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I Am All In…Again: It’s Always Been There Luke!! (Season 4 E20 “Luke Can See Her Face”) · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I am all in.
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  Speaker 2: Again!
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  Speaker 1: More, more, more. I want to kiss you more. More, more, more.
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  Speaker 1: I want to kiss you more. I Am All In, again,
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  Speaker 1: with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast. Hey, everybody. Scott Patterson,
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  Speaker 1: iAmAllIn Podcast, 111 Productions, iHeartRadio Media. iHeartPodcast.com. We have a
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  Speaker 1: very special recap of Season 4, Episode 20. We have
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  Speaker 1: a very special recap here for Season 4, Episode 20.
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  Speaker 1: Luke can see her face with a very special guest.
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  Speaker 1: She needs no introduction. I've been trying to get to
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  Speaker 1: her for years. I understand she works with Scott Patterson.
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  Speaker 1: I know Scott, and I wanted to get to Suzanne.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a dream come true. I can't believe it.
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  Speaker 1: Suzanne French is here once again.
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  Speaker 2: Hello.
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  Speaker 1: Hello. And hello, Suzanne. Thank you again. I know how
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  Speaker 1: busy you are with your podcasting schedule and, and your,
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  Speaker 1: your new responsibilities at Scotty pieces, big, big mug coffee.
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  Speaker 1: You're the new, uh, newly crowned COO. Only took you
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  Speaker 1: 10 years to get there, but man, you've arrived. You've
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  Speaker 1: really arrived. So thank you again for taking the time. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: This is a transformative episode for Luke Danes after he, uh,
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  Speaker 1: listens and reads the self-help tapes. Liv reveals she's getting
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  Speaker 1: married in a week to TJ, so Jess comes back
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  Speaker 1: to town after Luke convinces them to attend the wedding.
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  Speaker 1: The dragonfly inn is almost ready to open, and Lorelai
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  Speaker 1: is stressing out. Meanwhile, marriage troubles brewing between Lindsay and Dean,
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  Speaker 1: directed by Matthew Diamond, written by Amy Sherman Palladino and
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  Speaker 1: Dan Palladino. We're getting tag-teamed here by the two greats. Overall,
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  Speaker 1: what'd you think, Suzanne?
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  Speaker 2: This is absolutely one of my favorite episodes. And so
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  Speaker 2: I am so excited to get to discuss it with
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  Speaker 2: you because it, as you just said, it is such
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  Speaker 2: a transformative episode for Luke. Like this is so important
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  Speaker 2: in his arc. And I, you know, Amy and Dan
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  Speaker 2: were firing on all cylinders when they put this one together.
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  Speaker 2: And it's a great episode. So I'm looking forward to
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  Speaker 2: digging into it.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Well, we start out with Lorelei's stress about
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  Speaker 1: breaking up with Jason. There's a cat, a lone cat
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  Speaker 1: sitting on Lorelei's porch, just staring at her. And again,
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  Speaker 1: this is the quality of a film by Kirk almost.
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  Speaker 1: It's this sort of abstract, very artistic sensibility, you know,
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  Speaker 1: sort of calling back great moments from old films. And
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  Speaker 1: there's just some weird cat. And somehow the paladinos know
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  Speaker 1: what's funny and that's funny. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And it was a good camera angle, like almost from
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  Speaker 2: the cat's point of view, like the camera was behind
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  Speaker 2: the cat. It was, yeah, it was great.
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  Speaker 1: So that, that was a great, that was one of
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  Speaker 1: the better opening bits that they've, they've ever shot. And,
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  Speaker 1: and Lorelai keeps waking up in the middle of the
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  Speaker 1: night and leaving messages. She, she shows up to Luke's
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  Speaker 1: early because she drank all the coffee in the house
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  Speaker 1: and invites him. to tour the Inn at 5 AM.
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  Speaker 1: Kirk hilariously walks in and asks for the table that
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  Speaker 1: she is resting her head on. Another bizarre scenario involving
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  Speaker 1: Kirk and just the quirky, constant, rapid fire humor that
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  Speaker 1: comes from this show. And I had an experience yesterday, Suzanne.
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  Speaker 1: It's my son's orientation yesterday in middle school. I dropped
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  Speaker 1: them off and then when I went to pick them
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  Speaker 1: up at 12, you know, the eighth grade girls that
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  Speaker 1: were tasked to sort of run this whole thing and
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  Speaker 1: show everybody their lockers and show everybody the campus and
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  Speaker 1: tell everybody what life was like at that particular middle school.
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  Speaker 1: One of them recognized me and then the word spread.
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  Speaker 1: And so it basically turned into a mini con. It's
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  Speaker 1: like selfie city. And they were delightful. And I came
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  Speaker 1: home and I said, you're not going to believe what
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  Speaker 1: just happened. I don't know why I believe it, but
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  Speaker 1: because it happens a lot, but middle school girls are
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  Speaker 1: obsessed with this show.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: 12, 13, 14 year old girls are obsessed with this
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  Speaker 1: show because there, there doesn't seem to be anything on
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  Speaker 1: that they can relate to, or is this smart? And it,
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  Speaker 1: and it, and it is the, this show demands your attention.
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  Speaker 1: It grabs you with the humor and, And it won't
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  Speaker 1: let go. Because we're discussing it at dinner. It's like,
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  Speaker 1: why are these girls at this age? And my wife
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  Speaker 1: was saying that it's because there's not a lot out
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  Speaker 1: there for them. So they go back and they hear
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  Speaker 1: about this show and it's just like, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: word spreads like wildfire and everybody's watching it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And these girls probably have been watching it since
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  Speaker 2: they were infants because their moms watched it. Right, right.
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  Speaker 2: They have, you know, grown up with Luke and Lorelei,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like my generation grew up with the Cunningham family.
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  Speaker 2: You know, like it's just been ingrained in their childhood
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  Speaker 2: since the beginning, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. All right. Now, another hilarious scene. Suki introduces Shell,
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  Speaker 1: the poultry supplier, to Lorelei, trying to set them up.
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  Speaker 1: He's a little irritated that Luke's there because, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's just going to gum up the works and sabotage
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  Speaker 1: her plan somehow just by being there. So Lorelai pretends,
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  Speaker 1: because she's not interested in Chell, that Luke is her
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  Speaker 1: special friend, quote unquote, and puts his arm around her
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  Speaker 1: waist to get rid of this guy. Another hilarious moment.
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  Speaker 1: This is when we really love this couple. This is
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  Speaker 1: when we see them as a couple. And so we
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  Speaker 1: get a glimpse into what their hilarious home life would
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  Speaker 1: be like. Yes. Anyway, Luke and Lorelei confide in each
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  Speaker 1: other about their failed relationships. And she mentioned she'll have
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  Speaker 1: to get some Dr. Phil books to recover from it.
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  Speaker 1: And this prompts Luke to do what? Go get some,
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  Speaker 1: go get some books. He doesn't, he doesn't want to
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  Speaker 1: show Andrew the covers. He'll just give him a hundred.
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  Speaker 1: He's smart to do that. It's a small town. Everybody
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  Speaker 1: would know, right? Yes. Yes. So Lindsay and Dean are,
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  Speaker 1: are fighting at the end. That was a pretty, that
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  Speaker 1: was a pretty brutal fight, wasn't it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was, you know, it was a public place
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  Speaker 2: and they knew they could be overheard, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. They're still so young. They probably weren't,
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  Speaker 2: you know, thinking about decorum or anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: Did she, did she say that she was going to
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  Speaker 1: go out with another guy that night?
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  Speaker 2: She was going out with another couple. So it was
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  Speaker 2: supposed to be like a double date, I guess, like,
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  Speaker 2: their other paired up friends. And so it was going
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  Speaker 2: to be the four of them. And she decided to
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  Speaker 2: go out with them without Dean. So it would be
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  Speaker 2: the three of them. So she wasn't going with a
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  Speaker 2: guy like on a date, but it was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a guy that was dating her other friend.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, let's dive into this Luke and Lorelai stuff
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. Lorelai's stressing about the end, but Luke
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  Speaker 1: keeps reassuring her she can do it. And it's just
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  Speaker 1: what she needs to hear. Was, was Lorelai being too
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  Speaker 1: nitpicky with Suki and Michelle? about the opening?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think it's... They're so close
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  Speaker 2: to the finish line, and they want everything to be perfect,
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  Speaker 2: and Suki and Michelle, well, especially Suki, are really in
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  Speaker 2: with Lorelai on this whole thing. They're sharing the dream,
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  Speaker 2: and so they understand the importance of you want everything
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  Speaker 2: to be as perfect as possible. I think Lorelai was
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  Speaker 2: kind of... you know, maybe overly obsessed with the tiny
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  Speaker 2: little details of everything. And she needed to like step
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  Speaker 2: back and look at the big picture. But I think
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  Speaker 2: in that moment, it makes sense because you're just, it's,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the 11th hour and you're trying to get
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  Speaker 2: everything done, you know, before all your guests are going
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  Speaker 2: to come in. So, you know, I, I, I think
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  Speaker 2: she was right to kind of step back when it
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  Speaker 2: was pointed out to her, but you know, I think
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  Speaker 2: it was just natural for her to, to be nitpicky
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  Speaker 2: at that time, trying to get it right.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Right. Now we get into the sleeping with the
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  Speaker 1: zucchini stuff, which was another hilarious scene, right? When Suki
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  Speaker 1: described it to Lorelai and she says, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, what did you really, you know, she just kept,
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  Speaker 1: she goes, good stuff, great writing, great acting. Suki and
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  Speaker 1: Michelle getting ready for the opening. Suki tells Lorelai, Jackson's
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  Speaker 1: sleeping with the zucchini. So they head to the patch.
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  Speaker 1: At the patch, Lorelai apologizes for being nutty about the
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  Speaker 1: opening and asks everyone to drop something off. their to-do list.
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  Speaker 1: And they all stay the night with the zucchini. And
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  Speaker 1: the next morning, what happens? Luke shows up and asks
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  Speaker 1: Lorelai to Liz's wedding. And she says, yes. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: the smile, that smile that Lorelai gave At the very
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  Speaker 1: end of that scene, when she looked back, it's the
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  Speaker 1: first time she tipped her mitt about how she felt
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  Speaker 1: because she really played that beautifully throughout that whole scene. Like, yeah, sure.
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  Speaker 1: No big deal. We're just friends. Yeah, whatever. Yeah. And
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  Speaker 1: she knew what was going on. Do you think she
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  Speaker 1: knew what was going on?
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  Speaker 2: I think she, she, I don't think she fully realized it.
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  Speaker 2: I think that she knows in the back of her
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  Speaker 2: mind that there's something that going on and now she's
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  Speaker 2: single and he's single and maybe it's like starting to
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  Speaker 2: bubble to the surface a little bit I don't think
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  Speaker 2: she has fully realized yet you know the potential that's
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  Speaker 2: here I think initially she was thinking yeah it would
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  Speaker 2: be good to take a break from all of this
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  Speaker 2: insanity because you know we all just had the conversation
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  Speaker 2: in the zucchini that we're all gonna take it easy
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  Speaker 2: for a little bit So I think at first she
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  Speaker 2: is thinking that, that we're just going to go relax
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  Speaker 2: for a couple hours as friends and, you know, have
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  Speaker 2: fun at this, at this party. But, but as he's
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  Speaker 2: walking away and she's like, Hmm, you know, she is
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  Speaker 2: starting to like, the wheels are starting to turn. Like
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  Speaker 2: she is starting to give it some more thought.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. She caught how uncomfortable and awkward he was. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: All that stuff. The all shucks things. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That was cute. Now, I don't know if you remember
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  Speaker 2: shooting that scene, but it looked accidental that you bumped
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  Speaker 2: into the truck. Was that intentional or was that an accident?
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  Speaker 1: No, that was intentional. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You did a very good job of making it look accidental.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. I try. So anyway, great, great, great scene. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a scene the fans have been waiting
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  Speaker 1: for for a long time. Like finally it's coming and
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  Speaker 1: how appropriate it was to, and how tidy it is
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  Speaker 1: that it's his sister's wedding and that it's a wedding. Right. Right.
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  Speaker 2: It's romantic.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Right. Their first official date.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Sort of still friends, but kind of a date sort
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  Speaker 1: of thing is to a wedding.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right. And as a fan, like, you're starting to
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  Speaker 2: get excited about it because now all the obstacles are clear, right?
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  Speaker 2: We got Jason out of the picture. We got Nicole
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  Speaker 2: out of the picture. There's nothing stopping these two now,
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  Speaker 2: and they're going to have this romantic togetherness happening. And so, like,
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  Speaker 2: as a fan, you're like, okay, like, it's really getting
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  Speaker 2: going now.
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  Speaker 1: Right. But as we know, the Palladinos... Are going to
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  Speaker 1: throw obstacles at us. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They take you right to the edge and then yank
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  Speaker 2: you back again.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Let's get into a little Rory and Paris. Rory's
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  Speaker 1: getting out of class. Paris walks in to talk to Asher.
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  Speaker 1: And she tells her Asher asked her to go to
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  Speaker 1: Oxford with him for the summer. That's a big deal.
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  Speaker 1: Rory gets panicked. Phone call from Paris at the hospital.
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  Speaker 1: She meets up with her and she's freaking out. Asher.
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  Speaker 1: had angina. And I think one of the funniest lines
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  Speaker 1: to ever come out of Paris's mouth is how skeeved
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  Speaker 1: out she was that this older guy just sort of like,
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  Speaker 1: he just, he just went limp and as he was like,
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  Speaker 1: his body just leaned on me. You could just see that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And when she described him laying in the hospital bed
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  Speaker 2: and she says, it's like he was looking at God.
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  Speaker 1: The visual of him just leaning on her like he
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  Speaker 1: was passing out. Like, what is this? Why does a
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  Speaker 1: 19-year-old girl have to deal with that? Right. Just funny stuff.
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  Speaker 1: He's going to be fine, but she realizes how old
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  Speaker 1: he is and that he's ready to have the talk
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  Speaker 1: about it. Okay. That was some hilarious stuff. Yeah. Her
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  Speaker 1: eyes opening up, realizing what the hell she is. As,
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  Speaker 1: as Asher's getting ready to leave the hospital, he tells
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  Speaker 1: Paris if she wants to, and you know, he's no dummy.
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  Speaker 1: He can, he can vibe out the situation. He intuitively
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  Speaker 1: knows that, you know, that wasn't a good look for him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And so he, he, I wonder if this happens every
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  Speaker 1: year with each co-ed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he has some health crisis and they're like, oh
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  Speaker 2: my gosh, he's old.
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  Speaker 1: He tuckers his body out from all the extracurricular activity
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  Speaker 1: with the co-eds. And he just leans into them every year.
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  Speaker 1: And when the daughter showed up, it didn't seem like
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  Speaker 1: she was all that surprised, like she'd done it before. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't seem too concerned. It was like, oh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: dad is up to his old tricks with another girl. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And now she sees two girls in the waiting room. Right. Exactly. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So that, yeah, that was his granddaughter.
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  Speaker 1: Her granddaughter.
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  Speaker 2: And it was, it was kind of an awkward scene
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  Speaker 2: because Rory thought it was like another old girlfriend showing up.
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  Speaker 1: And the old girlfriend thought Rory was a current girlfriend.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So she's like, now he's got two girls. Like you
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  Speaker 1: two girls put my grandfather in the hospital.
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  Speaker 2: We're all the same age.
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  Speaker 1: Like, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The way she was just kind of looking at them
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  Speaker 2: like it was just a normal thing was funny.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, God. Anyway, Asher wants to reassess the relationship. And
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  Speaker 1: then Paris changes her tune.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because she got dumped. He was trying to dump her. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I guess that triggered her.
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  Speaker 2: That was kind of a weird thing because... The way
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  Speaker 2: that they phrased it, he was telling... It was almost
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  Speaker 2: like he was trying to give her an out.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: To reassess this, I would understand that. But it also
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  Speaker 2: could be read as like he was trying to cut
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  Speaker 2: her loose and make it seem like it was her idea.
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  Speaker 1: The top ten... Things to turn on your lady. I
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  Speaker 1: bet you one of them isn't, you know, go limp
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  Speaker 1: and then just sort of lean on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably not on the list of articles or
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  Speaker 2: on the list of the bullet points.
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  Speaker 1: In the GQ article. All right. Fun fact here. All right.
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  Speaker 1: Michael York actually did attend Oxford where he studied English
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  Speaker 1: literature and graduated in 1964.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: That's very cool. Yeah. Isn't that great? Paris has been
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  Speaker 1: so confident. Professor Fleming until he went limp, but ultimately
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  Speaker 1: decides to stay with him. So Suzanne, why do you
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  Speaker 1: think she changed her mind so quickly after a chat
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  Speaker 1: with Rory?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. I think when you see somebody
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  Speaker 2: in the hospital, they look and they look frail. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. It, having worked in hospitals for a
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  Speaker 2: long time, people look different when you put them in
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  Speaker 2: a hospital gown. And I think that she was, she
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  Speaker 2: kind of articulated her thought very well. Like she's like,
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  Speaker 2: what am I doing here? I should be out partying
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  Speaker 2: with my friends, but I'm hanging out with this old guy.
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  Speaker 2: So I think she started to get in her own
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  Speaker 2: head about it. But then once he was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he's up out of bed and he's dressed and he's
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  Speaker 2: ready to leave and he's like, hey, everything's fine. Then
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden everything went back to the way
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  Speaker 2: it was. And she's like, okay, maybe I was just
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  Speaker 2: being silly. Like, why was I worried about that? He
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  Speaker 2: does want to be with me. I want to be
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  Speaker 2: with him. I think it just, everything kind of just
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  Speaker 2: snapped back into its normal mode when she realized, you know, okay,
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  Speaker 2: he's not really like, he's not that ill.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Kara said, I'm 19. I should be rollicking with people.
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  Speaker 1: And then Rory says, yeah, you can't rollick with him.
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  Speaker 1: Plus he's British or something.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think he ever rollicked.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he ever rollicked. He's British.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Paladinos. Boom. Okay. Just so great. Just such. You're right.
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  Speaker 1: This is a really.
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  Speaker 2: It was great in that scene.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Let's do the self-help. Um, But wait a minute,
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute. You know, Alexis was superb. Her exit
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  Speaker 1: from that scene was fantastically funny. Yeah. She handled that
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  Speaker 1: so gracefully and so beautifully. And with her comedy chops
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  Speaker 1: really developed over time. I mean, really, really, that's hard
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  Speaker 1: to pull off. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The timing was great in that scene.
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  Speaker 1: Just fantastic. All right. Luke doing self-help. Luke- Luke's at
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: the bookstore. He doesn't want Andrew to see we talked
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: about this. And he goes home and starts playing the tapes.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: And it's about love. The tapes read aloud. If I
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: crave love, I deserve love. So Luke is, you know,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: take us through this scene. Why do you think this
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: was so special for the fans? You know, so I.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Was so proud of Luke in this moment because Luke
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: is very stoic. He's very, like, I've said this about
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: him before, he's the train on the track. There's only
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: going to be one direction he can go, and he's
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: just going to, you know, just keep moving along. But
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: now he's at a point in his life where, you know,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: he had this failed relationship, I have to put it
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: in air quotes, with Nicole. And he's realizing that he
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: may have played a role in that. which I think
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: was huge for him. He's not blaming anybody else. He's
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: not blaming, you know, Nicole, even though, you know, she
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: cheated on him or whatever. He is realizing that maybe
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: he has some own internal issues. work to do and
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: so for him to do something like buying a self-help
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: book is huge like that isn't something that he would
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: have done earlier in the show and so he's now
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: had this realization that you know if he wants to
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: have a relationship like a meaningful relationship that will be
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: stable and enduring he he needs to work on himself first.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: And this was the first step in that. So I
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: was super proud of him for doing that because it's
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: very unlike what we've seen from Luke so far. And
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: it was a huge moment in his, in his character development.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: So we're seeing that soft underbelly side.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Who suggested Luke do this? Was it a sister? Do
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: you have a feeling that somebody told him to do this?
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Recommended he do this? Or did he just do it
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: of his own volition?
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: I think he came to the realization on his own. Yeah,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it was like I was
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: saying earlier about how the obstacles have been cleared. And
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: I think he's thinking in the back of his mind
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: that he wants love. And probably subconsciously he knows it's Lorelai,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: but he doesn't consciously know it yet. So I think
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: he came to that on his own.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: You know what's so great about that? The audience knows it.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: They're screaming at the TV screen. But these two knuckleheads
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: just wake up and realize it. Yes. Because it's obvious
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: to us, right? It's not obvious to them. Yes. Because
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: they're just living their lives in their little town. They
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: don't want to muck up the friendship and all that.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: But it really is quite obvious, isn't it? No matter
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: what she does or who she dates or who he marries,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: who he dates, whatever, it's obvious. to everyone that they
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: need to be together. What a difficult balancing act for
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Amy and Dan, right? To keep that momentum going in
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: every single episode, yet still throw all of these, still
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: throw life at both of them. And I think that's
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: really how they solve it. Just throw life at both
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: of them. Let them be on their, they're on separate paths.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Life is going to come at them, men, women, They're
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: going to date them. They're going to marry them. Whatever
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: they're going to do. But that momentum, those key scenes,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: that's why the chemistry had to be so strong. Without that,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: you can't tell the story. Right.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Because they've been hinting at it since the pilot. Like
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: in the very first episode, there's that time when Lorelai
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: pauses outside the diner and looks at Luke in a
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: meaningful way. And then she turns to Rory and says,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: what do you think of Luke? And Rory immediately is like, no,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: you can't date Luke. And so they started that. That
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: was the very first episode. And so they've been, they
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: started the momentum then and then they've been maintaining it.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: But you're right. They have to throw in obstacles like
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Jess coming to town and, you know, Christopher and all
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: these other, all these other things to prevent them from
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: getting together too soon. But then you still have to
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: maintain the visit, the, the visitor, the viewer's interest in,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: in the series.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: The visitor would be the alien viewers, right? From outer
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: space that get hooked on the show. So that's going
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: to be, that's going to be the next level of,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: you know, fandom. I'm going to get taken in the
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: middle of the night by little blue man. I'll be
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: on a spaceship. Yeah. Dallas about Gilmore Girls. Did you,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: you know, you ever think of Gilmore Girls as like
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: 154 self-help books? You know what I'm saying? You know,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: the entire show. It is. Because it's so therapeutic in
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of ways, even medicinal. And people watch the
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: show obsessively all day. They need to have it on. Yeah.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: So it really is like, It's super comfort and super.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: It totally is. It's free therapy.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: This is a tome of self-help chapters. 154 of them
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: plus four more. I don't know how self-healthy those were,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: but they were pretty good. Anyway, interesting way to look
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: at it.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. And it gives you hope. Like when
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: you're kind of down in the dumps about whatever is
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: bothering you in your life, it's like the small town
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: charm and it just gives you hope that, okay, maybe...
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's not all futile. Maybe there is something good
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: going on.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: All right. So now Liz and TJ run over to Luke,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: tell him they're engaged. This is a great scene. So
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: many great scenes. Anything with TJ in it, right? Yeah.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: You know it's going to be fun. And says they're
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: getting married next week. And TJ asks Luke if he
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: wants to be the best man and go to the
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: bachelor party. He says yes, yes. I love the fact
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: that TJ said to him, I know you don't, you
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: don't like me. Yeah. I don't care because I'm going
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: to make you like me because we're going to be related.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: And I'm a positive guy and I know what I am,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: but I also know who I am. So even you
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Luke Danes are not going to stay in your, you know,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: you're anti TJ mode for long. Right. I like that attitude. Anyway.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: And then Liz mentions Jess isn't coming to the wedding.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: That pisses Luke off. So he goes to do his
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: dumpy apartment. I guess he's living in New York or something. Right. Yeah.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Who is Luke drive down or hop on a bus?
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: What did he do? He drive his pickup truck down.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: He probably drove.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Goes to his little dumpy apartment and, Doesn't really
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: ask him to go to the wedding. He demands that
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: he goes to the wedding and tells him that if
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: he doesn't, he's going to regret it. And then he
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: pulls the you owe me card. So he's look what
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: he's doing for his sister. Look what he's doing for
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: the family.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Takes time off of work to do this. So he
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: doesn't really reluctantly agree at all. Not in the scene.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: He just shows up in the diner. Mm hmm. And
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: then tell us your thoughts about the level of loyalty
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: that it takes for a brother to do that. Something
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: like that. To a nephew. Yeah.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: So we know, we've established in all four seasons that
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Luke is... for as, as gruff and cranky as he is.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: And as much as he rails about families, he is
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: very committed to the idea of family and the, the
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: responsibility that comes with that.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Like, this is all I got. It ain't perfect, but
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: this is what I got.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: And you do for family, no matter what.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Right. Right.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: And this is where we realize that Jess feels the
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: same way. And, you know, Luke and Jess are, as
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: a family pair, have had a lot of obstacles and
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: a lot of road bumps, and there was, you know,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: arguments and fights, and... But this is... The fact that
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Jess came to the wedding because Luke asked him to,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: not because his mom asked him to, I think that
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: was super meaningful, and we, you know... Jess a lot
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: of times is not that nice of a person, but
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: this really redeems him a lot for me because he
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: does get that sense of family commitment and he knows
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: that Luke sacrificed a lot for him. And so he is,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: you know, willing to return that favor basically.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Right. Right. Yeah. Those, those were nice warm moments between
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: those two. Yeah. And now we get to the part
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: where Jess almost discovers the self-help books. Yes. Luke successfully
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: hides them. Jess leaves. And this is when we get
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: to this moment where he's washing his bowl in the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: sink and he's drying his hands. And then the audio asks,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: do you see her face? Do you see her face?
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: And he's staring off in the distance and replies, whoa.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: And I think we all know who he sees, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Does he see a Tyrannosaurus Rex, A? Does he see
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: an alligator, C? Or does he see Lorelei? Yeah. All right.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: So quite a moment. It is.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: It's yeah. Cause it's part of you is like, how
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: could you, how could you be so surprised by it, Luke?
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, like it's always been there. It shouldn't have
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: been a surprise to him. And yet it never was
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: in his conscious mind until that moment. So it was,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: it was fun to like see that kind of realization break.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He's been through the whole, uh, uh, um, God,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: I forget her name. Uh, he's been through the marriage
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: and the divorce. Nicole, Nicole. yeah so he's been distracted
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: mightily distracted by that so there's there's there's an excuse
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: all right now let's go to the most unlikely place
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: you're ever going to find luke or jess in a
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: strip club yes for tj's bachelor party and luke is
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: And the lap conversation, it doesn't exist. It's an illusion. What?
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Luke is clearly uncomfortable.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: And a stripper tries to give him a lap dance
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: and he stands up and says, now, now there's no lap.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit down. I can't create a lap.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: And that starts the philosophical discussion between TJ and his brother,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: That's David DeLuise and Michael DeLuise. Yes. And we've had
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: David on the show a couple of times and he's
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: just fantastic. Yeah. And then they get into their philosophical side,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: talking about the existence or non-existence of laps. Yes. And
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: it ends up in a fight.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: And Luke's awkwardness with the stripper was so funny, how
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: he kept saying, thank you. Thanks.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: No, thanks.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you. No, no, no, thank you. So funny.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: How did the, how did the Palladinos know to put
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: in that many thank yous? They just know, right? They
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: just know.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was perfectly timed.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: It was script.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was perfect.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: And, you know, I remember taking real time to work
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: that out because it had to be, you know, just
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: all those thank yous and thankses. Yeah. They had to
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: be perfectly timed. Yes. You know, and then, you know,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: what were there, seven or eight of them? Yeah. And
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: that's on a page and you're looking at it and
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: you go, okay, how am I going to do this?
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: But there's the music in it. There's the rhythm that
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: people talk about. Yeah, there's a cadence to it. It is.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: And you find it. And it doesn't take long to find.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: And Luke sees Jess steal a guy's beer and takes it.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Typical Jess.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: I love that he brought a book.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Brings a book, steals a beer. It's like, I'm here,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: but I'm still me. Right. Exactly.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: That's a good way to put it.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And the concern on, on Luke's face, the utter,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: utter fear and disappointment on his face that he stole
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: and he's drinking, you know? So anyway, and then, you know, TJ,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: who is not to be messed with because, you know,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: You don't want to disappoint. He's going to, yeah. You're
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: going to say yes. Cause I don't want to say,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: tell her that you're not coming. I want, I'm trying
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: to make her happy and you're going to say yes.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: And I just, I love this attitude. Right. Yeah. And
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: you just got to love a guy like that. And
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: then he knocks the book out of his hand. You know, Jess,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: why is this off to him? But she didn't have,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: that's the wrong guy to pop off to.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: And then the fight begins. Luke intervenes. grabs jess hard
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: and says knock it off knock it off you know
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: it's attitude and i think it's a lot of fear
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: because it's not just this incident it's just how he's
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: going through life and if this is how he is
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: with people that he knows somewhat how is he with
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: strangers he's gonna get killed yeah this is the kind
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: of attitude that gets you put in the hospital or
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: in the graveyard and it terrifies luke it terrifies him
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: so that's why i think he you know he really
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: jumped in there and and screamed at And then Luke
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: has an epiphany as all people do when they sort
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: of get into situations like this for people realizing that
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: maybe you're approaching it the wrong way. Maybe you care
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: too much. They are what they are. And that's what
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Luke realized. So can't change them. And then the diner,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: he just apologized to him about dragging him into Star's Hollow.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: A little reversal. And I don't think it was reverse psychology.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: I just think it was an epiphany.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: It's like, you are who you are. You don't have
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: to go. It's like, whatever. I'm not going to change you.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: And that's also a big moment of growth for Luke's character.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: That's a huge revelation.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because Luke is always the fixer. He is the
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: one that picks up Liz's pieces when she comes apart.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: And he comes and fixes Lorelai's window. He's always the
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: one that takes care of everything. And he's now had
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: this realization that he can't fix other people. He can
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: fix a window, but he can't fix a person. They
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: just are going to have to be who they are.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: And he has to just accept that.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: And that's two people now. that don't care if he comes.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: His mother and now Luke, which shows the power of
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: their bond and the humanity that is growing inside of
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Jess as a result of Luke's caring. And also his mother, indirectly, right? Yeah. Because,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: you know, it is an act of love when you
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: realize you can't take care of somebody and you sort
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: of push them off to somebody who you feel can.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: So that's a family, you know, it's dysfunctional, but it's
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: functioning in a way that gets a result. And here
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: we are. We're seeing the green shoots of this dysfunctional family.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: You know, Luke's effort, her effort. And now this kid,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: and we think as an audience, maybe he's got a chance. Right.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: You know, we're seeing some human qualities, some caring. That's
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: very nice to see. Yeah, yeah.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: It's good. And he's also, you know, he's a couple
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: of years older than when we first met him. And
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: so he's just naturally maturing and it's, it's good to
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: see him, you know, turning into a thoughtful, reasonably decent adult.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: So there's a series of thought starters here. And one
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: of them is asking me what I remember about filming
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: this episode and seeing the script. And I just imparted,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: I do remember saying, thank you, stripper, all of that.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: But I got to tell you, I remember nothing about this.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: I do remember the scenes with Jess in the diner.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I do remember going to his apartment in New York
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: City and doing that rant. It was a pretty full
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: episode for me. Oh, yeah. It was a lot of work.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I have nothing but fond memories of this. Yeah.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: It was so well done. And you did a really
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: good job of embodying that change that Luke was going
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: through internally, like you could see it in his thoughts
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: and his actions and his words. So you were great
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: in this episode.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, thank you.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Kudos to you.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: So, Suzanne, after watching this, can you remember a time
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: when you were cheering on a friend or a best
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: friend to finally go for his or her longtime crush? Yeah.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: You know, when you're standing, when you're on the outside
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: looking in at somebody else's relationship, it's really easy to
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: see what they should be doing, right? Like it's, it's
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: always easy to have an opinion on what other people
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: should be doing. And it's more difficult when you're the
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: one in that situation. Um, and so I think as
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: a viewer who's been watching this develop, you know, we're
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: at the end of the fourth season now, um, We
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: are cheering on both Luke and Lorelai because they both
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: deserve to get what they want. They're both good people.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: They both work hard. They both deserve to be in
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: a relationship that is stable and not crazy and not
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: based on superficial things. And so I think that's a
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: good way to put it is like you're cheering on
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: your two best friends that you know they're meant to
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: be together and you finally see that happening. And it's
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: a great moment for sure.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, terrific episode. And boy, funny, full of feeling. You know,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of loose ends getting tied up here. Mm-hmm.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: And propelling us into a new world here, perhaps, a
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: new reality. Really exciting time for the show. Anyway, Suzanne,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: we ran out of time. We know you're busy. And really,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: the reality is we can't afford you any longer. We
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  Speaker 1: have to let you go today. You know, I'm very
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  Speaker 1: happy for you, but how the hell did you get
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  Speaker 1: so expensive? It's unbelievable. And I hope you get more
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  Speaker 1: and more expensive. Anyway, thanks for coming on again. Hope
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  Speaker 1: to see you soon.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. Always fun.
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  Speaker 1: And congratulations on the new gig. Thank you. And remember, everybody,
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  Speaker 1: don't we, Suzanne? Yes, we do. And remember, where you lead,
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