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CM Punk is back, so now what? | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #695 – 6/8/23 · Real. Guy. Pods.

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It's stud Welcome everybody. Welcome to this week's edition The Store Waldo Show Episodember
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six hundred ninety five for June eight, two twenty three. Welcome to this
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week's edition of The ass Are two for you. I am one after show.
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I am jack Back. Do you mind every single week in my coast,
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the one only doctor Trey Franklin, Doctor Trey. Are you a dynamite
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or collision person? My friend, I am more of an impact. Uh,
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guy, I get, I don't know, you're not raw? Yeah,
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I mean every every every wrestling show has to sound like a car crash
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or some kind of sodomization type thing. I would you know. I had
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a question for you. I was gonna ask you because I was worried about
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you today. Okay, are you walking around with your respirator on in Connecticut
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today? So yeah, for those not in the United States, I guess
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let's peel back to the current here. So wildfires from Canada. Hope everybody
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that is a Canadian listener of SRT is doing all right. The smoke is
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making its way down to where I live here in the Northeast. And as
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I turn around and I look outside my window, from the room that I'm
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recording in my office. It is hazy. It is like dark. It's
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it's like the sky looks the way it does just before a thunderstorm in the
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summertime. But it's been that way for over twenty four plus hours, and
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when you go outside, it just smells like you're walking into one big camp
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fire. So no respirator. However, it did not take the dog out
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for a long walk. Don't want her to get all messed up, and
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have refrained from going out so much because as I look on my phone and
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this is like, I guess nerdy here stuff. But um a QI is
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the way that we measure like air quality. The air quality index a qui
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UM over three hundred is considered hazardous. Presently, where I live is three
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sixty four. So that is one of the most highly polluted air quality areas
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in the world today. I think it's number one, is the area that
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I live in, Doctor try. I mean, I'm watching the news,
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and you know, of course they don't put guys in Connecticut. They put
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people in the Bronx. And in Manhattan, it's just Manhattan's just New York
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and they're showing it and everything and we like our our weatherman down here in
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Alabama locally is kind of like a legend. Like the dudes are fans.
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Maybe the best weatherman I've ever seen in my life when it comes to reports
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and and uh actually seemed like he cares about the people. And he was
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like, we are actually going to get some of that stuff in Huntsville over
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the weekend. And I'm like, I don't even know if Huntsville knows.
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Were like Canada is like it's crazy, it's a whole other world. But
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that you're just seeing the reports and the Yankees game getting canceled and everything else
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because we are quality. I'm like, well, uh, we beat India
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at something, I guess, So there you go, we did it.
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High fives all around. Doctor. They actually canceled a sports game that was
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taking place indoors though w NBA at w NBA game, it's like in Barclays
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in Brooklyn. Now granted the people have to travel to get there canceled,
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so it's it's crazy. And like inside my place, inside my fiance's workplace
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as well, like even though we're inside, you can faintly smell smoke.
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It's it's bananas, it's um you know what, but at this point,
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fuck it, right, I mean, if we went through a global pandemic,
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I mean, what's this to me at this point? Right? I
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mean, I mean everybody's got masked later around, although they're not quality of
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Oh that's just probably the question. What draws better in the Northeast a w
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NBA game or a GCW show. Probably GCW show. Yeah, so they're
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they're protecting the eighty five people that were going to go out to the Liberty
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Game to night. Yeah. Probably. I mean w W NBA is going
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doing well. I mean, I guess I probably shouldn't have said that,
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But GCW I think would be more popular. I don't know. We actually
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we'll find out they're actually coming back to Alabama here next But we just had
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a AW Life show. I was just gonna say, AW was in town.
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Weren't they. Yeah. I did not go because I have a job
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on. Like a lot of the people in Alabama, I couldn't make it.
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But I do know h Conrad's Thompson's part time. I know Conrad was
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there. I know that his UH co host on all of his shows,
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Cassie Okay, was there. So I know quite a few people that went
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to the show. Tony Kahn was there from reports I got, but I
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was not there, so once again, not a special invite. I can't
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even get on AW presents Ring of Honor, So I'm a little disappoint what's
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the What are you hearing from people? Like? Do they enjoy the show?
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Yeah? They said the show is good, A lot of it.
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I mean they, I mean Darby was there. I don't remember. Jeff
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Jarrett was there like some other people. It was not the top top guys,
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but and I don't mean FTR, I mean like legitimately like the main
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event guys, but you know, the upper mid card guys show is pretty
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good. They also had some of their younger talents on the show, so
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some matches were not so good but didn't draw fantastic, but didn't drop bad.
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Like it was about nine hundred thirteen hundred people from from what I read,
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so better than us at Rockets City, but not quite to what WW
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typically draws when they come to Huntsville. Yeah, weird times for AW right
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now. Obviously, a couple of weeks ago we talked about the attendance from
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AW double or nothing. There's reports that some of the shows for the upcoming
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Canada Swing the debut in Canada like that, they've only sold seven hundred tickets,
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which is mind boggling. Like I know, AW creatively hasn't been hitting
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on all cylinders lately, but I wouldn't have figured that seven hundred people would
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just be buying tickets right now for one of the Canada shows. So hopefully
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that improves. Which kind of go ahead, doctor try as I'll say,
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I mean, once the game Canada is on fire? True, so true,
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maybe they end up canceling that for all we know? Yeah, a
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little bit. Yeah, so getting right into AW with that said, somebody
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that could help those ticket sales, but I guess he hasn't because those are
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collision shows. Is one cmpunk We talked about it towards the end of the
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show last week. It kind of gets stuffed to weigh with everything that was
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going on with or nothing, NXC Battleground and Night of Champions. But okay,
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here we are now, Dot Trey, We've got a full slate of
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hat. We've had some time to really think about this, and we got
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to ask ourselves what is next for cmpunk in AW? Is it heal?
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Is it Babyface? What does his first feud. Looks like there's reports out
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there right now that the plan tentatively could be that his first match, which
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by the time everybody listens to this will have bell already been announced. We're
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recording it before Dynamite this week, is or excusing the main event for Collision,
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which I assume has cmpunk in it. But there's reports out the right
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now that it would be Cumpunk and FTR feeding with Bullet Club Gold for a
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little bit, Jay White, Juice Robinson, and there's supposed to be wrestlers
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that will be added to Bullet Club Gold soon. I want to be shocked
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that maybe we get a turn of a Ricky Starks, maybe he sides with
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Juice and Jay White in this feud with FTR. What are your thoughts,
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Doctor Trey? What what's next? We've we've got the word out Sumpunk is
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coming back. What does he come back as a heel? A baby face?
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Who does he feud with? What's the direction of punk over these next
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several weeks as he makes his return back in a professional wrest and after brawl
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out. So I mean to me, I think since it's gonna be Collision
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and it's gonna be in Chicago. He asked to kind of come back as
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a baby face. I think though, as collision progresses and he sees they
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see what the crowd responses in other areas, that that may change. But
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you know, there there is quite a lot of fans that still love Cumpunk,
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And you know, we talked to going back to the brawl out everything
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else. Like I found logic, and I didn't hate what he said.
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I hated how he said it and presented it, but there's a lot of
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truth in that. I think the older generation probably you know, goes along
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with that. So I'm to me, you know, you bring back in
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his baby faces, see what the crowd does. I mean, the two
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money matches to me are going to be to get him and Omega and him
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and Jericho. So and I know reportedly him and Jericho have patched things up
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or at least come to a mutual understanding, but hey, get him back
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in the ring, get him back out there with FTR, let him do
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like, let him help elevate j White, because I think Jay White's been
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struggling in aw UM and then you know, move on to Jericho and then
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build up to get to Omega at some point, but it is ironic that
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if they do. From Punk and FTR, I mean that's that was the
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six man match where he fracture his ankle in so kind of weird that they're
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going right back into the sixth man thing. But those are his guys,
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those are those are the guys that buy in and you want us surround yourself
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with people that you trust. So it makes a lot of sense in that
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way. So kind of jumping forward here in regards to Cehimfunk return to AW
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to me this these next three months from the moment he returned Earns too,
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once we get a clear picture of his direction for all in at Wembley Stadium
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in London and all out in Chicago is going to be the most telling of
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where things take themselves going forward. I would think that if I'm Tony Con,
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if I'm aw, if I want to get the most bang for my
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buck for CM Punk's return in the next three months, Doctor Trey, the
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seeds have to be planted, the build needs to start happening, then the
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matches need to be announced. That it is either he, as you pointed
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out, takes on Kenny Omega in a feud and in a match, or
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it's he an FTR taking on the Bucks and Omega. That is the money.
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But if that doesn't happen, this to me just screams like, Okay,
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if this isn't happening now, it will never happen, And what the
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hell is the environment of aw right now? This to me is a very
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crucial time, Like if we don't get that elite Punk feud nearly immediately upon
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his return, then we're never going to have it, Doctor Troy. Yeah,
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and you said all outs in Chicago. I believe it is. I
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would imagine, So I'll double check that just to make sure. Because for
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me, like I look at like, Okay, if I'm trying to fill
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Wembley Stadium up and I need I need a marketing matchup, you can do
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Punk and Jericho Wembley Stadium and those diehard fans are income and then that also
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draws the casual fans in because hell, that's a WrestleMania rematch in Wembley Stadium.
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There you get all out. It's like, yeah, Omega and Punk
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would be great. But here's the thing. This is where the egos get
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involved. Punk is not going to get booed in Chicago against Kenny Omega and
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Omega and the Bucks are baby faces right now? Could they switch? Because
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if we just did a whole don callis they we just did like we just
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reunited the elite? Do you flip them because going into Chicago, you know
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Punk's not going to get food? Or do you treat it like Bret Hart
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in Canada when he's a heel? But then do you then make Punk a
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heel heading into all Out? And if you don't pull the trigger now,
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by the time you do get ready to pull the trigger, is there still
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going to be enough fervor and interest in that match to really capitalize on it.
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So it's really they've kind of I don't they booked themselves in the corner,
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But you know, you're right, it's really interesting to see what they
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do with Punk to have his return in Chicago and All Out in Chicago,
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because you really he's not going to be a heel in those two places.
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So do you just do the Bret Heart approach or do you just run with
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it let him be a baby face? It's basically what they do with MGF
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right in Long Island and everywhere else is the Bret Heart approach. And in
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ninety seven for Canada. Yeah, it's it's really telling right now, because
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I think once he returns, you're going to see what the atmosphere, what
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the playing field is for AW, at least in the short term, which
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has potential effects for the long term, because if Punk is creatively kept away
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from the elite, then that to me again screams well one or both parties
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never want to work with one another ever again, or ever in general,
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because I don't work all them ever working with one another, and the good
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for the company of controversy creates cash is not happening. I guess there's always
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a case that maybe six months, nine months, twelve months from now,
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that maybe they feud, but at that point I feel like the ship would
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have been sailed, right. I Mean, the reason why Bret and Shawn
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worked is because despite all the backstage crap in ninety seven and ninety six,
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they were still working with one other in feuds and in the ring, and
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they were taking shots that were very, very telling in the ring on the
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microphone like this. To me, this is a game saving moment for AW.
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Doctor Tree. I mean, this is what wrestling fans want to see.
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People love drama. There's a reason why a lot of reality shows are
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very popular nowadays is because of the drama. There is some real life drama
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behind all this, and the best way to capitalize is to make money off
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of it and feud Like I remember when Steve Austin came back in two thousand
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and two after he left the company, took his ball and went home,
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maybe it was oh three, and he started feuding with Eric Bischoff, and
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because prior to all that, it was like, well, we heard the
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stories. He was given the FedEx package or FedEx envelope and was fired,
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and then WWE capitalized on it. Eric Bischoff himself just tummy to we is
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it's his line, right, Controversy creates cash. He came WWE, and
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that's something we never thought would happen, and there was some really good business
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made because of it. And there was a lot of drama, real life
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trauma that brought itself into the into the creative of WWE, and everybody worked
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themselves into what was best for business for lack of better terms, So I
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don't know, man, I just feel like if if they don't capitalize on
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this in the next three months, I just don't see it ever happening,
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and if it does happen, it's not going to be the same buzz that
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it once was. So this is very telling talented for awn C and Punk
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Doctor. Try. Yeah, I mean the way of my mind works.
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I'm like, you know, if I was given the opportunity to present this
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and they say, hey, we can't do it right now, but let's
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build towards all in or you know, double or nothing, We're going to
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build towards that, and I have a nine month build, I'm like,
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all right, cool. That gives me the ability to kind of figure out
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who Tony who wants to be the baby face, who he wants to be
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a heel And you can start planning seeds earlier, you know, and do
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a little bit of that long term story telling that you know we love WW
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with to get to that point, because then you can circle back to all
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this stuff and people like God, this is you can build the anticipation to
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get to it. You know, if you do it early, it's still
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going to do gangbusters. But you know, there is a way to do
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it long term where it works. But right now, like I said,
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if you have both these, you know, with the elite being baby phases
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and Punk and FDRB and baby phases to then try to shotgun it. You
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know it's gonna lose part of its luster. So there are ways of doing
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it long term where it still works, but you actually helps set start planning
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the seed right now. And I would really love them for them to do
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a draft and literally have Punk and Omega drafting sides, because that could really
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leap to it as well. If you did a long term version, well,
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that takes us into our next story here, which I don't think that
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they've done a draft that's played out on television. I think there's a draft
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that is played out behind the scenes based on clicks, friendliness, who likes
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who. So there's a lot of discussion right now whether or not AW is
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going to conduct a brand split with the addition of Saturday Night Collision coming to
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our airwaves in ten days less than ten days now on June the seventeenth.
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I'm in favor of the brand splint, Doctor Trey. I feel like there's
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been a lot of wrestlers that have fallen to the wayside that I would love
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to see on television. Each week we keep seeing the same wrestlers. Whether
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I really enjoy watch him on television like a Orange Cassidy and a sort of
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Stricklin or sometimes I just don't get it with like a guy such as Jungle
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Boy, and other stars aren't being pushed along that where they should be.
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You know, there's been a lot of storylines that have just kind of fallen
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off, a lot of momentum that has been derailed. You mentioned Jay White.
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I could not agree more. To me, he's one of the hottest
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free agents to hit the market and sometime comes to aw and he's been floundering
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a little bit. I mean, I like him being paired with Ricky Starks,
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but a j White to me, and I don't I get that.
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This isn't with every Rustling fan because they don't watch New Japan is a upper
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mid card slash main event talent. So I'm in favor of the brand split,
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dynamite collision, whatever you want to call it. But should they do
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it, Doctor Trey? Ultimately, should they do it is backstage politics.
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The reason why they should do it is having way too many wrestlers on your
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roster and not showcasing them why they should do it, or should they not
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do it at all? And just get it all together create you know,
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backstage PC wise, create a peaceful atmosphere and also creatively better utilize their talent
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each and every week. See like so in twelve years here in the show,
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like, I've always been a proponent of the brand splits when it comes
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like WW because when you have eighty guy is on your main roster, you're
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always going to focus on the people that you know draw and you're less likely
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to take risks to build up talent. So but on that side, there
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was always the buckstops with one guy. And I know that's been said on
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eight of you, but in reality right now it feels like the roster's naturally
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torn in half. So isn't the right thing to do, I think for
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the good of the company to actually get more TV time for some guys that
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maybe are underutilized, like we talked about. Yeah, it's great. The
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reasoning though if it is legitimately like I can't work with them, I can't
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work with him. I want to be on this show, I want to
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be on that show, is not because once again it creates that whole the
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wrestlers are running the asylums, you know, mentality, and then what if
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you're a guy that is neutral and you get drafted to Collision and all of
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a sudden, Kenny's calling you be like, Hey, did you tell Tony
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you wanted to be there because you don't like me? Like? It kind
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of creates a a ground for egos to be hurt. If somebody's like,
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nah, man, Don'ty just put me there? Oh? I don't know.
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I kind of heard that you said something to TK about you know,
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you want to be on that show and not my show. It does create
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that as well. So I think, like I said, for the prosperity
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of the company and the prosperity some under ULI's talent Brandsplo's great, But for
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the reasoning to do it, maybe not so much. That's a trade.
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This is like a weird look for aw right, Like that, there's so
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much hinging on perceived backstage politics right now. I mean, for all we
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know, we could be sitting here right now and see him. Punk and
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the elite have spoken, they are inclined to work together. All the stuff
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that we're seeing heading into it is just to kind of feed the fire fan
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the flames of an eventual feud and we're all being worked which is great if
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that is the case. But if it's not and that this is legitimate,
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is this really a poor reflection of an organization arresting promotion like this, Yeah,
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because you know what it reminds me of, And you may have to
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go back into your football history books, but like the old Eagles Dream team
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when they had Jonathan Wenab and Vince Young and they had all this collection of
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talent and they just couldn't do anything right, Like they were constantly floundering,
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and they happened to blow the team up at the end of the year.
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That's kind of how it feels right now, where like, you know,
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you're kind of catering to the workers and that's not always the best thing to
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do in business. Now you're abotually right, like could this be a work?
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The whole thing be a work and everything be copasetic on the inside.
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I don't know if everything's peg keen, but they might have figured a way
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to work together and they're just working the audience, because I mean, this
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is a company that can keep a secret. When they don't want something to
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get out, it doesn't get out. And that's always boggled me. Boggle
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my mind with all of this, is that like, there's all these leagues
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and I'm like, wait, we didn't know about Brody Lee. We didn't
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know about you know, a lot of stuff that they don't want getting out
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unless it comes unless Tony Kahn puts it out there. So I'm always kind
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of puzzled that when stuff comes out from AW is it like legitimate or is
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it a work today that I guess I don't know if I want to say
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they're better at it than the other company, but I think it's legitimate.
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Yeah, I do, I think, to me, God, I hate
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saying this because I love watching a w each and every week, and I'm
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happy with what they've done for the wrestling world by being a promotion that is
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a legit number two and opening doors for all different talents to keep the job
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going. And it makes it better for the for the wrestling world, it
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makes it better for the wrestling fans. But I think this is a reflection
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of a company that has a lot of people on the roster that lacked maybe
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maturity and professionalism that we see in a WWE Iron cloud environment. And granted
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there's always stuff that squeaks out of w E, but maybe the NXC WWPC
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system teaches folks on how to be professional and how to carry yourself behind the
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scenes and what to do and what to say when it comes to the dirt
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cheats, because I mean that run after brawl Out was nuts with the Sammy
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Cavara Entrede stuff, Eddie Kingston, like NonStop. It was like, is
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am I being worked here? Or is this company just an environment wise like
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just a complete shit show, because you know, all encompassing and going full
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circle here. Like you and I still watch the company. We will will
23:37
tune in each and every week and be fans of the company. But we
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mentioned the attendance issues and I know that it gets heat because it's like,
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okay, yeah, they're having troubles in parts of Canada, but they just
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opened up more tickets and have sold sixty five thou in Wembley Stadium. But
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I don't know that could be all just a way to send a message to
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be there first for the first UK show. Maybe it's secondary market or if
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it's legit, sixty five thousand awesome, but it doesn't make sense for fans
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not to show up for double or nothing and their debut Canada Swing the Canada
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tour doing a debut tour all through Canada and to have reportedly sold just seven
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hundred tickets for one of the Dynamites does not make sense. Maybe this is
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the domino effect of all that bullshit that happened in the Fall and the Winner
24:30
of last Year and really poor creative doctor Trey. It's it's a head scratcher,
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no that like when you look at it, it's it's reality television.
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And you know, look, you get that reality show that kind of catches
24:45
fire and everybody watches it, and then after a while you're like, I'm
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just kind of sick of all the drama and the vs. The people start
24:51
to tune it out because you know, you watch the shows and you're like,
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you know, like you mentioned earlier, like why is Jungle Boy always
24:59
being feat You know, it's like certain guys they like, why are they
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being pushed? But then other people aren't being pushed, and you just you
25:04
get frustrated, and you know, ww's gone through. I mean there's times
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that you and I have watched the show six, seven, eight years ago
25:11
and we're like, dear God, this is god awful. So there is
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those elements of frustration and then the drama and then he was like, look,
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I'll come back to you when you're crafted together. That's why if you
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have a favorite restaurant and all of a sudden the service gets terrible, in
25:26
the foods bad, you're just like, Okay, I can't quit you completely,
25:30
but yeah, I'm gonna take a break into I see some Google reviews
25:33
or some Yelp reviews that you guys have got your stuff together. So I
25:37
kind of feel like that's where a lot of the middle ground fans that you
25:41
got your die hards that are going to tune in h every week. But
25:45
those middle ground fans that don't really have that overwhelming affection for it are probably
25:49
just kind of like, look, you guys, figure it out and I'll
25:53
come back. Until then, I'll just I mean, other wrestling right now
25:56
is so good you don't need an alternative to appease your appetite. So we're
26:03
both on board with the brand split ultimately, right, I think for the
26:07
good of the company, you have to do it. Yeah. I think
26:10
if you just look from the wrestling perspective, let's try to shelve the drama
26:14
the best we can. I think to push new stars and get them involved
26:18
is the best thing that could happen is a brand split for Collision and Dynamite
26:22
because there's guys and girls that I want to see Wressell more and they're just
26:26
not getting it. And I was not tuning into Dark and Dark Elevation because
26:30
I felt like it was a waste of time. And I also feel like
26:33
parts of Rampage are becoming a waste of time. So if you have two
26:36
solid legit shows and Dynamiting Collision, hopefully it's the best thing to push newer
26:41
stars or stars that have not been pushed in some time. For AW.
26:45
So, man, this is a This is an interesting three months for AW
26:49
Doctor Trey because with the CM punk stuff, the new show, going into
26:55
all in, going in all out, like this is a potential turning point
26:57
for the company when you really take step back and look at everything going on.
27:03
Yeah, I don't know if it's Fork in the Road esque, like
27:07
if this goes sideways, you know, and ratings tank you know? Is
27:14
this is it a turning point towards pulling the plug? Like I don't know,
27:19
I mean like yeah, I mean TBS and T and T obviously and
27:23
Warner Brothers in general are very invested in this product. Succeeding. Otherwise they
27:27
wouldn't give them another two hour time slot. They wouldn't talk about, you
27:32
know, with the new relaunch of the HBO Max you know, streaming platform.
27:37
You know, they wouldn't be kind of investing so much in this brand
27:41
if they weren't themselves invested in success of it. But at there are times
27:47
that you almost feel like it's too toxic to touch as well. So it's
27:52
it's it is kind of that turning point, like, hey, like,
27:56
how does this work, how does it take off? And can we make
27:59
it succeed on the next level, because I feel like this company is kind
28:03
of plateau the last year they've they've kind of hit a ceiling and they haven't
28:08
forgot to push the past that ceiling yet. So this is an opportunity to
28:14
kind of breakthrough and uh, you know grab the brass ring. Like just
28:18
to be alluded to by Vince back in the day switching gears. This past
28:22
Tuesday, two matches were announced for Forbidden Door two New Japan and All Wrestling
28:26
on I believe it's June the twenty fifth in Chicago, Illinois, one being
28:32
will Ospray and Kenny Omega and their third match. There was a match at
28:34
Wrestle Kingdom earlier this year for the United State Championship from New Japan, and
28:41
I believe there was another one. I can't remember now. I know this
28:47
is the third one. That's very terrible of me, but I'm drawing a
28:51
blank on that. Nonetheless, the second match, this is the one I
28:52
want to talk about, is Brian Danielson taking on cousin Chica Okada that has
28:56
been announced forbiddenote Door two. Danielson made the challenge during Dominion for New Japan
29:03
recently, or the Dominion Tour, and I felt like we talked about this
29:07
a year ago, and to me, this is one of those ultimate wrestling
29:11
dream matches, and I feel like that it may not have been the same
29:15
for you, Doctor Trey, But nonetheless, Danielson Okada has been announced for
29:21
me ultimate wrestling dream match. We don't get many of them nowadays. Is
29:25
it for you? Heading into Forbidden Door? Is Danielson versus Occada a dream
29:30
match? I mean from a pure wrestling standpoint, Yeah, Sometimes these the
29:37
super indie show approach where it's like, Hey, I wanna take my best
29:41
indie guy and your best indie guy, or from the rain together. I
29:44
still like a story now, I will say I'm more intrigued by it this
29:48
year because we have a heel Brian Danielson as opposed to maybe in the past
29:53
and we had the baby faced Brian Danilsons. Because heel Brian Danilson can do
29:56
some you know, sneaky stuff during the match and get the crowd and riled
30:00
up against them. Was like that. So I'm a little bit more on
30:03
board with it this year. But yeah, from a pure wrestling standpoint,
30:07
this is for me what Aj and Seth could have been if, you know,
30:11
given the time, and we didn't already kind of have a foregone conclusion
30:14
too, who was going over recently at the pay per view? So for
30:18
me ultimate wrestle in Juray match which end begs the question which ones remained now
30:22
from active stars, I don't want you to be like, well, no,
30:25
I would love to see Steve Auston versus Rick Flair in his prime,
30:27
Like no, no, we can't do that. It's it's impossible. But
30:30
right now, right what are those dream matches for me? Seth rons Will
30:36
Osprey. They went back and forth on Twitter over the weekend teasing money in
30:40
the bank, like, that's not happening. There's no way unless Triple H
30:42
is completely on board with this that will Osprey is coming to we to wrestle
30:48
the week after Forbidden Door to take on Kenny and Megan. It's then going
30:52
to take on Seth Rons for the Role Hiveway Championship. It would be very
30:55
cool. They've gone back and forth on social media for some time. That
30:57
would be badass. That is certainly one that's out there. Kenny Omega,
31:02
Seth Rollins, Kenny Omega, Roman Reigns is out there. You know what
31:07
other ones remain in your mind right now? USO's FTR. I think giving
31:12
them an actual program, one that doesn't involve like shaving the other wrestlers back,
31:18
would be phenomenal. What are some of those ultate wrestling dream matches that
31:23
remain? Because I felt like Okada Danielson, I think when you really look
31:27
at things, it's like, man, I think this is I think this
31:30
is it? Maybe Rollins and Okada right Like, there's not many left and
31:34
it's hard to pick these, but what are some of your remaining Ultimate Wrestling
31:38
dream matches? Doctor Trey AJ and the OC versus the Elite that's up there
31:45
for me. Yeah, AJ versus H. I just had one. Oh.
31:51
I love see Brian Danielson and seth Rawlins. At this point they're growd.
31:55
I think they've wrestled in the past, but at this point their careers
31:57
I think would be outstanding. Um, I'm trying to think of a couple.
32:02
I had a couple other ones. Um, oh, the New Day
32:06
and the Elite, like they had their little exchange a few years ago,
32:09
they had their little head to head gaming thing before aw started. But you
32:15
know, arguably two of the greatest tag teams of our generation. You know,
32:17
going going at it would be great as well. Um, I kind
32:23
of want to see Wardlow at Roman as well. Okay, that's an interesting
32:28
one. Just like I don't know if anybody else has the physical attributes that
32:32
Roman does as close to what Wardlow has. UM trying to think of anything
32:38
else here. Should we throw out Roman in the Rock? Like, I
32:44
mean, it's once again that's one of those like ones, Like it's kind
32:46
of what Stone Cold him. Kevin Owens was like, is it a realistic
32:49
match? It's possible, but you know it's it's just the activeness of the
32:55
Rock. Mean, the Rock hasn't wrestled in what six years, seven years,
33:00
en plush years, ten years. Okay, so it's it's a look
33:04
as like I'm saying, I want to see Mickfoley and John Moxley go out.
33:07
See this is what I was a friend. See this is what I
33:09
meant. It was like, you know, Brett Hart versus cum Punk.
33:13
It's like, no, that's that's not happening. But I do think Roman
33:15
versus Rock has the potential. Doctor try no, it's it's I mean,
33:22
trying to think of some other ones, but yeah, I mean it's it's
33:24
on the table because Rocks not that point. Like Rocks maybe the most physically
33:29
uh gifted people out of the semi retired folks. You know what I'm saying,
33:35
Like, you know, he can he still looks the part, he
33:37
can still do the job. Um, there's just not a lot of guys
33:42
out there that are retired that I mean. That's like saying, like,
33:45
oh, Sean Michael, we still never gotten Shawn Michael's Brian Danielson, Yeah,
33:50
you know, yeah, that would be great. But like you know,
33:52
in anything with Kenny and aj Or Seth or Brian Danielson involved, it's
33:57
gonna be a Dream Match just because of how great they are in the ring,
34:00
uh saying with the USO's FTR, the Elite New Day, I would
34:05
say, Okada Osprey, I'm huge fans of those guys. Yeah, you
34:08
know. Osprey for me is like when those guys is like when you saw
34:13
him go to the next level when he got bigger, you know, you
34:15
saw him actually take that step into like the heavyweight range of professional wrestling.
34:21
So that's that's great as well. I mean trying to think if there's anybody
34:24
from UH Impact that I want to see the factor she's really Paul now well,
34:31
I mean you know, uh sah. Thanks. Britt Baker, Yeah,
34:37
that would be cool. And there's some reports out there today that there
34:40
were some serious conversations with Mercedes Money coming to Forbidden Door prior to her ankle
34:46
injury suffered new And during the match with Willow Nightingale to kry the first New
34:51
Japan Strong Women's Champion. That would be cool. I would agree with you
34:54
on that one. I think at Breaker versus any of the top WI stars
35:00
to me is in there as well, Becky and Seth against Adam Colambritt Baker,
35:04
that'd be cool that Yeah, we're all forgeting. We're also forgetting Adam
35:07
Cole. I'm a big Adam Cole guy. There's plenty of Adam Cole matches
35:10
that I think would be badass. I'm just trying to think, like,
35:15
like, who can I put MJF up against that? Promo wise, like,
35:20
I'd love to see m JFF and the Miss, but then again,
35:22
they're both kind of heels, and Miss isn't as elevated as maybe he should
35:27
be. But m JAFF and Rollins yeah too. I mean m JFF and
35:32
Cody and www, yeah, m JFF and Cody might be one because I
35:37
mean I know he had the one, you know, a small few with
35:39
at that point. M JAFF really wasn't Cody established m JF. MJF now
35:46
has branched out on his own. Um, try think like Black Cool Combat
35:52
Club Bloodline. Wow, well, I mean there's some stuff going on the
35:57
Bloodline right now that we'll get to your momentarily that may change things. But
36:01
I think there's plenty of Ultimate Wrestling Dream matches out there still that remain.
36:06
But Okada Danielson for me, was one of the top ones, and I'm
36:08
very excited to see this for Forbidden Door two in just a couple of weeks,
36:13
presented by aw and New Japan Pear Wrestling Real quick, Hey, real
36:16
quick. By the way, So now that's forbidden Door two. Does that
36:21
fall in line with rock Sina too? Like, if it's forbidden but you're
36:25
doing it again, is it just become the door? Well they didn't say
36:29
that this is once in a lifetime. Yeah, but it is. But
36:32
the word forbidden means you shouldn't do it, but now we're doing it again,
36:36
So is it like is it like the lumbada? Like what'd you started
36:39
the forbidden dance? But then everybody did it for a while? Like I
36:42
just I guess, I mean, I just look at it now. Is
36:45
when wrestlers come over to other companies that are not WWA. Yeah, it's
36:51
kind of been the phrase for it now, right, I know they use
36:53
it everywhere now. It's like forbidden door and the word epic. So those
36:57
two things are in line together for me, I guess in awesome always awesome,
37:00
it's used. Finally. The last thing I want to talk about here
37:02
in regards the bloodline is on Friday Night's edition of SmackDown, they are teasing
37:08
that Jay USSO will be making his decision on what is next for him.
37:13
Will he side with Jimmy Usso, who was formerly kicked out of the Bloodline
37:16
this past week's edition of SmackDown, or will he align himself with Solo,
37:22
Skoa and Roman Reigns who ultimately turned their back on Jimmy as well in that
37:27
final segment on SmackDown that was executed very very well and a great segment,
37:30
very compelling stuff. So the decision lingers, Doctor Trey. But I ask,
37:36
as a wrestling fan, what is the most compelling move? What is
37:38
going to put you closer to the edge of your seat than you were previously?
37:44
I mean, it's gonna be Jay's signing with his brother for me,
37:46
Like, I just don't see it upside Like I like Jimmy USO. I
37:51
think Jimmy us is a fantastic wrestler. But as you and I discussed last
37:55
week and we've discussed as long as it's been going on, Jay's on a
38:00
different level right now than what Jimmy is. Like his facials, the emotion,
38:05
the storytelling he's doing without wrestling is a different level than what Jimmy does.
38:10
And I think you know, with you know, I guess kind of
38:14
the decision part two since he just had a decision a few months back,
38:19
with Sammy now having a decision with his brother, is you know, compelling
38:22
story tide because of how good Jay USO is, So I think that's the
38:27
more compelling story line. And to see the Usos against Solo in Roman,
38:30
Yeah, I think that is it for me as well, because if he
38:35
sides, If Jay sides with Solo in Roman, it's like, Okay,
38:37
where do things go from here? Right? Like it just doesn't make any
38:43
It doesn't make any sense. I mean, I guess it could be prolonged
38:45
out a little bit more that three six months down the line we're talking about
38:50
Jay eventually turning on the Bloodline. But I feel like if there's a time
38:53
for the decision to be made, like this is it, And I expect
38:58
this week's edition to SmackDown and have some pretty decent viewership because of it.
39:00
Doctor Try. Yeah, I mean it's kind of like the SmackDown after elimination
39:07
chamber, like what's gonna be the fallout umber the one with Sammy and turning
39:15
on Roman Royal Rumble, And to me, it's kind of in that Vein
39:19
where I mean that rating was pretty good because you want to see what was
39:21
going to happen with Roman and Sammy and everything else. So, I mean,
39:25
the fans are bought in on this. Everybody loves its angle. I
39:28
thought that's you know, everything happened last week on SmackDown. That whole closing
39:30
segment was fantastic and it kind of went along what we talked about, like
39:35
the fact that like Solo is Jimmy and Jay's brother, but Roman is kind
39:40
of the big brother. Like it's it was really good storytelling, and you
39:45
know, I think I think the Paul Hayman segment on Monday Night Raw saying
39:47
he'll fall in line or else, I thought was good as well. So
39:52
it's just been damn good storytelling from this aspect, And you know, it's
39:55
it's fun to watch a show where you're like, man, I have to
39:58
tune in each every week to see what the drama going on storyline wise is
40:02
and not just you know, the really good wrestling. Now. I know
40:06
they parodied Good Fellas right during the stuff leading into WrestleMania they were doing.
40:13
The movie parody was for Good Fellas, Like this bloodline is a Mafioso esque
40:19
storyline that's taking place, that we're seeing the family like people being whacked and
40:23
turning, and the leader of the group like losing his mind a little bit.
40:27
It's it's some of the most compelling and riveting stuff I've seen from W
40:30
and very complex, different dimensions, different twists and turns, and I think
40:37
we all kind of know what the end result will be, like Roman will
40:39
kind of cave in and cause his empire to collapse around him, and maybe
40:44
that's the way he ushers out of W is a full timer or this state
40:49
of a full timer? But I mean it's some really great stuff, Doctor
40:52
Trey, And I'm looking forward to Friday Night's edition of SmackDown, and I
40:54
agree with the most compelling move is for j two side with Jimmy, because,
40:59
like I said before, if he doesn't, then what what do we
41:01
see next? Who could side with Jimmy. I can't see Kevin and Sammy
41:05
coming over to SmackDown, I guess no, I mean maybe returning Drew McIntire
41:10
or somebody. I think Drew's he's on raw, He's he's raw like for
41:15
me. The other question then is you know, if Jimmy's side or Jay
41:19
side to Jimmy and you go basically two on two. The heels have to
41:22
get an advantage. And so either this is the ending of the bloodline and
41:28
Roman ends up alone, or they have to bring in reinforcements. And if
41:31
that's the case, like it probably won't be something from the I mean,
41:36
there's Jacob faugh two out there on the independence, but usually at this point
41:39
they where he got somebody in developmental in line to do something. They don't
41:45
really have that. So then is there somebody they bring in, almost as
41:50
you know, a Burke for Higher type approach, to help Roman hang on
41:54
to his title as long as possible. If they do to go the route
41:58
of splitting the bloodline down the middle, you're gonna hate me for this,
42:01
but you've been brought up about like bringing somebody in, and you're looking at
42:05
it from the Roman perspective, well from the USO's perspective. If like this
42:09
becomes a family war between the Annawani family, what is the likelihood that the
42:15
stuff that we're seeing right now actually does usher or at least open the door
42:20
for the Rock to return and have this feud with Roman fighting, having this
42:23
civil war amongst his family. It's possible. But then once again, if
42:29
the Rock. The way that works for me is if Jay turns on Jimmy,
42:34
Jay stays with Roman, and then the Rock comes into basically you know,
42:39
say that in reality, he's the head of the table and what Romans
42:42
doing the family is destroying the family. Like, I don't see Rock coming
42:46
in to side with Jay and Jimmy against Roman. It would have to be
42:51
where at the end of the day they're still outnumbered for it to be a
42:54
baby faced angle that kind of works. I still have this vision that like
43:00
Roman, like Rock's mom is ringside and Roman like rips are apart, and
43:06
that's what leads into verbally rips or apart, not physically. Guys will come
43:08
down, and that's what leads to the Rock from returning to WW Like.
43:15
I just feel like that would be another compelling layer to It's it's intriguing.
43:19
It's really intriguing stuff. You don't know where things go. I said it
43:22
before and I'll say it again. I find Jay was to be the most
43:23
compelling wrestling character in all of the profession right now, and that's extremely crazy
43:30
because he's just a tag team star who is slowly but surely starting to break
43:34
out and went from a guy that's like, man, I can't believe he's
43:37
feuding with Roman, He's in a w championship match, Like, what is
43:39
this all about too legitimately being someone I could see as a main eventor going
43:45
forward. So props to everybody involved with the bloodline because that storyline has been
43:49
awesome and I cannot wait for Friday SmackDown to check out what is that decision
43:54
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