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DIDDY 'MILE HIGH CLUB' RAKES IN $4 MILLION · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Has the public been dignified?
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Speaker 2: Man on the streets reveal overwhelming sentiments that the beatings,
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Speaker 2: the bribes, the gun threats, the arson, it's all just
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Speaker 2: a bad relationship between Combs and Cassie Ventura.
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Speaker 1: Are they crazy? This as we.
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Speaker 2: Learned, Shawn Combs rakes in over four million dollars since
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Speaker 2: his arrest. How, I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us. How in the hay
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Speaker 2: is Shawn Cobs raking in over four million dollars since
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Speaker 2: his arrest? Now he heard about a money making scheme
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Speaker 2: with Kanye and saw that horrible video of him with
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Speaker 2: the titanium teeth.
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Speaker 1: Drooling in the dentist share But it's not that.
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Speaker 2: But to the courtroom, joining us an all star panel
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Speaker 2: to make sense of what we know.
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Speaker 1: Now, it has been a long day.
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Speaker 2: In the courtroom. Straight out to Harmonia Rodriguez. She is
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Speaker 2: the chief US reporter with dailymail dot com podcast titled
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Speaker 2: The Trial of Ditty, in which she starts.
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Speaker 1: Her money and thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: First thing this morning we saw a videographer expert on
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Speaker 2: the stand.
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Speaker 1: What was the point right today?
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Speaker 3: First thing, in the morning. A video expert, his name
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Speaker 3: is Frank Piazza, took the stand for the prosecution and
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Speaker 3: he said he analyzed cell phone footage, surveillance footage, and
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Speaker 3: also sex videos. On the stand, he's basically giving these
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Speaker 3: videos legitimacy because as we know, Didty's attorneys, particularly with
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Speaker 3: the LA assault twenty sixteen video, they have suggested and
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Speaker 3: put the idea out there that these videos have been
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Speaker 3: edited by CNN, they have been sped up. So this
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Speaker 3: expert was basically there to tell the jury this video
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Speaker 3: is are legitimate, they have not been messed with, and
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Speaker 3: you should trust them.
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Speaker 2: Essentially, you know from the get go straight out to
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Speaker 2: Greg Morse, joining US veteran criminal defense attorney. He is
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Speaker 2: the lead partner at Morse Legal and author of the
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Speaker 2: Untested on Amazon. Greg Morse, I believe there was a
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Speaker 2: time that you suggested that the Frea Coff videos were
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Speaker 2: a myth, that they were lore, that they didn't exist. Well,
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Speaker 2: buckle your seat belt because this expert on the stand
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Speaker 2: that Harmonia just described is laying the foundation. What does
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Speaker 2: that mean whenever you bring in a video and audio recording,
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Speaker 2: really any piece of physical evidence at allbeit drugs or
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Speaker 2: a picture or an article of clothing. You have to
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Speaker 2: lay the foundation. I can't just go in and go hey, Judge,
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Speaker 2: can I bring in these notes?
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Speaker 1: No, you have to say.
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Speaker 2: You have to have a witness under oath to say
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Speaker 2: what is the object? What is the exhibit? Where did
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Speaker 2: it come from? What's the chain of custody? I haven't
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Speaker 2: been leaving it out on Third Avenue in downtown Manhattan where.
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Speaker 1: Anybody could change it.
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Speaker 2: You've got to show that hasn't been tampered with, and
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Speaker 2: the chain of custody, who's held it, who's been in
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Speaker 2: charge of it, is complete. There's not a break in
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Speaker 2: the chain and what it purports to be that gives
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Speaker 2: the other side a chance to object on any of
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Speaker 2: those grounds.
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Speaker 1: So it's happening, Morse.
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Speaker 2: This is the beginning of the admission into evidence of
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Speaker 2: the freak Off tapes, which you at one time said
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Speaker 2: was just a myth that they didn't really exist, as
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Speaker 2: if it didn't happen, Yes you did.
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Speaker 4: Well, okay, they can introduce the freak Off videos again.
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Speaker 4: It doesn't mean sex trafficking and rico happened here, and
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Speaker 4: testimony yesterday shows that from victim number two so they
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Speaker 4: can introduce these videos. A lot of people want to
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Speaker 4: keep their sex lifes. It uh doctors, lawyers, famous people,
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Speaker 4: these things are not doesn't move the needle to sex
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Speaker 4: trafficking yet. So they can introduce all the videos they want.
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Speaker 4: But their core of their indictment is centered around the
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Speaker 4: domestic abuse video where Miss Ventura is being beaten in
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Speaker 4: that hotel lobby or hallway by P Diddy. But so
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Speaker 4: the freak off videos are going to come in. When
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Speaker 4: are we're going to hear about young people? Whenever we're
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Speaker 4: going to hear about drugged people.
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Speaker 1: I know what you're doing. I know what you're doing.
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Speaker 2: First of all, you said, I don't know if these
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Speaker 2: free cofts really happened, and if they did happen, there's
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Speaker 2: not a video. Now we've heard testimony about the free
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Speaker 2: coughs and we're laying the foundation right now. The state
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Speaker 2: is to introduce those freak off videos. Didn't you just
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Speaker 2: hear Harmonia Rodriguez say this expert says he is an
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Speaker 2: expert in is going to address cell phone videos, surveillance videos,
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Speaker 2: that's the intercontinental beat town and sex tapes.
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Speaker 1: What other sex tape? It's got to be the Frea coughs.
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Speaker 2: They're coming in to evidence and from what I understand,
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Speaker 2: straight out to Sydney Sumner joining US Crime Stories investigative
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Speaker 2: reporter on the case from the beginning, Like Harmonia, Sydney,
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Speaker 2: these are not all consenting adults and engaging in an
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Speaker 2: orgy or group sex. I guess the new term would
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Speaker 2: be polyamorous. That's not what the state is alleging, Sydney.
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Speaker 5: Absolutely not Nancy. They're alleging that these women or men
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Speaker 5: or all participants who may or may not have been adults.
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Speaker 5: We've seen many minor allegations come out in lawsuits, but
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Speaker 5: SDNY is not specifically arguing that Colme's targeted miners. Anyways.
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Speaker 5: The state, the government is claiming that these victims were
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Speaker 5: co worced in one way, shape or another, whether that
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Speaker 5: was by financial control, blackmail, the threat or follow through
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Speaker 5: of physical violence. Paulms used Wardon to get what he
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Speaker 5: wanted to get, these sex parties, these freak offs. This
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Speaker 5: was not something that somebody wanted and actively was interested
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Speaker 5: in doing.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Greg Morse, I don't know, are you deaf,
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Speaker 2: dumb and blind? Didn't you hear the testimony that when
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Speaker 2: Cassie Ventura was getting beaten in the hallway of the
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Speaker 2: Intercontinental and dragged back.
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Speaker 1: It was dragged back to a room.
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Speaker 2: Where she was being coerced into having sex with a
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Speaker 2: sex worker, and she was trying to run away making
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Speaker 2: up testimony matual sex.
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Speaker 4: All you're doing is making up testimony. I I'm right,
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Speaker 4: That's what I am. Because so far the prosecution hasn't
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Speaker 4: produced any testimony that says victim number one or victim
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Speaker 4: number two were coerce or forced or through fraud. This
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Speaker 4: is you know, people made choices in this situation from
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Speaker 4: their own mouth. Miss Ventura testified from her own mouth. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: I didn't always like the freak offs, but I did them.
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Speaker 4: You had another witness, Okay, Miss Ventor paid me for
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Speaker 4: the freak off. Again, things are being shoved in under
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Speaker 4: a criminal indictment to things that people do. We may
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Speaker 4: look at it and say, I would never do that.
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Speaker 4: I want to be inoved in that. But she viewed
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Speaker 4: the edge of people.
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Speaker 2: Sidney Summer joining us from crime stories, Sydney. Isn't it
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Speaker 2: true that cas Eventior testified that she was being dragged
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Speaker 2: back to the room and what was happening in the
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Speaker 2: room Number one and number two, isn't it true when
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Speaker 2: the security guard who we see in the video went
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Speaker 2: back to the room, he sees another guy in there,
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Speaker 2: that's the sex worker.
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Speaker 5: That's correct, Nancy. So that's what we heard from Israel,
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Speaker 5: Forrest and Kaffy about that situation. Morez claimed that there
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Speaker 5: was another man in the room, and he didn't make
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Speaker 5: any note of that man being in the room because
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Speaker 5: he was not directly involved in Sean Comb's in Cassy's altercation,
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Speaker 5: So he left that out of his incident reports about
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Speaker 5: the situation because he was irrelevant at the time. But
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Speaker 5: now coming back to testimony, combined with what Cassy Ventura
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Speaker 5: said on the stand, that becomes incredibly important because it
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Speaker 5: backs up the fact that she said she was running
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Speaker 5: away from a freak off.
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Speaker 2: So Morris, do you think Sidney Sumner, she doesn't have
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Speaker 2: a dog in the fight and his skin in the game,
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Speaker 2: you think she's lying?
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Speaker 1: Hold on.
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Speaker 2: Harmonia Rodriguez is with us from Daily Mail, the biggest
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Speaker 2: website in the world for news. Harmonia, isn't it true
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Speaker 2: that Cassie Ventura stated she was dragged back into that room.
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Speaker 2: She did not want to have sex with the other guy?
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Speaker 1: Correct?
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Speaker 3: Not only in that is incident, was not the only
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Speaker 3: time that she said she was dragged back by Ditty. Securities,
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Speaker 3: particularly someone by the name of de Rock has been
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Speaker 3: mentioned a lot Christina Koram people. Even when she actually
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Speaker 3: managed to get away, Ditty's employees would call her and
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Speaker 3: try to convince her to come back. She also said
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Speaker 3: she was threatened that the sex videos would be released.
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Speaker 3: These are all claims by Cassie that the prosecution is
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Speaker 3: using to back up the sex trafficking claims.
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Speaker 2: So, Greg Morre, do you think it's just a big
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Speaker 2: conspiracy between me and Sidney Sumner and Harmonia Rodriguez. In fact,
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Speaker 2: you know, I think the Daily Meal may be behind
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Speaker 2: it too. We're all trying to trick you about Cassie
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Speaker 2: Ventiro's testimony.
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Speaker 1: I said she was.
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Speaker 2: Dragged back into that room to have non consensual sex
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Speaker 2: with a sex workerrent.
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Speaker 4: So to gives inconsistent statements. There's a conflict in the evidence,
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Speaker 4: clearly because she said it was consensual many times, and
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Speaker 4: when the jury is charged at the end of it
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Speaker 4: still told Nancy, you know they're going to be told
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Speaker 4: what reasonable doubt is conflicting the evidence?
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Speaker 2: Yes, I know that's testimony. You know what Pat is, Mike,
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Speaker 2: I can't take it anymore. That was not her testimony.
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Speaker 2: Let Greg Morris sit in the corner and think about
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Speaker 2: what he has done to doctor Bethany Marshall.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, when you see.
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Speaker 2: What the man on the streets are saying, what people
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Speaker 2: are actually saying.
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Speaker 1: It's just like Greg Morre's. She didn't say that. That
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Speaker 1: didn't happen.
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Speaker 2: And another thing regarding consensual sex, being drugged out of
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Speaker 2: your gourd does not consent.
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Speaker 1: Mate.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us renowned psychoalyst out of the
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Speaker 2: Beverly Hills jurisdiction. She is the author of deal Breaker.
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Speaker 2: You can see her now on Peacock and you can
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Speaker 2: find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Hit at Bethany,
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Speaker 2: that is not consent.
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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, but this idea that Cassie and Mia and
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Speaker 6: all of these men consented is stupid and naive. It
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Speaker 6: speaks to a deeply sexist society. And I'm sorry, Greg,
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Speaker 6: but your comments are so sexist they do not reflect
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Speaker 6: the reality of the situation, and that is that these
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Speaker 6: women were terrified, they were stripped of their resources when
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Speaker 6: they wrote anything positive in a text or email towards sheep.
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Speaker 6: P didty is because they were placating him. They were
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Speaker 6: terrified he would give them things and then take them away.
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Speaker 6: He blackmailed Cassy Ventura's own parents. They mortgaged their house
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Speaker 6: to the tune of twenty thousand dollars to protect their daughter.
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Speaker 6: They sent the twenty thousand dollars and then piece Ditty's
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Speaker 6: people sent it back. This is such such evidence of
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Speaker 6: the fact of coercion of sex slavery. It may it
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Speaker 6: may be on a more dramatic, wealthy level, but this
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Speaker 6: is no different from twelve year olds on the street
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Speaker 6: who feel like they cannot get away from their captors.
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Speaker 1: Why are you rolling your eyes, Greg Morris? Because I
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Speaker 1: saw that again.
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Speaker 4: You're You're all you're doing is.
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Speaker 1: Hey, you really really beat off isolating.
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Speaker 4: You're isolating minor parts of testimony. Let's talk about me
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Speaker 4: as testimony. The only thing she was general.
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Speaker 1: Wight about you said.
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Speaker 2: Went back into that hotel room willingly for consensual sex.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you are a lying eyes for feat's sake,
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Speaker 2: Drag back, Nancy.
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Speaker 4: You're simply isolating testimony and chet taking in earth.
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Speaker 1: It's not one it's not one. That's the point. There
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Speaker 1: isn't just one.
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Speaker 2: Mia.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So you're telling me when.
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Speaker 4: You're negotiating your severance you were sexually assaulted in sex traffic.
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Speaker 1: You don't bring that talking. Continue to text it. I'm talking.
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Speaker 7: You can't.
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Speaker 2: You say, hey, don't listen to look over here, don't
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Speaker 2: listen to the facts aren't real.
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Speaker 1: And that's what's happening, But not sex Now.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany's and on the big conspiracy to hoodwink great.
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Speaker 1: Hearing it. Why won't it go away?
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Speaker 2: Executive director of Surviving Assault Standing Strong. It is a
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Speaker 2: nonprofit to eradicate sex abuse and trafficking.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Brett, see what I mean.
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Speaker 2: It's like, you know, the myth of the poor guy
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Speaker 2: pushing the rock, the huge rock up the hill, and
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Speaker 2: he gets to the top and it rolls back down.
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Speaker 1: That is his sentence for life.
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Speaker 2: He's got to go back down to the bottom of
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Speaker 2: the hill and push the rock back up the hill,
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Speaker 2: this huge boulder and he gets it to the top
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Speaker 2: of the hill and it rolls back down again. That's
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Speaker 2: what I feel like right now talking about sex abuse,
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Speaker 2: rape free costs.
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Speaker 1: What happened to Cassie.
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Speaker 2: I mean, think about it, time after time after time
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Speaker 2: being forced and coerced or else you're gonna get beaten,
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Speaker 2: or else you're gonna lose your job, or I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: take your place, your car, your watch, your cell phone.
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Speaker 2: Now get back in there. I mean the stigma attached
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Speaker 2: to rape victims and what people are saying about these ladies.
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Speaker 2: It's a never ending battle. Every night, I'm pushing that
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Speaker 2: back up the hill. Why is it so difficult for
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Speaker 2: people to accept these women were forced into free coughs?
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Speaker 8: Well, I think Greg did a great job of representing
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Speaker 8: that side of things by calling Cassie Ventura a minor
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Speaker 8: piece of testimony when you are talking about a full
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Speaker 8: human being, and he took all that and boiled it
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Speaker 8: down and called it a minor piece of testimony. Women
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Speaker 8: are crucified for not coming forward immediately, and people say,
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Speaker 8: if it was really that bad, why didn't you say anything?
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Speaker 8: But when they do, people say, well, that's just a
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Speaker 8: minor thing. This was just a bad relationship. So they're
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Speaker 8: in a lose lose situation when they're on their own.
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Speaker 8: And so the fact that there is some support and
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Speaker 8: you've got person after person coming forward and saying, I'm
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Speaker 8: living in this cycle a force, fraud and coercion, and
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Speaker 8: so I did what I had to do to stay alive.
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Speaker 8: I'm not sure what's so hard to understand about that.
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Speaker 8: I think the only thing that we can truly extrapolate
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Speaker 8: is they're scene is less than human.
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Speaker 1: He's talking about you again, Morse, and again.
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Speaker 4: Everybody forgets this is a court of law. This is
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Speaker 4: not something we're talking about on some gossip show. The
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Speaker 4: prosecution has to prove elements again. Sex traffic victims, You're
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Speaker 4: missing the key element here.
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Speaker 1: They tend to.
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Speaker 4: Be one locked into where they are. I've had the cases.
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Speaker 4: The locks are backwards. If someone escapes the window, they're harmed.
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Speaker 4: None of that happened here, That's all anyone is saying.
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Speaker 4: That's looking at the testimony.
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Speaker 1: Some of them were harmed.
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Speaker 2: Could you show him the shoved of that gash on
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Speaker 2: Cassie traffic. None of them were harm you hear mestimying
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Speaker 2: about he shoved her and hit her.
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Speaker 1: Testimony her arm please me.
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Speaker 4: A's testimony was I'm upset that I didn't get please.
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Speaker 9: The main parts of her testimony were without details, without
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Speaker 9: it wasn't a thousand dollars. You read, you read to me.
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Speaker 1: If nothing has happened, if.
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Speaker 4: You're mediating your severance, if you're media aiding your employment,
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Speaker 4: and you honestly believe you were sexually assaulted, don't think
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Speaker 4: you're going to bring it up at that time. This
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Speaker 4: is not delayed reporting. These are not I understand that completely.
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Speaker 2: Why do you come I'm trying, Cassie. How much did
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Speaker 2: you pay her twenty or thirty million.
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Speaker 1: Million? Okay to shut up? And paid Maya a half
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Speaker 1: a million dollars? Not you're talking to Okay? You know
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Speaker 1: what sade.
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Speaker 2: In one segment, traffic guy Tom Smith joining me, Thank
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Speaker 2: you Lord in Heaven for the Mike cutting power. Tom
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Speaker 2: Smith joining me for my NYPD detective thirty years on
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Speaker 2: the Street now, star of the gold Shields podcast. Can
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Speaker 2: you just be straight, cut through all the noise and
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Speaker 2: describe how rape victims are very often recalcitrant to come
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Speaker 2: forward or they won't come forward because they fear exactly
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Speaker 2: what's happening right now?
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Speaker 7: Well, you just said the word fear, fear, power, control.
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Speaker 7: It's a mind game, and that's what Diddy preyed on.
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Speaker 7: It does have to be physical, in which case in
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Speaker 7: some of the instances it was. It is about power
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Speaker 7: and control and making sure that he has them under
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Speaker 7: their thumb, whether it's their career, whether it's their safety,
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Speaker 7: whether it's anyone around their safety. This is a power
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Speaker 7: trip that Sean Comb's perpetrated to make people that normally
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Speaker 7: wann't participate in certain acts, forcing them to do that
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Speaker 7: through fear, control and power.
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Speaker 2: I want you to take a look at how the
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Speaker 2: public has been dittified, take a look look at what's
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Speaker 2: happening on TikTok.
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Speaker 5: What's up everybody.
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Speaker 8: I'm just want to come out and tell you, guys,
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Speaker 8: I believe Pete Diddy is innocent.
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Speaker 1: He is innocent.
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Speaker 7: They need to let this name go.
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Speaker 6: They need to let him free. He ain't got nothing
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Speaker 6: to do.
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Speaker 8: What what y'all talk about.
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Speaker 10: Well, one, we got to look at these women down here.
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Speaker 1: They're desperate.
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Speaker 8: They're desperate.
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Speaker 2: That's from Osra Ahmad on TikTok, Brett Brown. The resistance
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Speaker 2: to believing female victims is incredible, especially from women.
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Speaker 1: It is.
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Speaker 8: It's fascinating to me.
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Speaker 11: We see a pattern of two things. Either one from
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Speaker 11: people not being able to imagine that things like that
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Speaker 11: happen because we're actually really hopeful creatures and we want
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Speaker 11: the world to be better than it is. But then
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Speaker 11: for those who accept that these things happen, they always
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Speaker 11: say to themselves, oh, I would never do that, I
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Speaker 11: would never allow that to happen. But that is a
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Speaker 11: general lack of understanding the nature of abusive relationships and
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Speaker 11: the and the time that goes into building them before
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Speaker 11: the abuse ever starts. So really, when you see something
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Speaker 11: like that, there's of course the obvious kind of judgment
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Speaker 11: and hypocrisy from somebody with no understanding of what abuse
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Speaker 11: is about, but also just a general lack of information
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Speaker 11: of how these relationships play out and go from a
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Speaker 11: relationship straight to abuse.
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Speaker 2: Right, Okay, that's just a tiny taste of what is happening,
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Speaker 2: how the public has been dedified.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this so far. I'm not gonna lie to you.
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Speaker 1: It just sounds like a bad relationship to me.
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Speaker 4: Yes, d V Yes, terrible choice and how you treat
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Speaker 4: your partner.
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Speaker 2: That's from Taliche on TikTok.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Okay, doctor Bethany Marshall, help me out. I mean, if
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Speaker 2: women are not supporting the women victims, we're all screwed.
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Speaker 6: When these TikTokers watch the trial or whatever's leaking out
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Speaker 6: about the trial, they're going to either identify with the
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Speaker 6: perpetrator or the victim. That's what happens in trials like this.
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Speaker 6: Everybody picks their horse.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: Of course the TikTokers, we are showing we don't know
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Speaker 2: them and we know nothing about them. They haven't been
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Speaker 2: charged with anything except maybe not knowing what's going on
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Speaker 2: in the courtroom. Hey, let's watch another when we've seen
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Speaker 2: two women, got any men out there?
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Speaker 12: So people, how you feel about being about the deeding
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Speaker 12: watching cask recording?
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Speaker 6: I watched porn.
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Speaker 12: He was watching porn just live and he's probably make
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Speaker 12: a lot of money if he actually used those tapes.
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Speaker 4: And y'all all can.
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Speaker 2: Make some money, Okay, Greg Morris, that's at Bama Boy
21:51
Speaker 2: Roy to fifty one on TikTok. Did you see that
21:54
Speaker 2: look in his eyes when he goes I watched porn. Sure,
21:57
Speaker 2: and he's talking so much money Sean comes can make
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Speaker 2: by doing porn. I mean, I guess he's suggesting just
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Speaker 2: clicking on TV instead of what beating women into creating porn?
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Speaker 1: Is that what he's trying to say no.
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Speaker 4: Well, again, that's what you're doing. You're you're, you're, you're
22:12
Speaker 4: conflating a lot of different things here. These people aren't
22:15
Speaker 4: necessarily wrong with the testimony that they've heard, because this
22:19
Speaker 4: is not whether you're picking a side of Diddy or
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Speaker 4: Miss Ventura. This is did the facts support the charges
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Speaker 4: in a quarter of law beyond into the exclusion of
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Speaker 4: all reasonable doubts. But and the irony of that Alabama
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Speaker 4: video with the porn is that did he made all
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Speaker 4: his money with the artist singing in the background, Notorious Big.
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Speaker 4: That's why this isn't sex trafficking. That's why this isn't
22:44
Speaker 4: a rico. There's a real business here. And these people
22:47
Speaker 4: aren't necessarily wrong with the testimony they've heard. They're not
22:50
Speaker 4: this is there's crime.
22:51
Speaker 2: I don't mean they've heard any testimony. I don't think
22:54
Speaker 2: they've heard any testimony. The first person is saying it's
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Speaker 2: just a bad relationship.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's hear more pre Diddy from them.
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Speaker 10: Cassie charges, bro, this is a load of man.
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Speaker 5: Believe me.
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Speaker 10: Want to tell you can find a lot of stuff
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Speaker 10: out them into them on for men both. Cassie, we've
23:08
Speaker 10: got to leave that alone, because when I originally seen him,
23:11
Speaker 10: like your book and I'm put them under the prison, right,
23:13
Speaker 10: But then she took the money, she said, okay, so
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Speaker 10: she values money once she does justice.
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Speaker 2: Right now, that's at the bro Ski talks. Okay, doctor
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Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall, I believe he referred to the States case
23:25
Speaker 2: as a load of not a technical legal term.
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Speaker 1: So bottom line, they've all been didified. I pray to
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Speaker 1: God nobody like them is on the jury. See that's
23:37
Speaker 1: the thing.
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Speaker 2: These all look like fairly attractive people, normal people.
23:42
Speaker 1: Some of them are articulate.
23:44
Speaker 2: You could put them on the jury and not have
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Speaker 2: any idea what they're really thinking. Right now we are
23:49
Speaker 2: learning that apparently the public has been didified. So many
23:56
Speaker 2: people are not hearing what the witnesses are saying and
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Speaker 2: are convinced that this is all just about a bad
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Speaker 2: relationship between Shawncolmbs and Cassie Ventura.
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Speaker 1: There was a major outburst in the.
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Speaker 2: Courtroom, the kind of thing, the stuff that mistrials are
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Speaker 2: made of.
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Speaker 1: Thank Heaven, the jury.
24:20
Speaker 2: Wasn't there when this woman threw a fit and had
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Speaker 2: to be dragged out of the courtroom by armed guards.
24:26
Speaker 1: What happened straight out to her money. Rodriguez joining us
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Speaker 1: from Daily Mail. What happened? That's right, Nancy.
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Speaker 3: We had our first major disruption at the trial this
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Speaker 3: week when one of Didny's supporters started yelling in court, Diddy,
24:38
Speaker 3: they're laughing at you in every courtroom.
24:41
Speaker 1: That's not nice.
24:42
Speaker 3: Now, did he turned around and appeared to NodD along
24:45
Speaker 3: to what the woman was saying before the judge threw
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Speaker 3: her out. Now, this happened the same week that The
24:50
Speaker 3: Washington Post reported that in the overflow room, DIDNY supporters
24:54
Speaker 3: had been heckling witness testimony by alleged victim Mia and
24:59
Speaker 3: also egging on his lawyers, which, of course, this is
25:01
Speaker 3: not behavior that is usually allowed in overflow rooms and courtrooms.
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Speaker 2: Sidney Sumner joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter. What was
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Speaker 2: the woman screaming in court?
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Speaker 5: Nancy? It was all over the place. One of the
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Speaker 5: things that she said that set out there, these mf
25:18
Speaker 5: ers are laughing at you, Diddy. So she was supporting him.
25:23
Speaker 5: She felt like the media was making fun of him
25:27
Speaker 5: and is dragging him down, and maybe even that he's
25:31
Speaker 5: being wrongfully prosecuted in the first place. So Holmes's space
25:35
Speaker 5: completely dropped. He was very, very surprised by this. His
25:40
Speaker 5: job was on the floor as this was happening until
25:43
Speaker 5: she was removed from the courtroom.
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Speaker 2: You know, Greg Morris is veteran trial lawyer at Morse Legal.
25:50
Speaker 2: That is the stuff mistrials are made of. Any outburst
25:55
Speaker 2: in the courtroom, even though she was supporting Sean Comb's right,
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Speaker 2: crazy loud rant had been dragged out of the courtroom.
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Speaker 2: But any disturbance or outbursts like that in the courtroom
26:08
Speaker 2: can result in a mistrial.
26:10
Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen cases.
26:12
Speaker 2: Where jurors coming into the courthouse saw somebody holding up
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Speaker 2: a placard so and so's innocent, or so and so
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Speaker 2: did it, and that became grounds for a mistrial, much
26:23
Speaker 2: less an outburst right in.
26:25
Speaker 1: The courtroom with the jury.
26:26
Speaker 2: If the jury had been there, I guarantee you there
26:29
Speaker 2: would have been a motion for a mistrial.
26:30
Speaker 4: There would have been because the defense obviously looks for
26:33
Speaker 4: any opportunity to do that. And you're one hundred percent right,
26:36
Speaker 4: outbursts in the courtroom can really affect the trial. So now,
26:41
Speaker 4: usually when it happens once, the judge should get control
26:44
Speaker 4: of that and if he have to clear the courtroom
26:46
Speaker 4: for the rest of the trial. He has the grounds
26:47
Speaker 4: to do it now. It doesn't need to be open
26:49
Speaker 4: to the public. So he has a reason and he
26:51
Speaker 4: should because you don't want to waste the resources in
26:54
Speaker 4: time of this long in trial only to have to
26:57
Speaker 4: do it again. Those things can absolutely create a mistrial.
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Speaker 1: Well with that, I.
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Speaker 2: Agree with you on that, Greg Morris, because the defense
27:07
Speaker 2: has worked night and day, the state has worked night
27:10
Speaker 2: and day to present the case, and then with one
27:13
Speaker 2: unpredicted outburst, it's all down the shoot and you have
27:18
Speaker 2: to start all over, the jury.
27:20
Speaker 1: Selection, the everything.
27:22
Speaker 2: It's really bad for the state because the defense then
27:26
Speaker 2: has their exact playbook, everything they're going to do with
27:30
Speaker 2: each witness, and it gives them more yeah, more time
27:33
Speaker 2: to prepare cross exams, more time to beef up their
27:37
Speaker 2: response to those witnesses. Yes, at the beginning, the state
27:41
Speaker 2: has to hand over all the witnesses and in some
27:43
Speaker 2: jurisdictions a summary of their testimony.
27:46
Speaker 1: Their address is how to reach them.
27:49
Speaker 2: If it's a scientific evidence expert, you have to give
27:53
Speaker 2: the scientific report, like if it's about drugs, this videographer,
27:57
Speaker 2: this video expert, his CV, his resume, what he's going
28:03
Speaker 2: to say, his education, everything, has to be handed over
28:07
Speaker 2: to start with.
28:09
Speaker 1: If the thing that the state doesn't have to.
28:11
Speaker 2: Hand over is their work product, their tactics of how
28:16
Speaker 2: they're going to use each witness to achieve what so,
28:20
Speaker 2: if there's a.
28:20
Speaker 1: Mistrial, the defense already has their.
28:23
Speaker 2: Whole playbook, everything they plan to do with each witness
28:27
Speaker 2: and did so it's a it's a huge, huge problem
28:31
Speaker 2: for the state.
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Speaker 1: I'm just going to rumor.
28:33
Speaker 2: You said that you thought Diddy was gonna be found
28:37
Speaker 2: not guilty.
28:38
Speaker 1: Is that true? Did you say, Oh my.
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Speaker 13: God, I'm about to I'm about to have a debate
28:42
Speaker 13: with nasies.
28:44
Speaker 2: On you man, I'm in three inches up your tailpod.
28:48
Speaker 2: Did you say he was gonna get acquitted? Because I
28:51
Speaker 2: think you did.
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Speaker 1: No.
28:52
Speaker 13: I also said that I think he will be acquitted
28:55
Speaker 13: faster than what people think, because I think this is
28:58
Speaker 13: a circus act and I think he.
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Speaker 1: Acquitted and faster.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, that's for my friend Harvey Levin over at TMZ,
29:07
Speaker 2: and that's airing on to b us versus Seawan Combs.
29:11
Speaker 2: Now even ray J is piling on. Has he been
29:14
Speaker 2: listening to the evidence? He goes on and I'll play
29:17
Speaker 2: for you in just a moment. Yeah, he's been didified,
29:22
Speaker 2: just so that has a leaked to the jury. This
29:24
Speaker 2: as we learn Seawann Combs has raked in over four
29:29
Speaker 2: million dollars since he was arrested.
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Speaker 1: Send me some aur crime stories, investigative reporter.
29:37
Speaker 5: How Diddy has made all of this money from renting
29:41
Speaker 5: out his golfstream size fifty Love Air. So even while
29:46
Speaker 5: he is sitting behind bars at the NDC, his plane
29:50
Speaker 5: is still making him money from chartered flights. It's made
29:53
Speaker 5: about one hundred and twenty six trips since he's been arrested.
29:56
Speaker 2: It is a sixty million dollars private g to high
30:02
Speaker 2: end travelers, and it's a very lucrative side hustle for
30:06
Speaker 2: Shawn Comes. We're learning his defense is costing millions and
30:11
Speaker 2: tens of millions of dollars. The jet is equipped with
30:15
Speaker 2: fourteen seats, range of nearly seven thousand miles. It's called
30:20
Speaker 2: did You Say Love Air, and it's rented out by
30:23
Speaker 2: an operator called Silver Air that operates the flights and
30:29
Speaker 2: builds the jet as part of a comprehensive fleet of
30:32
Speaker 2: luxury air craft. It is a black colored plane on
30:37
Speaker 2: celebrity charter broker sites like Jetty and nobody knows. The
30:43
Speaker 2: people that rent it have no clue that it is
30:47
Speaker 2: owned by Sean Comes. This is what I recommend for
30:53
Speaker 2: all of you jet renters. You better get one of
30:58
Speaker 2: these now. Again, when you don't know a horse, look
31:03
Speaker 2: at his track record. Now, I want you to listen
31:06
Speaker 2: to this and ask yourself, is there any way Sean
31:11
Speaker 2: Combs could resist becoming a.
31:13
Speaker 1: Member of the Mile High Club.
31:16
Speaker 12: Listen Friedrich Zimour, the manager of Les Air Mettage Hotel
31:21
Speaker 12: in Beverly Hills, discuss Shawn Combs's history of reservations. Combs
31:25
Speaker 12: opened an account in two thousand and six, but three
31:27
Speaker 12: years later the name was changed to Jackie Starr, then
31:30
Speaker 12: Frank White, then Frank Black, and Ryan Lopez. The notes
31:34
Speaker 12: stayed the same. Number one monitor outside the room to
31:37
Speaker 12: spray air freshener. Number two place the room out of
31:41
Speaker 12: order upon departure for deep cleaning. Always spills candlewax on
31:46
Speaker 12: everything and uses excessive amounts of oil. And number three
31:51
Speaker 12: please authorize an extra one thousand dollars at check in
31:54
Speaker 12: to cover room damages.
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Speaker 1: Air freshener.
31:59
Speaker 2: Okay, Greg Morris, sprating some glade on that sofa is
32:05
Speaker 2: not gonna help a thing. Are you seriously you've r
32:10
Speaker 2: in his jet? You better get one of these morse.
32:13
Speaker 1: Listen, this is my dig run Hugh Kills the germs Nancy.
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Speaker 4: He's on trial for sex trafficking, and he has a
32:24
Speaker 4: plane called love Air. You can't make this stuff up.
32:27
Speaker 4: I mean, there's no way you can fictionally write this.
32:29
Speaker 4: And the poetry of this ridiculousness that the lifestyle take
32:35
Speaker 4: a look.
32:35
Speaker 2: At Cassie Venture's fat lip and call it poetry again.
32:38
Speaker 4: Talking about Diddy's life and his plane and putting love
32:41
Speaker 4: Air on it. Defendants aren't that bright sometimes, and clearly
32:45
Speaker 4: he's not.
32:45
Speaker 1: But uh the uh did?
32:48
Speaker 4: He still not sex trafficking though, I still don't know
32:50
Speaker 4: where you're getting that from. But hey, uh you know,
32:53
Speaker 4: we'll see at the end of.
32:54
Speaker 1: This man on topic.
32:56
Speaker 2: You know what, Let me give you some adderall to
32:59
Speaker 2: get you like folks us in to you, Bethany Marshall.
33:03
Speaker 2: This is in his notes at the hotel, Like when
33:06
Speaker 2: he walks in the door, they go get an extra
33:09
Speaker 2: ground monitor outside of room to spray air freshener who
33:16
Speaker 2: place the room out of order upon departure for deep
33:19
Speaker 2: cleaning always is in all caps, spills candle wax on everything,
33:24
Speaker 2: and uses excessive, excessive amounts of oil and authorize an
33:29
Speaker 2: extra thousand dollars at check in to cover room damages. Now,
33:34
Speaker 2: we you and I have talked many times about habit evidence,
33:40
Speaker 2: routine evidence. If he's trashing every hotel room where they
33:45
Speaker 2: have to go in and spray laid on it.
33:48
Speaker 1: What do you think he's doing to love Air? You
33:52
Speaker 1: think you're gonna go send on one of those cushions.
33:54
Speaker 1: I'm not.
33:54
Speaker 2: Look, they have to bring in a whole Dixie dumpster
33:57
Speaker 2: to clean out his room, and he is I'm renting
34:00
Speaker 2: this jet out. How much did you say, Sidy? How
34:03
Speaker 2: much is one flight on his jet?
34:04
Speaker 5: At least forty thousand dollars?
34:07
Speaker 2: Forty thousand dollars to sit on one of those stanky cushions, Faciny, I.
34:12
Speaker 6: Can just tell you my celebrity patients and my Beverly
34:15
Speaker 6: Hills office would be horrified to know that that's what
34:18
Speaker 6: they're sitting on. But on a more serious note, Nancy,
34:21
Speaker 6: this is one more very disturbing example of people accommodating
34:27
Speaker 6: to celebrity PDD. He got everybody to accommodate to him.
34:31
Speaker 6: A thousand dollars is not enough at Hermitage to repair
34:37
Speaker 6: room damage. It's just not that that facility or that
34:42
Speaker 6: hotel is near my office. It is very high end.
34:45
Speaker 6: It has a beautiful cocktail bar on the roof. Cocktails
34:49
Speaker 6: cost fifty dollars more off there. Okay, well not anymore.
34:53
Speaker 6: But they're accommodating to him, just like everybody else does.
34:56
Speaker 6: Hey what instead of deep cleaning, how about just checking
35:00
Speaker 6: for trace evidence of blood? I mean, crimes occurred in
35:04
Speaker 6: that room.
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Speaker 1: So the fact that these.
35:07
Speaker 6: Are in the notes really minimizes the severity of the
35:11
Speaker 6: destruction to women, which is what we're talking about.
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Speaker 2: Today Crime stories with Nancy Grace Tom Smith joining me
35:26
Speaker 2: NYPD thirty years on the NYPD FBI Joint Terrorism Task
35:33
Speaker 2: Force at the Gooldshield Show dot com. Tom on I
35:38
Speaker 2: learned this in the DA's office, prosecuting so many heinous crimes,
35:43
Speaker 2: crimes that I would wake up in the night with
35:45
Speaker 2: night terrors for over ten years, and it lasted long
35:49
Speaker 2: after that from the cases that I investigated and tried,
35:53
Speaker 2: and sometimes you just have to have something to crack
35:57
Speaker 2: a smile.
35:58
Speaker 1: And doctor Bethany's we're talking about.
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Speaker 2: Love air and my Ditty want, and.
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Speaker 1: That's not what this case is about.
36:07
Speaker 2: But sometimes when I look at those pictures of Cassie
36:11
Speaker 2: and I hear the testimony and I see her getting
36:13
Speaker 2: beaten in the hallway, it can be overwhelming because this
36:19
Speaker 2: kind of attack on women is happening all across the world,
36:22
Speaker 2: every single day, every single minute, and people are ditified.
36:27
Speaker 2: They don't want to believe it.
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Speaker 13: Tom.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, and you know what, You're never going to convince
36:31
Speaker 7: a percentage of the people out there listening to this case,
36:34
Speaker 7: no matter what is said, no matter what's presented, no
36:36
Speaker 7: matter what anyone reports on, there's going to be a
36:39
Speaker 7: percentage of people that think this is all just driven
36:43
Speaker 7: to get Ditty and for what, you know, what would
36:45
Speaker 7: be the motive of just getting Sean Combs. There's victims
36:50
Speaker 7: here that have to be explained and have to be
36:53
Speaker 7: come to the forefront and defended. And this is what
36:56
Speaker 7: this case is doing. You know, there's so many more
36:59
Speaker 7: victims out there probably that they couldn't convince to come
37:03
Speaker 7: in and testify or give a statement about. And all
37:06
Speaker 7: of those people are all part of this as well.
37:09
Speaker 7: This has to the accountability has to be seen by
37:12
Speaker 7: Sean Combs wherever it happened.
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Speaker 2: I just I just feel like I say you at
37:17
Speaker 2: the sentencing, my friend, Wow, hey, ray J welcome right.
37:23
Speaker 13: I love this and I love you Nancy, but I
37:26
Speaker 13: have to disagree because I think that this is the
37:28
Speaker 13: most wildest case of like sexual conversation, right, dirty fire
37:36
Speaker 13: pipes and like the punisher and like you know, everything
37:41
Speaker 13: else that goes with this.
37:42
Speaker 2: It's all.
37:43
Speaker 13: It's a very dirty situation, and I feel like it's
37:47
Speaker 13: becoming a circus act for stuff that doesn't make any sense.
37:51
Speaker 1: For what did he's being charged for.
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Speaker 2: Joining me Brett Brown, executive director Surviving Assault, Standing Strong,
37:59
Speaker 2: dedicated to ending sex attacks and sex trafficking on women.
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Speaker 2: By the way, that was from our friend Harvey Levin,
38:06
Speaker 2: my longtime friend over at TMZ, and that airs on
38:09
Speaker 2: to b. It's usv. Seawan Combs is the name of it,
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Speaker 2: you know, Brett. I think people don't understand the dynamic
38:18
Speaker 2: of rape and.
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Speaker 1: Abuse, and they shouldn't.
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Speaker 2: I'm glad they don't because that means that violent crime
38:25
Speaker 2: has not touched their lives. I think that they're living
38:29
Speaker 2: with blinders on. I mean, I had no idea about
38:33
Speaker 2: a world of violent crime until my fiance was murdered
38:35
Speaker 2: and I became a felony prosecutor. So it's really almost
38:40
Speaker 2: insurmountable to explain what it really is.
38:44
Speaker 1: But this is not a circus. This is real. This
38:48
Speaker 1: is what happened to these women.
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Speaker 8: What the prosecution is going to have to do throughout
38:53
Speaker 8: this trial is showing the ups and downs. The nature
38:56
Speaker 8: of abusive relationships is that they start where and feel respected,
39:01
Speaker 8: loved and seen like they're on a pedestal, right, and
39:05
Speaker 8: everyone wants that in their lives. But the difference between
39:07
Speaker 8: healthy and unhealthy is that in these abusive relationships, they
39:10
Speaker 8: go from feeling like they're on a pedestal to like
39:12
Speaker 8: they're under a spotlight. And if they don't perform, then
39:16
Speaker 8: there are consequences, and those consequences continue to grow. And
39:20
Speaker 8: we have to make that really evident that it is
39:23
Speaker 8: a situation that starts with love and devotion and ends
39:26
Speaker 8: with fear of violence and being trapped, you know.
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Speaker 2: Thomas Smith, following up on what Brett Brown just said,
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Speaker 2: I tell the story earlier. It's actually a myth about
39:35
Speaker 2: Sisyphus pushing the huge boulder up the heel of Haydes
39:40
Speaker 2: day after day after day, and they're seeing it roll
39:43
Speaker 2: back down. Tom, do you ever get tired or exhausted
39:48
Speaker 2: of trying, of just screaming the same thing over and
39:52
Speaker 2: over about what women are endearing.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, it happens a lot because of attitudes like that
39:59
Speaker 7: of putting victims on trial. And we had to deal
40:02
Speaker 7: with it a lot in any other crime, not just rap.
40:04
Speaker 7: You know a lot of crimes, robberies and so forth.
40:07
Speaker 7: But on a detective level, you took an oath, and
40:11
Speaker 7: you take a deep breath, and you go at it
40:13
Speaker 7: as hard as you can for the victims. Yes, you
40:16
Speaker 7: want to get the bad guys, you want to get
40:17
Speaker 7: those responsible to pay the price, But inevitably, at the end,
40:22
Speaker 7: you were doing this for the victims out there. And
40:24
Speaker 7: that's what counts, and that's what on the minds of
40:26
Speaker 7: detectives and investigators and US attorneys who are bringing this
40:30
Speaker 7: case forward. It's about the victims of this case.
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Speaker 2: We stop and remember American hero Deputy Sheriff Anthony Tate,
40:37
Speaker 2: Grandee County Sheriffs shot in the line of duty. Lee's
40:41
Speaker 2: behind wife Crystal and five children. American hero Anthony
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Speaker 1: Tate Nancy Grace signing off good wife, friend