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Football at Four: DiCecco's Eagles NFL Draft Notebook · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: I'll do my best for you. I know the show
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  Speaker 1: for you is April twenty third. Let's talk a little draft,
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  Speaker 1: little intel on a drifter because I want to see.
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  Speaker 1: Let me let's play a little hypothetical here. We know
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  Speaker 1: the aj brown stuff. We've been going through it for
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  Speaker 1: a while. If Philadelphia took a receiver at twenty three
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  Speaker 1: with that blue oh you away.
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  Speaker 2: No it wouldn't. For one, there's so much money invested
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  Speaker 2: on the defensive side, Mike, that they have to eventually
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  Speaker 2: start getting younger and drafting players on the offensive side
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  Speaker 2: to off set that, and knowing that receiver is a
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  Speaker 2: position of need. Regardless of what happens with Aj Brown,
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  Speaker 2: there's not a lot of depth there. Behind Aj and DeVante.
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  Speaker 2: You have a couple of one year signings in Hollywood,
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  Speaker 2: Brown and Elijah Moore. Darius Cooper's been a good story
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  Speaker 2: development after the one season, but they still need to
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  Speaker 2: add another player there to uplift that group and take
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  Speaker 2: it a little bit further. So it wouldn't surprise me.
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  Speaker 1: So is it a good group of receivers? Will there
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  Speaker 1: be some guys that the Eagles will need to decide
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  Speaker 1: on if they stay at twenty three?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Jordan Tyson is a player who's pretty interesting,
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  Speaker 2: Denzel Boston, but Mike, I even like the receivers that
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  Speaker 2: could fall within the Eagles range in the second round,
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  Speaker 2: namely Louisville's Chris Bell or Elijah Sarrett from Indiana as
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  Speaker 2: a player who I do like. And Ted Hurst he's
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  Speaker 2: probably going to be a third round pick, but he
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  Speaker 2: went to Georgia State. And you may say, well the
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  Speaker 2: level of competition, Well he went to the Senior Bowl,
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  Speaker 2: and I thought he acquitted himself. Well, he's six foot four,
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  Speaker 2: he runs a four to four four and tracks the DP.
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  Speaker 2: He would add that explosive develop element to an offense
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  Speaker 2: that sorely needs it. So there's a number of players
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  Speaker 2: there that if Eagles do weight and try to pounce
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  Speaker 2: on value, they should be able to find their guy.
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  Speaker 1: Andreel to Checko Football four powered by the Inside the
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  Speaker 1: Birds Podcast. Draft Day, April twenty third. Now we're getting
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  Speaker 1: there the receiver spot. We're looking at that obviously because
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  Speaker 1: of the AJ Brown stuff. This is a real outside
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  Speaker 1: the box thing. Maybe a little tinfoil cap, if you will.
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  Speaker 1: What if New England drafted a wide receiver. Would that
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  Speaker 1: say that trade is off the books? Would that say
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  Speaker 1: maybe the Eagles gave him a little elbow and said
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  Speaker 1: take that guy, because that's who we went back in return.
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  Speaker 2: I think that it would be more so maybe the trade.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe they're moving on and they've spent a lot of
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  Speaker 2: time evaluating a certain player. They added Dobbs, Romeo Dobbs
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  Speaker 2: and free agency, and they had a couple of other
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  Speaker 2: pieces there that like Keisham Boute and he's really more
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  Speaker 2: of a of a third receiver. But to me, it
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  Speaker 2: would signal that they've that they've probably moved on in
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  Speaker 2: their process as they continue to scout and evaluate players.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to get your opinion on this as well.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody thinks that Aj could be traded June first, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'll play along here. The Eagles think they're Super Bowl
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  Speaker 1: contenders in twenty twenty six. If you trade AJ Brown
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  Speaker 1: and don't get a player back in return to help
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  Speaker 1: this team, you get draft picks for twenty twenty seven.
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  Speaker 1: Does that make sense to you?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, in the sense that the twenty twenty seven draft
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  Speaker 2: I think is going to be really rich with talent,
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  Speaker 2: probably a little stronger of a class than this one.
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  Speaker 2: And if you're trying to rebuild the offense and add
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  Speaker 2: younger players, particularly at the offensive line, wide receiver, tight,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they just have to get a lot younger,
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  Speaker 2: and it's going to take a couple of years to
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  Speaker 2: do that. That would then arm the Eagles with optionality
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  Speaker 2: and flexibility there, and then the question becomes, well, who's
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  Speaker 2: replacing AJ Brown in this scenario? Because they don't have
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  Speaker 2: anybody obvious on the roster. I think Devonte Smith could
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  Speaker 2: be a one, but maybe you would have to explore
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  Speaker 2: a trade market. You're not going to find anyone in
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  Speaker 2: all likelihood that's released with that post June one that's
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  Speaker 2: going to give you equal talent, and it would leave
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles with a pretty sizable hole there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Now do you think there's a receiver at twenty three
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  Speaker 1: that could step in and be a player right away
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  Speaker 1: that you would say, you know what if they landed
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  Speaker 1: Tyson or Cooper that you would be intrigued to see
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  Speaker 1: Devonte Smith and that level of player.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Denzel Boston would fall into that category.
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  Speaker 2: I know, as you said, as you said, Jordan Tyson
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  Speaker 2: would fall into that category. Omark Cooper. I like him
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  Speaker 2: quite a bit, Mike, but more as a two, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm not so sure that he has headlining potential. He
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  Speaker 2: offers inside outside versatility very good after the catch. I
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  Speaker 2: think it might be a little rich at twenty three,
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  Speaker 2: ever so slightly. You could probably trade down a couple
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  Speaker 2: of spots and get them. I like the other players
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  Speaker 2: that I that I referenced a little bit more, especially
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  Speaker 2: in terms of their fit within the expected scheme. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I would feel pretty good about that receiving corps. You
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  Speaker 2: have two veterans as backups in Marquise Brown and Elijah Moore.
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  Speaker 2: You draft a rookie and you have Davonte Smith there,
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  Speaker 2: then you have whatever whoever else Darius Cooper and Johnny
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  Speaker 2: Wilson may be battling out for the fifth, maybe sixth spot,
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  Speaker 2: and that gives you a youth, confused, explosive, dynamic group
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  Speaker 2: of pass catchers, and you're able to get something worthwhile
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  Speaker 2: in return for AJ Brown. But I still maintain this,
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  Speaker 2: Mike the Eagle shouldn't just give AJ Brown away in
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  Speaker 2: a last ditch effort. They owe it to themselves to
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  Speaker 2: give them the best chance at making reaching a super Bowl,
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  Speaker 2: and AJ Brown gives them that opportunity. They're a better
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  Speaker 2: football team with AJ Brown on it unless they're blown away.
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  Speaker 2: I certainly wouldn't. I wouldn't hand them over for you know,
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  Speaker 2: for a song.
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  Speaker 3: Agree with that.
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  Speaker 1: That's the basis of you know, to me, if they
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  Speaker 1: don't get a player back now, your point is twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty seven draft. That's great, and I agree with what
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  Speaker 1: you're saying on that, But hey, I can't punt twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty six. I got a super Bowl level team. I
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  Speaker 1: can't give away a guy and not get a player
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  Speaker 1: back in return to help this particular team out. That's
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  Speaker 1: where I have hard time just trading him for draft
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  Speaker 1: picks for next year, even though next year's draft, as
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  Speaker 1: you said, is a stronger draft in your estimation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I think so. And I think
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  Speaker 2: that that would give the Eagles another year to continue
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  Speaker 2: to retool the offense, and then it'll be able to
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  Speaker 2: balance it out. You'll have a young defense and then
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  Speaker 2: a young offense that's ready to contend for many years
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  Speaker 2: to come. At least that's the way that I view it.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get a couple of more thoughts. Everybody's always texting
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  Speaker 1: when's Andrew gonna be giving us some draft nuggets? Well,
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  Speaker 1: we'll do it right now, all right, Let's get some
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  Speaker 1: more draft nuggets with Andrew May able to do a
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  Speaker 1: little mail bag with the question if what you want
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  Speaker 1: to do Jalen Phillips He left obviously, Uh, do you
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  Speaker 1: have a favorite guy that would be number one A
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  Speaker 1: twenty three or someone that you would be willing to
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  Speaker 1: trade up for to maybe replace Phillips. Is this a
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  Speaker 1: edge rusher class that you say there's some help.
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  Speaker 2: There, Yes, but I'm not sure, like you would have
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  Speaker 2: to trade up pretty It would be a pretty steep
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  Speaker 2: and trade up to get one of the preeminent pass
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  Speaker 2: rushers if they stampad at twenty three. Mike Keldrick falk
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  Speaker 2: Out of Auburn is a player who I like. He's young,
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  Speaker 2: He's six foot six, you like the length. He's a
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  Speaker 2: tool ze player. I believe that he offers the ability
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  Speaker 2: to drop in the coverage to do some of the
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  Speaker 2: things that he would be asked to do in a
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  Speaker 2: Vic Fangio system. But all that being said, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: sure that if you take him at twenty three, he's
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  Speaker 2: able to help you right away and give you the
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  Speaker 2: same level of impact, be able to take the lion's
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  Speaker 2: share of the snaps like a Jalhen Phillips did. It's
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  Speaker 2: a tough spot because that position needs a headliner, and
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  Speaker 2: if I'm the Eagles, probably the best method in getting
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  Speaker 2: that player would be via trade, whether that's Jonathan Bernard
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  Speaker 2: or a player who isn't really being discussed, because they
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  Speaker 2: could stand to add a veteran player who can one
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  Speaker 2: be the frontline guy in that group, command a lot
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  Speaker 2: more attention, allow someone like a jay loox Hunt and
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  Speaker 2: a Nolan Smith to get theirs, and really everybody would
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  Speaker 2: fall into their place. Jalox Hunt would be the two,
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  Speaker 2: Nolan Smith would be the three, Arnold A.
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  Speaker 3: W A.
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  Speaker 2: Katie would be the four, and that would be a
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  Speaker 2: pretty strong group of edge rushers. So for me, if
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  Speaker 2: you're looking for an impact player for the edge, the
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  Speaker 2: best course of action would be via trade.
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  Speaker 1: All right, that's a spot where I agree with you.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, I'm not I don't really have a
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  Speaker 1: guy that I see a twenty three that would be
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  Speaker 1: somebody that'd be all that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like there's there's second round guys like cash Is
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  Speaker 2: how from Texas A and m again more of a
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  Speaker 2: rotational guy, our Mason Thomas out of Oklahoma. He's undersized
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  Speaker 2: and I'm not sure that he's going to be more
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  Speaker 2: than a rotational player as a rookie. So as we're
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  Speaker 2: trying to look at that position, you need somebody that
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  Speaker 2: you're going to draft and know that they could step
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  Speaker 2: in there and absorb the full compliment or close to it.
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  Speaker 2: Because Jayalen Phillis was playing North of fifty snaps a game.
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  Speaker 2: You need somebody that can do that and lessen the
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  Speaker 2: burden on a j loox Hunt and a Nolan Smith.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Andrew over at Inside the Birds dot Com,
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  Speaker 1: you wrote about the safety room, which piece little insight there.
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  Speaker 1: I can't imagine unless they trade it way up, that
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  Speaker 1: they would be able to help the safety room with
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  Speaker 1: this with this pick. Correct Or do you like this
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  Speaker 1: class baby second third round area for a safety, because
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  Speaker 1: I gotta imagine that they've got to be looking at
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  Speaker 1: a safety in this in this class.
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  Speaker 2: No. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I have a hard time envisioning
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles being okay with this group. Now, what they've done,
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  Speaker 2: Mike is they've said they draft proofed the roster so
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  Speaker 2: that you can go into the draft and eliminate the
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  Speaker 2: need to feel compelled to reach it a position that
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  Speaker 2: you need. But in the first round, you're looking at
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  Speaker 2: Dylan Dylan, theeneman from Oregon, probably out of the Eagles reach.
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  Speaker 2: But then I look at Emmanuel McNeil Warren at a Toledo,
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  Speaker 2: probably gonna be a late first round guy six three,
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  Speaker 2: six' Four rangeye has the rapport already WITH. Quinnya mitchell
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  Speaker 2: for what it's. Worth and when you're considering about pairing
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  Speaker 2: a player with that kind of ranginess and ball skills
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  Speaker 2: Alongside drew, mccooba that really amplifies the athleticism on the back.
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  Speaker 2: End then you get a little bit later in the.
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  Speaker 2: Band you Have, kilgore the safety From South carolina who
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  Speaker 2: can play nickel or, safety sort of a hybrid type of,
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  Speaker 2: player plays a lot bigger than his listed Side South.
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  Speaker 2: Carolina The eagles have shown some interest in, him and
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  Speaker 2: then adri in the second. ROUND i would say someone
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  Speaker 2: like Aj halsey FROM lsu would fit the bill if
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  Speaker 2: you're looking for that second round. Safety the sweet spot
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  Speaker 2: for him might be pick sixty three when The eagles
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  Speaker 2: are on the. Clock SO i would imagine The eagles
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  Speaker 2: are not. DONE i do like them bringing Back Marcus,
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  Speaker 2: epps who gives you a baseline level of. Ability he's,
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  Speaker 2: smart he's, instinctive he knows the. System but he's best,
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  Speaker 2: suited at least in my, estimation to be a number three.
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  Speaker 1: Safety, yeah And Caleb, downs there's no shot you're getting.
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  Speaker 1: THERE i mean you would have to make a major jump,
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  Speaker 1: up and he would be the one safety that's got you.
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  Speaker 2: KNOW i, MEAN i guess him, play, yeah Blue chip.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly The oregon. KID i can't remember his.
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  Speaker 1: Name uh, yeah, yes, yes he's another one would be
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  Speaker 1: interesting to you, know maybe, that BUT i doubt you
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  Speaker 1: take a safety at twenty. Three but it's an interesting
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  Speaker 1: class for. Them BUT i definitely you know your article
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  Speaker 1: you point out that the current safety room you Got
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  Speaker 1: macouba And. EPPS i, mean, MAN i can't imagine you
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  Speaker 1: enter the season with those two.
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  Speaker 3: Guys Maybe i'm, wrong.
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  Speaker 2: So they're setting it. Up macouba right now is positioned
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  Speaker 2: to be the quote unquote headliner of the, group AND
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: i think he did some good. Things it's a shame
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  Speaker 2: that he injured he fractured his ankle late in the,
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  Speaker 2: season BECAUSE i could see him playing a lot, faster
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  Speaker 2: playing with more. Confidence has Good he covers a lot of,
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  Speaker 2: ground and his instincts were starting to take. Over now
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  Speaker 2: you need to add someone who compare with, him who
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  Speaker 2: gives you that athleticism and can because in the modern,
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  Speaker 2: era you have to be able, to you, know when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to matchups and being able to get out
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  Speaker 2: there in space and cover these dynamic tight ends and
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  Speaker 2: running backs and all. That you need someone with some,
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  Speaker 2: length with some, range And Marcus EPs is not that.
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  Speaker 2: Guy he's someone who you can trust and you can
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  Speaker 2: put back. There he knows what to. Do but it
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  Speaker 2: really limits the ceiling of that. Room Michael carter the
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  Speaker 2: SECOND i should also Mention mike is a player to
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  Speaker 2: keep an eye. On The eagles really like his. Versatility
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  Speaker 2: they traded for him at the. Deadline didn't factor in
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  Speaker 2: all that much as a, Nickel but my understanding is
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  Speaker 2: that he's going to factor in the mix here in
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  Speaker 2: that safety.
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  Speaker 3: Battle but that.
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  Speaker 2: Shouldn't preclude The eagles from drafting a safety and trying
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  Speaker 2: to bolster the.
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  Speaker 3: Group Bud clark. GUY i Like Bud. Clark oh, YEAH.
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  Speaker 2: Tcu he's a. Talker took of reminds me of J Garner.
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  Speaker 1: Johnson, YEAH i was thinking the same, thing all, right,
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  Speaker 1: Man andrew to checko next. Week of, course we will
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  Speaker 1: be within a week to the draft and the twenty
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  Speaker 1: Third draft, Night eagles pick twenty. THREE i know it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be fun for you because they got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of like you, know mid round, picks, third, fourth, fist
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  Speaker 1: they got multiple picks in those. ROUNDS i know you
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  Speaker 1: And adam did a good pod the other day looking
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  Speaker 1: at all the mid round, stuff so we'll get into
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  Speaker 1: some of that stuff here On football at For andrew
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  Speaker 1: To checko for The inside The birds, Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks, man thank, You talk soon.
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  Speaker 3: As, Always andrew to Check. O great on the. Draft