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Brewsers #385- CJ Gallows · Brewsers

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Bruisers podcast about beer, coffee, booze and Bruisers.
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  Speaker 1: I am your host Trodi John and today we talked
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  Speaker 1: to CJ. Gallows. We talk about being a second generation superstar,
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  Speaker 1: what his future holds, and so much more. CJ Gallows
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  Speaker 1: is making so many waves on the independent scene. We
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  Speaker 1: all know who his dad is, and he's trying to
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  Speaker 1: make a name for himself. So you don't want to
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  Speaker 1: hear from me, you want to hear from him. So,
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  Speaker 1: without further ado, here is CJ. Gallows. I would like
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  Speaker 1: to welcome to the show. CJ.
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  Speaker 2: Gallows.
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  Speaker 1: How are you doing today, sir.
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  Speaker 2: Good Man, thank you for having me on.
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited, thanks for being here. Yeah, I mean you
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  Speaker 1: are obviously we all know your dad, but you are
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  Speaker 1: just now entering the world or pro wrestling. Uh. Normally
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  Speaker 1: I like to ask what the earliest memory of pro
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  Speaker 1: wrestling is for you? But since you grew up in it,
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  Speaker 1: what was I mean, what was the first time that
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  Speaker 1: you were like, oh, this is not just what my
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  Speaker 1: dad does, but like there's other people who also do this,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, so for.
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  Speaker 2: As long as I can remember, like since I could walk,
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  Speaker 2: there's pictures of me, you know, crawling around in a ring,
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  Speaker 2: walking around in a ring. So I don't have like
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  Speaker 2: a moment because wrestling's just kind of always been there
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  Speaker 2: for me. But I do remember like when I personally
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  Speaker 2: like realized I had a passion for it as well,
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  Speaker 2: and it wasn't like you know, any of the guys
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  Speaker 2: the current. My dad had this large collection of wrestling
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  Speaker 2: dvities from his you know, his fandom as well, right,
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  Speaker 2: and he put on the Hull Cogan DVD. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: I had seen Dad and I had seen his matches
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  Speaker 2: and stuff, but I saw hul Cogan and I heard
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  Speaker 2: the song and I saw that or around him, and
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  Speaker 2: I was like, that's really cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then so you know, I was born in O seven,
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  Speaker 2: so Hogan is way before my time in green career.
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  Speaker 2: But then that's where I started to watch, you know,
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  Speaker 2: more on my own and then develop my own personal
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  Speaker 2: favorites and you know, to find what I liked. But
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  Speaker 2: I remember Haul Cogan being the guy that I was like,
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  Speaker 2: that's really cool and I want to watch more.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I was trying to explain to somebody yesterday, like
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  Speaker 1: obviously everyone knows who Pulk Cogan is. Obviously because he
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  Speaker 1: is people think of wrestling, they think obviously WWF, and
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  Speaker 1: then they also think of hul Cogan. So, like I
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  Speaker 1: was trying to explain to somebody yesterday, like he is
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  Speaker 1: the first pro wrestler, and I'm not gonna say only
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  Speaker 1: because I haven't looked back on it, but he was
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  Speaker 1: the very first pro wrestler to be on the cover
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  Speaker 1: of Sports Illustrated when it was just Olympics, just baseball back,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the regular sports that everybody knows. And then
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  Speaker 1: obviously you know, however, many years later, in ninety six
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  Speaker 1: or in eighty seven, I think it was whenever ninety six,
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  Speaker 1: whenever he switched heel for the first time, you know,
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  Speaker 1: since he was fucking Hule Cogan, and like the amount
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  Speaker 1: of crazy buzz that did just for pro wrestling in general,
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  Speaker 1: if you weren't a fan, you wouldn't understand that. Like
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  Speaker 1: this dude, let's say we'll start at eighty two, was
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  Speaker 1: like the number one good guy forever, and then you know,
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  Speaker 1: ninety six comes along and all of a sudden, he's
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  Speaker 1: a bad guy. Like what what is happening?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, you know, I know he's had
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  Speaker 2: his people have their own personal opinions about him, and
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  Speaker 2: that's you know, everybody has their own opinion and that's fine.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, hul Cogan, I believe truly is the
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  Speaker 2: reason that wrestling is where it is today because he
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  Speaker 2: was that first global superstar. He was in a sense,
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  Speaker 2: even though I don't like Jordan, he was Michael Jordan.
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  Speaker 2: He put it in you don't like Jordan, I'm a
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  Speaker 2: big Lebron guy.
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  Speaker 1: That makes more sense.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, it's my era. I think it's an airess thing.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I can appreciate greatness, but I grew up
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  Speaker 2: with Lebron. You know. Guy's a group with Jordan, like Jordan,
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  Speaker 2: but I did not.
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  Speaker 1: So, Okay, an stable. But no, you're right. If it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't for Hogan and if it wasn't for E Vince,
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  Speaker 1: wrestling would not be where it is now. Again, you
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  Speaker 1: have to then put your personal issues aside when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to both those guys. But again, if it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: for those two guys doing what they did, we wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have her wrestling where it is now.
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't think so at all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, so when did it actually kind of kick
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  Speaker 1: in for you? It's like, oh, I actually want to
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  Speaker 1: do this, not just like I love going to matches
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  Speaker 1: with my dad. I love you know, obviously hanging around
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  Speaker 1: with the guys and everything, but like maybe I could
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  Speaker 1: actually do this myself, because you're nineteen right now, I know, right, yeah, nineteen.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, when was it that this was kind of like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let me give this to try.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have like the when I was, I wasn't,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't have another goal. It was kind of always
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  Speaker 2: like it wasn't even when I didn't know I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to do it. I always knew I was going to
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  Speaker 2: right thing. So like I was never I played all
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  Speaker 2: kind of sports growing up, but I never had aspirations,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like some kids would be an NFL player
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  Speaker 2: or go to the MLB or whatever. Like if you
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  Speaker 2: asked me from the time I was eight years old
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  Speaker 2: until I graduated, and you know, I was going to
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  Speaker 2: be a pro wrestler. So that's kind of always what
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  Speaker 2: it was. And you know, I had a little dip actually,
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  Speaker 2: and like you know, middle school, high school, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you're worried about other things, sports, girls, whatever it is,
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  Speaker 2: and wrestling is kind of in the back of your mind.
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  Speaker 2: But I was always a fan and I always knew
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  Speaker 2: like that was what I was gonna do, and it
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  Speaker 2: just kind of is what it was. So I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: like at a certain time, but I think if you
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  Speaker 2: asked my dad from my earliest memories, like you know,
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  Speaker 2: when I was six years old, I said I was
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  Speaker 2: gonna be a pro wrestler, right, I kind of had
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  Speaker 2: like a tunnel vision and I didn't allow for any
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  Speaker 2: other things to I didn't explore any other opportunities. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't look in any other things. I was like, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to be a wrestler. That's what it is. There.
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  Speaker 1: You are who are some people that when you were
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  Speaker 1: obviously growing up that you saw on the TV or
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  Speaker 1: maybe even in live in person, you were like, I
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  Speaker 1: like what they do here, and you're kind of mentally
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  Speaker 1: kind of taking things and like when I'm a wrestler,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to do this, or when I I'm wrestler,
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  Speaker 1: I'm this is the moves that I want.
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  Speaker 2: So my all time favorite will always have to go.
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  Speaker 2: Edge was my guy nice Is and was it's my
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  Speaker 2: favorite wrestler of all the time. He was a guy
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  Speaker 2: Edge and then so I don't know if you're too
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  Speaker 2: familiar with me, personally, but obviously Dad's a little bit
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  Speaker 2: bigger than me, a good little bit. Yeah, And so
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  Speaker 2: you know, growing up, I thought I was gonna be
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  Speaker 2: Dad size, but that was more athletic. So I watched
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  Speaker 2: Mike Assam a lot because I thought that size doing
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  Speaker 2: the things he did, like he kind of revolutionized the
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  Speaker 2: modern big man in my personal opinion. So that was
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  Speaker 2: a guy I really liked and I really watched a lot.
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  Speaker 2: But as far as like when I started getting in
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  Speaker 2: the ring and like watching guys like studying Edge of
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  Speaker 2: course a lot. Randy Orton I think is a great
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  Speaker 2: one for any young guys to start.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like you make everything so crisp.
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  Speaker 2: So I think those two guys would be My biggest
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  Speaker 2: influence is in the ring right now. And obviously I
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  Speaker 2: like watching I go back and watch a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the Japanese off because so there's so much it's an
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  Speaker 2: untapped resource for a lot of guys in the States
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  Speaker 2: of like these moves. They're so innovative and so advanced
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  Speaker 2: as far as like what we're doing here and they're
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  Speaker 2: doing there, And that's I think that like that the
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  Speaker 2: early two thousands were the all those guys TNA Ro Oh,
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  Speaker 2: they're taking a lot of that stuff from that Japanese style,
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  Speaker 2: right and bringing it over to America. And I looked
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  Speaker 2: for I look at a lot into the Japanese stuff
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  Speaker 2: as well for my influences as far as you know,
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  Speaker 2: moves and stuff, but American guys, more known guys Randy
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  Speaker 2: and Edge.
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  Speaker 1: Makes sense. Yeah, I've been watching, you know, I don't
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  Speaker 1: I have the time to sit down and watch all
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  Speaker 1: the g one climax right now, so luckily New Japan's actually,
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  Speaker 1: but like kind of a highlights of every night or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: and so I've been watching that and yeah, I was
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  Speaker 1: watching it earlier today and I was like, Wow, there's
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  Speaker 1: definitely like you're saying, there's some move sets that I'm
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  Speaker 1: not seeing over here yet, but I'm loving over there.
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  Speaker 1: So I know it's not going to be too much longer,
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  Speaker 1: considering we're all connected so so easily right now, that
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  Speaker 1: it's going to come over here within the next probably
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  Speaker 1: this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, so okay, I'm trying to think how to word this.
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  Speaker 1: So you, like you said, you have been doing the mood.
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  Speaker 1: How tall are you right now?
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  Speaker 2: Ah? In boots are fly flooded?
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  Speaker 1: Let's say boots in boots.
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  Speaker 2: I'm right around six to four, okay.
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  Speaker 1: And then yeah, you I saw you doing a moo
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  Speaker 1: salt the other day, and like you said, you are
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  Speaker 1: doing trying to, you know, do kind of what the
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  Speaker 1: big man stuff is where I mean, I imagine you
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  Speaker 1: might get a couple in just taller tops, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: you still got to figure out what moveset is going
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  Speaker 1: to work for you when it comes to trying to
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  Speaker 1: be the fluidity of the big guy, but also like
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  Speaker 1: the high flying big guy, are there some other moves
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  Speaker 1: that you have been maybe practicing but haven't pulled him
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  Speaker 1: out yet. I'm not asking you to do a four
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  Speaker 1: or fifty or anything or phoenix fi.
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  Speaker 2: I did one okay in practice, But do you know
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  Speaker 2: what a scorpion is?
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  Speaker 1: I think so I scorpion bad and it heard.
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  Speaker 2: I ended up almost kicking the back of my own head.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I know I can do it. If I can
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  Speaker 2: over rotate it, I can. I can do it fine,
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  Speaker 2: because that means it's the it's the fear of it.
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  Speaker 2: There is one move. I've talked about this on my
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  Speaker 2: own podcast, but I'm sure you've seen this stuff with
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  Speaker 2: me and Avery styles second, I saw him to the
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  Speaker 2: spiral tab and I was like, all right, let me
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  Speaker 2: try it. So I pulled on the crash pad and
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  Speaker 2: I did it a little jankye, but I did do it,
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  Speaker 2: and I said, I'm not going to do that in
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  Speaker 2: the match. Okay, just because I did it was kind
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  Speaker 2: of an ego thing. And maybe with a few more
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  Speaker 2: reps and you know, run through it a few more times,
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  Speaker 2: I'll get there. But as of right now, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: going to do it in a match because the landing
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  Speaker 2: on that. I give Avery and aj all the props
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  Speaker 2: in the world because that's because you can't see where
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  Speaker 2: you're going.
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  Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, when did you first meet Avery?
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  Speaker 2: It's it's so funny. Everybody's assumes we kind of grew
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  Speaker 2: up together, but we really didn't.
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  Speaker 1: You grew up in what Georgia and he grew up
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  Speaker 1: in North Carolina, right, No.
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  Speaker 2: He's a Georgia guy too. We're just far apart. Okay, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's Gainesville area. I'm about forty five minutes south of Atlanta.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I had met Avery obviously throughout growing up. I know
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  Speaker 2: him and I spent a weekend together probably seven years
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  Speaker 2: ago when dad was in AJ were on the bus
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  Speaker 2: together and we both stayed. We went on a loop
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  Speaker 2: with them on the bus, so we got to spend
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  Speaker 2: some time together there. But other than that, like that
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  Speaker 2: was like our only real like interaction I can remember.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure we've seen each other at shows and stuff beforehand,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, we got we kind of we hit each
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  Speaker 2: other up on Instagram because we heard we were going
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  Speaker 2: to be doing stuff together, and uh, we have a great,
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  Speaker 2: great chemistry in the ring. I think we flow together
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  Speaker 2: really well. So I'm really looking forward to keeping going
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  Speaker 2: with that and getting some more moves under our matches
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  Speaker 2: under our belt together.
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  Speaker 1: Do you see obviously you know you're as much as
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  Speaker 1: your dad was a great tag team wrestler and still
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  Speaker 1: is a great tag team wrestler. They you know, they
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  Speaker 1: probably kind of shoeing Horry. They get you in there
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  Speaker 1: as well, saying hey, you know, he's probably going to
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  Speaker 1: be in the tag team as well, especially now that
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  Speaker 1: you've tagged with AJ and obviously their connection. But then
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  Speaker 1: you know, Carl's kids aren't old enough right now, I
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  Speaker 1: think to even wrestle, so that would you know, people
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  Speaker 1: are like, oh, well, then yeah, there'll be like a
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  Speaker 1: new next Generation Bullet Club or maybe even call them
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  Speaker 1: the good Sons or whatever it is going to be.
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  Speaker 1: But like, what do you see a tag team with
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  Speaker 1: you guys going together? You would you like to make
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  Speaker 1: it as a singles wrestler.
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  Speaker 2: I always wanted to be a singles guy. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: closed minded anything right, right, but my goal and what
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  Speaker 2: before Avery and I had tagged together. I do all
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  Speaker 2: singles locally and on all my shows. You know, Dad
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  Speaker 2: and I have done Dad and Chad or sorry Carl
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  Speaker 2: and I have a couple of times. But yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: want to be a singles guy. I love tag team wrestling,
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  Speaker 2: always have and obviously that's dad's Dad's thing, but I
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  Speaker 2: I always me personally in ring. I enjoy singles matches
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  Speaker 2: more than tag matches. But I have heard the buzz
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  Speaker 2: on I know people are all wanting to see this
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  Speaker 2: next Generation Bullet Club, but you know, for me, it's
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  Speaker 2: it's all about that's cool and all, and I would
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  Speaker 2: love to do something and tip my cap to them
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  Speaker 2: and give them a little nod. But I think a
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  Speaker 2: big thing in professional wrestling, if you want to find success,
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  Speaker 2: you have to find originality, especially as a second generation guy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and so if you're just kind of doing the whole
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  Speaker 2: you know a way, but the book clubs, that's what
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  Speaker 2: we're doing thing. It's cool for the nostalgia pop because
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  Speaker 2: you know that people hear that music hit and you're
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  Speaker 2: wearing the black and white, you're wearing a T shirt
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  Speaker 2: or whatever. But I think when you really catch your
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  Speaker 2: stride is when you start finding yourself in the ring
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  Speaker 2: more than just kind of being like a copy and
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  Speaker 2: paste version of someone that came before you. So that's
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  Speaker 2: where I'm at in my career right now, is trying
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  Speaker 2: to develop my character on top of being you know
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  Speaker 2: who I am Son.
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  Speaker 1: So it is always like the new whatever doesn't work
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  Speaker 1: because it's the new, it's not the original, and so
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  Speaker 1: you doing it again is not going to work as
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  Speaker 1: even though like you know, you and AJ's kid. You know,
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  Speaker 1: not that your dad and AJ never really teamed together
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  Speaker 1: or anything, but they weren't known as like the big
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  Speaker 1: tag team. So yeah, you know again, you guys are
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  Speaker 1: trying to do something different, which is great. You always
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  Speaker 1: need to have something different when it comes to our wrestling,
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  Speaker 1: and obviously, as you've seen with Jericho over the years,
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  Speaker 1: you have to reinvent yourself on a regular basis too,
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  Speaker 1: so that way people aren't getting like, oh, it's this
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  Speaker 1: guy again. They always doing the same stuff he was
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  Speaker 1: doing however many years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of like I don't know if you watched Dark Side,
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  Speaker 2: but that one on Renigally, they bring him in, they
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  Speaker 2: try to make him the Ultimate Warrior.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you.
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  Speaker 2: Saw how the crowd reacted when it was the Ultimate Warrior.
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  Speaker 2: And that's something that really kind of stuck out to
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  Speaker 2: me because you know, I've been hearing all this stuff
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  Speaker 2: about this bullet club thing and all that, and it's
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  Speaker 2: not really what I had in mind, but obviously I'm
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  Speaker 2: just riding the wave right right, And I saw that
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, man, like, if it's not done perfectly,
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  Speaker 2: people don't care and they don't want to see it
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  Speaker 2: because you know, the original one was so good. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and you know will have the same effect on the
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  Speaker 2: people that it did, you know, twelve years ago or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And that's just where you got to find. I think
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  Speaker 2: you can obviously take things from that have been done.
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  Speaker 2: That's what wrestling has. Everything's been done, of course, but
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  Speaker 2: you got to put your own twist on it. And
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  Speaker 2: I find some originality.
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  Speaker 1: I think, oh, without a doubt. Yeah, it's always finding
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  Speaker 1: what worked for you and then like you said, putting
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  Speaker 1: a little twist on to where it is yours as
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  Speaker 1: opposed to oh, they're also doing the same move. Well,
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  Speaker 1: so what is it when you were growing up in
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  Speaker 1: the business like that really kind of attracted you because
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  Speaker 1: there are so many aspects to it. There's obviously the
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  Speaker 1: school aspect, which I know your dad owns a school.
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  Speaker 1: There's the promoting, which he's done as well. There's you know,
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  Speaker 1: all the stuff that happens behind the scenes or ring
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  Speaker 1: announcing or commentating or whatever it is. But obviously the
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  Speaker 1: in ring work is really where you're going to be
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  Speaker 1: shining right now, where there are other aspects of the
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  Speaker 1: business that you really were kind of that you really
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  Speaker 1: are enjoying, but also you're still trying to figure out
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  Speaker 1: everything else along the way as well.
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think it's pretty well documented that on
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: top of his in rings, Dad has had you know,
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: his fair share of local independent promotions throughout the years,
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: and I've gotten to be very hands on with you know,
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: putting the card together and kind of help an agent
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: and you know, making everything work behind the scenes and
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: then going out there and being on the show in
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: front of the people. So it's something I really enjoy,
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: you know, him and I sitting down and you know,
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: you've got a list of twenty names and we're like,
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: all right, how can we make this the best show possible?
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: And you know you're figuring out because there's so many
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: If you've never ran independent wrestling, you couldn't you wouldn't
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: really understand. There's so many things that are gonna go wrong.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: You want it to, but it never does. And then
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: and then show day hits and you know whatever, the
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: boards aren't there. You know, we don't have a steps,
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: and we don't have a bell, and someone forgot their
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: belt at home or whatever it may be. But I
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: kind of enjoy that, like you get to do the
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: behind the scenes to make the show happen, because when
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: it all comes together, which usually it always does, thankfully,
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: from when it comes together, it means a little bit
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: more and it's special because you know you helped it.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: And then obviously going out there and performing is the
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: best thing ever, of course, but that behind the scenes stuff,
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: it's that that really attracted me because before I was
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: even in the ring, I started managing I was a
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: manager at nine years old. I started managing at nine
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: at nine and did that for a couple of years
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: on top of helping put the shows together, and then
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: eventually graduating high school and getting into the training more.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: And obviously now I'm doing you know, the wrestling side,
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: but I enjoy all aspects of it, honestly.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there is definitely something special about show day. And then,
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: like you said, I always think if the show goes
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: perfectly right the whole day, something's gonna bound to happen
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: at the end because there's always like minor things that
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: people have no idea even happened, or we're going to happen,
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: or you know, talent falls through or travel or you know,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: the ring breaks or the entrance is being held up
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: basically by you know, chewing gum and duct tapes stuff
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: like that. That Again, if you're not if you're not
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes, you have no idea. And so, like
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: you said, once it all does come together and you
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: see those fans like cheering and acpolutely going nuts and
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: just loving ife like that's what you wanted the entire day,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: and then it happens. Yeah, definitely, what is your kind
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: of I mean, since you've been helping along with you know,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: running promotions for a while, what is kind of your
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: if you're like a dream card that you would have
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: like do you are you a fan or do do
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: you subscribe to the it's a buffet you need a
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: little bit of everything or are you kind of more
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: know the matches are really what going to bring people in?
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Or how do you kind of if you're putting a
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: card together? What does kind of a dream situation look
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: like for you?
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Uh? Well, I've learned this from helping run shows. You
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: have to know where you are and you have to
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: know your audience there you go, because if you're in
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: a small town Georgia crowd, you know, they don't care
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: about the twenty minute you know Osprey aw Style match
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: as much. They want to be interacted with and then
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: the comedy gets over huge and having the little people
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: and maybe bring you know, bring out the girls in
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: the They like that stuff to where if you're in
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: a bigger market like a Chicago or if we went
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: to Atlanta and did a show, they want that more
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: fast paced like aw Style match. So I think that's
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: you have to know. Like when I say, when you
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: ask me what's my dream card scenario? Will it changes
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: depending on where I am?
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, I love that.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: If I'm in small town Georgia, then I know I
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: gotta I gotta give the people what they want and
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: they want to be messed with, and they want they
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: want to be an interactive kind of show. And if
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: I'm in Atlanta, I gotta have guys that can go
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: and they can go out there and tear it up
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: for fifteen minutes and do all the high spots. So
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: it just really depends. But I'm a fan of everything.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: I think everything works, you know in this in different areas.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: So yeah, like you said, with the dream card, depending
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: on where I'm at, I think I can answer that
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: a little better for you.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: That's a great, great answer. Actually, what are your thoughts
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: on doing a death match?
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: People?
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't see because I's got big for a second.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: So how you do it is how you do it.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: I personally would not. I like, you know, I'm a
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: huge fan of like old school, like you know, like
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: the hardcore matches, like a little more like toned down,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: like right, yeah, you know a pizza cutter and get
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: a you know, staples. In my head, I'm not a
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: fan of that, but I those guys, I know, some guys,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: that's how they make their living and that's how they
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: get to chase this childhood dream of pro wrestling, And
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: hats off to them because there is a market for it,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: so someone has to do it. It's just I hope
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: that someone is not going to be me.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Just get one under your belt. I mean, even Matt
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Cardono has done it, so I think you saw what
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: that did for him exactly. Well, it's all about telling
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: the story too, and at the end of the day,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: that's really all what it's about, is making sure your
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: story is told. Sometimes it involves the glass and light
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: tubes and sometimes it doesn't. Yeah, well, so who for
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: right now? What do you kind of see the C. J.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Gallows character being like? Because I love the robe, the
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: glasses are great, you know, and I feel like you're
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: still trying to figure out exactly, you know, all the
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: little bits. But what for you right now does the
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: character look like the character?
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: It's it's such a hard thing to answer because we're
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: such even though I'm having matches, you know, weekly, it's
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: still evolving because you know, I was kind of going
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: in a trajectory of like this, you know, like you know,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: they were billing me is like this good looking baby face.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: And then that stuff happened with Avery and that really
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: took off, and I was in the midst of actually
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: trying to think of a name change. But now that
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: we're doing this like second Gen Bullet Club thing, I
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: was gonna drop Gallows, but you know, I kind of
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: have to play into that more now. So now it's
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: kind of done like a three sixty. Okay, we're I
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: was trying to get out of the Gallows thing, and
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I was trying to be more myself. But now I'm
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: starting to play into it a little bit more because
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: it's starting to create some buzz with everybody so excited
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: about that stuff with Avery and this new Gen Bullet
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Club or whatever. So the character, like I said, my
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: I can answer you this what I wanted it to
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: be because I was such an edge guy, because I
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: wanted to kind of like something like that, like a
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: an all put ultimate opportunist kind of thing like that
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: heel that just you know, he's always kind of there
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: and he always steals.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: The moment, gotcha. I like that.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: That was something I that was what drew me to
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: edge because I liked heels, and I always, you know,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: I wantn't to see a guy and I would love
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: when he would come in and cashing his money in
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: the bank and steal seeing a spot, or break into
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: the elimination chamber and win the title on another brand,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: like that kind of stuff. So that was kind of
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: what I was trying to and put obviously, like I
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: said earlier in my own twist on it, but now
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: I think I'm kind of back to the drawing board.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Obviously I got the big robe, so you know, there's
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: a little bit of showman to me in the glasses
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: and all that. So I would I would like to
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: eventually everybody wants me as a babyface right now. But
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: to be honest, I think my personality makes me a
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: better heel because just for him not saying.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I'm a bad guy or anymore.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: But it's easier to not, like I would say, whether
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: it was you know, athletics or whatever, I've always you know,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: kind of kind of teetered the line of confident and cocky,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: I would say. My peers would probably say, so, I
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: think the heels stuff would be really fun, but we'll see.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, there still could be room for you to
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: do both, because I think that you could, obviously, like
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: you said, lean into it, maybe do the I mean,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I like the almost MVP type ring gear you have.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, if you're going to lean
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: into the second generation bullet club, you could pull the
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: long pants in the single at the top like your
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: dad does.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: But I got better legs than the big man.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Then good keep the keep the gear you have now
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: that it works out.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: In Yeah, I got it. I got a new step
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: man that the MVP stuff. And this is just I'm
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: going off. I'm going off a little bit. But when
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: I was first getting gear made, you know, the biggest
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: thing he said. Dad told me was like, well, you
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: want something that you're comfortable in because if you're comfortable
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: in it, then you can you can fresh yourself more
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: because if you're uncomfortable and you're kind of you know,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: shy or whatever, and you don't feel comfortable in your
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: own skin. And I did the MVP style for a
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: little bit, and then I was like, well, I was
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: hiding too much, you know, I want to show off
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: the show off to what I do in the gym
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: a little bit. So I got more of an actual
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: single list a little bit more. You know, I got
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: the open chest and you know, kind of similar to
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: the shirt I'm wearing right now. So I've kind of
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: changed it a little bit and it's got it's got
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: my logos on it now. And instead of just like
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: the Plaine Gold or whatever.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, good, I was gonna say, you could, Yeah, you
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: could work both sides to where you could have your
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: second generation bullet club stuff and then also do your
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: uh whatever you were the generation that's me. Yeah, exactly,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: it's a little bit of both for singles and tag. Yeah.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: So I'm always curious because your dad is a very
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: verbose gentleman. If anybody's ever heard him talk podcast wise
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: or on the mic, what is the story that you've
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: heard him tell so many times that you could tell
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: it yourself because you just know, oh, he's you could
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: just tell the beginning, like, oh, I know where this
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: story is going.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think in ring what one of always
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: that was always so funny to me? And this is
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: this goes back from him being a kid. Yeah, and
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: he's probably told us and you might have heard it
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: if you follow the podcast or whatever, but you know,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: he was as big of a wrestling fan as you
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: could get when he was younger. And you remember the
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: ConA crush.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, Well he they were at recess or
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: whatever or messing around and he put a fellow class
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: made or friend or he put him in the crowne
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: of crush and accidentally broke the kid's jaw.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: And so that's one story. I was always like, I mean,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: you had to know, like he had to be screaming
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: or wincing or something and you just see it.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no way you just did it once and
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden the jaw was broken. Yeah, you
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: had to have known.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Many stories with him that. It's if I wasn't so
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: on the spot, I think I could probably throw up
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: a few more for you. But like he's obviously he's
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: been in the business. Now what I think this is
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: twenty four years, twenty twenty six years, twenty four years,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: and his career has reached you know that its peaks
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: and it's had its its lows as well. And he's
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: been he's been everywhere. He's kind of done everything. So
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: he's got so many stories from you know, his time
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: on WWE or when he gets he got stuck in Africa,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: and he's on a wanted list over there, and you know,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: you know, whatever it may be, there's so many stories
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: he's there's just every time we're on the road together,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: like there's something new I hear. I'm just like, I mean,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: how are you still alive?
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah? The Africa one definitely sticks out to me. I know,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: I've heard that multiple times. I'm always like, God damn.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: And it was curious to me how white Africa, of
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: all continents doesn't I mean, it's the biggest content, but
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: there's just not as much presence when it comes to
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: pro wrestling or other major things like obviously like they'll
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: go to certain places inside Africa, but like on the whole,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: it's just such a weird situation for me.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's weird because I could I think I
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: think as WW and AW are trying to they're trying
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: to capitalize on markets that haven't been capitalized in, and
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: I think Africa is one that is it is still
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: there's it really like you said, there's not much of
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: a presence of professional wrestling, so I could see definitely
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: in the next ten to fifteen years or whatever, trying
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: to capitalize and make a home in that market because
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: there really just isn't one, and why that is, I
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: don't know. There's obviously there are more rural parts where
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: there's just there's not a great arena or whatever, but
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: there's huge cities where I'm sure they could have, you know,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: a big pay per view or go over there for
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: a house show style kind of like when they did
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: those European tours, and I know they have done certain
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: stuff in Africa, but yeah, it's a it's a big
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: area with a lot of a lot of wrestling. I'm
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: sure there's a want for it in certain parts and
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: they just they don't have it. So I could definitely
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: see down the road someone capitalized on that market, and
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I think they should. Yeah.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I was lucky to talked to PJ. Black a few
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: years ago and he mentioned, because obviously he grew up
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: in South Africa that you know, his dad was running
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: a promotion, but there really wasn't any other wrestling there.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: It was literally a mix of everything that they were
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: able to get tape wise back then, and so it's
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: almost still been the same situation.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's it's one of those I don't really
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: have an answer for you, but hopefully someone can capitalize
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: on it soon.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: I also very much hope somebody can well. So obviously
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: you're newer to the business, but you're not at the
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: same time, and so show days can be long days,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: as you know, putting helping putting shows together as well.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: What are some standards you normally have in your bag? Someone, now,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: some standards you normally have in your bag?
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: In my bag like my gear bag, sir? I well,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: obviously it's get the basics out the way. I got
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: my gear in there obviously, but like more stuff that
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: are kind of essentials, I guess is what you're asking.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: I would say, you know, I always I follow a diet,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: so I always have a snack. So I'll have a
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: protein bar, not my dog's barking, a protein bar, maybe
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: a protein shake, something light. Oh you have to shut.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Up a little run in yeah, sor right for the interruption.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I always have like a light meal like
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: snack to have show day. And then on top of that,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: my baby oil is essential. Got how my baby oil?
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: And then so yeah, those two things are the I
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: have to have a snack, a little drink, nothing heavy,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: because I don't want to feel two way down or bloated.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: And then my baby oil would be my three man
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: and a phone charger. Phone charger is a big one.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: This is very true.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: So other than like, of course, the the wrist tape
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: and the gear and the stuff that goes into once
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: I'm out there, I'm a light traveler because and I
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: also am terrible with organizations, so I always forget something, gotcha,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: So I kind of I always keep in my gear
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: bag at least a phone charger, some gum because I'm
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: big on hygiene, gum, deodorant and clone. I don't like
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: wrestling guys that stink, so I'm not gonna stink.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Good for you that we definitely need, specially wrestling fans
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: listen that always have deodorant on you.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Yeahant wash your gear, wash.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Your gear, yes, and if.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: You you know, I've run into this a few times
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: where you'll wash your gear and it just doesn't get
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: the funk out completely right, and sometimes there's nothing you
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: can do about it. Have some body spray or have
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: clone to at least masket so you're the guy, you
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: don't have him in a chin lock and he's about
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: to vomit on you.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: But yeah, big thing I've noticed, especially down here some
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: guys they don't put the time into making sure they
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: smell nice. And the gum thing. The breath. The breath
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: is a big one. The rotten breath really makes me
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: want to puke. I'm back with smells, And when some
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: guy's trying to communicate a spot and I'm right there
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: in a headlock or whatever and he say his breath stinks,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: it makes me mad.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: So makes sense.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Well, so yeah, light snack, drank, gum, clone, deodorant, baby oil,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: my glasses, phone charger, and we're good.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: There you are. Yeah, gum for not only the breath,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: but also in case you get thirsty during the match
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  Speaker 1: or something. You never know. You just chew on a
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: little bit, get us live or going, and you're good
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: to go.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Well, so, as much as it is a physical sport,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: it's also a mental one as well. What are some
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: kind of mental workouts you tend to do, whether it
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: be building yourself up for a match, remembering your spots
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: during a match, and then obviously coming down afterwards, because
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: you know that high can be pretty big.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: For me. I don't have like I'm not like a
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: music guy. I don't want to pump myself up because
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: what I noticed is obviously I was an athlete all
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: my life growing up, and you know, in every other sport,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: I thought the more mad I can get, the better
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be once I go out there. And that's
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: not how you need to be into wrestling. So as
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: far as that, you know, I'm a pretty laid back guy.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Once once we have the match called and I know
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: I know it, you know, I'll go through the spots
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: in my head and I just kind of like, I'm
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: not one of those guys. I don't sit in a
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: room and I don't like to just I like to
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: have fun with the guys, to talk with the guys,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: just kind of sit back there and enjoy because wrestling
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: is fun, right yeah, And so and you know, you're
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: getting to hang out with your best friends, and you're
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: these guys you travel with, so we just get you know,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I'm one of those. I like to hang back, socialize,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: you know, make sure my stuff is what it needs
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: to be. But as far as that, I don't like
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  Speaker 2: pump myself up or anything. Once I hear the music
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  Speaker 2: play and I hear the crowd, that pumps me up
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: enough to where I don't need to be like, you know,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: pacing myself or headbutting things like I'm Goldberg.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I love it. Why have a segment? Shall
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: I call it the five Count? It's just five random questions?
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's what That's what we do. A question
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: of the week on the Bumping Feed, which I'm gonna
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: do a little shameless plug. Listen to our podcast as well.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: There you go. Number one, who's your first concert? My
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: first one out concert?
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Oh boy, I hate concerts.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Oh never mind? Uh what emoji to use most We'll
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: switch it up?
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: The and this is it's always misinterpret the crying face
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: because I look at it as like I'm crying laughing,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: but everybody thinks I'm crying.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Oh you're saying crying face.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Means like it's funny, ha ha. But a lot of
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: people like, are you okay, And I'm like, yeah, it's
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: just I guess I read it differently.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Well, there is the laughing face that does have tears.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm talking about, the laughing The laughing
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: face has tears. But I'm talking about the one where, like
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: the two blue streams, it looks like it's more like tears.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: But I take that as like I'm laughing out loud.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, there we go. Number two. If you owned a
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: liquor company, brewery, winery, coffee shop, or dispensary, which one
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: would you own and what would the name be?
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Oh? Man, that's a good one. I and not like
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: I know, Dad's more over the top of the drinking
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: I'm not. I don't do. I'm not a drinker. I'm
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: too young too anyway, So probably coffee shop.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: The name.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: My legal name is Kaid, So let's go Kaid's Coffee,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Kid's Coffee.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: There you go, it's cats in the name.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Number two crunchy or creamy, peanut butter or three for
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: peanut butter. Yeah, crunchy, okay, same. Number four? Creamy is fine,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: you know if it's there, But I'm not, you know,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not going to search it out. Yeah.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Number four? Who are what inspires you?
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Inspires me?
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Yes, sir?
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Oh this sounds I don't know if this is a
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: great answer, but I would say I'm inspired by the
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: people in the field that I'm pursuing their success because
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: I want to reach their success. So I'm inspired by
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: seeing people succeed because I want to succeed.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: There you go, Yeah, it's always better when you see
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: other people. Well, okay, it's not better. It's also great
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: to celebrate people that do great things. And then you know,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: once you do succeed yourself, it's even that much better
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: because they'll also if you.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Can't celebrate other people's victories, then you're kind of just miserable.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And number five. Normally I ask what would
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: you tell your seventeen year old self? But that was
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: two years ago for you. So where do you see
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: yourself in the next five to ten years?
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: I see myself in the next five years in the
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: performance center and work in an XT. In the ten years,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: I see myself on the main roster.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: We go.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: That's dreams right there.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll come back if it's true. If not, and
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: then I guess, don't come back to it.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Hey, we'll have you back before or five years and
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: we'll see where you're at. Yeah. Now, if people want
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: to find out more about you, obviously see you live,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: follow you online by the merch that you're going to
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: eventually have, and help you support you in any way.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: How can they do so?
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, So if you want to follow me on Instagram
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: it it's at Underscore CJ Gallows X is the same
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: at Underscore CJ Gallows Facebook. I'm in a battle. I've
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: been trying to change it to my wrestling name, but
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: I had a profile before. It's sticking to my government
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: names for Kate Hankinson on there. And then yeah, everything
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: working on T shirts now. But if you want to
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: get anythink for me. I got I got a good
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: bit of pictures that you can buy at the shows,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: and I do put all my events and I'm going
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: to be at on my Instagram stories and on my
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Facebook and Twitter whatever, so you can find that there.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: But Bumping Feed podcast listen to that Dasherie back Slide
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Bumping Feed for any merchandise there, as well as on
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: pro Wrestling Tease, Backslash, bumpinfeed dot com. I think so yeah,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: that's everything you can find me support our brand. I
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: really appreciate it.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I love it. CJ. Thank you so much for your time.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to see where your career goes in
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: the future. And then yeah, once you're in Texas, I'm
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: gonna come see you live. So it's gonna be in
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Texas next week. Hey, well, then I'm we're in Texas.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: You're gonna be at conro Oh, Conroe, I think that's
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: it outside of Houston.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: And then in December, I'm in bow Mount.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, nice, Well, then I'll definitely come try to see
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: you one way or the other.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, thank you for having me on problem.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: I think it's so much a CG for being on
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: the show again. If you need to be following what
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: he's doing, because he's doing fantastic things. He's doing the
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: big man stuff. Obviously he's tagging with Avery Styles, but
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: as he said, he wants to do a little bit
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: more on his own. So we'll definitely see what the
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: future holds for him. So while we're following him on
• 36:11
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• 36:14
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• 36:21
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• 36:23
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• 36:26
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• 36:30
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• 36:32
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• 36:34
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• 36:37
  Speaker 1: john So. Until next time, make sure you enjoy life,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: drink local. Cheers,