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The Kenny Report | 12 May · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me for another week on the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Leadership Shenanigan's across the political spectrum Tonight who's in and
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  Speaker 2: who's out in the labor Cabinet. Joel Fitzgibven will give
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  Speaker 2: us his take on that. What's happening with the Nationals
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  Speaker 2: and the Liberal leaderships too. Nationals leader David Little Proud
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  Speaker 2: will join us, as will Liberal Senator Dave Sharman. I'll
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  Speaker 2: have a special treat for you tonight with Johannes Leek
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  Speaker 2: and his portrait of Jewish leader Alex Rivchin. Both men
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  Speaker 2: will join me here at the desk to talk art, politics,
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  Speaker 2: anti Semitism, and friendship. All that plus plenty more with
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  Speaker 2: Gematon Uni and Carolinda. Also, let's get cracking. I don't
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  Speaker 2: need to tell you that with the election done and dust,
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  Speaker 2: this country still faces monumental problems. The election hasn't fixed
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  Speaker 2: a thing. There's still a cost of living crisis. We're
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  Speaker 2: heading for a trillion dollars of debt within a few months,
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  Speaker 2: budget deficits for decades to come. Electricity prices that keep
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  Speaker 2: going up even as we run short of power, a
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  Speaker 2: defense personnel and equipment crisis at a time of strategic threats.
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  Speaker 3: I could go on, but you get the picture.
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  Speaker 2: So, having trespassed against our good nature with a drawn
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  Speaker 2: out and uninspiring election campaign, our politicians are now treating
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  Speaker 2: us to the leadership side shows as they haggle over
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  Speaker 2: the meager spoils of victory and the sad consolations of defeat.
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  Speaker 3: Let's start with Labor. This is the Union's party.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, all Labor MPs need to be union members,
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  Speaker 2: and all but the rarest of them sign up to
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  Speaker 2: a faction as well. They rise by the favor of
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  Speaker 2: factional number crunches, but then it doesn't stop them winging
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  Speaker 2: when those same forces demote them.
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  Speaker 4: The difficult issue here is that we've had sort of
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  Speaker 4: baar faced ambition and a deputy Prime minister wheeled a
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  Speaker 4: factional club to reshape the ministry. I think when people
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  Speaker 4: look at a deputy Prime minister they expect to see
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  Speaker 4: a statesman, not a factional assassin.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Eda Hughesick there yesterday, the former Industry Minister.
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  Speaker 2: Nice enough bloke, but wasn't setting the world on fire?
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  Speaker 2: Dropped from cabinet post election. He didn't just lash out
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  Speaker 2: at the party, at the factions and the Deputy Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister Richard Miles. He also had a crack at the
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister as well.
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  Speaker 4: The PM had great authority coming out of the election.
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  Speaker 4: I think if you'd exercise it in a way that
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  Speaker 4: provided for stability and a strong team that had been
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  Speaker 4: there and could go forward, no one would have quibbled
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  Speaker 4: about that.
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  Speaker 2: Look, we understand the personal disappointment, but it's a pretty
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  Speaker 2: simple equation.
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  Speaker 3: This is the Labor way.
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  Speaker 1: This is how Labour's factional politics works.
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  Speaker 3: It's what these people.
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  Speaker 1: Sign up to.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's pretty appalling myself, but I wouldn't sign
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  Speaker 2: up for it.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just a little.
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  Speaker 2: Bit hypocritical, not to mention pathetic when you see the
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  Speaker 2: same people who have climbed this greasy pole complaining about
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  Speaker 2: the system when they slide back down.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if they think.
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  Speaker 2: Politics should be about merit and personal choice instead of
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  Speaker 2: compulsory unionism and factional power plays, there are other political
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  Speaker 2: parties you could join. So, along with former Attorney General
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  Speaker 2: Mark Dreyfus, Husick is out now and apart from winging
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  Speaker 2: about the very system, he's backed for decades. Husick's dummy
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  Speaker 2: spit has, of course highlighted to the rest of the nation,
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  Speaker 2: acted as a timely reminder if you like that this
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  Speaker 2: is how labor works. The Prime Minister, in the end
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  Speaker 2: exercises power only to the extent that the union bosses
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  Speaker 2: and the factional chiefs allow him.
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  Speaker 5: The process occurred in the normal way of the caucus,
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  Speaker 5: the way that we select the ministry, and I had
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  Speaker 5: a constructive discussion with ED this morning. I always have
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  Speaker 5: constructive discussions with caucus members and endued with other members
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  Speaker 5: of the Parliament. What I've done is to allocate portfolios.
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  Speaker 5: That's a system that's there. It's one that ED and
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  Speaker 5: others have supported for a long period of time.
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  Speaker 2: Now, the rest of the cabinet reshuffle announced today is
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  Speaker 2: not a major reset. There are only a few noteworthy points.
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  Speaker 2: First up, incredibly, Chris Bowen stays in climate and energy,
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  Speaker 2: so you can expect that particular disaster to continue.
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  Speaker 1: What a slap in the face to the nation. Tanya
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  Speaker 1: Plibus section.
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  Speaker 2: Well, she's been shifted from the environment to social services,
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  Speaker 2: which is a bit like being shifted from a beach
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  Speaker 2: resort to the factory floor. So I doubt she'll be
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  Speaker 2: very happy, and in a significant promotion, the former Communications
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  Speaker 2: Minister Michelle Roland takes the Attorney General's role.
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  Speaker 3: So this is not much of a shakeup.
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  Speaker 2: There is no sign in this reshuffle that Labour understands
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  Speaker 2: it needs to do better. And while no one can
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  Speaker 2: deny them a huge majority in a thumping electoral victory,
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  Speaker 2: they shouldn't misinterpret that as some sign that they're actually governing.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
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  Speaker 2: The challengers remain and the solutions are not on the table,
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  Speaker 2: so there is no sign today that this government is
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  Speaker 2: going to improve. As for the election losers, well, the
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  Speaker 2: Liberal and National parties have been squabbling over the entrails
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  Speaker 2: of their devastating election loss. National's leader David Little Proud,
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  Speaker 2: who will join me in a moment, was challenged for
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  Speaker 2: his leadership today. His challenger was Senator Matt Canavan, likely
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  Speaker 2: chance coming from the Senate, but I reckon a bloke
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  Speaker 2: motivated surely by policy direction rather than personal ambition.
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  Speaker 3: Canavan's long argue to consistent.
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  Speaker 2: And logical case against targeting Net zero, and he wanted
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  Speaker 2: to give his party a chance to vote against that agenda.
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  Speaker 2: Good on him, but the leader saw him off a
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  Speaker 2: little proud emerging renewed as leader, with a new Deputy
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  Speaker 2: Kevin Hogan and Bridget Mackenzie remaining NAT's leader in the Senate.
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  Speaker 2: But on climate and energy, he said policy positions were
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  Speaker 2: all still up for review.
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  Speaker 6: Well again, we'll work through the whole process, but the
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  Speaker 6: fundamentals haven't changed. You cannot run an economy of the
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  Speaker 6: industrial scale the size of Australia on an ornewables approach.
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  Speaker 6: Just look at Spain and Portugal. The reality is is
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  Speaker 6: even Anthony Albanezi is saying your energy bill is going
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  Speaker 6: to go up, not down.
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  Speaker 2: The Liberals meet tomorrow to choose their new leadership team.
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  Speaker 2: Former Shadow measurer Angus Taylor is up against former Deputy
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  Speaker 2: Leader Susan Lee, and depending on how that goes, we'll
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  Speaker 2: see former National Senator just sent a Nambajibba Prize up
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  Speaker 2: for the deputy Liberal leadership in her first meeting as
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  Speaker 2: part of the Liberal party room.
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  Speaker 3: Mind you, there has been talk of.
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  Speaker 2: Dirt files and treachery in this leadership contest, so it'll
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  Speaker 2: test the party setting up a classic conservative versus moderate contest.
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  Speaker 2: Angus Taylor the conservative, Susan Lee the moderate. So with
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  Speaker 2: the junior coalition partners leadership settled, they have to wait
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  Speaker 2: and see. Now that that's they have to wait and
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  Speaker 2: see who they'll be working with from the Liberals.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not going to get caught up in who the
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  Speaker 6: Liberal Party elector. I mean, if someone gave the National
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  Speaker 6: Party gratruous advice about who should be the leader, that
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  Speaker 6: he is quickly.
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  Speaker 7: Told to take a running jump.
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  Speaker 6: So the reality is is, whoever becomes the leader of
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  Speaker 6: Liberal Party, we'll have constructive discussions, will enter that in
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  Speaker 6: a mature and constructive way.
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  Speaker 2: He'll have to do that even if the Liberal's deputy
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  Speaker 2: leader is naberjimber Price, the National's defector. So if you're
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  Speaker 2: looking for the smartest person in the party room at
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  Speaker 2: the moment, I'd suggest Andrew Hasty, who is sitting this
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  Speaker 2: leadership contest out and leaving his ambitions for another time. Because,
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  Speaker 2: let's be frank, whoever wins the Liberal leadership tomorrow is
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  Speaker 2: highly unlikely to lead them to the Promised Land. Away
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  Speaker 2: from politics, life goes on. It's pretty good in some places.
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  Speaker 2: The Crow's won the showdown, for instance, And in fact,
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  Speaker 2: the circle of life carries on around this great continent
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  Speaker 2: and in the heart of the nation. Lake Air is filling,
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  Speaker 2: with the floodwaters flowing in from thousands of kilometers away
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  Speaker 2: across western Queensland. It is a spectacular and generational site.
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  Speaker 2: Even the Pelicans have begun arriving in the outback, as
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  Speaker 2: have plenty of sightseers and tourists. Most of South Australia,
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  Speaker 2: all the agricultural parts at the moment are in the
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  Speaker 2: grip of drought, but for now the normally parched saltpans
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  Speaker 2: of the Lake Air basin are filling, and it truly
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  Speaker 2: is a beautiful thing. Yes, just a reminder of how
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  Speaker 2: our politics and our arguments are pretty fleeting. The natural
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  Speaker 2: cycles of this vast, an ancient continent continue unabated by
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  Speaker 2: the time lake Air fills, then dries out, and then
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  Speaker 2: fills again. While the current crop of political leaders they
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  Speaker 2: might be long forgotten with that sobering, thoughtless across the
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  Speaker 2: nation's capital and catch up with the Nationals leader newly
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  Speaker 2: reaffirmed David little Proud. You want to stick around and
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  Speaker 2: lead your party to the Promised Land. But it's amazing
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  Speaker 2: seeing the desert.
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  Speaker 1: Come to life with those waters from your home state.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't it.
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  Speaker 6: It is mat and I was privileged enough to fly
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  Speaker 6: over it during the campaign and can I just say
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  Speaker 6: it left some devastation across western Queensland and the best
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  Speaker 6: thing you can do to help us is to go
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  Speaker 6: out and to visit places like Fargaminda, Quilpie, right out
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  Speaker 6: to Bursil and get on a plane when you get
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  Speaker 6: out there and fly around it.
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  Speaker 7: We need a few dollars out there at the moment,
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  Speaker 7: so you.
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  Speaker 6: Don't need a caravan. You can drive out there. There's
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  Speaker 6: great motels and you can do it in a sedan.
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  Speaker 6: But yeah, it is a wonder to see and I'd
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  Speaker 6: encourage everybody to go and do it. But it's given
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  Speaker 6: us a big drink across western Queensland. But it's left
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  Speaker 6: some devastation.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly in its path.
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  Speaker 2: Now I get onto the devastation of the election result.
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  Speaker 2: It was okay for the that's of course.
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  Speaker 1: You held all your seats.
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  Speaker 2: A challenge against you today by Matt Canavan. Was he
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  Speaker 2: the only challenger and how many votes did he get?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, look, Matt was And I think it's a healthy
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  Speaker 6: thing and it's a good thing. We should all be challenged.
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  Speaker 6: It's healthy for our democracy. In our party room, we
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  Speaker 6: have a culture in the Nationals where we spill all
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  Speaker 6: the positions, win, lose or draw, and I think that's
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  Speaker 6: a good thing to make sure that we're better for
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  Speaker 6: the next time. We don't know the result what happens
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  Speaker 6: in the Nationals because there's only twenty of us.
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  Speaker 7: The numbers are never known.
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  Speaker 6: Apart from the scrutinis, so that everyone's protected in terms
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  Speaker 6: of being able to go in there and vote with confidence.
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  Speaker 6: And that's I think a healthy thing as well. But
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  Speaker 6: you know, I think it was a great contest to
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  Speaker 6: be able to have and now it's time for us
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  Speaker 6: to come together and we'll obviously see what happens tomorrow
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  Speaker 6: and then work through a process about what that looks
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  Speaker 6: like and engaging with the Liberals.
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  Speaker 2: Bridget mackenzie has been Deputy leader before, she's been a
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  Speaker 2: Senate leader before as well. She's recaffirmed now as Senate leader.
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  Speaker 2: Did she put her hand up for the deputy's job.
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  Speaker 6: No, Bridget was elected before the meeting as the Senate leader.
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  Speaker 6: Re elected as the Senate leader, and she did an
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  Speaker 6: amazing job for the last three years. And I've got
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  Speaker 6: to say during the campaign she was the one that
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  Speaker 6: with much courage came out when many others wouldn't know.
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  Speaker 6: I got a lot of respect for Bridget and how
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  Speaker 6: she conducted herself during the campaign. And Kevin Hogan, who
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  Speaker 6: was the shadow Trade Minister, has put his hand up
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  Speaker 6: and he's been a long stalward of our party room,
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  Speaker 6: which will bring some more common sense to the leadership.
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  Speaker 6: And obviously looking forward to working with the two of
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  Speaker 6: them now.
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  Speaker 2: Matt Canavan was focused on net zero. He doesn't like
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  Speaker 2: the net zero target for twenty fifty. This was a
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  Speaker 2: position that the whole of the Nats held.
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  Speaker 1: For a long while.
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  Speaker 2: You were one over to supporting net zero under Barnaby
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  Speaker 2: Joyce with all sorts of giveaways from your recoalition partners
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  Speaker 2: the Liberals.
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  Speaker 3: Is that up for negotiation now?
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  Speaker 2: Could the Nationals go back to their position of opposing
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  Speaker 2: net zero by twenty fifty?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's up to the party room. The leader doesn't
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  Speaker 6: make the determination in our party room. We were on
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  Speaker 6: the collective of the wisdom of the entire party room.
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  Speaker 7: We'll have that conversation and.
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  Speaker 6: All our policies are up for review and we'll do
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  Speaker 6: that methodically, drawing on that experience, making sure that we
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  Speaker 6: get to a position.
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  Speaker 7: While I appreciate that not everyone may agree.
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  Speaker 6: My job then as leader is to articulate and to
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  Speaker 6: prosecute whatever case we get to. But it'll be the
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  Speaker 6: room that will determine that, not me, and nor should
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  Speaker 6: it be. And then we'll obviously have those conversations with
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  Speaker 6: whoever becomes the leader of the liber book.
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  Speaker 2: If I could just jump in, if I could just
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  Speaker 2: jump in, surely that topic was part of your leadership
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  Speaker 2: debate today. Surely you've got a sense from today's discussion
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  Speaker 2: as to whether the majority of your party room wants
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  Speaker 2: to stick with zero or not.
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  Speaker 7: No, that wasn't It was about the leadership. It wasn't
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  Speaker 7: a ballot on policy. It was a ballot on leadership.
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  Speaker 6: And what we've always done in the nationals is had
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  Speaker 6: a very collegiate response to our party room in bringing
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  Speaker 6: up the policy issues where people where there is friction
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  Speaker 6: and being able to truly work through them.
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  Speaker 7: And that's what we'll do now.
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  Speaker 6: We're not going to have to rush into this, but
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  Speaker 6: we will draw on the collective and there'll be different views.
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  Speaker 7: And when Barnaby got to that.
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  Speaker 6: Position some years ago, he did it in a very
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  Speaker 6: respectful way of making sure the room was heard and
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  Speaker 6: not everybody agreed, but we got to a position and
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  Speaker 6: then when he was leader, he had the job.
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  Speaker 7: To prosecute that. And that's how we work.
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  Speaker 6: It's not the leader who determines policy in the Nationals,
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  Speaker 6: it's collectively done.
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  Speaker 2: Now you mentioned that Senator just said to Nambajember Price
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  Speaker 2: is defected from the Nats to the Libs to pursue
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  Speaker 2: her political ambitions. Well, the only job that you can't
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  Speaker 2: get to from the Nationals party room is the prime ministership.
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  Speaker 2: You get right up to being deputy Prime minister.
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  Speaker 3: As you well know.
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  Speaker 2: Do you believe that just said the naberjeber prices setting
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  Speaker 2: as sites that high and therefore you think she's going to.
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  Speaker 1: Try and switch to the Lower House as well? Is
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  Speaker 1: she getting ahead of herself.
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  Speaker 7: Well, look that's a question for justinid answer.
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  Speaker 6: But she secuted the No case during the No referendum,
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  Speaker 6: the Voice referendum, and if you in this game and
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  Speaker 6: you have that ambition, then you've got to create that
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  Speaker 6: pathway and you've got to have the courage to take
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  Speaker 6: that pathway.
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  Speaker 7: Now we're disappointed.
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  Speaker 6: We did everything we could in terms of not only
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  Speaker 6: supporting her during the Voice referendum. I was able to
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  Speaker 6: secure an extra shadow cabinet position for us, so the
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  Speaker 6: support the Nationals gave was genuine and it is still genuine.
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  Speaker 6: We need a strong Liberal Party as well, because we
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  Speaker 6: can't get into government unless they're strong, and they can't
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  Speaker 6: get to government without us being strong. So I just
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  Speaker 6: hope that whatever contribution just Sinda can make in the
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  Speaker 6: Liberal Party is a constructive one that progresses their cause.
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  Speaker 7: And if that means she goes all the.
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  Speaker 6: Way to the top, well then I'm in full support.
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  Speaker 7: But obviously we're deeply.
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  Speaker 6: Disappointed and we'll work through that with the COLP in
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  Speaker 6: the Northern Territory in a process. We don't want to
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  Speaker 6: be childish about it, but we'll work through and make
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  Speaker 6: sure that we can be mature in our way and
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  Speaker 6: moving forward and making sure there is equity between the
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  Speaker 6: two parties.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us again, David, and congratulations again on
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  Speaker 2: being reconfirmed as National's leader. That's David Little Proud they're
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  Speaker 2: joining us live from Camber. Let's get the liberal side
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  Speaker 2: of this equation. Now catch up with Liberal Senator for
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  Speaker 2: New South.
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  Speaker 1: Wales Dave Shama. Good to talk to you, Dave.
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  Speaker 2: A bit of stability when it comes to your coalition
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  Speaker 2: partners there. But you're looking at a pretty strong contest
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  Speaker 2: tomorrow between Angus Taylor and Susan Lee. No one really
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  Speaker 2: keen to call it at this stage, suggesting the numbers
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  Speaker 2: might be fairly evenly divided, essentially the old Conservative versus
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  Speaker 2: Moderate contest in your party.
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  Speaker 8: Look, I think is a close contest, and I think
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  Speaker 8: both candidates have strong claims and credentials. I don't think
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  Speaker 8: it's a straight sort of factional vote though, I mean,
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  Speaker 8: I'm sure there's elements of that. I'm not going to
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  Speaker 8: pretend there aren't. But I think, look, people recognize the
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  Speaker 8: size and the significance of the loss we suffered last Saturday,
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  Speaker 8: and they want to see whoever it is, whichever factional
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  Speaker 8: ideological persuasion, have a plan and have the courage and
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  Speaker 8: the resolve to see that through to help repair our
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  Speaker 8: political fortunes and broaden O repeal so we can be
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  Speaker 8: not only a good opposition but a party of government
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  Speaker 8: as well.
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  Speaker 2: Look, Peter Dutton managed to keep the party unified through
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  Speaker 2: three years, which was off and overlooked as a pretty
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  Speaker 2: difficult thing to do, and that's the most important thing.
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  Speaker 1: Also, you're going to come out of tomorrow, do you
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  Speaker 1: fear you could come out as a party divided? Look?
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  Speaker 8: I do worry about that. I mean, you know, honestly, Look,
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  Speaker 8: Peter doesn't. During his time as leader didn't have any
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  Speaker 8: rivals of any significance, so he had a high level
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  Speaker 8: of authority. And it was the same really when Scott
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  Speaker 8: Morrison took us to the twenty nineteen election. Now, obviously
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  Speaker 8: this is a contested leadership ballot, and we haven't had
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  Speaker 8: one of these in the Liberal Party for some time,
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  Speaker 8: and certainly not in opposition. You'd have to go back
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  Speaker 8: almost a decade.
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  Speaker 7: I think.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: So.
• 18:09
  Speaker 8: Look, I do worry about that, but I hope we're
• 18:11
  Speaker 8: all mature and you know, I guess team player, enough
• 18:17
  Speaker 8: of team players to recognize that whoever becomes a leader
• 18:20
  Speaker 8: will need to have broad based support and everyone pulling
• 18:23
  Speaker 8: in the same direction if they're to have any chance
• 18:25
  Speaker 8: of success. And ultimately that's in you know, that's our
• 18:27
  Speaker 8: most important interests as liberals is the success of us
• 18:31
  Speaker 8: as a credible opposition and an alternative government.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how does the ballot work? Does the leadership ballot
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: happen first?
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: And therefore, if that happens if Angus Taylor were to win,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: do you expect that maybe Susan Lee would go up
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: against just into now the Jimber Price for the deputy's job.
• 18:48
  Speaker 8: Look, so I haven't been through one of those before,
• 18:49
  Speaker 8: so I can't speak with any authority, Chris, But yeah,
• 18:52
  Speaker 8: my understanding is that the ballots are separate. If you
• 18:55
  Speaker 8: like said, there's a ballot for the leadership position and
• 18:58
  Speaker 8: a ballot for the deputy leadership position, and you only
• 19:00
  Speaker 8: need to nominate in the room, So there's no you know,
• 19:03
  Speaker 8: people could decide spontaneously tomorrow to put the hand up
• 19:05
  Speaker 8: for either position, and they'd be perfectly entitled to do so.
• 19:09
  Speaker 8: You know, I think, yeah, there's some obvious pathways here,
• 19:12
  Speaker 8: but there's also a couple of permutations that could come
• 19:15
  Speaker 8: about that none of us have the seeing just yet.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Now, if your coalorship partners, the Nationals went back to
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: their position of opposing the net zero by twenty fifty targets,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: what would that do to the Liberal Could the two
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: parties actually have divergent positions on this key target?
• 19:35
  Speaker 8: Look, I think, without wanting to take refuge in know
• 19:38
  Speaker 8: that's a hypothetical. Obviously, these are the things we would
• 19:42
  Speaker 8: need to work through. I mean, you know, the Nationals
• 19:44
  Speaker 8: have just selected their leadership team, but you know they
• 19:48
  Speaker 8: are going to be reviewing their policies. We need to
• 19:50
  Speaker 8: select our leadership team. We will need to be reviewing
• 19:52
  Speaker 8: our policies. The two leaders will need to sit down
• 19:55
  Speaker 8: and look at the coalition agreement again and figure out
• 19:57
  Speaker 8: how we work together. But it's look, it's perfectly appropriate
• 20:01
  Speaker 8: for both of our parties to review their policy agenda,
• 20:05
  Speaker 8: have a pretty robust internal conversation and discussion about all
• 20:10
  Speaker 8: of the suites of policies bed energy, the at tax,
• 20:13
  Speaker 8: you know, Beard, immigration, All these issues need to be
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: put on the table in canvas, and I think it'll
• 20:18
  Speaker 8: take some time, to be honest with you, before we
• 20:21
  Speaker 8: develop and put forward new policy positions on all of
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: these issues.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Does it ever strike you as strange that the right
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: of center parties in this country continue to tear themselves
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: apart over a net zero by twenty fifty target that
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: labor will not meet, and that no party in this
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: country could possibly plan to meet on existing technology, and
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: certainly not without a nuclear industry.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just fascical, isn't it.
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: Well, look, I think Certainly, it's true around the world
• 20:53
  Speaker 8: that the technology to decarbonize key emissions industries, whether it's
• 20:59
  Speaker 8: up cement production, aviation, or you know, gas extraction or
• 21:04
  Speaker 8: manufacturing that uses gas, for instance, the technology is not
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: there at the moment. And you know that said though,
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: you know, I appreciate that there's a symbolism attached to
• 21:14
  Speaker 8: the net zero commitment, that it reflects the sort of
• 21:17
  Speaker 8: best endeavors aspiration, and I'm not oblivious to the importance
• 21:22
  Speaker 8: of symbolism in politics.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well answered, You've got a little covered there, But yeah,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: it just seems madness. You could be full throated on
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: trying to reduce emissions and modernize your economy and do
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: all that and still ignore that that artificial twenty to
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: fifty target that everybody is so obsessed with.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Dave, I appreciated.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Good luck tomorrow, Dave Sharma, who'll be in the thick
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: of it there in the party room tomorrow.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: For the first time, there was a time, wasn't that.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Long ago when someone who's been around politics as long
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: as Dave Sharma, you know, just four or five years,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: would have been through a bundle of those leadership contests.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: But he's got his he's first one to sit through
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: and vote him tomorrow.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Now we're going to take a break, and up next
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: I've got a really special treat for you.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Johannahs.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Leek is going to join me and we'll talk about
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: his portrait of the Jewish leader Alex Rivchin who.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Will join me as well.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about art, politics, anti Semitism and makeship.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Welcome back.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Don't forget Joel it's given and a cracking panel coming
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: up later in the program. But a special treat for
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: you now as I'm joined on the desk by cartoonist
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: extraordinary Johannah Sleek. Great to see you, johannahs and Alex Rivchin,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: who's the CEO of the Executive Council of Australian Jury.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Great to see you again, Alex.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: I talked to both of you guys all the time.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: I don't get to see you together and on the desk.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: And the reason is, as you may have read in
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: a wonderful piece.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago by Claire.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Harvey in The Australian, is that Johann Sleek painted this
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: magnificent portrait of Alex and entered it in the Archibald
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Prize competition at the New South Wales Art Gallery. Ya
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Hannahs tell us first, why you chose Alex for this portrait?
• 23:04
  Speaker 9: Well, I think probably, like a lot of people, Alex
• 23:08
  Speaker 9: came to my attention through his appearances in print and
• 23:13
  Speaker 9: on the TV in the wake of the October seven
• 23:17
  Speaker 9: atrocities as such a powerful passionate and an impressive advocate
• 23:23
  Speaker 9: for his community and for Jews in general in Israel
• 23:26
  Speaker 9: and in Australia. And I just thought, this man has courage,
• 23:30
  Speaker 9: He's just terrific. And so I thought, what a wonderful
• 23:35
  Speaker 9: subject he'd made, and what a face too.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: And of course the topic could.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Hardly be any more relevant than those sorts of issues
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: and anti Semitism in this country.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Alex, so you would have got the call for this sitting.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: What did you think? Did you hesitate at all about
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: sitting for a portrait?
• 23:53
  Speaker 10: There was no hesitation at all. I mean when I
• 23:55
  Speaker 10: got the email from Johannas, I was so flattered, so humbled.
• 23:59
  Speaker 10: This is someone who I've admired for a long time.
• 24:02
  Speaker 10: I admired his father's works immensely, and to be asked
• 24:05
  Speaker 10: to sit by anyone that learned someone of this standard
• 24:08
  Speaker 10: was something I'll always chose for the rest of my life.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a little video here that the Australian shot
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: of when Johannes unveiled the painting for the first time
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: to Alex.
• 24:17
  Speaker 11: Have a look, all right, Alex, tell me what you think.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: See what you think? Oh my god, Wow.
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: Do you recognize yourself? Wow, it's amazing.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so amazing, wonderful stuff.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: It's a striking painting.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: But the punchline in this story, as you may know,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: is that this painting did not even make the finalist
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: list of the Archibald Prize. Now, Jo Hannahs, even with
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: someone I know you've been rejected before with your wonderful
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: portrait of just Into Nabajimba Price, and your father had
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: a storied history of magnificent portraits being rejected by the Archiboard.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: You must have been shocked that this one was turned down.
• 25:15
  Speaker 9: Look, I wish I could say I was shocked, you know,
• 25:17
  Speaker 9: But the Archiboard, I suppose, as an institution, it has
• 25:24
  Speaker 9: been largely you know, I think it's an open secret
• 25:27
  Speaker 9: it's been captured by the progressive left. And so I
• 25:31
  Speaker 9: did go into it knowing that painting Alex as a
• 25:34
  Speaker 9: prominent Jewish Australian might be might not necessarily, you know,
• 25:40
  Speaker 9: fall in line with their particular agenda.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: So look, I thought.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: That that being said.
• 25:47
  Speaker 9: It's still an important portrait prize, it's still an Australian institution,
• 25:51
  Speaker 9: and I thought, let's let's give.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: It a go.
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: But yes, I wish I could say I was.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: I was shocked.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: It's shocking, and I think when you think of the
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Archiboards and the portraits that there Alex, it would have
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: been so fitting to have that there as testament to
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: what Jewish Australians are going through at the moment. Do
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: you think, perhaps, apart from anything else, the gallery might
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: have been worried? Did that attract criticism from pro Palestinian
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: protesters and the like?
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Is that that sort of witness.
• 26:19
  Speaker 10: Look, we've seen this throughout the arts and the culture
• 26:22
  Speaker 10: industry and through all spheres of society. There is this
• 26:26
  Speaker 10: pervasive kind of group think. There's an approved set of
• 26:28
  Speaker 10: views and ideology that's acceptable and one that's not acceptable.
• 26:33
  Speaker 10: And jo Hanna's being from the Australian newspaper, me being
• 26:36
  Speaker 10: a proud, strong Jewish leader, these don't fit within the
• 26:40
  Speaker 10: kind of culture of these institutions. And I wish I
• 26:43
  Speaker 10: could say that these things and tied on a merit,
• 26:45
  Speaker 10: whether it's the pure Surprise or literary festivals and awards
• 26:49
  Speaker 10: the Archibald. But I think we'd be kidding ourselves if
• 26:52
  Speaker 10: we thought that politics and ideology didn't enter into it.
• 26:55
  Speaker 10: I think it clearly does. But again, for me personally,
• 26:58
  Speaker 10: regardless of the outcome, it's huge honor. But I feel
• 27:01
  Speaker 10: for your Hannas because this man is a master and
• 27:04
  Speaker 10: I saw the impact that his work had on the
• 27:06
  Speaker 10: people in the room at that unveiling. We were mesmerized
• 27:09
  Speaker 10: by We kept coming back to it and studying it
• 27:11
  Speaker 10: and identifying new details and depth and analyzing it. And
• 27:15
  Speaker 10: people are stopping me in the street and praising the work.
• 27:17
  Speaker 10: So you know, I want your Hannah to get the
• 27:20
  Speaker 10: recognition he deserves. But fortunately, through the peace in the
• 27:23
  Speaker 10: Australia and us speaking here tonight, hopefully that people see
• 27:26
  Speaker 10: the wonder of this work and the mastery of this man.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, look, it is extraordinary.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: We know that art is totally subjective, we all get that,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: but I mean I think most of us looking at
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: this portrait, I can see a work of art that's
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: worthy of display, worthy of consideration, and that most Australians
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: would like to see hanging and they can form their own.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Judgments on it. It seems extraordinary.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Just in the interest of fairness, I've better show you.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: The portrait that won.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: This was by Julie Frager.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: It was her portrait of her friend Justine Williams. There
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: you go, that's the winning portrait as opposed to the
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: one that you had us painted and was rejected and
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: didn't even get a hanging. It's extraordinary stuff. People can
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: make up their own minds about that, you haannas. But
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: tell me about the friendship you've struck up in the
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: common interest here with Alex because.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: It's driven by.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Sympathy or at least empathy or a similar political output
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: or outlook.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: When it comes to anti Semitism in this country.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: You must have been very disturbed by what you've seen
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: the Jewish community go through over the past eight eight months.
• 28:31
  Speaker 9: Absolutely, And I mean I just thought, in my own
• 28:35
  Speaker 9: small way, I can you know, draw attention to somebody
• 28:40
  Speaker 9: who's standing there with courage and steering these people down
• 28:44
  Speaker 9: this sudden onslaught against the Jewish community that was coming
• 28:47
  Speaker 9: from all angles. I mean, it's you know, it's I
• 28:52
  Speaker 9: suppose my way of pointing to Alex and saying, listen
• 28:57
  Speaker 9: to this man, and you know came from sheer admiration
• 29:01
  Speaker 9: really for his courage and steadfastness.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, brilliant, Well done, Alex.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: You would not have believed how your life would have
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: changed on the back of the horrors of October the seventh.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: You've just come back from a global conference in Berlin
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: on Andy Semitism. We've got Donald Trump going to the
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Middle East in coming days, one more hostage to be
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: released on the back of that. Tell us about the
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: perspective of how your life has changed over the past
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: eight eight months.
• 29:29
  Speaker 10: Look, in a way, there's been very little change. I
• 29:32
  Speaker 10: devoted myself to this cause, to writing, to speaking a
• 29:36
  Speaker 10: long time ago, and I've been doing it for a
• 29:38
  Speaker 10: long time. But October seven changed everything for the entire
• 29:42
  Speaker 10: Jewish people, and certainly for me as a professional. It
• 29:44
  Speaker 10: took everything the whole new levels of interest and scrutiny,
• 29:49
  Speaker 10: and it caused this kind of public examination of the
• 29:52
  Speaker 10: Jewish question, something that has happened over and over again
• 29:54
  Speaker 10: throughout history and something that rarely ends well for the
• 29:57
  Speaker 10: Jewish people, and I felt this was my time to
• 30:00
  Speaker 10: stand up for my people. I think that in every
• 30:03
  Speaker 10: generation we face these challenges, and if I didn't do
• 30:07
  Speaker 10: everything in my power to defend ourselves and stand up
• 30:10
  Speaker 10: for the values of this country, I would regret it
• 30:12
  Speaker 10: for the rest of my life. So it's been an
• 30:15
  Speaker 10: automatic decision in the honor of my life to defend
• 30:17
  Speaker 10: the Jewish people at this time.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'm a great admirer of both of
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: you and Johannis and I catch up quite a bit.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: And one of the good news story out of this.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: You guys haven't met before this idea for a portrait.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Right now, you've become mates, right, that's exactly right.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: But we did go to school.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: We went to the same school you discovered you yeah, yeah.
• 30:36
  Speaker 10: We found these commonalities. And you know from the minute
• 30:39
  Speaker 10: that we met for a cup of coffee and had
• 30:42
  Speaker 10: has put the proposition to me to sit for the
• 30:45
  Speaker 10: for the portrait, we just hit it off. It's a
• 30:48
  Speaker 10: fantastic human being and we really struck up a relationship here.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: One great painting, stupid decision by the Archibald's board and
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: a couple of mates, a lifelong friends.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: No doubt.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us again, Alex and you Hannah's terrific stuff.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know much about art.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I know what I like, and
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: that is one wonderful portrait.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: I love the portrait of just In the Navajimpi price too.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: By the way, better get to a break. On the
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: other side of that, I'll catch up with Joel Fitzgiven.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: We'll get his take on who's in and who's out
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: of Anthony Alberanezi's cabinet.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: And some pretty encouraging breaking news.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: The US and China have just agreed to pause reciprocal tariffs.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Here's the US Treasury Treasury Secretary speaking in Geneva just
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: moments again.
• 31:34
  Speaker 11: On a ninety day pause and substantially moved down the
• 31:43
  Speaker 11: tariff levels. Both sides on the reciprocal tariffs will move
• 31:48
  Speaker 11: their terriffs down one hundred and fifteen percent.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's a big move.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: I expect that's going to be very pleasing to markets
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: around the world, but there's a long way to go.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Let me bring in former Labor to Defence Minister Joel Fitzgiven. Joel,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: good to talk to you. I want to talk to
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: you about the election fallout. But let's get your thoughts
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: on that. Of course, in this Trumpian world, you know,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: the dials, you know, fluctuates wildly from day to day,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: so you can't get too far ahead of the ahead
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: of ourselves. But if you've got China and the US
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: dialing down the tariff war, that's got to be a
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: good sign at the stage.
• 32:26
  Speaker 12: Yeah, that's right, Chris. I think gets an acknowledgment on
• 32:29
  Speaker 12: Donald Trump's part that no one wins out of a
• 32:32
  Speaker 12: trade war, no one wins in a protected global economy.
• 32:37
  Speaker 12: I think it also shows that he sort of knows
• 32:39
  Speaker 12: what he's doing. Sadly, you know, he's about he's willing
• 32:43
  Speaker 12: to inflict a little bit of pain along the way,
• 32:46
  Speaker 12: but he genuinely believes obviously that it's not on level
• 32:51
  Speaker 12: playing field. He's trying to tun it back into balance
• 32:54
  Speaker 12: and we'll wait and see. But he appears to be
• 32:57
  Speaker 12: meeting with some success.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: The trouble is he's folks on all these major trading partners.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile Australia suffers along with needless tariff. So he could
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: sort of clear us up in about ten minutes and
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: then move on with that stuff.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: We'll see where it goes now.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Anthony Albernezi, of course, has announced the makeup of his
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: new front bench today. One of the big casualties was
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Eddie Hughesick.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: He spat the dummy yesterday.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: We've had people in senior roles in this government that
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: did the same thing as I did, questioned, and I
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: don't think that's an unhealthy thing. I leave my values.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: I think it's important to say you sometimes have to
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: make a decision that's good for the collective. And when
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: people look at a deputy prime minister, they expect to
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: see a statesman, not a factional assassin.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: A factional assassin.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Now, Ed Musick's a good bloke and he was poorly treated.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: But this is just the way it goes, isn't.
• 33:51
  Speaker 12: It a bit of frustration shining through from Ed there?
• 33:55
  Speaker 12: But he's a talented individual, full of energy and and
• 34:00
  Speaker 12: I believe there'll be a pathway back for Ed. But
• 34:03
  Speaker 12: it is the system of chris An architecture we all
• 34:08
  Speaker 12: go along with when things are going well, and like
• 34:10
  Speaker 12: to push back against when things are not going so well.
• 34:13
  Speaker 12: And unfortunately the makeup of the huge ninety four person
• 34:18
  Speaker 12: caucus has changed and the new South Wales right had
• 34:22
  Speaker 12: to lose the spot. I don't think it would have
• 34:24
  Speaker 12: been the other way around. New South Wales would be
• 34:28
  Speaker 12: playing a different game, offering to give us a spot
• 34:30
  Speaker 12: away to their Victorian friends to be expected, and someone
• 34:35
  Speaker 12: had to go as a consequence. And it's very sad
• 34:38
  Speaker 12: for me that it was ed because I do think
• 34:41
  Speaker 12: he has an enormous contribution to make and I do
• 34:45
  Speaker 12: hope he'll get the opportunity to do it again.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it might be difficult mine they given you got
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: over ninety sixs this time round.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Surely the only way that is going is down.
• 34:56
  Speaker 12: It's interesting. Oh well, we'll wait and see. But that
• 34:59
  Speaker 12: might correct. The right wing of the party might be
• 35:03
  Speaker 12: in structural decline and they need to have a long
• 35:07
  Speaker 12: hard think about that. And if they come to that
• 35:09
  Speaker 12: conclusion I think they should, then they need to get
• 35:12
  Speaker 12: active and energetic and to do something about it. The
• 35:15
  Speaker 12: interesting thing about it, of course, is that in a
• 35:18
  Speaker 12: sense he fall victim to affirmative action. And I certainly
• 35:21
  Speaker 12: support affirmative action and securing more women in the House
• 35:25
  Speaker 12: of Representatives and indeed the Senate. But as a Muslim,
• 35:29
  Speaker 12: there was no sort of affirmative action to protect him
• 35:32
  Speaker 12: and I think that's an obvious conflict in philosophy.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well we will see that.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Look to me, there wasn't a lot in the shakeup today.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, a sure role and the big winner to
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: become Attorney General replacing Mark Dreyfuss.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: But a couple of.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: Things that I thought were noteworthy.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: One was a Tanya plivsect being shunned in sideways of
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: the Social Services.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: That doesn't sound like much fun to me.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: But also Chris Bowen keeping climate and energy that's going
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: to drive a lot of people in this country nuts.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: But here's what Anthony Alberanezi had to say about both
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: those points today.
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: Do you see Tanya ple the set having that role
• 36:08
  Speaker 7: until we next going the election.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: I'm just announcing it today and you're asking me a
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: people moving on. This is the ministry that I'm announcing today.
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: I hope it continues for three years across the board.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Take being given the Social services portfolio and.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Did you give any consideration to shifting Crispo.
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: She was very positive about the portfolio and no.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: No consideration to shifting cris bow And I'd like to
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: get your thoughts on that. But beforehand, on Tanya plipasecond
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Is she disgruntled that she just have to take her druthers.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, she's still a cabinet minister. That's not a
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: bad gig.
• 36:52
  Speaker 12: First of all, Chris, I think that if you have
• 36:54
  Speaker 12: won ninety four seats or have a eighteen seat majoricy
• 37:00
  Speaker 12: already in the House of Representatives, you're entitled to claim
• 37:03
  Speaker 12: that your policy settings and promises were on track. So
• 37:07
  Speaker 12: it's not surprising that Anthony Alberiez he is sticking to
• 37:10
  Speaker 12: his agenda, and it's not surprising that largely he's keeping
• 37:15
  Speaker 12: people in the jobs that delivered an election victory. Most
• 37:18
  Speaker 12: of the changes have been forced with the departure of others. Look,
• 37:23
  Speaker 12: anergy policy isn't just Chris Bowen's policy. It's the government's policy.
• 37:27
  Speaker 12: They believe it's the right policy for the country, all
• 37:30
  Speaker 12: of the viewers. I think that from time to time
• 37:33
  Speaker 12: I've had issue with the ambition of it, and I
• 37:37
  Speaker 12: remain concerned about the ambition of it. But the government
• 37:42
  Speaker 12: went to an election with this policy. Chris Bowen was
• 37:45
  Speaker 12: the lead on that policy. They won an election in
• 37:47
  Speaker 12: a landslide, So no one should be surprised to learn
• 37:51
  Speaker 12: that it's full steam ahead on the part they were
• 37:54
  Speaker 12: following prior to the election.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, although I think take talk that one through a
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: bit more detail because when we have more time, because
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: obviously energy is a big problem for the country, and
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: labor failed to deliver its energy promises, and if it
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: does more of the same, we could end up with
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: even more problems in this.
• 38:12
  Speaker 12: Term, but very quickly because my favorite subject, but what
• 38:16
  Speaker 12: the government needs to do across the economy is deal
• 38:19
  Speaker 12: with this ridiculous regulatory burden we have. I don't know
• 38:22
  Speaker 12: where you saw the great story about Adam Gilmore at
• 38:24
  Speaker 12: Gilmore Space. He's finally about to put a rocket capable
• 38:28
  Speaker 12: of launching a satellite into orbit, but the regulatory burden
• 38:31
  Speaker 12: his experience has been ridiculous, getting approvals to launch, etc.
• 38:36
  Speaker 12: And it's symbolic and typical of the regulatory burden we
• 38:40
  Speaker 12: have throughout our economy. And we need to get some
• 38:42
  Speaker 12: more gas out of the ground. There's this debate about
• 38:45
  Speaker 12: how much we export and how much we keep for
• 38:47
  Speaker 12: our domestic market. Chris, we've got enough for everyone.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Seeming to extract it. Seeing Joel, you've just solved our problems.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Chris Bowen's going to resign and you're going to go
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: back into politics Industry and Energy Minister. Thanks for joining us,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: John Joel Fitzgivens. They're the former Labor Defense Minister joining
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: us live. We better get to a break on the
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: other side, Gemutine Union, Caroline Durusso we'll talk about who
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: should lead the Liberal Party from here, let us sort
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: out the problems of the country of Gematine UNI from
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: GT Communication. Hello, Hello and over Perth, our great mate,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Caroline Duso, host of the Royal Report.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Who do you reckon should lead the Liberal Party?
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Madam President of the Western Australian Liberal Party.
• 39:31
  Speaker 13: Well, the best thing, I think that'd be a woeful idea.
• 39:35
  Speaker 13: The best thing that a state president can do is
• 39:38
  Speaker 13: keep their counsel on these sorts of things well above
• 39:41
  Speaker 13: my pay grade. Chris, and I know you desperately want
• 39:44
  Speaker 13: me to say something, but I'm I'm actually we want to.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I want you to throw your head into the ring.
• 39:53
  Speaker 13: That is that is terrible and we certainly don't need
• 39:55
  Speaker 13: to start those sorts of vicious rumors on national television.
• 40:00
  Speaker 13: The only thing that I would say is, you know,
• 40:02
  Speaker 13: the party room is a bit depleted at the moment,
• 40:06
  Speaker 13: and I just think that wise heads need to prevail
• 40:09
  Speaker 13: and do what's best for the party going forward.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they look like having fewer MPs than your AFL list, Jimma.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: But Andrew Hasty.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Strikes me as the smartest spoke because he's staying right
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: out of this.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah this time round.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: So I think, you know, no matter what anybody feels
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: about Susan Lee or Angus Taylor taking over now and
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: thinking you can be the person to lead them back
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: into government is probably a stretch.
• 40:33
  Speaker 14: Well, it's the night watchman's job, isn't it. I mean
• 40:35
  Speaker 14: that's what we've always discussed it as. And I look,
• 40:38
  Speaker 14: you and I were just having a bit of a
• 40:39
  Speaker 14: chat off air, and I referenced it in my weekend column,
• 40:42
  Speaker 14: just gone about you know, they're talking about factions and
• 40:46
  Speaker 14: this and the stuff that ordinary voters like myself who
• 40:48
  Speaker 14: are just enough removed from the party machan ages, we
• 40:51
  Speaker 14: don't care about it. I don't want you to throw
• 40:53
  Speaker 14: a uterus at this and think it's going to solve
• 40:55
  Speaker 14: the problem, because that is one of the most insulting
• 40:58
  Speaker 14: things you can do. And do you know who gave
• 41:00
  Speaker 14: Susan Lee the kisser death? Peter Fitz Simons on his
• 41:04
  Speaker 14: social media account on the platform formerly known as Twitter,
• 41:07
  Speaker 14: he said, she's the right and the only person to
• 41:09
  Speaker 14: lead the Liberals. Sorry, she's a woman.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: You're a gunner, Peter fitz Simon.
• 41:13
  Speaker 14: I mean, arguably she's not the right person. My response
• 41:16
  Speaker 14: to when I heard that news was Susan who. Sorry,
• 41:20
  Speaker 14: just because you're led, it doesn't mean you're any more qualified.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Stop it, stop it.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, night Watchman. I'm reminded of Dizzy Gillespie. I
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: think once when in his Night Watchman made two hundred
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: not out.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: So it's not impossible.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: One of them could take over and win an election
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: or two down the track. But I want to talk
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: about the labor side as well, and Edie Husic labor right,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: got to cabinet, got to be an industry minister.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: You only get there, Jemma, by playing the factional game.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: He's a unionist.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: He came up through the unions. He's part of a faction.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: They give him the job, then when they take it away,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: suddenly he hates.
• 42:00
  Speaker 14: It's just rich, isn't it. He lived by the sword, mate,
• 42:02
  Speaker 14: You die by the sword. If you want to be
• 42:04
  Speaker 14: part of a party machine that operates that way and
• 42:07
  Speaker 14: doesn't pretend not to. It is openly and probably the
• 42:10
  Speaker 14: only thing it is transparent about that. That's how it
• 42:13
  Speaker 14: promotes people. And then the shuffling happens and you get
• 42:16
  Speaker 14: your neck on the block. Buddy, you signed up for it.
• 42:20
  Speaker 14: You can't bitch and moan about it right now. And
• 42:23
  Speaker 14: I think you know it's obviously a bit of pill
• 42:25
  Speaker 14: for him to swallow, but for him to come out
• 42:27
  Speaker 14: whining and saying all of the things that he said
• 42:30
  Speaker 14: on the weekend, and some of the leftist media going, oh,
• 42:33
  Speaker 14: you know, he's so noble, is it cats out of
• 42:34
  Speaker 14: the bank?
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: No, he's not.
• 42:36
  Speaker 14: He just played the game and he's having a tantrum
• 42:38
  Speaker 14: when it went didn't go his.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Way and could possibly be unwise for him, especially as
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Joel was suggesting.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: You might get a chance further down the track.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Well, that sort of an outburst doesn't really help. But Caro,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: this is what the liberals are.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: You know, there's broadly a moderate and conservative faction in
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: the Liberal Party, but as you know it, you know,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: it's pretty loose and you get broadly got a model
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: and conservative candidate in this leadership contest, but it's not
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: really factionalized and I suppose with someone involved in the
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: party you want to guard against that.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: You know, you want less of that rather than more.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: You want the party to stand for merit above all else.
• 43:16
  Speaker 13: Yeah, And the point that Jemma made before and I
• 43:19
  Speaker 13: actually said this after the last election, and I'm going
• 43:22
  Speaker 13: to say it again. You know, when people have problems
• 43:25
  Speaker 13: or they look to government, you know, because there are
• 43:27
  Speaker 13: some things that government.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Should do right.
• 43:29
  Speaker 13: They don't look for the right or left solution to
• 43:32
  Speaker 13: the problem. People with political science degrees are interested in
• 43:35
  Speaker 13: that drivel. Most people just want the most effective solution
• 43:40
  Speaker 13: to the problem. And what it is really important is
• 43:42
  Speaker 13: when you develop those policies and you message them in
• 43:45
  Speaker 13: a way so that people go, oh yeah, actually that
• 43:48
  Speaker 13: there is the best thing for me. That there is
• 43:50
  Speaker 13: really important. And to be able to develop those policies
• 43:53
  Speaker 13: and to be able to speak to people and to
• 43:56
  Speaker 13: listen to them in the first place, I think Chris
• 43:59
  Speaker 13: actually apol do have to look to merit and people
• 44:02
  Speaker 13: with a broad range of skills in a broad range
• 44:05
  Speaker 13: of industries and professions and what have you. Everyone has
• 44:09
  Speaker 13: something that they can bring and that's what I think
• 44:12
  Speaker 13: is important going forward. And look there you know there
• 44:16
  Speaker 13: is some young talent there in the Libs that was
• 44:18
  Speaker 13: previously sitting on the back bench, and hopefully it's an
• 44:22
  Speaker 13: opportunity for some of that younger talent to be elevated,
• 44:26
  Speaker 13: because you know, we do need more young people, we
• 44:29
  Speaker 13: do need some fresh ideas, and we do need to
• 44:31
  Speaker 13: go and argue the case.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: So I think I.
• 44:34
  Speaker 13: Think it's absolutely imperative that we look at that cross
• 44:37
  Speaker 13: section of what the community needs and what skill set
• 44:41
  Speaker 13: we have in the party as to determining who ends
• 44:44
  Speaker 13: up in those positions, rather than as I say, who
• 44:48
  Speaker 13: are your mates and who braids your hair?
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, braids your hair?
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: Well, the answer to that one is pretty obvious with me.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Let's look at other part when it comes to other parties.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: There's a couple of bits of good news for this
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: program out of the election.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: One is that Chris Boone is sticking around in Climate and.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Energy, so we'll keep on his tail and we'll keep
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: sharing with you some of his social media posts. The
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: other one is it looks like Monique Ryan has held
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: on in Kuyong. She was pushed pretty hard by Amelia Hamer.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: That means this bloke Monique Ryan's husband any day now
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: any day now, he's going to be allowed back into
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: the house. He's out of the dog ken all after
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: hiding this sign. So she's managed to hang on Jemma
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: despite this bloke's antics.
• 45:27
  Speaker 14: I mean, people are like mister Howard used to say,
• 45:30
  Speaker 14: the electorate always gets it right. I don't necessarily.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Agree with that.
• 45:33
  Speaker 14: I think that's a terrible decision. However, However, for all
• 45:36
  Speaker 14: the bleeding of how great the teals are, and you know,
• 45:39
  Speaker 14: Kate Cheney didn't romp it in, she scraped back in.
• 45:42
  Speaker 14: Monique Ryan, Zoe Daniel Gone looks like Nicolette whatever her
• 45:47
  Speaker 14: name is.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Bradford looks like she was your full short So we
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: might be seeing the zenith of the till.
• 45:52
  Speaker 14: And neither should she have. She shouldn't have even been
• 45:53
  Speaker 14: allowed to proceed. But that's one for another day. I
• 45:57
  Speaker 14: think the story that Jenna Olbrick's and wrote in the
• 46:00
  Speaker 14: weekend paper about the how of Tim Wilson's campaign should
• 46:04
  Speaker 14: be mandatory reading, I think for everyone in the conservative parties,
• 46:07
  Speaker 14: because you know the question and understanding that the only
• 46:11
  Speaker 14: people hung up about the gender and the ethnicity of
• 46:15
  Speaker 14: the candidate is the political left. I could have told
• 46:18
  Speaker 14: you that I'm lying in hospital. I've said this to
• 46:20
  Speaker 14: you before, waiting for emergency surgery on my kidneys three
• 46:23
  Speaker 14: years ago. I didn't look up and go, oh, mate, Sorr, I.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: Need a check.
• 46:26
  Speaker 14: Sorry, sorry, what's your ethnicity? Sorry your white Anglo Saxon male,
• 46:30
  Speaker 14: please don't operate on me and saved my life. There's
• 46:32
  Speaker 14: not enough diversity in this theater. I mean, it's bollocks.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: It is nonsense.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: But with Manique Ryan back in Parliament, staying and there,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: we're all going to have to remember her title.
• 46:43
  Speaker 8: Put your masks on, Put your masks on, Put your
• 46:46
  Speaker 8: masks on.
• 46:47
  Speaker 15: It's really really important to use the term doctor Monique Bryan.
• 46:52
  Speaker 15: We want people to know that she's a doctor. And
• 46:54
  Speaker 15: Monique Bryan is the way that her name appears on
• 46:58
  Speaker 15: a ballot paper, so that's really really portant. She used
• 47:00
  Speaker 15: doctor Manique Ryan.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Care.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: She'll be sworn in again, doctor Manique Ryan. She of
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: the masks.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I can't believe.
• 47:11
  Speaker 13: I can't believe that that your campaign staff have to
• 47:16
  Speaker 13: tell people that to refer to you as a doctor
• 47:18
  Speaker 13: and actually and actually, and maybe that works in a
• 47:21
  Speaker 13: place like Kujong, I'm not sure, but you know, in
• 47:24
  Speaker 13: normal everyday voter land. Most of the doctors I know
• 47:28
  Speaker 13: are like, oh hi, call me Bob.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: It's always the.
• 47:30
  Speaker 13: Person who's done some some bizarre kind of postdoctorate in like,
• 47:36
  Speaker 13: you know, I don't interpretive dance, it's something like that,
• 47:41
  Speaker 13: or you know, the combination of beavers if they hypenate.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they do.
• 47:45
  Speaker 13: But you know, it's always those people who are like,
• 47:47
  Speaker 13: please remember to call me doctor. No one's looking for
• 47:52
  Speaker 13: them on a flight when there's a medical emergency.
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: That so, so.
• 47:58
  Speaker 13: You know, and look, she she does have a genuine
• 48:02
  Speaker 13: medical degree.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: She's a proper doctor.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: She's a proper doctor in that she's not like Jim Charmers,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: a doctor of Paul Keating.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: That's just correct.
• 48:11
  Speaker 13: We are down to what you offer the community.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: It is, indeed, Caro, what you offer the community. Thanks
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: so much for joining us, Gematon Unie and Carolina or So.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: We are almost out of time.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Quick quick bit of feedback from you from last week
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: and Adam Bant losing his seat. One viewer says calling
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton toxic is the pot calling the kettle black,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: and another one says he'll definitely miss the private jets
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: and the contest Chairman's Lounge. I wonder if you've got
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: a lifetime Chairman's Lounge membership.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me. I'll be back tomorrow night at
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: five