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Mac & Bone Hour 4: Sounds of the Panthers - Ejiro Evero Firing Edition · Mac & Bone Podcast

• 0:19
  Speaker 1: Coming off last night's loss, the Panthers, this is according
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: to Jeremy Fowler, have just fired their defensive coordinator, Agero Avero.
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: They have also fired their defensive pass game coordinator. So
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: some news out of Carolina coming.
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  Speaker 2: Off of last night's loss. That's a good coach, man.
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: You want to react to that?
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  Speaker 3: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: Ezra is a very good coach, very good coach.
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  Speaker 4: They're beat up in the secondary.
• 0:42
  Speaker 3: He's a very good coach, man.
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  Speaker 2: They lost another guy in the secondary last night.
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  Speaker 4: If y'all say that, that has.
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  Speaker 3: Me thinking is that, are we sure this is a
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  Speaker 3: decision by David Canales or did ownership come down.
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  Speaker 2: And force something like that to happen?
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  Speaker 4: Because if y'all know he's a good coach, David Canales
• 0:59
  Speaker 4: knows he's a good coach.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just suggesting. I don't know. I'm just suggesting. There
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  Speaker 2: you go.
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  Speaker 4: That was the reaction live on the air. Dan Orlov
• 1:08
  Speaker 4: on ESPN First Take.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go, football coach.
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  Speaker 4: Dan Orlovsky's mouth was wide open. his jaw had dropped
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  Speaker 4: that averro got fired it happened as most newsy items
• 1:21
  Speaker 4: do bone close to when we got off the air
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  Speaker 4: like right like within 10 minutes of us being off
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  Speaker 4: the air if not like even less than that we
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  Speaker 4: found out.
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  Speaker 2: About it they've evacuated the radio microphones they're gone great
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  Speaker 2: news now great news now.
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  Speaker 4: That averro defenders off the air now it's safe It's safe.
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  Speaker 4: He's gone. He won't get to react until Monday. Anyway,
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  Speaker 4: we're going to talk about it here. We're going to
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  Speaker 4: let you hear more reaction to the firing of Avero.
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  Speaker 4: My first reaction was I thought the defense kind of
• 1:55
  Speaker 4: was certainly better than the offense. Defense allowed seven points
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  Speaker 4: in the second half, despite down to their fifth, sixth,
• 2:02
  Speaker 4: seventh corner. But I think P-Man and a lot of
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  Speaker 4: people made a good point. What if it was decided
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  Speaker 4: after the Tampa game? That's a cruel business. It's a
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  Speaker 4: cruel business if they knew they were firing him and said,
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  Speaker 4: let's just make him coach for us in a few days.
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  Speaker 4: But we know it's a cruel business. So that obviously
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  Speaker 4: is a possibility. We're going to let you hear what
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  Speaker 4: Dave had to say about it. We will talk through
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  Speaker 4: it a little bit. Our guy, Formal Timothy, was like so.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: He was coming at me earlier in a way that
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  Speaker 4: made it seem like I was really defending Averro and
• 2:37
  Speaker 4: saying this is a horrible move. My reaction isn't that
• 2:40
  Speaker 4: this is a horrible move. I mean, you give up
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  Speaker 4: 200 plus rush yards a game. You're in your fourth
• 2:45
  Speaker 4: year here, your third year with this coaching staff, with
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  Speaker 4: Coach Canales and Dan Morgan, and we're not past those
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  Speaker 4: crap shows like we saw against the Bears in Tampa.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not going to sit here and cry
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  Speaker 2: and scream about it. I do think it's, I just,
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  Speaker 2: all I want is kind of balance. I don't believe
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  Speaker 2: the narrative's bone from some people. It's some people in
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  Speaker 2: the media too, that, that insisted a Girovera was horrible
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  Speaker 2: at his job. Like I go back to his first
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  Speaker 2: year here when Frank Reich was the head coach. and
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  Speaker 2: he had us fourth in total defense. And I'm not
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  Speaker 2: saying they were great or perfect. He had a 16
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  Speaker 2: yards per play and they got no help from that
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  Speaker 2: offense that year.
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  Speaker 4: And, but then the next year is one of the
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  Speaker 4: worst years in the history of defensive football. But last
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  Speaker 4: year I thought Dan Morgan gave him more talent to
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  Speaker 4: work with. And last year he put us in the
• 3:34
  Speaker 4: middle of the pack, but this year, like the injuries
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  Speaker 4: are definitely making his job harder, but They had to be.
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  Speaker 2: A top 10 unit this year. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: And they're nowhere near. Did a great job against Gibbs
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  Speaker 2: and B. John Robinson. It was just that the weeks
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  Speaker 2: that it didn't work were just so outlandishly bad from
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  Speaker 2: a numbers standpoint. Losing to the Bears with the way
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  Speaker 2: they operate and how their offense is, there's really no
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  Speaker 2: shame in losing to the Bears. It's just the way
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  Speaker 2: in which you lost. Losing a divisional game in the
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  Speaker 2: NFC South is not shocking. But again, at Tampa Bay,
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  Speaker 2: it was the way in which it went down. So
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  Speaker 2: losses are one thing. But like you said, I thought
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  Speaker 2: we were past the, oh, my God, how did they
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  Speaker 2: get embarrassed to that level type of performance? Yeah, I did, too.
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  Speaker 2: And again, I don't want to I don't come across
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  Speaker 2: as crying about it too much.
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  Speaker 4: I am actually intrigued by Todd Walsh's history as a D.C.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't realize, Bone, that he had five years there
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  Speaker 4: in Jacksonville and the first three were all top 10 defenses.
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  Speaker 4: But that all top 10 pass defenses. Now, the problem
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  Speaker 4: is the run defense numbers weren't as good. And I
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  Speaker 4: would think the run defense is the thing we're worried
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  Speaker 4: about the most here. So I don't have any grand feelings, though,
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  Speaker 4: that Todd Walsh is going to wave a magic wand
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  Speaker 4: and change it. I do think we'll get better defensively
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  Speaker 4: when Phillips and the corners come back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Right. But I, but I don't think, you know, is
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  Speaker 4: that going to be attributed to Todd wash? I almost
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  Speaker 4: feel like bone. I don't know if it was Tepper
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  Speaker 4: pressure over there. I don't know if it was Dave
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  Speaker 4: feeling pressure because, uh, Tepper said before the season, this
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  Speaker 4: is a playoff roster. I don't know if Dave was
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  Speaker 4: kind of getting that feeling that the walls are closing
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  Speaker 4: in on all of them. It feels like something you
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  Speaker 4: do to do something when things have gotten pathetic.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I don't think, Mac, there'll
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  Speaker 2: be a meeting that Tepper's involved in where Tepper's not
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  Speaker 2: going to be a straight shooter and give you the
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  Speaker 2: honest truth. I don't think Tepper would have said, Mac,
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  Speaker 2: after a loss, the second in a week.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm fine.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever. It's all good. Whatever you want to do. Tepper's
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  Speaker 2: going to tell you what he thinks. It may not
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  Speaker 2: directly say fire guy, but he's going to put it
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  Speaker 2: in your head that something needs to change. Tepper involved
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  Speaker 2: in a meeting isn't going to sit in the background
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  Speaker 2: and be like, yeah, whatever you want to do. No,
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  Speaker 2: he's involved in the meeting for a reason, right?
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  Speaker 4: And Dave said he talked it over throughout the whole
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  Speaker 4: process with Tepper, with Tillis, with Morgan. So did Dave
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  Speaker 4: just get the feeling, oh. He ain't happy, and I
• 6:02
  Speaker 4: know why he ain't happy. Because he's not going to
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  Speaker 4: do it to Brad, Idzik. right? Even though the offense
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  Speaker 4: has been atrocious for two games. That's the crazy thing
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  Speaker 4: about this is I would argue the defense has been
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  Speaker 4: pretty good in five of the seven, just horrendous in
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  Speaker 4: the seven. I would argue in the two, I would
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  Speaker 4: argue bone the offense. Now the offense I thought was
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  Speaker 4: damn good over a five game span and then terrible
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  Speaker 4: the last two. But again, each side of the ball
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  Speaker 4: has an injury epidemic. The O-line on offense is And
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  Speaker 4: then the corners on defense, you know? All right, let's
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  Speaker 4: get some of the sounds here. I promise you sounds,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm yapping. I'm yapping my big yapping here.
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  Speaker 2: I think they got caught by surprise a little bit
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  Speaker 2: by Tampa Bay's strategy also to not throw the ball
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  Speaker 2: at all. And then, Mac, funny enough, Atlanta should have
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  Speaker 2: seen it coming, and they fell for it.
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  Speaker 4: Atlanta said, surely they won't be able to do that again. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: they'll just throw it three times and not complete any
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  Speaker 4: of them in a monsoon and run for. 322 on you.
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  Speaker 4: All right, anyway, let's get to some of these clips here.
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  Speaker 4: So this is Coach Canales playing. talking about why the
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  Speaker 4: change came now.
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  Speaker 5: They're just collecting a lot of information over the course
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  Speaker 5: of our time that really led to the decision. And ultimately,
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  Speaker 5: when I look at how many games we have in
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  Speaker 5: front of us, the position we're at in the division,
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  Speaker 5: and really just wanting to get the most out of
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  Speaker 5: our guys and really making that decision, I take that
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  Speaker 5: responsibility very seriously as the head coach. I know it's
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  Speaker 5: my responsibility to put the players first in a position
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  Speaker 5: where they feel confident, where they feel ready to go.
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  Speaker 5: And so just took in a lot of information and
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  Speaker 5: came to this conclusion at this point right now to
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  Speaker 5: be able to lay the groundwork for the style of
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  Speaker 5: football that we want to play.
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  Speaker 4: Now, he also, Bone, was asked about the thing that
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  Speaker 4: we just discussed is, you know, did you decide this
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  Speaker 4: after the Tampa game?
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  Speaker 2: You know, when did you come to this decision?
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  Speaker 5: I can't really put my finger on one specific moment, Joe,
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  Speaker 5: but just the accumulation of just all the information that
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  Speaker 5: we were gathering and collecting, you know, the timing of it,
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  Speaker 5: you know, there's certainly sensitive parts of that, you know,
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  Speaker 5: going into this week where we have more time to
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  Speaker 5: be able to figure out, okay, what's this going to
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  Speaker 5: look like now? Assigning things to guys on the staff,
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  Speaker 5: talking about how we're going to, you know, teach things,
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  Speaker 5: how we're going to bring all that together. Those things
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  Speaker 5: take time. And I certainly understand the challenge in front
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  Speaker 5: of us to be able to get this group to
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  Speaker 5: come together in the different ways that we're going to
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  Speaker 5: deploy our defense. But this gives us a little bit
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  Speaker 5: more time going into this week.
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  Speaker 4: That was definitely an interesting response, Bone, because he didn't
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  Speaker 4: come out and say, yeah, last night after the game,
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  Speaker 4: I thought about it overnight. He didn't really give the
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  Speaker 4: time frame. And that's what you would do. You would
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  Speaker 4: not want it to get out there that, oh, we
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  Speaker 4: had made up our mind Averro and Cooley were going
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  Speaker 4: to be fired on Sunday. Even though we understand those
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  Speaker 4: things happen in the business, you got to wait for
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  Speaker 4: the mini buy.
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  Speaker 2: You can't do it on a short week.
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  Speaker 4: It's to admit that. You know what I mean? I
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  Speaker 4: don't think any coach would go as far as him.
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  Speaker 2: They did. Per Jonathan Jones and sources with The Athletic today,
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  Speaker 2: the Panthers have brought back D'Angelo Hall to help coach
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  Speaker 2: the DBs. Yeah. Guy that was in a smaller role,
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  Speaker 2: like kind of background role a couple years ago, but
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  Speaker 2: they brought him back now. So we'll see. We'll see
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  Speaker 2: what that means. I do believe D'Angelo Hall was on
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  Speaker 2: the list of guys that Smitty embarrassed at some point
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  Speaker 2: in his career. A long list, very long list there
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  Speaker 2: of gentlemen. Let me go through my list here. No,
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  Speaker 2: you're not Fred Smoot, but what did he do to you?
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  Speaker 2: People are asking what Jonathan Cooley does. He's the passing
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  Speaker 2: game coordinator on defense. He worked a lot with the DBs,
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  Speaker 2: which is why they're bringing Hall in to work with
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  Speaker 2: the DBs. This texter says, were they disappointed Cooley and
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  Speaker 2: Averro didn't have these backup DBs more ready to play?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, they are what they are, right? You're playing
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  Speaker 4: with practice squad guys. I do think the thought that
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  Speaker 4: somebody put out, somebody asked a question.
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  Speaker 2: I asked Frank about it.
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  Speaker 4: Like, could Averro have staunchly wanted to keep playing Evans?
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  Speaker 4: And that was being held against him?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be.
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  Speaker 4: Because Marco Wilson looked like a guy that should have
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  Speaker 4: been playing three weeks ago.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt. If not a month ago, you know?
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure it's a collection of all these type of things.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure it's not one moment. It's the... horrible performances
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  Speaker 2: it's who's played it's it's it's everything in the one
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  Speaker 2: year and is why averro uh is no longer and
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  Speaker 2: the good news this is gonna settle that's gonna solve
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  Speaker 2: everything but we go we go we never gonna lose
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  Speaker 2: again this season because of this i don't see it
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  Speaker 2: happening all right anyway let's get to a couple more
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  Speaker 2: here from canalis um he was asked about like was
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  Speaker 2: there a disconnect in the messaging coming because a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people trying to figure out okay why cooley i
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  Speaker 2: think it might be as simple as cooley was averro's
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  Speaker 2: guy They were together for two years in LA. He's
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  Speaker 2: highly thought of, too, in a lot of coaching lists
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  Speaker 2: and emerging names in the industry. Jonathan Cooley's name does
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  Speaker 2: come up on those lists. So I just think they
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  Speaker 2: were tight, probably. But anyway, he was asked about the
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  Speaker 2: messaging from those two.
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  Speaker 5: It was a collection of a lot of different things, Mike,
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  Speaker 5: to be fair, without going into anything specifically. And as
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  Speaker 5: we move forward, as we're looking to bring this group together,
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  Speaker 5: that communication piece, you know, all the way through it,
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  Speaker 5: you know, that the whole 11 operating as one unit,
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  Speaker 5: being able to fly the ball the right way together,
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  Speaker 5: all those things, that'll be the focal point, you know,
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  Speaker 5: and it'll start with the run game. It'll start with
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  Speaker 5: the guys just coming together with the great understanding of
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  Speaker 5: what they're being asked of so they can play fast
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  Speaker 5: and they can play aggressively.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, people are asking about the offensive line.
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  Speaker 2: Why aren't the offensive line coaches gone?
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  Speaker 4: If your ability to handle backups is a problem. Joe
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  Speaker 4: Person did say, his sources told him that Canales is
• 12:03
  Speaker 4: considering changes to the O-line. Didn't really say anything about
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  Speaker 4: the staff, but personnel. The obvious one is, can Brady
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  Speaker 4: Christensen play somewhere? Yeah, you would think so. Because he's healthy.
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  Speaker 4: He is healthy and ready to be brought up, but
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  Speaker 4: they didn't think they needed him.
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  Speaker 2: They thought they were fine. The other thing, too, is
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  Speaker 2: we thought that free-wing was going to be a guy, Mac,
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  Speaker 2: that was put sort of on ice when the year
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  Speaker 2: began before the injuries. He got thrown in there. Well,
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  Speaker 2: what about Heck, though, at center? Were they going to
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  Speaker 2: have two draft choices on the offensive line that they
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: were kind of stowing away? Because I would think at
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  Speaker 2: some point the way the Fortners played, Heck can't do
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  Speaker 2: worse than that. I ask, what the heck? I didn't
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  Speaker 2: really mean to stumble into that. Well played, well played.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, I would, I mean, at some point.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I've been saying for weeks. I wouldn't mind seeing,
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  Speaker 2: is this dude just not ready either?
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  Speaker 4: For weeks, yeah. How not ready is Sam Heck? The
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  Speaker 4: Brady Christensen question is a good one as well. Person
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  Speaker 4: also reported, Bone, that Canales stuck with Averro longer than
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  Speaker 4: some in the organization thought he would.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting.
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  Speaker 4: So there were some there that thought that this would
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  Speaker 4: have happened beforehand. I just think like, what were you
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  Speaker 4: going to fire him after? I guess the time would
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  Speaker 4: have been 2024 because, because after last year, they were
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  Speaker 4: the better unit than the offense last year.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt.
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  Speaker 4: They made a pretty big jump last year. Anyway, all right,
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  Speaker 4: let's get to this one about Todd Walsh because a
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  Speaker 4: lot of people are asking, okay, why the heck Todd Walsh?
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  Speaker 4: I think it's two things, Bo. One is his experience,
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  Speaker 4: five years as a DC in Jacksonville, and the other
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  Speaker 4: one is he and Canales know each other from their
• 13:40
  Speaker 4: time together in Seattle. People looking for a reason why
• 13:44
  Speaker 4: the O-line coaches aren't fired might very well be that
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  Speaker 4: Goody and Gilbert are his guys. They've been together in
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  Speaker 4: the past. He'd probably trust them.
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  Speaker 2: Um, so it was easier to get rid of, uh,
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  Speaker 2: guys that were not as guys and guys that are
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  Speaker 2: as guys. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, just like a feeling of like, just more
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  Speaker 4: trust or whatever it might be. But anyway, this is
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  Speaker 4: a canal is telling us what to expect from Todd
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  Speaker 4: wash as the interim DC.
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  Speaker 5: Just want to see the guys connected. Um, I want
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  Speaker 5: to see them excited about going out there and executing
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  Speaker 5: the plan and, uh, playing fast, playing the physical brand
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  Speaker 5: and the effort's been there, you know, and, and, Those
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  Speaker 5: things are right, but I know that we can make
• 14:22
  Speaker 5: strides with being able to get everybody on the same page,
• 14:26
  Speaker 5: tying in the whole unit. 11 is one. Do your
• 14:29
  Speaker 5: one 11th and being able to execute that way. So
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  Speaker 5: that's what I'm hoping happens. And for me, philosophically speaking,
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  Speaker 5: it starts with the run game. It starts with owning
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  Speaker 5: first and second down and being able to be aggressive
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  Speaker 5: and attacking in different ways.
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  Speaker 4: Um, texter says, listening to Dave talk, I agree with Garcia.
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  Speaker 4: This coach is soft. That's redhead one, redhead one.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely. Uh, redhead one, no tough guy.
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  Speaker 4: Redhead one. He's getting a little riled up. Listen, I
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: think we've all asked that question a little bit of
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  Speaker 4: his approach.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, does he have that
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  Speaker 2: toughness when it's required? I'll say this. Um, He made this,
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  Speaker 2: he says it's his decision.
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  Speaker 4: I haven't read anybody saying this was Tepper's decision or anything.
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  Speaker 4: This was a tough decision to make. You could see
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  Speaker 4: it on his face bone. He was not enjoying firing
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: these guys. You could see on his face in the presser,
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: you know, so that takes a cutting edge to be
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: able to make this decision. Brian says, Mac, if you
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  Speaker 4: don't think the defense was garbage on Thursday and justified
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  Speaker 4: for firing, then you don't know ball. They did not
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  Speaker 4: get any pressure, um, uh, on Jordan love. Yeah. I've
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: heard a lot of people talk about this bone. Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it was notable. The pressure that was on Bryce was 51%.
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: It was like 28% or something. According to PFF was
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: zero sacks compared to six. Here's the thing though. How
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: much do you blame that on a Vero? He blitz 51%
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  Speaker 4: of the time. That is huge. He altered his approach
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: this year bone to be way more blitz heavy. He
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: was trying to, to send more pressure. And sometimes it works.
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: Sometimes it did not.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: I will say this.
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: It did appear, Bone, that the offensive staff for Green
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: Bay kind of had his– pressure's figured out he did
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: you know what i mean but if you at some
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: point can it be the player's fault you're not getting pressure.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: I thought they did better than i thought they would
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: against green bay honestly all things considered.
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: But you're not talking about the pressure though there was really.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: Just the overall game plan and performance was better than
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: i thought it was going to be against green bay Essentially,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: it was a short week to prepare. I thought they
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: did all right in that game.
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: They didn't have Phillips. That played a factor. The Blitz
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: is not getting home. Yeah, you can probably say, hey,
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: they had those covered. But at some point, do we
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: want to call out Princely and Pat Jones?
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: That's where I'm at with that whole thing.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: We come back. Jeff Collins, longtime college coach and now
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: YouTube film star, joins us to talk all things college football.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Sports Radio 92.7 WFNZ.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: Sports Radio 92.7 WFNC. Mack and Bone Show with you here.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: We're full control, baby. Full control of the show. College
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: basketball is underway. You had Villanova and Notre Dame. in
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: the Pope classic bone over in Rome, Notre Dame got
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: a win for the ACC there. We have this, um, uh,
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: marathon of games in rock Hill where high point got
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: a win in a game that started at midnight. Shout
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: out to HP Brody who stayed up to watch that game.
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: And right now we got a local battle, right?
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Bonesy.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a Queens and Winthrop right now. I
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: believe Queens is leading of last update. I think by, uh,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: by eight at the, uh, 11-35 mark of the first half, 22-14.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: It's here, baby. And half won by 14 against Mary Mac.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: It's here. Damn near everybody's playing tonight. Duke, UNC, State,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Charlotte is at Indiana State tonight in Wes Miller's first
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: regular season game.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: So it's time, baby. Just throw college basketball. I love
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: this time of year, Bone. You've got the football and
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: basketball mixed up together. Our next guest, though, is here
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: to talk about the college football side of things. Knows
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: the ACC. coached in it for years and now is
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: doing great video content out there he is at coach
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: collins uh if you want to find him on instagram
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: or on twitter slash x and coach jeff collins joins
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: us here to talk ball on the mac and bone
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: show coach what's going on how you doing.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Living the dream. I appreciate you guys having me on again, man.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: Why did I even ask, coach? Your attitude right now,
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: why did I even ask you? Let's talk through some
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: of this stuff. The Miami Carolina game was an amazing game.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: I was so impressed that Carolina and Billy Edwards kept
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: coming back and matching them and making plays.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Did that, what did you think?
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: Did that game tell us, you know, it had to
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: tell you some good things I would think about Carolina.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: Is Miami vulnerable on the pass defense side? What did
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: you make of that game?
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Every every single weekend in college football is just nuts nowadays.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: It just, you know, you never know if, you know,
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Miami fell into the trap of looking ahead to the
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: following week's huge battle in South Bend, you know, college games,
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: game day is going to be there. Or if just
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: North Carolina came out on fire and, and played a
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: great game against what is really one of the best
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: defenses in the country, Miami. So hats off to Bobby
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: Petrino and the offense, and that quarterback is just a warrior,
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: tough dude. And then, you know, I know there's a
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: lot of conversation about the referees and all those things
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: on the back-to-back onside kicks. And when you go back
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: and watch it, because I've been a head coach, by
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: the letter of the law, they were accurate calls. But
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: I can understand the consternation and the conversation surrounding being
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: that dialed in by the referees to make those two
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: critical calls.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: The fact it was Miami, Coach, might have got mentioned
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: a few times on the show today.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Absolutely. Coach, how much progress have you
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: seen from the heels from last year to this year,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: year two under Belichick? And even though they lost, how
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: much is this program coming along under Belichick?
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's obviously never moral victories, but when you're building something,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: last year was it is what it was, right? Don't
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: need to revisit that, but this year's team seems to
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: be playing a more cohesive brand of football. They look
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: aligned on the coaching staff and the players, and the
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: biggest takeaway for me is the defensive front for Carolina
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: is That's been the biggest area of growth. Well, they're
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: in the tight end room. That tight end room is special.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: But the D-line and the tight ends, there's been noticeable
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: improvements at those two positions.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: Coach, I asked about Miami's past defense, and you were
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: talking about how crazy it is. Am I just nitpicking?
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, their offense might be able to outscore anybody
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: they play in the country, but I saw Florida State
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: be able to pass the ball on them, now Carolina
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: with Billy Edwards. Am I just nitpicking too much if
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: I start pointing that out, or do you feel like, hey,
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: that could be something in a playoff game that could
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: cost them?
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it could cost them this coming up week.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: I think the war with Corey Heatherman and their defensive staff,
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: but I think they lost two first-rounders on that defensive line.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: And the best way to cover people is to get
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: after the quarterback. And they're not doing that as well
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: as they were the year before, and they're having to
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: put DBs in more compromising positions by blitzing and all
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: these other things. that last year they could just rush four,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: put doubles, and play cover two on the back end
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: and still get sacks and great coverage. Now they're having
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: to load the box more, put the DBs in more
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: disadvantageous positions, and I think they've been getting exposed at
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: times this season.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Coach, Wake Forest isn't just winning games. They are rolling
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: now in dominant fashion. We talk a lot about Hernandez
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: and Gio Lopez in the offense, but how impressed have
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: you been with Wake Forest defensively, and how are they
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: doing it on that side of the ball?
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: I don't like to toot my own horn, but I
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: did a 30-camp road trip in preseason camp. And at
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: the end of that road trip, I came back and
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: on my first episode of the show, I was like,
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Wake Forest has the potential to be scary good. And
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: I'm right. And so that's very rewarding on that end.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: But just I went out to practice in preseason to
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: watch Jake Dickert run the program. The length and speed
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: they have on the defensive side of the ball is
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: ridiculously impressive. And then what they do schematically create problems
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: for defenses from an offensive perspective. And they're so aggressive
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: and play such good stifling defense on that side of
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: the ball. It is just a great brand of football,
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: and not enough people are getting to see it and
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: recognize it. But hopefully on my show I'll start doing
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: some Wake Forest breakdowns because there's so much fun stuff
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: to talk about with that team.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: Oh, man, they are so much fun to watch. And
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: you're right, both sides of the ball, whether it's that
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: defensive front getting after it or just the explosive offense
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: run by Gio Lopez. We're talking to Coach Jeff Collins,
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: who is joining us here on the show. He's going
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: to tell you– how to get ahold of all that
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: great content. He's doing a lot of great videos and stuff.
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: And obviously he knows ball. Obviously he was right about
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: Wake Forest coach. What do you think about Wake Forest chances? Like,
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: I guess it's hard to read the committee's minds. I
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: always fear being here in ACC country that like they will,
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: if they can, they will err on the side of
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: an SEC school with three losses. Like does Wake have
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: to beat Miami, do you think, to get in? Or
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: do you feel like they could lose to Miami a
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: second time? and still make it with two losses?
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I've got to imagine. I've been in the
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: ACC for a long time. I've been in the SEC
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: for a long time. But you've got to get two
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: ACC schools in.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: You've got to, right?
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: And I think, in my opinion, and this was even
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: before SMU lost to Syracuse, I said the two best
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: teams are Miami and then Wake Forest. And then I
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: just think that if Jake Dickert gets another chance at
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Miami in the championship game, I mean, that's not a
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: gimme for the Hurricanes, you know, because Wake Forest will
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: have earned their right in that game. They'll be playing
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: with a lot of confidence. And I think it could
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: be very intriguing, that matchup, if it comes down to it.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: I hope they get in, even if they're two losses
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: with both of them being in Miami. Yeah, yeah.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Coach, Duke is now 6-2. They are ahead of the
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: pace they were at last year with Mensah. What is
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: it about Manny Diaz and his fit with Duke that
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: has worked out so well for him?
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: I'm a huge Manny Diaz fan. He and I are
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: very close. I replaced him as the defense coordinator at
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Mississippi State. Then he replaced me as the defense coordinator
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: at Mississippi State. Then he replaced me as the head
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: coach at Temple for 10 days. I think he's just
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: done a I just think he's done a phenomenal job
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: with that entire program. The unsung hero is Dave Feely.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: His strength coach is amazing. Getting him to stay and
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: not go to Texas A & M was a huge
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: win that not enough people talk about. But I just
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: think the fit of Manny's personality, how he's approached this
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: job in this era of college football has been amazing.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: And what they beat the Boston College 50-2, something ridiculous. 47-2, yeah. 47-2, right?
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Never let facts get in the way of a good story.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: I just texted him after the game, and I texted
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Dave Feeley, and it was just two words. I said,
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: dear Lord, just for the performance.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: That Dave put on, man.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: It was a dominant, great defense, and that's an offense
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: that had just hung 49 on Georgia Tech and 404
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: yards rushing the week before. And they held them to
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: a shutout. And I just thought it was such a
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: great performance and a team win. They're scary good down
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: the stretch, too.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Their only two they gave up was off the block PAT.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: It was crazy.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: 100%.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Crazy.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: So, Coach, I've got to ask you about NC State's situation.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: And it's twofold. One is I know you coached against
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: Dave Doran. And you're familiar with his work. How did
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: you feel about them choosing now to go a different direction?
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: And then the second part is, it sounds like from
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: all reports that their first choice is Phillip Rivers, who
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: only has high school coaching experience. And I wonder, do
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: you look at that and does that bother you? Like
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: as someone that has all this head coaching experience, And
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: you see them going, you know, they might go in
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: that direction. What do you think about those two facets
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: of the NC State situation?
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: So the first one, I hate it for Dave Dorn
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: because he's such a tremendous coach and a tremendous man
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: and has done so much for that university. But, you know,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: one of my dear older coaches in my career always
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: told me that coaches are like office furniture, right? and
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: you spend enough time at one place, eventually they're going
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: to get tired of the office furniture and want to
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: bring new office furniture in. And that's just kind of
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: what it was. It was just, you know, he had
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: won so much, but then, you know, had a season
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: or two where it wasn't winning as much. They felt
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: it was time to make a change, whatever, but tremendous coach.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: And I don't think, and I did a bit on
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: my show this week about interim coaches and I don't
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: think that that performance by the Wolfpack against– who did
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: they just beat the crap out of, Cal?
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Cal, yeah.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that's indicative of– like no interim
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: coach is going to come in and miraculously turn this
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: thing around. What it is is just all of the
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: negativity and hot seat talk that's been happening for seven weeks,
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: it wears on players, it wears on the team, it
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: wears on the staff, and when that pressure is gone–
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: Now the kids get to play free and there's no
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: consequences and they go out and play their best ball.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: And then you see it every single time that this happens.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: So I don't think it's an indictment. This, this new
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: interim coach came in and waved a magic wand and
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: fixed everything, But I do think it's hard for Phillip
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Rivers to be a high school coach and then go
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: be a power forward. This is a power forward job.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: This is not just a starter college coaching job. We're
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: in the triangle. We're one of four teams in the
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: ACC that's in this great state, Like, it's a real
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: big-time job. The thing that if they do go that direction,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: better surround him with phenomenal assistants, phenomenal general manager, offensive
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: coordinators and defensive coordinators that have head coaching experience to
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: kind of guide Phillip Rivers through all of the landmines
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: that exist in this day and age of college football.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: And there are a ton. So it's not going to
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: be an easy learning curve unless you surround him with sound,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: wise advisors and people who have been through the wars
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: and get it. And then he can use his personality
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: and his offensive expertise and fundraising. He'll be great at that.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: But you better have some real dudes in that building
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: with him.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: That staff is important. If they do make that move,
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: that's a hell of a point. By the way, check
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: out Coach's YouTube content on his YouTube channel, at Coach
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: Collins Show. There's stuff about Notre Dame. There's stuff about Georgia, Utah.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: So I don't want everybody to think it's just ACC.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: It's all over the place, and it's great content. You
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: present it well, Coach. You present it with good personality,
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: and obviously you know it. Thanks for joining us, Coach.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: Appreciate you.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: Anytime. Next time, just say, hey, coach, here's the time.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Hop on, and you got me.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: There you go. How about that bone? Talk to you tomorrow, coach.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: See you, boys.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: All right. Be good. There you go. Attempt me with
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: a good guess, fucking. He's great, though. He's really latched
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: on to the mediascape there. He's really good at it.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: I just don't know if he wants to get back
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: into coaching, but he could make this his thing. He's
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: got the combination of the personality and the knowledge.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: He's probably texting Phillip Rivers right now, hey, you need
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: a DC? I was thinking of that.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: I wonder if he was almost thinking that in his
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: mind as he's saying that, because it is going to
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: re we hadn't talked about it much, but it just
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: feels like more and more like it might even be inevitable.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: But yeah, his coaching staff, former head coaches, he's going
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: to need on the staff, strong DC.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: You know? So anyway, that was interesting. We come back.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: It's the wrap up. We got an insane night and
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: day in sports. We'll update Winthrop and Queens as they're
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: still in the first half. And Matt Picante is going
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: to spend his, The Wheel of Redemption. How can he
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: get his pick segment back? We'll find out. Sports Radio
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: 92.7 WFNZ.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: Sports Radio 92.7 WFNZ. Back in bone with you. Coming
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: down the home stretch. Even though the Panthers didn't play
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: this weekend, which, by the way, was for the best
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: for all of our mental and emotional health. And we
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: got to see first place still saved thanks to the
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: Buccaneers in that running game. against, and Michael Penix as well.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: My favorite text of the day was, if y'all ain't,
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: if somebody in the NFL offices ain't checking Penix, Fan Dolan,
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: Draft King accounts this morning, they ain't doing their job.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: Four picks, Bone. There was a minute left in the
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: third quarter. He was four of 12 for 28 yards
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: with four picks.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, we've always said before he has like cartoonish
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: like turnovers. Yesterday was the took the cake, though. I mean,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: it was just like he was out there like Bugs
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Bunny trying to throw a football around.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: And I know it was monsoon territory, which is why
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: Baker only threw it three times.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: They didn't have to throw it.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: But, like, I'm– Pennix after the game is like, I've
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: never had a game like that. And I'm like, yeah,
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: you didn't throw four picks, but you were pretty damn
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: bad here.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Last year in 30-0. Yeah. It was, like, horrible. So, anyway. Back,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: an update from Rock Hill for the Field of 68
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Opening Day Marathon. 4-0-2 to go in the first half.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Queens leads Winthrop.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: 42-30.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, there you go. How about that, Queens?
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: Come on, Queens. Coach Leonard getting it going early, man. Yeah,
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: so it's a big night of college hoops. We've got
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: opening games, Duke Army, Carolina Western, NC State Campbell, the
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: first game of the Justin Ganey era, first game of
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: the Wes Miller era at Indiana State tonight.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Wake's playing Maryland Eastern Shore, and Davidson plays Washington State tonight.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: It would be nice to bounce around and see, take
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: some looks at everybody a little bit. You've got the
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: Hornets in action tonight. It's a 7.30 game, which is
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: not normal for home games here. So if you're going,
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: it's a half hour later tonight. That means on our station,
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: Bone and KB a half hour later at 6.30.
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  Speaker 2: I asked multiple sources within the Hornets why is that tonight,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: and neither source had any idea. It's an NBA decision,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: and no one knows why. It's the only 7.30 start
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: here besides there's an Amazon game later on in the year,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: but we don't ever start at 7.30 here. No, that
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: is an odd one, man. And by the way, how
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: about that 6 o'clock game on ESPN2?
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  Speaker 3: No.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: 1 Florida, No. 14 Miami. yeah that's a hell of
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: an open neutral site game there's some miami fun opener
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: there's some miami sneaky final four type talk for them
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: this year i don't know if i believe it but
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: that's how highly thought of they are yeah man that's
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: um that's gonna be a fun one so it's here
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: man college basketball here and we got bears seahawks what
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: a game that is one storyline to watch matt this
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: week is jonathan taylor might be on the move will
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: he end up with denver bronco by sunday They're one
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: of the teams that's interested in trading. They lost Harvey, R.J.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Harvey.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Are they interested in maybe bringing him in? I think
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: they should wait until Monday. That's my advice. Wait until
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Monday right before the trade deadline, and then you make
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: the move.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Oh, man.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: How about the way Denver won that game yesterday? Goal
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: line stand, and the Chiefs had a... touchdown, called off
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: by a damn penalty. When does that happen? When does it?
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: We know no calls late in games go against Miami.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: I didn't know they went against the Chiefs either.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: I got Brittany Mahomes upset. She said, of course they
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: did it. We're the Chiefs. That's why. Yeah, you never
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: get calls, Britt. was rich man should we bring in
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: picante matt oh i'm not gonna lie i forgot all
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: about so picante lost to me in the picks competition
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: two to one i had two and one he was
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: one and two that's supposed to end his pick segment
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: but we're gonna give him the wheel of redemption mac
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: i've got a list of tasks here whatever one it
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: lands on if he completes the task He can get
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: his segment back, yes. Okay, all right, let's bring him in.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: Picante, who, by the way, is celebrating the opening day
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: of college basketball at Harris.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Cherokee Casino Resort. What's up, Picante?
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: Hey, guys, let's go. Day one, baby, let's go.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: All right, we're going to spin the wheel. Here's what's
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: on here. If it lands on basketball five for five,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: that means you have to go five for five in
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: your college basketball picks today.
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: But I want to do it today anyway because it's
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: about analytics, and the day one is the best day
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: for the covers.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: If it lands on simply the best, you have to
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: sing to me this week, that bone is simply the best,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Tina Turner live on the air.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, God.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: You're terrified of that one, aren't you?
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  Speaker 4: What?
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: You're scared of that one, aren't you?
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: I'm super scared of that one. I'd do anything except
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: that one.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: You have to make us a delicious banana bread or
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: another dessert of our choosing.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: All right. All right.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: You have to join us for our next Panther victory dance.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Love it.
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: I love that one.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: You have to drink hooch with Granny Pat at the doghouse.
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: I'll do it today. Let's go.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: All right. She's not there today. You have to stand
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: at the corner of Mitten Moorhead with a bone. It's
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: my poppy side.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Humiliation. You have to be Fitty's personal driver for his
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: date night.
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: Oh, it will be an honor for me.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: And then you have to add $ 20 to Mac's gambling account.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: But here's the rub on this one. Mac has to
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: use that money. And if he goes 3-0 on college
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: games next weekend, you get your segment back. But you
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: can't help Mac out. It's all in Mac's hands. Wow.
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: I guess I just lost at 20. Okay. You beat
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: me by 0.5, by half a point. That's unbelievable.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: You got more lives than a cat. How the heck
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: you back on here again?
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: This is shameless. Do we have the wheel of redemption?
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: I'm the Dominican Terminator. Let's go.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Can you spin that wheel, big dog? It lands on
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: add $ 20 to Mac's gambling account. Oh, we on, baby.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Your life is now in Mac's hands, Picante. Oh, I
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: got you, Picante. Oh, Lord.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: Can I do a quick pick for today?
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, go ahead.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: What you got today? Okay, look.
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: Pittsburgh minus 27.5. San John minus 28.5. Minnesota minus 26.5. UConn,
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: minus 38.5, and Maryland, minus 31.5. So you just did
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: your segment.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: All favorites, just blowing them out. Yeah, you just squeezed
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: in a basketball segment. I like the passion, because I'm
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: rooting for you. It's in Mac's hands. What could go wrong?
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: And you can't help Mac out either, Picante. I'm going
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: to check your phone. Picante, I'll play Oklahoma State over
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: for you, man. All right, I got you.
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: Let's go, yes. I mean, they're done, but they are
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: the best.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: All right, bro. All right, Picante. I'll be looking for
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: my 20.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: All right?
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: All right, there we go. I don't think he's very
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: thrilled with where that wheel ended up, though. I think
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: he was very excited about either drinking hooch with Randy Pat.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Or making us a delicious dessert.
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: Or dessert or driving Finney around. I think all those
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: things he would have thoroughly enjoyed. Now he's got to
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: throw money into the toilet and flush it, essentially.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Can you go 3-0, Mac?
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: Probably not, but I'm going to give it a go
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: for my man, Picante. I'll give it a go. Flush it.
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: Flush it.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: How about that, though? You're going to have $ 20. 07 on
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: your account. Oh, baby.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: We're back. I'm going to tell Mrs. Mac we're back.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: We back.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: She may move out, though. I'm going to tell her
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: after I get home. If not, she might leave and
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: take all the stuff. All right, y'all.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, look, he wants to know the account. He wants
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: to get it in there, baby. All right.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: So we got to get the heck out of here, man.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: It's going to be lively, baby. It's going to be
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: lively tomorrow. We're going to have the college hoops. We're
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: going to have the Hornets game, Monday night football. Monday
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: night or tonight. And trying to figure out. How the
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: hell do the Panthers stay in first? It feels like
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: we're 0-38, the way my mentality is right now, but
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: we're in first place. So we got to figure out
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: how the hell the Panthers can turn this back around.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: We're out of here, y'all. Have a great day.
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: Enjoy the start of college hoops. We'll talk to y'all
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: tomorrow on this show. It's Young Guns, baby. It's Finney
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: and Schrappi and the boys. The Young Guns are coming
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: up next.