13:04
And I remember the Niners coming in, late in the year.
1:13:08
They're gonna get the one seed.
1:13:09
This is the highest flying offense you've ever seen.
1:13:11
Brock Purdy's amazing.
1:13:12
Make him the MVP.
1:13:14
And then we sat his ass down with three points, and then
1:13:16
embarrassed him in the playoffs.
1:13:17
I can't wait to see it again next week, Clinton.
1:13:19
Screw the Niners forever.
1:13:21
This was a fun show.
1:13:22
Clinton: And I think with that-
1:13:23
Adam: There's only one thing left to say
1:13:25
… Clinton: go Hawks.
1:13:26
Adam: Go Hawks.