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Halloween Week: The Blood Countess - Elizabeth Bathory · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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Speaker 1: We are down to the final two days of Halloween
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Speaker 1: week with Wicked and Grim. Welcome. My name is Jacko
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Speaker 1: and I will be your master of ceremonies for the
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Speaker 1: remaining two days. We hope you enjoyed last episode as
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Speaker 1: we conversed and dove into the world of the Black
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Speaker 1: Eyed Children. Hopefully it didn't entice any to come visit you,
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Speaker 1: but if they haven't, maybe they will. On All Hallosy today, however,
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Speaker 1: we are talking about something much more sinister then children.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about the Blood Countess herself. But to get
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Speaker 1: those details, as always, we need our hosts, So here
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Speaker 1: they are. Without further ado then and Nicole.
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Speaker 2: Thanks Jacko again for that awesome introductions.
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Speaker 3: Jacko is getting some stellar reviews.
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Speaker 2: He is like, people are fucking loving jack He's going
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Speaker 2: to be missed, I think so. I'm like already a
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Speaker 2: little bit heartbroken knowing that.
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Speaker 3: He's actually just saying that. My heart going to say, right.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean the time with Jacko has been pretty awesome.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure he'll come back next year.
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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure he'll grace our presence again at one point.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure he will. I don't think we would be
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Speaker 2: allowed to get Jacko's flame snuffed out eternally now by
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Speaker 2: the listeners.
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Speaker 3: I don't think it could happened. No, I don't think
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Speaker 3: he would allow it.
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Speaker 2: I don't think so. I am like willing to bet
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Speaker 2: that he would. Yeah, so black Eyed Children, that was
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Speaker 2: that was a ride?
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that intro like, holy shit, holy no one
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Speaker 3: has seen any of them, that little episode. That's a
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Speaker 3: little bit much.
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Speaker 2: So what have we covered so far? What have we gotten?
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Speaker 2: We got Robert the Dahl nineteen eleven, the baseball game,
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Speaker 2: we got the three epic urban legends, Mary Shelley, Mary Shelley, Yes.
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Speaker 3: Black Eyed Children? How many is that that we just listed?
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Speaker 2: Five?
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Well, we're moving on today to a crazy story.
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Speaker 3: It just gets worse and worse here, or better and better,
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Speaker 3: whichever way you want to look at.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's more entertaining, but it's much more sinister as
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Speaker 2: we go for this one. Like few women's crimes have
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Speaker 2: gone through history as much as those as the Countess
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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Bathory a k a. The Blood Countess, which is
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Speaker 2: who we're talking about today. This is a fucking holy
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Speaker 2: This is a this is a tale. Let me tell
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Speaker 2: you that. Yeah, are you ready for this.
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Speaker 3: I am.
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Speaker 2: As you're drinking red wine, I think, well, no.
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Speaker 3: It's not even red wine. It's actually raspberry cider.
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Speaker 2: Okay, but it's.
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Speaker 3: Very I was, and I'm like, sweet, I should have
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Speaker 3: maybe picked a different color.
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Speaker 2: Well, if you're familiar with this case, you know what
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Speaker 2: we're about to dive into. But even if you are
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Speaker 2: unfamiliar with the with the case and with the name
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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Bathory, the chances are you've actually heard the stories
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Speaker 2: about her legendary sadism period. Perhaps you're aware that she
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Speaker 2: holds maybe the honor of being the world's most prolific
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Speaker 2: female murderer. Oh yeah, as dictated by the Guinness Book
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Speaker 2: of World Records. In fact, yeah, or maybe I would
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Speaker 2: think so, but it is a title, or maybe you
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Speaker 2: would actually uh heard her mentioned as a key influence
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Speaker 2: for you know, just a little old novel named I
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Speaker 2: don't know, Dracula.
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Speaker 3: What oh yeah? Really?
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah?
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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
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Speaker 2: This sounds intriguing, and some even argue that she is
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Speaker 2: the legendary Bloody Mary herself.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Now, Bloody Mary, of course, being the infamous urban legend
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Speaker 2: where you go into a dark bathroom approach the mirror
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Speaker 2: holding a lit candle, chant bloody Mary a number of times,
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Speaker 2: and there in the mirror she will appear covered in blood.
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Speaker 3: I've tried that before.
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Speaker 2: Were you successful?
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Speaker 3: No? And I think I, like fall didn't follow the
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Speaker 3: steps completely right because I actually was like subconsciously not
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Speaker 3: wanting to see the shit.
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Speaker 2: Well, who would want to see some scary bitch appeared
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Speaker 2: in a mirror covered in blood?
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Speaker 3: I definitely didn't do it right. Well, I was like
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Speaker 3: a child, and I was like, oh, I'll try this.
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Speaker 2: It's probably a good thing you didn't do it right
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Speaker 2: because could you imagine if she appeared, Oh, I.
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Speaker 3: Would have been scarred for life. Yeah, like I think
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Speaker 3: my whole life would probably have changed it. I wouldn't
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Speaker 3: be weird right now.
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Speaker 2: Well, chances are you might have not have survived that
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Speaker 2: encounter because there's like there's stories of her like viciously
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Speaker 2: attacking or gouging your eyes out and shit like. It's
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Speaker 2: of course the accounts vary, but oh my gosh, yes,
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Speaker 2: sometimes she's nice, sometimes she's mean, Sometimes she's a witch,
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Speaker 2: sometimes she's a zombie. Urban legends they go.
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Speaker 3: Along the place, right, Okay, I'm pop, this is gonna
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Speaker 3: be a good one.
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Speaker 2: All right, we'll buckley your seatbelts because this is the
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Speaker 2: tale of the blood Countess. Let's dive in. So Elizabeth
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Speaker 2: Bathory was born on a family estate in Hungary on
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Speaker 2: August seventh, in fifteen sixty.
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Speaker 3: Hotly, Yeah, it's a long time ago.
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Speaker 2: She was the daughter of Baron George's fifth Bathory and
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Speaker 2: Baroness and Bathory. She descended from multiple noble lineages, including
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Speaker 2: the King of Poland and the Prince of Transylvania. Like
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Speaker 2: we're talking fucking high up, like fancy dancing motherfuckers here.
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Speaker 2: The said bloodline was actually also a result of generational
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Speaker 2: inbreeding as well, so they kept it within the family,
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Speaker 2: which was not abnormal for that time, like royal with royal,
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Speaker 2: keep the royal bloodline clean, you know sort of thing.
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Speaker 3: Okay, I kind of snubbed it, but I guess that's
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Speaker 3: a long time ago.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's still nasty, but that's just what the time.
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Speaker 3: Is worse, what happened.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, yeah, her parents were actually closely related, and
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Speaker 2: it's thought that this may have actually been the source
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Speaker 2: of number of health problems that Elizabeth had as a child.
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Speaker 2: She suffered from severe epileptic seizures that led to an
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Speaker 2: array of like pseudo cures that inspired many of the
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Speaker 2: ridiculously insidious stories and vampiric legends surrounding her. One speculative
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Speaker 2: story goes that the that a cure that they used
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Speaker 2: for her seizures was that they would rub blood of
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Speaker 2: a quote unquote non sufferer onto her lips, sometimes with
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Speaker 2: a piece of their skull.
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Speaker 3: Okay, what like they would kill people to do this?
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Speaker 2: Then, yes, and they would take a piece of the
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Speaker 2: skull with their blood and rub it on her lips.
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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, in what right mind would you think
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Speaker 3: that would work?
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Speaker 2: I don't know. This is the fifteen hundreds. It's quite
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Speaker 2: a cracky cure where it's like, I don't know, you
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Speaker 2: got ghosts in your blood? Try cocaine. That's sort of
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Speaker 2: that type of stuff, you know. But wow, So these
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Speaker 2: are speculative stories. We don't know. Or another one is
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Speaker 2: that she was taught at a young age the cruelty
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Speaker 2: that she knew so well by her parents directly and
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Speaker 2: was introduced to witchcraft.
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Speaker 3: So the family had some things going on, is what
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Speaker 3: you're basically saying. Well, they might not have been the
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Speaker 3: best of people.
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Speaker 2: They're not. However, these stories. We don't know if they're true.
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Speaker 2: None of these stories can be backed up. What we
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Speaker 2: do we don't know much about her young age. This
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Speaker 2: is just urban legends that have gone on through the
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Speaker 2: age of sort of thing like documentary documentation is extremely
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Speaker 2: hard to come by, So anything that we do know
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Speaker 2: regarding her younger age is strictly theories. Basically.
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Speaker 3: Well, I've done cases that are from like the early
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Speaker 3: nineteen hundreds and I have found it hard. So yeah,
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Speaker 3: that's like way gone back.
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Speaker 2: What we do know about her younger years though, that
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Speaker 2: she was raised in luxury and had a level of
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Speaker 2: privilege that was denied to the vast majority of the
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Speaker 2: Hungarians citizens. I was going to say civilizations and citizens
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Speaker 2: at the same time, it just came out civilis. So
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Speaker 2: at the age of ten, Elizabeth was engaged to Phenic
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Speaker 2: nad Dasdy, a nobleman, an heir to one of the
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Speaker 2: wealthiest dynasties in the region. Although he was wealthy, he
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Speaker 2: was technically of lower social status standings than Elizabeth, even
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Speaker 2: at the age of ten, which is crazy.
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Speaker 3: And this was a man, yes.
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Speaker 2: Well it wasn't a man, it was They weren't that
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Speaker 2: far apart in age. Actually, they married when she was
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Speaker 2: fifteen and he was nineteen, so he's only four years
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Speaker 2: older than her. Yeah, so he would have been fourteen,
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Speaker 2: she would have been ten when they were engaged.
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Speaker 3: Okay. Could you imagine, though, Hey, like a fourteen year
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Speaker 3: old asking n ten year old to marry them. I
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Speaker 3: don't that's playground.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's like how this would work.
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Speaker 2: I think yeah, it would have more been like your
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Speaker 2: son will marry my daughter. Of course, cheers over this
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Speaker 2: elaborate dinner that we will have for the next ten days,
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Speaker 2: you know, like that sort of shit.
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Speaker 3: That's fair.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. So when they did get married, though,
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Speaker 2: his wedding gift to Elizabeth was his household. Whoa, but
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Speaker 2: it wasn't just it was not just a house. It's
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Speaker 2: not not even just a fucking mansion either, for that matter.
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Speaker 2: It was a fucking castle. A castle.
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Speaker 3: Well, I feel like I got jipped on the wedding
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Speaker 3: gift department.
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Speaker 2: Then the same it's castle and I'm gonna probably pronounce
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Speaker 2: this wrong. I had to look up phonetically how to
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Speaker 2: say it. Kachi check, but it's spelt really weird because
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Speaker 2: another language. But castle kuchi check. Which is located on
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Speaker 2: the lower end of Carpathian of the Carpathian Mountains. During
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Speaker 2: their marriage, they conceived at least five children. There's a
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Speaker 2: rumor of a sixth, but only three survived infancy. Okay again,
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Speaker 2: fifteen hundreds weird times. People die all the.
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Speaker 3: Time, right, Well, yeah, they didn't have like the means
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Speaker 3: of saving people really to the extent we do today.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, Yeah, Frenick was a part of many Hungarian wars.
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Speaker 2: He had a thirst for blood, and it's often said
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Speaker 2: that on the battlefield he would take the wounded soldiers
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Speaker 2: and impale them onto wooden stakes to watch them writhe
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Speaker 2: and scream in pain while they slowly died, a painful death,
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Speaker 2: much like that of someone who is said to be
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Speaker 2: related to Elizabeth Vlad the Impaler, who was the original
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Speaker 2: inspiration for Dracula.
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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I'm sorry, but like, who on earth
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Speaker 3: would enjoy watching something like that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? No, shit, Uh, there's clearly some people.
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Speaker 3: Oh well, yeah, clearly there are.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, times have definitely changed, though there still are people.
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Speaker 2: Though there still are some, but I mean out there,
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Speaker 2: I'm sure. Like back at that time, it was like
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Speaker 2: people hanging from the gallows all the time. Yeah, and
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Speaker 2: like the townsfolk would come and watch like it was
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Speaker 2: a pastime activity, you know. Oh, anyways, hangings and imhalings aside.
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Speaker 2: It was only a few years after the wedding when
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Speaker 2: Farenik was promoted to chief commander of the Hungarian troops
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Speaker 2: and was sent to war against the Ottoman Empire, which
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Speaker 2: is where he spent most of his time away at war,
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Speaker 2: and it was here that he was actually given the
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Speaker 2: nickname the Black Night of Hungary, which sounds fucking badass, yeah, but.
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Speaker 3: It also sounds like he's an asshole.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know which one sounds more badass,
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Speaker 2: the Black Night of Hungary or the Blood Countess. Probably
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Speaker 2: the Blood Countess. That's that sounds really fucking dope.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Scariest shit though, so after twenty nine years of marriage, however,
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Speaker 2: So this is a little A little while later, Frennick
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Speaker 2: was stricken with an unknown disease. Maybe it was karma
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Speaker 2: for you know, all the shit he did in the battlefield,
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Speaker 2: or maybe it was just the odds weren't in his
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Speaker 2: favor because disease wasn't exactly a thing that they could
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Speaker 2: cure or take care of in you know, sixteen hundred
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Speaker 2: sort of, yeah, regardless. On the fourth of January sixteen
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Speaker 2: oh four, at the age of forty eight, after twenty
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Speaker 2: nine years of marriage to Elizabeth, Elizabeth Frennick passed away. Now,
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Speaker 2: in Hungarian tradition, a widow generally stays out of the
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Speaker 2: public eye while mourning her husband's death for a year.
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Speaker 3: Oh wow, yes, a whole year, the.
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Speaker 2: Whole year of mourning, yes, which I.
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Speaker 3: Mean, grant you, it does take that long. But it's
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Speaker 3: just like interesting that they're not supposed to be seen
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Speaker 3: kind of thing.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure you could be like seen, but like
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Speaker 2: generally you just not doing much, you know.
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Speaker 3: Well, and you have all the help at home and stuff.
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Speaker 2: So sure, if you want to go for a stroll
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Speaker 2: in the park or something, I'm sure that's acceptable, but
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Speaker 2: you're not out doing political things or whatever. Like Elizabeth
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Speaker 2: was right, Okay, So, like I said, she's out doing
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Speaker 2: other stuff. Clearly she didn't do this. She in fact,
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Speaker 2: first off, took a trip to Vienna and went on
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Speaker 2: elaborate shopping spree, buying fine clothing and weares for herself
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Speaker 2: as well as her servants.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's honestly one way to mourn. I mean that's
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Speaker 3: a huge distraction.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. It's definitely a distraction. You know, fucking
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Speaker 2: makeover man, let's do it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, that's that's what she did immediately.
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Speaker 3: Good for her. Really, I don't know, I think that's
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Speaker 3: not I don't know. I don't think that's a terrible thing.
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Speaker 2: It's definitely a coping mechanism. Whether she was coping or not,
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Speaker 2: that would definitely be a means of it. Yeah. So
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Speaker 2: when she got back, she stayed a public figure. Like
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Speaker 2: I said, she was involved in many political affairs. Her
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Speaker 2: and her late husband were actually owed several debts that
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Speaker 2: she wasn't about to uh you know, forget.
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Speaker 3: Oh she means business, yeah, this woman.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. It was about this time, however, that rumors of
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Speaker 2: Elizabeth's thirst for blood began to spread. Word of her
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Speaker 2: capturing young girls and torturing them. But these were just rumors,
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Speaker 2: right were they doubtful are infamous? Dun, dun, dun.
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Speaker 3: I'm doubting they're just rumors.
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Speaker 2: Well, given the name or title she has and the
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Speaker 2: Guinness Book of Record thing, yeah, I'm pretty sure you
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Speaker 2: can guess. The rumors kept growing and kept spreading and
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Speaker 2: it eventually began became too much to be ignored. In
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Speaker 2: sixteen ten, King Matthias the Second would assign two individuals
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Speaker 2: to collect evidence on the allegations and rumors made again her.
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Speaker 2: I think this is like interesting because these rumors went
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Speaker 2: on for like, was it like eight years before anything.
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Speaker 3: Was done about it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was six It wasn't even it was
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Speaker 2: like maybe like it was within the year. It was
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Speaker 2: still sixteen oh four when these allegations started spreading. Okay,
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Speaker 2: so her husband died, she went on this trip, she
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Speaker 2: was still doing stuff in the public eye, still within
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Speaker 2: that year, and all this is happening, and then rumors
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Speaker 2: began to spread the same year. And now we're at
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Speaker 2: sixteen ten and they're finally looking into it, actually.
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Speaker 3: Doing something about it. That's actually yeah, that's a long
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Speaker 3: time it is, I.
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Speaker 2: Mean fair enough. I understand she's a quite like high
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Speaker 2: wealth and status.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be almost like a Rocky might not
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Speaker 3: want to turn over.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's it's still just interesting to me that
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Speaker 2: they let it go for that long, Like, oh, she
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Speaker 2: could potentially be murdering children, Eh, she's rich, you know,
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Speaker 2: children young girls, yes, so like and stuff. Yeah, that's
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Speaker 2: the allegation. Young girls.
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Speaker 3: Oh geez, okay, not that it would be any better
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Speaker 3: if those older women, but I don't know. Lots of
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Speaker 3: times when they're young, like I mean, they just have
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Speaker 3: their life ahead of them, right, and then it taken away.
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Speaker 3: It's just extra.
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Speaker 2: Shitty, definitely, because I mean, they didn't get to live really,
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Speaker 2: you know, their potential nothing exactly. So hundreds of testimonies
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Speaker 2: were collected from townspeople, Elizabeth's staff members, and even apparent
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Speaker 2: survivors from her dealings. What they revealed was nothing short
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Speaker 2: of horrifying. Elizabeth was in fact abducting young girls on average,
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Speaker 2: apparently by the age of ten. They were anywhere from
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Speaker 2: the age of six to fourteen. What I found varying
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Speaker 2: accounts on those age seems like every source they went
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Speaker 2: to it was different, so it's like averages ten. But
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Speaker 2: I did find a few accounts of as low as.
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Speaker 3: Six geez, oh my gosh. Okay.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So she would abduct these young girls and she
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Speaker 2: would hold them up in her property. There the girls
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Speaker 2: would be beaten severely and repeatedly by her. By her,
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Speaker 2: they would be mutilated, and they would be put into
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Speaker 2: freezing temperatures. And they would be left to starve to death.
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Speaker 2: Some girls were allegedly burned again repeatedly with hot tongs
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Speaker 2: and other burning pieces of iron. Others had parts of
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Speaker 2: their body, including their face, bitten off. What and some
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Speaker 2: were wounded and covered in honey then left for the
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Speaker 2: ants and insects to dive.
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Speaker 3: Holy crap, that's like some brutal.
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Speaker 2: Shit she enjoyed inflicting pain.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 2: And those are children, yeah, on average between the age
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Speaker 2: of six to fourteen, from what I could find.
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Speaker 3: Okay, Like I just couldn't imagine just watching, like because
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Speaker 3: that's like a kid, yeah, struggling.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and she would sit there, prod them with hot
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Speaker 2: irons and do all this, watch the screaming and crying,
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Speaker 2: and she would, I would assume, just laugh and keep going.
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Speaker 3: Holy shit, she's a monster. Yeah, Like that is a monster. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
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Speaker 2: Now there are, of course, the infamous allegations that Elizabeth
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Speaker 2: would collect blood from her victims, and only virgin victims
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Speaker 2: in fact, and that she would bathe in the blood
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Speaker 2: to conserve her youth, you know, like putting moisturize here
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Speaker 2: on your skin sort of thing. Same thing, And to
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Speaker 2: be fair, you can't bathe in blood without also enjoying
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Speaker 2: a nice tall glass of it for good metag.
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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, are you serious?
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Speaker 2: So there is also those allegations. However, however, those two accounts,
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Speaker 2: those stories didn't become part of her lore until she
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Speaker 2: was already dead for over a century. The claim first
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Speaker 2: appeared in print in seventeen twenty nine in the work
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Speaker 2: of a Jesuit scholar by the name of this is
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Speaker 2: can be really fucking hard to pronounce Laslow, but the
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Speaker 2: last name Turosi Troxy. No witness accounts from her trial
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Speaker 2: or testimonies ever make reference to baths of blood, so
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Speaker 2: as far as we can tell, those are strictly fiction.
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Speaker 2: But I do want to say one thing real quick.
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Speaker 2: Her biting in like the faces and body parts of
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Speaker 2: her victims could lead to the consumption of cannibalism, which
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Speaker 2: are at some allegations at times, and consumption of the
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Speaker 2: blood that is gross.
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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, just two really quick things. I just wanted
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Speaker 3: to say that she was because back then, like they
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Speaker 3: were like marrying really young and stuff. So that's why
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Speaker 3: I was just going so young if she wanted them
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Speaker 3: to be virgins or whatever, right, yeap? And then even
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Speaker 3: with that whole thing you had said at the beginning
21:26
Speaker 3: where they were rubbing blood blood on her, she like
21:31
Speaker 3: almost grew up with maybe the taste of blood.
21:33
Speaker 2: Well, that's where that theory comes in, is that she
21:38
Speaker 2: had this taste for blood. So this story is emerged
21:41
Speaker 2: that for her seizures, this was a treatment which gave
21:45
Speaker 2: her the development of a taste for blood. Yeah, However,
21:49
Speaker 2: there is no proof of that treatment for her seizures.
21:53
Speaker 2: That seems to strictly be legend and lore.
21:56
Speaker 3: Oh okay.
21:57
Speaker 2: As well as the consumption of blood. We don't know
22:00
Speaker 2: sure though that the consumption of blood might be plausible,
22:04
Speaker 2: but the bathing and blood there is zero evidence.
22:09
Speaker 3: I'm really wishing that I brought a different drink choice
22:12
Speaker 3: because now, like every time I go to drink this,
22:14
Speaker 3: I'm just like, oh my gosh, Like does it need
22:16
Speaker 3: to be bright red? Like? Does it need to be?
22:18
Speaker 2: I think you chose a good one for this.
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Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay, yeah, Well.
22:24
Speaker 2: We're going to get into her number here. Her number,
22:29
Speaker 2: her body.
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Speaker 3: Count, oh boy, do we want to know?
22:33
Speaker 2: Is said to be at least greater than eighty wow,
22:38
Speaker 2: but upwards of six hundred and fifty.
22:42
Speaker 4: What yes, holy shit, six hundred and fifty children. Yes,
22:50
Speaker 4: did she like what kind of how many people lived
22:52
Speaker 4: in the town that she lived in?
22:54
Speaker 2: You're just fucking stammering.
22:56
Speaker 3: Like, well, I'm just like fla humbergasted. Yeah, you people
23:02
Speaker 3: lived in that fucking town.
23:03
Speaker 2: I don't know, but now you understand the uh, the
23:08
Speaker 2: how she got her Guinness World records.
23:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, and now I really don't understand why it took
23:13
Speaker 3: them so fucking long, because that is a lot of
23:16
Speaker 3: people to be going missing, that is.
23:18
Speaker 2: But I mean, it's not like when people go missing
23:21
Speaker 2: in that day and age. It's not like you go
23:22
Speaker 2: to the police and report it and they write up
23:24
Speaker 2: a report and send it. It's like my kid is missing, Cool, lady,
23:28
Speaker 2: fuck off, we got some farmers we got to go
23:31
Speaker 2: get taxes from.
23:33
Speaker 3: You don't know that they might have taken it more serious.
23:36
Speaker 2: I'm sure if it's like peasants and stuff on the street,
23:39
Speaker 2: they don't give a fuck in that d age.
23:42
Speaker 3: But if in a year's span there's like fucking thirty.
23:47
Speaker 2: Or one hundred, I'm sure he just ran off. Oh jeez,
23:53
Speaker 2: I'm sure there were some reports, and some reports take
23:56
Speaker 2: it seriously. I'm just trying to play devil's advocate here
23:59
Speaker 2: and say that I'm sure majority of them they didn't
24:01
Speaker 2: give a fuck.
24:02
Speaker 3: Well, I don't like that answer. I'm sorry, that's a
24:05
Speaker 3: bullshit answer.
24:05
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Well, it was on December thirtieth of sixteen
24:11
Speaker 2: ten that Elizabeth was arrested in her home along with
24:15
Speaker 2: four of her servants were who were allegedly a part
24:18
Speaker 2: of Elizabeth's crimes as they helped her carry him out.
24:23
Speaker 3: Okay, which is kind of shitty for them because they
24:25
Speaker 3: probably didn't even have a.
24:26
Speaker 2: Choice, probably, although I mean, she went out shopping and
24:31
Speaker 2: bought them a bunch of gifts and stuff and like clothes,
24:33
Speaker 2: and I'm sure they were, like, you know, pretty tight
24:36
Speaker 2: with her too, so maybe they.
24:37
Speaker 3: Were willing participants.
24:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, the trial itself was called into question. However, even
24:45
Speaker 2: at this time, like this day and age sort of thing,
24:48
Speaker 2: many witnesses could not actually offer firsthand evidence, but would
24:53
Speaker 2: insist that they heard from a friend of a friend
24:56
Speaker 2: or whoever, that Elizabeth was actually doing these things. Many
25:02
Speaker 2: servants did confess to the heinous crimes of their mistress,
25:07
Speaker 2: but only after long, intense torture.
25:09
Speaker 3: Sessions, which you have to wonder if you can fully
25:15
Speaker 3: believe that or not.
25:16
Speaker 2: Yep. Now, given her major social status that put off
25:21
Speaker 2: the investigation for like eight years. It was actually decided
25:25
Speaker 2: that a public trial and execution would have been too
25:28
Speaker 2: scandalous and would have such a severe impact on the
25:31
Speaker 2: Hungarian country, so instead she was put on house arrest.
25:36
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, you're kidding.
25:38
Speaker 2: But house arrests in the sixteen hundreds is not the
25:42
Speaker 2: house arrest you would think of today.
25:44
Speaker 3: Oh, Okay.
25:46
Speaker 2: In her house she was bricked up where she had
25:50
Speaker 2: access to only a few rooms and was given a
25:53
Speaker 2: few small holes in the bricks for ventilation and access
25:56
Speaker 2: to food and water.
25:57
Speaker 3: Oh so it actually is kind of like a jail thing.
26:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a prison in her own home.
26:03
Speaker 3: Okay.
26:04
Speaker 2: So there. She remained in the castle of Kachichek for
26:08
Speaker 2: the rest of her life, and then died in her
26:10
Speaker 2: sleep on August twenty first, sixteen fourteen, only slightly over
26:15
Speaker 2: three years later, at the age of fifty four. Her servants, however,
26:21
Speaker 2: who were involved with her, were not quite so lucky.
26:25
Speaker 2: They were put on trial and subsequently hung for witchcraft.
26:29
Speaker 3: Wow, but like, they wouldn't probably have even hung her,
26:34
Speaker 3: or did they get hung before she passed, even like
26:37
Speaker 3: she probably wasn't even going to ever be hung.
26:40
Speaker 2: They thought about it, but they thought, you know, it's
26:42
Speaker 2: just like too high profile and too scandalous, so they
26:45
Speaker 2: house arrest instead.
26:46
Speaker 3: I don't like that.
26:47
Speaker 2: But of course the servant's low profile enough. Wow, kill them.
26:52
Speaker 3: I wonder what she died of.
26:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not too sure.
26:55
Speaker 3: Die peacefully in her sleep. I don't know if it's
26:57
Speaker 3: peacefully with fucking bitch fuck you.
27:00
Speaker 2: I want to die peacefully one day, not right now, not.
27:03
Speaker 3: Right now, but like, yeah, that's that would be the.
27:06
Speaker 2: Way to go, really, mm hmm, just nice and quiet,
27:09
Speaker 2: just off in your own rather than I don't know,
27:11
Speaker 2: having some little black eyed children knock on your front door.
27:14
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, they will kill you, remember, okay, Or
27:20
Speaker 3: being strung up in a dungeon at the age of
27:22
Speaker 3: like six and being.
27:24
Speaker 2: Prodded with hot iron and having your blood drained and
27:27
Speaker 2: eaten alive by ants.
27:28
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, no, yeah, oh yeah no for sure, eh
27:33
Speaker 3: yeah no.
27:35
Speaker 2: So some actually believe that Elizabeth didn't really do any
27:39
Speaker 2: of these things that she's guilty of because there was
27:41
Speaker 2: such a lack of evidence. One theory is that the
27:45
Speaker 2: debts she was owed by many nobles and royalty was
27:49
Speaker 2: too great, and a way to discredit her and the
27:52
Speaker 2: debts and to sweep them under the rug was to
27:56
Speaker 2: chase the false accusations of murder and witchcraft that led
28:02
Speaker 2: to her being imprisoned in her home and all these
28:05
Speaker 2: nobles and royalty got away without paying the debts. Really, yeah,
28:10
Speaker 2: that's one theory.
28:12
Speaker 3: That people were just making this shit up to save
28:15
Speaker 3: themselves some money.
28:16
Speaker 2: Yeah huh. I mean how often, like think back to
28:20
Speaker 2: like Salem witch trials. Someone didn't like someone witchcraft, she's
28:25
Speaker 2: a witch? Burn her?
28:27
Speaker 3: That's true.
28:28
Speaker 2: Actually, what's the difference?
28:30
Speaker 3: Yikes?
28:31
Speaker 2: So that is the story of the blood Countess.
28:36
Speaker 3: Well then it's interesting Zizbeth pathy sorry brains still going
28:40
Speaker 3: that they would wait until like her husband almost wasn't
28:44
Speaker 3: the picture to do like this shit potentially too, Like
28:47
Speaker 3: if he was still alive, they wouldn't have probably been
28:49
Speaker 3: doing these things, you know.
28:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, well very very likely actually, but they would have
28:57
Speaker 2: had to find some other way. They probably holding for
29:00
Speaker 2: him to die in the battlefield even mmmm.
29:04
Speaker 3: And then this bitch was still collect wanted to collect
29:07
Speaker 3: their debts, and they're like no.
29:08
Speaker 2: No, no, yeah, or maybe it could have just been that,
29:11
Speaker 2: you know, they weren't calling on the debts, and then
29:15
Speaker 2: when her husband died, she finally said, Okay, pay those
29:18
Speaker 2: debts back, and they're like wait seriously, She's like yeah,
29:22
Speaker 2: and then.
29:23
Speaker 3: They panic yeah, or and then they're like, here's my
29:27
Speaker 3: young virgin children. You can have them.
29:29
Speaker 2: Instead, maybe go bathing their blood.
29:34
Speaker 3: Hate that. Well, I'm gonna go have a nice hot bath.
29:38
Speaker 3: Just kidding.
29:40
Speaker 2: This is a story. You can go down the rabbit
29:42
Speaker 2: hole too. There's a lot of little bit of information.
29:45
Speaker 2: There's documentaries again, it inspired books, it's inspired movies. There's
29:50
Speaker 2: info galore out there. We only scratch the surface. I
29:55
Speaker 2: thought I thought about maybe not doing this for Halloween
29:59
Speaker 2: and doing a full app on it later.
30:01
Speaker 3: But it's just too good.
30:03
Speaker 2: It's too good.
30:04
Speaker 3: Yeah. So oh no, that was awesome. That's fun.
30:08
Speaker 2: It was good. Listen, So what do you got for
30:11
Speaker 2: us tomorrow on Halloween?
30:13
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
30:15
Speaker 2: A're you gonna tell us so you can make us
30:16
Speaker 2: weight and suspense.
30:17
Speaker 3: I don't know what should I do.
30:19
Speaker 2: That's up to you. I know what it is, but
30:21
Speaker 2: you do know.
30:22
Speaker 3: What it is. It's like I don't know. I could
30:26
Speaker 3: say it's I don't even know how it Google. We'll
30:28
Speaker 3: go about doing a hand eat.
30:29
Speaker 2: Okay, how's this? This is a paranormal case that has
30:34
Speaker 2: inspired several Hollywood blockbusters.
30:38
Speaker 3: Yes, and it's like at true story. Yes, so I
30:42
Speaker 3: think actually people can guess it by that.
30:44
Speaker 2: I think I think so. But it's it's good to
30:48
Speaker 2: look forward to a little bit too, and it can
30:50
Speaker 2: keep you guessing. Even if you guess it, you might
30:52
Speaker 2: be wrong.
30:53
Speaker 3: You never know until you it could drops.
30:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you'll have to find out tomorrow. And where
30:59
Speaker 2: can people find our socials?
31:01
Speaker 3: Well? Ben, I was gonna say Benjamin. That name, well Ben, Facebook,
31:07
Speaker 3: I say a different order every time, Instagram, Patreon, and
31:11
Speaker 3: we have a website, which is the one I usually forget.
31:13
Speaker 2: And where are they Wicked and Grim? But where can
31:17
Speaker 2: they find the links? I don't know the description of
31:20
Speaker 2: the podcast? Oh shit, yeah, there you go, ill the
31:25
Speaker 2: links in the show notes, the description down below. And
31:28
Speaker 2: of course you guys, thanks for listening, Thanks tuning in.
31:30
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you tomorrow. Them on all hallows
31:33
Speaker 3: E yikes, that's exciting, And until then, stay wicked