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Episode 8- Side Study- Did John Write his Gospel? Part 2 of 3 · The Burros of Berea Podcast

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  You are listening to the Boroughs of Berea.
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  Side Studies.
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  Welcome back to the Boroughs of Berea.
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  This is part two of our side study on who wrote the Gospel of John.
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  And this week we don't have Ralph Hicks, we have Cherry Lewis with us.
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  Say hi, Cherry.
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  Hello.
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  Hi, Cherry.
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  We also have Andy Bishop, as always.
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  Hello.
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  Thanks for joining us for this recording here.
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  I'm Rick Welch and we're here at the Giraffe Studio in beautiful Hendersonville, North
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  Carolina.
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  So, as I was talking in our last side study, I had said that the reason why I got interested
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  in doing, the reason why I want to do this podcast was because there were so many preconceived
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  notions that come with becoming a Christian.
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  Did you notice that yourself, like after you were a Christian for a little while, that
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  did you see that there were certain things already in place for you?
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  Yeah, I did.
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  It's kind of like it was just traditional kind of certain things were just the way they
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  were because they were the way they were.
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  Was there anything that stuck out in your head that, you know, when you started going
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  to school, did you learn anything that might be traditional that could be incorrect?
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  Anything come to you like that or were you just moldable and you were just learning?
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  Well, actually, when I was down there, you had mentioned previously in the, was it last
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  time I think maybe about, you know, Jesus being in the grave for three days and how
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  it wasn't possible if he was buried Friday for him to be risen on Sunday, which traditionally,
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  you know, that's what they go by.
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  Sure.
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  But actually the teacher down there did bring out that if you studied it out enough, it
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  was actually Monday.
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  Wednesday.
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  Well, maybe I'm wrong on the day, but I think he did show it was like technically not Sunday.
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  It's been a while, but I did think, I thought he said Monday.
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  As far as the day that he was crucified or the day that he rose?
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  That he rose.
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  Oh.
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  Yeah.
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  So he thought that it was a Monday.
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  Yeah.
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  Okay.
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  So I've never heard that.
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  I've always heard that the high Sabbath for the year, I think that was the year of Jubilee,
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  I think, I can't remember, because it was a high Sabbath, then you could have a Sabbath
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  day on a weekday.
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  It wasn't just a Saturday.
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  Now I'm very ignorant on the way all of that stuff works.
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  I've read it, it confuses me sometimes.
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  I don't even understand how they get their calendar the way they get it, but the Hebrew
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  calendar is based on the moon.
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  And so, and Leviticus 23 tells you when they're going to have the feast, which is Passover
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  and feast of unleavened bread and feast of trumpets and feast of booths.
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  And there's all these feasts and everything that they go by.
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  I've learned that those are all just the type or they're a shadow of things to come, like
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  in regard to Christ.
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  I've learned that much, you know.
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  But the main traditions, the ones that shocked me, like questioning who wrote the gospel
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  of John, like I never, in my early days, I never would have even considered it.
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  But it's just from reading it so much over and over and over.
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  And then suddenly things start to pop out and you're like, wait, what's going on?
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  Like why am I believing this?
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  You know, we quote scriptures out of context all the time, all the time.
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  Have you ever heard somebody say, like it says in the Bible, cleanliness is next to
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  godliness?
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  Yeah.
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  Find that verse.
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  It's not in there.
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  That's interesting.
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  I wonder where that comes from.
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  That was probably a verse that they took, changed into what they wanted it to say and
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  went with it.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, I think so.
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  I mean, for me, it's like, it doesn't even match the gospel at all.
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  I mean, you're not going to be clean enough.
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  Your righteousness is as filthy rags.
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  Now that is one.
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  Your righteousness is as good as a bloody tampon.
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  That's what the Bible actually says about your righteousness.
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  And so it's like, eh, you know, I don't know.
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  But for me, I just, I love to study.
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  And then when I find something, you know me, I like, I hang on something, I'll see something
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  I'm like, wait, I'm going to hang on to it.
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  I'm going to just pound it out until I figure it out.
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  And this is one of those scenarios that stuck with me for years.
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  That disciple whom Jesus loved, it just kept bothering me because, Andy, if you grow up
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  in a church, if they're like, you know, Rick, the one that Jesus loved, like you wouldn't
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  say that in like a normal, you know, normal cases.
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  Although we all believe that, you know, Jesus loves everyone.
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  He died for everyone.
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  That's the idea.
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  But if you reject him, then what?
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  Then what?
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  Is he lovingly throwing you into hell?
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  Is that what's happening here?
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  That's a good point.
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  I never really thought about that.
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  That particular twist has never occurred to me.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, is it conditional or is it unconditional?
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  You don't really think of that being Jesus's role.
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  Right.
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  It's just like Jesus blinks out of existence in Old Testament, God appears and throws you
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  in hell.
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  You're right.
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  Right?
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  Like that's kind of the idea.
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  You're just like, oh, he's not.
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  He's not a part of that.
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  Right.
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  You just give him a pass.
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  Until you read in Revelation and you see he's got this white hair and this like eyes like
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  fire and like, you know, he's a sword coming out of his mouth.
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  You know, there's also like this warrior Jesus that you're not used to.
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  You know, most people are used to the, you know, he's soft and he's like a teddy bear.
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  You know, he's just a big lovey guy.
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  Oh yeah.
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  Hippie Jesus is all the...
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  And I like Hippie Jesus too, for the record.
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  That's the guy you want to think you could be like because that seems like if you could
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  be that patient and as loving as that ideal, that's not even the biblical Jesus, let alone
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  with however the real man was.
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  Right.
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  Like, that's the ideal that you feel like it almost seems attainable and it seems like
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  a good way to be.
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  And I, you know, but yeah, that's not even how he is in the Bible.
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  Right.
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  He is very gentle and he's lowly.
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  You know, he's very humble and when he comes on the scene, he does not hang out with, you
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  know, the high society.
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  He could have been with the rich.
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  He could have been with the political.
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  He could have been with any of them, but instead he hung out with fishermen and tax collectors
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  and prostitutes and those that have been demon possessed that he healed and you just, you
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  name it.
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  But he had some, he had some highly influential people that believed in him too.
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  So well, I want to go ahead and get into this and wrap up this Lazarus thing and this is
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  going to take a little bit.
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  We might have to make this a three part side study.
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  I don't know.
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  There was quite a bit of notes there, but in order to prove that Lazarus is the writer
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  of John, you have to do a lot of backstory.
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  You also have to understand you could easily put John the apostle in some of these places.
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  For instance, whenever they go into the upper room for the last supper, Jesus says, you
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  know, I have longed to have this private time with you.
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  And he's talking to the disciples.
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  Lazarus wasn't one of the 12.
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  He wasn't.
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  So if he says, I've longed to be with you privately, then how in the world could it
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  be Lazarus?
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  Therefore it had to be one of the disciples.
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  So then we used to say, well, it's probably John or it could be James, the less one of
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  those, but that wasn't enough to deter me.
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  You know, I suddenly understood that there was some other people that were surrounding
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  that area that I never really thought about, but I used to question.
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  You remember whenever Jesus, whenever the guys were, okay, it's time for the Passover.
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  Where should we, you know, what should we do?
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  What did he tell them?
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  Do you remember what he told them?
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  To go into the city and to look for a man that's holding a water pot and then go to
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  him and then he'll take you inside and lead you to the good man of the house.
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  And then they will show you where we'll have it.
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  There you can prepare it.
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  There's two more people there that are not the disciples.
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  That's the man with the water pot that led them, that, you know, shows them.
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  And then there's the good man of the house who owns the home.
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  Who owns the home?
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  So whenever you read about the man with the water pot, does that intrigue you at all?
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  Did you ever wonder like, what is that all about?
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  I guess probably just from what I have been taught so far, my take would be obviously
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  anybody that's in the Bible is important.
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  But when there's a lack of a name, then it's not necessarily a person so much that's the
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  importance as it is what's actually going on.
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  So I never give thought necessarily to the individual themself as more so that there
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  must be something that I should be seeing in the whole thing, excluding making personification
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  with that individual.
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  Have you ever noticed that we can take a verse of scripture and we can analyze it and analyze
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  it and analyze it?
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  Do you ever analyze the line where it says, and John and Peter prepared the Passover?
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  Have you ever analyzed that or did you just read it as John and Peter prepared the Passover?
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  That's how I read it.
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  Right.
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  Sometimes when we read things, we really delve into the meaning of them and some other things
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  we don't so much.
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  Well, when I read it, I like to look into it deeper and see, is there something more
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  to this?
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  I always feel like, like Ralph said on the last one, the Holy Spirit doesn't waste his
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  breath.
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  If all scripture is God breathed, then is he wasting his breath on some of this or is
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  he not?
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  I mean, this is either the story or it's not.
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  It's almost like I set out to prove that the Bible was false to start with and then I couldn't.
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  Then I started really reading into it, maybe too deep, sometimes too deep, but you guys
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  are going to discover tonight, this is going to get really deep.
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  But I had said on the previous side study that I thought that Lazarus could have been
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  one of John's disciples, John the Baptist's disciples.
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  It could be that early because John was baptizing near Bethany by the Jordan.
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  Later you find out that Lazarus is from Bethany, Mary, Martha, Lazarus, they're all from Bethany.
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  A lot of things happen in Bethany, this two mile location right outside of Jerusalem.
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  But then I found out there's a lot of Bethany's and Bethphage.
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  I couldn't even tell if it was even the same location.
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  So I was like, well, I'm going to have to study that one a little bit further.
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  So I can't really mix those two, although it says that Andrew was one of John's disciples
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  and Andrew goes and tells Peter.
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  So we know that Andrew was a disciple of John the Baptist who moved over into Jesus.
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  So that's unique, but you couldn't really prove that about Lazarus.
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  But there was something that always stuck out to me and I think I found the proof that
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  I'm looking for.
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  So this is a story that we're all very familiar with.
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  It's the rich young ruler.
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  You've already read this, right?
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  I love what we talked about.
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  Okay.
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  Well, before I get into that, because I believe that Lazarus is that rich young ruler because
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  they're in, I think it's Perea, which is not far from Bethany that's described two miles
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  from Jerusalem.
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  But Lazarus, it's such an amazing story.
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  If it's really him, you want to talk about Jesus putting a camel through an eye of a
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  needle.
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  Talk about him putting one through an eye of a needle.
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  But before I get into that, I'm going to wrap up a few things from the last one.
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  So in Mark 16, 14, I asked the question, did John believe with the other disciples?
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  Mark 16, 14.
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  So Jesus says, afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat and abraded
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  them with their unbelief and hardness of heart because they believed not them which had seen
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  him after he was risen.
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  This is with the disciples.
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  Afterward he appeared unto the eleven.
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  Was John the apostle part of the eleven?
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  Do you think so?
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  John the apostle.
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  James and John were part of the twelve disciples.
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  The reason they're calling him the eleven is because Judas is dead.
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  So Peter, James, John, like those three that were really close to him, they were part of
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  the crucial close three, but then also they were part of the twelve disciples.
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  Judas is gone, so he says this to the eleven.
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  Now according to the Gospel of John, Mary Magdalene comes to the tomb first and then
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  she runs and gets Peter and the disciple whom Jesus loved and they're the next ones to arrive.
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  They run up to it.
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  Now the women have been there, but they've run up to it, right?
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  And it says that the disciple of Jesus' love stopped, he kneeled, like he ran to it, he
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  kneeled, he looked inside, then Peter went inside, then the disciple whom Jesus loved
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  went inside.
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  And he saw the napkin and he believed.
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  That's what it says.
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  He was one of the first people to go to the tomb.
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  Okay?
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  Do you remember that?
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  Yeah.
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  Okay.
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  I was just thinking, maybe Ralph said it before, if Lazarus is the one at the tomb with Peter,
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  he's already been risen from the dead.
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  So he's already personally experienced that, so why would he be doubting, I guess?
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  He didn't doubt.
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  But I'm saying like, why did he stop, wait, then go in and then see the napkin and then
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  believe?
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  Great point.
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  Why would he not want to run into a tomb all of a sudden?
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  He'd already been in one.
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  Was he afraid of death?
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  I don't think so.
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  But why did he stop?
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  You think it overwhelmed him?
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  I think it would be fair to say that he was overwhelmed, sure.
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  I think for him to stop, first of all, he went running up to it and then he gets there.
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  So what's the excitement?
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  What's the excitement for this disciple?
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  Jesus is risen.
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  Yeah.
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  Jesus is alive.
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  So if it's Lazarus, Lazarus was risen by Jesus.
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  But if Jesus was murdered and killed, this amazing human being, no matter what you think
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  about him, is dead.
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  Well, it's over unless he can really raise himself, if you think about it.
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  I mean, he did all these amazing things, but he stops, he looks in, he sees the napkin.
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  Remember, I told you that the word was sudarion.
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  Or I don't know if you weren't there in that study, but it's sudarion.
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  It's the napkin.
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  It's only used by two people, Jesus and Lazarus.
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  That's the only time it's mentioned in the scripture.
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  I mean, they all, people use napkins.
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  But if that's the case, the Shroud of Turin, you've heard of the Shroud of Turin, supposedly
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  the thing that covered, it's a fake.
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  The reason it's a fake is because Jesus had a napkin on his head.
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  He didn't have the whole shroud on him.
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  He had a napkin, you know?
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  But anyway, so according to this in Mark 16, it says, after that he appeared.
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  So now when Jesus was risen, this is Mark 16,9, now when Jesus was risen early the first
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  day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
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  And she went and told them that he, that had been with him as they mourned and wept.
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  And they, when they had heard that he was alive and had been seen of her, believed not.
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  But in the book of John, it says that Peter ran up, right?
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  But see, it never said anything about Peter believing, did it?
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  No, I don't think so.
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  So then it says, after that he appeared in another form unto them as they walked and
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  went into the country and they went and told it unto the residue, neither believed they
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  them.
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  Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meet and upbraided them with their
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  unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after
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  he was risen.
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  So Jesus himself says, he upbraids them for their disbelief.
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  You don't believe, you didn't believe.
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  But according to John, the disciple whom Jesus loved, who was at the tomb looking in the
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  tomb and saw the napkin, believed.
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  That's enough proof for me.
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  That's all I need to say it wasn't John the apostle.
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  That's all of it.
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  It can't be any of the eleven.
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  It's a separate disciple.
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  It's another disciple.
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  It's somebody else.
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  I have some more for you.
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  In this, I guess you could argue the point.
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  You could kind of play the game, I guess, with this one.
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  But if you remember whenever they're in the boat after when Jesus is resurrected and Peter
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  says I go a fishing, you know, and they all go with him.
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  I don't know if I did this in the last study, but I'm just going to say this really quick.
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  So it says there were together Simon Peter and Thomas called Didymus and Nathaniel of
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  Cana and Galilee and the sons of Zebedee and two other of his disciples.
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  This is John 21 verse one through.
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  So it says and Nathaniel of Cana and Galilee and the sons of Zebedee.
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  Who's that?
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  James and John.
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  James and John are the sons of Zebedee.
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  So you got Zebedee who's her father and the Salome who was their mother.
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  But James and John, they were called the sons of thunder or Bionergis or Bioneges.
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  I can't even say the word.
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  Sounds like a movie.
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  James and John, the sons of thunder.
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  It would be a comedy.
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  This would be a time for Ralph to start saying it was a NASCAR.
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  Okay, vaguely NASCAR.
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  All right.
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  Yeah.
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  Hi man, he's part of the sons of thunder.
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  Does he drive a Ford or a Dodge?
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  So if the author puts in the sons of Zebedee and then later says the disciple whom Jesus
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  loved, I guess you could kind of, because they say, well, he was there, whatever.
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  I disagree.
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  He calls out the sons of Zebedee.
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  Separate.
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  Separately and other disciples.
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  And so I'd said that whenever he and Peter were walking, and then Jesus tells Peter,
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  this is how you're going to die.
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  And then Peter turns and looks at the disciple whom Jesus loved and said, what about him?
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  Why was he looking at John?
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  So I put in, in my study, I started trying to figure out why they thought that it was
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  John because that question seems like there's some indignation in Peter if you look at it
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  from that perspective.
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  Now there's some jealousy going on.
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  Almost like, okay, well, I have to die because I'm following you.
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  So what about this guy?
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  And, you know, Ralph had said that's just his humanity.
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  That's just what humanity does.
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  Well, I looked into it and sure enough in Matthew 2020, Salome, the mother of James
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  and John comes to Jesus and says, I want you to put my son's one on each side of you when
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  you were in your throne room in the kingdom.
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  And Jesus says, you don't know what you're asking.
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  You know, it's not mine to give.
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  It's the father's to give.
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  And then it says that the disciples had indignation.
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  You can go read it in Matthew chapter 20, that they had this indignation towards them.
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  And Jesus explains it further.
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  But it's not, it's not hard to imagine that there could have been a little bit of something,
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  but I don't think so because Peter, James and John went everywhere together.
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  Every time Jesus did something unique, like the transfiguration on top of the mountain,
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  Peter, James and John went, you know, they were, whenever he was praying, you know, that
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  thought of whenever he's praying that Peter, James and John were there close to him.
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  And so he was praying.
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  It's the disciple whom Jesus loved.
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  So John is such a unique gospel and it's very different from the other three synoptics.
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  It's very different.
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  He shows seven major miracles, none of which are in the other gospels.
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  The other gospels don't mention some of the things that he's mentioning.
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  But when I was saying earlier about the rich young ruler, there is something unique about
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  him.
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  Okay.
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  And I'm going to bring it out.
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  Let's look at the possibility of Lazarus not only being the disciple whom Jesus loved,
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  but also being the rich young ruler.
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  And I think we can put this into a narrative that will, that you could believe.
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  So in Mark chapter 10, starting with verse 17, this is where we hear about this rich
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  young ruler.
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  And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running.
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  Just as soon as I read that, I was like, wait, he came running.
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  This is the only gospel that says that by the way, and kneeled.
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  So I think about the disciple whom Jesus loved that was running to the tomb and he stooped
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  down to look into it.
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  Listen, this is just words, but it's kind of what I thought of.
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  And asked him, good master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
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  And Jesus said unto him, why call us thou me good?
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  There is none good, but one that is God.
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  Let's stop right there for a second.
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  You ever thought about what Jesus just said?
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  Yes.
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  Did you question it?
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  Yes.
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  What was your question?
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  I didn't understand it because I thought, well, you're Jesus, you're God in the flesh.
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  You are good.
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  Yeah.
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  That kind of threw me off.
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  I was like, he recognizes you for who you are.
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  But then of course, Jesus kind of says, the only one good is God.
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  So I don't know.
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  I'm like, well, is it truly a question to the man or is it a statement that Jesus is
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  saying you need to recognize God for God?
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  Yeah.
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  Even though you're referencing me, I guess, Jesus in him in the flesh.
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  That threw me off.
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  Of course, I'm not a believer.
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  I think it's widely known if anybody listens.
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  But it was never, the way I was raised with religion, it was never presented to me that
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  Jesus himself was ineffable.
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  So there would be no conflict of interest there for me.
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  Jesus was, I don't know how, nobody ever put it this way, but Jesus was half God, right?
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  Until the point he died.
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  So it was like, there was never presented to me a reading in which Jesus himself was
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  perfect and ineffable.
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  That was never presented that way to me.
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  So there was no conflict there because he would have been this other thing that was
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  halfway but still human and fallible in that way.
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  I think somebody said that in the other thing, but it's just funny because that Jesus is
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  perfect reading, never heard that in my life.
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  That's literally new to me as an adult, that interpretation of Jesus.
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  Well, if he, see, and it's good that you bring that out because there's a lot of people that
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  don't know that.
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  Jesus was sinless.
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  The only reason why the sacrifice of his life for our sin worked was because he was the
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  spotless lamb without blemish, without spot, right?
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  He did not sin.
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  He never sinned in his life.
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  Now before I'm like, really?
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  When you were a little kid, like, you know.
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  Is it one of those things like Jesus didn't sin because Jesus didn't sin or is it like
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  Jesus didn't sin because by definition anything he does is not sin?
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  Because it seems like the latter to me because he struck a child dead, right?
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  No.
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  Okay, there's a biblical story somewhere that I might be-
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  That's a pseudo-pigryphal writing you're reading from, but I've heard it.
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  Okay, okay.
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  So-
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  He also killed a bird and brought a bird back to life in that same book.
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  Yeah.
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  It seems to me that some of these things are, it is not sin because Jesus did it.
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  You know what I mean?
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  And that seems to be the line that gets walked sometimes.
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  Almost like he sinned, but it was inexcusable because he was Jesus kind of thing?
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  Well, it's sort of like Jesus would never do it.
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  I think the inference is more something like Jesus would never do anything without good
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  reason.
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  Therefore, if Jesus did it, you know there was good reason.
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  And if there was good reason and he was Jesus doing it, it was not a sin.
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  That was sort of the suggestion.
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  Sure.
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  God had already written out the moral law prior to Jesus walking the earth.
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  I think if Jesus had come before the law, then I think everything you just said probably
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  would stand true because there would be nothing to reference from.
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  But because God had already laid this law out, not just the Ten Commandments, but Deuteronomy,
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  the second law and how, and you had Leviticus, which was all of these laws for the priesthood.
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  And then you've got, what are they, 627 different laws or something that has been written to
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  it.
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  Jesus, when he arrived, had to fulfill all of them.
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  First of all, he couldn't commit sin.
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  And then he had to fulfill all of the things about himself in order to do that.
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  So in order to fulfill the prophecy.
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  Truthfully when God wrote his law, the only one that could fulfill it was himself.
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  Man could not do it.
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  I remember working with a man named Ray Murphy.
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  He used to say, you cannot legislate morality.
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  You can try, but you cannot legislate it.
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  They will fail.
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  But that's what laws are.
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  I mean, trying to legislate some form of morality, you know, but that one line struck me.
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  It struck me too.
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  When he says, why do you call me good?
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  He's asking him that question.
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  Why do you call me good?
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  There's nothing good but God.
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  Are you saying that I'm God?
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  Right.
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  That's, you know, I kind of thought that.
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  And then I'm like, well, or is he, so to me, it seemed like it wasn't really so much as
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  the question as it was a statement without saying it.
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  Does that make sense?
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  Yes.
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  I thought he was rebuking him.
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  Don't call me good.
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  Only God's good.
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  That's not, to me, I don't think that's what he's saying at all.
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  I think he's saying, hey, do you know who you're talking to?
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  Why are you saying that to me?
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  Do you run around going around saying people are good?
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  There's nothing good but God.
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  But do you think that I'm God?
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  Kind of like when Pilate asked him.
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  What is truth?
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  Are you a king?
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  Oh yeah.
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  He says, thou sayest I'm a king.
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  Almost like a word twister kind of thing.
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  Like are you admitting to me that you think this or you know, so like the rich young ruler
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  saying to him, are you admitting to me that you know who I am?
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  Yeah.
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  Well, if you think about what Pilate's saying is, are you a king?
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  Because that's a direct threat.
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  And he said, you say that I'm a king.
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  My kingdom is not of this world.
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  So he's like, you guys are giving me this title.
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  I'm telling you, my kingdom's not even from here, which is not a threat.
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  That's why he washed his hands and he's like, there's nothing wrong with this guy.
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  If anything, he probably thought he was a crackpot.
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  But he says to him, I came for the truth.
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  And Pilate's like, what is truth?
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  I love that line because it's like, Jesus says, I am the way.
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  The truth.
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  And the life.
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  He wouldn't know truth if it was standing two feet in front of his face.
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  I've said that many times.
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  So we get back to the rich young ruler and he's mistakenly called Jesus good or he wasn't
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  mistaken.
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  And so he says, you know the commandments, right?
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  Let's read them.
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  Let's read what he says to him.
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  He says, you know the commandments.
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  Do not commit adultery.
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  Do not kill.
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  Do not steal.
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  Do not bear false witness.
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  Defraud not.
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  Honor thy father and mother.
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  And he answered and said unto him, master, all these have I observed for my youth.
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  Now I used to think that was sort of, oh really?
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  Mr. You didn't sin.
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  But you know, it's possible.
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  Listen, Paul said that he was pretty strong in his faith and he did not falter very much.
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  Very, very, very few sins in Paul's life.
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  That's the way he saw himself.
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  I think it would be safe to say that this guy's probably kept all of these things.
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  Well, that's what they were taught.
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  Yeah.
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  Follow these.
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  Do these.
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  That's right.
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  These are the things that you have to do.
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  I think it's possible.
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  And he says, master, all these have I observed for my youth.
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  But then listen to this.
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  Then Jesus beholding him loved him.
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  He called him master too.
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  He did.
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  He loved him and said unto him, one thing thou lackest, go thy way, sell whatsoever
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  thou hast and give to the poor and thou shalt have treasure in heaven and come, take up
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  the cross and follow me.
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  And he was sad at that saying and went away grieved for he had great possessions.
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  And Jesus looked round about and saith unto his disciples, how hardly shall they that
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  have riches enter into the kingdom of God.
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  And the disciples were astonished at his words.
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  The disciples were astonished at him saying that.
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  But Jesus answered again and saith unto them, children, how hard is it for them that trust
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  in riches to enter into the kingdom of God?
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  It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter
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  into the kingdom of God.
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  And they were astonished out of measure.
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  Like super astonished, right?
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  A saying among themselves, who then can be saved?
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  And Jesus looking upon them, saith with men it is impossible, but not with God.
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  For with God, all things are possible.
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  And Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all and have followed thee.
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  And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, there is no man that hath left house
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  or brethren or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands for my sake and
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  the gospels, but he shall receive in a hundredfold now and this time houses and brethren and
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  sisters and mothers and children and lands with persecutions and in the world to come
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  eternal life.
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  But many that are first shall be last and the last first.
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  So did you notice that the disciples were astonished at that about the rich part?
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  Had you read that before or noticed that before?
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  I had, but I didn't give it so much thought, I guess, to that they were astonished.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, but it puts you, if you stop and you read what it says, it puts you in their culture.
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  They were astonished that Jesus was saying that man isn't going to go to heaven.
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  He's not going to make it.
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  And they're like, what?
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  He does throw a loophole in though, but through the power of God.
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  So he makes it not impossible.
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  It is.
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  Right.
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  Yeah.
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  It is one of my more liked phrases in the Bible though.
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  About the impossible?
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  Well, no, no, no.
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  It's about the value of wealth in the afterlife.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, I think that we're learning about the culture that they saw these rich rulers,
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  these political people that were in power as the ones that were most likely going to
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  make it when it came to God and they were just sort of a forgotten thing.
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  They were unimportant.
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  They didn't follow the rules well enough like those guys did.
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  Those guys were, they're the ones that are going to go to heaven.
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  They're the ones that are going to be close to God.
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  This is fascinating to me because I'm used to that through the lens of Catholicism, right?
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  That was the problem that created the Reformation and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
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  And I didn't realize kind of Judaism that sprang that far back really.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, and it does.
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  And so-
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  So you're saying the disciples look at this rich man ruler and are astonished that they're
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  looking upon him, what he has, what he's done.
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  And they're thinking for sure this young man would be one that would make it in reference
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  to looking to themselves.
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  That they weren't, I guess, to the statute of this man or financial standing wealth.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, I would say that in their culture, that's how they saw it.
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  If he truly was the guy that didn't commit any of those sins and he was very wealthy
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  and he was a ruler-
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  So he couldn't get in, no one could get in.
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  Yeah.
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  It's like, if that guy's not going to make it, then what about Cussin Peter that's out
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  there naked fishing?
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  How else he going to get up in there?
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  Right.
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  Yeah.
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  It's like Larry the Cable guy versus Pat Robertson.
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  Which one's going to get in?
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  I tell you what, buddy.
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  I think the answer is clearly Larry the Cable guy.
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  Dan Whitley, whatever his name is.
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  Is that his name?
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  Yeah, something like that.
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  I always wondered.
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  Yeah, that just makes me think.
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  I guess, you know-
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  Yeah, he's from Rhode Island.
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  Really?
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  Oh yeah, that's a character.
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  Well, I know it's a character.
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  And a good one.
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  He's very good.
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  I mean, I was fooled.
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  And a good one.
• 33:50
  Yeah, no.
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  As low as that comedy is, it's always been funny to me.
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  But yeah, he's like from Rhode, Connecticut.
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  It's one of them.
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  I think it's Dan Whitley's real name.
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  Wow.
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  He's really funny.
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  I love when he talks about going to get some of them edible eating britches.
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  He said, I got me about six pair of them blueberry.
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  And he said, I ate like four of them on the way home.
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  He said, you better be glad they wasn't biscuits and gravy flavored.
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  Oh God.
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  Oh man.
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  Edible eating britches.
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  I guess, you know what I'm talking about.
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  People looking at one another with assumption that so-and-so must be, gonna be in heaven.
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  Of course.
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  They have to be because they do everything right.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, I do nothing right.
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  Look at it today.
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  Look at the ones that are wearing the suits and the ties and the nice dress shoes and
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  they're prim and proper.
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  Let's look at the women that are in the fanciest dresses and they all, you know, I don't judge
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  them because I know a lot of people that dress like that, that I love dearly and they are
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  true believers.
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  Right.
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  But there's also some that aren't quite there and it's about that look, you know, and then
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  on the outside people look at them and they're like, man, they must be really something because
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  they're, you know, they go to church and they do all this stuff.
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  It's easy to think people you don't know are guiltless kind of, especially if they dress
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  well, you know what I mean?
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  You don't see them often.
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  You only interact with them on a surface level.
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  It's very easy to think that that person is nice all the time just because the one time
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  you see them a month, they're able to put a smile on, but you don't know.
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  They might be great people.
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  I'm not saying, you know what I mean?
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  I'm not saying they're not.
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  I'm just saying you have no idea.
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  Sure.
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  I mean, I think that for them to be astonished, it's not too far of a stretch.
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  We even have it in our time.
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  We do it ourselves, you know, but Jesus really calls it out.
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  You know, it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of an eagle than for a rich man to
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  enter into the kingdom of heaven.
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  And that was a shocking saying to them, you know, and Peter made it very clear, look,
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  we've left everything, you know, and he says, oh, not without reward.
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  You haven't, but this young ruler didn't hear any of that.
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  He already ran off at this point or had, you know, left, sadly had left, but I don't think
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  that he was as far away from Christ as you think.
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  I think that he had, he suddenly, he came with the right question.
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  What must I do to get an eternal life?
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  This is what I want.
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  This is that one thing.
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  This is what I actually want to live forever.
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  And he says, look, the only way you're going to live forever is to get rid of all of the
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  other temporary things in your life and then come and pick up your cross.
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  He says that you got to come with me.
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  I'm going to a cross.
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  And he's like, oh man, I've got all this stuff, you know, I've got all this stuff.
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  I'm not giving up this stuff.
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  You ever thought?
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  Well, I don't know.
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  I was just thinking, I don't know when I, when I got saved, it didn't have anything to
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  do with living eternally, I guess.
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  It was never, I never really thought much about that part.
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  Not at all really.
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  Right.
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  But I mean, obviously he did because he stated it.
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  Yeah.
• 37:06
  That he wanted eternal life.
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  What did you think about?
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  Yeah, I just thought just a shambled up mess.
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  Yeah.
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  Just broken.
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  Uh huh.
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  Like I can remember standing and, uh, like I had a conversation with the Lord in my brother-in-law's
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  driveway.
• 37:25
  You know, he had passed away.
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  Right.
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  And, um, I just said, I was like, I've tried everything.
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  That's what I said.
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  I've tried everything.
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  Right.
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  And I have nothing left to try.
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  I don't have, I'm out of ideas.
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  I'm done.
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  I'm broken.
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  That's it.
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  Sure.
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  I have nowhere else to turn to.
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  I never once thought about hell and I never thought about eternal life.
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  Yeah.
• 37:53
  I didn't get saved out of fear of hell either.
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  In fact, I don't like the way that they preach that.
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  It irritates me.
• 38:00
  Trying to scare somebody into heaven is a terrible idea.
• 38:05
  Thinking that you're saving someone's life from the pit, like they're being dangled over
• 38:09
  hell is a, of course it's going to work.
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  It's going to be an emotional thing where people are afraid, but what they don't understand
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  is that they're driving the sin of, of actually self preserving them.
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  You know, like the sin of self preservation.
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  I don't want to go to hell so bad that I'll do whatever.
• 38:27
  You know, it's, that's not the reason to be saved.
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  I just kind of thought, think of it like, if you're lost, you don't believe, I mean,
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  you hear about Jesus, you know, but you don't have a personal relationship with him.
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  You know, if you don't really think much about him, why are you going to give much thought
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  about hell or anything else really?
• 38:49
  Sure.
• 38:50
  Most people don't even have an understanding of what hell is anyway.
• 38:52
  They think, well, I'm going to go party down there.
• 38:54
  Yeah.
• 38:55
  I mean, that's whatever, whatever about all that.
• 38:58
  For me that, you know, what's the enticing part of salvation?
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  Well, first of all, I don't know what it is that you're looking for.
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  I have no clue.
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  Right.
• 39:07
  I can tell you of someone that radically changed me.
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  Right.
• 39:13
  That's it.
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  And I can't do anything further from that.
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  I can tell you about him and I can say, listen, there's something inside you just like the
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  rest of us that's broken.
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  Right.
• 39:26
  We're not necessarily trying to save you from hell or get you into heaven.
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  We're trying to get Christ in you.
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  If Christ is in you, then you have the hope of glory, whatever that is.
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  Right.
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  Right.
• 39:39
  So what's the good news?
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  Behold, the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
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  The good news.
• 39:43
  What's good?
• 39:44
  The lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world.
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  What's the good news?
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  Resurrection?
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  You won't die.
• 39:50
  I mean, sometimes I'm like, man, I just want to die.
• 39:53
  I'm not being suicidal.
• 39:54
  I'm just tired.
• 39:55
  I'm exhausted, man.
• 39:56
  You ever feel that way?
• 39:57
  I'm over it.
• 39:58
  Like, I'm not, I'm not suicidal, but I'm just, I'm tired.
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  Today's a good day.
• 40:04
  I'm over it down here.
• 40:05
  Yeah, totally.
• 40:06
  I was listening to a podcast once and they had a friend, a well-known comedian, Brody
• 40:12
  Stevens that killed himself.
• 40:14
  And this one dude, his reaction to, it was like, one guy was like, he was like 50 and
• 40:19
  the other guy was like, man, that's a long time to be exhausted.
• 40:22
  That's right.
• 40:23
  And it's just, that's just the way he said that just stuck with me.
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  I was like, oh, that's it, isn't it?
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, sadly, I think of someone personally I know like that.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, that's a long time to be exhausted.
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  It is.
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  And it, yeah, and it's, it's, that's dark, but it, you understand what he meant.
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  Yeah.
• 40:43
  Yeah.
• 40:44
  Yeah.
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  I've had those moments myself, you know, where I'm just like, it's not that I'm at the end
• 40:47
  of my rope.
• 40:48
  I'm just terribly depressed.
• 40:50
  I'm just like, eh, you know, this is, I'm really tired.
• 40:54
  Oh yeah.
• 40:55
  That's, I'm not even that.
• 40:56
  I'm just like, some days I'm like, God, is this, this seems like a lot of work.
• 40:59
  I don't even know what I'm getting out of it.
• 41:02
  Yeah.
• 41:03
  And it's like facing down, like my company, like sometimes I just want to jump off a bridge,
• 41:08
  you know, cause it's like so many problems all the time.
• 41:11
  And at the end of it, when all of this rat race is done, there's probably going to be
• 41:15
  a cheese at the end of the maze.
• 41:17
  You know?
• 41:18
  Or it's rotten.
• 41:19
  Darn it.
• 41:20
  I was late.
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  Limburger.
• 41:22
  I didn't like Limburger.
• 41:23
  You know?
• 41:24
  Yeah.
• 41:25
  Anyway.
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  So Peter, whenever you told Jesus after Jesus went through all this about, you know, the
• 41:36
  riches and what you can do, Peter said, you know, but hey, we, we first look all.
• 41:42
  But you know, I remembered that when, when Jesus came and asked them, you know, did you
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  catch anything when he first met Peter?
• 41:49
  Did you catch anything?
• 41:50
  Peter's like, no, we've toiled all night.
• 41:52
  He's like, well, cast the nets on the other side, but we've been out all night.
• 41:55
  Like we know what we're doing.
• 41:57
  It's like cast it over.
• 41:58
  There's the cast on the other side and they have this miraculous catch of fishes.
• 42:01
  Right?
• 42:02
  And then Peter's like, go away from me, Lord.
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  I'm a sinful man.
• 42:05
  Like he just saw something amazing.
• 42:08
  Well, if you are a fisherman, okay.
• 42:13
  And Jesus comes and says, how you been doing on your business tonight?
• 42:18
  How'd last night go for your catch?
• 42:19
  And he's like, man, man, I ain't even got enough to feed my family.
• 42:23
  Much less to earn a living.
• 42:26
  And he says, well, cast on the other side.
• 42:28
  And suddenly you get a big injection of capital in your business.
• 42:32
  It's like, can you imagine Andy, if you got a phone call from Lady Gaga and she was like,
• 42:38
  dude, I've, I've heard so much about giraffe studio.
• 42:41
  I have to record at giraffe studio.
• 42:44
  You know, I have no idea how I'd react to that disbelief.
• 42:48
  I'd say, I would venture to say that your rate per hour would go up.
• 42:52
  Oh yeah.
• 42:53
  But if you think about it, like, for a small fee, you know, sure.
• 43:00
  You can rent the whole studio for two weeks, you know, but when that, when something that
• 43:04
  amazing happens and it changes your life, you know, it really does.
• 43:08
  It puts life in perspective, you know, just for a second.
• 43:12
  When something amazing like that happens to you, you're like, wow, I know it's so silly
• 43:15
  to hear, you know, Stillwater said 65,000 views on YouTube during COVID.
• 43:22
  And I got so many thumbs downs, which that tells me people were watching it.
• 43:27
  That's what Andy was like, that's a good thing.
• 43:29
  You know, like they don't like it.
• 43:31
  That means they watch the whole thing.
• 43:32
  What did they say?
• 43:33
  The, the opposite of, the opposite of love isn't hate, it's apathy.
• 43:38
  Yeah, that's right.
• 43:39
  I knew a guy who said he was an apathiest.
• 43:42
  It didn't, it wasn't that he didn't believe in God.
• 43:44
  He just really didn't care.
• 43:47
  Yeah.
• 43:48
  Brutal.
• 43:50
  Just brutal.
• 43:52
  So you know, Peter got that big injection into it.
• 43:54
  You know, suddenly he's like, oh wow, this is amazing.
• 43:56
  Why wouldn't you go with this guy?
• 43:58
  I mean, think about it.
• 44:00
  Right.
• 44:01
  He understood himself as a simple man, like, Hey, why are you doing this good for somebody
• 44:04
  like me?
• 44:05
  Yeah.
• 44:06
  But he did the rich young ruler.
• 44:08
  He told me, he was like, Oh, you got to get rid of everything you have.
• 44:10
  If you're going to follow me, the other guys, he gave them everything and then said, come
• 44:13
  with me.
• 44:14
  Do you get it?
• 44:15
  Do you see the difference?
• 44:17
  It's not that they like, we like to teach that they forsook all like, Oh, they just
• 44:21
  left their job and forsook all.
• 44:22
  Yeah.
• 44:23
  Matthew did the tax collector.
• 44:25
  He certainly did.
• 44:26
  He took a big risk, but he was hated by the entire nation because he was a sellout for
• 44:32
  Rome.
• 44:33
  He was hated.
• 44:34
  He had nothing better going for him.
• 44:36
  Right.
• 44:37
  Right.
• 44:38
  And then these other fishermen, they get this big injection of capital, they're going.
• 44:41
  And then it's almost like we think that he just picked a bunch of losers and then turn
• 44:45
  him into things.
• 44:46
  And these were men from all walks of life that came and followed him.
• 44:52
  But every one of them had a lesson to be learned.
• 44:54
  And it was usually the antithesis of their nature that they had to learn.
• 44:59
  Like Judas with the money bag.
• 45:01
  Yeah.
• 45:02
  You know, like, why would you give the thief the money bag?
• 45:04
  The same reason why you would give the read the name rock because he becomes that, you
• 45:08
  know, when you meet Jesus, you change.
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  Yes.
• 45:12
  Okay.
• 45:13
  So that in mind when you meet the rich young ruler, because he went away sad.
• 45:19
  Okay.
• 45:21
  But he's the only other person in scripture that it says Jesus loved.
• 45:27
  In John 11, it says Jesus loved Mary, Martha, and Lazarus.
• 45:31
  And I said in the last study that Lazarus is the only named man prior to the Pentecost
• 45:36
  where it says that Jesus loved him.
• 45:38
  Okay.
• 45:39
  Period.
• 45:40
  That, just because it said that, that's what stuck out in my head.
• 45:44
  Because when I got to the disciple whom Jesus loved, I just started seeing this love, love,
• 45:48
  love.
• 45:49
  Like it started following it around.
• 45:51
  So suddenly I was like, well, wait a minute.
• 45:53
  So could Lazarus have been rich?
• 45:56
  Well, let's think about what his sister did.
• 45:59
  Mary goes in with this ointment or spike nerd is what it's called.
• 46:04
  It was a very expensive ointment and she breaks it and she pours it on his head and she whips
• 46:10
  it, she weeps and she wipes off his feet.
• 46:13
  Jesus says, or the disciple Judas actually says, what a waste.
• 46:19
  It says that it was worth a year's wages, a year's wages.
• 46:24
  And I've never, you know, I barely give Jesus $400, you know, like a hundred dollars, like
• 46:29
  a year's wages in one fell swoop.
• 46:34
  Let's just say that they had some money there too.
• 46:37
  Okay.
• 46:38
  So this was Lazarus, Mary, Martha.
• 46:41
  So I think it's safe to say that Lazarus comes from a wealthy family.
• 46:47
  You don't give away a year's wages.
• 46:48
  And in my opinion, she does it twice because I believe that she is the same person in Luke
• 46:54
  chapter seven that's in the Northern region near Capernaum and Nain.
• 47:00
  Whenever that one woman goes into Simon the Pharisee's house and she walks in and she
• 47:06
  breaks the alabaster jar and puts it on Jesus and then starts wiping his feet with her tears.
• 47:14
  And Simon the Pharisee says, if he knew what kind of woman this was, he would not let her
• 47:20
  touch him.
• 47:21
  Go ahead.
• 47:22
  Gotcha.
• 47:23
  Yeah.
• 47:24
  But if you were to read it, not paying attention to where, location wise.
• 47:31
  You'd think it was the same.
• 47:32
  You would think it was the same story.
• 47:33
  Yeah, it's not.
• 47:35
  I thought it was for the longest time and I couldn't, it used to irritate me because
• 47:40
  all of the other accounts are in Bethany, but this one is up in Capernaum.
• 47:44
  It's the Northern region.
• 47:46
  One also says Simon's house.
• 47:48
  The other says Mary, Martha.
• 47:50
  Well they are in Simon's house, Simon the leper.
• 47:55
  So in the first one, it's Simon the Pharisee.
• 47:59
  And then Jesus is invited into his house.
• 48:03
  This is up in the Northern part of Israel.
• 48:05
  So he gets invited in and then this woman comes in and then he gives them the parable
• 48:08
  of the two debtors.
• 48:09
  Have you ever heard that parable of the two debtors?
• 48:12
  I don't think maybe if I heard it, I would remember.
• 48:16
  Basic thought.
• 48:17
  If one man owes you a million dollars and another man owes you 50 and I grant forgiveness
• 48:24
  to both of them, which one do you think would love me the most?
• 48:27
  Oh, well that's interesting just to be, because my brain is like, this is a riddle.
• 48:34
  Looking at it backwards, I want to say the guy who owed 50 bucks because it depends
• 48:39
  on your income, right?
• 48:41
  That $50 could be significantly more meaningful to the right person.
• 48:45
  You could definitely.
• 48:46
  I can see where your brain would go there.
• 48:48
  But my brain was like, it's a trick.
• 48:49
  The answer is a million dollars because it's more.
• 48:53
  The one who's been forgiven more is the one that would be more thankful.
• 48:56
  And I think when that woman who is a sinner is in there crying and wiping his feet and
• 49:01
  he says, he looks at the Pharisee and he's like, listen, if somebody owes me a million
• 49:07
  dollars or somebody owes me 50 and I forgive them both, who's going to love me more?
• 49:11
  That was easy for him to understand.
• 49:12
  Oh, that woman's the sinner.
• 49:13
  But what he didn't realize is that Simon was the one that really owes them more.
• 49:19
  He just doesn't know it.
• 49:20
  That's the backward part of the story.
• 49:23
  No, I never heard that one.
• 49:25
  No?
• 49:26
  Yeah.
• 49:27
  And that's found I think in Luke chapter seven.
• 49:30
  So with what happened there, I think it's the same woman early on in her life where
• 49:36
  she's being forgiven before Mary ends up at his feet later on in Luke chapter 10, because
• 49:45
  then he goes to Martha's house and then Mary is at his feet and Martha gets all, you know,
• 49:51
  flustered.
• 49:52
  You see me up in here working?
• 49:53
  I'm a church lady up in here working.
• 49:55
  You need to get up in here.
• 49:56
  You need to help me.
• 50:00
  So I think it's the same woman and I also think it's the same Simon.
• 50:07
  And here's why, because anytime you meet Jesus, when I met Jesus, I was a different person
• 50:12
  than I am today.
• 50:14
  And after so much time with him, I developed into who I am.
• 50:20
  And I think it's safe to say that Mary, I think that Lazarus' sister Mary is Mary of
• 50:27
  Magdalene or Mary Magdalene.
• 50:30
  I wondered.
• 50:31
  I think they are.
• 50:32
  It's hard to prove it, but it's hard.
• 50:34
  In my opinion, it's like, that's the same woman.
• 50:38
  The woman that came in, that's how Simon would have said if he knew what kind of woman she
• 50:43
  was because Mary Magdalene was a sinner.
• 50:47
  And a lot of times they mistake that and they say that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute because
• 50:51
  he called her a sinner.
• 50:53
  Mary Magdalene was demon possessed by seven demons.
• 50:57
  And so you don't know what her sins were, but Jesus forgave her of her sin.
• 51:02
  In the very next chapter, it says that Mary Magdalene followed along with him and the
• 51:07
  other women and gave him of her means.
• 51:12
  It seems to me like Mary is the one that leads Jesus to the household of Martha and Lazarus
• 51:17
  from up North.
• 51:20
  And if you follow Jesus, his patterns, he goes into Jerusalem, he goes back out and
• 51:25
  he goes into Jerusalem, he goes back out.
• 51:26
  Well, Bethany is two miles from there.
• 51:28
  Bethany is within close proximity of Jerusalem.
• 51:32
  It's almost like everybody is gathering and gathering and gathering and then finally gets
• 51:36
  to this place right before he gets to Jerusalem.
• 51:39
  And then he raises Lazarus from the dead.
• 51:43
  Everybody's being led there.
• 51:44
  Now in chapter 12 of John, Simon the leper has a dinner in his home.
• 51:49
  But guess what?
• 51:50
  This is what blows my mind.
• 51:52
  In the gospel of John, it says Judas, Simon's son.
• 51:59
  Yes.
• 52:00
  I was going to actually ask you that.
• 52:02
  Just a few minutes I was like, is that Judas's dad?
• 52:07
  Yes, it is.
• 52:08
  I think I asked someone that one time and they kind of looked at me like I had two heads.
• 52:12
  People try to separate these characters.
• 52:14
  Why do they do that?
• 52:15
  It's in the narrative.
• 52:16
  And they're like, well, this guy has been studying for 40 years and he said that it
• 52:20
  wasn't.
• 52:21
  Horse malarkey, read it yourself.
• 52:24
  It's right there.
• 52:25
  I did.
• 52:26
  I actually thought that.
• 52:27
  If it's in all the other accounts, in my opinion, Simon the Pharisee was in the Northern region.
• 52:33
  Simon the Pharisee encountered Jesus.
• 52:36
  After he met with Jesus, Simon the Pharisee got leprosy.
• 52:42
  Simon the Pharisee was one of the 10.
• 52:46
  That came back to thank him.
• 52:47
  Nope.
• 52:48
  Is that what you're talking about?
• 52:49
  I think he was a Samaritan.
• 52:54
  But I think he could be one of the 10.
• 52:56
  I think he could have been, but didn't come back and thank him.
• 52:59
  I don't know.
• 53:00
  However, the fact is Simon the leper had a dinner in his home.
• 53:07
  It didn't say Simon the leper was a Samaritan, but it did say that Judas Iscariot, Simon's
• 53:12
  son was angry when Mary used that.
• 53:17
  And from that point, it said Satan entered his heart at that moment.
• 53:21
  This is when Judas realizes that everything that he signed up for is off.
• 53:26
  Something's wrong here.
• 53:27
  I thought I was going to be among the superpower, but instead, you really want to know when
• 53:36
  Judas got upset, when Jesus put on a towel and wiped the feet of his disciples, it was
• 53:42
  at that moment for him that he went and talked to the chief priests.
• 53:49
  That's the moment.
• 53:50
  It was debasing.
• 53:51
  If you think about it, didn't he get mad when the girl did it to Jesus?
• 53:57
  But it really wasn't about debasing herself.
• 53:59
  It was about that money.
• 54:00
  But when it came to Jesus, he suddenly realized, wait a minute, this guy's a joke.
• 54:05
  He's not going to be a Messiah.
• 54:08
  What is this guy?
• 54:09
  Do you see?
• 54:10
  I feel like all of these characters that feel like they're far apart are actually much closer
• 54:17
  than you realize.
• 54:18
  I think that this is a small circle of people, but because the books are 2000 years old,
• 54:24
  it's hard to know.
• 54:25
  It's hard to know just how close they were.
• 54:29
  We're going to wrap up this one right here.
• 54:32
  One thing that I really want to point out is that whenever in Luke chapter 10, now it
• 54:38
  came to pass as they went that he entered into a certain village and a certain woman
• 54:41
  named Martha received him into her house.
• 54:45
  That it wasn't Lazarus' house, so Lazarus didn't live there.
• 54:49
  She had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet and heard his word.
• 54:53
  But Martha was cumbered about much serving and came to him and said, Lord, does thou
• 54:57
  not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone?
• 55:00
  Bid her therefore that she help me.
• 55:02
  And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about
• 55:06
  many things, but one thing is needful, Mary hath chosen the good part, which shall not
• 55:11
  be taken away from her.
• 55:13
  Mary has chosen the good part.
• 55:15
  If you remember in the other gospels, whenever the woman that was wiping his feet, he says
• 55:20
  forever, wherever this gospel is preached, she will be memorialized for preparing me
• 55:28
  for my burial.
• 55:29
  But it's only in the book of John you find out that it's Mary, Lazarus' sister.
• 55:34
  That was that person.
• 55:36
  Did you know that?
• 55:37
  Well, you're taught they're all the same stories, just in different gospels.
• 55:43
  So you assume.
• 55:44
  Yeah, it's Mary for sure, because John says, you know, in the gospel of John, it is Mary.
• 55:51
  So I guess, you know, it's almost like you just read through them and you just, like
• 55:56
  if you've read most of the time, you know, when someone, when you first get saved, someone
• 56:01
  will say, start reading in the book of John.
• 56:04
  Yeah, that's the worst book to start on.
• 56:07
  Right.
• 56:08
  Which is not the book that I actually started in, but anyway.
• 56:10
  Mark should be your first, personally, I think.
• 56:12
  I got my, I still have my little orange folder from Sammy Lewis.
• 56:16
  Oh, do you really?
• 56:19
  But I think if you read John and you read that first, you just, they all kind of flood
• 56:27
  together.
• 56:28
  Once you just read, you just go from one to the next to the next and you just, you don't
• 56:32
  pay attention to specifics.
• 56:34
  Yeah.
• 56:35
  I always thought Mark would be the best one to start with because it says the beginning
• 56:38
  of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
• 56:40
  I think to me that's the first book, the beginning of the gospel.
• 56:43
  It's like, oh, that's the first one, not Matthew.
• 56:46
  Matthew wasn't first.
• 56:48
  Mark was.
• 56:49
  I think, I think it was Mark, then Matthew, then Luke, then John.
• 56:53
  I think that's how they came out in time.
• 56:55
  Just by the way that I read them, it's almost like Mark, Matthew, Luke, John.
• 57:00
  I could be wrong, but that's just how it feels when I read them.
• 57:03
  But I think that if, let's break this down really.
• 57:09
  We're going to wrap this up really quick, but this is how I sort of developed it and
• 57:13
  I'm going to say it really fast.
• 57:14
  I saw Lazarus as the rich young ruler.
• 57:17
  I saw him encountering Jesus and learning that in order to have eternal life, he had
• 57:21
  to give up all of his things.
• 57:23
  I also learned that Jesus said that it's almost impossible for a rich man to enter in.
• 57:26
  It's easier for a camel to go through than an eye of a needle.
• 57:29
  But whatever is impossible with man is possible with God.
• 57:33
  That's the lesson.
• 57:35
  So then you take that man and let's leave with him for a little bit because we're not
• 57:38
  following.
• 57:39
  You don't know what happens to him, but let's just go back home to Bethany.
• 57:42
  Let's just go back home to Mary and Martha, right?
• 57:44
  At this point, Martha's already met him and so has Mary.
• 57:48
  He went running after him to ask him a question.
• 57:52
  So Mary's sitting at his feet.
• 57:55
  Martha's serving him.
• 57:56
  What must I do to get eternal life?
• 57:58
  To me, it seems like that was an interesting question.
• 58:01
  Have you ever tried to introduce Jesus to someone in your family before?
• 58:04
  Look, it's frustrating.
• 58:06
  It's hard to get a person that you know to become a believer or to get into it.
• 58:12
  By the way, I stopped.
• 58:14
  I gave up that a long time ago.
• 58:15
  Now I'm just like, Lord, is this the guy today?
• 58:19
  Is this the one?
• 58:21
  Because I'll share it.
• 58:23
  If that's what you want me to do, is this the one?
• 58:25
  That would make sense for why he would call him master.
• 58:28
  Why else would someone you just randomly don't even know walk up to somebody who's obviously
• 58:33
  of no high class of any kind, nobody that's in any type of official role and ask that
• 58:42
  person, call a master and ask them how you're supposed to receive eternal life.
• 58:47
  That would be almost like just seeing some Joe Blow on the street and be like, hey, I
• 58:50
  got a question for you.
• 58:51
  So he's heard of him before.
• 58:53
  He's had to have.
• 58:54
  Of course, whether it was through other like Pharisees or other rulers or through his family,
• 58:58
  but he's heard there's something amazing about this man.
• 59:01
  Well, I think it would be safe to say that his sister, if she was in fact, Mary of Magdala
• 59:07
  or Magdalena, then she was healed of her seven demons and she came back and she was a different
• 59:13
  person.
• 59:14
  Well, look at the maniac of Godair.
• 59:16
  Yes.
• 59:17
  If you had a sister like that and all of a sudden she's dressed, clothed, speaking right,
• 59:26
  you have been in a personal relationship with this sister, no things that other people's
• 59:30
  not going to know and all of a sudden 360 and she's normal.
• 59:34
  Do you know who she's talking about, Andy?
• 59:36
  The maniac of Godair?
• 59:37
  No, I do not.
• 59:38
  Oh, what a beautiful story.
• 59:40
  What an amazing story.
• 59:42
  Jesus is out on, he just calms the storm in the middle of the Sea of Galilee and the next
• 59:48
  day and by the way, he's around with all these crowds and he's like, I have to go across
• 59:52
  the lake.
• 59:54
  Not that he was getting away.
• 59:55
  He said, I must go.
• 59:56
  I must go.
• 59:57
  Because he knew he was there.
• 59:58
  He did and he got over there and there was a man that was naked that was in the tombs.
• 1:00:03
  They tried to chain him up there because he was whack.
• 1:00:05
  He was crazy.
• 1:00:07
  This big, hairy, crazy, whacked out dude.
• 1:00:10
  Biggest, probably schizophrenic person you could ever.
• 1:00:15
  Like barking and biting and they tried to chain him up and they said they put these
• 1:00:19
  heavy fetters on him and he breaks free of them and he chewed on, bit himself and stuff.
• 1:00:26
  Crazy guy.
• 1:00:27
  Jesus comes up to him and he says to them, the man looks at him and he was like, go away
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  from me, you son of God.
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  And he was like, who are you?
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  What is your name?
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  So Jesus asked the guy, what's your name?
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  And he was like, my name is Legion.
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  That's where that comes from.
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  It doesn't, he doesn't, I think I thought they said something along the lines, what
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  do we have to do with thee or something like that?
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  What do we have to do with thee?
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  Have you come to put us into the abyss?
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  And he's like, what is your name?
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  My name is Legion because we are many.
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  And he was like, what are you going to do?
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  And he's like, then the guy's like, there's some swine over there.
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  Let us go into the swine.
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  And so Jesus cast the demons into the swine and then the swine go down into the lake and
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  drown themselves.
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  It's like, it's such a wild story.
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  Imagine living at home with a sibling with that type of mental disorder.
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  And all of a sudden she walks back in and she's normal and you say, what happened?
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  And she's like, he did.
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  He happened.
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  My neighbors literally have an adult son that's similarly afflicted.
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  You'll see him out there sometimes.
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  He doesn't pay anybody any attention, but it's mostly because he just doesn't seem to
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  notice you're there.
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  He's similarly afflicted though.
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  I've often wondered if some of these mental illnesses were demonic, but at the same time,
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  like I said before, I don't know.
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  Like I don't know.
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  It's kind of an odd thing.
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  It feels like this ancient story to me and it's like, yeah, I get it.
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  But if I believe it so much, then I have to believe that demons existed.
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  For me, that's one of the hard ones for me to believe.
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  I have a hard time with angels and demons for some reason.
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  But I'll share a story one day of the time that I actually entertained an angel unaware.
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  There's no other explanation.
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  I have no other explanation because of the timing and because of how soon he was not
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  there.
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  It was the craziest thing, but you'll have to wait until next time.
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  So here, let's wrap this up.
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  So you've got this rich young ruler.
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  He's starting to hear about, you know, there's Jesus guys who comes up and he talks to him
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  and then he ends up going back home and he's, what am I going to do or whatever.
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  Now let's fast forward a little bit and Jesus starts telling the story about the rich man
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  in Lazarus.
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  Was it a parable or was it a true story?
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  And I said it wasn't a parable.
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  I don't think it was a parable.
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  I think it was a true story, but I also think it was prophetic and it was interesting because
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  the rich man in Lazarus, Andy, I found something so cool, man.
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  This is the coolest thing.
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  Okay.
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  Whatever he answers, his idea of cool and my idea of cool is very different.
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  I was trying to be cool.
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  Like these birth control glasses that I'm wearing.
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  Oh boy.
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  Guaranteed to never get it.
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  So where was I?
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  What was so cool?
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  Oh, I don't know.
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  The rich man in Lazarus.
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  Yeah, the rich man in Lazarus.
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  So he says that whenever that Lazarus was laid at the gate of the rich man who fared
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  sumptuously every day, and then it says that he had sores on him and everything and that
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  he died.
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  And then also that the rich man died.
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  And so Lazarus was carried up to Abraham's bosom.
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  By the way, the disciple whom Jesus loved rested on Jesus' bosom.
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  And then also you get the rich man who was in hell and he lifts up his eyes and he looks
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  and he was like, please Abraham, tell Lazarus to go back because I have five brethren.
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  And then I started doing some research, man.
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  Caiaphas, the high priest at the time when Jesus was there, Caiaphas was the son-in-law
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  of the former high priest, Annas.
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  Annas had five sons and they would have been his brethren.
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  They were all priests.
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  And the coolest thing is the one right in the middle, you got two, then one, then two
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  right in the middle is Theophilus.
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  And I was like, what is that?
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  Why does that strike something?
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  In the book of Luke and in the book of Acts, Luke is writing to a man by the name of Theophilus.
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  He was writing to the chief priest.
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  They were real people.
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  I don't know if I can prove this or not.
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  I don't know if I can prove this or not, but I think it might actually be a parable.
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  It may not be a true story or prophetic.
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  It might actually be that Jesus knew who Caiaphas was and who the brethren were.
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  And he also knew the name of the man that he was going to raise from the dead because
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  the end of it, he says, if you don't believe Moses and the prophets, you won't even believe
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  the testimony of a man raised from the dead because they didn't.
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  And Caiaphas wanted to kill Lazarus.
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  Remember?
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  Yes.
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  Caiaphas wanted to kill him.
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  And Lazarus knew who he was.
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  In my opinion, Lazarus is the disciple whom Jesus loved.
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  But look at this.
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  So this rich man, okay, he ends up becoming destitute because he gets rid of everything.
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  Let's say that the rich young ruler decided to get rid of everything, right?
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  And then he does.
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  He gets rid of everything.
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  And then he gets sick.
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  And during this whole time, Jesus has heard about this guy.
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  Yeah.
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  Lazarus, he's not.
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  He got rid of all of his stuff.
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  He's going to follow you.
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  It said Jesus loved him.
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  He felt compassion, but he loved this man.
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  Something happened to this man when he left.
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  He obviously got rid of everything.
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  In my opinion, this is just opinion and it's all speculative.
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  But when I read a letter, I want to know who wrote it to me.
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  Yeah.
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  I do.
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  Let's say you get a letter from Andy.
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  Do you know Andy's wife's name?
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  No.
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  Okay.
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  Neither do I.
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  No, it's Kristin.
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  So if you got a letter from Kristin and she was describing all kinds of things and then
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  said, and then Andy was working in his studio all night, blah, blah, blah, you would be
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  able to put two and two together and be like, I think that might be his wife that wrote
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  me.
• 1:07:05
  I don't really know her, but at the end it said Kristin.
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  So I believe it's Kristin.
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  To me, the body of a letter, what you're reading in a letter, it's important to know who wrote
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  it.
• 1:07:15
  It doesn't have to be necessarily if you're learning something.
• 1:07:17
  If I read the Gettysburg address and didn't know it was from Lincoln, it's still interesting.
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  It's interesting.
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  That's what I'm saying.
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  I would still be like, oh, okay.
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  You know, four score.
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  Tell her just interested in it.
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  I don't know who it's from, so whatever.
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  It's like on Fish Call One, it was like, she is so stupid.
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  She thought the Gettysburg address is where Lincoln lived.
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  And then her daughter's name is Portia.
• 1:07:44
  Why did he name her after a car?
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  That's a good movie, Fish Call One.
• 1:07:51
  So Lazarus dies.
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  Jesus brings him back to life and he becomes a celebrity.
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  And then the chief priests want to kill him and everything.
• 1:08:01
  But I'm going to end it here.
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  If it's not Lazarus, to you, the listener, to you, Cherry Lewis, to you, Andy Bishop,
• 1:08:12
  Ralph Hicks, if you're listening, if you don't believe it's Lazarus, then you are just not
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  listening to me.
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  Actually, I would go as far as to say that if you've put forth all of your facts that
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  you have dug up and we choose to believe that it's not Lazarus, we can base that on our
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  own choice of truth being right in front of us, not being able to see it, or being like
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  others who have been taught and taught and taught and refusing to see it because it has
• 1:08:48
  to be this, because that's what it says.
• 1:08:50
  Sure, absolutely.
• 1:08:51
  And I can definitely do the same thing.
• 1:08:53
  I certainly could because I have driven myself mad with this over the last five years, not
• 1:08:57
  just this in particular, but with all the things that I've studied, it's easy to miss
• 1:09:02
  the forest for the trees.
• 1:09:03
  It really is.
• 1:09:05
  And I'm stretching with the rich young ruler.
• 1:09:06
  I just say, I'm really stretching.
• 1:09:08
  And I'm stretching with Mary Magdalene being the sister of Lazarus.
• 1:09:10
  And I'm stretching with Simon the Pharisee being Simon the leper and also being the father
• 1:09:14
  of Judas.
• 1:09:15
  Those are fun theories though.
• 1:09:18
  That's exactly right.
• 1:09:19
  I see this beautiful picture of God working with man and doing it in a fashion that it
• 1:09:30
  could be absolutely detrimental.
• 1:09:32
  They could die, or they do die.
• 1:09:35
  Well, you're not the only one that does that.
• 1:09:38
  Like I told you, that one conference I went to, she said, you have a woman who has an
• 1:09:48
  issue with blood for 12 years.
• 1:09:50
  There's a 12 year old daughter.
• 1:09:53
  And then she went into, of course, you have an issue of blood, you're unclean, can't be
• 1:09:59
  around anybody, you can't do this.
• 1:10:00
  Imagine being 12 years of that.
• 1:10:02
  At what point in time would your husband possibly, or you one, decide it's best for you to leave
• 1:10:07
  the home because it is then becoming an issue for everyone else involved.
• 1:10:13
  And she suggested that they happen to be at the same place seeking Jesus, her, for the
• 1:10:21
  healing of her issue of blood, him, because his daughter was sick.
• 1:10:25
  And really that was his wife who stopped him.
• 1:10:29
  And that's why he didn't lose it when she stopped him because it was his wife.
• 1:10:36
  And then he went on and healed the daughter.
• 1:10:38
  And it says that he took Jairus and his wife up, even though before she wasn't mentioned.
• 1:10:45
  I mean, that's a viable thought.
• 1:10:48
  I mean, I don't see anything wrong with that.
• 1:10:50
  I never studied it out.
• 1:10:53
  I wouldn't much rather somebody like that talk to me than somebody like Kenneth and
• 1:10:58
  Gloria Copeland and saying, we're going to get $300 million in this ministry this year.
• 1:11:04
  I'll be playing that in next week's episode where during COVID, he said, God told him
• 1:11:10
  that he's going to make $300 million with this ministry.
• 1:11:14
  Garbage.
• 1:11:15
  I'm so tired of these prosperity preachers.
• 1:11:17
  It drives me crazy.
• 1:11:19
  So anyway, we'll join that.
• 1:11:22
  We'll do that next time.
• 1:11:23
  Thanks for-
• 1:11:24
  I look forward to that one.
• 1:11:25
  Yeah, I'll play that.
• 1:11:26
  I like playing those where they fall from grace.
• 1:11:28
  Kenneth Copeland hasn't fallen from grace yet, but one can just, oh, I can taste it.
• 1:11:32
  I want to see him collapse.
• 1:11:34
  I can't stand it.
• 1:11:35
  Him and Joel Osteen both.
• 1:11:38
  I can't stand it.
• 1:11:39
  Sherry did a point and wink at Rick when he mentioned Joel Osteen.
• 1:11:47
  Yeah.
• 1:11:48
  Joel Osteen.
• 1:11:49
  Well, anyway, thanks Sherry for being here.
• 1:11:52
  Andy, as always.
• 1:11:53
  Thank you.
• 1:11:54
  I really appreciate it.
• 1:11:55
  Guys, join us next week.
• 1:11:57
  We'll have Billy and Ralph and Sherry and Andy back for finally touching on the resurrection.
• 1:12:02
  So thanks for listening to the Burrows of Berea.
• 1:12:04
  We'll talk to you guys next time.
• 1:12:10
  The idiom, what I was talking about earlier about the three days and three nights, I had
• 1:12:15
  said it in the last podcast that if it was an exact 72 hour, then if Jesus was buried
• 1:12:23
  at 3 PM on a Friday or died at 3 PM on a Friday and then was buried, say, prior to 6 PM, that
• 1:12:30
  best it was 36 hours in the grave, that was half the time that he said it would be because
• 1:12:35
  he uses the three days and three nights saying.
• 1:12:39
  It makes you think, okay, it has to be that long.
• 1:12:41
  So it wasn't three days and three nights.
• 1:12:42
  So was he not telling the truth or whatever?
• 1:12:44
  But no, I discovered something that three days and three nights is used in the Old Testament.
• 1:12:48
  You can find it.
• 1:12:49
  It's in scripture and it's an idiom.
• 1:12:51
  It's like saying better late than never or bite the bullet.
• 1:12:54
  So would that be the same truth for Jonah?
• 1:12:58
  I don't know.
• 1:12:59
  I mean, he said that he was three days and three nights so possibly.
• 1:13:02
  Maybe Jonah was in the belly of the big fish for.
• 1:13:05
  I'm sure it felt like forever.
• 1:13:06
  36 hours.
• 1:13:07
  I also believe that Jonah died in the whale and most people don't believe that.
• 1:13:11
  I believe that Jonah actually died because of the language that he uses.
• 1:13:16
  And then when he was spit up onto the beach, he was resurrected.
• 1:13:20
  To me, that's the sign.
• 1:13:21
  The sign, it wasn't just the resurrection.
• 1:13:26
  He said an evil and a wicked adulterous generation sought after a sign.
• 1:13:32
  Whatever the sign really of Jonah is that he went and he preached to Nineveh and they
• 1:13:37
  repented.
• 1:13:38
  That's the sign.
• 1:13:40
  The group that was with Jesus, they had no intention of repenting.
• 1:13:44
  They were going to murder him.
• 1:13:45
  That was the end of that.