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Missing Girl Audrii, 11, Fished From River: Nazi Sex Perv Suspect · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: In the last hours, the body of a beautiful little girl, Audrey,
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Speaker 2: just eleven years old, has been pulled af from under
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Speaker 2: a bridge in a Texas river. Heads are gonna roll.
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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 2: being with us here at Crime Stories and on Serious
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Speaker 2: XM one eleven.
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Speaker 3: First of all, take a listen to this.
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Speaker 4: At this time, I sadly announced that Audrey's body was
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Speaker 4: located at the Trinity River on the US Highway fifty nine.
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Speaker 4: As a result of today's developments, I will just continue
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Speaker 4: you the Amber Alert for Audrey, and I want to
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Speaker 4: thank DPS Department of Public Safety for all their help
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Speaker 4: in this alert. The information that we have gathered in
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Speaker 4: this criminal investigation is substantial. My heart aches with this news,
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Speaker 4: and I expressed with my deepest sympathies and condolences to
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Speaker 4: everyone who knew, who cared for and loved Audrey. The
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Speaker 4: Sheriff's office. We will continue to process the evidence that
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Speaker 4: has been gathered to ensure that the justice for Audrey.
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Speaker 2: And you can hear the Polk County Shriff Byron Lion's
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Speaker 2: voice cracking after he and his whole team volunteers, you
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Speaker 2: name it tried to find Audrey alive. That did not happen.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen to what else share of Byron Allions
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Speaker 2: has to say.
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Speaker 4: Thank you to Trinity River Authority following the water levels
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Speaker 4: so that the divers could reach the area, could reach
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Speaker 4: areas of interest. Due to the lower we were able
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Speaker 4: to contact tra Trinda River Authority. They slowed down the
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Speaker 4: outflow from the reservoir and it allowed the water to
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Speaker 4: go down and her body was discovered. They're in the water.
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Speaker 4: But I'm not gonna say whether it was Harris County
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Speaker 4: or Montgomery County or equo search. It was a conglomeration
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Speaker 4: of a lot of love and law enforcement networking together
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Speaker 4: that him discovered her.
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Speaker 2: I've done a lot of dive searches, but never have
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Speaker 2: I seen the water actually lowered in the body of
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Speaker 2: water in order to find a body. For those of
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Speaker 2: you just joining us, the body of an eleven year
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Speaker 2: old girl, Audrey Cunningham has been found.
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Speaker 3: Joining me in all.
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Speaker 2: Star peneal to make sense of what we know now,
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Speaker 2: including a man that predicted the defendant would attack again.
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Speaker 2: After the defendant attacked him, did he go to town Hell? No,
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Speaker 2: that's why he was out to murder Audrey. Yeah, that
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Speaker 2: victim joining us, But first to Bob Price, joining us
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Speaker 2: Associate editor, senior news contributor. You can find it at
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Speaker 2: Breitbart dot com. Bob, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Tell me about the discovery of this child.
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Speaker 5: Well, Nancy, thank you for having me on to discuss
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Speaker 5: this horrific situation. So Sheriff Lines announced yesterday that they
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Speaker 5: had recovered the body of this eleven year old and
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Speaker 5: a little girl. Just an absolutely tragic event. Yesterday on
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Speaker 5: your show, you discussed that the sheriff had taken mister
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Speaker 5: McDougall around various places he had been that day. One
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Speaker 5: of the places that he took the Sheriff's department to
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Speaker 5: was that bridge where they found Audrey's body near one
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Speaker 5: of the bridge pillars underneath the bridge.
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Speaker 3: Stop right there, Bob Price.
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Speaker 2: Number one, you think I believe thing that POC says,
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Speaker 2: technical legal term, piece of crap. One thing he says,
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Speaker 2: he's going to twist us every way he can to
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Speaker 2: his benefit. Hey, Bob Price, when he was driving the
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Speaker 2: police arounded, he say, oh, yeah, that's where I put
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Speaker 2: her body.
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Speaker 5: So what the sheriff explained is that he just took
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Speaker 5: them to places that he said he had been that day,
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Speaker 5: kind of accounting for your time, so to speak.
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Speaker 2: Bob, is it true this guy backed into a tree
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Speaker 2: and left and identifying mark from his bumper on the
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Speaker 2: tree when he was disposing of an eleven year old
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Speaker 2: girl's body. I think that's how they figured it out.
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Speaker 2: They find the backpack, they see that in mark on
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Speaker 2: a tree, and they know, well.
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Speaker 6: This is the place where the body was found.
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Speaker 5: Is about five miles down the river from where the
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Speaker 5: backpack was found. But yes, he reportedly did strike a
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Speaker 5: tree with his suburban and they were able to match
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Speaker 5: both what I've been told tire tracks and his bumper
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Speaker 5: marks to that location where the backpack was found. And
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Speaker 5: then the body was found lower down the river and
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Speaker 5: the currents moving very swiftly there. This is just below
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Speaker 5: the lake Livingston Dam, and the water is high in
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Speaker 5: the lake right now, so they've been releasing a lot
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Speaker 5: of water. The current's been flowing rapidly, and that's why
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Speaker 5: they were able to lower the level of the lake,
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Speaker 5: as you mentioned, the river in order to slow the
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Speaker 5: currents down enough that the divers could get in to
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Speaker 5: where they suspected her body would be end sure enough,
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Speaker 5: they've found us there. I asked Sheriff Lions yesterday if
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Speaker 5: there was any evidence that the body had been weighted
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Speaker 5: down or in any other way rigged to where it
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Speaker 5: would stay underwater, and he declined to answer. That commed
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Speaker 5: he did not say no, which I would think he
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Speaker 5: would say no if that wasn't the case, but he
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Speaker 5: declined to answer that.
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Speaker 2: Can I ask you something, Bob Price, what is so
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Speaker 2: unique about his bumper that does he have a hitch
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Speaker 2: on it that they could identify the mark on the
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Speaker 2: tree and match it to his bumper.
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Speaker 5: I'm not sure exactly how they matched that. It could
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Speaker 5: mean that there was maybe evidence of the tree on
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Speaker 5: the bumper, something like that.
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Speaker 2: I'm looking at it right now. There's got to be
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Speaker 2: something unique about that bumper. Maybe there's some paint on
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Speaker 2: the tree that will match up. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 2: you can forensically identify a type of paint from a
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Speaker 2: car and trace it to the year, the model, the
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Speaker 2: make the works, and then go back to his vehicle
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Speaker 2: and find, if you take the time, forensic evidence of
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Speaker 2: tree residue on the bumper. That said, joining me now
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Speaker 2: in addition to Bob Price, Associate editor, senior news contributor Breitbart,
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Speaker 2: longtime friend and colleague, the gold Standard, Mark Class is
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Speaker 2: joining me. Mark Class, founder of Class Kids Foundation at
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Speaker 2: class kids dot org, has devoted his life to finding
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Speaker 2: missing children after his beautiful daughter Polly was kidnapped and murdered.
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Speaker 2: Made that perp rot in hell Mark Class. Just so
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Speaker 2: many thoughts colliding in my head right now, because when
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Speaker 2: Bob Price, our investigative reporter joined is speaking, he's talking
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Speaker 2: about the currents and the cold water and her body
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Speaker 2: under a bridge. All I can think about is this
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Speaker 2: little girl's body going along with the current dead, probably
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Speaker 2: face down in that cold, cold water, till it lodged
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Speaker 2: under a bridge. An eleven year old girl, Mark Class
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Speaker 2: let it rip pullis Nantcy.
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Speaker 7: Before he lord her body or tossed her body into
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Speaker 7: the river, he expos exposed this child to the worst
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Speaker 7: possible nightmare that anyone could even envision. I mean, she
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Speaker 7: was she was taken to this place, she was murdered
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Speaker 7: by this guy. She was most likely sexually assaulted by
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Speaker 7: this guy, and he went on with his day after this.
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Speaker 7: This is a guy that has a criminal history, somebody
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Speaker 7: that is known to have caused harm, yet he was
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Speaker 7: given access to this child. I don't understand this dynamic
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Speaker 7: at all. I don't understand what the priorities were with
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Speaker 7: this little girl's family that this guy could even have
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Speaker 7: access to then commit the horrendous and dastardly deeds that
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Speaker 7: he did.
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Speaker 6: It's absolutely obscene.
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Speaker 3: Hey, who's the speaking?
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Speaker 7: It is obscene?
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Speaker 5: That was Bob.
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Speaker 3: Sorry, hey, Bob, Bob Bryce.
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Speaker 2: I was just about to go to you, Bob Pryce,
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Speaker 2: investigative reporter joining us from Breitbart, Bob something, and I
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Speaker 2: want to go back to Mark class on this, but
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Speaker 2: Bob Price, Yes, No. Isn't it true that the defendant
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Speaker 2: in this case, Don Stephen mcdougle, aged forty two, was
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Speaker 2: spotted at a gas station around nine am and at
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Speaker 2: that time.
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Speaker 3: He did not have Audrey with him. Is that correct?
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Speaker 7: Yes?
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Speaker 5: Video evidence has proven that up to be true. According
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Speaker 5: to what we've heard, it's just absolutely obscene that this
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Speaker 5: man was within a thousand yards of this little girl
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Speaker 5: at any time. This father is very evident. The man's
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Speaker 5: covered with neo Nazi tattoos, Arian Brotherhood tattoos ss.
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Speaker 2: A Nazi swastika for Pete's sake, Yes, all of these
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Speaker 2: kinds of things in pictures. He's doing the one two
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Speaker 2: ab Arian brotherhood.
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Speaker 3: I mean it's like a does a.
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Speaker 2: Piano have to fall on your head to know this
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Speaker 2: guy is bad?
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Speaker 3: Stay away from him.
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Speaker 2: And I'm following up, Bob, I thank you for confirming that,
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Speaker 2: Mark Klass. You said this and chills, arms and legs.
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Speaker 2: He just went on about his day like nothing had happened.
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Speaker 3: There he is filling up with gas after he's been.
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Speaker 2: Driving around and around and around with this girl's body,
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Speaker 2: probably in the car to find a place to dump
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Speaker 2: her body.
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Speaker 3: And look, he's a sex offender.
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Speaker 2: He's already pled guilty to trying to have sex, taking
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Speaker 2: the underwear and the pj's off a little.
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Speaker 3: Girl, getting in bed with her. How did he get
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Speaker 3: access to another little girl?
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Speaker 8: Nancy? And he showed up at a donut shop across
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Speaker 8: from the courthouse, which is a mile from the jail
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Speaker 8: the next morning. Talk about nonchalant.
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Speaker 2: Yes, Mark Klass, what you said just before Lana jumped in.
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Speaker 2: Hey guys, Lana Shadwick, high profile lawyer out of Texas
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Speaker 2: who has made her way out of the court m
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Speaker 2: to join us Former Harris County judge and prosecutor Atlantashadwick
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Speaker 2: dot Com also at it as She's right, Mark class.
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Speaker 2: The guy didn't just go for gas. He was propped
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Speaker 2: up at a donut shop. This is after he is
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Speaker 2: disposed of an eleven year old girl's body in that
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Speaker 2: cold water Mark class, Well, this man.
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Speaker 7: Has absolutely no value for any life other than his owner.
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Speaker 7: He wouldn't have been able to do that. His conscience
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Speaker 7: would have stopped him. He has no conscience. He's just
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Speaker 7: a killing machine who, for some inexplicable reason, was out
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Speaker 7: and about with an eleven year old girl. I don't
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Speaker 7: know what anybody was actually expecting the results of this
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Speaker 7: union to be. But my god, I'm my god. If
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Speaker 7: you could only turn back time.
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Speaker 9: And talk about detached.
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Speaker 8: He goes to a donut shop, which.
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Speaker 9: Is right across from the courthouse.
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Speaker 8: You can throw a ball and hit the judge's window.
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Speaker 8: I mean, it's down the street from the jail. What
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Speaker 8: kind of narcissist or detached individual is this? You're gonna
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Speaker 8: go downtown where the cops are.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I just violated every rule to be a good
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Speaker 2: trial lawyer. I placed myself in this by thinking in
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Speaker 2: my own children, Mark Class. I really don't know how
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Speaker 2: you even move forward. All I can think about is
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Speaker 2: my girl. I mean, a convicted sex offender who was
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Speaker 2: allowed to plean down his case where he attacked another
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Speaker 2: little girl in her bed. He had access to her
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Speaker 2: home too. Was think about these similarities like a fingerprint.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: In addition to attacking Elick Bryan who is with us
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Speaker 2: Elick Bryant the third I believe, with a knife. Now this, ma'am,
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Speaker 2: why was he allowed to be around eleven year old Audrey?
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Speaker 2: And he's out having a donut Mark Klass, a donut.
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Speaker 3: He's pumping his gas after driving.
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Speaker 2: Don't you know he went in all these circuitous routes
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Speaker 2: trying to figure out where to hide this girl's body,
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Speaker 2: this little eleven year old girl with that big smile,
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Speaker 2: and now he's got to fill up his gas take
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Speaker 2: and get a donut.
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Speaker 3: Really well, I don't.
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Speaker 7: Know what even to say about something like this, Nancy.
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Speaker 7: I mean, one has to look back to this guy's
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Speaker 7: criminal history and to see about how he's been better,
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Speaker 7: and his medical stream to see how he's been diagnosed.
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Speaker 7: I've spent my life trying to keep people like this
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Speaker 7: away from little children. You put out the information, you
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Speaker 7: educate people, you raise awareness, you get laws passed. But
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Speaker 7: still there are families that are willing to allow something
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Speaker 7: like this, allow a known monster to have access, unfettered access,
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Speaker 7: apparently to their little children. I don't know what anybody
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Speaker 7: expects the outcomes of these kinds of situations can be.
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Speaker 7: It's it's just, it's unbelievable. It's it's uncivilized, it's it's nightmarriage.
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Speaker 7: It's spawned from the devil himself.
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Speaker 2: Have you looked at this guy's tattoos. I'm not trashing tattoos,
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Speaker 2: don't care. You want to ink up your body, have
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Speaker 2: at it. But when you put swastikas and Arian brotherhood
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Speaker 2: tattoos all over your body, you're like a walking billboard.
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Speaker 2: You might as well walk down Third Avenue in New
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Speaker 2: York City with a sign that says, I am a
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Speaker 2: piece of crap, Stay away from me. I mean, who
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Speaker 2: puts a Nazi swastika on their arm in plaint view
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Speaker 2: and it assists on wearing the sleeveless wife beater t shirts.
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Speaker 3: He's proud of it. Jump in.
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Speaker 6: He's walking billboard for the penitentiary system. If we you know,
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Speaker 6: to your point, and I think Mark is an absolute
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Speaker 6: warrior for children around this country. He speaks with authenticity,
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Speaker 6: and when we think about this guy being out on
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Speaker 6: the streets, it's just horrendous. And he would have had
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Speaker 6: access to this small child.
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Speaker 2: Guess what I'm holding in my hand right now, guys,
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Speaker 2: a wrap sheet. It goes all the way back to
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Speaker 2: two thousand and one. Possession of pot Cleveland, two thousand
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Speaker 2: and two, assault of a public servant, don't know what
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Speaker 2: that was, two thousand and three, drugs two thousand and three,
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Speaker 2: two thousand and three, more marijuana two thousand and five,
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Speaker 2: evading arrest two thousand and six.
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Speaker 3: Theft keeps ongoing and meth.
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Speaker 2: Now he's onto meth and they say Pot's not a
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Speaker 2: gateway drug, Okay, whatever.
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Speaker 3: Two thousand and seven, enticing child.
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Speaker 2: There you go, There you go, that should have been
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Speaker 2: a child molesstation Church felony, more aggravated assault, unauthorized use
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Speaker 2: of vehicle that I guarantee you that was planned down
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Speaker 2: from a theft by receiving stolen property being a car
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Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, theft of property, reckless driving, assault for bodily injury,
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Speaker 2: harassment twenty twenty three resisting arrest. You know, hold on
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Speaker 2: just a moment. Why am I reading the wrap sheet?
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Speaker 2: I have a victim with me right now. Elick Brian
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Speaker 2: the third, who was assaulted by this perv don Steve
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Speaker 2: mcdo goal in two thousand and ten.
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Speaker 3: Elec Brian the third, what happened?
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Speaker 10: Well, he started working at the place I was at,
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Speaker 10: which was where I was. We worked in an oil
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Speaker 10: change place in Grolsey, Texas, yep. And some friends brought
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Speaker 10: him over to my house and he got a little
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Speaker 10: bliger it when he was drunk and started making comments
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Speaker 10: and actions towards one of their wives.
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Speaker 2: Well well, wait, wait, wait, wait wait, Eleck Brian the third,
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Speaker 2: what kind of comment did he make to a woman?
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Speaker 10: Oh, he was basically he was grabbing her and hitting
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Speaker 10: on her like he was trying to do inappropriate things
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Speaker 10: with her.
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Speaker 3: Have sex with her.
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Speaker 10: Pretty much, Yes, ma'am.
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Speaker 3: Did he touch any of her private parts? Grabbereran touch
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Speaker 3: her breast? What was he saying?
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Speaker 10: He was just talking. I don't know if he's where
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Speaker 10: he touched her because we I wasn't that part of it.
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Speaker 10: But she had come out and said that he was
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Speaker 10: groping her and that he was saying lude things about
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Speaker 10: her and how he wanted to have sex with her.
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Speaker 2: Sure he is, I want to have sex with you.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure he says something along lines of I want
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Speaker 2: to f you. I gave up cursing, so sorry about that. Uh,
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Speaker 2: Ellie Brian the third. And this is in a public
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Speaker 2: place with a group of women and men around.
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Speaker 10: This was at my house.
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Speaker 3: So elick.
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Speaker 2: If he would do that in front of grown men
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Speaker 2: and women grope a woman, what would he do with
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Speaker 2: an eleven year old little girl all alone in his suv.
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Speaker 3: Or all alone in her home and herself.
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Speaker 2: She couldn't defend herself. And in her mind, this is
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Speaker 2: daddy's friend. You know how hard it is to get
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Speaker 2: child molestation victims to speak out. They don't even understand
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Speaker 2: what's happened to them. And this is daddy's friend. What's
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Speaker 2: she going to do? She probably thinks, well, daddy knows
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Speaker 2: it together. Okay, what how do you know this? Please
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Speaker 2: tell me what you know? Eleck Bryant the third.
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Speaker 10: There is a Facebook page called Justice for Audrey Cunningham,
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Speaker 10: and there are pictures on there of them in a vehicle,
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Speaker 10: Dawn and Audrey and a group of family members going
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Speaker 10: on vacation to Florida back.
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Speaker 3: To you getting attacked.
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Speaker 2: So the woman comes out and says, this guy is
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Speaker 2: groping me.
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Speaker 10: Then what happens, Well, her husband tries to fight him,
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Speaker 10: and I stop him and we just throw him out
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Speaker 10: of the house.
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Speaker 2: You don't, right, the husband better try to fight him.
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Speaker 2: If David Lynch didn't punch the daylights out of him,
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Speaker 2: if it were me, we'll be looking at a divorce
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Speaker 2: lawyer right now. So the husband goes in, he tries
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Speaker 2: to take a swing at McDougall.
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Speaker 3: You break it up, and then what happens.
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Speaker 10: Well, you basically just I just forced him out of
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Speaker 10: the house. Tom, He's got to go okay, and you
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Speaker 10: know he's beingligerent with me at this time, and I
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Speaker 10: push him out the door. And then a little time
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Speaker 10: goes by and I heard somebody beating on the door.
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Speaker 7: It's him.
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Speaker 10: He has a knife and he stab it at my
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Speaker 10: door trying to get back in the house.
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Speaker 3: Then what happened.
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Speaker 10: I grabbed my shotgun and I open up the front
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Speaker 10: door and he comes at me with the knife and
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Speaker 10: I hit him in the face with the gun with
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Speaker 10: the barrel of the gun and give me back out
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Speaker 10: the door and we call the cops.
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Speaker 2: He came at you with a knife, yes, ma'am, Then
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Speaker 2: what happened?
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Speaker 10: Like I said, I hit him in the face with
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Speaker 10: the barrel of the gun and pushed him out and
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Speaker 10: slammed the door and called the cops.
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Speaker 2: Well, so far, you're the only one that has gotten
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Speaker 2: justice with this guy, Don Stephen McDougall. And it seems
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Speaker 2: like even the barrel end of a gun didn't teach
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Speaker 2: him a lesson, because here he is with this eleven
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Speaker 2: year old girl. Doctor Kendall Crowns helped me out.
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Speaker 3: Guys with me.
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Speaker 2: Renowned chief medical examiner Terren County lecturer Texas Christian University
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Speaker 2: Medical School has performed literally thousands of autopsies. Doctor Crowns,
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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Please give me some
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Speaker 2: good news, if there is any good news right now. Forensically,
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Speaker 2: did the cold water help us in any way to
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Speaker 2: determine cod cause of death?
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Speaker 11: The cold water will slow down the decompositional process, so
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Speaker 11: it will preserve injuries better instead of the injuries being
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Speaker 11: obscured by the body decomposing will be kept intact, so
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Speaker 11: in that manner, it'll aid the investigators with the case
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Speaker 11: because there'll be less decomposition.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Kennel Crowns, you perform so many autopsies. When you
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Speaker 2: see a child like Audrey laying there on your autopsy table,
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Are you like me?
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Speaker 2: Sometimes I don't know whether to cry or be angry
21:46
Speaker 2: or just throw up, just vomit.
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Speaker 3: How do you do it?
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Speaker 11: There's always an emotional component with children, but you have
21:53
Speaker 11: to always say to yourself, you're here to get the answers.
21:56
Speaker 11: You're here to catch those people that have cause this death,
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Speaker 11: or for that matter, to exonerate people that have been
22:04
Speaker 11: blamed for it. So you're there to get answers, and
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Speaker 11: you can't let your emotions cloud your judgment. Are making
22:10
Speaker 11: by it.
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Speaker 2: Ellie Brian the third who was assaulted by this same
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Speaker 2: guy Don Steve McDougall now person of interest suspect in
22:21
Speaker 2: the brutal murder, and I guarantee you the rape of
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Speaker 2: an eleven year old little girl defenseless. My guess is
22:29
Speaker 2: alone in the car with this guy who is living
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Speaker 2: in a camper.
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Speaker 3: In daddy's backyard.
22:35
Speaker 2: You are quoted saying that he came back to your
22:39
Speaker 2: house and started stabbing the door and the tires of
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Speaker 2: the cars. He pulled a knife on you and came
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Speaker 2: at you. Most important, you're not surprised to hear he's
22:55
Speaker 2: involved in Audrey's disappearance.
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Speaker 3: Why do you say that?
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Speaker 7: Not at all?
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Speaker 10: Because just a couple of years ago I saw it
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Speaker 10: on Facebook where somebody was looking for information on him
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Speaker 10: because he was sending lude pictures to their little girl.
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Speaker 2: Dear Lord in Heaven, swow it down, Ab the third,
23:12
Speaker 2: What did you just say?
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Speaker 10: Somebody had posted on Facebook about him, a picture of
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Speaker 10: him and his name, saying that he was sending lud
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Speaker 10: pictures to live to their daughters.
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Speaker 3: Mark Class. Does it never end with this guy?
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Speaker 7: Well, I think that's an important point. I mean, this
23:29
Speaker 7: guy is an habitual criminal. This guy has been doing
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Speaker 7: gastardly horrible things his entire life. And exactly where does
23:38
Speaker 7: the prosecutor get off thinking that being light on this
23:42
Speaker 7: guy is somehow going to change it and make it
23:45
Speaker 7: better for the next individual that has to face him. Obviously,
23:49
Speaker 7: this guy has done how many years, over twenty years
23:52
Speaker 7: of criminal activity, NonStop criminal activity, assault, going after little girls,
23:59
Speaker 7: doing all of these horrible things. Yet here he is
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Speaker 7: on the street in a car with the little girl.
24:05
Speaker 7: And who is he? He's daddy's friend, you know what, Nancy.
24:08
Speaker 7: He's daddy's friend until he isn't daddy's friend. He's daddy's
24:12
Speaker 7: friend until he takes her out of the car and
24:15
Speaker 7: starts doing whatever the hell it is that he did
24:18
Speaker 7: to her that made him believe he had to throw
24:21
Speaker 7: her dead body into a river. It's just pure evil.
24:24
Speaker 7: Why is this guy even existing? Why is this guy
24:27
Speaker 7: even on the face of the earth. Certainly, why is
24:30
Speaker 7: this guy in society?
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Speaker 3: I'm about to go to our shrink.
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Speaker 2: Karen ll start joining us out on New York renowned
24:37
Speaker 2: TV radio. Trump expert and consultant, But Atlanta Shadwick set
24:42
Speaker 2: it up for me. Here is a guy with this
24:45
Speaker 2: long record. You are a prosecutor, you're a judge. Now
24:48
Speaker 2: you're a high profile lawyer in this jurisdiction, Livingston, Texas.
24:52
Speaker 2: You know what, every time I would get a case,
24:56
Speaker 2: it could be a car theft, it could be a
24:59
Speaker 2: nickel bag, it could be in any number of things.
25:03
Speaker 2: And if I saw the defendant had a gun, all
25:06
Speaker 2: I could think about was my fiancee Keith, getting murdered,
25:12
Speaker 2: and I would insist on jail time every.
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Speaker 3: Time I could get it. Why in the h E
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Speaker 3: double l with this.
25:21
Speaker 2: Guy crawled into a little girl's bed and wrestled off
25:24
Speaker 2: her pajamas and her underwear. Why did he get a
25:28
Speaker 2: cheap play and walk out free, walk out free.
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Speaker 8: I don't know what they do in Brisooria County, but
25:36
Speaker 8: that won't fly in Pole County in East Texas. Just
25:40
Speaker 8: telling you right now.
25:41
Speaker 3: And another thing there he is.
25:43
Speaker 2: I have to find out from Elick Bryan the third
25:46
Speaker 2: that this guy is in sending lud, which means his penis.
25:50
Speaker 2: That's what that means, pictures to her daughters on Facebook.
25:56
Speaker 2: He's not even trying to hide it for Peinte's sake,
25:59
Speaker 2: that he's never prosecuted. I'm just hearing about that in
26:02
Speaker 2: the first time right now, Leanna Well.
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Speaker 8: And not only that there was a stabbing in August
26:08
Speaker 8: that he was being held on since I guess Friday
26:12
Speaker 8: with regard to an aggravated assault with a deadly whimp,
26:16
Speaker 8: that's a clue in Texas. That's what we call a clue.
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Speaker 3: That's what I call a similar transaction.
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Speaker 2: David Stanley, Yes, yes, yes, yes, Okay, Karen Stark, I've
26:27
Speaker 2: set it up for you with me as a psychologist.
26:30
Speaker 2: Karen Stark at Karenstark dot com. That's Karen with a
26:33
Speaker 2: CEA in case you need her. Karen number one, Who
26:38
Speaker 2: is this guy? Except I hope about to enter death row?
26:43
Speaker 2: But who are these people that kept letting him off
26:47
Speaker 2: over and over and over.
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Speaker 12: It's impossible to understand how he was able to get
26:53
Speaker 12: away with this. It just doesn't make any sense. He
26:56
Speaker 12: is a psychopath. There was no surprise at all that
27:00
Speaker 12: he was out there and committing these crimes and after
27:05
Speaker 12: young girls. And he's a walking advertisement with those tattoos.
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Speaker 12: He's telling you.
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Speaker 3: Who he is.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I know all that, no offense, Karen, Sorry, I
27:15
Speaker 2: know all that. I can see all that. I'm asking
27:18
Speaker 2: you what is he psychologically?
27:20
Speaker 3: Who is he?
27:21
Speaker 2: And how is he managed to sharp people to let
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Speaker 2: him into their lives?
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Speaker 12: Nancy a textbook case of a psychopathy, has no conscience.
27:29
Speaker 12: He could be out there eating a whole meal after
27:33
Speaker 12: he killed her, And yes, you're right, there's no doubt
27:36
Speaker 12: in my mind that he sexually assaulted her, that he
27:39
Speaker 12: probably raped this little eleven year old, and he does
27:44
Speaker 12: not have a conscience, just like Mark said, So it
27:47
Speaker 12: doesn't mean a thing to him. He could be out
27:49
Speaker 12: there and then do it again and again and again,
27:52
Speaker 12: and it just is shocking. I don't have an answer
27:56
Speaker 12: for why he kept getting off and being.
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Speaker 3: Allowed to be out there.
28:00
Speaker 12: Addition to which, why was he living on the property.
28:04
Speaker 12: How could somebody not see with the way that he
28:08
Speaker 12: presented himself that he was a danger to this little
28:12
Speaker 12: girl and should never have been around here.
28:15
Speaker 2: Bob Price joining me, Associate editor, senior news contributor bright Bart.
28:20
Speaker 2: You can find it a brightbart dot com. Bob Price, again,
28:23
Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. I understand that Audrey's
28:27
Speaker 2: body was lodged on something underneath a bridge.
28:32
Speaker 3: Is that correct?
28:33
Speaker 5: Yes, yesterday I was down there by the river, and
28:35
Speaker 5: I noticed a large number of uniformed practical police officers
28:42
Speaker 5: in the area. There were boats in the area, probably
28:44
Speaker 5: thirty to forty people right in that one area where
28:47
Speaker 5: the body was found. And that is unusual based on
28:50
Speaker 5: what the previous day's activity had been at those locations.
28:54
Speaker 5: So clearly, sometimes Sunday night, or excuping that Sunday night,
28:58
Speaker 5: these days are running together now Tuesday night, Monday night.
29:02
Speaker 5: Excuse me, the Ecuroshearch people, we believe discovered using their
29:06
Speaker 5: sonar discovered that her body was lodged down there. The
29:11
Speaker 5: currents were too strong at that point in time to
29:15
Speaker 5: get her out, and so the police were there to
29:18
Speaker 5: secure that area. Later on Tuesday, they declared it to
29:21
Speaker 5: be a crime scene. As of this morning, we have
29:24
Speaker 5: an update that District Attorney Shelley Sitton has now filed
29:28
Speaker 5: the capital murder charges against Donald Don Stephen McDougall. And
29:34
Speaker 5: this is not the only child he was hanging around
29:36
Speaker 5: with in recent months. There's another little girl who's a
29:40
Speaker 5: friend of Audrey's. Audrey went to her birthday party, and
29:43
Speaker 5: Stephen McDougall thinks that going to eleven year old girl's
29:47
Speaker 5: birthday parties is a cool thing to do. And these parents,
29:50
Speaker 5: who obviously know who this guy is, I think it's
29:53
Speaker 5: okay for this neo Nazi Aryan Nation hate group can
30:00
Speaker 5: catch it. I can't even describe all this stuff, you know,
30:03
Speaker 5: for them to bring this thug, this animal to their
30:09
Speaker 5: children's birthday party.
30:10
Speaker 2: You know, I'm thinking back Atlanta, Shadwick, I want to
30:13
Speaker 2: hear your thoughts on this. I remember when the twins
30:14
Speaker 2: were born, they were very premature, and we have a
30:17
Speaker 2: relative who's perfectly nice, but he smokes. I wouldn't even
30:23
Speaker 2: let him come in and visit the twins because he smoked,
30:27
Speaker 2: and I didn't want. You know, nicotine can trigger sudden
30:30
Speaker 2: infant death syndrome and it hurt me to do it. Oh,
30:35
Speaker 2: I love him, but he couldn't come in. So how
30:40
Speaker 2: in the hell do you let a Nazi Arian brother
30:45
Speaker 2: around your children.
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Speaker 9: Well, there's there's two theories to that, not taking up
30:49
Speaker 9: for him or anything like that.
30:50
Speaker 10: But there's a.
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Speaker 13: Social media video post of an individual who's had altercations
30:57
Speaker 13: with McDougall, and she's said he's charming, he.
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Speaker 8: Works you, you wouldn't believe anything.
31:06
Speaker 9: And then boom and she.
31:08
Speaker 8: Was in the car within he took a cell phone
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Speaker 8: away from her.
31:11
Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa, wha, whoa whoa Wait wait wait, drinking from
31:14
Speaker 2: the fire Roger first, Eli, Brian the third tells me
31:17
Speaker 2: about this guy coming at him with a knife. Nothing happened,
31:21
Speaker 2: He walked right out of jail. Then I find out
31:24
Speaker 2: he's trying to send we believe, pena shots to little girls.
31:28
Speaker 3: Now that, well, what happened with the woman in the car?
31:32
Speaker 3: Why did he take away her cell phone?
31:33
Speaker 8: I do not know.
31:35
Speaker 9: She knew she was in trouble, but she I don't
31:38
Speaker 9: believe charges were filed. I don't believe she went to
31:40
Speaker 9: the authorities.
31:41
Speaker 8: But she's talking.
31:42
Speaker 3: Now, Why would he take away her cell phone?
31:46
Speaker 12: That's not good, but you can't use it to call
31:50
Speaker 12: for help.
31:51
Speaker 2: Okay, just having hard time taking all of this in.
31:55
Speaker 2: I want to talk about also the brilliance of how
32:00
Speaker 2: they lowered the water in this entire body of water
32:07
Speaker 2: to reach the child.
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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace.
32:27
Speaker 2: Joining me, is he's been very quiet, which is uncharacteristic.
32:31
Speaker 2: Chris McDonough, director Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective, a
32:36
Speaker 2: host of a YouTube channel. The interview Room where I
32:39
Speaker 2: found him. Chris McDonough, I've done a lot of water
32:43
Speaker 2: searches and diving myself, but I've never seen a body,
32:48
Speaker 2: an entire body of water lowered, the water level lowered
32:53
Speaker 2: to get to the victim. Tell me how it's done, because.
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Speaker 6: You have you know, that was a great investigative move
33:01
Speaker 6: by law enforcement in this case, by working with the
33:03
Speaker 6: Trinity River Authority engineers and basically as we're where, there's
33:09
Speaker 6: a reservoir above and so what they do is they
33:12
Speaker 6: close the what they're called lockgates, which controls the flow
33:16
Speaker 6: of water downstream because everybody knows water goes in one
33:20
Speaker 6: particular direction, and that, in of itself then opened up
33:25
Speaker 6: an opportunity for the search forensic diving teams. Maybe they
33:30
Speaker 6: got dogs on boats where sometimes you can get the scent.
33:35
Speaker 2: And remember everybody, dogs can smell your scent, your clothes,
33:42
Speaker 2: a dead body, you name it, even in water.
33:47
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Chris, yes, ma'am.
33:48
Speaker 6: And so whenever you have a body dump into water,
33:53
Speaker 6: there are a lot of considerations from an investigative aspect
33:57
Speaker 6: have to be taken place almost immediately. The first one
34:01
Speaker 6: question I want to know is did she have Was
34:05
Speaker 6: she alive when she went into the water.
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Speaker 2: Oh, dear Lord in heaven, why don't you make me
34:10
Speaker 2: think about that.
34:11
Speaker 3: I haven't even considered that.
34:14
Speaker 2: To doctor Kindle Crowns, let's follow up on what Chris
34:16
Speaker 2: mc dunna just said, Crown's chief medical Examiner, Tyrant County.
34:21
Speaker 2: This jurisdiction, Texas, Doctor Kettle, Crown's in a nutshell, no
34:26
Speaker 2: Latin phrases, no medical terms. How do you determine if
34:31
Speaker 2: this child was alive when she was put in the water.
34:34
Speaker 11: So usually when an individual drowned, there will be changes
34:37
Speaker 11: in the body that she can find, which includes fluid
34:42
Speaker 11: on the lung called pomery dima. They will often swallow
34:46
Speaker 11: a lot of water into their stomach, so you look
34:49
Speaker 11: for that. Those two are the main criteria for looking
34:52
Speaker 11: for a drowning.
34:53
Speaker 2: You're saying, doctor kill crowns to tell somebody drowned alive.
34:57
Speaker 2: They're putting the water alive. You'd find pull edema. I
35:01
Speaker 2: thought that was water around the heart, water.
35:03
Speaker 11: Around the heart of the in the paracrdial sects of
35:07
Speaker 11: spects surrounding the heart. That you wouldn't see any water
35:10
Speaker 11: in the heart. You'd see water in the.
35:11
Speaker 2: Lung, water or fluid. You mean lake water, late water,
35:15
Speaker 2: lake water? Okay, just question, why did you say sh'ld
35:19
Speaker 2: have pulmonary edema? A what is that too? When you
35:23
Speaker 2: go so easily said she'd have late water in her lungs?
35:26
Speaker 11: Well, because if you're alive and you're thrown into the water,
35:29
Speaker 11: when you're alive, you'll be gasping and inhaling the water,
35:33
Speaker 11: so you would pull that into your lungs and into
35:35
Speaker 11: your stomach or into your airways and into your stomach.
35:38
Speaker 11: You would find that in the autopsy.
35:41
Speaker 2: How do you examine the lungs to determine there's water
35:44
Speaker 2: and how do you well, I mean too into steal
35:48
Speaker 2: equals four. How do you determine that water was from
35:50
Speaker 2: the lake or do you really even have to?
35:52
Speaker 11: So you can do it with the autopsy, the lungs
35:55
Speaker 11: will be heavy and full of fluid. And then on
35:58
Speaker 11: histology or microscopic examination, you can look for debris from
36:03
Speaker 11: the lake water in the ways.
36:05
Speaker 3: Yes, debris from the lake water.
36:08
Speaker 2: How do you get the water in any debris therein
36:13
Speaker 2: out of the lungs in order to analyze.
36:15
Speaker 11: It, Well, you wouldn't get it out. You would actually
36:17
Speaker 11: take sections of the lung at autopsy that then would
36:21
Speaker 11: be processed and turned into microscopic sections to look out
36:24
Speaker 11: under the microscope, and that debris would still be there
36:28
Speaker 11: because it would be entrapped in the airways.
36:30
Speaker 2: Bob Price joining me, investigative reporter, Associate editor, SI Needs,
36:34
Speaker 2: contributor Breitbart, Bob, I know that there was a recreational lake.
36:41
Speaker 2: Is she found in the lake or is she found
36:44
Speaker 2: in the river that feeds into and out of the lake.
36:48
Speaker 5: So, Lake Livingston is the second largest lake in Texas,
36:51
Speaker 5: and she was found below the dam in the Trinity River.
36:55
Speaker 5: The lake is a contributing waterway to the the Trinity River,
37:01
Speaker 5: about five miles downstream from where the dam is and
37:04
Speaker 5: from where the backpack was found. So it's still unclear
37:08
Speaker 5: at this time if she entered the water or was
37:10
Speaker 5: placed in the water near the dam and floated downstream
37:13
Speaker 5: and became entangled in the bulk in the pilings of
37:17
Speaker 5: the bridge, or if McDougall, because he said he went
37:21
Speaker 5: to that bridge that day that area, did McDougall place
37:25
Speaker 5: her there and trap her in that area where her
37:28
Speaker 5: body would, hopefully on his part, never be found. Those
37:31
Speaker 5: are the questions that we still need to get from
37:33
Speaker 5: the District Attorney's offices this investigation unfold.
37:36
Speaker 2: Mark Class joining me, founder of Class Kids Foundation class
37:40
Speaker 2: Kids dot org. Mark, let me talk to you about
37:43
Speaker 2: the defendant. You've dealt with so many child killers. Do
37:51
Speaker 2: you think this guy intentionally put her in the river
37:54
Speaker 2: so her body would travel far from the disposal spot?
38:00
Speaker 2: I do.
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Speaker 7: I mean, I think he was trying to disappear her.
38:02
Speaker 7: I don't think there's any question about that. But I
38:05
Speaker 7: wonder listening to this guy's history and listening to what
38:09
Speaker 7: this guy's been allowed to do. If this little girl
38:12
Speaker 7: ever had a chance. I mean, the minute this guy
38:15
Speaker 7: stepped on that property and was allowed to stay on
38:19
Speaker 7: the property, I think that this child was doomed. And
38:22
Speaker 7: I think that the supervising adults around her should have
38:25
Speaker 7: understood and realized that, and they didn't. They failed their
38:29
Speaker 7: child in the worst possible way. It's absolutely unbelievable. Who
38:34
Speaker 7: lets a Neil Nazi live on your property? A neo
38:37
Speaker 7: Nazi lets a Neil Nazi live on their property, particularly
38:42
Speaker 7: somebody that's got the uniform that proudly wears the swasti,
38:45
Speaker 7: because that proudly carries his criminal history that looks forward
38:50
Speaker 7: to Mayhem and more Mayhem. And it's always escalating, Nancy,
38:54
Speaker 7: these things always escalate. And at the end, and we've
38:57
Speaker 7: talked about this hundreds of times, at the end, there's
39:00
Speaker 7: a dead little girl or a dead little boy and
39:03
Speaker 7: we all go, well, gee, how could this have happened? Well,
39:06
Speaker 7: sometimes it's inevitable, you.
39:07
Speaker 2: Know, Mark, You're right, inevitable. I feel like Audrey never
39:14
Speaker 2: had a chance. I want to go back to Atlanta.
39:18
Speaker 2: Shadwick joining us former judge, prosecutor now lawyer in this jurisdiction, Livingston, Texas.
39:25
Speaker 3: What now, Alanta, I mean, will anybody ever fess up?
39:30
Speaker 2: Yeah? I gave him a cheap deal. Yeah, I didn't prosecute. Yeah,
39:35
Speaker 2: we didn't indict him. I mean, there's one thing after
39:38
Speaker 2: the next, one offense after the next. This guy, for
39:42
Speaker 2: Pete's sake, is using meth math of all things.
39:46
Speaker 8: Well, the Pole County District Attorney filed capital murder charges
39:51
Speaker 8: on McDougall.
39:53
Speaker 9: And that was yesterday.
39:55
Speaker 8: He has no bond right now, and she's charged him
39:58
Speaker 8: with capital murder because it involves a child ten years
40:04
Speaker 8: to fifteen years old. So there's been something done about
40:09
Speaker 8: this now.
40:10
Speaker 2: But if he had been prosecuted for sending penis pictures
40:13
Speaker 2: we think lude photos to little girls, or if his
40:17
Speaker 2: case hadn't been played down to nothing when he wrestled
40:21
Speaker 2: the underwear and pj's off another little girl, he would
40:25
Speaker 2: have been in jail and ought you to be alive today.
40:29
Speaker 2: He would have been in daddy's camper in the backyard
40:31
Speaker 2: for Pete's sake.
40:32
Speaker 8: If he had been arrested in August for that aggravated
40:35
Speaker 8: assault with a deadly weapon and who gave the.
40:41
Speaker 7: Father or the grandmother.
40:44
Speaker 9: Custody of this child, such that they're friends with McDougall.
40:50
Speaker 9: And this is who you're gonna lack pick up your
40:52
Speaker 9: daughter from the bus stop, or take her to the
40:56
Speaker 9: bus stop, or take her to school.
40:58
Speaker 2: You know, how do you reconcile your Mark Chris McDonough
41:03
Speaker 2: to the fact that the only thing we can do
41:06
Speaker 2: now is get justice for this little girl. That's the
41:10
Speaker 2: only thing left to do. She's not going to go
41:12
Speaker 2: to high school. She's not going to go to Senior Prime.
41:15
Speaker 2: She's not going to play basketball or softball for the school.
41:19
Speaker 2: She's not going to be a cheerleader. She's not going
41:22
Speaker 2: to college. She's not going to marry and have children.
41:24
Speaker 2: It's over, and she died a horrible death, and her
41:28
Speaker 2: body is thrown in the cold, cold waters of a
41:32
Speaker 2: running river, and all we're left with are pictures on
41:37
Speaker 2: Facebook and a courtroom. We got to feel with the
41:40
Speaker 2: jury and get the death penalty. That's what we're gonna do.
41:44
Speaker 2: Final thoughts Mark class Well.
41:46
Speaker 7: Yeah, man, the death penalty hopefully ensures that this guy
41:49
Speaker 7: will never get out of prison again. That's why the
41:51
Speaker 7: death penalty needs to exist. There has to be a
41:54
Speaker 7: line drawn in the sand to keep these guys, maybe
41:58
Speaker 7: not into the execution house, but at least out of
42:02
Speaker 7: society and keep them someplace isolated and segregated where they
42:07
Speaker 7: can never touch another innocent human being. It's the only
42:10
Speaker 7: way to create public safety in a situation like this.
42:14
Speaker 10: Absolutely, situation is really oh.
42:17
Speaker 8: Death or life without parole, that's another option or life
42:21
Speaker 8: not really?
42:22
Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, My life without parole changes all
42:27
Speaker 7: the time, laws changed all the time. It's a situation
42:30
Speaker 7: in California now where a lot of people that are
42:33
Speaker 7: on death row might be getting resentenced.
42:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, do I have to say Charles Manson, he got
42:39
Speaker 2: the DP Remember Mark, he got the death penalty from
42:43
Speaker 2: how many people did he help kill? And then the
42:46
Speaker 2: law changed and he had the rest of his rotten
42:50
Speaker 2: life to have online friends, women wanting to have sex
42:55
Speaker 2: with him, a website making money.
42:59
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah.
43:02
Speaker 2: That's what happens on Life without Parole and the disciple.
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Speaker 7: That is willing to try to assassinate a president of
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Speaker 7: the United States to impress him. These guys are so
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Speaker 7: dastardly and so awful they have to be on death roll.
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Speaker 7: They have to be cut off society from society otherwise
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Speaker 7: they continue to have an influence.
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Speaker 2: Look, this is what I've got to say, and a
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Speaker 2: lot of people aren't going to like it. But it's
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Speaker 2: on you. Every prosecutor that let him off easy. It
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Speaker 2: took a cheap please so you wouldn't have to go
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Speaker 2: to trial. Everybody who didn't call police, Not you, Brian
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Speaker 2: the third.
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Speaker 3: Because you call police, you tried to do something.
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Speaker 10: It's my fault too, Dacy. I should have pulled the
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Speaker 10: trigger that night.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you at least got a piece of him with
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Speaker 2: the gun butt friend, Wow, and you call police.
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Speaker 10: That's not enough.
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Speaker 2: Everybody that didn't put him in jail, everybody that turned
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Speaker 2: the other way, everybody that exposed this nazi set perfect
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Speaker 2: to their children.
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Speaker 3: It's on you. We wait as just as unfals. Goodbye, friend,