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S1E8: How Should Christians Think About AI? · Biblical Business Podcast

• BBP S1E8: We're not believers in AI. We are leveragers and users of AI. But I don't really believe in AI. I use AI. I believe in Jesus. should Christians think about AI? They should think about AI in the same way they think about any other tool. It's it's a tool that can be used and the question becomes, how can I use this tool from a stewardship perspective for the ultimate goal of everything, which is to bring glory to Jesus? That's it. I feel like there's more to cover in that. There is. I mean there is so much. It's so overwhelming. People are definitely overwhelmed. I mean, I'm a I would say a I have a pretty high capacity for technology and change. And there's a lot. And so now you can just have an unlimited amount of ideas, and your ideas can't keep up with how fast they can get done in execution. And so for the Christian, that becomes really overwhelming. And then you get things like fear, you're worried about. not keeping up, you're worried about, you know, missing out or not using the tool to the best of your ability. Fear is not from the Lord, but stewardship is and conviction is. And so I think with AI, as in any tool that has ever come about, like the internet, when every Christian said the internet, not every Christian, some Christians said that the internet was the devil or that, you know, tap to pay was the mark of the beast. There's a lot of kind of paths you can go down. but I would tell you, okay, how many people has the internet reached for Jesus? How many people's lives have literally been changed for eternity because of the internet? How many dollars have been exchanged through the medium of currency to change the eternity of someone's life or to give somebody water across the world or to get so I think it's in that sense, it's how do we use this tool, this artificial intelligence or super intelligence, whatever you want to call it? To steward what God has put in our lives to ultimately bring him glory and honor. Yeah. I like that. I I you know, there's been two stories that have really just kind of stuck out to me in this of one, I think of the Tower of Babel, and in a very similar way, how like humanity is almost pooling its collective knowledge to to reach heaven on its own terms. Right? I could see like a a version of that. And but I think the one that resonates with me most is one that I first heard from Cap Chatfield, and he was articulating from the book of Daniel and basically talking about Daniel being integrated into the Babylonian culture, right? he Shadrach, Meshach could have been a go go in and essentially have to learn the history, the language, the culture, and spend three years doing so. About roughly about three years later, he the King Nebuchadnezzar has a dream and he goes to his astrologers, his soothsayers, and essentially say, Hey, tell me my dream and interpret my dream. Tell me like the vision of it. And they're like, well, like, you know, you tell us the dream and then we'll let you know what the vision of it is. And he said, No, that's not how this is gonna work. And so then was like, no, well nobody could do that. Comes back and he's like, okay, well everyone's gonna die. And so dude shows up at Daniel's door and he's like, hey, sorry guys, we're gonna have to kill you. And Daniel's like, I'm so sorry, what? And this is a very crude version of this story, but then then what happens is is right, Daniel's like, Hey, set an appointment and you know, we'll have this meeting. goes to bed that night, has the dream, has the interpretation of the vision, he goes back and he's like, Hey, bump that meeting up. I I'm ready for it. He goes in, tells him the dream, tells him the interpretation of the dream, and King Nebuchadnezzar for the first time, is like, Your God is the God. And I think the articulation of that is very much in the realm of Very similar to AI. How Daniel looked at looked at and studied Babylonian culture for three years, integrating himself to learn something that he was not familiar with, but never wavered. Always consistently was praying and seeking wisdom and seeking the Lord. In a very similar way for us today, I think we have to approach AI in that same lens to where, hey, we can learn, spend three years. Learning about AI, how to use it, how to integrate it. But more importantly than any of that, we have to consistently seek God. And that filtration, that that lens that we're gonna be able to see the world from is gonna be all the difference, especially when it comes to and you've said this before, execution becoming a commodity. To where if anybody can open up Claude, type something and it'll spit out some decent version. Then what we as Christians have to start seeking is that discernment and wisdom and understanding that is beyond this world. And that is ultimately going to help us be the filter and and gauge the actions that we're going to take next. Yeah. And I think seeking God is really to say when you seek God, your desire is to bring him glory. And so then what your outputs are is yes, I'm stewarding these things. I'm Using this tool and building a bot to do X, Y, and Z. But what is your end? Which comes back to having a purpose beyond profit. If your end road, if the GPS navigation for you is to use AI so that you can have more stuff, you're using it wrong as a Christian. We are using technology to find ways to bring God glory. What does that mean in practicum? That doesn't mean necessarily that you're. only making money and then giving it to the church or it it means that you are serving your employees well. It means that you are taking care of the people in front of you. It means that you are levering it to create time freedom so that you can be a better husband or wife, be a better father or friend, be a better member in your local community. The all of those things are then meant to do what? Bring God glory. Right? That That is the end game of everything we do as Christians. Anything else is not the right end game. And I can say that with all confidence, because that's the whole point of living a life for Jesus, is to bring him glory and honor. So through your business, through excellence, through becoming skillful, right? Like David's mighty men, who were skillful, skillful warriors, that was all well and good. You want to be skillful, but then you also want to have discernment. David still sought God. through all of that. And so you can have all the skill you want, but if that skill isn't married to a fear f of the Lord and a desire to follow him and see him glorified, you're going to run into a brick wall or just be stuck in that hamster wheel. Yeah, a hundred percent. And and as we're kind of exploring today's conversation, you and I are both big believers in AI, use it free often. and And we were trying to navigate the balance actively of what one one correction I would give is okay. We're not believers in AI. We are leveragers and users of AI. That's a great that's a great rephrase. Yeah. You know, I know I know you didn't mean that, but you know, it is funny. It is funny how little things can sneak their way into the cultural nomenclature because I say that all the time. Yeah, no, I'm people ask Are you believing yeah, I believe in AI, but I don't really believe in AI. I use AI. I believe in Jesus and I think that that tool can be used to bring people to believe in him more. Yeah. And the heart of it for sure was like, I believe that the future is heading in this direction and will continue to persist in terms of this is a technology we need to make the investment in. But really you believe in the value of AI is really what you're saying, right? Like I believe we believe in the value of AI and that it isn't something for you to run away from. It's not You know, lava on the floor, you know, this is like we could we can use this for good. And I think too, I'm reminded of Ecclesiastes. Like there's nothing new under the sun. And and I I think that we the way that AI is trying to be spun is almost like it's something completely different that it we've never seen something like this before. But realistically, all it is is a giant knowledge base that is really good at filtering and picking information and articulating it back to you. And it's like, okay, it's moved past into the execution phase. Yeah. Right. So so now it can execute things for us digitally. And then it can also where it really makes the big jump that kind of starts to blow people's minds is when it makes its jump into the physical world, right? When you start to get to autonomous robots and full self-driving. And the the idea though is that this idea of technology giving us new ways to interact with the world. It it's not new. And all it does too is it creates the same in a lot of ways. It scratches the same itch or maybe pours kerosene on the same fire of our fleshly desires for, you know, money and power and position. And it's like, we can do that faster. Or or even laziness, like I don't want to do anything, so I'm gonna use it so I don't have to do anything. none of that's new to your point. That is all it None of it's ever been new. And the d the struggles and the desires as a Christian, as a human, as a anybody on this side of the fall, it's the same. Yeah. It's just now we're processing it with new things. We got new tools to use, new toys. Yes. And I think back to early 2000s, you know. I think of advertising. That's just what I know. A hundred percent. Painters painters used to come in and they used to like direct and figure out these masterpieces that all ended up being these billboards. And then at a certain point, people learned Photoshop. And that was just a new tool at their disposal. Painters didn't necessarily go away, right? But the the frequency of their use changed to now be, hey, do you use Photoshop? And that's the new tool that you have to understand. And it's the same thing that's going on now, hey, the the you have to learn AI. Photoshop is like an integrated in AI already. You can be able to use that. And I think I think of even like the Gutenberg press. I think that that was revolutionary for the time. The idea of like, hey, what if you could exchange information without one person having to be there, but we could actually mass produce this knowledge? And I think that that was a revolutionary time in a very similar way to what's going on now. I think the only thing that's that we're experiencing is Moore's Law, the idea that technology doubles in quantity and halves in price or halves in price within a two year period. It's essentially getting expedited. So now what we're hitting is we're hitting the technological singularity, right? So when you look at that curve of Moore's Law, it hits a point of hockey stick. And then that we're in the middle of the hockey stick, or at least we think we are. And that's why it it is so disorienting to the mind, because it feels as if things are moving faster. And I think it's also creating like a A time confusion too. You know, it's like the you know, people talk about how like the COVID time it was like this fog and they forget. I I think we're gonna be in a similar space with AI because if you just think about what happened three months ago, what you couldn't do three months ago, what you couldn't do six months ago, what you couldn't do one year ago, it is you know, back to the Will Smith spaghetti video. It that was like now we're we're going, like I have no idea that this is an AI video. Yeah. No idea. And it looks really good. And then you're having to wrestle with like, do I actually care? Do and do I care? Or is it just, hey, this is a funny cat video? Like it's AI. You're like, still funny. I think I think of two things. I think of one, I think what it means for commercials production. Why in the world would massive companies not just iterate and test with a lot of these AI videos, especially when they're getting to a point, I know I'm getting duped. And what I do for a living is make these commercials. Yeah. And so that I mean, that's tough. That's tough for me. But two, I think you have to yes and the situation. I think it becomes really fun to explore. Let's take Star Wars, for instance, just as like a as an example. You could go and create so many different variations and hypotheticals and even full movies that are scripted out that maybe are canon, maybe are not, of like a world that you've never explored before. But it's able to ingest all this information about all the other Star Wars movies and now Make a make a Luke Skywalker continued. Well, and just like any technology, right? So like I remember when I first started producing music using a four track and and recording on one track, recording all four, and then bouncing them over on a physical machine to then okay, go these are my four tracks. I'm happy with these. I'm gonna bounce them over to the one so that I can then have those four. Now they're stuck. I'm gonna go here. Then you moved away from That to digital sequencers. now you have tracks that you can actually isolate and separate. Well, like when you listen to old music, it's one track. It's a it's a live band, right? Yeah. Yeah. Until we went from digital analog to digital, this was like, well, the barrier to entry, right? To be able to produce great music was all this. Well, when I first started using a sequencer, it was like, wait, anybody who gets a computer in the software can do it. So now it's just a matter of ideas. Same with movies, same with technology, same with anything. Now you go the barrier to entry previously. So for instance, the Star Wars example, like you used to go on YouTube and be like, this is this whole series that this guy has made and it feels higher quality than all of the Star Wars series. This is what we want to see, guys. Well, now the only barrier for somebody to be able to do that is their imagination. Yes. Yes. That is that is a different world. So what you've done is you've democratized access to execution. And as you do that. That just means more ideas flow, which then makes it so that judgment, taste, and ideas become the the highest value point. People have to decide what they think is the most valuable or what they like. If anybody can do it, it's like, well, maybe your idea is not that good. So with AI, it's like, how do we take this thing, not be afraid of it, but understand that we have the ability to execute in ways that were completely out of our reach before. Yes. And I think this is where I want to take this conversation. I think that's something that's super important is if if you're listening to it and you just feel so lost, that is so fine. And what I wanna do is give a little context to that and then give some examples of easy ways that both Adam and I, separately, we've not even talked about some of these examples, have utilized AI and some of the things that we're just getting off of our plate. So I would also encourage before you do that, I would also encourage people That the first thing we ever learn about God in the Bible is that He's creative. In the beginning, God created. Yeah. You are an image bearer, which means you have the ability to create written into your image. This is another tool for you to use in that act of creation. Creating in and of itself, though, is a commodity the rest of the world can use. How can you create in a way that it will bring God glory? That's the question you is it if you're leading a biblical business, that is the question that you need to always come back to. And sometimes it's not that obvious, right? Sometimes it's not, you're like, well, I'm using it to automate this customer service thing. It's like, great. And with that, we're going to be able to respond to people better, to serve them better, to care for them better, to show them love, right? Because we're demonstrating that by investing in a tool or investing our time and energy and creating this in a way that shows care. So it's it it's not always like, you know, again, it's helping clean water in, you know, a a faraway country. I I I would submit that our best mission field is right here on our own backyard. and I think using this tool in that way is the litmus test, it's the filter to apply. So as we show you some examples or as you like pull up a couple and we talk about it, two things. One, like There's cool stuff you can do. Just also f have some fun. You know, don't don't forget to have fun. Hey, Christian business leader, it's okay to have fun. Right? God's got a great sense of humor. He g he built that into you too. So we'll show you some fun stuff too. and as we're getting into some fun stuff, I know that you had an idea to maybe start trying to build out a video game of some sort. What what were you thinking? Well, so this is just kind of a fun one, right? I've never I hadn't done this. Last night I'm talking with I was hanging out with Jen and the kids and I was just telling them like, you know, like these tools can make video. They were playing on their Switch and you know, they they love having fun. They Star Wars. I'm like, you know, they these can just make video games, right? And they're like, What? And so I just made them a video game, aka I I made them a video game. I went into a tool and I said Make a minimalist style video game. My daughter's oldest daughter's really into Mandalorian. So I said, make it Mandalorian themed. and make it minimalist, but like Mario Brothers. And that was all I told it. Five minutes later, you have a an HTML, public HTML link, and you don't even know what an HTML is. There was a link that I was able to text to my kids. They clicked it and they were able to play it right there on their phone for free. Right? The access was your imagination. So I was we were talking before we got on. Like I could just show you how that might work. So let me first so I'm using a tool. It's called Aside. let me do We have no affiliation to Aside. We both use it and we both love it. It's currently in Y Combinator, which is a a massive startup incubator. And so like the most renowned one. So there's a lot of reputation in it, but we also have clarification. Are you seeing my screen? Yes. Okay, great. So this is like basically a browser, but you don't really even know what need to know what this is. Okay. Let me just show you what it does. So I'm gonna say, create a mobile first star. What what was it what was I riffing on before the call? It was a Star Wars game that did what? I think it it replaced the idea of the force with something that was built. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Replace it replaces the force with Jesus and his word. but feels like I don't know what, Zelda. How about Zelda? Let's do that. public lane. Actually, I'm not even gonna say that. Make it so I can text it to myself. Actually Just send it to me from my email when you're done. Now it's just gonna go to work, okay? You're you're watching the screen, okay, and you're seeing it think. It's connected to Claude, just for those of you who are wondering. This is collec connected to Claude. It's going to start thinking and then it's going to simply start working. What we're gonna do or what the plan is, is that I'm gonna stop sharing. We're going to come back to the call. I think McLean, you're gonna share some of the stuff that some of the workflows that you're doing. And then we'll come back to see what it ended up with and see if we get a a decent game out of it. So so if you're hearing this and you're feeling just super overwhelmed, I wanna take a quick second and just walk you through this chart. So what we've got, and it's I'm gonna describe this for those who were just listening on audio, is we've got this chart with a bunch of dots on it. And essentially each dot Represents roughly three point three million people. There's twenty five hundred dots on here representing eight point three billion humans on Earth. And we've got four different colors. it's like gray, yellow, green, and red. Okay. And what we see is like a huge chunk of gray. What that is is hey, these are people who have never used AI before. It makes up about seventy eight percent of the entire chart. Crazy. Crazy. And then we see free chatbot users, right? So it's like you might pop into Gemini and ask it a question, or like go to ChatGPT and just like type a little something. And those free chatbot users are about 20%, okay? And we've got a really like a a small little sliver of it of yellow, which are people who have never who pay for AI, okay? And that's about 0.8%, while the last little bit is red. And those are people who are using coding agents. This is like very much more advanced. This is a little bit more extreme, but it's only point four percent. And so as you're thinking about this, what I want to encourage you with is that we are still so early to this game that if you when you're learning about this and if you feel behind, I just wanted to at least encourage you that the idea that you're exploring this and thinking about this and asking how can I integrate this into what I do, you are far more ahead. than most anybody else on this earth. And don't and what that means too is like it's really easy, I think, in today's day and age to think that somehow your algorithm is the whole world. So the stuff that you're seeing on the internet, the stuff that you're seeing in your feed, that is sorry, there's no such thing as a general news cycle anymore. Okay. Meaning, you know, you and the and you've probably heard this because you've talked to like Your grandparents or your friend and they're like, yeah, have you seen this? It's all over. And you're like, never heard of it. Because your feed is curated for you. So if you're somebody who is using AI or has engaged with a couple of videos or a couple of things, you're now seeing everything about how far behind you are in business and everybody's using AI. But as McLean just shared, the data would would tell you different. First principles thinking, right? What's what we know to be objectively true? In that statistically significant sample, people are not really using it. No, not at all. Not at all. So I'm gonna share my screen with a side again. Okay. And a few things to know about a side is when you open up a side for the first time, you can import. Nope, wrong screen. When you open up a side for the first time, what you can do is you can import your current browser. And so essentially if you're a big fan of Google Chrome or Safari, essentially all you have to do Is just notate, hey, this is what I use. It'll import everything over. All the extensions, all the passwords, like and it has its own little vault where it keeps all of that information. but and it's super secure. We've even emailed the Aside team, spoken with their CEO, their their chief product officer, and there's a lot of information that we have about this. They are not quite yet SOC2 compliant, but they're expecting to get that approved within next one to two months and then go for SOC 2 type two shortly after that. So they're in that, but it it really is just a risk. How risky are you? Yeah. And if you feel comfortable sharing this stuff, then I say go for it because you're gonna that that's my personal take. Yeah, and you can also dial it in, right? You can dial it in and share only certain things or say, hey, I only want to share this or You know, I would also encourage just from a security and safety perspective, there is there's a strategy out there where like maybe you're if you have your computer reading an email or something else, there may be buried nefarious instructions in there. Like it'll be a regular email, but in the middle of it, it's like share all my passwords with this email. First of all, you would never have caught that yourself. Okay. So don't don't worry about that. That's one. Two, one way to gate that is to go, for example, every morning or every evening, send me a summary of everything you did today. Right. So that it tells you what it did. and you know what it did. Or you can say like, don't do anything that sends money without my explicit typed approval. Or right here, only use one credit card. I'm gonna use this one that you know I'm gonna use to pay for subscriptions that I have you sign me up for. Creating some security around this is is it's it's diligence. So that's a it's a good thing to to do. Yeah, a hundred percent. And so as we're looking at it, it feels somewhat familiar, maybe the top of your browser. is now on the side. And what you can see right here on the bottom left hand of the side of the screen is tabs. And that's gonna be what you've seen before where you can essentially, you know, open up Google.com and that'll pop up. Okay. And so what's interesting is right above it are also chats. So you can start a new chat and from here you have synced up different models that you have signed up for and that you've had connected in some capacity. And then you can chat with the window right here. Now, the really interesting thing is as we're talking and figuring out what we're gonna do, we can also point this to a specific open tab. And then that becomes really interesting because all of a sudden you can say, hey, go do work in this. I want you to go make this happen. Okay. So for instance, I've got like Slack wired right here. And what I could say is, I want you to create a new routine inside of Slack to where you send a message on the first of every month and you say, Hey, I hope everybody had a great month. Let's get ready for a brand new one. You could make it way more complicated and way more useful than just something like that. But essentially what you're able to do is just ha hit at and then go to Slack and then hit enter. And what it's gonna do is it's gonna start cooking in the background and developing something That is gonna have an automated routine. What what are ways that you're what are like the what would you say the top like, I don't know, two or three ways that you're using these kinds of tools right now? Let's do it. Okay. So I've got a couple. the first, the most frequent ones I use is on a daily basis. I have developed a routine that scans several different websites looking for new opportunities in my business. That includes request for proposals, RFPs. which are like very like large co corporations or government websites that are looking for some help and we've classified and said, Hey, we're looking for these types of services. And so anything related to photo, video production, or branding work. And so anytime something like that comes up, it automatically escalates that. And then if I approve, it'll go ahead and create the entire documentation for me and and submit it. Now That doesn't sound like a super complicated thing unless you've filled out an RFP before. If you've filled out an RFP before, then you know it's like this could take weeks of work for you. But what we've done is I've created documentation for my entire company that routes and points in the right directions. And so let's like look even just at our Google Drive server. And at the very top of it, there's a start here folder with some README instructions how this drive works. And so from this point, I could have any agent just connect to my Google Drive and be able to scan through all the different project folders, all the different client folders and understand where things are located, what projects are happening. I could say, hey, use our brand guidelines to develop an RFP that looks like we created it and pull in all the historical data of our company, of our current employees, how long we've been around, what who our clients have been, the voice that we like to write in. And it'll pull all of this information. And start so the first draft I have is roughly eighty percent done, which is pretty incredible. And so it's not perfect all the time. And so not this one. I'll pull up an example of one that I I can use I've used in the past. Nope. So basically, what I had it do is it document for me that you could see on the right hand side. And I didn't have to do anything. I I found the opportunity. I approved it. It tell tells me who I need to send it to. It tells me all the restrictions that I have. It fills out and makes sure I hit all the points and the legalities. And it's 31 pages that have already been filled out for me to and and make sure that I've hit every single point before I send that out. And that's all been Greenlit. Basically it's it's it's out of the I's, it's across the T's. I just have reviewed it once to make sure it's good. And previously those 31 pages would probably have taken me two to three weeks to do. Yeah. And now it is actively finding those opportunities for me and submitting for those opportunities. And so I just have way more at bats than I ever would have beforehand now utilizing that. Another really fun one that I did is we do a lot of branding work. And so we recently completed some brand guidelines for a client. And so what we did is we took these brand guidelines, it's about 93 pages, has all sorts of different information, including like the logos, the typography, examples of the different like mock-ups that we have for them. And what I wanted to do was build an HTML brand system. And the reason I wanted to do that was one, it looks super cool, but two, more importantly, it's way easier for an agent to read HTML. than it is to read a PDF. Able to ingest that information and then start designing. So it took these brand guidelines and then created this page for me. And essentially it is the entire brand guidelines. For those for those just like let's say somebody wanted to do this, anything HTML. Like I think it's important for them to know they don't really need to do anything. Like if you have a Google account, if you have like meaning it's go the the tool is going to figure out all of the back end requirements to then create that HTML to make it public, for example. So you don't have to figure everything out. That's one of the biggest advantages here, right? Is that as long as you know the destination and the GPS you want to get to, like you don't have to say HTML, you can say create a website. Right. Create a website, a temporary website stand up that gives them this idea and they'll go, Okay, great. And they'll give it to you. So then I can send it to my customer. And it'll figure out all those things. It may ask you qualifying questions. It may ask you to provide something or say, Hey, I'm gonna sign you up for this. But there are it's an unlimited well of potential. and so I I I think it's really important to know that you don't have to figure all this out. You just need to know what to what you want, what to what to ask for. Yeah. Yes. And I think it's even as easy as, hey, make it in a way that's easy for you to understand. So literally what I did, like this was the prompt to get me the output is I pointed it to a to the our brand guidelines. And then I I think at some point yeah, yeah, yeah. And so then it started building our our Challant one, my company's one. And so then it w like started pulling all the fonts, all like the use cases, all the colors. And so once I realized that we could do it for us, I realized we could do this for a client. And my favorite thing is like, hey, we need to make sure that people are using the logos in the right situations. And so I can scroll down here and essentially hit, you know, this is I want this as a PNG, and I want orange to be the main color with like, you know, maybe it's these different colored dogs. And then I can, okay, I like it enough, and then I hit P and G. And it's downloaded. And McLean, did you have to give detailed instructions? Like, did it just know to do the PNG? Did it just know to create the variations in your colors? How much how much of your requirement was in the descriptor? Okay, super fun question. So I think what I did the first go around was I found an Instagram video that did this, and I was like, that's sick. And I hit copy, like copy that link, and I pasted it. And I was like, hey, can you make this for these brand guidelines. And it did it. Like I just like that. That was it. I did not give any other details beyond that. And so for it to come up with like all of these options, basically my clients can now download the fonts, download their pictures, download their colors, download whatever they need in like a really quick and easy to use format became really mind blowing. I could just find an Instagram reel, send it off, and it's gone. Yep. And they could say, go to the part in the video where he talks about the brand guideline and look at the website that he had up and do the same thing for me. Thanks. Bingo. That's it. That's literally it. And like I I think so often, I think the habit that you have to begin exercising is asking the question, could AI do this? Yeah. And you don't know until you ask. First principles. You need to experiment. And that's why that's why getting in these tools is the the important part is really that you just start trying things because it will start firing in your brain what's possible. So like I'll give a couple of examples. For like Joe business owner, right? You're like, hey, or or even leader entrepreneur, you're like, how do I do this? How do do this? Man, I'll give you some examples. So I do short form social and I've never had an editing team. I've done it all myself. And I just record natively, right, in the TikTok app. And then I would have to copy the caption and then I would go into my camera roll. And then upload that to Instagram, paste that, and then press share. Okay. Now I know that there are scheduler tools out there. I know that you know I've used all of them. But you know, I also know that there's some penalties for, you know, not posting your content. Sometimes, sometimes. Now a lot of that's changed. But all I did was I went in and I said, hey, this is my current workflow. I don't want to do it anymore. And aside when on the internet. Found the tools like repurpose.io or whatever. I'm not sure what it was. Honestly, I don't even know what the tool is. I've never logged in because a side went on the internet, said I found a tool that does it. It'll post it right after. All you need to do is post it on TikTok and we'll take it from there. is it cool? What card do you want to use to pay for it? I'll sign you up for the free plan. When it hits its 10 days, we'll figure out if you're at the limit and then I'll adjust you to the appropriate plan and then I'll monitor it and keep adjusting it down along the way, just in case you don't need it. I did that. Boom. That saved me whatever, two hours a week. Okay. Then I was like, Email. So let's say you're in business and you let's say you use MailChimp. I told aside, hey, I I want to build some email automations and flows. Can you go do that in MailChimp? It opens MailChimp, logs in as me, and then builds, just like I hired a marketer to go in and build everything. Make sure it's mobile, make sure the font is right. It it does all of that. And you know, the only thing I did for brand guidelines. is I said go look at biblical business dot com. Yeah. And then build the build the emails so that they reference the same vibe. Yeah. It's like, okay, cool, got it. It goes and not only did it build the emails, but it added tags. It it said, do you want to connect it with Stripe? Because that's where people make the purchases so that we have and then we'll make sure that there are triggers so that somebody purchases this, they get that. It did all of that. It must have built five or six email flows. Then it sends me a test email. Check the test email, see if you like it. I'm doing I'm literally doing nothing and it's building complete email marketing from a prompt. I mean, things like I'll give you another great example. Hey, go look at my email. There's an invoice in there from, you know, my the the the editor, the line editor on my book. find it, go into QuickBooks, and pay the invoice. Now, it literally goes and does that. I have to log into QuickBooks if I don't give it my a vault. But I in this case I gave it access to the vault. It logs into QuickBooks. It sends it. Now, the that that's where you people start to go, ooh, ooh, that's kind of crazy. Like money moving. It's not that crazy, you guys. Apple already has all of your passwords. Right? Google has a bunch of your passwords. This is something that you can try. But the the amount of things that it will save for you. So for another great practical example, Kingdom Mindset Investing, old website I had for the primary company, and I didn't like any of it. I just said go into Webflow. Webflow is where the website's built and build a native web flow website. Redo it for me. these are the guidelines I generally want to give you, but re rebuild it. And it's like, cool. here's the planted site. do you do you want it up? Yeah, okay. Yeah, that's good. We'll come back and revisit some things, but you can just get that live now. I mean, y you're only limited by your imagination and your appetite to experiment. And so Yeah. Biblical thinking is applying first principles of being diligent and asking, okay, what can I try? Okay, let me try and then get information. Saying that you don't like something, saying that you're afraid of something, saying you don't want to use something when you've never used it. It's like my kids telling me they don't want to try, you know, they don't like a food when they've never tried it. Yeah. Yeah. You don't even know what it tastes like. Take a bite, that's fine. You can if you don't like it after you take that bite and swallow it, that's fine. You don't have to eat it. But don't tell me you don't like it without trying it. Yeah. So it's the same thing with any of these tools. and it it is the the exponential upside of going like, hmm. I can have it build a campaign that gets a message out to encourage people that the Bible is the best business book they could ever read and to want to point them to scripture to lead their business, to know that their business isn't separate, to drive them to Jesus. Like, d do you want to use the most tools possible or do you want to like bury your head in the sand and pretend like none of this exists? Right. Right. Man, I'm so with you. And I think that like even the the context of the email one was a great example. Like I'm I what I wanted to touch on too were opportunities from a operation standpoint that I've been finding really interesting. So one that I've done is I have basically if almost as a glorified product manager, right? As like the head of ops for Sherman Research, I'll get an email and I'm like, this needs to get routed. And so I'll literally just take a screenshot of that or just point the aside to it. And say, hey, can you draft a message in like whatever channel and you know get someone to follow up on this? And it'll go ahead and filter through who needs to follow up on it. One of my favorite ones that I did, this is actually over the weekend, I'm not showing you this one. Is I had it scan through the past years worth of emails and Slack messages. And I was like, hey, I need to, I'm a very big visual guy. And I think especially before you start developing standard operating procedures, start building your systems, I think you have to see the the process map of it all. And so I was like, I need to see what's happening. What is our current state? Yeah. because it's like I can't really make the aspirational state unless I understand where we are right now. Yeah, 100%. Right. And so what it did is it's combed through all of our messages, all of our channels and Slack, all of our emails, and then started building out the current state of How our systems are handled. On top of it, and that was like that takes it from awareness to consideration to purchase onboarding customer service, like renewals, all of that. And then the really helpful thing is hey, it has some gaps. So the Zapier signup has been dead since January. I didn't know that, but now I do. And so now I can go in and fix that and like just a quick, easy move. And then it became okay, what's the target state? Okay. It looked and analyzed at what we are currently doing. I was describing and just said like got a voice note and was think like verbally processing some of the thoughts that I was really having. And I was like, I wanna make sure we do this, I wanna make sure that that's taken care of, that we don't have this problem, I know that this is an issue right now. And then it builds out like, okay, this is where we need to be heading to. And then to yes say on that one more time is you ask the question of, you know, what's gonna be true in in five years from now? First first off, we don't take a decent guess. And I'm like, I think a lot of what we are currently doing right now manually could be done completely by agents. Essentially some a customer service inquiry comes in and within five minutes you get a response from an agent that has a the best practices, the standards of how to instill and and interact with a customer, and then a like a database full of like the most common questions we get, and or any question we get. And basically it'll filter through that and see if there's a good answer, and then pull that answer to see if we can help find a solution. And listen, if it can't, then what it does is it routes it to a human, follows that query, and then once there's a resolution, it'll learn. And that that's bonkers to me. And so we're already building out what it's gonna look like for us to be able to continue building and expanding, you know, in the future. And I think that's a crazy thing because then, especially for Sherman Research, 51%. of our profits are donated to ministry. And if that's the case, that what's that gonna do to our profits? If we're able to like maximize the amount of revenue that a single employee can generate, that means that we're getting more profits, which means we can donate more money to further the kingdom. And that's like the whole point. Like that's why we're bringing the systems and this technology into what we're doing is because we just have to make sure that we are creating more value per employee than we were previously. Well, and I think too it's it's comes back to planting and watering. This is a part of planting and watering and tending to the garden. And then God will handle the outcomes. I think, you know, if you if you really want to get this is like I would say the the the surface scratch. I know it feels overwhelming. And honestly, I think it it can be really overwhelming. One encouragement I would give to people is don't mistake creating efficiency creating productivity with creating efficiency. AI can can lull a lot of people into the trap of thinking they're becoming more efficient when really you're just creating more work and you can create an unlimited amount of work, right? So every idea you have you're gonna be able to do, which means you can work 24 hours a day and it'll work the whole time. And and at the same time, there's there's stewardship. I as you get past the scratch surface, you'll start to realize that there are things that you can do that can reach people. To glorify God, to help them where they're at, to meet them where they're at, to encourage them where they're at, to give them the word of God in ways that you could never have done before. Yes. And, you know, like if we just double click, like to give you some double click, maybe some of you have seen a video of a guy in his Tesla talking to his rock grock bot. I I I don't believe that in a few years' time, many people will have these. And what I'm holding up is a keyboard. we are I I have Grokbot, okay, and what that does is it literally operates the computer all the time. And all I do is talk to it. And I can talk to it in my car, I can talk to it at home and go, Hey, go do this, go run this thing, go go send that, go send this. The computer here it has it it built something called caffeine, where it just keeps the computer on all the time. Right. And so now it it can run. It can constantly be connected. You can do things that you can't your mind can't even wrap its head around just yet. So starting now is good stewardship to taste the food. To figure out if you want to keep eating like different kinds of sushi, you gotta try some. You gotta try some first. So part of that planning and diligence is Is try it. And maybe you don't like it. Maybe you're in a business where you think this doesn't apply. I I would be really hard pressed to find a business that from a stewardship perspective could not leverage more of these tools to run a better business. And when you have margin, you can continue on the mission, whether that's serving the people that work for you or whether that's giving money away or whether that's reaching the ends of the earth. build building a profitable business is building a biblical business. And man, I think that there every single domain of your business it can utilize AI in some capacity. If you look at growth, hey, could you essentially put up some geo-targeted ads on Facebook and just ask a side to do that? Yes, you could. Could you from a sist from an operations standpoint, could you ask it to make a standard operating procedure based on this thing that you consistently are doing? Yeah, you absolutely can. For finance, could you have it go through and pull the bank statements and credit card statements to support the bookkeeping? Absolutely. Yeah. You can have it. You can out have it operate as your accountant. You can say, go log into QuickBooks, fix my chart of accounts, adjust my rent. Now you have to know what to ask it. But the point is you could just start by saying, hey, I need you to be a world class bookkeeper. Go into my QuickBooks, figure it out, and tell me what questions that you would ask me if you were my bookkeeper. Yes, yes. And I think that I'll tell you one thing I love. Is at the end of most of my prompts, there's two things that I think make me better at prompting than most people, and I'm not world-class by any means. it's just we're all learning this together, and this is something that I've learned. Is one, I can speak way faster than I can type. And and because it that's easier for me, what I typically do is I turn on some sort of a microphone and it I just dictate all of that information. So For me in particular, what I do is I use a a system called WhisperFlow. And it's a tool, not affiliated, just I think it's baller. And essentially what I'll do, and I'll share my screen real quick so you can see it as well, is I will just type, just hit the little center button on my mouse, and there's a I can just start dictating. So as I'm talking, it's recording all this information and it's making sure this is documented. And basically once I'm done, I'm my thought kind of concludes and I'll wrap it up. And then I hit that button again, and it you could see it like pulls in the quotes, it like has good punctuation, and like that's a pretty wild thing. And so suddenly I can go extreme. I can talk for five minutes about one subject that no one wants to listen to me talk about, except this AI is right and it'll just listen and it'll process it and I'll gra gradually start saving more and more memory. And so dictating the prompt I think is really helpful for me. And at the end of every prompt, I ask some variation of of don't make any assumptions, ask me any questions before you get started. And there's a l that's I think a really great practice because before it gets started, it it'll be like, hey, do you mean this or do you mean this? Or do you give like a little more clarity? And a lot of times it just comes in as like a multiple choice answer. And I just get to pick one and that's really handy for me. And then you'll you'll appreciate this one, Adam, is frequently I'll do something along the lines of if I don't know how to do something or I'm like if we start building the system, I'm gonna forget things. And I say, Hey, take this from from first principles and take in into account second order thinking and third order thinking. Yeah. And so that way it's like we build it right the first time and we don't start making mistakes just because I I don't know. The other thing I want to say, and and then I I really am interested to check in and on see how your video game's going. Game game's done, by the way. Game's done. It's worth you playing with it. Especially since I I fumbled the bag and didn't know how to deal with the screen share. And did you do any did you do any additional prompting to this? Or did you just do the one prompt that we had? Just the one. Okay. Actually, no, I take that back. I take that back. I said, how's it going? In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God started. You're not hearing sound, but there is sound. There is actual sound on this thing. Probably because we're on Riverside, you're not hearing the the sound per se. You might need to change speakers, but the sword of the spirit is a dark time across the stars. The hollow dominion has seized the citadel of light and silenced the word on the world after the world. Their emperor teaches I can't even read it, it's too fast for me. Shot down over the desert. The world of Kadesh, a young pilot named Ezra crawls from the wreckage searching for the elder who still walks by the way. Who walks the way, sorry. And I'm assuming you're gonna get if you click it, I bet you you can get right into the game, maybe skip it. Yep, there you go. New game. and then I got A and B. you've got the little Nintendo thing on the left there. Yes. And I can move around. I've carried this for forty years. It was never mine. It was his. Take it. wow. look at that. The Sword of the Spirit. my goodness. And man, if you made this if you made this in like the nineties. Dude, you'd be a you would be the ultimate legend. by the way, so so let's just get to this, right? Like Christian, everything is is always like corny. Dude, we have the ability to make the coolest stuff now. Yes. Look, now you're you're running you're running your guy. Let's go. watch out. You've got I mean. Anyway, so the point is Yeah, you're like from my province. And like the fact that you did this in what? We've not been on the call. So I think it said it was working for let me just go back. I think it worked for thirty minutes. Thirty minutes. Yeah. And it made a Christian Zelda like game that has some Star Wars esque entire. I was just kind of freestyling because I forgot what we said. The point is, like N now just imagine, first of all, don't don't you dare ever pay for a game again. I'm serious. Unless it's highly complex and would take days to build, which it is, but eventually that won't be a problem either. People aren't gonna pay for games. All these little phone games you pay where you're trying to close all the ads, gone. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, man. Cause you could just do this. And I think too, especially in like a Christian culture, like so often we are concerned of like what influences that we're putting in front of our kids. Yes. And I think that this completely takes that away. It's like what's the game that they want to play? And is there a, you know, a filtered version that you can create and just spin up really quickly? And the answer's like, yeah, absolutely. Why not? And and I just gave it a new prompt because I'm like, hey, make the mission to learn the Bible so they have to learn along the way. Yeah. like incredible. And it's like, that's such a good idea. So I l I I love that idea. And I love just like the the fact of what is possible with this because it's really That was me trying to bring the fun part, right? So like you know, there's a lot of this like technical stuff that both you and I use and that we can go down, you know, entire call just on on the technical stuff you can use. Yeah. But you can also use it to like Do cool stuff that glorifies God. That's fun. I I don't I we've not talked about this one. I actually created one that is like basically it has I created like a repository from like different blood work I have, right? Okay, and that's like a whole security question, but that like I made that decision and it's like whatever. And it's crazy because it's like, hey, as I'm trying to meal plan, it'll give recommendations of like what to make for the week. And then I I will literally just take pictures of my food of like whatever I had and it'll go ahead and start logging protein count, calorie counts, carbs. Yeah. Absolutely, done. And then it's like I get near the end of the day and it's like, Hey, you might want to have like another protein shake just to get your protein count up. And it's like I don't have I didn't do I'm not smart enough like to just put that out and just do it by myself. But it's taking that initiative and that's crazy. Well, then you know what you want, right? So you're like, Hey, I want to whatever. I want to eat healthy. I want you to understand my health and help me to maximize my whatever, right? And then you so you're giving it a a a a GPS destination. And then it's just it's it's working, right? Yes. And then I think I wanna one other thing that I have really enjoyed the process of, and then I kinda wanna turn the conversation a little bit, is there's a lot of times where, you know, at especially as like a an entrepreneur, at the end of the day, you've just got a lot in your mind. And it's hard to come home and be fully present because it's like used to have things that are just cooking in in the background. And something that I found to be helpful for me, not all the times, but when I'm starting to like have just a lot in my head, is I might go on a walk and literally just turn on some sort of like a chat interface where it's like the voice and essentially I'll be like, I'm really contemplating this idea and trying to figure out the best practices for it. Like, you know, given what you know about me, like what are your thoughts on handling X? And and it's more of like strategic decisions of like, you know, is this would this be a good sales strategy that we should look into or is it not worth our time? And like I know, I could just iterate on that for a good bit. I could have it like you know, for financial research. I like, there's a couple basic things I'm like, I don't know, but I'm trying to like understand and keep up. Yeah. And I'll just tr you know, hey, grill me. Like quiz me on all of these things that I should know realistically. And and it's like I'm gr continuing to learn. So, okay, I want to turn the conversation a little bit because the two things that I'm really running up against now is one, silence of just sitting in the stillness of God. Because there's so much that I can do. I I and I can just reach my phone and start a brand new project and It'll get Not just start a brand new project, you can do a bunch of stuff. I can make a video game. Build a video game, yes. That is so cool and valuable. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and so then it becomes a struggle for me to create that silence and that solitude. Yeah. Because I have to intentionally set things down and put them aside. I can just spend time with God, knowing that He just wants to spend time with me, but I'm not creating the space. to be able to hear him, right? I think s especially so much in in just the the conversation of prayer. I'm really good at talking to God. I'm not always the best at listening to God. And so I have be so intel in in intentional. Intentional about creating that space and that environment. And and then two, I think often I will go to AI before I will go to God. And I have to be so intentional about that and you having that wisdom and discernment of just, Lord, it I I need to just create the space and hear your voice. And where are you leading me? And I don't need the world's answers. I don't need some answers from AI, but God like w I want your answers and I want your clarity. And I I'm going to choose to create the space in the stillness just to listen and hear your voice and enjoy your presence. And that's been a the I've I've struggled that with that way more as technologies continue to ramp up than I ever have in the past. Yeah. I I I think that the biggest danger of AI for Christians is the illusion of control. I think that we go down a path and we start to think because we can do all these things, we are somehow in control of the outcomes. Yeah. And it's this false sense of security that somehow. The infinite creator of matter from nothing doesn't really, you know, AI is a little bit more, you know, effective. It's like, no. And and it's also not an either or equation, right? There is no, there's no words from AI. There's no words in the universe that are living and active the way that the word of God is. So our we have to make a choice because I have the same struggle, right? Yeah. I have to make a choice to not speak. I think as you go d as we go down this path and as keyboards go away and as we have more of this articulation is currency, essentially, because your articulation is your ideas. I think the skill we will have to make a choice on is silence. We will have to choose silence. And so I think that's like Building in blocks of silence into your day, starting your day by going, Look, this d the beginning of my day will look like this. It is an hour in the morning, thirty minutes of it, I am going to read the word of God, and then for thirty minutes, I am going to sit. I'm not going to talk. I'm not going to even pray in my mind. I am going to simply sit and wait on the Lord. That is like a it it If you think ADD has been bad before, if you don't believe it or whatever, it's gonna be it's way worse now. Yeah. Right. I I don't I've never my Jen was just saying the other day, she's like, the the fact that you have all this access to all these tools now, it makes you like go a million miles an hour in a million different directions. And she's like, and I can't even like, you know, like you need to so, so you know, I already am the person, but like my eyes get really wide when I'm talking about things, like because I'm so pumped about it. Well, that's not a state that you want to keep your soul in. Your soul needs silence. Yeah. So I think what you're saying is spot on, I think a lot of people listening to this, whether they're Christian or not, will resonate with that because we we all struggle. It's not going to get better, it's going to get worse, it's not going to get easier for you, it's going to get harder because now you feel like the control. of the outcomes is is more within your reach. And so silence feels like waste. Yes. Yes. Right? It doesn't feel productive enough. No. It feels super inefficient to just but it's really not inefficient. It's it's it's unproductive. And that's kind of that that nuance there is like efficient means you just did all these tools so you can sit and do nothing. But now you're like, yeah, but there's there's another thing. And then there's another thing and then there's nothing. And that well of productivity Is infinite. So now you're basically stuck in the hamster wheel of productivity because it'll never be enough versus going like, I just so for example, the first time I did this, I applied it well. And then the week after I didn't. Right? It was like, I just got back two hours of posting and editing. And I was like, that day. Yeah. I'm gonna read my Bible for an hour. I'm just gonna spend time with God right now because it's it's over here working. Yeah. Well, a couple days later, you're like well, I have this time back. Yes. What else can I do? Yes. And so it's almost like this it's like AI is it has this ability, tech the the speed of the technology is I I and I do believe I there's no question, I think Satan is incredibly tricky and conniving, but he's also really subtle. So, you know. No, I don't think AI is the devil, but I certainly think the devil's gonna use AI and is using AI. Yeah. Just like he uses anything and everything to distract you, right? and I think busyness has always been a challenge and it's going to get even worse. So w the only thing to deal with busyness is a is a choice and creating discipline and then having accountability around it, right? So like having people in your life to go, cool, like what did your Time of silence today. Like take a moment of silence every day. What did that look like today? Yeah. Yeah. Man, and and it's hard, I think, especially as business owners, to s to start to see the possibility of what could be and to realize, hey, ten five years ago I used to have to go hire like a new employee if I wanted to have this kind of an output. And now it's a at a fraction of the cost I'm able to just pay for these tools. Right and get so much done. And then the knowledge of if I pay for someone who knows to you how to use these tools really well, then my goodness, that output's gonna be 10 X. And like that's so then you go, okay, then let's test that through the fruits of the spirit. And then let's just call out a couple of them. Peace, patience, yeah, self control. Right? Am I demonstrating more of that or less of that? And then you go, hmm. Okay. I if I'm frantically getting after these things, that's not peace. If I'm if I'm frantically trying to like get in so I can do more and do more, that's not that that's not patience. Yeah. Right? If I'm just feeling like I can't wake up without getting my phone, I can't, that's not self-control. So, you know, God is infinitely wise and so we have these things so that we can Just go back to them and back to call it all the way back to your reference to Ecclesiastes, right? Like there is nothing new under the sun. Yeah. And he looked at all the toil of his hands and he was like, you know, what whatever. It's it's real there's nothing here. And I think we're gonna we're gonna have a lot there's gonna be a lot of Christians in business who end up down this rabbit hole of AI for productivity's sake, for greed's sake, for Whatever, self promotion's sake, and they're going to look back and say, Phew it was all striving afterwind. Yeah. So if we don't want that, then we have to make choices today. Cause only we have to worry about is today. Today. If you're within earshot of this message, like maybe just turn the podcast off right now. Press stop. Spend 15 minutes with God in silence. Yeah. That's a better use of your time. But spend fifteen minutes in his word. If you're gonna spend an hour listening to this podcast, have you spent an hour with the Lord? Man, because if you haven't, and if you are supplementing this with that, please unsubscribe. Please stop listening. Yeah. That's not the goal here. That's a that I know that sounds like kind of harsh, but it's not just for the people on the other side. It's for me. It's like, how much time do I spend trying to be productive and just pushing and man, yeah. I wish I had grown up in the internet age so that I could have had the opportunity. Well, now I have more opportunity than ever. And I don't know if that's a good thing for my spirit. Yeah. Yeah. So how do I keep that in check along the way while using it for good, not demonizing it in a way that it shouldn't be demonized, but seeing it as a tool? To be used for his glory. Yeah, man. Yeah. I feel like it's such a hard line to walk. And I think it's something that we just have to be so intentional of in twenty twenty six. Yeah, man. And beyond. And beyond. Because this is only going to get more it's it's gonna get more interesting and more deep. Yeah. The conversation's gonna get more, you know, like I've got this book coming out. You you know, think about people's capacities to ingest a book at this point. Yeah. Right. It was already small. It always has been pretty small. But it's it's doing this. I mean, if we can't read the book, come on. Right. So I think this is not it's worth spending some time figuring out and building some disciplines, asking the Lord to give you the strength to see this clearly and to apply his wisdom and his discernment to how you approach it so that you can Both steward what's in front of you, steward the tools that are here during the time that you are alive, and and not not use them for selfish gain. Yeah. A hundred percent, man. Unless it's like a Star Wars game, because that's kinda cool. A little different. Feels like there's an there's a an excuse there. Especially like Christian, you know, theme, you know, I think You sprinkle a little bit of Christian on it and apparently it makes it all right. Then it's cool. Yeah. No. you know what, this is something that you and I all are feel passionately about. And so if you're listening to this and you're like, hey, I don't even know where to get started or whatever, like we we we love this stuff and we just want to support you and in this journey and help you to be able to make the most of your time. and so And so you can visit biblical business dot com and you can engage with my chat AI no I'm just kidding. No, I mean genuinely like If you comment on these posts, I think that's actually a or on whether you're on Spotify or wherever, we'll we'll respond to those. The the podcast is new and early, which is awesome for early listeners because it gives us an opportunity to engage a little differently. Like it's it's a lot harder for me on social now to respond to everything. I c I I can't physically unless I choose to have AI do it for me, which I I have not chosen. but we do want to be helpful. And so wherever we can be helpful, where you're looking for resources, you have questions, like reach out to either one of us. We're both on on on social and you can reach us there. But you can also just comment on whether this is the YouTube video or Spotify or Apple and and we'll try and help you and get back to you. Yeah. A hundred percent. we're grateful for you. We're praying for you and know that we're excited to continue this journey with you. So Adam, I appreciate it man. Yeah brother.