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194: Sister Wives - Am I My Brother's Keeper (S19 E3) · Reality TV Cringe

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Reality TV Cringe. I am one
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  Speaker 1: of your hosts, Delia here with my real tight homegirl
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  Speaker 1: and my daughter in law Beatri. Hi, everybody, we are
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  Speaker 1: here to talk sister wise. Yes, Logan had a wedding.
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  Speaker 1: Uh huh it was awkward, turtle unfortunately, very bittersweet according
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  Speaker 1: the fourth time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait to see that in twenty twenty seven.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Are we gonna be able to watch her home birth?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think?
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I really don't want Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sick of the birthing meat too. I didn't need
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  Speaker 1: any of the McKelty footage. No, I just for the record,
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  Speaker 1: I never need any machelty footage. But yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 1: care to see it, but I am happy for her.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. That's great, scoring family, it's lovely for you, great, fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, all right, well let's get into it. Season nineteen,
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  Speaker 1: episode three, entitled.
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  Speaker 2: Am I my Brother's Keeper?
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  Speaker 1: I don't get it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what that's in reference to.
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  Speaker 1: What does that mean?
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  Speaker 2: I wonder if that was a scene that was cut
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  Speaker 2: in the editing and they just forgot to change the title.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this is Logan's wedding? Is that the brother in question?
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  Speaker 2: Well, we don't even know. I mean, we know it's
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  Speaker 2: Logan's wedding, but nobody's saying it's actually Logan's wedding. It's
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  Speaker 2: just this mysterious event that everybody had to go to.
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  Speaker 1: It was a wedding, it was a bride and a
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  Speaker 1: groom with a bride.
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  Speaker 2: In a groom, so we all assume it's Logan's wedding.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, they're not saying it because the person doesn't
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  Speaker 2: want to be public, which is fine.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're still saying it. And once again, they
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  Speaker 1: know that this fandom knows every single thing about the
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  Speaker 1: Browning family. Yeah, and so we already know that Logan
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  Speaker 1: got married to Michelle in October of twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 1: I had to go back and look because I'm thinking,
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  Speaker 1: to myself, wait a minute, did that happen in twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty three? Are we moving the timeline forward? The answers, no, nope,
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  Speaker 1: October of twenty twenty two is when they got married.
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  Speaker 1: And furthermore, Logan and Michelle asked that no cameras would
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  Speaker 1: be there and that the family generally did not discuss
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  Speaker 1: the wedding.
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  Speaker 2: And yet they still did.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, We've got like twenty four minutes of going to
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  Speaker 1: the wedding, talking about the wedding without naming Logan and Michelle,
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  Speaker 1: and then downloading after the wedding and how it all went.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, the family themselves should know better than to
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  Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, I'm actually kind of surprised at Janelle specifically,
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  Speaker 1: Like if Janelle's son says, mom, I don't want y'all
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  Speaker 1: to talk about me, why are you filming yourself after
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  Speaker 1: the wedding talking about it and.
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  Speaker 2: Talking about how awkward and bittersweet and weird it was,
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  Speaker 2: and Cody being like, yeah, I didn't even want to
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  Speaker 2: go at first. I'm like, how terrible would it be
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  Speaker 2: to be Logan watching this and being like, oh, that's
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  Speaker 2: what my family felt on the day of my wedding,
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  Speaker 2: the happiest day of my life. Oh that's fantastic. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I would regret inviting them, Yes me as well, Like
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  Speaker 2: I can't believe that all of these adults couldn't just
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  Speaker 2: set aside their bullshit for one day, for a couple
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  Speaker 2: of hours, Yet all of you had to be weird
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  Speaker 2: and awkward. Nobody could be friendly and cordial to.
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  Speaker 1: Sit with each other, got to sit on the opposite aisle.
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  Speaker 1: So pathetic, very pathetic, so frustrating. Yeah, I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: think Janelle's trying to let us know that, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: she did the best that she could and that it
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  Speaker 1: was definitely a strange vibe. Like she saw Mary and
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  Speaker 1: she nodded to Mary and maybe set a high or
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  Speaker 1: a goodbye, but like nobody really talked to Mary. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Christine was a going to talk to Mary. I'm starting
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  Speaker 1: to feel really badly for Mary, me too. And she's
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  Speaker 1: taking it like a chap yeah, like on the couch,
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  Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, you know, there's some folks in the
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  Speaker 1: family that don't want to speak to me or hang
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  Speaker 1: out with me, and so I just gravitate toward the
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  Speaker 1: people who do want to be in my presence.
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  Speaker 2: Yikes.
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  Speaker 1: Which is a very mature outlook, but it's also it's
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  Speaker 1: got to hurt.
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  Speaker 2: It's sad actually, because we look at all of these
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  Speaker 2: rewind episodes and all of the family was like together
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  Speaker 2: and dealing with each other, even though they probably didn't
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  Speaker 2: like each other completely, but they were still trying to
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  Speaker 2: be a family. And now here we are in twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty two, and you guys still can't like put aside
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  Speaker 2: your crap for your child, your child who didn't ask
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  Speaker 2: for any of this.
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  Speaker 1: No, and like, this is the child arguably you probably
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  Speaker 1: owe the most too. Uh huh, this is the child
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  Speaker 1: that did most of the backbreaking work of parenting all
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  Speaker 1: these children. Like the least you could have done is
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  Speaker 1: set your shit aside, show up, put on a happy face,
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  Speaker 1: dance around like a crazy person. Code I smile, Janelle,
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  Speaker 1: and just let it be good for them.
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  Speaker 2: Yikes. See, like I give my family a lot of crap.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I talk about my family a lot on
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  Speaker 2: the podcast, but like just a personal story. We'll just
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  Speaker 2: go on. Let's go on, sensals, go on, censor wariant.
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  Speaker 1: of great content, but yeah, I don't know why it
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  Speaker 1: had to be that awkward, except again, when you go
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  Speaker 1: back to the timeline, I believe Christine left Cody in September,
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  Speaker 1: like that's when she packed up her house and she left.
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  Speaker 1: She told him before that that it was going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: She was having conversations, but she didn't actually scadaddle until
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  Speaker 1: September twenty twenty two, I believe, And so this is
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  Speaker 1: just one month after that, I guess. And I can
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  Speaker 1: see how Christine would be nervous, which she does tell
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  Speaker 1: the camera that she is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, I can see how Janelle is also, like, no,
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  Speaker 1: necessarily looking forward to it, although at this point, please
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  Speaker 1: keep in mind Janelle hasn't even had Christmas with Cody
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  Speaker 1: and that big fucking argument that was December twenty twenty two. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: yea yeah, So with Janelle at Logan's weddings, things are
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  Speaker 1: still kind of in the air, so it's interesting to
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  Speaker 1: kind of get a snapshot of how she was really
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  Speaker 1: feeling at the time. Yeah, but overall, I think the
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  Speaker 1: kids probably had a good time. Sure, I found it
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  Speaker 1: very strange, Beatrice that Cody said that his family was
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  Speaker 1: trying to pretend that they were having such a great
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  Speaker 1: time just to make him feel bad. That's like a
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  Speaker 1: glimpse into the mind of a narcissist.
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  Speaker 2: No, seriously, like, how could you take that personally that
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  Speaker 2: your family's trying to have fun at an event for Logan,
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  Speaker 2: Like they are trying to have fun for him because
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  Speaker 2: this is a terrible thing, Like the whole family's broken up.
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  Speaker 2: Cody is wild. And then Robin being like, yeah, some
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  Speaker 2: of the family came up to me and I love
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  Speaker 2: you from gay so that was good and I embraced him,
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  Speaker 2: but some of the others didn't want anything to do
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  Speaker 2: with me. Victim very much.
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  Speaker 1: So victim. And again Logan's wedding, this is even before
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  Speaker 1: the Christmas chat. Oh my gosh, before the Christmas Chat
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  Speaker 1: right right, I believe it's before the Christmas chat. So
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  Speaker 1: like all of those things haven't really even happened yet.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, so yet Cody and Robin are still acting
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  Speaker 2: like this.
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  Speaker 1: Still acting like victims.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: And the way Robin was phrasing it in her victimology
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  Speaker 1: was still like she was wondering who was going to
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  Speaker 1: come forward and kiss the ring, Like who's going to
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  Speaker 1: come forward and tell me that they love me or
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  Speaker 1: they're happy to see me. It's all about her.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I don't know if Brianna and Aurora and Dayton went.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if Solinari went. Robin does kind of
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  Speaker 1: address that a little bit with the little ones, like
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  Speaker 1: she doesn't necessarily want to get them involved in the
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  Speaker 1: family drama. So that's what's making her nervous about the wedding.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they were saying that in the context of
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  Speaker 2: Cody going back and forth between whether or not he
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  Speaker 2: wanted to go, where he was like, I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to be there, and then Robin's like, yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if I want to be there because I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to put Saul and Ari through that. And I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: shut up.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even think they went.
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  Speaker 2: Though, yeah, and their kids and they don't care.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I think Aurora and Briann, I
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  Speaker 1: think the older ones did go, if I recall correctly,
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  Speaker 1: I could be wrong though.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm sure they didn't interact with anybody, probably freaked
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  Speaker 2: out in the Christmas chap being like, you guys don't
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  Speaker 2: love us.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because it was an awkward vibe at the wedding. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and nobody got together for that Thanksgiving.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you also stole our dad, Like that's what
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  Speaker 2: I would think. That's a sibling.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm having an actual reaction to that, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: entitled to it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, but Brianna and Aurora. I don't know about Dayton
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  Speaker 1: because he's never really in a lot of these scenes. No, no,
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  Speaker 1: he's not talked about. But I think Aurora and Brianna
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  Speaker 1: are absolutely brainwashed, oh yeah, and had been programmed to
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  Speaker 1: feel this way. And I'm just wondering about a mother
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  Speaker 1: who would feel the need to make her children feel
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  Speaker 1: badly about a family that I think actually loves them.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't know why she's like that. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: it's projection though, because nobody likes Robin because you stole
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  Speaker 2: Cody away, Like that's the whole root of it. So
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  Speaker 2: then now you're going to brainwash her kids and think
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  Speaker 2: and make them think everybody hates them, just to isolate
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  Speaker 2: them even further so you have your own perfect little family. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: it's like that picture she created with Christine's kids and everything,
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  Speaker 2: and like it's that manifested manifested She's created her own
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  Speaker 2: family where it's always just been her and Cody and
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  Speaker 2: their kids and that's it. Nobody else exists.
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  Speaker 1: Right, And as Janelle speaks about it, she's like, as
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  Speaker 1: soon as Robin came into the family, there was just
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  Speaker 1: a separateness. She just didn't parent the way that Christine
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  Speaker 1: and I parented. And we'll get there when we get there,
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  Speaker 1: but it's always kind of been that way with Robin,
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  Speaker 1: and she just doesn't understand that she contributed to the
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: majority of the downfall of these relationships. Can not see
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: it the bold face lying it's like horse, I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: let Cody not visit the other wives and their kids,
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  Speaker 1: when that's exactly what she did. Yeah, when we're talking
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  Speaker 1: in the last season about the calendar and the schedule
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  Speaker 1: and how often Cody was actually there and he was
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  Speaker 1: only there from sundown to son up over one night, Like, Robin,
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  Speaker 1: you know this consciously that this is what happened. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but you're lying to us. Crazy, it's so crazy making.
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  Speaker 2: When she was saying that about Saul and Arii and
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  Speaker 2: she was like, yeah, I've never used the kids as
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  Speaker 2: an excuse for him to not see the wives, I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: what are you talking about? That was literally was it
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  Speaker 2: last season or the season before where she was like, no,
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  Speaker 2: Ari needs her dad.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I mean there was when Cody was moving Mary
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  Speaker 1: into the B and B that she has right, he
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: couldn't be gone for very long. There was also Isabelle's surgery,
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  Speaker 1: like he couldn't go because of COVID and also he
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: can't be Oh, he can't be away from Ari that long.
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  Speaker 1: So those two right there off the top of my
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  Speaker 1: old head. Yeah, I remember how you absolutely limit the
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  Speaker 1: amount of time that Cody can spend with his family exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And then she's still lying about it. I just it's
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  Speaker 2: mind boggling to me. But then when we get to
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  Speaker 2: the Djenga scene and she looks so fucking unhappy.
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  Speaker 1: She's so dour. Oh my gosh, she's so morose.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm like, what is it like? Are you just
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  Speaker 2: miserable and lying and covering up for Cody because you
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  Speaker 2: feel like you have to, Like is this like a
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  Speaker 2: battered wife type situation? Or are you just like a
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  Speaker 2: miserable person and you're just lying so that way you
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  Speaker 2: can get through all of this hatred and shit, the
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  Speaker 2: show can get canceled and you can be on with
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  Speaker 2: your life.
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  Speaker 1: Or the alternative? Do you want to appear like you're
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  Speaker 1: unhappy and appear like you're depressed, and appear like you're
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  Speaker 1: missing your other children and the other wives, so that
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  Speaker 1: people will have some sympathy and compassion for you.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's actually that I don't think she feels that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think she wants those kids around. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think she wants them eating out of her fridge. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think she wants to have to compete with the
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  Speaker 1: other wives. I think she's very happy to have Cody
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  Speaker 1: all to herself, but she feels she needs to project
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  Speaker 1: this depression so that people feel like she has feelings.
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  Speaker 2: She doesn't, No, she really does, she does not, but
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  Speaker 2: she does look unhappy with Codys Like, I can't imagine
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  Speaker 2: that you're actually happy with Cody Brown, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean? Like, how happy is your marriage with this angry,
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  Speaker 2: punitive balding man. Really?
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  Speaker 1: I think she was really conscious of the cameras too,
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  Speaker 1: because I was watching her constantly look to the side
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  Speaker 1: to check where the cameras were, and so she was
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  Speaker 1: always aware of like what kind of expression she was holding. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So I don't trust anything out of her at all
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  Speaker 1: me either. He's like, not at that level to me,
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  Speaker 1: like he doesn't necessarily really care what he says who
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  Speaker 1: hurts in a moment. Whereas Robin is very careful about
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  Speaker 1: what she projects to the public because she knows that
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  Speaker 1: we're judging her, Cody doesn't give a fuck.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and even though she's like, she's not even that
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  Speaker 2: careful because she lies so much and she catches, she's
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  Speaker 2: not catching herself in these lies. Like, if you're this
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  Speaker 2: fucking smart, you should have your lies straight, girl, but
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: you can't even do that. You're just talking over yourself.
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  Speaker 2: In season nineteen and season eighteen, it's like, it's crazy
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  Speaker 2: to me.
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  Speaker 1: Well, sometimes you lie so much that you start to
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  Speaker 1: believe your own lies. Maybe that's where she is with it,
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  Speaker 1: and maybe she just thinks if she lies enough, people
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  Speaker 1: will start to believe her. Not this group, honey, not
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: these raccoons, Not this mands. We've been following since season
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  Speaker 1: what we have been following your family. We've seen the
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  Speaker 1: footage of you kicking the dog, bitch, oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: We've seen all the things that you have done and.
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  Speaker 2: The fridge stuff like not letting the kids get out
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  Speaker 2: of the fridge. I love that Janelle called them you.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, we've been talking about it for years.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we have. And so then we have the next
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  Speaker 2: scene where Cody's kind of talking about his relationship with Mary.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, I think it's over with now.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's stop right there, right because this is the
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: perfect example, yes, of what caused Mary the confusion for
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  Speaker 1: all of these years, because we've already had the conversation
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: out on Coyote Pass at the picnic table with very
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  Speaker 1: much a lot of clarity. We've said like, it's never
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  Speaker 1: gonna work. Yep, it's never ever gonna happen. And Mary
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  Speaker 1: made the decision to walk away as well. And I
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: don't know how many months have passed since then, I
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  Speaker 1: want to say at least half the year, if not longer,
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  Speaker 1: and you're doing the same shit again. Yep, I think
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  Speaker 1: we're broken up. Like what the.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: Fuck do you mean? I don't understand. And then he
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  Speaker 2: will acknowledge that he has been going back and forth.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, I understand that Mary's confused, Like I get it,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, I mean, it's been over with for years.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, okay, so what is it?
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  Speaker 1: Then he doesn't know. He talks out of both sides
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  Speaker 1: of his mouth. He's insufferable.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: It's so frustrating.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, but Mary has to take a responsibility for
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: her choice to stay in an unclear situation without any
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: intimacy or communication for as long as she did. That's
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: on her. But you can kind of see how a
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: woman of faith who wants to keep her family together
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: would be confused by somebody who vacillates as much as
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: Cody Brown does. Of course, but like, as soon as
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: you see the footage though, the same things we saw,
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: we see with him sitting on the couch, and yeah,
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: how he speaks of her like I could never date
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: her right like, if I was single right now, I
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: would not have anything to do with her. So this
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: is an unkind thing to say that you don't need
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: to actually voice, Like why does he say that?
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Why does he feel the need to say shit like that?
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: At the same time, you're bitching about how your wives,
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: your ex wives are talking so much shit about you
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: and villainizing you to everybody and to your children, and
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: then you say this crap about them on TV. If
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: I was single, Mary is single, I would never date her.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: And you wonder why the kids have a hard time
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: with you because you're talking about their mothers. Hello, oh
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: they love yeah, and who love them? I mean, it's
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: not it's not a mystery why this is happening to you.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: But he's still asking the question, what have I done wrong? Yeah,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: i'se crackers.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: So crazy. And then he also had to say that
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: he thinks that him and Janelle could reconcile, which I'm like,
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: is crazy, he says us on the couch. So this
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: is after the whole Christmas conversation. I imagine I'm assuming. I
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: don't know. I guess we can't get cured.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: I personally think, based on his balding, we're looking at
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: a Cody in these scenes from like late twenty twenty
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: three or spring of twenty twenty four, like a more
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: recent Cody. So yeah, So he's got some time away
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: from the Christmas argument and being told to go fuck himself,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: and he's realizing what he's losing. He's probably starting to
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: come to terms. If it's twenty twenty four, baby, Yeah,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: he's coming to terms with the fact that he's gonna
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: have to sell his house, that he doesn't have Janelle's money.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: So maybe that's why he sees a world where they
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: can reconcile. Yeah, but Janelle doesn't want any part of it.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: She doesn't think she will ever have to see him
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: again after Logan's wedding.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Right, which is crazy. That's why I want her to
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: get her whole. I don't know, Annulman or whatever the
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: fuck you call it really from the Mormon Church. I'm like,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: get released from this dude so you don't have to
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: spend eternity with him on Colob if that's what.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: They weren't going to do that anyway, though, you and
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: I know that, right what they're not going to Colob.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean yeah, but like if you believe that,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: if you're still believing in the faith, the.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Well, but like last week you said that a Mormon
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: woman who was sealed to one man could leave that
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: man and go to another man and get sealed to
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: a second man and a third or a fourth man,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: so maybe she can bounce around among the planets. Well,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I'm going to fly to this guy's planet for a
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: little while, Cody, I'll check you out later.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Well, Ethel did correct me on that. She's like, actually,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: it's wrong. She's like, you can marry other people. You
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: are only sealed to one person.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you can't have multiple ceilings.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: No, so unless you get unsealed, I think, and then
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: maybe get resealed text me and be like, no, it's
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: still wrong.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: I bet if she if she gets unsealed to Cody,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: then she can seal to somebody else's wig exam would
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: be the incentive, because she is still open to polygamy.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: The incentive to get that release would be so that
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: she can move on into another relationship. She's just not
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: there yet, yeah, and doesn't want to. But honey, you
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: don't want to die sealed to Cody Brown. That sounds
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: like an awful, chaotic planet that you don't want to
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: be on. Y O, good grief.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: I don't get it. And then we have the scene
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: in Robin and Cody's house, which I surprised we were
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: in the house this time, where their family is playing
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Jenga on the floor eating caramel apples from the QBC
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: and they look miserable.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: But did you look at those caramel apples because it
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: looked like she cut the she cut just down to
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: the core and put like a stick in it. I'm like,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: who eats the core of an apple? Unless I'm missing something,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: But I did stop it and look very closely, and
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: I thought I saw apple seeds in the core uh
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: huh bazaar.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: She's very weird. I think she bought them from QBC
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: or something and was like, oh, look at us, We're
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: having caramel apples and playing Jenga. Were family.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Well when you compare and contrast the e budget of
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: the Jinga party with uh for example, last week when
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Christine's kids and Hunter are all at the table and
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Peyton Waltz is in and talks about working at a
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: strip club, like the energy is so different.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: It's so weird and forced, and was it Aurora. I
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: can never tell them apart because I don't really care
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: about them. But Aurora is like trying to act all happy,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: go lucky and teasing Cody, and poor little Ari is
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: trying to have fun playing Jinga because she's just a child.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: She's just a little kid stuck in this terrible family.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: And then Robin just staring.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: All weird, Goblin, Roblin, Robin the Goblin. Is this the
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: section where we get Cody talking about Aries saying that
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: she hates Christine? Yeah, and the way Cody tells it,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: like he immediately sets about to correct her, like we're
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: not just to hate our mothers. And she's like, well,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: but Christine left Daddy, so I hate Christine. And then Cody,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: when you think it can't get any worse, he says
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: something along the lines of and that's a type of
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: loyalty because that's all he wants, even if it's from
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: a five year old or a six year old child
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: who still has a pacifier. Yeah, that loyalty is enough
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: for him. And he uses that kind of as a
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: launching pad to then talk about the other older, potentially
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: adult children and how they also feel the same kind
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: of loyalty to their mom. But all I was thinking
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: when I was hearing him recount this was like, you
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: guys are talking mad shit about Christine in your house,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: because that's the only way that Ari would say something.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: And that also goes for when they went to say
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: goodbye to Christine, that really awkward goodbye that mackelty forced
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: yea last season, and Ari starts talking about just kiss daddy,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: you guys should date again or whatever she said that's
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: coming from inside the house. The call is coming from
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: inside the house.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Oh for sure, she's only repeating what she's hearing all
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: the time. But then Cody wants us to think that
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: the wives are just talking so much shit about him,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: and he's actually not that bad of a guy. He
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: didn't do anything wrong. He did all that he could.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: He was intimate with these wives, he was romantic with them,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: like I spend all my time with them. Okay, dude,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: when you're talking mad shit about the wives in front
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: of these kids, who also Robin is talking about how
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: they don't know their siblings, they don't know that the
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: family's broken up, Sonari, They're apparently unaware of the situation
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: at hand. And Robin doesn't talk about the other family
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: in front of the kids because she doesn't want to
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: hurt their feelings. But that's just another way of separating
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: her kids from everybody else.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Well, she doesn't want her kids to start asking questions
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: exactly if they're keeping the spirit and the name of
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: the siblings in the house, then of course salin ARII
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: are going to start wondering, well, where are they? And
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Robin even says they're going to wonder like, why aren't
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: they over at our house? Why aren't they over at
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: my birthday party? And every example that she gave was
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: the kids coming to them the same question could be
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: asked of you. Why aren't you taking your kids over
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: to see Garrison or to see Savannah they live in
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: the same time town, or over to see Gabe, or
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: have some sort of a lunch with those siblings. Why
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: aren't you organizing those types of things? Why does everybody
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: get to come over to your house?
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Exactly? And that's why I was talking about a couple
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: episodes ago, like with Cody and Robbin's philosophy on its
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: fifty to fifty relationships go two ways. But you're not
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: doing anything. You're not making any effort with anybody in
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: the family. So what you're really saying is that everybody
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: has to come to you. Everybody has to come cap
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: in hand and show their loyalty to Cody Brown writes
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: clan or whatever his club that he has in order
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: for him to give his love and his respect to
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: his family. It's wild.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: It's not how it works, Noah. And so consequently, what
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Robin is doing is she is allowing the children to
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: forget that they even have six exactly, further entrenching the
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: separation between your family and everybody else. Like there are
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: things you could be doing right now to cultivate relationships
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: outside of marriages, like, yeah, Janelle doesn't need to be
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: married to Cody for you to have a relationship with
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: her kids. And she even says in this episode, like,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: you know mckelte should have a relationship with Robin. Sure,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: any of the kids who want to have a relationship
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: with Cody and Robin, that is exactly what they should
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: be able to do. And she supports it. But we
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: know it's not happening because not even Cody and not
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: even Robin want it. They're not trying to do that.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Yep. Robin gives me the typical like stepmom vibe of
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: like I married your dad, so you should accept me
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: no matter what, even though I'm going to be a
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: total bitch. I'm not gonna act like I like you
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: at all, and I'm not going to make any effort
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: to make you a part of my family. But if
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: you show any kind of resistance to that or criticism
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: to that, then I'm going to vilify you. Like that's
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: like the mentality that Robin.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Has by victimizing myself exactly.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Yes, I hate it. Yes, kisses me off so much.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Like when Gwen was talking about how she was a
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: young girl she was in Robin's minivan, Robin was pregnant
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: with must have been Ari, and Gwen makes a childish
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: comment like, oh wow, we're going to have a sibling,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: a blood sibling or something like that, and Robin has
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: such a huge response, got super wounded and hurt by
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: it and made it all about her when Gwen was
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: just saying something that a kid would say. Of course
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: it doesn't need to be all that right, but that's
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: what Robin does. She catastrophizes.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and how are you going to get offended by
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: a child saying something stupid like that's how children are?
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: How are you gonna be as a grown ass adult.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: It's not even stupid, it's facts. Yeah, you could take
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: a moment and take some time to like explain the
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: situation and maybe reframe that for her because she's a
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: child exactly. But no, you're gonna get offended. You're gonna
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: become the victim, and this is going to perpetuate your
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: claim that they were never accepted into the family.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: It was just an innocent comment, yep, that you could
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: have parented. Oh yeah.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: But then Janelle calls it out and says that Cody
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: and Robin totally mismanaged how they handled their kids, And
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: I'm like, please give me more of this this season,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: because that is so honest and so true. Because they
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: didn't parent the kids in a way where they could
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: mesh the whole family together. They made that separateness, they
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: made it all the other kids feel like they were othered,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: and now you have this huge fucking mess. But miss
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: me with this whole Robin, I'm depressed. I'm going through
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: a season of depression and it's really hard with her
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: fake tears, Yeah, eating caramel apples.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, absolutely, Now I was watching Red Lipstick Reality TV,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: which by the way, is on YouTube. Love the channel.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: You should definitely check her out, subscribe she is, She's
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: the Besnys. But she was talking about how there's nothing
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: inherently wrong with the way that Robin parents versus somebody
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: like Christine and somebody like Janelle. Like Janelle and Christine
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: obviously had a much looser way that they parented, like
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Janelle's kids went into Christine's kitchen, ate up all the
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: food and vice versa. But Robin wasn't that kind of parent,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: and so maybe she wanted to have a little bit
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: more of a limitation on what the kids ate or
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: what they did in her home, and yeah, that's a
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: little bit more stuffy, But there's nothing inherently wrong with
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Robin parenting that way, And I would agree with that.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, personally, I think kids probably flourish more with
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Janelle's type of parenting. But like structure that way, Like
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: structure like Robin imposed on all of the kids isn't
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: bad necessarily. I'm just trying to advocate a little bit.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: When I was watching Robin with her kids, I thought
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: she seems to really love them, She really loved Ason Archer,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: she seems to really care about MACALTI. I didn't feel
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: that to be fake.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean with some of the kids, but like
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: any of the other kids, if there was any kind
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: of resistance, like she took that personal and then never
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: really tried to make that better. Like she's still the parent,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: she's still the adult, Like she should have made more
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: of an effort with the other kids. I don't think
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: there's anything wrong with having structure in terms of parenting either,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: But like she had a whole ass sign right on
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: her fridge that was like, if you want food out
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: of here, you need to talk to Robin or mindy
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: or something, which to me is absolutely ridiculous. I think,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: because you have this big, giant family, you want everybody
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: to be included. You have this dream allegedly, if we're
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: supposed to believe you, that you want all of your
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: grandkids to be playing out on your property and you
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: want everybody to be in and out of your house
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: like you want this big, giant, cohesive family. But then
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: you don't really act like that. That's weird to me.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I feel like if you have
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: eighteen kids running through your house and taking up all
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: your resources, it might be okay to put some parameters
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: on that. But I do think the appearance of that
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: ended up being well, Robin doesn't want to share, Robin
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: wants to hoard, Robin wants to keep all of these resources.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: And were her kids, she says, were her kids, and
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: she won't let us have any like when we want it.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: So that lent itself to the estrangement with the children.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: But I'm just saying fundamentally, I don't see anything really
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: wrong with that, Like, if I have a bunch of kids,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like, no, you better ask me before
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: you eat up all my bread. Now and eat up
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: all my steaks and stuff.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if the resources are shared equally. But
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: like Janelle's and Christine's kids were having a hard time
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: getting food sometimes because Robin had all the fucking money.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: And then you have this big old flag Staff, big mansion,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: whereas Janelle's in a rental and Christine's doing whatever the
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: fuck she's doing.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: She's an rvy baby, you know what I mean.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: So of course the kids would want to come over
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: and be like, yeah, mom number four, can I have
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: some food? Like Mary's got fucking nothing but bananas. Janelle's
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: in an rvy. I mean, Christine is not cooking much
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: because she's doing all of her plexus bullshit. So like
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I'm hungry, right, you know what I mean? Where Robin's
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: got this huge ass bridge. Yes, oh that's us all
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: I'm saying.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: I'm playing as a world though, where all of these
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: women could have been different in their parenting styles and
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: they still could have kept this family together totally. And
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I do think that Robin's style of parenting tipped over
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: into competitiveness and also again hoarding those resources which the
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: kids are always going to pick up on exact you
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: can tell them you love them as much as you want,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: but they're gonna sniff that out. And I think they
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: did with Robin.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, they for sure did. And then we have Mickelty
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: in her sea section. Do we care?
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: We? I mean, here's the thing. I don't care about
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: the season. I don't care about her having a high
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: heart rate. I don't care about it going down as
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: soon as Tony enters. I do not care. I don't
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: care about her seeing the children come out of her belly.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Don't care about mchelt. What I cared about was the
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: discussion around Robin and mckelty's relationship. Yeah, because this was
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: maybe the only time I ever heard McKelty speak where
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: I felt moved by what she said. Yeah, And what
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: she said was that Robin the reason she wants Robin
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: there when the babies are born, and she wants Robin
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: to be there to help her with the babies in
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: those first few days, was because she has a special
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: bond with Robin, and Robin made her feel seen and
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: heard and like she was special. And Cody said that
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Robin's relationship with Michelty was actually a blessing for him
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: and Christine. Yeah, because, for whatever reason, at the time
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: him and Christine weren't appreciating who McKelty was. Didn't necessary
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I really want McKelty around. It sounds like Christine was
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: more than happy to ship McKelty off to go live
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: with Robin for a period of time. Yeah, And of
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: course McKelty felt that. Of course, fourteen or thirteen or
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: fifteen years old.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt that. And when mickelty cried, I'm like, dang, Like,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: so I get it. Like McKelty does get a lot
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: of hate for her relationship with Robin and Cody, and
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: we've even given her some hate and continue to do so,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: especially as she's an adult and she can see the
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: situation objectively and like understand what her dad and Robin
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: did to her mom. But nevertheless, like as a kid,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: I totally get that. I felt that so hard for
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: her to be like so misunderstood. We've seen even in
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: some of the earlier seasons, like the clashes that Christine
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: had with not only McKelty, but she was having clashes
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: with Gwendolyn too in her teens and everything. And so
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: I felt bad for McKelty a little bit, And I'm
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: glad that she has that relationship with Robin, but or
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: did or did, but I mean Robin I think just
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: weaponized that. Unfortunately, I don't think it was like necessarily healthy.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Like I'm sure Mickelty and Robin had an okay relationship,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: but I think Robin kind of like twisted that in
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: some way, maybe over the other wives, maybe over the
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: other kids, or like maybe she used that as a
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: standard of how all of the relationships with all the
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: other kids should have gone, and that's why she doesn't
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: have relationships with the rest of them. I don't know.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure if she weaponized it. I think
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if she did. I did notice
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: a couple of the things that she said more than
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: anything else. When she said something like I'm going to
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: be here to take care of everything, and then Christine'll
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: come and I'll pass her the baton. Like the way
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: she phrased that, I don't know if she meant for
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: it to come across as you. Yeah, she wants me
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: to be here, she wants me to be the one
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: to help her with the kids, and then whenever Christine
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: can figure it out, Christine will come over and I'll
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: get to go home. But like the way she did that,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you're still taking little jobs, and
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: that's Christine's daughter. And as much as you say, like,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I'm never gonna come between them, I totally respect Christine's
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: position as Micheltie's mom. Nonetheless, I felt like, I think
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: she loves it when Michelti for example, when Mickelty honored
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: her and told her about the twins before she even
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: told Christine.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: I think she eats that up, That's what I'm saying. Yep, yeah,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: And she even made a comment to she was like
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: I was handed Archer first, Like yes, she always got it,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: like the other thing competition. I'm like, what is wrong
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: with you? You were such an old lady, like get
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: your shit together, you know what I mean.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: I don't even think she knows that she's doing it
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: when she's doing it. I think she was trying to
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: set up a sentimental moment, and I actually felt that
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: from her when she talks about her holding Ace or
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Archer and Christine holding the other one, and then she
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: kind of gets super clemped and she talks about like
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: it's just two grandma's holding the babies. Like I think
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I felt her feeling that for real, and like feeling
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: the loss of everything that could have been if the
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: family stayed together. But I see that you don't agree. Yeah,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I mean I kind of believed that she was sad
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: about that. But at the same time, and again, she
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: can't help but just take the jobs and always need
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: to position herself at the top.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Right, And it'd be one thing if you were sad
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: and you didn't, you know, contribute to the breakup of
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: the family, But like you did, and you can't acknowledge that, right,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: So you still want to play this victim like you're
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: the idiot that got left behind and you didn't see
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: any of this coming and blah blah blah, like you
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: literally contributed to it.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: And it spans so many different issues, Like it spans
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: finances and all the money that you hoarded and all
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: of your investments. It spans time with the kids and
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: all of the time that your children got with Cody
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: that all these other kids didn't get. It spans the
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: romantic relationships that Cody had with these wives that he
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: wasn't able to upkeep or didn't want to because he
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: started to prefer you, like you have an impact in
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: all of these different ways, but you have an inability
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: to see that, or a refusal to acknowledge. I'm not
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: sure which it is. I think with Cody it's an
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: inability or a lack of capacity to even understand the
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: shit that he's done. With Robin. My senses, she knows,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: she knows what she's done, and this is her campaign
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: to try and pretend that she didn't do it.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: That's so wild to me, Like how can you do
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: that though, like when you're on National TV, Like I
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: don't understand. It's super wicked. And like, even going back
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: to your point about all of the time that Cody
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: have with all of her kids, like when they were
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: playing the stupid Jenga on the floor, Cody's talking about
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: how he has this lovely family experience with them, and
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: they have summers where they go to music camps and
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: like he's involved, like very involved with all of the
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: kids' activities, and they play music at home and they
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: have like a really lovely time and everything's great. And
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: I'm just like all of your other kids are watching
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: this and looking back on their years of childhood where
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: they didn't get to have you, like you were gone
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: for a lot of their adolescence time, Like you were
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: there in the Utah House when everything was magic and
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: you got to be in the same house with all
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: of them, and so they had you there and then
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: when you left and he went to Vegas and then Flagstaff,
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: like they didn't get any of that time.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: You were only there when the cameras were there. That's it.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: And yet Cody still has the goal. Like when Christine
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: was saying her kids were frustrated because they saw Robin
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: and Cody be a couple, but they didn't get to
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: see Cody and Christine be a couple. Like I felt
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: that the kids are not stupid. They can see that
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: their parents hate each other. It's like when my parents
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: were going to get divorced. We saw it coming years before,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: and my dad like when they sat us down and
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: told him, told us we're getting divorced. I was like, yeah,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: I figured thank god, duh, you guys are terrible together,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: like please buy. My dad was like so distraught. He's like,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: how did you know? How could you see? I'm like,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: you think we're dumb, right, We can see you guys
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: act to each other. And then Cody's sitting there still
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: trying to back and be like, no, I was romantic
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: with Christine. No, I was involved with the kids, Like
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: what I know? I don't get it, uh.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, when was the last time you actually slept
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: with Christine?
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Though?
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: I mean and with Mary it had been years, So
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: like define romantic with Christine right the way Christine describes it.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: You're showing up at like dinner time, and you're leaving
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: before coffee and you hardly even see your kids.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Right, But then you have this lovely family experience with
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Robin and your kids, and then you wonder why your
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: adult kids or all your other kids don't want anything
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: to do with you.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Did you hear him say though that he was hopeful
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: that he would fall back into fellowship with his kids. Yes,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: And I think what he said was like maybe after
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: a phone call or two, like we'll be able to
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: get the band back together. And I'm like, after a
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: phone call, Like you think you can just pick up
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: a phone and say, hey, how are you doing Gabe,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: and how you doing Hunters? You wouldn't call them, He
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: wouldn't like after a phone call and not like an
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: event where you take accountability. I've done and and have
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: some ownership in the destruction of this family, Like you
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna have to do that. No, on
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: that phone call, though, you just think you're gonna call
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: and ask about their cars or their girlfriends, or what
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: they're doing in life or their jobs, and everything is
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: gonna be back to normal.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: It's not. No, he expects his kids to call him
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: and say, I'm sorry, Dad, I really want to be
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: loyal to you again, and I love you. Can we
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: have a relationships we're calling back. Please cap in hand, Daddy.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: It's never going to happen, Cody, He's never gonna happen,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: And it's bizarre that you would think that it would.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: No, it's so weird to me. It's so weird. I
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: would love to see what he's like now after Garrison's passing.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Like I've said before, like I hope that that maybe
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: changed him a little bit for the better. Maybe that
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: was your wake up call and you realize, like, oh fuck,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: I've been a piece of shit father. I need to
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: be more involved with my kids and let this shit
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: go so I can have a relationship with the rest
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: of my family. But I don't think that happened, and
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: I don't think we're gonna see that because we're still
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty too.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: So let's fast forward a little bit to the tell
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: all or to the Sukiana interviews that are going to
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: happen at the end of this season. Do we think
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: that those interviews have already been conducted or do we
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: think you do? Do you think they were conducted before
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: the passing of Garrison? I mean, like, even if so,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: you would think that they would have to do another
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: series or another round of interviews after Garrison's passing. When
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: do we think that's filmed?
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Oh? God, I don't know.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: And then the timeline of the airing of the season.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, they said this season was going to fast
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: forward to that time, right like after Garrison's PA they.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Said they were going to address it. They didn't say
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: they were going to move through the entire season. So
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: that we end at that point.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's going to be interviews from twenty
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: twenty three.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Then, so are we not going to talk about Garrison
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: with Sukiana. I can't imagine that they would ever do that.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know this, I know Tilsea hates us,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I know this production company sucks ass, but I just
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: can't imagine that we wouldn't have a glimpse of post
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Garrison Cody and Robin. It will be very, very interesting
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: to see what he says. But I'm just gonna predict
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: it's not gonna be a lot of change.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: It's probably gonna be really bad.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be deflection. I don't know that he would
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: outright blame the other moms or anything like that, but
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: I just I don't see him taking any ownership, even
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: if the interview was conducted today.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't see that at all. I
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: don't see him being like emotional about the passing in
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: the right way, like I don't. I don't see him
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: being like, man, I really wish I could have said
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: something to him. I really wish I could have talked
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: to him again. I feel like he's gonna be really shitty.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: I feel like he's gonna just deflect and be like, yeah,
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: like I haven't talked to Garrison in a few years,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: and so this happened, and this was terrible and just.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Not my fault.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: It's not my fault. Don't blame me. Yeah, I know
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: everybody else is blaming me, but it's not my fault.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: That would just be so incredibly wild.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: It'd be on par for him.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, as a parent, and there's so many parents
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: out there listening and watching, like if that happened to
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: one of us, I mean, wouldn't it change you down
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: to your DNA. Wouldn't it change your experience of yourself
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: and your life. Wouldn't you have to go to therapy.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't you have to take major stock of all of
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: your choices, everything, even if you didn't have anything to
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: do with it or didn't contribute in any way. Wouldn't
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: you live your life in such a way that you
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: felt that you did so if he shows up and
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: he is unrepentant and he has taken ownership of nothing,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: which is like what we have seen for the past
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know how many years. It's getting so exhausting,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: but if he does that, it will be incredible.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, there would be no hope for him ever. Ever.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: He's just like the worst human being to ever. I mean, really,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: he's so terrible. He's so terrible. So back to your
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: question about Sukiana's interviews, I don't feel like they're going
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: to be after Garrison's passing. I don't think they're going
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: to give us that because they fucking hate us. They
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: think we're dumb, and they think that we want to
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: see content from two years ago.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Which is so insane to me.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: I know, but look at what they're doing with Platfill
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're ruining the show, but at least with
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Plaithfall that happened in twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: you're still somewhat current. But Sister Wives is egregious, it's bad.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: At twenty twenty two, we're looking at something that happened
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: and we were dealing with. We were ahead in season eighteen. Yeah,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: we were already ahead, and so we've gone back.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy, it's wild. Yes, we're still gonna watch, Yes.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: It is, and maybe they'll fast forward it. But I
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: just I have absolutely no confidence in this production team
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: at all.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, me neither. Then we have the preview for next
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: episode where we have Thanksgiving with Cody and Robin's sad
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: ass family.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Then we have okay, but what so is this Thanksgiving
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, which is the Thanksgiving they were arguing
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: about last year, which is a Thanksgiving We kind of
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: already saw though, because we had Janelle and Christine getting
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: the Airbnb, Like I think, so, are we just doing
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: the same Thanksgiving that we already did. Yeah, it would
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: be one thing if it was Thanksgiving twenty twenty three.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: That's still you're it's okay, I'm.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Sorry, it's twenty twenty sorry. Yeah. And then we have Robin.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: I guess she's slept in the closet at Tony mckelty's house.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Such a martyr, might just say, such a good person
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: for sleeping on the floor of the closet, like Clayton's
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: mom from ninety fiance. And then we have Robin and
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Cody arguing outside in the snow, arguing, yeah about Cody
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: fixing his relationships with the kids, because Robin wants us
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: to believe that. She's telling him over and over again,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: be a good dad.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: If you have to camp out on their doorstep, do so. Okay,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: I don't believe it.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: No, why are we out in the snow? Also, why
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: can't we be in your house again?
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Did we just clean out that one little space in
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: the living room.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Little section with that weird art like the John Wayne's
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: stuff in the art and the custer of it all
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: as sets the assets, that's right, the investments, indeed.
• 44:54
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• 44:57
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• 45:00
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