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Ross Fulton Analysis: Ohio State Offensive Game Plan Vs. Tennessee · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to buck Eyes tomorrow morning for Tuesday, December seventeenth.
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  Speaker 3: All right, So this is.
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  Speaker 1: Going to be a little different than a lot of
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  Speaker 1: our typical raw shows. We're not going to be breaking
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  Speaker 1: down a bunch of video on this one. This is
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  Speaker 1: more of kind of a high level look at the
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  Speaker 1: Tennessee defense. Tony Gerdaman and I have done a rewatch
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  Speaker 1: on four of the games that Tennessee played this year's
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  Speaker 1: for their biggest games, so we've got a pretty good
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  Speaker 1: sense for personnel and just how different guys do in
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  Speaker 1: different situations. Today, I want to take a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more of a schematic look at the Tennessee defense. So Ross,
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  Speaker 1: let's start just let's to start real high level here.
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  Speaker 1: Tim Banks defensive coordinator for Tennessee. Obviously a very respected
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  Speaker 1: and very effective coach. What's his background, what does he
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  Speaker 1: like to do?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he was prior to Tennessee, he was the
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  Speaker 2: co defensive coordinator I believe was his official title at
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  Speaker 2: Penn State. He was there with Brett Prye, and so
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  Speaker 2: you see a lot of that those Penn State roots
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  Speaker 2: that are going to be familiar to a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: And obviously Ryan Day has had a lot of experience
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  Speaker 2: going against the framework in the Penn State scheme through
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  Speaker 2: different coordinators. But you know Brett Proud principally it's a
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  Speaker 2: four down front. You will see Tennessee mixing occasionally an
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  Speaker 2: off front, but really four down. They want to play
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  Speaker 2: a lot of single high coverage. I think that I
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  Speaker 2: would say that that's sort of what they major in.
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  Speaker 2: So you'll see both cover one and Cover three match
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  Speaker 2: which we've talked about. You know where it's you're playing
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  Speaker 2: Cover three, but you're you're covering a lot of routes
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  Speaker 2: within your zone, and so it looks very similar to
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  Speaker 2: Cover one. It's a pretty aggressive Cover three. They will
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  Speaker 2: mix in some you know quarter quarter half which we've
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  Speaker 2: talked about, you know, cover four to one side, cover
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  Speaker 2: two to the short side, or cover four.
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  Speaker 3: But I would say like they're they're more.
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  Speaker 2: Basic in doing those kind of split safety looks because
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  Speaker 2: it's not like their bread and butter. You know, it's
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  Speaker 2: more of a change up for them. So it's a
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  Speaker 2: lot more of like sort of zone it off. We've
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  Speaker 2: talked about that in the context of gymnals in Ohio state.
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  Speaker 2: But so as I said, like, I think the default
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  Speaker 2: is get that seventh eighth guy in the box, place
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  Speaker 2: single gap everything out play you know, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: single high. I think they, you know, will do that
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  Speaker 2: to their benefit or detriment. I think you know, I
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  Speaker 2: know you and Tony have brooken down the Georgia game.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's an example where it really hurt them.
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  Speaker 2: They wanted to be super aggressive on Georgia and play
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  Speaker 2: get a lot of single high, and I think they
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  Speaker 2: got hurt in the passing game, you know, with a
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  Speaker 2: lot of play action targeting, you know, Georgia target their
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  Speaker 2: tight end. I think we can talk about that, but
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  Speaker 2: it has some implications for particularly like the use of
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  Speaker 2: a Mecca buca.
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  Speaker 1: And when you face a team like that. I mean
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  Speaker 1: they talked on a bunch of the broadcast, multiple of
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  Speaker 1: the broadcasts, how Tennessee loves to just put their corners
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  Speaker 1: out on an island and just you know, like you said,
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  Speaker 1: get a bunch of guys in the box. You wonder
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  Speaker 1: if that game plan changes. How easy is it if
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of your base and that's your bread and butter.
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  Speaker 1: How easy and how comfortable are coaches with saying, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's great against Vanderbilt, or that's great against Kentucky. But
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  Speaker 1: when you're playing the Ohio State wide receiver Corps, which
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  Speaker 1: is probably better than any royde receiver corps they've played
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  Speaker 1: this year. I mean they've played talented teams. Alabama has
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  Speaker 1: talented wide receivers Ryan Williams in particular, and Georgia has
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  Speaker 1: Jordia has big name wide receivers who sometimes catch the football.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, how is it how comfortable our coaches
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  Speaker 1: generally with getting away from something like that that they
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  Speaker 1: want to do. Is that something that you're expecting to
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  Speaker 1: see and now for something completely different, or is this
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  Speaker 1: going to be Tennessee may do this and see if
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  Speaker 1: Ohio states wide receivers can beat them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's easier said than done. I think
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  Speaker 2: for the reasons I just laid out. There's only so
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  Speaker 2: much practice time available, and you kind of more who
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  Speaker 2: you are. There's obviously, like you know, edges to that.
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  Speaker 2: But as I said, like when you see Tennessee and
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  Speaker 2: like they do mix in variety, right, So I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to give the impression that they don't and everything's
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  Speaker 2: just like cover on every play, But it's as I said,
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  Speaker 2: it's a little bit more basic when they run it.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're you know, you get kind of a
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  Speaker 2: couple concepts, so like, you know, just compare it to Michigan,
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  Speaker 2: for instance, who has been through like the McDonald mentor
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  Speaker 2: Wink Mardale years, like a lot of different types of
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  Speaker 2: split safety concepts. You know, like they mix in a
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  Speaker 2: lot of that trap too and things like that. Like
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  Speaker 2: I don't think, you know, Tennessee just has that volume
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  Speaker 2: of split safety stuff so that when you do get it,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you're going to be somewhat basic and how
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  Speaker 2: you do it, and it just again kind of goes
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  Speaker 2: against you know, you have to Yes, you see what
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  Speaker 2: works on film, but like you have to make it
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  Speaker 2: work within what you do.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So, like I know, you know Brent walk Rawlins, who's
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  Speaker 2: like a great Georgia x's and o's guy, you know,
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  Speaker 2: discussing with him, you know, he said that when they
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  Speaker 2: played Georgia, for instance, he was pretty shocked by how
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  Speaker 2: much single high eight man boxes Tennessee gave them because
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  Speaker 2: the week before that, Georgia really struggled against Old miss
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  Speaker 2: playing a lot of like soft cover two and split
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  Speaker 2: safety zones and he expected a lot of that from
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  Speaker 2: Tennessee and they didn't do that.
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  Speaker 3: Now, you know, maybe they've learned and.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe they'll they'll try to take a page from the
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  Speaker 2: Michigan playboo, but I would just expect it to be
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  Speaker 2: you know, this is the same thing applies to Penn State, right,
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  Speaker 2: Like who's played Ohio State every year?
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  Speaker 3: And yes you get some cover two mixed in there.
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  Speaker 2: And again, like there's different narrations of Penn State coaches,
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  Speaker 2: but I think you can say they've had a general
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  Speaker 2: framework since James Franklin's been there on defense, But you know,
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  Speaker 2: you still get, particularly like on standard downs, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of Cover three mix with Cover one, and because it's
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  Speaker 2: just it's just their framework, right, and so there's different
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  Speaker 2: things you can do in single high obviously, but I
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  Speaker 2: just think you can only change your stripe so much,
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  Speaker 2: all right.
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  Speaker 1: So let's say Ohio State gets a bunch of Cover
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  Speaker 1: three mixed with Cover one and standard down. So what
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  Speaker 1: what is offensive coordinator Ross Bolton going to do if
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  Speaker 1: he thinks that that's what he's going to get.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to throw the football early and often.
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  Speaker 2: I think, you know, obviously no one wants to see
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  Speaker 2: a replay of what Ohio State did against Michigan, and
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  Speaker 2: I think obviously it's a little different, right because as
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  Speaker 2: we talked about after that game, Ryan danhib Kelly like
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  Speaker 2: sort of their overall framework is like, if you're getting
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  Speaker 2: too high coverages, you're going to try to run the
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  Speaker 2: football against that because you should have decent numbers. And
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  Speaker 2: obviously that was not working against Michigan because they just
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  Speaker 2: couldn't block it the so single high you're much more
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  Speaker 2: apt to throw. I also think that Will Howard has
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  Speaker 2: been better against single high coverages just in terms of
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  Speaker 2: diagnosing than sort of picking out some of the intricacies
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  Speaker 2: of what he's been seeing with split safeties particular teams. Again,
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  Speaker 2: as I said that that mix in a lot of
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  Speaker 2: variety there and how they run you know, two high safeties.
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  Speaker 3: Or cover four. So I think that's my first thing.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I think you got to do a lot
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  Speaker 2: of quick game, a lot of RPOs like it depends
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  Speaker 2: again how Tennessee's playing their single highs and you know,
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  Speaker 2: you said leaving on islands on you know, leaving corners
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  Speaker 2: on an island like a lot of things you will
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  Speaker 2: see that I have been wishing Ohio State would do
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  Speaker 2: for most much of this year is teams like Alabama
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  Speaker 2: and Georgia did this. You know, if they see saw
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  Speaker 2: single coverage out wide, they basically would. It's effectively a relief, right,
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  Speaker 2: It's not even RPO like you're just the quarterbacks pulling
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  Speaker 2: it right away off the run play and throwing a
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  Speaker 2: fade route out wide. You know, would love to see
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  Speaker 2: them do that to Jeremiah Smith obviously if he's single
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  Speaker 2: it up. Conversely, if there's giving you know, to cover three,
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  Speaker 2: they're giving some some cushion, then you want to hit
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  Speaker 2: those like quick kitch and.
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  Speaker 3: Out route RPOs.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: The other thing I would say is if they're doing that,
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  Speaker 2: I really think they need to involve Will Howard more
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  Speaker 2: in the run game, Like it can't just be the
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  Speaker 2: sporadic base zone read with a lead or block to
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  Speaker 2: the tight end, like you know, if you're going to
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  Speaker 2: get single at coverage like they did again Penn State,
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  Speaker 2: run that clause feed option into like someone actually holds
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  Speaker 2: it for under ten yards of carry, Like that would
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  Speaker 2: be nice to see them do that, especially like if
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  Speaker 2: you're singled up to Jeremiah smith side and they're that
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  Speaker 2: corner's following him vertically, like there's not the support, you know,
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  Speaker 2: stuff like they showed earlier this year, as I said,
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  Speaker 2: like run you know, counter run a gap scheme to
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  Speaker 2: Will Howard one way with bash the other way, meaning
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  Speaker 2: like the backs on a you know, a sweep opposite
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  Speaker 2: the blocking. So then you're both you're creating variety. You're
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  Speaker 2: you're giving the linebackers more things to look at, and
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  Speaker 2: then you're also getting the running back outside in space
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  Speaker 2: away from the blocking, you know, like try to get
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  Speaker 2: quinch on Jupkins and Trayvon Henderson some room to work with.
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  Speaker 2: But I think it's got to be a lot of that, right,
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  Speaker 2: Like I think no one could rightly and earn their
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  Speaker 2: right minds think that. Like the good matchup here is
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State's offensive line against Tennessee's defensive line, right, Like
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  Speaker 2: that's the strength of Tennessee's team, I you know, obviously,
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  Speaker 2: like James Pearris gets a lot of focus.
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  Speaker 3: He's really good.
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  Speaker 1: I thought.
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  Speaker 2: I think their defensive tackles are pretty good too, and
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  Speaker 2: they're pretty deep there, you know, So I think it's
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  Speaker 2: got to be a kind of air raid quit a
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  Speaker 2: lot of quick game, like get the ball out of
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  Speaker 2: Will Howard's hands, like if there's if you're getting a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of man like mesh routes, you know those shallow
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  Speaker 2: cross routes, you know, use Jeremiah Smith on underneath stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And then you know, the final thing I would.
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  Speaker 2: Have mentioned is like as I was just saying, like
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  Speaker 2: a lot of a meccha buca, Like, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: think Tennessee's corners, like particularly that the number one guy
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  Speaker 2: is pretty good. Like I think, but I've seen teams
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  Speaker 2: have success against Tennessee, like Alabama, you know, like ran
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  Speaker 2: an arrow route out of the backfield. You know, you
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  Speaker 2: get a running back on a d end or like
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  Speaker 2: a lot of stuff with the slot receiver, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like those wheel routes we showed like to Abuka, you know,
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  Speaker 2: when you're getting him manned up on a safety or
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  Speaker 2: even their nickel, you know, or you know, Tennessee does
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  Speaker 2: like to respond to twelve for sell two tight ends
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  Speaker 2: with the four to three. That should sound familiar, so
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  Speaker 2: you know, use that to your advantage. Get in, get
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  Speaker 2: them in a four to three, take out their slock corner,
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  Speaker 2: and get some advantageous matchups that way.
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  Speaker 3: So it's got to be.
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  Speaker 2: A plan where you are not you know, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: not saying anything revolutionary here, but you're not banging your
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  Speaker 2: head against the wall, and you're you're figuring out the
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  Speaker 2: way to run the football with the getting numbers and
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  Speaker 2: getting the ball in space and getting the ball out.
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  Speaker 3: Of Will Howard's hand quickly, early and often.
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  Speaker 1: So McCoy, who's their their best corner, at least in
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  Speaker 1: my in my mind number three. You mentioned Ricky Gibson,
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  Speaker 1: number one, He's the guy on the opposite side. My
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  Speaker 1: assumption all along has been they probably just have McCoy
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  Speaker 1: followed Jeremiah Smith to a certain degree, Is that what
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  Speaker 1: you're expecting? Do they or you know, or do they
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  Speaker 1: kind of mix and match because it's not like Ohiosted.
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  Speaker 3: Has one guy.
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  Speaker 1: It's not Alabama where it's like just cover Ryan Williams
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  Speaker 1: and they're going to throw in the ball literally nineteen
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  Speaker 1: times in this game. So you know, with a more
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  Speaker 1: diverse passing game that Ohio State has a more diverse
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  Speaker 1: passing game threat that Ohio State has. How do you
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  Speaker 1: see that?
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  Speaker 3: Divide it up?
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  Speaker 1: And is it McCoy's on one side and if you've
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  Speaker 1: got Gibson on him, you maybe need to try And
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  Speaker 1: I mean we've seen plenty of teams try and bracket
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  Speaker 1: Jeremiah Smith all year. Is that how would you defend
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  Speaker 1: that your tendensee.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I haven't seen the teams really play much
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  Speaker 2: single coverage on jeremih Smith the second half of the season.
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  Speaker 3: In general.
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  Speaker 2: I have seen Tennessee like they'll they'll cheat his safety
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  Speaker 2: over to one side or roll him.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Again, I think it's incumbent upon the chip kelling Ryan Day.
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  Speaker 3: They need to do a better job of.
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  Speaker 2: Moving Jeremiah Smith around, and as I said, like not
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  Speaker 2: making him like always the deep option, right, Like you're
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  Speaker 2: going to run the deep route like his averaged out
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  Speaker 2: the targets like over thirteen yards, and it's it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: need to be that way because he's really good after
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  Speaker 2: the cash too, right, So like hit him on hitches,
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  Speaker 2: hit him on those shallow crossing routes, like I thought
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State to use last year as a comparison, like
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  Speaker 2: had some of these same issues with Marvin Harrison earlier
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  Speaker 2: in the season and then did a better job like
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  Speaker 2: using him on like shallow crosses in a variety of
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  Speaker 2: routes in the second half of the year.
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  Speaker 3: And I think they need a similar plan to that.
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  Speaker 2: But then again, like you know, the good news, like
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  Speaker 2: I agree, McCoy is is a very good corner and
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  Speaker 2: that's why you know it's time like move a mecha
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  Speaker 2: book around, put him in the backfield, and use him
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  Speaker 2: on angle routes. Use Tradeon had split trade on Anderson
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  Speaker 2: out wide like they did against Purdue, who showed a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of man coverage obviously, and see how Tennessee responds.
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  Speaker 2: So I think it's sort of one of those It's
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  Speaker 2: one of those games where it's the base stuff isn't
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  Speaker 2: going to be good enough to consistently move the football,
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  Speaker 2: particularly in the run game, and so you can't let
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  Speaker 2: Tennessee take you out of you know, even if you
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  Speaker 2: want to run RPOs, like you can't let them force
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  Speaker 2: the football to be handed off all the time and
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  Speaker 2: like sort of you know, throw your hands up because
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure you're gonna win those matchups inside.
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  Speaker 3: So it's going to take more engineering on.
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  Speaker 2: Chure Kelly's part and Ryan Day's part, as I said,
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  Speaker 2: with a mix of motion shifts, quick game quarterback run game,
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  Speaker 2: designed runs, you know, get the ball outside in space
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  Speaker 2: to your running backs, things of that nature.
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  Speaker 1: You talked just a minute ago about not needing to
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  Speaker 1: throw the ball downfield the Jeremiah Smith every time, not
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  Speaker 1: always having him be the deep guy. Do they need
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  Speaker 1: to have someone else be the deep guy? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you just talked about a whole bunch of stuff, and
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  Speaker 1: I didn't hear you say and throw the ball way
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  Speaker 1: down the field a bunch, So you know, is you know,
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  Speaker 1: is that going to be an important thing if Tennessee's
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  Speaker 1: going to be aggressive to try and just hit him
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  Speaker 1: over the top every once in a while, And if
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  Speaker 1: that's part of the game plan, how much of a
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  Speaker 1: concern is twenty ish degrees and wins gusting up to
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  Speaker 1: twenty five miles an hour with Will Howard's arm.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if the wins like that, then I think
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  Speaker 2: you need to reassess things. I mean, I if that's
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  Speaker 2: the case, you know, both teams are in that box
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. I personally, as I said, like if
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  Speaker 2: to me, if they really want to press up Jeremiah Smith,
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  Speaker 2: then I would like to see Ohio State give Will
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  Speaker 2: Howard the option to basically pull the whatever play is
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  Speaker 2: being run and throw a go route to Jeremi Smith,
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  Speaker 2: as I said, Like Alabama had some success doing that
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  Speaker 2: to Ryan Williams against Tennessee. I actually would like to
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  Speaker 2: see them, in terms of creating explosives attack the middle
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  Speaker 2: of the field to do so, particularly with Abuka, but
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  Speaker 2: even even the tight ends too.
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  Speaker 3: Like as I said, Georgia had a lot of success.
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  Speaker 2: Like there, Carson Back's first touchdown route was a seam
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  Speaker 2: route against Tennessee. Like, you want to look for the
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  Speaker 2: advantageous meshups because they will play aggressively, like Tennessee will
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  Speaker 2: at times get themselves in situations where they have a linebacker,
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  Speaker 2: a running back or even a linebacker on a slot
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  Speaker 2: or tight end.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, we've we've seen it.
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  Speaker 2: Will Howard hit g Scott on a route like that
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  Speaker 2: against Northwestern right over a linebacker, so against Cover two Tampa.
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  Speaker 2: So I think that's to me. I would like to
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  Speaker 2: see them, as I said, sort of reverse script right,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, look use Jeremiah Smith underneath and then
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: look to hit other guys.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: Explosive off explosives where.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: You think you have the advantageous matchup because I do
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: just worry that Tennessee will roll there, even if they're
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: in a single high, will roll their.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: Safety towards Smith when he's pushing them going deep.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: All right, So there you go. We'll see if Ryan
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Day and Jim Kelly were taking notes. If you want
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: to take notes, a great place to do that would
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: be a bucket huddle dot com because we have lots
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: of scheme talk and exes and nose talk on our
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: board just about every day, certainly every week, and that
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: is not that is definitely be the case again this
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: week heading into this game against Tennessee. Boy, there's a
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: lot to talk about, really really interesting matchup of two
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: very talented teams. I'd like to do some different stuff,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: but I mean you've probably heard a lot of familiar
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: stuff there as well, in terms of Tennessee's defense and
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: some of the ideas they have, So you've probably seen
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: that at Ohio State a little bit the last few
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: years as well, So plenty to talk about there. We'll
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: be talking about all that at pucke huddle dot com
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: and of course on our YouTube channel, YouTube dot com
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: slash bucke Huddle will have much more coverage coming for
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: you all week long there, leading up to the kickoff
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: on Saturday night at eight o'clock, we'll have our usual
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: pregame coverage, yes, postgame coverage. Oh boy, will that be
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: a spirited conversation one way or the other Saturday night
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• 17:41
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• 17:53
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• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Thank you guys all for joining us. Have a great day.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: We'll talk to you tomorrow.