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96. RFP Crossover Event with the Starving For Truth Podcast Part 1 · 4-Freedom Podcast

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I found my freedom if I found it.
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Welcome to for Freedom podcast. This podcast exists to bring the
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freedom of the gospel for every day, Christians, with everyday
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issues. Now, here are your hosts, John
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hog, build, and James Seifert. What kind of shallow person you
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want to become recovering from fundamentalism or something?
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They're everywhere. I'll take some, I said, well you
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just stupid to begin with if there's such a word you're
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stupid, or now don't get flooded it like us and all you flubbed
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up, people your come together. Hello, we're on episode 32 of
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The Starving for truth podcast. We are with the for Freedom
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podcast today. This is Tyler speaking and I'm
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Austin. This is chance and I'm John.
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And I'm James, it's great to be able to do this podcast with you
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guys. Today, I'm gonna read a verse
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Galatians 5:1, it says for Freedom Christ has set us free
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stand firm. Therefore and do not submit
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again to a yoke of slavery. We have a what we're going to do
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today is we're going to go kind of back and forth with some
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questions to just introduce podcast and then also kind of
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dive into some subjects here. Both of us are on the RFP
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Network and it's kind of how we we connected and we hooked up
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And so, let's see, we'll just go with the first question will be
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for James and John is, what is the goal for your podcast?
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Or like, what, what is what is for freedom mean as a podcast?
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Okay, I will start that off and then James, I'll pass it over to
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you. But thank you guys for having us
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on. We're brothers in Christ and
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also sort of Brothers in the RFP Network.
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And so it's good to get together.
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Have been spending some time with these guys, but we are the
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Four Freedoms. Cast we started, I started the
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podcast in June of 2020 and with sort of a goal I guess I give
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them my story on what was known as what is the preacher preacher
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boys podcast and something that was sort of bugging me for a
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while and I did that but it didn't go away that bug was
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still there and I talked to a lot of people who had gone
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through fundamentalism and left. And just sort of, you know, you
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get that feeling where you've been taught something, then you
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feel lied to and, you know, you just started sort of questioning
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everything. And you see some people just
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leave church all together and God has been gracious to me to
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have a mentor. Somebody that just directed me
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into sound Theology, and, and that type of thing.
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And so the initial goal was to have something out there.
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They threw up a net, if you will for people doing that.
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Going through that transition of saying, like, Yes that's wrong
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but the Bible is still relevant in the Bible.
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Still there and I'm trying to biblical counseling.
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So is James and overtime. James came in with me, he
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actually helped me get it started to begin with but James
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came with me on the microphone and we've transitioned a podcast
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over time. So our goal is really to because
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we don't feel like we're the only ones speaking into the
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realm of theology. Yeah.
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And there's better ones doing that and I think that you guys
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would qualify as once that are doing that better than we are.
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And and so we wanted to do something as far as like dealing
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with life issues dealing with just the stuff.
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How theology is not just for this, it's also can be applied
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to the life issues. Yeah.
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And so bringing that sort of counseling principles, those
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types of things are bringing the Bible as it rests on everyday
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life. James, what do you think?
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Yeah. Absolutely and most recently you
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know me and John we grew up together as children in church
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and our license him intermingled.
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I was in his wedding, he wouldn't come to my wedding
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because he doesn't like me and so we going through this again,
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I biggest goal is trying to help those who have been hurt by the
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spiritual abuse and legalism and so that is our, our biggest goal
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is trying to give all for hoping Milk with a Biblical perspective
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in everyday life. Yeah, yeah.
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And Youmans, you mentioned, you were on the preachers boy
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podcast. And we understand that Eric has
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deconstructed his faith, correct.
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And and so instead of deconstructing your faith, what
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your focus was is you wanted to be grounded in your faith,
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right? And so how are some ways that,
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you know, because you have, you have the different pendulum
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swings, like people leaving the faith, amending the faith, but
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you still stand on truth. Are you still people who are
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abused? You want them to have Justice in
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those things but what was I guess, what was the guiding
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hand? Not to lead you to
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deconstruction but two I would say Reformation yeah that's a
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great question. One word that I have heard
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recently and I'm like man I love that word.
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I wish I had to come up with it that that I heard Ginger wollo
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say on an interview and she is from the Duggars, the famous
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documentary that's out. Now she She married a guy and
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they heard and Jeremy have come out.
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And she just has a book out. And she used this term, and I
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loved it, because it's not deconstruction, it's
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disentangling. Yeah, and I thought that really
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helps it understand. I also understand a little bit
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of what it really is, but I think that I've thought a lot
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about that subject to because I was thinking about writing an
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article for the biblical counseling website and I had a
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send it to a seminary, Professor had him and got some things.
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I just never have pulled the trigger, I'm releasing the
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article. About why the Bible is
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appropriate to use for Spiritual abuse.
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Because what happens with spiritual abuse?
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A lot is that people believe that the Bible is the weapon of
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that abuse. Yeah, and so therefore the
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common understanding is that. Well, the last thing you want to
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do to help somebody with spiritual abuse, has the Bible.
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Yeah, that's the last thing you want to use and my thinking is
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my position is more like no, that's what we want to.
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And so I would say it's rooted. What does John mentioned?
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Who Christ is? He's the word?
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Yeah. And I think that it's rooted
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first of all in Christ but even further than that deeper than
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that, what we see Christ is the good news of the Gospel.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And that's just a real short answer that James.
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Did you have anything to add to it?
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You know, when it comes to deconstruction for me
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personally, I know John is when a dip his life is in different
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area of mind. I never really have that big
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pendulum. Swing mom was just an Awakening
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to understanding. What was true.
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What wasn't true? My life?
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I really wasn't this massive like I'm going left from going
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right based on what I was told, it was just me learning what I
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believed and why believed it for me, true for myself.
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So So for me it was a different area of mine.
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Mine began with the King James only did, you know, doctor and I
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guess you could say whatever you want to say on it that was sort
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of my my Tipping Point because I begin to get in churches where
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they weren't King James only was the first time ever and I wanted
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to discover what that meant for me personally and so it was a
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lot of debates that I watched a lot of digesting.
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What is real? What is not?
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What is true? What is just been spouted for
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the last 30 years? Earth and there's no truth
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behind it at all. And so, that's where for me,
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personally, it was just believe understanding what I believed in
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why I believed it. And so that's that was sort of
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where I was that. Yeah, yeah.
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James is very much. The difference between the two
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of us as James was sort of like, show me what makes sense, okay?
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That didn't make sense. This makes more sense.
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I'll go along that way, very much me.
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I was more like, that's a lie, burn the house down and its
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really God's grace, that is sort of shape.
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Eight shaped both of us to I think where we're at right now.
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Yeah and we've been really on the King James only issue, I
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mean we've been driving that home for.
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We have probably five up, we will have five episodes coming
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on about that. So how how did you disentangle
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your King James only position and what led you to kind of
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getting out of that Doctrine? Yeah my mom I personally want
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for me was studying scripture scripture and the biggest one
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was the Engelberg debate with James White, the new King James
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only guys, and then your table. Your Roundtable of your five or
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six, King James only, your your, wow, I don't know.
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The guys name is even now, but going back and forth and seeing
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those some things and then, you know, hearing some of the things
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I heard my whole life, preached and taught in school and in
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church and in chapels hearing some of those things brought
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back up and then them trying to To catch, you know, James White
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in a and some type of argument and then James White rebuttal in
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it in a logical fashion. Not in a mean Spirit or anything
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and then James White trying to ask a question and then one of
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those guys say in all you're just trying to, you're trying to
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catch me and you're trying to say something to get me off base
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and and really seeing them in that in that setting was
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eye-opening experience for me. So the Ankerberg debate was that
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was a fantastic tool. For me to be able to go through
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that and then of course, then after that reading James White's
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book on the King James only is on, was it was a great asset for
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me. Going through that, John about
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you. Mine was a pastor, I was very
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much. I left the church that I was at
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very much King James only and was stored a spouting off.
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Some some King James only as I'm to this pastor and he just asked
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me a question and I was like, all right this is my chance to
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give my defense of Why the the manuscript line was corrupt and
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he just took the same logic and I'm using air quotes here that I
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was using for King James only as mm and twist it around on me
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because my logic was the Bible uses Egypt of the manuscripts.
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Come from the Egyptian, corrupted line.
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And because of that, you can't trust those because Egypt is a
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sign of the world, and he just looked at me and he told me
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later, he said, I don't believe this.
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But it's along the same logic that you're using which is bad
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logic. And this what he said, he said
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you know what else Egypt is. I said what he said using your
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argument Egypt is also place a preservation.
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So what do you mean? He said, well God preserved the
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children of Israel there in Egypt, for 400 years.
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And where did God send Christ to preserve him from Herod?
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Oh, they went to Egypt for two years.
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So couldn't it be that using that same line of thinking that
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God would preserve manuscripts in Egypt?
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And I didn't know what to say. And after they say, he tried to
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explain to me both of those lines of thinking our fault.
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That are not good logic. Yeah.
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But now, you come to a decision. And so then I was like, I've got
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to search this out. Yeah.
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I didn't know there was an alternative Viewpoint and it was
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like, oh, none of this makes sense.
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Yeah, yeah. It sort of came down to it and
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you think the House of Cards comes tumbling down when you
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address the King James only position immediately.
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Yeah, that's what we were noticing since our Sunday here
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at church. When they Ethan preached.
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I've just got about 45 messages this morning from young guys
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that are saying. Hey, I'm still King James
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preferred. I'm just now looking into this.
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Do you have any kind of books for me to read anything to look
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at? And we're able to send them
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episodes like this James. You already mentioned James
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White's book but it the card start to fall.
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When you start to look at the position, it's indefensible so
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you're the Ankerberg Show was really good.
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That I probably got me too. I've had Sam gipp, he signed my
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Bible but Some try to defend himself there.
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It was just kind of embarrassing.
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Well, we are, actually we're doing something different with
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this this episode, we're sort of playing back and forth, so the
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guys have just asked us a question.
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So we're going to do the same thing.
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So it's not technically on my jacking, your pop coming three
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questions. I don't know if that's fair or
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not, but that's a 3 question. So we're not technically
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hijacking. We're just gonna give a little
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bit of they were gonna play back and forth, back and forth.
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So, James, go ahead and Ask these guys a question?
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Yeah, so Tyler Champion all stood.
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What is the goal or even the meaning of your podcast to
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starving for truth podcast? What is y'all in go?
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What are y'all wanting to see happen with what you guys have
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going on right now? Yeah, so the audience, we're
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trying to reach are those that have either grown up in an ifv
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and I have any movement or churches that were theology
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wasn't strong and as a result of us growing up the hyphy movement
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which I'm sure you guys can relate to this.
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We weren't given sound Ecology. We are literally were literally
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starving for truth. And our desire is to reach, you
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know, guys, and and ladies that are looking for answers,
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somewhere to go to, where they can find biblical truth.
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If you look at our logo, it's a starving sheep.
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And now, we just believe there's a lot of starving sheep in
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churches, all over that are looking for truth.
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Yeah. And I think, you know, it
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doesn't just involve the ifb movement, there's people in the
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Southern Baptist convention, they're starving for truth, you
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know. And so we thought at the
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beginning it was just going to be a tool for our local church
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and then we started getting messages from the broader church
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and then we each week, we have tons of guys and hopefully this
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is a plug for the new podcast is going to come out.
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But hopefully our wives are starting a podcast, there's
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going to be some more ministering to The Souls of the
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ladies as well. And so, our goal really is to
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equip the Saints for the working in the ministry via podcast.
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And then also, So this has really helped us out and
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pastoral care as well, because if you have an hour of your life
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to give to somebody, obviously you're going to give it.
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But when you're busy and you're doing certain things, you can
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say, hey, here's a podcast, we recorded, and this is just as
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the subject that you're asking about, listen to that first and
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then let's set up a counseling session.
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And in, let's go through what you, what you're struggling with
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and that's been a great tool. So, I guess our heart behind
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this is to point people to the truth of scripture.
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The truth of Christ The gospels are Foundation.
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We are fundamentalist dimming, we love the scripture, we love
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old time religion, you know, that that's actually, like, from
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the Apostle Paul. And so, so that's our heart
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behind it, and Tyler. I'll pass the Baton.
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Yeah, I mean, my story probably similar to yours James and that
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I slowly started these things started shedding but when the
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first thing like a cage ABO position when I looked at it and
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I realized that I've been wrong and I am hearing these really
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Preachers that are focused on the true fundamentals, that the
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true things that are very important, that deity of Christ,
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just justification by grace, through faith, it just put a
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hunger in my heart to learn more once that once that first step
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was taken. And so that's, you know, we're
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starving for truth once once we break free from that and even
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just any Christian should be starving for the truth of God's
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word and we just want to to help equip net and that area because,
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you know, in my past there was, I've said this, I think it said
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this on the recovering fundamental podcast, but in my
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past that there are question marks in my childhood over my
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head all the time and you'd get differing answers in the ice be
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almost like it's it's a it's a it's a hodgepodge of different
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philosophies, different thinking's and you wouldn't get
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a straight answer on everything or you get one answer from one
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guy, different answer from another guy and but once I, once
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I started digging To God's word and realizing that there's
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Christians for a long time. They have believed certain
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truths about God's word and and I have it historical accurate
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biblical, beliefs concerning Doctrine and all those things.
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It just it just set a fire in my heart to learn more and that's
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kind of my background with that. I just add one more thing here.
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You know, people that are starving that are super hungry,
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they're hungry and they'll take anything and I think that's one
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thing we want our podcast, the be, we want it to be truth that
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were feeding these people. They are hungry.
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You have the preachers boy podcast, which is filling this
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void, but what is he giving them?
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And so we want our podcast to be biblical truth that will help
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people. Yeah, and I think a good analogy
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is like, probably everybody's heard of NF, and when he does a
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rap song, he's always giving the problem, but he's not giving the
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solution. Yeah, it's the same thing with
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like the preacher boys podcasts. Like if people abuse people,
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they deserve justice, we agree here here.
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Yeah. You know, and but there has to
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be a solution of that. Wait.
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That's in the heart of the individual and that's the
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gospel. Yeah.
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And so that's our. That's our foundation.
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And so we want to start there and then we want to build upon
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the solid foundation of Christ and we want to lay a foundation
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for the listeners to to have truth that they can stand on you
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know truth. They can depend on.
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Yeah absolutely James I sort of think that they answered Austin
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at least answered the second question which was are people
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starving for truth? Yeah.
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They don't live in the show notes, John there.
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We shoot from the hip. Now we're gonna FaceTime Gia and
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man. Yeah.
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Yeah your digital presence is here, you know.
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Yeah. So but yeah, and I think going
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to do that. We need to edit this out but I
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was going to say he looks more like the pride flag right now.
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We're now we don't need to edit that out.
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The reason he's so salty is because he's Kind of gay.
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I'm just playing but our back to number two are people starving
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for truth. Yes.
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And he said why do you think they're starving?
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Well, I think it's because and we be honest here I don't think
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the Bible is being expanded in a lot of churches.
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Yeah. And like we were going to be
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doing a review of Jack Howell sermon, keep your feet out of my
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seat. Feast.
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Keep your stinking feet out of my drinking water.
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And so, like, some things like Jack house was a gifted
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Communicator. He could rally the crowd, he
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could rally the troops, but he did not deliver the truth.
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And so I think a lot of times there are great gifted
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communicators in the fundamentalist movement that can
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rally the crowd, rally the troops boast the egos of the
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listeners, but what they're doing is they're fleecing the
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flock. And so we don't want to fleece
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the flock. We want to feed the flock and
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when it comes to those who are starving, for truth, there are
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people that reach out each week that have questions in.
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Oh, that ask these deep theological questions that
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they've had all their life and then they go to their pasture.
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And their pasture says, well just trust me or trust my voice
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or trust what I believe. And so, instead of giving them
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an answer that they can depend upon, they give them some
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philosophy or they give them something that they've just
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regurgitated from all the preachers conferences.
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They've been too. So yeah, there are people
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starving for truth. I mean, it's It's all the time.
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We get messages and we really like to interact with those who
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are struggling. Yep ours is the back does you
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know won't go ahead one battle that pick one thing to add on
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that I've met yesterday with a pastor that goes to our church
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he's 81 years old. He was in Ministry for 61 years
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and just befriended him over the last couple of months and
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gleaning from him. He just retired joined our
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church, he grew up in our church and I met with him just praying
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and seeking advice and counsel. With him and he made this
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statement, he said, I'm so fearful of today's church and he
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said I don't understand why so many people were and he used the
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word compromising her going liberal and I knew what he
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meant. He wasn't meaning, what we would
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think or what people would classify us as liberal and and
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going crazy butbut, I made this statement, I said, Henry's his
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name I said Henry I really believe it's because we've
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gotten away from preaching and teaching the truth of the Bible.
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Yeah. And if you're absolutely right,
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he said we He, as an, as an 81-year old man, he said church,
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has become something that they check off as a box that I went
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on Sunday, and I'm good for the week and it is not been any
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other effect in their life and I and he said, I fully believe
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that's why the church and Christians as a whole, or not
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influencing their Community, because they're not getting
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truth on a daily basis, in their own personal life.
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And to hear that from 81 year old man who loves Jesus, who
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sacrificed his entire life serving the church.
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Church. And he said, I'm at the point
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now where I don't really care much about me.
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I care about my kids, my grandkids and my great-grandkids
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and I fear for the Church of they're going to grow up in.
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Yeah, that's that's a solid Point especially coming from an
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older gentleman Faith. Yeah and I'm last night, Austin
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to commend you my wife. She's you know, she's start, she
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got a new ESP Bible, she's been taking notes, she's going
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through a booklet for devotions and she says right now she's
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she's never had this before, where she's she's been hungry
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before, but she hasn't been fed and it's not, of course, it's
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not always the fault of the preacher and all that stuff but
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now she's personally been digging into God's word getting
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into understanding it, and, and it's just been such a and she's
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like, I just really loved Austin's message last night that
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passage was so great and, and it's just, and I, this is where
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I'm convicted is like, last night, I could have Ben might
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have been looking around the auditorium a little bit.
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Not might not have been painted as much but she's she's just
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looking at her Bible and being like this Bible is amazing.
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I can read it, I can digest it, I can understand it and and it's
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just been awesome to hear that but there's a lot of people that
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they have that hunger but there it's not being satisfied in
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their church it's not being cultivated right?
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They're not looking at their word and being fed.
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They're looking at a man and hearing his stories hearing his
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opinions and they're not there's something there that's not
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happening for them. What's happening is that they're
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getting junk food all the time, right?
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You know, they get lazy when you junk food all the time, what
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happens? You get lazy and fat, right.
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So I think they're the American church is there.
24:11
And I think the cure for that is expositional.
24:13
Preaching. Yeah.
24:15
Elder ran churches. That has a plurality and not a
24:17
CEO model. And so, I think our motto is To
24:22
a thousand Generations. That's our churches motto.
24:24
And so as Baptist we see, like the now and what's going to
24:28
happen tomorrow? Errol.
24:30
But as we cultivate the church in the states, as we cultivate
24:33
our local churches, it should be something that we see as
24:36
generational. Yeah.
24:37
When I'm dead as my church going to still be there and there's
24:40
they're going to be equipped Min to fill that Pulpit or fill the
24:43
void of a Christian school or fill the void of whatever.
24:46
It is, whatever Ministry that you can say, biblical
24:48
counseling. And so, I think a lot of times
24:51
we've we've got the Great Commission and we go and we
24:55
preach the gospel, but we forgot the disciple.
24:58
And I think that's what I said. Where, where American church,
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it's good. All right, are we back to us?
25:03
And we asking you guys another question.
25:05
All right. Do we need more?
25:07
Do we need more? Christian podcast will will do
25:11
will do that right now. Do we need more Kirsten podcast
25:15
I'm gonna head. Okay.
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So do we need more Christian podcasts?
25:20
First of all, I'd say this that understand the times we are to
25:24
be Discerning of the times. I did some history research when
25:29
I was starting. Owing to podcast on the
25:30
fundamentalist movement and if you go back to the 20s, you find
25:35
that the medium of that day that they got messages out.
25:39
They got, they spoke into the world was through periodicals
25:46
what is known and fundamentalist circles as the sort of the Lord,
25:50
the sort of the Lord was actually at its time, the medium
25:54
for their day. And, you know, you look at J
25:58
Frank Norris, he reached A lot of people and he became it
26:02
became why they didn't have the YouTube or the or the the
26:06
Facebook social media that spread it was through that
26:09
periodicals you move a little bit down the line in history and
26:13
the medium then becomes radio right?
26:15
Radio preachers became a huge thing.
26:19
Well, is that really the case? I think, now I think really
26:24
podcasts is, is one of the mediums to speak into.
26:28
Yeah. Today.
26:29
For, for the church. And the question, do we need
26:33
more Christian podcast? Well, I would ask someone if
26:37
they were saying that and sort of a critical manner, I'd say,
26:40
well, do we need more entertainment podcast?
26:44
Do we need more? I mean, how if you looked at the
26:47
ratio of Christian podcast and maybe we should even Define
26:52
Christian. Yeah.
26:54
And what is speaking? Actual biblical truth out there.
26:57
I think there's actually a Best using the word starvation of a
27:05
real good Christian podcast. So yes, very much.
27:08
So yeah. So what about you James?
27:11
Yeah, I agree with what John said up there is a life of the
27:15
Public Square. I like how Michael Nolt is that
27:17
what is the Public Square right now?
27:19
And if we don't have a voice in the Public Square, then we are
27:24
making an influence properly in our community as me and Austin
27:29
came back. Back from Israel, just a couple
27:31
of months ago, I often think and try to remember the places where
27:35
people gathered in those a theaters and he Padrone's and
27:39
and there were large entertainment, venues where
27:41
everyone would go to get the news and event and what was
27:44
going on. We don't have places like that
27:47
now because our error has changed and we're in technology
27:51
and social media. And so, if we are going to be
27:54
good, stewards of what God has given us, and he has given us in
27:57
an age of social media, and Listen, the age of of internet
28:02
and accessibility to people. Why would we not use that as a
28:05
tool to reach people for the sake of the Gospel?
28:07
Yeah. And if I simply having a podcast
28:10
where we share the gospel and one person listens to it and one
28:13
person's life is changed then. Absolutely.
28:16
I would say make 100 more of them just so that we can see
28:19
more and more people's lives. Change for the sake of the
28:21
gospel, and let me add on to the last part of that is one of the
28:25
essay, I'm going to say problems.
28:27
One of the problems in our culture right now is a very
28:29
sound. And by culture we have a very
28:31
sound like culture. And if you look at all the the
28:33
Public Square avenues that James is talking about whether it's
28:38
Tick-Tock I know there's a lot of people trying to have good
28:40
voices in that but it is. So my new and we need areas
28:44
where things can be more fleshed out.
28:46
Yeah because of we just want 30 seconds, 10 seconds 15 seconds.
28:51
That's just not enough time. That's not that's not how God
28:54
gave us truth to be compacted that much and podcasts are an
29:00
Where those things can be flushed out and Yeah like the
29:04
past four hours hanging out with you, John like what I've
29:08
inferred is that you're a well-read guy.
29:09
When you all talk about something on your podcast,
29:11
you've probably read a couple books about it before you talk
29:13
about it. And what it what we can do is
29:15
that we can have a another Avenue where are the pastors of
29:19
a church can study something, get it to their people and feed
29:23
their congregation? I don't know about you.
29:25
James and hang out with you. All I know about you is that I
29:27
see like a rainbow thing on your screen.
29:28
So but I assume that it's the same way with you, where you
29:32
have a, where you have an opportunity to to minister to
29:36
people. And it's just another just
29:39
another one of those tools that God's given us where we can
29:42
study something and get it to our people.
29:44
Yeah. And I think the great thing
29:45
about podcasts to is sometimes we don't have enough time to
29:49
read the 10 books on something in the counseling world and then
29:53
you bring it up on a podcasting, like we can pick up that podcast
29:57
for an hour and you've digested it and then you Clean it.
30:00
And so podcast is a great way to transfer information and I think
30:06
a lot of times we like, I don't know, I get stuck on the the
30:11
rails or whatever, the Facebook thing sometimes at night.
30:13
And I'm like, seeing all these things and basically, it's Kobe
30:16
Bryant and then boxing videos for me.
30:19
But unless unless Tyler sends me videos, they're my algorithms
30:23
really messed up. So so podcasting has helped me
30:27
out a lot or YouTube, you know, I've watched A lot of James
30:30
White's debates and in. So the I would say the
30:34
modern-day Marketplace is social media and we need to be in
30:37
there. Paul would be here.
30:40
So Well and and even that point the number one podcast in, you
30:47
know, I don't know if of the number one overall but but your
30:49
long form journalism of the rise and fall of Marcy.
30:52
Oh yeah. Right now, the number one
30:53
trending documentary on the Internet is China have people.
30:57
Yeah, people are interested in this long-form drama.
31:02
This long-form documentary, but they've also got the same edge
31:06
of give me that 30 seconds. And so we've got to figure out
31:09
this balance between the two. And we're in a very weird
31:13
dilemma or very weird culture right now, of how can we gain
31:17
people's attention for longer than 30 seconds in a way that's
31:20
meaningful to impact them? With what the truth is?
31:23
That we have? Yeah.
31:25
Absolutely. So on that.
31:28
Let's move to our question, which is number three.
31:33
Where should people be? Finding the truth fellas?
31:38
Tyler, you have an open up one so I'm going to throw you under
31:41
the bus. I probably Rick Warren.
31:43
Honestly, the unknown author of Hebrews.
31:51
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
32:02
I mean I think this is one of those kindergarten questions
32:04
Jesus. Now the Bible and This is and
32:09
that's where you can begin to shed man where they have put
32:13
their pharisaic or rules where they hold those in higher esteem
32:16
than the scriptures. And now you need to get back to
32:18
the scriptures, get back to the Bible.
32:20
And of course, what's important, if you're in a solid Church
32:23
being under the leadership of your elders, your pastors and
32:29
seeking counsel. So you can go to counsel and, of
32:32
course, all by the power of the holy spirit, because you can,
32:37
you can read your I will, and it's in, it's not getting you
32:40
anywhere. And there's not that hungry,
32:42
there's not that thirsty or because you need a change of
32:45
heart of course or you needed some.
32:46
You need a Revival of your heart.
32:49
But seeking the truth of course from the scriptures and being
32:52
under Authority is always ideal. Yeah.
32:56
And people need solid Biblical truth, you know, growing up in
33:00
the in the ifb and going off to college, we can ask, you know,
33:03
why do we believe that and often times or even the answer?
33:06
Well, because so-and-so told, Add me or my grandma or a grand
33:10
mal are sweet ladies. But we need a point of Truth
33:13
where we can say. This is, this is where we are
33:15
pointing you to, and it's the word.
33:17
The word is where we get our truth from.
33:19
It's not just because so-and-so said it, or it's written in a
33:22
book that someone wrote but where in the Bible, does it say
33:24
this? And that has to be our
33:25
foundation? Yeah and I think a lot of times
33:28
like a lot of our listeners are in fundamentalist churches and
33:33
not all fundamentalist, churches are bad but if you look at the
33:36
scripture and we We see this is where Authority comes from.
33:40
I'm going to read first, Timothy 3 1 through 7, and if the pastor
33:45
that is in your church, does not fit these qualifications as an
33:48
elder. You probably should look for a
33:51
different church or at least have the Church of mohnish him
33:54
and have him in Repentance. And so there are many wolves
33:58
that will gain the platform of the pulpit.
34:01
And, you know, we should submit to the leadership.
34:05
But if the leadership's tyrannical, the leadership's
34:07
False their teaching a false gospel, you don't have to submit
34:10
to that, you actually should probably fight against that in a
34:13
general way. You know, you don't, you don't
34:15
come in and just like burn down the church.
34:17
But, and for the first Timothy 3 says this, the saying is
34:20
trustworthy. If anyone aspires to the office
34:22
of overseer his desire, he desires a noble task, therefore,
34:26
an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one
34:29
wife, and so when you get into the tax above reproach, he
34:32
doesn't have scandals out in the community people don't think
34:36
when I see him. Is he going to rob?
34:37
Blind. Or is he going to have an affair
34:39
or, you know, there's just basic qualifications and if that is
34:43
what your pastor is known for find another Pastor, you know,
34:47
and so you don't have to submit to the tyrannical leadership.
34:50
That runs some small churches. And so, you know, husband of one
34:54
wife, you know, there's there's been a covenant of marriage
34:56
there that's been honored. Sober-minded, his mind's, not in
34:59
the gutter all the time or he's not tossed to and fro by every
35:03
wind of Doctrine self-control. This is a big one.
35:06
So if your pastor is 600, Pounds.
35:08
He lacks self-control and therefore he's disqualified in
35:10
the ministry, you know? So there there's these
35:13
qualifications. This is where our truth comes
35:15
from respectable. People have respect for him or
35:19
some sort of and I'm not saying like a holy reverence, but a
35:21
reverence for the sky. When he walked into the room,
35:23
there's respecting people. Then you have hospitable, his
35:27
house is open to you or he's taking you out or you're
35:31
visiting with him. There is all these things able
35:34
to teach if he can't get up and he what did Jared Baker, Say
35:37
that one time you can preach out of a wet paper bag.
35:41
You know, he can't preach out of a wet paper bag, then he's not
35:44
qualified. And so, and most it, I would say
35:48
all the qualifications of an overseer, Elder are all
35:51
character traits. And so, if not a drunkard so not
35:56
not drinking all the time and getting drunk.
35:57
It doesn't mean if he has a beer, he's in sin.
35:59
And what it's saying is he's not indulging in drinking or given
36:03
over to drunken to not violent. That doesn't mean he doesn't, he
36:06
can't go boxing. I have Jujitsu classes mean he's
36:09
beating up his neighbor but gentle and not quarrelsome, not
36:13
always looking for a fight, not a lover of money and so he
36:16
manages his household. Well, so he's going to lead and
36:19
disciple his wife as if his wife is role in the house.
36:23
He's disqualified. You know so there's all this
36:25
truth that stems from this and when we're finding truth we
36:29
should sit under pastoral leadership eldership.
36:32
That looks like this. If it doesn't look like this,
36:36
they're unqualified for the It's true.
36:38
And you should one encourage them to repent and if that
36:41
doesn't work, you should find another church.
36:44
So that's how it's always been. It's how God established it.
36:47
And so, we don't need to change the book so we can have somebody
36:50
we like behind the pulpit, right?
36:52
And I even think of Jesus prayer and and the Garden in John 17,
37:00
he says, you know, Bob Woodward here, sanctify.
37:02
Yeah, theological term. But it if we break it down, it's
37:05
the process that God changes us. Yeah, Yeah and he said, how did
37:08
how did he pray? Jesus praying to God.
37:12
Change them in your truth. Yeah yeah and then he doesn't
37:17
leave us hanging. We're we're asking you the
37:19
question. What is what does where do
37:21
people find the truth? He defines it for us.
37:23
Yeah. Your word is truth.
37:27
Yeah. It's it's not hard to figure out
37:31
and I think that I think that like you were saying, a lot of
37:34
times we over time. It's been real easy.
37:37
To regurgitate what some other figurehead has set at a
37:43
conference to come back and just give that to the people.
37:45
You write down there, four points there, sermon.
37:47
And then you just let her rip, and then you go, and you go to
37:50
another conference and you go gather 20 sermons there.
37:53
And that's not, that's not healthy for the church and you
37:56
look in church history. How the word it was hidden from
37:58
the common people for so long and it was just the priest or
38:01
you know the Pope that spoke for God.
38:03
Yeah but we have the word, we have the truth.
38:05
Not to get back on the King James.
38:07
Only got retail but it was hidden because they made sure
38:13
they couldn't understand it right, right?
38:16
Yeah, yeah. Which if you come back to
38:18
fundamentalism, Can they understand the King James?
38:23
And if you tell them, they must stay there.
38:26
You're in a sense doing the same thing.
38:28
I've thought that? Yeah, well, and being in the
38:31
educational system, running a boys home and seeing this state
38:35
like, so I would, and I don't know, the percentage is, but a
38:38
high percentage goes to the public school.
38:40
And the public school is failing, the students.
38:42
And so reading levels reading comprehension, they're not gonna
38:46
like when you open up a King James you look at it, you're
38:49
like, hmm. If you actually, if you Of the
38:51
reading comprehension of what's coming out of our modern-day
38:53
public school. You're not going to, you're not
38:55
kind of comprehended. Even, even me when I read the
38:57
King James, and I've grown up on it, been weaned on it, there's
39:03
things. I come across like even Mark
39:06
Ward the other day talking about one of the false friends.
39:08
Yeah there's things like that that it's like oh I've been
39:11
understanding that incorrectly this my whole life.
39:14
Yeah or as if I just opened up another version of their it just
39:18
has it. Yeah and it's we Study it, if
39:21
that's what you use. And you like, well, I still
39:22
going to stick with my KJV. That's great.
39:24
But you should definitely watch those videos on false friends.
39:27
What you should definitely learn how to read it and how to give
39:30
it to your people in a digestible way?
39:32
Yeah, yeah. The the hardcore hardcore came
39:35
because I was one ark or King. James only is hates the, the
39:39
objection that it's hard to understand.
39:41
There has been nobody better at proving that the markwardt as
39:46
yeah. I've actually been really
39:47
watching his YouTube videos. That's a wealth of knowledge.
39:50
So, I think the, I think the preachers actually prove it but
39:58
I honestly don't know where we're at.
39:59
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