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Headless Mailbag- The Book of Abramelin/Auryn Symbol & more · The Occult Rejects

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Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen.
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Speaker 2: What What's gonna happen? What?
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Speaker 3: Welcome everybody, once again to another Headless magical mail bag.
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Speaker 1: I got my partner Nick, Nick, tell him what's coming up?
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Speaker 1: Tell them what they can find?
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Speaker 4: Jack, Yo, what's going on? Thank you very much, Headless.
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Speaker 4: I felt like, did you have the volume up a
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Speaker 4: little bit louder on that song? I felt like it
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Speaker 4: was it was slapping harder today?
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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, yeah, it was. That was That was good.
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Speaker 4: Actually it was a good little bitt It was a
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Speaker 4: little bit louder, it was hitting hard. Uh, everything's good. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: they called rejects.
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Speaker 2: Obviously.
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Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure everybody knows what it is, and everybody
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Speaker 4: knows Headless from it. But yeah, they call rejects all
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Speaker 4: major podcasts, bitch you, brumble and YouTube thank you?
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Speaker 1: All right? You got anything big coming up? Ugh?
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Speaker 2: Oh oh well, I mean it's big. I mean I
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Speaker 2: guess it.
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Speaker 4: Will reflect the show once I make the footage and
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Speaker 4: put it out. But I am going to that summit
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Speaker 4: thing on the twentieth to the twenty fourth.
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Speaker 2: I actually didn't know it was four days straight.
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Speaker 4: That's why I was like, oh, that's why the ticket
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Speaker 4: is so expensive, but it's Yeah, I think it's like
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Speaker 4: supposedly four days straight and I'm going to.
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Speaker 2: I got the permission.
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Speaker 4: At first, I wasn't allowed to film, and I was
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Speaker 4: going to try to go there and film whatever I
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Speaker 4: can by myself before I walk to the place. But
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Speaker 4: I'm allowed to actually bring this stuff in and I
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Speaker 4: will be like filming most of the place. And they're
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Speaker 4: having a thing where they like they're taking people. I
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Speaker 4: think they have three buses of people that they're taking
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Speaker 4: to like a different location to like for an interview
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Speaker 4: with Randall Carson.
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Speaker 2: It's some guy who's like some Cherokee do whatever.
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Speaker 4: And I'm gonna be able to film that and record
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Speaker 4: that and meet the guy myself. So I got that
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Speaker 4: coming up. And again like I'll try to put out
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Speaker 4: whatever I can as fast as I can for the show.
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Speaker 4: But yeah, definitely got that coming So that's exciting. They
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Speaker 4: should have hopefully meet some people.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're talking about the conference at Pilot Mountain.
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Speaker 4: Yes, Yes, sorry, the one I may have Mount Pilot
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Speaker 4: in North Carolina. So if anybody's going, I'll be there.
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Speaker 4: I'll have my little press pass long I'll be standing
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Speaker 4: behind a camera.
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Speaker 1: Awesome, awesome.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I mentioned Pilot Mountain to my dad and
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Speaker 3: he's like, yeah, I know that place. It's like, I
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Speaker 3: had no idea it was so popular, but I guess
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Speaker 3: it's you know, this is kind of a big deal.
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Speaker 3: You know this this this place, and what Randall Carlson
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Speaker 3: is doing. Things are starting to shift in that direction.
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Speaker 3: I think that's that's pretty interesting.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they think it's uh, I think kind of going
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Speaker 4: by like what Ricardo was telling me.
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Speaker 2: Do you ever see.
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Speaker 4: Close encounters of the third time where they were like
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Speaker 4: thinking this was showing up at this specific space the spot.
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Speaker 4: I think they that's kind of like they think something's
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Speaker 4: coming there. So I'm hoping maybe I'll catch some little
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Speaker 4: green men coming out of the mountain or something like.
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Speaker 1: Keep an eye out here is what you gotta do.
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Speaker 3: You got to get a mirror, right and then have
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Speaker 3: that hooked up to your GoPro, and as you're climbing
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Speaker 3: the mountain, you're gonna see all the.
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Speaker 1: Things behind me. That's one of the tricks.
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Speaker 3: A lot of these bigfoot people have been doing that
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Speaker 3: mirror trick because they'll take a look at.
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Speaker 1: You as you're walking away.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's pretty small.
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Speaker 2: I like that. It's like putting of your mirror.
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Speaker 1: On that, right.
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Speaker 3: So that's at least some of the new footage I've
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Speaker 3: seen where it's just like, oh look there's a peaker.
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Speaker 3: There's a peaker, and you may get EVPs or you
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Speaker 3: may get whatever, but you're not gonna get you know,
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Speaker 3: full body apparitions. Because I think bigfoot is probably related
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Speaker 3: to ghosts.
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Speaker 2: I mean I think it's yeah.
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Speaker 4: I do think it's something like that that comes in
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Speaker 4: and out. Just to explain another thing, so much go ahead.
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Speaker 3: Well, there's so much talk about like nature spirits, right,
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Speaker 3: but nobody ever puts these two together. It's like all
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Speaker 3: the Native Americans are calling this thing a nature spirit.
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Speaker 3: You know, maybe it phases in and out of reality,
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Speaker 3: and we've got different ways of describing it, but can
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Speaker 3: you really say it's a physical thing.
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Speaker 1: We haven't found any dead bodies. We haven't found anybody.
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Speaker 2: Oh yo.
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Speaker 4: As silly as it is and as simple as it is,
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Speaker 4: I've never thought of that. Nobody's ever found a fucking body.
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Speaker 4: I mean, what is there some cave they all crawl
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Speaker 4: to and dying they know when they're dying. None of
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Speaker 4: them has ever just dropped dead from a heart attack
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Speaker 4: in the forest.
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Speaker 1: They say that there's this group of like men in.
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Speaker 2: Black, they go around and get the bodies.
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Speaker 3: We go out there and catch these bodies and like
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Speaker 3: pick them up and use the government. But it's like,
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Speaker 3: what if they're actually related to the fay as well,
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Speaker 3: because they don't really seem all that physical either.
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Speaker 4: I was gonna say, like, what's the difference of it
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Speaker 4: being like a faye, right, like if it comes in
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Speaker 4: and out, Like I could see.
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Speaker 2: It being something like that.
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Speaker 4: Again, it's even associated with the woods, like all those
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Speaker 4: other things are kind of in a sense.
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Speaker 3: And a lot of these men in Black spottings, these
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Speaker 3: sightings that they have, they seem like they're animating corpse.
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Speaker 3: I mean, what's that about. You've got animated corpses going
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Speaker 3: around telling you to stop talking about aliens. That's pretty
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Speaker 3: weird how these Bigfoot MIBs are any different. But from
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Speaker 3: what I've heard, they've got a bunch of pickup trucks,
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Speaker 3: and these Bigfoot MIBs do follow people around in pickup trucks,
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Speaker 3: So why would they do that if they were related
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Speaker 3: to these government agencies? They're just unmarked to pickup trucks.
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Speaker 3: To me, it sounds like, well, hey, you know, this
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Speaker 3: this phenomena that keeps adapting to what we see it
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Speaker 3: as probably have something to do with the spirits or
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Speaker 3: whatever in the region, because that's why they have to
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Speaker 3: keep changing. You know, they wouldn't change if they were
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Speaker 3: physical things, but they change because.
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Speaker 1: That's what they're doing, you know.
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Speaker 4: But you know a lot of stuff that has made
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Speaker 4: me start to wonder is like even the stuff that
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Speaker 4: Ricardo's talked about, it's really actually maybe wonder is it
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Speaker 4: like some frequency change that it makes you it either
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Speaker 4: makes it appear or makes you.
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Speaker 2: Think you're seeing it.
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Speaker 4: And so he and then like going with like David Piloti, shit,
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Speaker 4: it's like you're getting uh, you're getting you bigfoot showing
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Speaker 4: up and then people just disappearing. So I do just
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Speaker 4: wonder about like portals and frequencies and all sorts of
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Speaker 4: weird shit. Or you're getting close to something and you're
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Speaker 4: hallucinating or seeing seeing a fane now because of the
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Speaker 4: situation you're.
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Speaker 3: In, may you know it could be a portal into
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Speaker 3: a new new dimension, new reality. I mean, you've got
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Speaker 3: the idea of the simulation, you've got the idea of
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Speaker 3: these multi dimensional type events. Why why isn't it related
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Speaker 3: to that? Maybe there's other dimensions that are sort of
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Speaker 3: bordering or at least creating stress plates on.
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Speaker 1: That's what I think the physical reality we're on a.
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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, people talk about the thinning of the veil
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Speaker 3: are associated with physical locations.
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Speaker 4: You know, if you were to go fucking Wikipedia right now,
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Speaker 4: we'll even say that it's known as like one of
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Speaker 4: the thinnest the veil in the world. Like Wikipedia even
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Speaker 4: like acknowledges like the veil, right, and.
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Speaker 3: If you really think about it, the veil is so
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Speaker 3: closely associated with simulation theory. Yes, I mean that's kind
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Speaker 3: of what it is. It's just you know, what are
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Speaker 3: we and where do we come from? That's always been
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Speaker 3: the question, and I think having a greater understanding of
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Speaker 3: what lies closest to our reality is probably the only
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Speaker 3: way you're going to get any answers for it. You
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Speaker 3: can't really depend on anybody else for that. But luckily
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Speaker 3: that's something that can be accessed from the mind because,
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Speaker 3: let's face it, you know we're evolving and so is
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Speaker 3: our tech.
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Speaker 1: So you want to go into the symbols.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you want to do yours first, of mind first.
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Speaker 3: Sure we could do mine first, so I thought I would,
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Speaker 3: amazing I was. Or So this Uran symbol is obviously
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Speaker 3: closely associated with the never Ending Story. It was invented
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Speaker 3: by the author of it, supposedly, and it's representational of
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Speaker 3: kind of a different take on the aura ubis or
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Speaker 3: the how do.
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Speaker 1: You pronounce that or boris ra boris? I always call
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Speaker 1: it aura ubis.
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Speaker 2: I had to hear somebody else say it to know
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Speaker 2: how to say it correct.
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Speaker 3: But the idea of the aura boris is that it's
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Speaker 3: the unification of above and below. And in this book,
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Speaker 3: the Princess is very closely associated with this symbol, and
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Speaker 3: naming the princess is how you reinvigorate the never Ending Story,
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Speaker 3: which is like the world of imagination. And so the
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Speaker 3: interplay between the dark Snake and the light Snake sort
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Speaker 3: of represents again similar to the vault nut, kind of
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Speaker 3: like this not in reality. And so from the triple
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Speaker 3: triangles to these two interlaced snakes, you kind of get
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Speaker 3: the idea that this is sort of the vibration state
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Speaker 3: that sort of locks one form of reality in and
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Speaker 3: keeps the other form of reality out.
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Speaker 1: So with both vault Nut and the Oran.
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Speaker 3: You kind of have this dichotomy of these different knot works,
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Speaker 3: and I think not work is very important in magic,
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Speaker 3: but gets very little attention anymore. It used to be
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Speaker 3: as you were doing spell work, you'd be making knots
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Speaker 3: and you'd be weaving, and you'd be creating a tapestry
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Speaker 3: or some form of topology that would encompass your will
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Speaker 3: into the craft that you're making. And when you're combined
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Speaker 3: both your will and something you are physically creating, you
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Speaker 3: create that residence point that sort of picks up and
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Speaker 3: transfers energy throughout the rest of reality.
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Speaker 1: And so this this idea of the are.
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Speaker 3: In being this go between between this world of imagination,
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Speaker 3: fantasia and reality. And so once you step into that
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Speaker 3: sort of space, you know, like the kid did and
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Speaker 3: the never Ending Story. As he was reading the book,
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Speaker 3: he found out that the walls there between the world
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Speaker 3: of fantasia and the world of waking life is really
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Speaker 3: not that thick, and so he kind of got to
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Speaker 3: experience the never Ending Story. And I think that it's
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Speaker 3: true with our own lives. We find these symbols that
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Speaker 3: really mean a lot to us, that you know, have
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Speaker 3: an impact on our lives, and maybe that central focus
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Speaker 3: of the different not work or the different places that
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Speaker 3: are the thin these veils leads us to this other world.
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Speaker 1: Maybe possibly.
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Speaker 2: I mean it kind of sums up the story actually.
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Speaker 3: Right, and it's like the consciousness of it reinvigorates it,
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Speaker 3: at least in the world of Fantasia. And I think
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Speaker 3: that world of Fantasia was kind of like the astral plane.
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Speaker 3: You know, it was like this constant state of imaginal
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Speaker 3: you know, hijinks that other people could participate in and
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Speaker 3: you know, reinvigorate their own lives with creativity and whatever.
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Speaker 3: But as soon as you've got this sort of regime
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Speaker 3: of killing imagination you're not supposed to think that you're
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Speaker 3: too old for that, then you kind of move out
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Speaker 3: of Fantasia.
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Speaker 1: That's the Nothings again. It's the Orten.
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Speaker 2: I got a it's kind of symbol. It's a book
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Speaker 2: or a ritual, book of Abramelin.
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Speaker 4: Figured i'd just touch on that a little bit, all right,
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Speaker 4: the Book of Avrammelon.
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Speaker 2: Uh real cool.
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Speaker 4: Let me pull up by note too, so there we go.
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Speaker 4: B they know, all right, Yes, the Book of Abramelin.
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Speaker 4: All right, the Book of Abramelin, and people.
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Speaker 2: Haven't heard of it.
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Speaker 4: It's basically one of them. It's one of a more
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Speaker 4: influential Grimoar. That is, it's known primarily for its ritual
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Speaker 4: or invoking ones Holy Guardian Angel. Sometimes you'll hear people
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Speaker 4: say hga, We'll see hga written that short full Holy
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Speaker 4: Guardian Angel with magicians, and it combines like a lot
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Speaker 4: of devotional stuff and you know, complex kind of like
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Speaker 4: ceremonial magic practices, the historical contexts and stuff about the book,
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Speaker 4: the author in the background. It's attributed to a guy
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Speaker 4: called Abraham of Worms, a Jewish magician supposedly active during
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Speaker 4: the fourteenth and fifteenth century. Abraham recounts his like extensive
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Speaker 4: travels through Europe, the Middle East, and Egypt, and supposedly,
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Speaker 4: I think when he was in Egypt, he learned the
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Speaker 4: ritual directly from an Egyptian mystic named Abramelin the Mage.
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Speaker 4: So it's like a guy Abraham of Worms is learning
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Speaker 4: the ritual from Abramelin the text originally or origins and manuscripts.
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Speaker 4: This is the thing why I wanted to cover it
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Speaker 4: because well, like even on the book, I'll just say
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Speaker 4: a short sign to know headless say if you can't,
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Speaker 4: maybe just like pull up the book too, right there,
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Speaker 4: like on the thing like it says translated by sl
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Speaker 4: McGregor mathers, So right there, just for me, that tells
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Speaker 4: me that that is not original and that it came
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Speaker 4: from something older and it was translated. Uh, it comes
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Speaker 4: from the oldest known manuscripts date back to sixteen oh
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Speaker 4: eight in seventeen twenty five, and they were in German.
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Speaker 4: Samuel Ledel. McGregor mathers popularized the text in eighteen ninety
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Speaker 4: seven when he did the English translation, though it's considered
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Speaker 4: to contain inaccuracies. Some guy, George Den provided more accurate translations.
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna be totally honest with you. I've never heard
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Speaker 4: of this guy until I sort of looking into more
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Speaker 4: of the book and that came out between like two
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Speaker 4: d two thousand and one and two thousand and six.
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Speaker 2: He like added stuff or whatever.
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Speaker 4: But to get into it real quick, just to dates
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Speaker 4: again that I just mentioned the fourteenth and fifteenth century
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Speaker 4: supposed to Abraham of Worm's claims the original instructions from
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Speaker 4: abramellon sixteen o eight in seventeen twenty five. There's manuscripts
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Speaker 4: popping up in German eighteen ninety seven. The English translation
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Speaker 4: is done influences from older grimoires. That is like something
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Speaker 4: that I think is interesting is that this book does
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Speaker 4: pull from other stuff that's a little bit older, like
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Speaker 4: pulls from the Key of Solomon now that goes back
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Speaker 4: to the fourteenth and fifteenth century. They both of them
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Speaker 4: have like kind of some of the involves rituals and
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Speaker 4: the symbolism some of them.
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Speaker 2: It has like the same sigils and glyphs that you
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Speaker 2: would use.
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Speaker 4: You will find some of them in the Key of Solomon,
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Speaker 4: the rs Notoria that I've covered and I had somebody
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Speaker 4: on the show for and I even have it on
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Speaker 4: the website. I went and like looked at it myself
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Speaker 4: and took pictures and stuff that is actually a part
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Speaker 4: of the Lesser Key of Solomon. And there is stuff
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Speaker 4: in that that does pop up in the in the
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Speaker 4: Abramelon and this one in this book. It is a
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Speaker 4: nine month program with daily Latin prayers, perfumed stuff, you know,
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Speaker 4: incense gazing on on intricate inc diagrams. You know that
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Speaker 4: a time to planetary hour was a two, so you know,
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Speaker 4: it's very much kind of like the Abramelon, the Cephar
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Speaker 4: ratzi l I had to say hamalaka or whatever. The
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Speaker 4: Book of Ratziel the Angel thirteenth century. Supposedly that had
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Speaker 4: an influence The piker Trix, which came out to be
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Speaker 4: well believed to be in the eleventh century, was supposedly
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Speaker 4: and influences well. Liber Auratus Honorai, which is another thirteenth
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Speaker 4: century grimoir, The Sworn Book of Honoreus, chapters one through
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Speaker 4: thirteen layout a month long sequence of fasting, confession, psalm, chanting,
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Speaker 4: and like fumigations, which if somebody doesn't know what that is,
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Speaker 4: it's like intense, like fucking incense, like just smoke the
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Speaker 4: fucking room out. And the whole thing about that is
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Speaker 4: that you're supposed to come into contact with your holy
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Speaker 4: guardian Angel and then another one the Stelae of jewel
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Speaker 4: or whatever, the Bornless ritual. Go listen knows about that,
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Speaker 4: the Greek magical papyri, and we're talking about that last night,
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Speaker 4: that you invokes the bornless one of the headless one,
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Speaker 4: and that's to unite the god and the practitioner very
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Speaker 4: much kind of like the Abramelon. And this is where
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Speaker 4: This is where you can give Croley some credit because
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Speaker 4: a lot of people give Croley credit for the Abramelon.
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Speaker 2: It's like, don't like, people get this guy way too
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Speaker 2: much credit.
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Speaker 4: He did come out with Liber samk or Liber, which
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Speaker 4: is kind of his version of this ritual to get
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Speaker 4: in contact with your Holy Guardian Angel. But like real
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Speaker 4: quick too. Just to add the structure of the book,
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Speaker 4: it is supposed to be about eighteen months long. In
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Speaker 4: this book, Mathers reduces it to six months, but it's
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Speaker 4: supposed to be about eighteen months long. And it does
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Speaker 4: use magical squares that we have covered before that a
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Speaker 4: lot of those magical squares you'll even see shown up
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Speaker 4: in Agrippa's book from fifteen thirty three. So I mean again,
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Speaker 4: this book is, you know, this stuff is pulling from
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Speaker 4: older things. And again you're supposed to establish contact with
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Speaker 4: the Holy Guardian Angel for guidance and spiritual mastery. The
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Speaker 4: ritual phases again, there's isolation, meditation, daily prayer, strict purity,
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Speaker 4: this angel invocation. You're culminating ceremonies to experience direct communion
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Speaker 4: with the HDA, and you again use a lot of
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Speaker 4: magical squares and the lesser spirits and at some point
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Speaker 4: you are supposed to like buying demons and supposed to
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Speaker 4: like control them, so your holy guardian angel can show
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Speaker 4: up and then.
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Speaker 2: Real quick to finish it off.
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Speaker 4: Just some people that are known for using it, Samuel Ladella,
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Speaker 4: McGregor Mathers obviously deon.
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Speaker 2: Unfortune, W. B.
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Speaker 4: Yeats and of course Alistair Crowley we all know didn't
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Speaker 4: finish it. But uh, yeah that is the aber mellin
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Speaker 4: as fast as I could and as much sense as.
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Speaker 1: I well, I mean, that was that was good.
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Speaker 3: But I think I think people are like, what is
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Speaker 3: a holy Guardian?
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Speaker 4: I honestly, I think that gets mind fucked and fucked
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Speaker 4: off my bion. I don't think like in the movie
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Speaker 4: there is a movie A fuck I can't remember the
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Speaker 4: name of it.
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Speaker 2: Now, fuck, there's a movie. It's a really good movie
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Speaker 2: about it.
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Speaker 4: I'll have to if I can remember it, I'll say
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Speaker 4: it on the show before we end it on Netflix
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Speaker 4: that it even shows you at one point there's like
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Speaker 4: a part where there's like a sexual thing and you
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Speaker 4: find out that the guy scammed the girl and it's
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Speaker 4: not actually in the ritual, so like there's no sex
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Speaker 4: and like the way it depicts the angel at the end.
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Speaker 4: I'm like, sorry, I don't think that's what really happens,
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Speaker 4: but you know, I see where you're going with it.
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Speaker 4: But yeah, I do think there's a miss maybe a
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Speaker 4: misconception with the HGA, just my opinion. I don't think
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Speaker 4: Rafael is gonna be standing in my living room being like,
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Speaker 4: what do you want, bro, I don't think that's happening.
19:21
Speaker 3: Well, I think if you do this ritual properly, you're
19:26
Speaker 3: going to be in such a fucked up headspace.
19:28
Speaker 2: That's what I think.
19:30
Speaker 1: That you're going to be seeing all sorts of stuff.
19:32
Speaker 2: You know, I totally agree with.
19:33
Speaker 1: You, right.
19:36
Speaker 3: The one that I like is the Witch's Cradle. But
19:41
Speaker 3: the Witch's Cradle is where you're in total isolation, kind
19:45
Speaker 3: of like a I guess sensory deprivation tank. But what
19:49
Speaker 3: they do is they wrap you in cloth and then
19:53
Speaker 3: hang you from a tree. So you're fully put into
19:58
Speaker 3: this cloth, you're wrapped around these different leather bands, and
20:02
Speaker 3: then you're hung from a tree for like three days.
20:06
Speaker 2: Wow.
20:06
Speaker 3: And so yeah, you're going places it's supposed to simulate
20:12
Speaker 3: kind of the uh right, So it has a lot
20:17
Speaker 3: of different but that's one of the things that was
20:20
Speaker 3: talked about in.
20:23
Speaker 1: Uncle Bucky's Big Blue Book.
20:24
Speaker 4: Bucklin's Oh God, holy shit, I haven't heard Uncle Bucky
20:28
Speaker 4: in a minute.
20:30
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
20:31
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had that book, dude, that Big Blue Book.
20:34
Speaker 4: Someone gave it to me. I didn't buy it, but
20:35
Speaker 4: I had that motherfucker.
20:36
Speaker 2: That shit was thick. There was a lot in there.
20:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's funny because a lot of the stuff
20:42
Speaker 3: was formulated from the OTO and then Gardener started using it.
20:46
Speaker 3: But there's a different feel to uh, I guess Wika
20:52
Speaker 3: than there is with OTO type rituals. We're kind of
20:56
Speaker 3: talking about it before. I think ritual and Wicka is
21:01
Speaker 3: more of a religious ritual, whereas in the OTO and
21:06
Speaker 3: like all these other ones, they're more like colleges.
21:09
Speaker 2: Actually, that's a really good way to put it. Yeah,
21:13
Speaker 2: it's uh.
21:13
Speaker 4: I would say Wicka ones are actually much more kind
21:16
Speaker 4: of specified, a bent on specific.
21:18
Speaker 2: Like gods of beliefs.
21:20
Speaker 4: With the other rituals, you can actually just choose whoever
21:22
Speaker 4: you want to work it with, right in a sense,
21:24
Speaker 4: I know it.
21:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very interesting way to put it.
21:28
Speaker 3: But you know, I think having those distinctions are going
21:32
Speaker 3: to be important because when you're going into a space
21:36
Speaker 3: that maybe you've never met these people before.
21:39
Speaker 1: You should know what to expect.
21:41
Speaker 3: And if you're going into more of a you know,
21:45
Speaker 3: Oto lodge type situation, you better be academically perfect on
21:51
Speaker 3: what you know, because if not, you're immediately low mad
21:55
Speaker 3: on the total. Whereas you can know nothing at all,
21:58
Speaker 3: show up at a drum circle, just start dropping away
22:03
Speaker 3: and you'll have a great time, because that's more of
22:05
Speaker 3: the wickest style, you know, raising the energy and sending
22:10
Speaker 3: out the energy. It's it's far less academic, but I
22:12
Speaker 3: think there's far more belief and fanaticism.
22:16
Speaker 1: Yes, I like that part, that's the good part.
22:21
Speaker 2: No, No, I get that.
22:22
Speaker 4: I mean I've I've gone on with my own you know,
22:24
Speaker 4: my own stuff in my own way, with like kind
22:27
Speaker 4: of like bringing Wika into ceremonial magic. You all the herbs,
22:30
Speaker 4: the crystals were burning grass I did all that's you know,
22:34
Speaker 4: all that stuff too incorporated into my rituals.
22:37
Speaker 1: Right right.
22:39
Speaker 3: I feel like the medium between the two would be
22:44
Speaker 3: kind of the the Norse paganism because you've got the bloat,
22:50
Speaker 3: which is where you know you're at the cross quarters,
22:54
Speaker 3: You're you're drinking to thor and then after you get
22:57
Speaker 3: done drinking the thor, then you go and you make
23:00
Speaker 3: your exposition about magic or whatever. But you're gonna have
23:03
Speaker 3: to present something to the group. It's gonna be, you know,
23:07
Speaker 3: uplifting for everybody. And so I think that's a nice
23:10
Speaker 3: because you're already in the mood, you're you're feeling the spirit,
23:13
Speaker 3: and then you're letting it out.
23:15
Speaker 1: And so I think I've.
23:17
Speaker 3: Been to two Norris bloats and they were really fun.
23:22
Speaker 1: They were in a.
23:23
Speaker 3: It was I forgot the name of it, but it
23:26
Speaker 3: was a big warehouse up in Virginia.
23:27
Speaker 1: It felt like fight club. These people in there drinking
23:31
Speaker 1: from horns. It was great.
23:33
Speaker 4: I kind of I gotta like look into the area.
23:36
Speaker 4: I was even told by the people that work here.
23:37
Speaker 4: The lady that showed me the apartment said that North Carolina,
23:40
Speaker 4: she said, this area is huge for witchcraft.
23:43
Speaker 2: She had tattoos on her fingers. That's why I asked.
23:44
Speaker 4: It was like you to like she had them on
23:46
Speaker 4: her fingers, on her hands. She's like, you'd be surprised
23:48
Speaker 4: how many people here are into this though. And if
23:51
Speaker 4: I think if you google it, North Carolina has like
23:53
Speaker 4: the highest rate of witchcraft people. I think it's probably
23:56
Speaker 4: because of the bad I guarantee it's because of the
23:58
Speaker 4: Bible belt going through it. It just just creates, it
24:01
Speaker 4: just creates, you know, something against Catholicism.
24:05
Speaker 3: Well, every state has like their their hippie town or
24:10
Speaker 3: North Carolina Ashleville is like the hippie town of hippie towns.
24:15
Speaker 4: You're right, Yeah, Like I was telling you, there's three
24:18
Speaker 4: stores in like a ten minute radius from my house
24:20
Speaker 4: when I lived in even when I lived out in
24:22
Speaker 4: Long Island and Queens, I was driving like a half
24:24
Speaker 4: hour to get to a magic school from.
24:26
Speaker 1: What you knew, because they're yeah, that's true.
24:29
Speaker 3: You know, like you go into somebody's apartment and you're
24:32
Speaker 3: buying herbs, you know, over their kitchen counter.
24:35
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe I should google botanic is botanic is instead
24:39
Speaker 4: of which which Gratt'll find ten of those in Jackson Knights.
24:41
Speaker 1: I'm sure, yeah, right.
24:44
Speaker 3: Right, But you know, to me, you gotta find the
24:50
Speaker 3: places if you're going to get into this stuff with
24:51
Speaker 3: other people, which is very very iffy.
24:54
Speaker 1: First get your spiritual hygiene and clean.
24:58
Speaker 3: You got to make sure that you could tell well
25:00
Speaker 3: if somebody's attached something to you or how to get
25:04
Speaker 3: rid of negative energies, because that is the most important thing.
25:08
Speaker 1: Especially if you're around with the magic users. You never
25:11
Speaker 1: know what they're doing.
25:11
Speaker 4: Or even just to feel their energy and you're like,
25:13
Speaker 4: maybe I shouldn't be working with this dude today.
25:17
Speaker 2: Right, but I can feel it.
25:20
Speaker 3: The number one place where you're going to see a
25:22
Speaker 3: modern day witch hunt is at one of these occult bookstores.
25:29
Speaker 3: They're always looking for witches who are doing spells to them,
25:32
Speaker 3: and so they're keeping the tradition alive. And they're always
25:36
Speaker 3: talking about how bad Christians are for doing that, and
25:38
Speaker 3: it's like, you do it.
25:39
Speaker 1: The same thing, You do it the same thing. It's
25:43
Speaker 1: not fun.
25:44
Speaker 4: Well, go over to Pennsylvania's you know, the Pennsylvania Dutch,
25:47
Speaker 4: you know, practice their Catholicism, their Christianity.
25:50
Speaker 2: It's cult as.
25:52
Speaker 1: I think I found something.
25:54
Speaker 3: I was watching one of the videos from Museum of
25:59
Speaker 3: Tarot and he was talking about the Flower of Life
26:03
Speaker 3: and he said that the Flower of Life.
26:05
Speaker 1: Is a scam. It's not what you think it is.
26:08
Speaker 3: And his evidence was the first guy to bring it
26:11
Speaker 3: back from Egypt was this hippie guy who believed that
26:14
Speaker 3: what he was seeing inside of this old, broken down
26:17
Speaker 3: Egyptian temple was this perfect geometric figure. But other anthropologists
26:25
Speaker 3: have gone back to that same spot where he saw
26:27
Speaker 3: this figure etched onto this wall, and you know, examined
26:31
Speaker 3: some of the surrounding writing and stuff.
26:34
Speaker 1: It turned out there was Greek.
26:35
Speaker 3: Writing around it and it was talking about thus always
26:41
Speaker 3: to the gods of the Pagans.
26:43
Speaker 1: Right, So what the Christian had done is he was.
26:46
Speaker 3: Marking out pagan Egyptian gods with his hex son. And
26:52
Speaker 3: so the flower of life was a heck son, which
26:55
Speaker 3: is what the Pennsylvania Dutch used today.
27:00
Speaker 1: Their magic.
27:00
Speaker 3: So I think on sub level, the heck sign has
27:04
Speaker 3: always been sort of native to Christian magic and we
27:07
Speaker 3: just don't know about it.
27:08
Speaker 4: That is interesting, like if people live around in that
27:10
Speaker 4: area or if they're in like Pennsylvania and like you
27:12
Speaker 4: see those houses that have those like circular mondalas up
27:15
Speaker 4: at the top of them, I mean, odds are they're
27:18
Speaker 4: not using it the way it was used. But back
27:20
Speaker 4: in the day that was like stating, I'm into this shit,
27:22
Speaker 4: and that's what this house is about. And this is
27:24
Speaker 4: our fucking basically our shield or all sigil, and it's
27:27
Speaker 4: become fucking art that people just blindly throwing their houses now.
27:31
Speaker 3: Right, well, they call them the heck sign because they
27:34
Speaker 3: always had six angle used in it, and so that
27:38
Speaker 3: heck sign.
27:39
Speaker 1: Was used in quilting, it was used all everything.
27:43
Speaker 3: Right, it has its roots in magic, and again it
27:46
Speaker 3: goes back to the idea that you have to be
27:47
Speaker 3: creating as well as putting your intention in so that
27:51
Speaker 3: it can have physical manifestation. And so the Pennsylvania, Dutch
27:55
Speaker 3: and the Abish would do these heck signs, and again
27:58
Speaker 3: I think that goes back too, so of the first
28:01
Speaker 3: Christians were doing their magic sigils.
28:04
Speaker 1: With the heck sizes. Yes, I agree, if don't get
28:10
Speaker 1: the wrong idea.
28:11
Speaker 3: Anything you know about first century second century Christianity is
28:16
Speaker 3: way different from the reality and the situation. The way
28:19
Speaker 3: Christianity's practice today is nothing like what they did back then.
28:23
Speaker 3: And you can read that in the Book of Paul,
28:26
Speaker 3: where he's tried to say what they're doing without trying
28:29
Speaker 3: to advocate it for everybody else.
28:31
Speaker 1: Because there's some weird stuff going on over the Day
28:34
Speaker 1: of Jesus Christ.
28:36
Speaker 2: I remember the first time I ever heard about this stuff.
28:38
Speaker 2: I didn't know.
28:39
Speaker 4: I was at the OTO and they did a class
28:41
Speaker 4: on the Pennsylvania Dutch magic or something like that, and
28:43
Speaker 4: his chicky kiddy did it, and I was just like,
28:46
Speaker 4: holy shit. And then I had asked her afterwards, I
28:48
Speaker 4: was like, yo, is there like any more or anywhere
28:49
Speaker 4: he can send me to do this stuff? And she
28:51
Speaker 4: gave me a couple places. And she had even said herself,
28:53
Speaker 4: She's like, I'm not so much into Christian stuff, she said,
28:56
Speaker 4: but I thought this was an interesting topic for people
28:58
Speaker 4: to learn about. But like she's even saying, so this
29:00
Speaker 4: is Christian magic, I mean right.
29:04
Speaker 1: Right. And you know what they have out here.
29:06
Speaker 3: They call it the pow wow and they take that
29:10
Speaker 3: directly from the Native Americans out here, and so they.
29:14
Speaker 1: Have powow men.
29:15
Speaker 3: And these are you know, these shamanic healer types that
29:19
Speaker 3: will go from community to community, you know, practicing medicine
29:23
Speaker 3: and magic on the different Amish communities. Guys, I'm really
29:26
Speaker 3: sorry about my nose. The trees are having sex outide.
29:30
Speaker 3: Hour body hates it. Yeah, so let me see here.
29:38
Speaker 3: We've got our first email from JAA. All right, I
29:41
Speaker 3: have to do it, and I'll try and keep it short.
29:44
Speaker 3: A few years ago, I was running the restaurant at
29:46
Speaker 3: a twenty four hour truck stop in rural Manitoba. There
29:51
Speaker 3: were several short shortage rooms where we kept our supplies. However,
29:56
Speaker 3: there was one in particular that really gave me a
29:59
Speaker 3: cree be feeling literally uneasy every time I went in there,
30:03
Speaker 3: and the proverbial feeling of being watched. As time went on,
30:08
Speaker 3: I became convinced that there was something there and it
30:12
Speaker 3: would scare the waitress late at night by telling them
30:16
Speaker 3: that there was a demon in the back room, which
30:18
Speaker 3: would usually cause them to run off screaming. One night,
30:22
Speaker 3: I was telling my cousin, who is a Christian evangelical pastor,
30:26
Speaker 3: about this, and he recommended that I opened the door
30:29
Speaker 3: and say I cast you out in the name of Jesus,
30:32
Speaker 3: and also make the side of the cross. If you're
30:36
Speaker 3: casting something out in the name of Jesus, side of
30:38
Speaker 3: the cross helps you, you know, complete.
30:41
Speaker 1: That magic rituals. You've got the motion and you've got
30:44
Speaker 1: the name.
30:45
Speaker 4: So whenever I used to cleanse my house, if I
30:48
Speaker 4: whenever I did the smoke, I always did it in
30:49
Speaker 4: the cross.
30:51
Speaker 1: There you go, it's something to charge your charging the schitul.
30:56
Speaker 2: Oh, it's making a statement too, I think in a sense, and.
31:03
Speaker 1: Now I'm not a Christian.
31:04
Speaker 3: However, one particular night, at about three of them learning,
31:07
Speaker 3: I was alone in the restaurant, no.
31:09
Speaker 1: Customers, no employees, and I decided.
31:11
Speaker 3: That I was going to give this a try, and
31:14
Speaker 3: at this part that I always feel no one will
31:17
Speaker 3: possibly believe. I made my way into the back room
31:20
Speaker 3: and opened the door, and from the entryway I pointed
31:23
Speaker 3: into the room and said, I cast you out in
31:25
Speaker 3: the name of Jesus. At that exact moment, I felt
31:29
Speaker 3: something pass in front of me as fast as lightning
31:32
Speaker 3: and traveled down the hallway into the restaurant. I can't
31:35
Speaker 3: even describe what it was, but it was so quick
31:38
Speaker 3: and so intense that it caught me completely off guard.
31:41
Speaker 3: I literally jumped from shot At that exact moment when
31:45
Speaker 3: it passed in front of the radio, the radio turned
31:48
Speaker 3: itself on a very loud volume, and the song that
31:51
Speaker 3: was playing said the Bible says, it's an eye front eye.
31:55
Speaker 3: That's how you're gonna live, That's how you're gonna die.
31:58
Speaker 3: Needless to say, it was terrifying, but I couldn't go anywhere,
32:02
Speaker 3: so I simply walked up and turned off the radio
32:06
Speaker 3: uneasily finished the rest of my shift, keeping my eye
32:09
Speaker 3: on the restaurant looking for what I did don't know.
32:13
Speaker 3: The next day when I went back into the storage
32:15
Speaker 3: room and it was noticeably brighter than it was before.
32:19
Speaker 3: For the first time, I noticed that the room was
32:21
Speaker 3: so shoddily put together that you could actually see the
32:25
Speaker 3: light coming from outside through the crooked planks of wood
32:29
Speaker 3: that made up the walls, which begged the question why
32:32
Speaker 3: was it so dark in there if every day the
32:35
Speaker 3: same amount of light was getting in from the outside.
32:39
Speaker 3: And now I would like to get your opinions YouTube
32:43
Speaker 3: Nick on something in particular, Why would a statement that
32:47
Speaker 3: mentions God that I don't even believe in and might
32:51
Speaker 3: not even exist, actually have power and chase out whatever
32:55
Speaker 3: it was that was in there? This is simply an
32:58
Speaker 3: Engergore effect. Have we collective have we collectively, through e
33:04
Speaker 3: odds of belief this being actually created it? Or does
33:08
Speaker 3: it now exist thanks to our collective consciousness? Or is
33:11
Speaker 3: this simply my intent being expressed and would it have
33:15
Speaker 3: exercised it?
33:16
Speaker 1: No matter what?
33:17
Speaker 3: Gone anyway, that's my experience and if you're interested in
33:23
Speaker 3: using it, I'd love to see it in the mail bag.
33:26
Speaker 1: Thanks Headless and nick job A.
33:29
Speaker 4: What do you think of that one fucking wild story?
33:33
Speaker 4: The things he was saying at the end, I mean,
33:35
Speaker 4: I hate to say it. I think a lot of
33:37
Speaker 4: his intention I think could do it. But I would
33:40
Speaker 4: even go back to like what he was saying and
33:42
Speaker 4: like things becoming an eggregor.
33:44
Speaker 2: I would even.
33:44
Speaker 4: Say, just maybe the the value behind the word being
33:48
Speaker 4: expressed could literally be enough.
33:52
Speaker 1: These words are formulas.
33:55
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, that's the best way to put it, the
33:57
Speaker 4: words of formulas. You could be using it to be
34:00
Speaker 4: magical formula and you don't even know it.
34:02
Speaker 1: Right, What does it say in the Bible?
34:03
Speaker 3: Again, if you take the Bible as a magical textbook,
34:07
Speaker 3: what was Adam's power in the garden to beetle? What
34:10
Speaker 3: was he doing? He was dating all of the animals,
34:13
Speaker 3: because when you have their secret name, you have power
34:16
Speaker 3: over them. That's why it's like anybody who reads it
34:19
Speaker 3: today is thinking, what difference does it make if you
34:22
Speaker 3: call the animal Steve or John? Why are you nabling
34:25
Speaker 3: all these things? What difference does that make? It's not
34:28
Speaker 3: for you to understand, you're in a different culture. He
34:31
Speaker 3: was naming them and having control over them.
34:33
Speaker 1: That's the idea.
34:37
Speaker 2: I've even thought about that before.
34:38
Speaker 4: It's like when you take a name, I don't know,
34:43
Speaker 4: that's like giving people a way to get your attention
34:46
Speaker 4: to make you do things now, Like it is almost
34:49
Speaker 4: like self programming you, I think, is like this gets
34:51
Speaker 4: my attention.
34:53
Speaker 2: It's it's weird. I see what you're saying with it.
34:55
Speaker 2: I've thought about this before too much.
34:58
Speaker 1: Big Oh yeah.
34:58
Speaker 3: When we had Tobyan he was talking about semiotics. And
35:02
Speaker 3: that's the idea, is that this meeting is a precursor
35:06
Speaker 3: to the words you're using, and so it's tapping into
35:09
Speaker 3: something much deeper, and your ability to speak at your
35:12
Speaker 3: ability to draw it all these other methods is not
35:16
Speaker 3: a guarantee that it will be felt and understood. But
35:21
Speaker 3: with there is that preconceived notion beforehand that you share
35:26
Speaker 3: this lexicon of understanding with everybody else. You're inside their
35:30
Speaker 3: heads in the words that you're using right now.
35:35
Speaker 4: It was interesting when he had said something about like, oh,
35:38
Speaker 4: you know, I wouldn't wipe waste Magic's time with trying
35:40
Speaker 4: to turn the light on it. I'm like thinking in
35:42
Speaker 4: my head, I'm like you could be like all right, hey,
35:44
Speaker 4: headless can you turn the light off for me.
35:45
Speaker 2: If you get up and turn the light off for me, I.
35:47
Speaker 4: Was an act of magic. I got you you put
35:49
Speaker 4: the light off on me. I didn't have to get
35:50
Speaker 4: up and use semiotics for.
35:52
Speaker 3: It, right, But it takes a coherent definition of magic,
35:58
Speaker 3: which I don't. I don't think there ever will be
36:00
Speaker 3: a coherent definition. What I got that encompasses all fields
36:05
Speaker 3: of magic and unfortunately all of reality as well, is
36:09
Speaker 3: that magic is an illusion used to influence reality.
36:16
Speaker 1: The words you use, they're an illusion, They're not.
36:20
Speaker 3: The words aren't necessarily the thing that you're referencing. You know,
36:23
Speaker 3: the medium is different from what you're talking about.
36:27
Speaker 4: It was even another thing I wanted to even get
36:29
Speaker 4: into too, but I don't want to, you know, take
36:31
Speaker 4: it too far. It's like that also, like the reason
36:34
Speaker 4: this ship works is because the other person even understands
36:36
Speaker 4: what you're saying. If I said that to somebody who
36:40
Speaker 4: didn't speak English, we can just keep walking, okay, have
36:42
Speaker 4: a good day. If I say it to somebody who
36:45
Speaker 4: understands English, they'll turn on the life.
36:46
Speaker 2: What you mean?
36:48
Speaker 1: Now, think about this? What about affect vibe?
36:51
Speaker 3: You walk into a room, you already feel that the
36:55
Speaker 3: vibe is.
36:55
Speaker 4: Off, right, And I'm sure people know everybody's experience that ship.
37:01
Speaker 4: Don't tell me you haven't. People doesn't have experienced that.
37:03
Speaker 4: People have experienced someone staring at me, big.
37:07
Speaker 1: Go changes the vibe.
37:10
Speaker 3: So what's happening there is maybe you're tapping into these
37:14
Speaker 3: predecessors of the communication that we're using. Now, if you
37:19
Speaker 3: think about a pre verbal communication in society, watch the birds, right,
37:25
Speaker 3: do the birds speak a.
37:29
Speaker 1: Squirrel? They do, obviously they do.
37:34
Speaker 2: Oh well, yeah, because they do interact with them. Yeah, right,
37:37
Speaker 2: what he's saying.
37:37
Speaker 3: He's they're speaking squirrel. Well, what happens when the squirrel
37:41
Speaker 3: sees a hawk, he starts barking immediately, and those birds
37:45
Speaker 3: start listening to those barks, and they get out of
37:48
Speaker 3: the way of the hawk. You know, they're they're pulled
37:52
Speaker 3: out into the end of the branches get away from
37:54
Speaker 3: the threat. Well, these squirrels have understood that what they
38:00
Speaker 3: start barking, the birds bugger off because they think that
38:04
Speaker 3: there's a hawk. So if they see the birds eating seeds,
38:08
Speaker 3: they'll start barking to get those seeds.
38:11
Speaker 2: That's so they even know how to manipulate exactly.
38:16
Speaker 1: Everything's manipulating everything else in nature.
38:18
Speaker 4: Oh, you just said your cat. This is one of
38:21
Speaker 4: the biggest manipulators out there is a fucking cat.
38:24
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, they speak the language.
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Speaker 2: Yo. Do you know that when cats take ships?
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Speaker 4: I swear to God, they release This is how evil
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Speaker 4: fucking cats are. They release pheromones that actually make you
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Speaker 4: love them as you're cleaning up their ship.
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Speaker 2: They're fucking magine their magis magas is man.
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Speaker 1: These fucking cats, well, they get parasites.
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Speaker 3: Like the parasites on them cause you to lose your
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Speaker 3: inhibition and make you more attractive to women.
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Speaker 2: It's weird, that's wrong, right, ladies.
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Speaker 1: By the way, I gotta cat.
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Speaker 2: Every time I clean it shit up, it makes me
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Speaker 2: love it more. Crazy.
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Speaker 1: That was fun. Well, that was a great mail bag.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, enjoining us, Uh, next week we're gonna get I'm
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Speaker 3: definitely gonna use the heck sides of the Pennsylvania Dutch.
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Speaker 1: So if you want to come back.
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Speaker 2: For that one, nice, nice.
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Speaker 3: But also next week it's gonna be a story that
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Speaker 3: was shared to us from JJ. So if he's gotten
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Speaker 3: competition for the time slot, maybe we can go seven thirty,
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Speaker 3: he can go eight.
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Speaker 4: But yeah, I think he might go with nine, so
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Speaker 4: we might be good. I got to ask him. I
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Speaker 4: don't want to compete with him either.
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Speaker 3: I think it'd be great to have like a lead
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Speaker 3: into his show. I'd be like, hey, and if you
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Speaker 3: guys with us.
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Speaker 4: I was actually yeah, I was actually thinking that. I
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Speaker 4: was like, maybe I've got to ask him. I'm like,
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Speaker 4: maybe we can actually do it to where it's like
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Speaker 4: almost right before his show where you were like, oh,
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Speaker 4: JJ's got his going on after this, I was thinking, right, yeah,
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Speaker 4: that might work out.
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Speaker 2: I got to talk to him.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that'll be good. But thank you for joining.
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Speaker 3: Us absolutely, and uh, come back and check me out
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Speaker 3: on Sunday. We've got the trialogues. Hopefully Ethan is ready
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Speaker 3: to go, but if not, it's going to be me
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Speaker 3: and Ricardo, So make it happy, man. Yeah, keep your thoughts.
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Speaker 3: He's uh, he's going through a really rough time right now.
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Speaker 3: So uh just uh, you know, maybe say a prayer,
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Speaker 3: prayer for him, say a spell, expel a demon for him.
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Speaker 1: I think you appreciate that.
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Speaker 3: If you get out there and expel one demon for him,
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Speaker 3: I'm sure that'll cheer him up.
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Speaker 1: Thank you guys for coming, and we'll see you again
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Speaker 1: next time,