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Credlin | 13 May · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Pedo Krandler live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. What a day. Here's
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Speaker 2: what's coming up on Kredline.
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Speaker 3: Susan leader leader lives in a ballot that went down
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Speaker 3: to just four votes between her and Angus Taylor. A
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Speaker 3: long press conference today, some interesting words from the new leader.
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Speaker 3: I'll give you my take and what's really happened today
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Speaker 3: behind closed doors in a moment, airbus albow back to
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Speaker 3: jedoff tomorrow morning. Two international trips on the card Indonesia
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Speaker 3: and Rome, as the Prime Minister of the Ministry was
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Speaker 3: fought in today at Government House. Speaking of the PM's
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Speaker 3: trip to Rome, there's now a common theme emergent when
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Speaker 3: it comes to the PM's Catholicism. It feels very transactional
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Speaker 3: to me, to say the least. We'll get into that
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Speaker 3: in a moment. And another day too of fight our
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Speaker 3: farmers taking their fight to the depths of Victorian Parliament
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Speaker 3: as the Allen government expects him to foot the bill
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Speaker 3: for their poor management of the regional Fire Service.
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Speaker 4: This is just going to break down out right.
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Speaker 2: It's criminals who keeps.
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Speaker 5: Parties with busas we're not telling out a whole year.
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Speaker 4: Who will find a way to keep paying these bills?
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Speaker 6: What it does mean we're not making any more money,
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Speaker 6: so we have to take the money from somewhere else.
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Speaker 3: The Victorian Liberal leader Brad Batton's coming up in the program.
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Speaker 3: But first let's go to camera, to the to the
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Speaker 3: Federal Liberal Party leadership. Today there the party room elected
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Speaker 3: its first female federal leader, twenty four year parliamentary veteran
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Speaker 3: Susan Lee, who won over her colleagues twenty nine votes
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Speaker 3: to twenty five rankus Taylor. Now Lee is a mix
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Speaker 3: of contradictions. A Liberal who won a National Party seat
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Speaker 3: and held it for over two decades. Someone who's been
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Speaker 3: in the Parliament for years but who outside of Canberra
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Speaker 3: is virtually unknown, who has a unique backstory. Someone too,
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Speaker 3: who was once a big pro Palestinian supporter but now
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Speaker 3: has changed her tune.
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Speaker 7: Following my appointment as deputy, I took a trip to
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Speaker 7: Israel and I spent a lot of time seeing what
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Speaker 7: was happening on the ground, and then, of course the
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Speaker 7: hideous events of October the seventh in Gaza have changed
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Speaker 7: my thinking on the entire subject.
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Speaker 3: Now Good on today she took that issue head on.
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Speaker 3: It was a lengthy press conference. I have to say
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Speaker 3: I thought Susan Lee acquitted herself very well.
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Speaker 2: She was directing her responses.
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Speaker 3: She didn't let the camera press gallery walk all over
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Speaker 3: her either.
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Speaker 7: We have to recognize that we need a strong country
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Speaker 7: that is committed to a manufacturing base that relies on cheap,
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Speaker 7: reliable energy. To walk away from next to you your
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Speaker 7: pretty words in my math, Andrew, no policies have been
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Speaker 7: adopted or walked away from.
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Speaker 2: Now, make no bones about it.
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Speaker 3: I would have preferred Taylor as leader given his economic experience,
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Speaker 3: but it was good to see that the Liberal Party's
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Speaker 3: first female leader was elected rather than installed by the factions,
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Speaker 3: as was the case remember with Labour's Julia Gillard. But
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Speaker 3: that's not to discount Susan Lee's factionalism here. She's a
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Speaker 3: moderate out of the party's left wing faction that was
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Speaker 3: forced to do a deal to save a preselection in
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty two and in New South Wales.
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Speaker 2: It is that.
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Speaker 3: Very factionalism that's the reason why the federal executive was
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Speaker 3: forced last year to intervene and put the party into administration,
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Speaker 3: with a committee of party elders running the show, including
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Speaker 3: former Federal Party president, former Howard government minister Richard Austen,
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Speaker 3: whom I spoke with here last night.
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Speaker 8: There are six hundred and eight people who have been
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Speaker 8: refused membership of the party. There have been four or
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Speaker 8: half thousand people who have let their membership lapse in
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Speaker 8: the last few years. No new branches been created since
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Speaker 8: twenty sixteen. It's just appalling, and it's because the factions collude.
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Speaker 8: Any fool can write an article about someone wants to
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Speaker 8: go left some day. That's complete nonsense. I mean, the
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Speaker 8: reality is people want good policy. It's not a left
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Speaker 8: or right thing.
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Speaker 3: Now on that Richard Austen nailed it. For too long,
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Speaker 3: the Liberal Party's left wing faction is argued it needs
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Speaker 3: to be just a nicer version of the Labor Party
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Speaker 3: to win office. And look where the party have tried
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Speaker 3: that you heard, Richard. No new branches since twenty sixteen.
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Speaker 3: That coincides with the advent of Malcolm Turbule, and under
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Speaker 3: Malcolm Turble in that election, the Liberal Party lost fourteen seats,
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Speaker 3: one seat short of losing government in Wa Well. The
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Speaker 3: Libs had a climate policy there at a state level.
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Speaker 2: It was even.
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Speaker 3: Greener than that of the Greens and they were then
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Speaker 3: reduced to a rump of just two MP's in the
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Speaker 3: Lower House. In South Australia, after seventeen years of Labor rule,
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Speaker 3: the Libs won and then under the moderate Stephen they
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Speaker 3: stood for nothing and then they then got thrown out
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Speaker 3: of office after just one term by Peter Malanowskis In Victoria, well,
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Speaker 3: all the factional brawling that's gone on there for years
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Speaker 3: has meant that the Liberals for twenty five years have
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Speaker 3: been in almost permanent opposition, but for just one single term.
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Speaker 3: What wins you government is good policy and good politics.
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Speaker 3: Get the policy right and the politics will then follow.
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Speaker 3: When politics trump's policy, then that's the surest way in
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Speaker 3: my experience, to be shown the door by the Electric. Ultimately,
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Speaker 3: it wasn't a factor as to what faction Peter Dutton
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Speaker 3: might have been at the recent election. His policies or
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Speaker 3: lack of them, are what to let the Liberals down,
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Speaker 3: and the fact that they seem to almost give up
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Speaker 3: on attacking Labor by failing to call out Labour's lies
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Speaker 3: or defending the character of their leader as the former
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Speaker 3: Deputy here Susan Lee, Well she doesn't have clean hands
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Speaker 3: in any that, nor does Angus Taylor. Indeed, every frontbencher
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Speaker 3: should take responsibility for the fact that the work was
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Speaker 3: not done, or if it was done, it was never released. Now,
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Speaker 3: these are sort of basic campaign errors that must be addressed.
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Speaker 3: To rebuild from here, the party must have a fedek
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Speaker 3: and review that does more than just sit on the
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Speaker 3: shelf and gather dust.
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Speaker 2: But at the same time, in signaling a wholesale.
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Speaker 3: Review, MPs need to be careful that those with vested
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Speaker 3: interests don't hold sway over Lee or her new deputy
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Speaker 3: Ted O'Brien.
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Speaker 9: And having federal government own nuclear power stations, is that going.
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Speaker 8: To be your position do you think going forward?
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Speaker 7: Well, just here in this party room only a couple
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Speaker 7: of hours ago, I committed to my colleagues that there
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Speaker 7: would be no captain's calls from anywhere by me, And
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Speaker 7: I also committed during the discussions I had with them
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Speaker 7: this week that we would work through every single policy issue.
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Speaker 7: We would canvass the different views and we would take
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Speaker 7: the time to get it right.
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Speaker 2: So nuclear is up for grabs.
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Speaker 3: Yesterday, though, when the same question about nuclear energy was
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Speaker 3: asked to the newly recollected Nationals leader Dave little proud
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Speaker 3: there was no such fence sitting.
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Speaker 9: We've had the courage on nuclear energy, something that our
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Speaker 9: party room has believed in for a very long time,
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Speaker 9: and all renewables approach won't work. But it was our
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Speaker 9: party room from many people before us, that had the
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Speaker 9: courage to come forward.
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Speaker 10: But it was us.
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Speaker 2: It was our party room.
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Speaker 3: That delivered it. Now, as I've been reporting for the
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Speaker 3: past couple of days, the push is on by so
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Speaker 3: called moderates, primarily out of New South Wales, to get
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Speaker 3: the Libs to dump nuclear and just roll over and
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Speaker 3: adopt holes Bolus Chris Bowen's energy plan, even though if
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Speaker 3: they've done nuclear, there's no reasonable prospect of Australian meeting
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Speaker 3: any emissions targets. At the same time, is keeping us
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Speaker 3: a first world economy if the New South Wales moderates
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Speaker 3: get their way. And let's not forget Matt Kean Labour's
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Speaker 3: knew yesmount On Climate was once the factional leader up
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Speaker 3: until recently that the Liberals will be in the wilderness
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Speaker 3: for a very long time because without a baseload option
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Speaker 3: and with a grid that's just wind and solar, Australians
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Speaker 3: will not be able to afford their power bills and
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Speaker 3: industry and jobs.
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Speaker 2: Will desert our country.
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Speaker 3: On a couple of other important issues today, Lee didn't
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Speaker 3: throw the baby out with the bath water, and that's
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Speaker 3: a good thing.
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Speaker 2: We should.
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Speaker 7: We should unite under the one Australian flag. That is
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Speaker 7: my firm view, and this with respect to welcome for country.
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Speaker 7: It's simple. If it's meaningful, if it matters, if it resonates,
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Speaker 7: then it's in the right place. If it's done in
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Speaker 7: a way that is ticking a box on a team's meeting,
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Speaker 7: then I don't think it is relevant.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: All credit to Susan Lee today. She spoke with a
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Speaker 3: lot of clarity across a lot of topics. Pretty impressive.
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Speaker 3: On the issue of more women in the party room
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Speaker 3: and more women attracted to the Liberal cause, well no
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Speaker 3: one could disagree with this.
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Speaker 7: It is true that the numbers of women who are
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Speaker 7: supporting US is declining, and I want to rule a
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Speaker 7: line under that. I don't want to see that decline
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Speaker 7: for one more day. And that means a genuine, serious
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Speaker 7: engagement with a new leadership team and a new agenda,
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Speaker 7: and one that I will personally drive.
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Speaker 3: Now On the vexed issue, though of quotas. This is
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Speaker 3: where there will be a huge fight if the moderates
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Speaker 3: try and force them on a party that was founded
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Speaker 3: on the principle of merits, that merits and effort should
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Speaker 3: be the only criteria for advancement.
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Speaker 7: Quote as the targets in twenty twenty one and twenty
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Speaker 7: twenty two, I think forty and fifty percent, respectively.
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Speaker 2: Do you still believe in that?
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Speaker 7: With respect to my comments about women in the Liberal Party,
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Speaker 7: I want to say right here and now, we need
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Speaker 7: more women in our party now. At the end of
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Speaker 7: the last election, there was a review done extremely wealth
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Speaker 7: and I will certainly re engage with all of those
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Speaker 7: different organizations within our party to absolutely understand how we
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Speaker 7: can improve that trajectory.
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Speaker 3: Now, Targets are what you aspire to, Quotas are what
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Speaker 3: you demand and you enforce, and quotas are demeaning. To
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Speaker 3: divide us by gender is just as offensive as it
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Speaker 3: was to try and divide us all by race in
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Speaker 3: the voice and doesn't leads very elevation to the Liberal
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Speaker 3: leadership without a quota in sight. Proved just how obsolete
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Speaker 3: this whole.
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Speaker 2: Idea is anyway.
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Speaker 3: I mean, here we are in twenty twenty five, still
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Speaker 3: having a debate about what is a woman at the
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Speaker 3: same time as we're saying we need special spots for
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Speaker 3: women because they're so hardly done by in politics. For
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Speaker 3: the past three years, Susan Lee was a Liberal Party's
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Speaker 3: shadow Minister for women, something a journalist today grabbed hold of.
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Speaker 3: You were the shadow minister for women in the last term.
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Speaker 2: Women obviously abandoned the Liberal Party for consecutive elections. To
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Speaker 2: what extent do you have.
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Speaker 11: To take responsibility for giving you a part of the
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Speaker 11: leadership team and you had that portfolio so clearly not
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Speaker 11: having reached them.
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Speaker 2: A fair cop.
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Speaker 3: I mean, do you really think a quota is going
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Speaker 3: to make a woman in pen with Penrith a vote
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Speaker 3: for the Libs rather than policies than make.
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Speaker 2: Her life better?
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Speaker 3: Well, of course not, good policy is what matters, not
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Speaker 3: the gender of its proponents.
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Speaker 2: Look at the Labor Party.
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Speaker 3: They have had a massive landslide win to a party
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Speaker 3: led by a male leader and a male deputy. Now
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Speaker 3: let me just remind some of the idiots sprouting these
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Speaker 3: pro quota lines that the last Liberal leader to pick
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Speaker 3: up more than forty percent of the female vote in
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Speaker 3: this country was Tony Abbott. Tony Abbott got forty five
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Speaker 3: percent of the female vote. Certainly wasn't Malcolm Turnbull the
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Speaker 3: Left Light to think he was such a winner with women.
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Speaker 3: Yet under turbule, the party's share of the female vote
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Speaker 3: dropped under forty for the first time, down to a
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Speaker 3: shocking thirty five percent. That's ten points lower than Abbott,
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Speaker 3: and it's been falling and falling ever since. In putting
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Speaker 3: together the new shadow ministry, susanly needs to preference front
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Speaker 3: bench capacity over factional rewards.
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Speaker 2: I mean this idea that the former.
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Speaker 3: Essays Captain Andrew Hasty should now be dumped to let
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Speaker 3: bother boy Alex Hook get the job as a bit
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Speaker 3: of a thank you for doing Lee's numbers as the
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Speaker 3: Defense shadow. Well, that would set this new team off
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Speaker 3: to a shocking start. To survive, Lee and O'Brien needs
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Speaker 3: to put the best team they can together because with
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Speaker 3: Labour's ninety three seats to the coalition's forty two, it's
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Speaker 3: a long way back for the Coalition. At its most simple,
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Speaker 3: the job of opposition is to not make weak compromises
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Speaker 3: with the bad government. The job of opposition is to
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Speaker 3: be a clear alternative and that means more fighting the dog,
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Speaker 3: more willingness from the Liberal to create a contest with
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Speaker 3: their opponents in the washer from its election loss. The
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Speaker 3: real problems for the Liberals, aside from a failure to fight,
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Speaker 3: the real problem was the party had had it with
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Speaker 3: less to do about more women, or less women, or
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Speaker 3: more migrants, any of that. It was that it had
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Speaker 3: too few supporters, too few members full stop. Now that's
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Speaker 3: in part because of factional warlords to rather keep party
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Speaker 3: branches small and under control than inviting everyone and anyone
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Speaker 3: who would normally vote Liberal and are interested in genuinely
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Speaker 3: debating policy and supporting good candidates.
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Speaker 8: You're always going to have left and right, progressive, moderate conservative,
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Speaker 8: whatever as how it said broad Church. But when they
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Speaker 8: get together and exclude people, you know, mother Teresa turns
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Speaker 8: up says she's available, I'd say sorry, you're not in
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Speaker 8: the right faction.
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Speaker 3: Last year the Liberal Party Federal the Executive intervened in
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Speaker 3: New South Wales because factional maneuvering when the party had
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Speaker 3: failed to nominate its local government candidates in time. Now
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Speaker 3: there will be a lot of pressure now on Susan
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Speaker 3: Lee to end that intervention so that the factional warlords
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Speaker 3: can get back control.
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Speaker 2: Of the party in New South Wales. So this will
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Speaker 2: be a big test for her.
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Speaker 3: Does she stand firm and get the reforms done by
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Speaker 3: extending the term of this intervention, letting them rewrite the
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Speaker 3: New South Wales Liberal Party a constitution, or don't she
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Speaker 3: now just sack Richard Austen or Alan Stockdell and.
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Speaker 2: The others and give in to the factions.
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Speaker 3: Because in the end, the first job of a broken
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Speaker 3: opposition is to unite. It's to understand why you lost,
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Speaker 3: to listen and rebuild. It's about articulating the Liberal Party's
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Speaker 3: values and beliefs and then putting forward solutions to the
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Speaker 3: challenges facing our people and our country. And to make
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Speaker 3: sure that the party is not controlled by factional manipulators,
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Speaker 3: even though who might have supported you into the top job.
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Speaker 3: That's the start of the Liberal comeback our country needs.
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Speaker 3: As I said, a huge jacamba today on both sides
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Speaker 3: of politics. Let's go there now for the headlines, the
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Speaker 3: Sky News political reporter Cam Reddin.
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Speaker 10: A diminished Liberal Party convenes for the first time since
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Speaker 10: it's crushing election defeat.
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Speaker 2: To be back in editon I don't miss the icing mornings.
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Speaker 2: It's good to have a debate with colleagues.
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Speaker 10: Your relationship today. Oh look, democraphy Democracy delivering a female
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Speaker 10: leader for the first time in the party's eighty year history.
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Speaker 7: The numbers of women who are supporting us is declining,
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Speaker 7: and I want to rule a line under that. I
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Speaker 7: don't want to see that decline for one more day.
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Speaker 10: First elected in two thousand and one, Susan Lee prevailed
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Speaker 10: twenty nine votes to twenty five over Angus Taylor, the
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Speaker 10: former Shadow treasurer, locked out of the top job. Future
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Speaker 10: on the front bench is uncertain.
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Speaker 12: Angus, if you're watching this, you need to be there.
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Speaker 7: He would have been a fine leader of the Liberal
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Speaker 7: Party at this time.
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Speaker 10: Ted O'Brien, who led the coalition's pitch for nuclear power,
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Speaker 10: will serve as deputy.
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Speaker 1: These values which unite the Liberal Party are the very
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Speaker 1: values that have the capacity to unite the nation.
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Speaker 10: Just in to Nampa, jimper Price has failed in her
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Speaker 10: beard for a leadership spot after defecting from the Nationals.
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Speaker 2: Has the work of switch center. Price will be making
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Speaker 2: comments in.
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Speaker 10: Jip course up the road at Government House. The Prime
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Speaker 10: Minister's new ministry has been sworn.
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Speaker 13: In I, Anthony Norman Albanesi too solemnly and sincerely affirm
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Speaker 13: and declare that I will well and truly serve the
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Speaker 13: Comwealth of Australia, her Land and her people in the
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Speaker 13: office of.
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Speaker 10: Prime Minister Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra, as I.
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Speaker 3: Said ecty day, join him now from Canada, the pluk
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Speaker 3: or of what you just saw there, Can Reddin and
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Speaker 3: a Daily Telegraph journalist James Willis.
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Speaker 2: Gents, welcome.
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Speaker 3: We'll start with the Prime Minister because clearly Cam now
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Speaker 3: that is one. He's got that great big seat buffer.
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Speaker 3: He's not scared about being airbus elbow again. He heads
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Speaker 3: off to Indonesia tomorrow, then he heads off to Rome
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Speaker 3: for the Pope's inauguration on Sunday.
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Speaker 2: And you're going with him. What can we expect? Yeah?
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Speaker 10: Good for me, I suppose, Peter. My European summer not
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Speaker 10: quite starting a little bit early. But I did check
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Speaker 10: it six months to today since his final or his
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Speaker 10: last overseas visit that was to the Apex and g
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Speaker 10: twenty summers at the middle of November last year, so
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Speaker 10: he did notably put them on hold throughout the campaign.
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Speaker 10: Clearly there was an election to win Peter, and perhaps
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Speaker 10: a bit of feedback that, look, you need to stay
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Speaker 10: on home base while that election is there to be won.
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Speaker 10: But it's going to be the start of a busy period.
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Speaker 10: When it comes to the overseas trips, we can expect
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Speaker 10: that to extend to the G seven. I think that's
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Speaker 10: in June in Canada, potentially a trip to the White
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Speaker 10: House as well. One to really watch will be on
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Speaker 10: Sunday when, in amongst all the swearing in or the
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Speaker 10: curation of the new Pope, will there be some kind
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Speaker 10: of face to face between Donald Trump and Anthony Albanesi.
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Speaker 10: We still don't know for certain that the President will
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Speaker 10: be there in the Vatican over the weekend, but with
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Speaker 10: so much attention on this event globally, you wouldn't put
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Speaker 10: it past him rocking up and potentially Peter finding a
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Speaker 10: bit of time for some chats with the world leaders
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Speaker 10: on the side. So will that be the time that
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Speaker 10: Anthony Alberanzi finally meets the President of the United States?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am going.
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Speaker 3: To watch him very closely in Rome, I have to say,
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Speaker 3: can because he's made a lot of comments about, you know,
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Speaker 3: finding his Catholicism and he's spending a lot of taxpayers
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Speaker 3: money to get that jet all the way to Italy.
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Speaker 3: But I noticed today when he was sworn in with
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Speaker 3: the Governor General. I'll come back to this with my panel.
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Speaker 3: He did not swear on the Bible. He took the affirmation.
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Speaker 3: So that's a bit interesting to me. Let's go to
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Speaker 3: Liberal Party leadership. Susan Lee, as I said, four votes
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Speaker 3: ahead of Angus Taylor in the final numbers. Ted O'Brien
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Speaker 3: of course elected deput ages Inter Namba Jipi Price. She
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Speaker 3: did not run in the end. I think you're a
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Speaker 3: bit tough on her there to say she was defeated
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Speaker 3: in her bid to be deputy camp she didn't run.
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Speaker 2: Are they going to unite now? Oh?
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Speaker 10: Well, unity will be the test, I suppose, Peter. And
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Speaker 10: that's one observation that both sides have made here is
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Speaker 10: that the Liberal Party was united under Peter Dutton for
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Speaker 10: the best part of three years. They really put up
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Speaker 10: that united front and whatever factional friction there might have
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Speaker 10: been was put to one side. But we saw a
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Speaker 10: little bit of the sunlight going in today and that
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Speaker 10: vote was quite close, as you know, twenty nine to
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Speaker 10: twenty five. So it would only take a few changing
19:36
Speaker 10: their mind to change the leadership. Susan Lee says she'll
19:39
Speaker 10: be there for three years. She certainly begins with that endeavor.
19:42
Speaker 10: I think the real question, and you alluded to this
19:44
Speaker 10: in your opening remarks, Peter, where will they fall on
19:47
Speaker 10: some of those key policy issues, because that is ultimately
19:51
Speaker 10: what the Liberal Party and ultimately the National Party two
19:54
Speaker 10: will need to decide. Do they not only stick with
19:56
Speaker 10: nuclear power, but did they stick with it in this form?
19:59
Speaker 10: Do they water it down and say we'll just repeal
20:01
Speaker 10: the moratorium, We're not going to commit to this state
20:03
Speaker 10: owned nuclear plan that Ted O'Brien was spearheading. What do
20:07
Speaker 10: they do on the economic narrative as well? That's going
20:09
Speaker 10: to be a really key narrative shift there. We saw
20:13
Speaker 10: Angus Taylor as the Shadow Treasurer. There was a bit
20:16
Speaker 10: of an attempt to put some of the failure of
20:18
Speaker 10: the coalition's message at his feet on that election defeat.
20:22
Speaker 10: And what now too? For Jane Hume, we know she
20:24
Speaker 10: didn't put her hand up in the end either for
20:26
Speaker 10: a leadership role in the Senate. Will she continue as
20:29
Speaker 10: the Finance Minister or will they attempt to completely redraw
20:33
Speaker 10: the board and put some new faces in those two
20:35
Speaker 10: portfolios to hit the hard reset button if you like.
20:39
Speaker 10: So all that to be sorted out overcoming weeks, Peter.
20:41
Speaker 10: But really with the shift of personnel, it's where they
20:44
Speaker 10: land on the policy and that's what will decide whether
20:47
Speaker 10: they can unite around that at all.
20:49
Speaker 2: I think.
20:51
Speaker 3: We just saw images there on the screen of Andrew
20:53
Speaker 3: Hasty walking into the party room for the vote today, James,
20:56
Speaker 3: and I have to say, given that Alex Hawk is
21:00
Speaker 3: talked about as being given the job of Andrew Hasty
21:04
Speaker 3: in defense, I only fell off my seat today when
21:07
Speaker 3: I heard that Hawk, who is a factional ally of
21:10
Speaker 3: Susan Lee, was out there doing her numbers. When he
21:12
Speaker 3: had this to say in the morning heading into the Parliament,
21:17
Speaker 3: who are you backing?
21:18
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to think about it.
21:20
Speaker 9: I've got a few more conversations with colleagues and I'll
21:22
Speaker 9: make a decision like everybody else.
21:25
Speaker 3: Mate, he's been on the blower for the last four
21:27
Speaker 3: or five days doing the numbers.
21:28
Speaker 2: I mean, give me a break.
21:30
Speaker 3: And of course you broke that story this morning that
21:34
Speaker 3: one of Hawk's own staff has been stacking out branches
21:38
Speaker 3: in Angus Taylor's electorate.
21:41
Speaker 2: What can you tell.
21:41
Speaker 1: Us that's right? And this happened over a six month
21:45
Speaker 1: period last year. Peter where, a twenty one year old
21:48
Speaker 1: who resides at St. Andrew's at Sydney University, is an
21:51
Speaker 1: advisor slash speech writer for Alex Hawk. A guy called
21:55
Speaker 1: Coculan Samtha Kumar has effectively coordinated a massive branch recruitment
22:02
Speaker 1: drive from other parts of Sydney, from the Blue Mountains,
22:05
Speaker 1: from Penrith, a couple of a little bit close, but there's
22:08
Speaker 1: some that are eighty kilometers away to fall into a
22:11
Speaker 1: branch which was on its knees with four or five
22:14
Speaker 1: members in Camden. All of a sudden, in six months,
22:17
Speaker 1: it goes from about five members to thirty. I've had
22:20
Speaker 1: five or six young Liberals tell me that this Hawk
22:23
Speaker 1: staff coordinated this and said we've got to save the branch.
22:27
Speaker 1: Everyone's going to come on board. It now looks like
22:29
Speaker 1: the Hawk staff is going to be president of that branch.
22:31
Speaker 1: And this was a factional play to basically grow control
22:35
Speaker 1: of an area which is in Angus Taylor's electorate effectively
22:38
Speaker 1: could be voting in pre selections in the future. It's
22:41
Speaker 1: not significant enough to decide Angus's pre selection. But it's
22:44
Speaker 1: certainly a factional play that happened between June and December
22:49
Speaker 1: last year. Now what's interesting about this is that everything
22:52
Speaker 1: that we know about Alex Hawk and his involvement in
22:55
Speaker 1: counting numbers for Susan Lee, I put this to Alex
22:58
Speaker 1: Hawk and said, mate, this stuff from your office. Has
23:01
Speaker 1: he been recruiting people for another branch? Alex Hawk says,
23:05
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about it, and he also insists,
23:08
Speaker 1: and I want to be very clear on this, Peter,
23:10
Speaker 1: he insists that his electoral office in the seat of
23:12
Speaker 1: Mitchell is not used for Liberal Party factional dealings, and
23:16
Speaker 1: I just want to put that on the record. Alex
23:18
Speaker 1: Hawk says there is no factional dealings in his office
23:21
Speaker 1: and he knew nothing about what the staff was up to.
23:23
Speaker 1: So that's where things are at. In the twelve hours
23:26
Speaker 1: since that story came out, Peter, I've had a mountain
23:29
Speaker 1: of correspondence from young Liberals about a much wider issue
23:32
Speaker 1: across Sydney where members are being recruited. There is some
23:35
Speaker 1: talk of members being recruited and offered possibly jobs in
23:39
Speaker 1: MP's staff for officers, and this includes recruitment right through
23:43
Speaker 1: to the school system before people finish their HSC. So
23:46
Speaker 1: there's a lot more to come on this, but certainly
23:49
Speaker 1: this happened in Angus Taylor's backyard, and we revealed that
23:52
Speaker 1: as he was vying for the leadership against Susan Lee
23:55
Speaker 1: and against the person that was counting her numbers, Alex Hawk.
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Speaker 3: I'm fanning my face, gents, because I need smelling salts
24:03
Speaker 3: after hearing that sort of.
24:06
Speaker 2: Furfy thrown at me that.
24:11
Speaker 7: Time.
24:13
Speaker 2: I tell you what memo to all of them.
24:15
Speaker 3: You know, the first thing I did when I became
24:17
Speaker 3: chief of staff to the opposition leader was actually to
24:20
Speaker 3: hire a bit of gray hair. I hire people that
24:23
Speaker 3: were policy experts that you know, could read a balance sheet,
24:26
Speaker 3: knew how to do a costing. I could understand, you know,
24:29
Speaker 3: on a map where Akina Fasu was, who weren't just branchstackers.
24:33
Speaker 3: It will be interesting how she puts her office together
24:37
Speaker 3: will be telling as to what sort of leader Susan
24:41
Speaker 3: Lee will be. I'll leave it there, including a chief
24:43
Speaker 3: of staff, but there's rumors about that tonight a certain
24:45
Speaker 3: failed senator's putting in her hand up goodness bank, gents,
24:49
Speaker 3: there you go something to race down and see if
24:51
Speaker 3: you can turn that into a story.
24:53
Speaker 2: I'll leave it there.
24:54
Speaker 3: Let's go to Victoria today, more than four hundred farmers
24:56
Speaker 3: and see if they Volunteers gathered on the steps of
24:59
Speaker 3: Victorian Parliament last ditch bid to stop the other labor
25:02
Speaker 3: government imposing and you one point six billion dollar emergency
25:06
Speaker 3: services tax.
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Speaker 2: On all Victorians.
25:09
Speaker 3: The state's upper House was due to this amendment today,
25:13
Speaker 3: but that's now been pushed back until Thursday because I'm
25:16
Speaker 3: being told that Labour's numbers have collapsed. Now this is
25:19
Speaker 3: a staggering example of just how out of touch the
25:22
Speaker 3: labor government is with all the enormous pressures facing our
25:25
Speaker 3: farmers who are not just struggling with this tax, but
25:28
Speaker 3: drought that is ripping across the state's southwest. Brag McDonald
25:32
Speaker 3: was one of the many farmers there today. He's a
25:34
Speaker 3: thirty five year old sheep and crop farmer from sananad
25:38
Speaker 3: pleased to say, he joins me now, Bred, welcome to
25:40
Speaker 3: the program. I'm obviously going to talk to politicians about this,
25:44
Speaker 3: but I want to talk to people at the cold face.
25:46
Speaker 2: What was it like there for you today?
25:50
Speaker 5: It was sort of a bit of sweet because there
25:52
Speaker 5: was lots of familiar faces, people who travel big distances.
25:55
Speaker 5: But it was sort of frustrating too that we've got
25:58
Speaker 5: to go to Melbourne to try and get out voice
26:00
Speaker 5: is heard, and like people have given up feeding sheep
26:02
Speaker 5: and sitting on the track to getting their crops in
26:05
Speaker 5: setting them up for the next year, and yeah, we've
26:08
Speaker 5: got to go down to the steps of Parliament to
26:10
Speaker 5: try and be heard.
26:13
Speaker 3: You're a farmer, as I said, but you're also a
26:14
Speaker 3: volunteer for your local fibergate. I mean, how do you
26:17
Speaker 3: feel when you volunteer to keep your company, country and
26:20
Speaker 3: community safe, but you've also got a copper bill going
26:24
Speaker 3: into tens of thousands of dollars.
26:26
Speaker 5: Yeah, well it makes you pretty angry when you're Yeah,
26:30
Speaker 5: you're expected to foot the bill for the increased risk
26:33
Speaker 5: of what the gunman is doing to us, like farmers
26:35
Speaker 5: are copy it from every which way at the moment,
26:37
Speaker 5: with transmission lines to win turbines, solar panels, mines and
26:43
Speaker 5: then the dry seasons rough out in some places. Yeah,
26:46
Speaker 5: and then you're expected to put the bill for it.
26:49
Speaker 5: It's just not right.
26:52
Speaker 2: What do you currently pay and what will your new
26:55
Speaker 2: bill be? Do you know.
26:58
Speaker 5: I'm not too sure about that a hat little but
27:00
Speaker 5: one of our rates notices there before, and it's on
27:05
Speaker 5: the rates notes I looked at. It was about twenty
27:07
Speaker 5: percent and the increase will take it to about forty
27:10
Speaker 5: percent of the rates bill. But that's that's just one
27:12
Speaker 5: parcel and it was, Yeah, it was about two and
27:14
Speaker 5: a half grand just on that one. But there's failures
27:17
Speaker 5: that there'd be yeah, numbers that would go into the
27:20
Speaker 5: hundreds of thousands of dollars, no doubt that. Yeah, we're
27:24
Speaker 5: sort of little fish, but yeah, we still don't need
27:27
Speaker 5: this extra bill.
27:31
Speaker 3: And of course I mentioned the top the drought. I
27:34
Speaker 3: know my sister's down the Terrang Way. They're on a
27:36
Speaker 3: dairy farm and they're feeding out that they've got basically
27:39
Speaker 3: no grass left. If they don't get rain in the
27:41
Speaker 3: next couple of weeks, it'll be too cold terrain. What's
27:45
Speaker 3: drought conditions like up your way?
27:48
Speaker 5: Oh, it's pretty dry like it's most of themes are
27:51
Speaker 5: nearly empty with hand feeding sheep on a daily basis,
27:56
Speaker 5: but hopefully it'll rain. It's yeah, it's the time of year.
28:00
Speaker 5: Word it's about due to rain.
28:01
Speaker 3: With it.
28:02
Speaker 5: When it does rain, it's probably going two cold so
28:04
Speaker 5: it won't rain grass overnight. So yeah, feeding will continue
28:08
Speaker 5: for a period of time, but hopefully the yeah crops
28:10
Speaker 5: will grow and we'll see how the year pan's out.
28:15
Speaker 3: What staggers me is that the premier is from Bendigo.
28:19
Speaker 3: You think that she would get it, that she'd be
28:20
Speaker 3: sympathetic to what farmers do, but what the CFA does,
28:24
Speaker 3: clearly that's not the case.
28:26
Speaker 2: What would be your message to her.
28:29
Speaker 5: Ah, don't bite the hand that feeds you. But she
28:33
Speaker 5: needs to learn to live within her means. Like they
28:36
Speaker 5: can't just keep on slugging people taxes and jacking up
28:40
Speaker 5: yeah levees and fees and everything all around the place
28:43
Speaker 5: because they can't manage money, like, they need to look
28:46
Speaker 5: at how they spend the money and what really needs
28:49
Speaker 5: to be done in Victoria before they go slugging everyone
28:53
Speaker 5: for it.
28:55
Speaker 3: And scratch on a railway and a row that no
28:59
Speaker 3: one wants. I'll leve it there, Brad, thank you for
29:01
Speaker 3: joining me. All the best Up the break, I'll just
29:04
Speaker 3: put what Brad's had to say to the opposition leader
29:06
Speaker 3: Brad Baton and see if they're going to stand up
29:08
Speaker 3: to the Allen government. Plus we'll get into a whole
29:10
Speaker 3: lot of issues in a moment, BLOCKA bangs still to calm.
29:17
Speaker 3: The UK is finally seen the light when it comes
29:19
Speaker 3: to open borders. Is this just Kia Starmer running scared
29:24
Speaker 3: as Nigel Farage gets more popular the first Today, Victorian
29:28
Speaker 3: Opposition leader Brad Baton joined the National Party and hundreds
29:31
Speaker 3: of farmers as you just saw on the steps of
29:33
Speaker 3: Victorian Parliament to protest against legislation result in the fire
29:37
Speaker 3: levy in the state tripling. It was an expression of
29:41
Speaker 3: frustration from a community fed up with governments that are
29:44
Speaker 3: seemingly not interested in the needs of Victorians beyond the
29:47
Speaker 3: suburbs of Melbourne. Victorian leader Brad Batton joins me now, Bred,
29:51
Speaker 3: thank you for your time. I know it is a
29:53
Speaker 3: busy sitting week. I've just played the footage of what's
29:56
Speaker 3: happening there on the ground today at the Parliament building.
30:00
Speaker 3: Talk to me about the levees and your position on it.
30:06
Speaker 6: Yeah, we came out today and thank you very much
30:07
Speaker 6: for having us on, Peter. But we came out today
30:09
Speaker 6: and met up with the farmers. And it's not just farmers.
30:12
Speaker 6: This is a tax on every person who has infrastructure
30:15
Speaker 6: across this state. But the farmers are the ones need
30:17
Speaker 6: to get hit hardest and first. And as you said,
30:20
Speaker 6: and I listened to Brad before when you were talking
30:22
Speaker 6: to him about farming at the moment and the challenges
30:25
Speaker 6: they've got when it comes to a drought. We've got
30:27
Speaker 6: the people on those farms who are volunteer firefighters, and
30:30
Speaker 6: now we've got a government that to repay them and
30:33
Speaker 6: thank them, they want to go out of their way
30:34
Speaker 6: to add an extra tax to them. It is absolutely
30:36
Speaker 6: appalling that farmers tax is going to increase up to
30:40
Speaker 6: one hundred and eighty nine percent some more in some
30:42
Speaker 6: cases that's the average across the state. At the same time,
30:45
Speaker 6: they're already struggling when it comes to drought, lack of
30:48
Speaker 6: support from government, and now we're seeing they have to
30:50
Speaker 6: travel into Melbourne to raise their points. That's why we
30:53
Speaker 6: went out and listened to them.
30:56
Speaker 2: Brad.
30:57
Speaker 3: What's the point of this increase? One hundred and eighty
30:59
Speaker 3: nine percent is enormous? Is this to pay for the
31:03
Speaker 3: botched merger of the Metropolitan Fibergate and the CFA.
31:10
Speaker 6: Well, this is a problem for the government at the
31:11
Speaker 6: moment because they haven't explained really what the money's for.
31:14
Speaker 6: They're trying to say this is to cover for emergency services.
31:17
Speaker 6: They even tried to put it through Parliament and call
31:19
Speaker 6: it a volunteers tax. Well, it is a volunteers tax
31:23
Speaker 6: because it's taxing volunteers. And now it's going to pay
31:25
Speaker 6: for things like triple zero, which the government should deliver
31:28
Speaker 6: without any issues FRV, the Fire Rescue Victoria.
31:31
Speaker 2: As you mentioned, all of these extra.
31:33
Speaker 6: Costs are now put into this two point one billion
31:35
Speaker 6: dollar income stream that is coming from all Victorians, particularly farmers.
31:40
Speaker 6: These are core parts of business. The Victorian government have
31:43
Speaker 6: and always continued to pay for things like the fire services,
31:47
Speaker 6: the emergency response to triple zero out of the funding
31:50
Speaker 6: they've already got. So now they're doing this so they
31:52
Speaker 6: can save two point one billion dollars elsewhere. And I'm
31:55
Speaker 6: sure it's going to go to things like the SRL
31:58
Speaker 6: in Melbourne to cover this urban rail loop or worse
32:01
Speaker 6: to go off, and they're going to try and pay
32:02
Speaker 6: off their debt with this because labor cannot manage money.
32:05
Speaker 6: And now they're taxing our farmers to cover up their waste.
32:10
Speaker 3: Just the other day though they announce something like three
32:13
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty million dollars to upgrade that the Formula
32:16
Speaker 3: one track at Albert Park. I mean, surely paying for
32:21
Speaker 3: fire services is core business of government that should be
32:25
Speaker 3: done first and find slug me a levee. But I
32:27
Speaker 3: don't volunteer on the weekend. Surely, if you're volunteering in
32:31
Speaker 3: the fibergate on the weekend, it shouldn't have to pay
32:33
Speaker 3: the levee.
32:36
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's not a person watching your show at the
32:38
Speaker 6: moment that things. Volunteers should be slugged an increase tax
32:42
Speaker 6: for those that go out where I get caught out
32:44
Speaker 6: at midnight and go out and fight fires, whether it's
32:46
Speaker 6: for an hour or two weeks, they go and do
32:49
Speaker 6: it each and every time without question. And as you
32:51
Speaker 6: just said, then every single person with a budget at
32:54
Speaker 6: home has to take priorities of where they're going to
32:56
Speaker 6: spend their money. And this government has the wrong priorities continuously.
33:01
Speaker 6: And I know you mentioned about the f one grand
33:03
Speaker 6: prix and the three hundred and fifty million, there's one
33:05
Speaker 6: section worse than that. Not only have they gone out
33:08
Speaker 6: and negotiated a new contract which is costing an extra
33:10
Speaker 6: three hundred and fifty million for the upgrade, they've also
33:13
Speaker 6: allowed f one Grand Prix Association to take over the
33:17
Speaker 6: most profitable part of that they track, which is the
33:20
Speaker 6: hospitality section within the paddock. This is something that Victorian
33:24
Speaker 6: businesses used to have a chance to go in get
33:26
Speaker 6: some income and ensure that they could survive. That's now
33:29
Speaker 6: been sold off. So the government spent taxpayers money to
33:32
Speaker 6: stop Victorians.
33:33
Speaker 2: Had an opportunity.
33:34
Speaker 6: That's continuation of how this government operates across the state.
33:37
Speaker 2: And who pays.
33:38
Speaker 6: It's the farmers, it's everyone who owns infrastructure.
33:40
Speaker 2: They're continuing to pay the price.
33:44
Speaker 3: All right, that's been really really clear. Then to voters tonight,
33:46
Speaker 3: where do you stand on this levee.
33:49
Speaker 6: Our priority right at the moment, Peter is we do
33:52
Speaker 6: not support this levee. Our goal is to make sure
33:55
Speaker 6: it does not go through this Thursday.
33:57
Speaker 2: We have said to every person that was here.
33:58
Speaker 6: Today that I've spoken to commitment to them. We need
34:01
Speaker 6: to work exceptionally hard to stop it going through this
34:04
Speaker 6: week because farmers won't survive to the next election if
34:07
Speaker 6: this goes through, If the government gets the numbers and
34:10
Speaker 6: the Greens or the Animal Justice Party or any of
34:13
Speaker 6: those other minor parties fold or give up something else
34:16
Speaker 6: and sell out farmers. We will then go and meet
34:18
Speaker 6: with the farmers and find the best way forward. So
34:20
Speaker 6: we've got a fair attack system. But right at the
34:23
Speaker 6: moment we must stop it. That is our priority. I've
34:25
Speaker 6: promised that to the farmers that will work to do
34:27
Speaker 6: this week and that is my commitment to them.
34:30
Speaker 2: All right, Brad, thank you for coming on the show.
34:32
Speaker 2: I know you've got to go back to the Parliament.
34:33
Speaker 2: Thank you.
34:34
Speaker 3: Let's cross now to South Australia. We're a thirteen year
34:36
Speaker 3: old transgender girl, so a biological boy has broken a
34:40
Speaker 3: number of girls records at a recent sports day. This
34:43
Speaker 3: has led to parents to the private Catholic school to
34:45
Speaker 3: express their anger and disappointment. One dad told news dot
34:49
Speaker 3: com do AU that parents failed and I quote the
34:51
Speaker 3: school was wronging their kids in the name of fairness.
34:55
Speaker 3: They were making it completely unfair for ten or fifteen
34:58
Speaker 3: or twenty other girls in Liberal Senator Leah Blithe has
35:02
Speaker 3: released a statement calling for an immediate action to protect
35:05
Speaker 3: fairness in girls' school sports. I'm pleased to say the
35:08
Speaker 3: Senator that will Leah b Live joins me. Now, well, Senator,
35:12
Speaker 3: you know how on earth is this fair?
35:17
Speaker 11: It's a great question, and something that I ask myself
35:20
Speaker 11: is how is this fair? If we are encouraging young
35:24
Speaker 11: girls to play sport and we say to them, train hard,
35:27
Speaker 11: work hard, and we should be able to offer them
35:30
Speaker 11: a level playing field, It's not fair for them to
35:33
Speaker 11: have to compete against boys who have a clear biological
35:36
Speaker 11: advantage over them. And I'm really concerned. I'm the mother
35:40
Speaker 11: of two girls, and I'm really concerned about the message
35:43
Speaker 11: that this sends to all girls in terms of participation.
35:46
Speaker 11: I don't want any girls feeling like they don't want
35:50
Speaker 11: to compete because there's no point.
35:54
Speaker 3: At the last election and during the campaign I spoke
35:56
Speaker 3: to Peter Dutton about and he said all the right
35:58
Speaker 3: things behind closed door, and then had a position that
36:02
Speaker 3: you know, caged in common sense terms, but didn't really
36:06
Speaker 3: do anything about it, to never put a bill up
36:08
Speaker 3: in the Parliament. I know your colleague and Senator Claire
36:11
Speaker 3: Chandler had put a billion to protect girls' sports, so
36:14
Speaker 3: it didn't go anywhere. Is this something you're going to
36:17
Speaker 3: prosecute now, particularly you've got a female leader in Susan Lee.
36:22
Speaker 3: Surely this has got to be back on the table.
36:27
Speaker 11: I think it has to be Peter, and I think
36:29
Speaker 11: looking at the recent Supreme Court decision coming out of
36:32
Speaker 11: the UK, we have to get back to sex based
36:37
Speaker 11: rights and in Australia, let's be honest, if we can't
36:40
Speaker 11: define what a girl or a woman is and we're
36:43
Speaker 11: not willing to use biology to define that, then we
36:48
Speaker 11: have no sex based rights in this country. And I
36:51
Speaker 11: think it is at the detriment or to the detriment
36:54
Speaker 11: of all girls and women particularly that are trying to
36:57
Speaker 11: play sport in our country. So I think for me
37:01
Speaker 11: it is certainly back on the table. I've been inundated
37:04
Speaker 11: with contact from families, mums, dad's, grandparents from all across
37:10
Speaker 11: South Australia who were sharing very very similar experiences that
37:14
Speaker 11: was reported here over the weekend.
37:19
Speaker 3: Senator Blithe, thank you. See that little example there shows
37:23
Speaker 3: exactly what mockery quotas is. If we've got a school
37:26
Speaker 3: sport race, we've got a biological boy running around as
37:29
Speaker 3: a transgender girl, that's okay. We've got to have quotas
37:33
Speaker 3: to get women into parliament.
37:34
Speaker 2: Give me a break.
37:35
Speaker 3: After the break the progars a candidate who's actually calling
37:38
Speaker 3: for segregation of sexes in the UK. Plaus We'll talk
37:42
Speaker 3: about the Starma government and this big backflip of assorts
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Speaker 3: on visa rules. Is this fair income or is this
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Speaker 3: about Nigel Faraj? Welcome back, Adam Crichton, Terry Barnes coming up.
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Speaker 3: We'll get into productivity and a whole lot of issues
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Speaker 3: around today. Let's go to the UK where where former
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister current Prime Minister Sekis Starmer has unveiled sweeping
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Speaker 3: reforms to slash migration. So he says he's promised to
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Speaker 3: bring down numbers significantly by the end of his parliamentary term.
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Speaker 3: That's still four and a bit years away. Now he's
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Speaker 3: talking a big game, but it's hard not to see
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Speaker 3: this as a bit of a cynical ploy, given he's
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Speaker 3: losing ground rapidly to Nigel Faraj's Reform Party. Joty renown
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Speaker 3: to unpack this, ad More sky New's contributor, of course,
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Speaker 3: the wonderful author Iron Herciali. I aren't welcome to the program.
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Speaker 3: How genuine is this attempt by Starmer to regain control
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Speaker 3: of Britain's borders?
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Speaker 14: Peter Lovely to see you. I think this is just
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Speaker 14: empty words. I see this because I compare Donald Trump campaigned,
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Speaker 14: for instance, on closing the southern border, and if you
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Speaker 14: look at the results, you compare those of the Prime
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Speaker 14: Minister of the United Kingdom Kiosk, who made the exact
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Speaker 14: same noises several times that he was going to crack
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Speaker 14: down on immigration. But in the first quarter of twenty
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Speaker 14: twenty five, the small boat crossings into the UK went
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Speaker 14: up by forty percent compared to last year around the
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Speaker 14: same time. Trump has been in office for only one
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Speaker 14: hundred days and the crossings through the southern border have
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Speaker 14: gone down by ninety two percent. And so that is
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Speaker 14: if you know, elections have consequences, and what we are
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Speaker 14: seeing with Keir Starmer is that the last local election
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Speaker 14: when Labor lost and lost badly and the Reformed Party
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Speaker 14: of Nigel farajwon, he's gone back to again deploying that
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Speaker 14: rhetoric that he thinks speaks to the average person in Britain.
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Speaker 14: But the policies, this is, the actions speak louder than words,
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Speaker 14: and it just tells us that his words are quite empty,
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Speaker 14: specially compared to President Trump, who has been in office
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Speaker 14: for only one hundred and managed a ninety two percent drop.
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Speaker 2: In border crossings.
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Speaker 3: We look at all the polls in relations the Poles
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Speaker 3: in relation to Nigel Varaj and those significant wins they
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Speaker 3: had in the local council elections.
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Speaker 2: Do you see this issue as.
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Speaker 3: One of the driving issues for reform.
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Speaker 14: It's absolutely, it is the driving issue. It is immigration
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Speaker 14: and Islam, and it is the British people, like many
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Speaker 14: other Europeans, who haven't been consulted about what many of
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Speaker 14: them feel to be an invasion. They don't even call
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Speaker 14: it immigration anymore. Feels like an invasion. And these politicians
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Speaker 14: saying the right things when they think they need the electorate,
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Speaker 14: but once they come into office doing the exact opposite.
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Speaker 14: And so this is exactly what's driving it. And we're
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Speaker 14: going to see everywhere we're seeing populist parties and new
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Speaker 14: parties on the rise, and I think that's what's driving
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Speaker 14: Kirstamus rhetoric.
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Speaker 3: Talk to me about this progas I can who want
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Speaker 3: to stay in the council election campaigning for gender segregation.
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Speaker 3: This is in Lancashire and it rises. I think real
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Speaker 3: concerns about sectarianism but parallel value systems. And now we've
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Speaker 3: talked about Sharia law, but I mean this is an
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Speaker 3: eighteen year old candidate. She wants Buslim men and women
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Speaker 3: not to mix freely.
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Speaker 14: In Britain, well, immigration also has consequences, and in Britain,
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Speaker 14: the Muslim brotherhood especially is very well established and their
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Speaker 14: tactic is to gain power one council at a time
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Speaker 14: through elections. This woman was made to stand for elections.
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Speaker 14: And what she is proposing is sharier law through the
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Speaker 14: front door, Sharia law that is going to eat. We've
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Speaker 14: seen this in Michigan and Hamtrakt where the entire council
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Speaker 14: gets a majority of the Islamists and the Islamists wants
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Speaker 14: to introduce Sharia law and they vote on that. So
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Speaker 14: basically what she's proposing is let's segregate men and women.
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Speaker 2: She said, or she is.
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Speaker 14: I haven't heard her say this, but I've read some
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Speaker 14: of the quotes that Muslim men, Muslim women don't like
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Speaker 14: to be around Muslim men. And the question is why
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Speaker 14: is that I interpreted this as we've had this explosive
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Speaker 14: debate about the rape gangs and the implication and many
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Speaker 14: Imams have said this previously. If you don't want women
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Speaker 14: to be raped and assaulted and attacked, then we have
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Speaker 14: to have gender segregation. In other words, it's the sharier solution,
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Speaker 14: and they say ISLAMI is the solution and that's what
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Speaker 14: this woman is implementing.
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Speaker 3: It harks back to time in Australia where we had
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Speaker 3: an imam say that women who don't cover up when
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Speaker 3: they're out in public, this is non Muslim women.
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Speaker 2: Basically they're asking for it.
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Speaker 3: The quote went to uncovered meat or something like that.
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Speaker 3: It was a huge outcry at the time, but I
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Speaker 3: thought we'd moved on from all of that. Ian Hessy, Ali,
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Speaker 3: thank you. We'll catch here soon. Halfter the Breakdownald Trump
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Speaker 3: hails this reset of relations with China. This is about
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Speaker 3: tariffs and a deal. What is it and how long
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Speaker 3: will it last? Plus concerned the government has moved the
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Speaker 3: NDIS out into.
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Speaker 2: The Health portfolio. Critics say it will undermine the scheme.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back.
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Speaker 3: I want to return to the PM's trip to Rome,
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Speaker 3: and I make again the fact that at the swearing
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Speaker 3: inn at Government House today he made an affirmation, not
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Speaker 3: an oath, so no Bible have a look him.
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Speaker 13: Anthony Norman Albanezi, do solemnly and sincerely affirm and declare
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Speaker 13: that I will well and truly serve the Comwealth of Australia,
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Speaker 13: her Land and her people in the Office of Prime stuff.
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Speaker 2: It's fine.
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Speaker 3: A lot of the labor people, probably most of them
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Speaker 3: now don't touch the Bible. But contrast this with how
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Speaker 3: he was speaking about his trip to Rome for the
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Speaker 3: Pope's inauguration.
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Speaker 15: My mum would be pretty pretty chuffed at the idea
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Speaker 15: that her son will be going as prime Minister to
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Speaker 15: see the inauguration of a pope in the Vatican City.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in my paddle.
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Speaker 3: Senior fellow and chief economist of the IBA Ad and
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Speaker 3: Crichton and a columnist at The Spectator, Terry Barnes, Well.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't sit comfortably with me. I'm a Catholic, right
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Speaker 3: and we all know everyone's faith is private and it
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Speaker 3: ebbs and flows. But he put his faith out there
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Speaker 3: front and center all the way during the campaign. I'd say,
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Speaker 3: cravenly to pick up the votes of people out.
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Speaker 2: In Western City, Western Melbourn who.
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Speaker 3: Have a strong faith but gets there to be sworn
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Speaker 3: in and doesn't want to touch the Bible like it's kryptonite.
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Speaker 2: Isn't amazing. I mean, this is a bloke.
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Speaker 12: When Pope Francis died said that his mum the same
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Speaker 12: mum you're talking about gave him three great plays, a
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Speaker 12: Catholic Church, a Labor Party and South Sydney Rabbitots. Now,
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Speaker 12: when it comes to it, as you say, he was
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Speaker 12: out there trying to put his faith on his sleep
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Speaker 12: and tell everybody he's a good, good, faithful, moral person.
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Speaker 12: But when he has the chance to actually swear to
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Speaker 12: go buy a while to God, he doesn't. So it
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Speaker 12: seems to me that all he wants to do is
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Speaker 12: actually get on the plane, go to Rome, be a well,
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Speaker 12: basically a sleep.
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Speaker 3: I've had a con tourist at a con tourist talk
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Speaker 3: to me about the US and China and this what
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Speaker 3: we call it a approchemont.
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Speaker 2: Do we call it a deal on tariffs? What do
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Speaker 2: we know? Well, look, a's certainly great news.
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Speaker 4: I mean the tariffs we're going to be one hundred
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Speaker 4: and forty five percent on one side and one hundred
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Speaker 4: and thirty percent on the other, and they've come down
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Speaker 4: to thirty and I think ten respectively or twenty. So
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Speaker 4: that's a massive production. It's equivalent to hundreds of billions
45:37
Speaker 4: of dollars of extra stimulus between those two economies. It's
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Speaker 4: a great thing, but it's just for ninety days. So
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Speaker 4: I know Donald Trump calls it a total reset, but
45:44
Speaker 4: he's the great exaggerator, as you know. And I think
45:47
Speaker 4: you're going to find more heat and light, you know,
45:49
Speaker 4: in the next eight basically after eighty days when they
45:51
Speaker 4: come to innegotiate, we're going to see more. I don't
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Speaker 4: think the chor issues have been resolved, but it's a
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Speaker 4: good thing, and it's very good for Australia. He's anything
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Speaker 4: bad for China is very bad for our exports.
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Speaker 3: What do we make at the Live A Party of
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Speaker 3: Leadership today, Well.
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Speaker 12: I didn't have much confidence either candidate, to be honest
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Speaker 12: with you, Peter, I mean, but look, I'll give Susan
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Speaker 12: Lee a chance, but my expectations of her performing are
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Speaker 12: actually very low in terms of policy, in terms of
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Speaker 12: being able to reunite the party, in terms of keeping
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Speaker 12: the coalition together. But certainly I think she has eighteen
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Speaker 12: months and no more in terms of getting the coalition
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Speaker 12: back on an even keel, but actually showing that the
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Speaker 12: coalition both parties have the policy chops to do the job,
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Speaker 12: which they didn't show in the debarcle on the third
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Speaker 12: of Bay. But the other thing is neither she or
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Speaker 12: Angus Taylor actually took responsibility for that debarcle. I think
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Speaker 12: that's something they have to own up to.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they can't just throw this all at Peter Dunn.
46:43
Speaker 3: I mean she was the deputy leader, right, so she's
46:46
Speaker 3: basically admitting if she's not taking responsibility, she was admitting
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Speaker 3: that she was a fig leaf, you know, a feather duster,
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Speaker 3: that she had no say in the room. That's not
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Speaker 3: what you want in the leadership contender. And of course
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Speaker 3: she's now the leader. And I have to say, observing
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Speaker 3: leaders Terry, as you've done too, there's often no right answer, right,
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Speaker 3: there could be for right answers. You've got to make
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Speaker 3: a judgment call. You've got to back yourself and this
47:06
Speaker 3: will be the test. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Look, I think the worry for Susan here she's been
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Speaker 4: in the Parliament. I think it's just one and I
47:12
Speaker 4: really don't know what she stands for. I should know something,
47:14
Speaker 4: so I'm very interested as to you know, what a
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Speaker 4: stance is on immigration, fiscal policy net zero, But we.
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Speaker 2: Don't know yet.
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Speaker 4: But I think a leader has to be malleable and
47:22
Speaker 4: then she's going to have to work out what's you know,
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Speaker 4: you know what is you know, what is politically saleable
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Speaker 4: and and you know, the lead the party back from
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Speaker 4: the brink that zero.
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Speaker 12: Think but even today she was saying, look, I will
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Speaker 12: consult with my colleagues. I mean she's going to be
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Speaker 12: led by them or is she going to leave them?
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Speaker 2: Well, the factions, Terry, you know how it works in
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Speaker 2: your south right.
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Speaker 4: So well, it's a national party really at the moment
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Speaker 4: where all the policy development is. I mean, they are
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Speaker 4: seemingly going to dump net zero, you know, thank goodness,
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Speaker 4: and I think that they may even drag the coalition
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Speaker 4: away from that zero, the Liberal Party rather from net zero.
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Speaker 4: You know, we've got this extraordinary situation where we have
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Speaker 4: Tony Blair on the same side as the National Party
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Speaker 4: when it comes to.
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Speaker 3: Next zero at Labour and the Liberal Party potentially over there.
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Speaker 4: So look, if you know, if net zero is not
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Speaker 4: good enough for Tony Blair, the former Labor Prime Minister,
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Speaker 4: then it shouldn't be good for the Liberals I think,
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Speaker 4: and that is where they're going to end.
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Speaker 2: I think they should jump out composing oh.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, because it gives them an economic framework to take
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Speaker 4: to the next election. Then they're clearly not willing to
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Speaker 4: campaign on tax form or welfare reform because that's just
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Speaker 4: too hard. But I think something yes, and very expensive,
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Speaker 4: but net zero is something that I think they can
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Speaker 4: link the cost of living, which is clearly a big issue,
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Speaker 4: and that's you know, that's the direction of the world's going.
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Speaker 4: I mean, the so called transition is slowing down despite.
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Speaker 3: All rhetoric, and sixty five percent of countries in terms
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Speaker 3: of the bigger minitary not even in net zero. So
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Speaker 3: where the poor old monkey is going down the garden path.
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Speaker 12: Well, that's right, we've been cutting out of noses off
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Speaker 12: the spelled our posts. With net zero, I think the
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Speaker 12: National Party has got the right did David Liberal Proud
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Speaker 12: took it on board yesterday. Now he's got to take
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Speaker 12: it up to Susan Lee and her party. I mean
48:47
Speaker 12: it's a religion really.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think humans are responsible for four percent
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Speaker 4: of emissions and Australia one percent of that and we're
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Speaker 4: going to reduce that one percent of the four percent.
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Speaker 2: So it's just big jam gym I call him.
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Speaker 3: He's got some pressure now with some people coming in,
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Speaker 3: you know Dan Alino, which is great from the Ale.
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Speaker 3: Andrew Charlton, Cabinet Secretary we might see some pressure on Charmers.
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Speaker 4: Look I hope so. I mean Charmers, to his credit,
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Speaker 4: has said that he wants to make productivity the centerpiece
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Speaker 4: of this term, but he's also said he thinks that
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Speaker 4: he can't do it for six years.
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Speaker 2: Well no, I think he has done it now.
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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, he's They have a big mandate
49:18
Speaker 4: and they really shouldn't waste you know, they should do
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Speaker 4: hard things. A Productivity Commission is going to release a
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Speaker 4: report later this year to recommend stuff, some of which
49:25
Speaker 4: will be difficult, you know, the competition policy, speeding up approvals,
49:28
Speaker 4: things like that. So I just hope the Labour Party
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Speaker 4: seizes it because the country needs it. We're in a
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Speaker 4: productivity crisis. I mean, you know, it fell one point
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Speaker 4: two percent last year. You know, living standards are fall
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Speaker 4: and ten percent and the main reason is the appalling
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Speaker 4: productivity experience they've had.
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Speaker 3: Gents, not wrong, I'd see you both things. Wait, that's
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Speaker 3: even me. See tomorrow night.
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Speaker 2: Here's Andrew