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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites, the podcast presented by BET three
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  Speaker 1: I am Chad Melman, Chief Content Officer of the Action Network.
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  Speaker 1: I'm joined as always by my co host, my companion,
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  Speaker 1: my compadre, my BFF Professional Better Assignment Hunter and os
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  Speaker 1: im In.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, Chad, did you enjoy that USA basketball? My friend?
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  Speaker 1: I'm so sad the Olympics are over. I love that
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  Speaker 1: you and I talked about gold Zone, which it felt
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  Speaker 1: like we were just getting into rhythm for NFL season.
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  Speaker 1: But man, I have watched every angle that anyone has
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  Speaker 1: put on social media about that last Steph Curry shot.
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  Speaker 1: He was so pure and so joyful and so good
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  Speaker 1: at something that is so hard. It is exactly why
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  Speaker 1: he belongs in the converse for top ten players of
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  Speaker 1: all time. And I feel like if there was any debate,
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  Speaker 1: this game settled it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And it was also just like the cherry on the
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  Speaker 4: top right of this last twenty years of Lebron Durant
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  Speaker 4: to Steph. It's like, if you're an NBA fan, those
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  Speaker 4: were the guys, And I know, I think it's tops.
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  Speaker 2: They're putting out some type of card with the three
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  Speaker 2: of them on there.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, everyone's going.
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  Speaker 4: Crazy right about it. I get it, Like it's if
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  Speaker 4: you're a basketball fan. I know basketball has plenty of
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  Speaker 4: haters and it's fun to be a hater, but the
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  Speaker 4: true basketball fans that's like, those are the guys like
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  Speaker 4: we know that. Not that we're going about to go
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  Speaker 4: to a down period here, but we really had this
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  Speaker 4: crazy run of these crazy stars. And you know, Steph Curry,
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  Speaker 4: he just when he wants to be the greatest shooter
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  Speaker 4: ever he can be, and it's like no one could
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  Speaker 4: just turn on and off. If you watched like you said,
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  Speaker 4: you watch those highlights he I don't think he touched
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  Speaker 4: the ball from like midway to the third quarter to
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  Speaker 4: the final three minutes of the game, and then every
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  Speaker 4: time he was just carrying the ball up the court
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  Speaker 4: and it was just like he knew this was his moment.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, as just a fan of you know, the
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  Speaker 4: NBA and everything it is, you know, that's not that
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  Speaker 4: he's my favorite player. I think i'd still have Lebron's
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  Speaker 4: my favorite player. But Steph Curry, man, like you said,
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  Speaker 4: it's you kind of put himself on that top ten list.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's hard to take them off fit.
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  Speaker 1: Now we have more late breaking news than the Americans
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  Speaker 1: winning the Gold medal.
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  Speaker 3: For today's show, which is.
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  Speaker 1: The sixth installment in our annual NFL Division preview series,
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  Speaker 1: we are discussing the NFC East Today, Simon, we are jooled.
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  Speaker 3: By our favorite of the favorites regular.
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  Speaker 1: Guests, My antagonist on our Sunday morning NFL preview show
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  Speaker 1: convinced me, which we'll start again with the first Sunday
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  Speaker 1: of the NFL season, available on YouTube and the Action
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  Speaker 1: Network up. He is the co host of the Action
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  Speaker 1: Network podcast. He is Chris raybaond Ray.
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  Speaker 3: What's going on?
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  Speaker 6: Brother?
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  Speaker 5: What's up? Guys?
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  Speaker 6: I actually got a question for both of you, since
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  Speaker 6: since we're talking about basketball, would you rather go to
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  Speaker 6: a Rams Chargers preseason game or a regular season Sparks
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  Speaker 6: Sky game?
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  Speaker 1: Uh?
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  Speaker 6: With keeping in mind that I haven't seen Angel Reese yet,
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  Speaker 6: I've seen Caitlin Clark play already.
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  Speaker 1: One w NBA game. Hey, I've been to it. I've
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  Speaker 1: been to a Chargers Rams preseason game with you, and
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  Speaker 1: that stadium is amazing. Loved it, totally loved it. But like,
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  Speaker 1: there's there's too much fun stuff happening with the w
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  Speaker 1: NBA right now, and the level of intensity is going
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  Speaker 1: to be better, the betting is gonna be better, the
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  Speaker 1: action and crowd is going to be better. I'd like
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  Speaker 1: the energy at the a w NBA game sign it.
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  Speaker 4: I mean obvious, I'm gonna go pre season football if
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna, if I'm gonna get my drink on or
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  Speaker 4: you take a gummy, I'm gonna. I'm gonna do the
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  Speaker 4: preseason football. But you really can't go wrong either way.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm a little biased just because won that stadium,
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  Speaker 4: and I just Chad knows.
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  Speaker 2: I love watching the second stringers.
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  Speaker 4: It's like it's fun in person, seeing the guys in person,
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  Speaker 4: like noticing little things where you know on TV you
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  Speaker 4: can't watch guys after the play. That's what's so good
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  Speaker 4: about being in person.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, definitely a tough choice by go football.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's going to be made for me
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  Speaker 6: because I got a brunch at ten am, But I
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  Speaker 6: would have to leave it pretty early or super early,
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  Speaker 6: but somewhat early to get to the Sparks game because
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  Speaker 6: it's at two in the preseason games at four, So
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  Speaker 6: I'll probably end up going to the preseason game. But
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  Speaker 6: this is the last time Andrew Reese is coming to
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  Speaker 6: LA so I did kind of want to see her,
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  Speaker 6: So I'm still torn.
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  Speaker 1: Probably that's important enough for you to get up at
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  Speaker 1: ten am.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I want to.
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  Speaker 6: Go visitors in time, my couple of my boys from
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  Speaker 6: from Syracuse, so you know, I'm got to show them around.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, it's just very unlike me.
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  Speaker 6: I would probably be just knocked out sleeping on a
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  Speaker 6: Saturday morning at ten am.
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  Speaker 5: You're absolutely correct.
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  Speaker 1: We have very important news to discuss before we get
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  Speaker 1: into discussing the NFC East today it was announced breaking news.
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  Speaker 1: We're recording this on Wednesday afternoon. JJ McCarthy out for
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  Speaker 1: the year, torn meniscus for the Vikings. On the show
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  Speaker 1: last week, Simon and I talked about the NFC North.
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  Speaker 3: The Vikings six and a half to the under. We
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  Speaker 3: liked it. We also liked potentially the Vikings for the
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  Speaker 3: worst record. Raybon.
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  Speaker 1: I know you and Stock you talked about Vikings potentially
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  Speaker 1: the last team to win a game on the Action
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  Speaker 1: Network podcast going back in May. So first for you, Raybon,
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  Speaker 1: how does this impact any of your thinking about the
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  Speaker 1: Vikings overvalue, undervalue knowing sam Donold's going to be the quarterback,
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  Speaker 1: not going to be quarterback controversies.
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  Speaker 3: How does this change things for you? If at all?
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  Speaker 6: It really doesn't shout to my boy Chris Thompson, who
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  Speaker 6: was just text to be saying, and he's a Vikings fan,
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  Speaker 6: he was saying, you know, I can't believe the market
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  Speaker 6: hasn't really reacted to this. And then total, the win
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  Speaker 6: total is still at six and a half, and I said, honestly,
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  Speaker 6: I have both of those quarterbacks rated pretty equally in
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  Speaker 6: terms of how they're going to affect the spread. You know,
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  Speaker 6: Donald is a known quantity and McCarthy does have more
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  Speaker 6: upside long term.
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  Speaker 5: But as a rookie especially, you know when that.
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  Speaker 6: We kind of knew was gonna miss it was not
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  Speaker 6: going to start from week one, they kind of grayed
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  Speaker 6: out about the same for me. So no real movement here.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, if I'm betting a Vikings win total, I'm
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  Speaker 6: winning under though, because the NFC, I think there's you know, eight,
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  Speaker 6: like nine, ten to eleven playoff contenders and the Vikings
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  Speaker 6: are not really.
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  Speaker 5: One of them.
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  Speaker 6: In my opinion, I think they're a worse team in
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  Speaker 6: had divisions, So I do think the Vikings are going
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  Speaker 6: to have a rough go at it now, But maybe
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  Speaker 6: we get some Nick Mhens and Jared Hall at some
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  Speaker 6: point too if Donald struggles, So just more reason to
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  Speaker 6: go with the under for me.
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  Speaker 4: Simon, I mean, it's pretty simple for me, Chad. The
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  Speaker 4: only thing I really fear in life is the unknown,
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  Speaker 4: and the unknown.
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  Speaker 2: Was JJ That's that's gone. I know what Sam Donald is.
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  Speaker 4: I think Evan Abrams just tweeted out, you know, since
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  Speaker 4: he was drafted in twenty eighteen, he's the worst quarterback
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  Speaker 4: against the spreading all football.
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  Speaker 2: He's twenty two thirty three and one, Chad, Like, I
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  Speaker 2: get it.
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  Speaker 4: People want to be like, oh, he went to Kyl
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  Speaker 4: Shannon and QB Whisper. He ain't no QB Whisper. He
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  Speaker 4: ain't Sean McVay.
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  Speaker 2: This.
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  Speaker 4: This is a man that runs a great system. Jimmy
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  Speaker 4: g left the forty nine ers. He just turned back
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  Speaker 4: into poop. That's why I think Sam Donald's going to be.
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  Speaker 2: Like he might, he might win a game here and there.
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  Speaker 4: Right, we've seen him string together a couple of good quarters.
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  Speaker 4: His issue is long term consistency, and once it goes bad,
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  Speaker 4: it starts to go really bad, Like he unravels.
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  Speaker 2: He unravels really bad.
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  Speaker 4: So I get if Vikings fans are dooming gloom, because
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  Speaker 4: how would you not be excited about j J. What
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  Speaker 4: are he just in the preseason? Even if preseasons is
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  Speaker 4: irrelevant to all of us, you can lie to yourself,
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  Speaker 4: you can be excited to be like, well, after one turnover,
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  Speaker 4: the kid came out through two touch shuns in a
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  Speaker 4: row through for one hundred yards.
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  Speaker 2: That's exciting.
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  Speaker 4: I mean Sam Donald came out there, went fourth eight
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  Speaker 4: and threw an incompletion on fourth and two in the
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  Speaker 4: red zone.
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  Speaker 2: That was that's him.
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  Speaker 4: Like, So that's that's why I get why Mostky fans
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  Speaker 4: are doom and gloom.
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  Speaker 2: But I think Sean said it like you.
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  Speaker 4: Will see punnets in the media, and I know plenty
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  Speaker 4: of professional betters who are like, they want to give
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  Speaker 4: him this last chance, Sam Donald, this last runner. It's
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  Speaker 4: like he could have that Baker season, that Gino Smith season.
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  Speaker 4: And I think Christi has said it, it's like in
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  Speaker 4: that division in the NFC, the wins just aren't there.
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  Speaker 4: The competition's too stiff. I don't I don't see how
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  Speaker 4: they're gonna have easy games. Where you know we went
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  Speaker 4: crazy because you know Smith went ninety eight. I will
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  Speaker 4: go absolutely crazy if somehow Sam Donald gets nine to
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  Speaker 4: eight with this team. So I'm feeling pretty good in
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  Speaker 4: my position chat.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I am.
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  Speaker 4: I am shocked. The market has not reacted at all.
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  Speaker 4: People people seem to believe in Sam Donald. I just
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  Speaker 4: I'm a total seller on this kid.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, Whoop, Like of all the times you
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  Speaker 1: decide to hold back and not get aggressive and abrasive,
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  Speaker 1: it's you decide to go with poop.
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  Speaker 1: the nfcas in nineteen of the past twenty one years,
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  Speaker 1: ninety one percent of the seasons an NFL team has
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  Speaker 1: gone from worst to first in its division. During our previews,
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  Speaker 1: we talked about at least one of those teams that
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  Speaker 1: we think has a really good shot, the Bengals. I
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  Speaker 1: know Raybon also thinks the Panthers are undervalued and might
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  Speaker 1: want to play a long shot on their chances to
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  Speaker 1: win the NFC South. In the NFC East, Cowboys finished first,
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  Speaker 1: the Commanders finished last. I don't think we're going to
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  Speaker 1: see that in this division, but you never know.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to run through.
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  Speaker 1: Its Eagles short starts to win the division. Right now,
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  Speaker 1: they are fifteen to one to win the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: They are at plus one hundred to win the division.
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  Speaker 1: Their win total is ten and a half. As everybody knows,
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to go through strength of schedule according to
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  Speaker 1: Futures Markets for season win totals, the line ranking according
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  Speaker 1: to Pro Football Focus, and the d line ranking according
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  Speaker 1: to Pro Football Focus. Right now, Eagles have the ninth
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  Speaker 1: easiest schedule, second best line rank.
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  Speaker 3: Even without Kelsey.
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  Speaker 1: People are hoping that Cam Jurgens can move from guard
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  Speaker 1: where he was a middle of the road player, but
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  Speaker 1: they still have Jordan Mailata. They have Lane Johnson, third
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  Speaker 1: and thirteenth grader overall of their positions. Big question, how
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  Speaker 1: effectively can Jurgens be replacing the Hall of Famer d Line.
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  Speaker 1: Final part of the roundup, support went out for Fletcher Cox,
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  Speaker 1: brilliant career, six time pro bowler, super Bowl champ. Define
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  Speaker 1: this Philly d Line such a character. We loved Jalen
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  Speaker 1: Carter last year as signon in his defensive Rookie of
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  Speaker 1: the Year. He was the favorite all season until he
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  Speaker 1: faded at the end and was taken over by Will Anderson.
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  Speaker 1: That was a bit of a kick in the dick.
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  Speaker 3: The real question here is ken Jordan Davis takeover.
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  Speaker 1: Is the dominant player Fletcher Cox was and can Bryce
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  Speaker 1: Huff be his dominant on the edge as Assan Reddick Raybon.
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  Speaker 1: While Simon is a massive Eagles fan, you are rock
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  Speaker 1: and the old school Randall Cunningham Jersey, I give you
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  Speaker 1: first crack at assessing the Eagles.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I like the Eagles.
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  Speaker 6: I think the Eagles are the best bet to win
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  Speaker 6: the NFC East. That even money, it's probably overall a
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  Speaker 6: little bit over value, just because you know, it's probably
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  Speaker 6: a little more than a two team race. I think
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  Speaker 6: Washington has a long shot. So but if I'm betting
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  Speaker 6: any one of these teams, I feel most confident in
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  Speaker 6: the Eagles, and that's because they addressed what I think
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  Speaker 6: really is. I know you talked about, you know, some
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  Speaker 6: of the changes in the trenches, but the Eagles are
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  Speaker 6: strong in the trenches.
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  Speaker 5: I think they'll be okay.
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  Speaker 6: They'll be somewhere from you know, good to too great,
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  Speaker 6: you know, even with the changes. I think the big
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  Speaker 6: question is if you watch the Eagles down or stretch
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  Speaker 6: last year. I know, I know Simon knows they couldn't
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  Speaker 6: handle a Blitz. Jalen Hurst just had no idea what
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  Speaker 6: he was doing against the Blitz. So they go out,
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  Speaker 6: Remember they had all that coordinator brain drain last year
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  Speaker 6: and they had to switch things up after going to
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  Speaker 6: Super Bowl. Both of their coordinators got hired away. So
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  Speaker 6: now they go out to get Kellen Moore, who was
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  Speaker 6: you know, longtime coordinator in Dallas. Then he went to
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  Speaker 6: LA for a year to the Chargers. But I think
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  Speaker 6: that's really the question. Can he solved those issues for
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  Speaker 6: Jalen Hurts against the Blitz, Because if he can, I
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  Speaker 6: think everything else is is gonna be cape for Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 6: They addressed the secondary, the cornerback situation, which I think
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  Speaker 6: was was big. You know, they took some guys in
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  Speaker 6: the draft. You got Gardner Johnson back there at safety.
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  Speaker 6: You know the offense, you got got Barkley, good running backs,
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  Speaker 6: but handling the blitz. And also that third wide receiver spot,
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  Speaker 6: just because you know, Brown and Smith haven't really missed
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  Speaker 6: any time. If they do, it's gonna be a lot
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  Speaker 6: more important that you know that number three spot. And
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  Speaker 6: right now it's John Ross, it's Johnny Wilson, a rookie,
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  Speaker 6: and it is Paris Campbell. So that could get a
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  Speaker 6: little dicey for Philadelphia because you would want their third
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  Speaker 6: wide receiver to be kind of like a Ross Campbell
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  Speaker 6: type guy who can get open quick. I don't know
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  Speaker 6: if those guys really can, but theoretically a guy like
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  Speaker 6: that so that they can have more options. But I
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  Speaker 6: think sae Quan will help a little bit. And I
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  Speaker 6: do think Howie Roseman addressed the roster as well as
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  Speaker 6: he could given the situation. And if you look at
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  Speaker 6: the schedule, because they didn't win that division, you know,
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  Speaker 6: you get a little bit of a break with the
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  Speaker 6: second place schedule instead of the first place schedule. So
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  Speaker 6: I'm high in Philadelphia. I think this is the year
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  Speaker 6: you're kind of way back on Dallas a little bit.
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  Speaker 6: We know how that goes in the NFC East. But
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  Speaker 6: the Eagles are favored in thirteen of their seventeen games,
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  Speaker 6: so I do think that they cruise to this division title.
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  Speaker 3: Simon, I imagine you have a million thoughts on this team.
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  Speaker 7: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I want to start with Raybound's comment about the blitz.
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  Speaker 1: Do you see that is the key they need to
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  Speaker 1: fix or is there something else?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 4: I think they've fixed that. I just think it was
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  Speaker 4: all like again, I can't move Syrian.
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  Speaker 2: He kept his job.
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  Speaker 4: That was that was so fireable. The fact that he
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  Speaker 4: couldn't get that adjustment, they're kill him more. Everything you've seen,
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  Speaker 4: the adjustments been made where we have some of the
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  Speaker 4: some the biggest issue we had no motion chat and
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  Speaker 4: when there was no emotion, the blitz would set up
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  Speaker 4: and they already.
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  Speaker 2: Knew what we were running.
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  Speaker 4: Like that, we were running four to five different plays,
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: so I threw out last year. My biggest issue was
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: always going to be can we cover the middle of
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: the field.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: He cam Driggen step in and command.
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: This offense, because you just said to Kelsey, he's a
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: Hall of Fame, right, even Lane Johnson talked about it
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: like I think I saw a quote twodays ago, it's
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: weird not having his voice out there, like it's it's
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: gonna be weird not having the anchor, the man that's
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: been there for so long. But Cam Dring is his
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: handpicked by who other than Kelsey has been in practice
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: every day working with them, training with him, and he.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Was our guard for the last two years.
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: So it's like the guy who knows the offense, he
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: knows what's to run, he knows the calls. It's just obviously,
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: like you just said, Chat, it's an added pressure to it.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: But my biggest issue with this team will always be
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: the linebacker position. Howie he goes sheep in different areas.
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: That's his that's his move, and it works right. How
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: He's won the best teams of football and that's where
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: he likes to go. Cheapest middle linebacker and outside linebacker.
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: I think Fangs is the one that said it. The
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: most important position in the NFL the last three years
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: has been outside linebacker. You look at the best teams
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: of football, Chat, they usually have a really good outside linebacker.
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: It's a big deal. So you know, did they fix
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: those issues yet? It's well, we'll see if they can
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: cover the middle of the field. That's my only real
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: question here. Like, like Chris just said, it's an issue
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: who the Eagles third receiver is on offense. That's a
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: great place to be. I'm feeling pretty good if that's
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: one of our big issues, our third receiver.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: So it's like this.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: Team is built to win now, and the NFC we're
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: all praying I already said it last week.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: We're praying this how you trade goes down.
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: If you're a fan of a team in the NFC,
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: you want Ayuk off that team, go send him to nowhere.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Steelers, let him go play with them.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: Please get him off the forty Niners because he is
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: one of the blessed the best blocking wide receivers on football.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: And no one gets up.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, his his success rate of getting an open
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: chat is out of the spruld. Like people don't realize
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: how good Ayuk is. Even when he's being double bracket,
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: he's still he still finds hold in the zone. So
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: this Eagles team right now, to me, if it all
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: works out right now, this team doesn't have anyone holding
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: out everyone's healthy head end of the season, I probably
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: would move them over in my powering gains above the
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: forty nine ers team and put the lines right behind them,
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: cause it's like fight out. The foreigners are having all
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: these issues Chad, and it's I keep being like, well,
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: it's not that big of a deal. What are we
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: three weeks out? Now this is starting to become a
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: big deal. We saw Nick Bosa held out. He wasn't
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: right till week seven eight, Like you need these periods,
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: you need the ramping up of the season. So this
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: Eagles team, to me, the biggest question are gonna be
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: the livebackers and the coaches. Right now, I'm pretty confident
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: these coaches what I've seen in practice. The linebackers, I
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: still I still need time chat. It's like I don't
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: really know until the bullets are flying what this team's
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: going to be like at the linebacker position.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting you mentioned the linebackers. I remember
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: specifically we talked about this on the show Ray Bond
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: and Stuck. You talked about it on their show when
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: we were looking at the Niners going to play the
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Eagles in that December game, right where the Eagles had
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: just played an overtime game against the Bills. We started
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: handicapping that game immediately, and we all liked the Niners
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: in that game. The Niners are going to be short.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I can't remember if they were short favorites or short
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: dogs in that game. Okay, yeah, I think so too,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: but we still like them as favorites. The reason we
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: liked them is because the Eagles could not cover the
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: middle of the field.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: That was an achilles heel for that team all season long.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: You mentioned fangs Vic Fangio, new defensive coordinator, legendary, respected, beloved.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: I got to think he will find ways to mask
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: these deficiencies a lot better than the sort of buffet
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: of bad defensive coordinators they had coming in last year,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: ending with Matt Patricia, you got you gotta believe that,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Like in any business, you sort of have to decide
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: something is going to be and you have to believe
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: you can do it.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: That's what I mean. There was no fix.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: So like this year, this team, when I'm looking at them,
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: I'm just like, to me, in this division, these are
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: my biggest bets on the most confident. This is the
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: only the only division metach I've been right on every
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: year we've done this show, and we're not even doing
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: anything special people. We've literally gone Dallas Eagles, Dallas Eagles
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: since I joined the show.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Last year, we used a lot of our luck, cup.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: I cannot believe we hit that Dallas bet and we thought,
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: we joked about we thought it was dead.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: I think it was true.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: Eagles were ten to one. I think we were just
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: coming off back to back really bad losses.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: With Dallas.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: We're like, oh, well, basically they need to win out
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: and maybe lose one game. The Eagles need to lose
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: out and maybe only win one game. And that's exactly
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: what happened. So this year I feel way, way confident
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: betting this number. The only negative here is we bet one.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: We bet plus one three plus one twenty. I mean
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: for the last two months and then just in the
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: last three weeks. This line is now up to minus
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: one twenty. Like you just said a lot of books,
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: so you miss that a little bit. Still love the
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: over obviously ten and a half. Don't hate it if
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: you want to put fifteen to one. But I liked
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: I did what Chad did last year. If you listen earlier,
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: I like the Chiefs. Obviously I'm betting on the three peet.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: I love the bet on History Eagles Chiefs matchup Super Bowl.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I got it at forty to one, So.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: If you want to do something fun like that, you
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: can do that if you don't like taking the fifty
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: to one. But I have no issue taking the fifteen
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: to one. But I did Chad's but I took them
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: forty to one against the Chiefs. I put another bet
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: on them against the Bengals. I think it was fifty
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: five to one. Egos Bengals.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: So that's a fun way to bet that stuff if
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: you want longer routes.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just a preview for people who will listen to
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: our Best Bets episode, which will be the last week
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: before NFL season kicks off.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Simon and I will run through sort.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Of our favorite futures bets, and annually one of my
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: favorite bets is round robining the best odds.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Below usually twelve to one or under.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: In ten or the last past eleven years, the teams
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: with those odds have met in the Super Bowl. So
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: last year it was the Chiefs and the Niners. Both
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: had lower than twelve to one odds, but the payout
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: on their Super Bowl win with something like thirty five
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: to one. So I will bet that and that is
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: in Evan Abrams special. I'm going to expand it this
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: year because I actually like, I think the Bengals are
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: thirteen to one.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: The Eagles are fifteen.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: To one, so we'll get into that for sure, all right,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: all right, Speaking with the Cowboys, I can't think of
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: a team that I'm fading harder than the Cowboys that
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: has mismanaged everything since before kickoff of their route. In
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: a loss to the Packers in the playoffs where all
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: three of us were all over the Packers as seven
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: point underdogs, that game was over with about three minutes
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: past Dallas nineteen to one and win the Super Bowl
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: plus one fifty to win the Division ten and a
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: half win total. Eleventh hardest strength of schedule O line
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: is tenth, entirely because of Zach Martin and Tyler Smith.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Their tackles are suspect with Toront Smith and Terrence Steele.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Toron Smith gone, Terrence Steele coming off a down year.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: They also have a new center. D line is sixth,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: But a lot of this is about Micah Parsons and
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence, right, So between the two of them they
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: make up for a lot of issues in the rest
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: of that defensive line. Everything about this team screams flashy
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: over bet overvalue. Built For the regular season, Dak barely
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: made our top ten list of quarterback We hate Mike McCarthy.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Now cdee Lamb is holding out Simon, I hate this team.
• 23:56
  Speaker 8: I want to buck on this What do you say?
• 23:59
  Speaker 8: I want to buy it tonight with ten percent of
• 24:01
  Speaker 8: the day around here in Jersey where I come from,
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: Let's call the juice the juice break.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: It's all negative, like everything about It's like even their
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: own fans have not been going to their camp, which
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: is shocking. Like usually they're always to sell out all
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: the fans show up, and this year even them are
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: not that they're out on the team. I think they're
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: just out on Jerry Jones, right. I think they're pissed
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: it in because it's like, why did you not? Why
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: do you not just get this done with Dak and
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: cd Why did you not just get this done with
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: It's like the options out there aren'tna be much better
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: unless you totally tank the next two years and try
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: to find your own With Caleb Williams.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: It's like these.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: Guys just don't pop up. It's it's pretty insane with
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: the move they're making right now. We already talked about
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: like Dak has all the power if he walks this year.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: They got like over fifty million in dead cap next year.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: That's that's a crazy number to think they're just gonna
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: have a guy walking that that kind of money's in
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: the book.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: So every day I wake up.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: I honestly feel like I fall for the trap of,
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: oh they just signed Cdo they just signed Dak to
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: a big contract? Because I've just been wait for to happen,
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: and it just feels like it's not happening. Every day
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: the sound bites get worse from Jerry Jones jat so
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: the team on the field, I think he nailed it
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: right there. They have some questions down the offensive line
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: which we haven't had in the past. You know, if
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: if CD does miss time, who are they throwing to
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: go through their depth tra to wide receiver. It's a
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: lot of really heavy questions there. So they desperately need
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: CD back, And you know, I don't I don't know
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: if Chris loves this guy, but I think his name's Rico,
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: this running back.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: I kind of love him.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: I kind of think he's gonna be the guy over
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: is Ekal Elliott, and there are touches there to be had.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: But defensively, I think you talked about chat. It feels
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: like they extremely overachieved last year and they're gonna pay
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: the piper this upcoming season just because they haven't really
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: improved that defensive side at all. They just kind of
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: rolled it, let it ride back. And you know, I'm
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: looking at this team ten and.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: A half I've just talked to.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: I want to say, I've spoken to every book maker
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: that you know in the greater Tri State area over
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: the last two months. It's all under money on this team.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: They've just been getting tons and tons of money on
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: this win total. So this is gonna be the sportsbook's
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: larger positions on win totals. They're gonna need this teams over.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: I just think they had held the bad number. Chad, Like,
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: to me, this ten and a half made sense last
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: year when this division was so weird. Yeah, the division
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: feels like it's improved like tremendously from the commanders of
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: the Giants. So you know, to me, ten and a
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: half still too high of a number. I do like
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: that under and obviously we're.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Not touching anything for them divisionally or Super Bowl ots.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: This is a weird Everything about this is a weird
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: public number to me. The nineteen to one is a
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: public number. The plus one fifty is public, the ten
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: and a half is public.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: It's all screaming.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Bookmakers are just looking to take advantage of people who
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: love the Cowboys.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: Love the Cowboys. I feel like those people are gone
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: and they didn't adjust for that.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Ray Bon, are you about to tell us right now?
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: I love the Cowboys?
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: Nah, I don't, but it is anytime the market is
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: so overwhelmingly negative, I think as a you kind to
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: have to at least consider, yeah, scary contrarian, yeah, the
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: other side. But for me, I just think the Cowboys
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: have a wide range of outcomes, because, for one, they're
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: still favored in fourteen of their seventeen games, but really
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: four of those.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: Are essentially a pick them.
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: It's you know, the spread is minus one or some
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: some are even a pick them, depending what book you're
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: looking at.
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: So they there.
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: Is a situation like a scenario where the Cowboys finish
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: you know, nine and eight, eight and nine even especially remember,
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: you know, a couple of years ago, Dak Prescott missed
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: some games that's happened a couple of times. If they
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: was that, you know, Simon you said it, Ceedee Lamb's
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: really their only guy receiver. You know, Rico Daudo at
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: running back. I mean, I don't think he's going to
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: make a difference one way or another running backs generally, don't.
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: You know Howard wasn't great last year coming off that
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: injury anyway, But I did. I did like what McCarthy
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: did somewhat down the stretch after the bye. They kind
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: of went super pass heavy, But I don't know if
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: that's gonna be an option this year with just see
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: and remember, you know, it's it's not very likely that
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: CD continues to just not ever miss games due to
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: injury either. So I think this team is very fragile
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: with not bet any overs on them.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: And I am.
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: Concerned about that tackle situation because you had Tchumadoga, the veteran,
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: getting snaps at left tackle and he looks like he
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: just got hurt.
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: So now you're gonna have to go with the with the.
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: Rookie guiton at left tackles and Chad you mentioned Steele
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: was pretty shaky. He ranked sixty ninth of eighty one
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: qualified tackles at Pro Football Focus in terms of their
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: grading last season. So Dak Prescott under pressure with just
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: one receiver that really is gonna be reliable, reliable, you
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: get open. I mean, maybe Jake Ferguson continues to step up,
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: but I just you know, they don't have the running game,
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: they have one bona fide receiver, they don't have tackles,
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: and the coach is shaky. So not a lot to
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: love for Dallas, especially when you put them side put
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: the Cowboys side by side against the Philadelphia Eagles. So yeah,
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: it's all about the Eagles this year. I think the
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: Cowboys could suffer from that NFC East first place jinx.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they've built a team that is designed to win
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: in the regular season over the past several years, and
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: I don't even think they're designed to do that now,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: given the offensive line issues, given what's going on with
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Ceddee Lamb. Like, let me give you some stats, right,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: ce d Lamb is not only coming off one of
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: his best years, one of the best wide receiver seasons ever.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: There have only been two seasons of receivers with one
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: hundred and thirty plus receptions seventeen one hundred plus receiving
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: yards twelve plus receiving touchdowns twenty twenty one, Cooper Cup
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, c D.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Lamb.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: If this guy's not in the field, they don't really
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: have probably about eighty percent of their passing offense. So
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: there's some serious issues there. And to my point about
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: the Cowboys being a regular season team, highest average win
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: toil of the past twenty years to not win a
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Cincinnati Bengals eight point one, San Francisco forty nine,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Ers eight point one, Minnesota Vikings eight point two, Falcons
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: eight point three, Chargers eight point nine, number one Dallas
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Cowboys nine point two.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: What a brittle list to be on. Damn, you've just
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: so much winning for not so much.
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: I remember their last Super Bowl. That was like the
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: first Super Bowl that I as a kid. I really remember,
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: just the whole weed up to it, and you know,
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: watching the like simulate it with Madden in nineteen ninety
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: five and then they go out and just spank the Steelers.
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: Neil O'Donnell could not keep up with that Cowboy defense
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: and whatnot. But yeah, it's been it's been rough. And
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: you know, even Chad you mentioned a pass offense I mean,
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: Brandon Cooks is still there. We shouldn't just shit on him.
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: But he's he's gonna be thirty one, so he's a
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: tough time staying healthy, right, Yeah, I mean, well, not
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: necessarily healthy, but I think you worry about just because
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: he's a smaller guy and he has he has had
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: some good cussion issues. So yeah, he's not He's not
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: a guy that you necessarily expect to go back to
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: being the wide receiver one that he was at times
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: earlier in his careers. So yeah, there's just it's just
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: it just feels very fragile for the Cowboys this year.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: True story, Raybon. I know I'm showing my age. I
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: covered that.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Steelers Cowboys Super Bowl and the NFC Championship game the
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: week before when I think it was Larry Brown had
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: multiple He did it well. He had an interception in
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: the AFC in the championship game, and then in the
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: next game, and I had to interview, I had to
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: write for Sports Illustrated a little sidebar about the play
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: that led to the interception in the NFC Championship game,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: and I asked Antonio Freeman what the play was in
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: the locker room after the game. And I said to him, look,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I know you weren't on the field, but I saw
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: you standing next to home grin. Can you tell me
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: about the play? He goes, well, I wasn't on the field.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I know, but you know I need to
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: do a story about it.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: He knew who I was.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: I had been to Green Bay a bunch, and he goes,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: you got to do a news chronicle for Sports Illustrated.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I got to do a news chronicle.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: And then he wouldn't answer my question. So I went
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: to Adam Timmerman, and Adam Timmerman started telling me what
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: everything was. I got everything I needed. Then Antonio Freeman
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: came up to me in the locker room before I
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: was leaving and started to get in my face and like,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: what am I going to do?
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Right? But Adam Timmerman pulled him back from trying to
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: kill me in the locker room.
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: What that? First?
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: Of all, great story, And those are some amazing name drops,
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: like I was more Robert Brooks, Dorsey Levin's guy myself
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: on that that stand. But Waymond was a beast too.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Hey, Dorsey Levins. I was on the sideline for the Patriots.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Packers super Bowl that the Packers won, and Dorsey Levins
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: knocked me over when he ran He ran out of
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: bounds and I was behind a cameraman and we both
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: got knocked over. And I didn't feel great the rest
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: of that night and was in New Orleans.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: I'll just say, And he didn't even feel you.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: I don't like, he didn't feel anything right.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: And so I go to my back to my hotel
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: that night, super late night, right and I'm not feeling great.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: I start puking the rest of the night. I think
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: I might have had a concussion, Like he knocked the
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: fuck out of me on the sideline.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: So I don't know if you get to hear my
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: phone going crazy, Chad. Apparently Jordan Addison, the number two
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: receiver on the Vikings, just went down. The injuries being
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: helped off the field by trainers. It's like truly a
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: season from hell for the Vikings fans right now.
• 34:11
  Speaker 8: Wow.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel terrible for the Vikings. I feel terrible
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: for Kevin O'Connell. He seems like a really good coach.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I want him to.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: Be able to succeed there.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: I hope this doesn't become a season where everything is
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: so bad they feel like they have to start over,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: give him the chance to make some magic with what
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: this roster is becoming.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: I think they will.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: I think yeah, I don't think they'd move on from
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: after this year, even if they went very terrible.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: I don't think they'd move on.
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: Hey, if we got no Jordan Addison for any length
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: of time, we already probably won't have TJ.
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: Howkinson to start the year.
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: Ed Addison could get suspended even if he's not, yeah, hurt.
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: So the fact that we're also out on j JJ's
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: out means if Darnald struggles, we're gonna.
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: Get us some Nick Moens and you know who.
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: That's really good for Justin Jefferson to wed the in
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: receiving yards because Nick Mullins will throw five hundred air
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: yards in a game complete like three hundred and fifty
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: of them throw four picks. But JJ will will put
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: up like one hundred. JJ. If you take out the
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: game that he got hurt and a game that he
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: came back. Last year, JJ averaged one hundred and twenty
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: seven receiving yards per game. If you do that over
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: the full season, you're running away with that crown. So yeah,
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: Justin Jefferson definitely might be worth a bet here, depending
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: on what's going on with Addison, because he would be
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: an absolute target hog, even if even if the quarterback
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: is substandard.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Washington Commanders, I feel like I'm misreading something here. The
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Washington Commander is one hundred and twenty one one hundred
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: and twenty to one to win the Super Bowl plus
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: eight hundred to win the Division. Six and a half
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: is the win total. Thirteenth easiest strength of schedule O
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Line rank twenty seven. Sixty percent of the offensive line
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: is new at left tackle, protecting Jaden Daniels blind side.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: They are relying on a career backup in Cornelius Lucas
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: defensive line nineteenth. There was a time where this was
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: a top four defensive line with Montes Sweat and Chase Young,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: not that long ago. I think this line is too high,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: even with their current talent level. The big signing Dorrance
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Armstrong from Dallas, whose career eye in sacks during six
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: years eight and a half knew everything coach QB O
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: line D line coordinators. I mean, I don't get the
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: market numbers here. I don't understand why. Like Raybau, you
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: already said the Commanders would be your sort of long
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: shot here. None of this makes sense to me, all.
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: Right, So, first of all, the Commanders were four and
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: thirteen last year. They employed Ron Rivera, Eric b Enemy,
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: and Jack del Rio as their head coach and offensive
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: and defensive coordinators, respectively, So they needed everything new.
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: So that's a good thing.
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: Second of all, the main difference, if you want to
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: get really simple, between Washington and the New York Giants,
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: is that Washington has a chance to have a quarterback.
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: It's as simple as that. That's football.
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: Both of these rosters shaky, like you said, Chad, although
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: I'm I think Washington has the better roster than the Giants.
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: I mean, yes, the offensive line is maybe a little
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: bit unsung, but it's not a disaster, like I think
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: it can be serviceable, like you know somewhere around week average.
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: You know, they got Terry McLaurin, who's already established. The
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: Giants have a rookie trying to fill that role, Jayden Daniels,
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: I would say, already better than Daniel Jones.
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: The Giants backup quarterback. They can't even get that right.
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: Drew Locke look terrible in his preseason snapped the Giants
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: have no secondary. Washington has no secondary. But I think
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: Washington has more upside because you still have you know,
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: maybe Forbes can get it together. It was the first
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: round pick you got. I struggled to pronounce his name.
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: But the flat corn who they took in a Secon
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: round out of Michigan this year, Cyrus still I believe.
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: I think it's how you pronounce it. But they do
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: have some upside here. Jeremy Chin is an interesting guy.
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: You know, he flashed in Carolina at times. So just
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: up and down the roster, I think Washington just has
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: more upside. You know, Echler Robins a pretty good running back,
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: Duo Ertz and so know at tight end. So there's
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: there's still positions they do not They have Bobby Wagner
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: in the middle and Louvu so at least, you know, Simon,
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: if you like linebackers, I mean, Washington at least has
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: linebackers finally, So you know, I when I look at
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: this roster, I just I think it's better than the Giants,
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: but more than anything, Washington.
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: Could have a quarterback.
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: It's like it's like it's as simple as the Texans
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: Anddycap last year. It's like, well, if you didn't know
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: who to take on the bottom of that division, you know,
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: it was the Culture Texans because they potentially have quarterbacks,
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: you know, And this is I mean, I'm not really
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: a believer in Daniel Jones and Gable is going to
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: be calling plays now for the Giants. And I remember
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: when Ben McAdoo was all their rage for you know,
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: a few evenings in New York and then he started
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: calling his own plays, and that's just tough as a
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: head coach, you know, adding responsibilities here. So I'm I
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: don't like what the Giants are doing.
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: I don't love.
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: Washington, but I think Washington has in its range of outcomes,
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: a chance at success, and especially with you know, if
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: Dallas flounders or Dat gets hurt or see something's up
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: with CD and Jade and Daniels really hits the ground running,
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: he could really transform that team and that culture because remember.
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: That's what they really needed.
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: Washington is a culture reset, you know, all the ownership
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: issues and then you know, Ron Rivera I think got
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: pretty stale. Del Rio got pretty stale. The enemy you know,
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: never really you know, was getting jobs before this, and
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: you know, I don't think he is that great either.
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: So I just think the change is good for Washington
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: and staying in the changes the Giants made, I'm not
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: really really thrilled about Ben McAdoo.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Unforgivably, benched Eli Manning ended his long running record setting
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: quarterback starting streak for one game for Geno Smith. He
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: should have been fired that second for that. I think
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: it took about two seconds.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: I was incredulous about it too. McAdoo was like.
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: A higher gun.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Really.
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: The guy to blame, and.
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: I've written about this for Action Network, is Mara. Mara
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: has no idea what's going on, and he has no
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: idea that the people working for him have no idea
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: what's going on. So I blame Marra, I blame the GM,
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: and they really haven't. I think Dabo's solid.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: But I still think that the front office is shaky.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: We're going to go deep into the Giants because I
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: think there's a public perception thing going on here, and
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: so because of hard Knocks, and we had Lombardi on
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: and Lombardi railed against Joe Shane and how he made
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: GM's look and how he managed some of that situation.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: But Simon, give me your take on the commanders.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the fear of the commander is that Jayden Dames
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: will be dead by week five.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: That's it, right, Like they didn't that is I should
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: he not invest in getting a guy to protect him.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: All of it though, Like even when I talked to professionals,
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: it's like, who's the who's the O. C.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Kingsbury.
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: It's like that guy he flashes then all of a
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: sudden his offense gets figured out.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: He's dog shit. Like there you go, chat a real
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: dog shit.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's just the fear here, because it's like
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: I love the upside of this team, like Chris is
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: talking about, like this is a fun, exciting team because
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: they're brought a new coaches and he could change the culture.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: Or we've seen all the time the quarterback comes in
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: and the players around him believe in that quarterback. It
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: does change the culture. We've seen time and time again.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: But the same my team, The Giants are my team.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: So I just couldn't get there this team in six
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: and a half because I do believe in the Giants.
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: I wanted to take both these teams over. But I
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: have this team right at six wins chat, so it's
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: like I'm not really betting this one only at half
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: a game under the win total. I just I can't
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: get there. There's just still too many questions. And you
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: talk about the biggest issue for me is that they
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: sold off that D line like they didn't really replace it.
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: They don't really have guys that can put pressure on
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: other teams when they are going to be behind. They
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: need to have pass rushers and guys that can stop
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: the run, and they.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Kind of give that up.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: But they do have good linebackers which could correct some
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: of those weaknesses. But too much is there too many questions?
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Even in this you know a.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: Couple of weeks of preseason, their secondary they are bad?
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: Man?
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Are they bad? Washington secondary is really bad.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Let me set up the Giants numbers one hundred and
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: fifty to one to win the Super Bowl plus thirteen hundred,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: so thirteen to one to win the division, also six
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: and a half wins, like the Commanders, a line ranked
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: twenty ninth, and like this was the crux of the
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Hard Knocks off season series. The Giants did not pursue
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Saquon because they were so focused on improving the offensive
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: line and helping Daniel Jones. They brought in two n
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: guards highlight about John Runyon probably long in the tooth.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: They need a better year from Andrew Thomas, who was progressing.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: To be elite.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: What they really need is Evan Neil to play like
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: the number one pick he was in twenty twenty two.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: I don't think he will.
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: That's over.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: It's over.
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: Okay, that's over. That's all purious. I think it's gonna
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: be a luminor. Honestly, I think it's over.
• 43:34
  Speaker 7: The New York Giants' glory years are a distant memory
• 43:37
  Speaker 7: for their long suffering followers who have endured through the
• 43:40
  Speaker 7: worst of John, and before the carnage was complete, they
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: managed to rip some salt into the wound.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: I thought Lombardi was great on the show last week,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: being so honest about Joe Shane and how he he
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: could be on the right side of history here, which
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I believe he is with the Saquon move, but the
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: way he handled it was terrible. And I think Raybond
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: that might be influencing you in the Giants, but Simon,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised you're believing more in the Giants.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's the hardest part of my job though,
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: is Like even months ago when I was begging people
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: in our Best Ball Draft, we said, I love the
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: Giants stack. You could have gotten neighbors in the fifth
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: and sixth round when I was talking about him like that.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Dude, right now, chat, he's an end of the second
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: early third round pick.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: So the public now is shifted where they're believing in
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: him just because he's killing it in camp. Daniel Jones
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: not so much. I mean, he's gotten better. I think
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: he was just rusty when he first came out there.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: In these last couple of weeks, you know, he struggled
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: the first two weeks of camp. This past week he
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: has everything I've read. He's been more accurate, more consistent
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: on his deep ball, even though the young wide receiver
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: Hyatts look better, getting more comfortable with him. It's just
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: there are pieces there that I can get excited about.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: And the biggest thing is I've seen Daniel Jones do
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: it like I've seen him somehow. Get to see him
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: to a playoff game and win a playoff game. It's
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: like I get where people are coming from. In his career,
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: He's we had one season I believe, with over twenty
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: touchdown passes.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Like that's that's terrifying. Shad like that is I'm not
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: gonna lie.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: The betting that is is scary, but it is just
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: me betting on this D line. Like I just think
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: they have such a good D line that if they
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: can just figure out a little bit on offense, if
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: they can really flip those one score games, which I
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: think that's what makes Debo a great coach. Like Debo,
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: you know the year they had that run, he was
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: incredible in close games, Like that's why we faded them
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: the next year because we're just like, they can't repeat that.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: The same thing with the Vikings, were like the Vikings
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: couldn't repeat that, and they didn't. I do think they
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: have the squad this year to go eight to nine,
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: nine and eight like that, That to me feels like
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: they're ceiling. Wow, So looking at six and a half,
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: I'm taking the over. But like we just talked about,
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: if they're zero to four and Daniel Jones has three
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: three touchdowns and nine interceptions on the season, none of
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: us are gonna be shocked.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: It's Daniel Jones.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: It's like, it's the reason most fans of their team
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: think this is the last year of his contract. Right
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: after this year they pay him the forty million. They'll
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: move on that shock anybody. But I just I just
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: like what this team has in place. The biggest question.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: I think Chris is nailed it. It's like, what are
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: we gonna get from this offensive line? That to me
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: is the biggest question here.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: So right now I'm looking up and while I do this,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: I'm looking up the lines for week one, because Simon,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: we liked the Giants as home dogs against the Vikings
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: in Week one.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: They might be fair enough, but I'm assuming there's still
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: one point dog.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: There's still one point dogs.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: So yeah, if like, you know, this feels like a
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: go and grab it situation because.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: The just feels like that game's going to make or
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: break my win totalle bets on both teams exactly right.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: And this feels like like the moment is now because
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: you the stats will all tell you when we're going
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: to get deeper into this when we get into week one.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: You want to be betting the short home favorites in
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: week one, uh, and you want to get it before
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: it they become I'm sorry, the short home dogs, and
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: you want to get it become before they become the
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: home favorite. Simon, you were about to say that you
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: like their defensive line. Their defensive line, according to PFF,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: is ranked eighteenth. To me, that feels low. Like Dexter
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Lawrence alone, he's the highest graded interior D lineman in
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: the league. He was three points higher than Aaron Donald
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: last year. Now they've added Brian Burns, who may make
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Kavon Thibodeaux even more effective. Like even though we have
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: he had flashy stats last year, he only had forty
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: three quarterback pressures.
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: So yeah, I.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Agree with you about the defensive line, Raybond. Does that
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: influence any of your thinking? Does anything we've said influence you?
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: Nah?
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: I just think this team.
• 47:48
  Speaker 6: Every year there is a team that I look at
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: and I just disagree with how they philosophy philosophically think
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: about football. Last year it was the Carolina Panthers. Frank
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: Wright or agreed with pretty much zero of their moves.
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: I'm starting to feel that same way about Joe Shane
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: because when I look at all of the moves in
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: totality that this Giant team has made since he took over.
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: They signed Daniel Jones to that big contract. Silly they
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: with on Evan Neil. They I've already spent two day
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: three picks on undersized wide receivers that are not better
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: than a holdover really in Darius at least not more
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: productive than a holdover Darius Slayton, who they keep trying
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: to bench but he keeps out playing all their other receivers.
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: Then they go and they spend big money on a
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: linebacker and Bobby Okaraka is great, but he's a linebacker.
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: It's just not smart salary allocation. Okay, fine, whatever, they
• 48:58
  Speaker 6: overachieve a couple in dables for first year. Last year,
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: everything goes to shit, uh and it goes to poopy.
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: You saw you saw Dave.
• 49:07
  Speaker 6: You saw Daboll unravel you saw him not you saw
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: him literally.
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: Or if it wasn't Dave.
• 49:13
  Speaker 6: Dabell had coached Tyrod Taylor in Buffalo, and somehow these
• 49:17
  Speaker 6: guys could not get together.
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: I believe I think they overlapped. I'm not even sure
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: about that now that I think about it.
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: But either way, the fact that he couldn't get it
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: communicated that Tyrod Taylor was.
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: Not to throw the football. They essentially threw away a
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: game they could have beat Buffalo.
• 49:30
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 49:30
  Speaker 6: You know, uh, we saw Dabe just unraveling multiple times
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: on the sidelines, and now he's gonna call his own plays,
• 49:37
  Speaker 6: adding something, adding you know another, uh, you know, another
• 49:41
  Speaker 6: task to his plate where this roster. Like, sure they
• 49:46
  Speaker 6: got a nice D line, but I always thought Burns
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: was a little overrated. I mean, he's great, but for
• 49:51
  Speaker 6: what they paid for him, I think he's a little overrated.
• 49:53
  Speaker 6: Caveon Thibodeau has more name value than actual production in
• 49:58
  Speaker 6: my opinion. I mean, so, so you're really talking about
• 50:01
  Speaker 6: two great offensive linemen, Lawrence and Burns.
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: You know, Thibodeau in theory should be one.
• 50:08
  Speaker 6: And then your secondary is you're really counting on Deontay
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: Banks to make a massive year two weep, and that
• 50:15
  Speaker 6: could happen. He was a first round pick out of
• 50:17
  Speaker 6: Maryland last year, but he's still got question marks that
• 50:20
  Speaker 6: at the other four starting secondary spots. I mean, Belton
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: and Pinnock are your safeties, Phillips spot or you know
• 50:29
  Speaker 6: even the other guys that know one has heard of
• 50:31
  Speaker 6: are your other cornerbacks. You're just kind of patchwork in
• 50:34
  Speaker 6: the line with you know, guards who you know might
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: or might may or may not even be upgrades over
• 50:41
  Speaker 6: what they had. They still have not figured out the
• 50:44
  Speaker 6: center position and the guys that they you know, guys
• 50:47
  Speaker 6: that they're signing to play center are not even working
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: out and they're not even getting the reps there anymore.
• 50:53
  Speaker 6: Like everything to me with this team is there's a
• 50:56
  Speaker 6: disconnect between what the front office thinks about, you know,
• 51:01
  Speaker 6: who these players are and what they actually are. Just
• 51:03
  Speaker 6: like even the way they Okay, we're gonna go out
• 51:07
  Speaker 6: and draft a weapon for Daniel Jones because we can't
• 51:10
  Speaker 6: draft the quarterback, but we were trying to trade up
• 51:12
  Speaker 6: to number three to get Drake May, who I feel
• 51:16
  Speaker 6: like they just like rump Drake May in with Daniels
• 51:20
  Speaker 6: and uh, you know Caleb Williams. Like no, Like there
• 51:24
  Speaker 6: was a big, I think tear drop from the number
• 51:27
  Speaker 6: two to number three. So the fact that they were
• 51:29
  Speaker 6: even willing to bet the farm on on on.
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: Drake May, like that in itself is a word.
• 51:36
  Speaker 6: It's like, I just nothing that the Giants have done,
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: in my opinion, has been smart and nothing has really
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: added to to them in my opinion, being able to
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: win more games, Like you have a defensive line, but
• 51:52
  Speaker 6: you're gonna overwork them. They're gonna be everything's gonna be
• 51:55
  Speaker 6: on them because their secretary is not gonna be able
• 51:57
  Speaker 6: to hold up, so it might it might be all
• 51:58
  Speaker 6: or not. And let's say one of those guys misses
• 52:00
  Speaker 6: a couple of games here and there. Let's say Birds
• 52:03
  Speaker 6: missus or Lawrence miss Like, now you're back to one
• 52:05
  Speaker 6: good one great defensive lineman, one okay, one with a
• 52:08
  Speaker 6: lot of potential, a shitty secondary, some expensive linebackers that
• 52:12
  Speaker 6: can only do so much.
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: A guy like, It's just I just don't like this
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: team at all.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: I think this problem is, you know what the problem is.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: I just want Raybond to tell us how he feels like.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: I don't feel like I'm getting a real.
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: J Jones stakes.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: Wins.
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: I mean, this could be the worst team in the
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: National Football League this year.
• 52:33
  Speaker 6: I think this team, I just I just I feel
• 52:35
  Speaker 6: like Gable spoiled us. He kind of you know, they
• 52:40
  Speaker 6: massively overachieved in that first year. And you know there's
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: anchoring bias, right, because that was our first impression.
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: Of Dabel and I think he's he's fine.
• 52:48
  Speaker 6: But I don't think in Marrow that's a big problem
• 52:51
  Speaker 6: because you saw, if you watch hard not how Mara
• 52:54
  Speaker 6: was always in the office with Shane and I'm sure
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: that's hanging over Shane and influencing some of these stilly
• 52:58
  Speaker 6: decisions in himself. But like, why why would you not
• 53:01
  Speaker 6: address cornerback when you have to guard ce Ceedee Lamb
• 53:05
  Speaker 6: the leading receiver in the National Football League A J.
• 53:07
  Speaker 6: Brown and DeVante Smith, both of those twice a year. Uh,
• 53:11
  Speaker 6: Terry McLaurin with a new rookie quarterback, Like, I just
• 53:14
  Speaker 6: don't understand how you don't address cornerback and the secondary.
• 53:17
  Speaker 6: And then you're like, oh, yeah, well I'll have to
• 53:18
  Speaker 6: suit up and play corners. What is Joe Shane's joking?
• 53:21
  Speaker 6: Like that's not a joke, but this is this is
• 53:24
  Speaker 6: this could this is gonna get bad really fast. And oh,
• 53:26
  Speaker 6: we don't even know if Daniel Jones is the guy.
• 53:28
  Speaker 6: But and oh, by the way, all their draft picks
• 53:31
  Speaker 6: were for need, so yeah, maybe you lucked into neighbors
• 53:34
  Speaker 6: because you had the number six pick because you stunk
• 53:36
  Speaker 6: last year. But after that, it was like, oh, well,
• 53:39
  Speaker 6: so we need a tight end, so let's go get
• 53:41
  Speaker 6: this guy, and we need to we need a safety,
• 53:43
  Speaker 6: so oh he was the last guy we would take
• 53:44
  Speaker 6: there that that we could start. Oh and then they
• 53:48
  Speaker 6: they freaking It seems like every they don't even know
• 53:50
  Speaker 6: who their good players are. It's like, oh, let's draft
• 53:52
  Speaker 6: another running back and already put him, you know, number
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: two on the depth chart in Tyrone Tracy and then
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: Eric Gray, the guy you drafted last year is that's
• 54:00
  Speaker 6: playing the best. So it's like, I don't think they
• 54:02
  Speaker 6: self scout well clearly, and I just I just think
• 54:07
  Speaker 6: this the bottom is gonna fall from this team. And
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: I'm Daniel Jones. He's a known quantity at this point too. Like,
• 54:13
  Speaker 6: he's not the worst quarterback in the wine. He can
• 54:15
  Speaker 6: run with him, he can make some throws, but he's
• 54:17
  Speaker 6: not gonna.
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: Win you games. He's not winning you games. And that's
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: what this team needs.
• 54:22
  Speaker 6: It needs a Jaden Daniel type quarterback that's gonna win
• 54:25
  Speaker 6: you games. And I'm just not convinced that they have that,
• 54:28
  Speaker 6: and even her backup, like they they might have to
• 54:30
  Speaker 6: start Tommy de Vito again.
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: Is this is?
• 54:33
  Speaker 6: I mean, this team could be so so bad. I
• 54:37
  Speaker 6: can't believe you guys don't see that ship like this
• 54:39
  Speaker 6: team is. They got a great defensive line, big whoop, Simon.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: Right now, I'm betting the Giants worst team in the NFL.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Are you I feel like Raymond just did an excellent
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: trave to convince me.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: It was like, a, well, it's his favorite team, that's why.
• 54:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a good but I can the Giants
• 55:01
  Speaker 6: at times, like I know, but I.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Know you know too much though, that's your problem, right, Yeah.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: I feel the passion right now, like he is so
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: deep in this thing. Is what happened when your team
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: is on hard knocks, you are like, I'm still upset
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: that that Bears kid who stripped down to his undies.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: Got hurt from that first preseason.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, so, like I understand the emotion Raybond is playing
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: with here, but listen, as a precursor to our convinced
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: me show, you fucking convinced me on the Giants.
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: It feels like you were taking over six and a
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: half Simon.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: So I mean, I love the over.
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna fight you guys on. It's definitely one
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: of these teams where it's like I just said it,
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: they could Chris said.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: They could be one of the worst teams of football.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: It would be shocked that he doesn't feel like to me, like,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: as I want to run down our favorite bets here,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: I'm really only coming away with a consensus Eagles Cowboys.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's pretty damn good chot.
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: The Eagles fade the Cowboys.
• 56:00
  Speaker 6: But it's just like Simon, you're gonna you're You're not
• 56:03
  Speaker 6: gonna want to in like week six. You're not gonna
• 56:05
  Speaker 6: want to look at your bank roll and seek and
• 56:08
  Speaker 6: I know you're a big I know you're a big better.
• 56:10
  Speaker 6: You're not gonna want to see like five six figures
• 56:12
  Speaker 6: on Daniel Jones instead of Jade and Daniels, Like, You're
• 56:15
  Speaker 6: just gonna be like, No, Matt Eberflus is the only
• 56:22
  Speaker 6: dude that I could switch his whole slag up with
• 56:25
  Speaker 6: the beard like Dan.
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: I know you know, I'm drinking the kool Aid, Bro,
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: you can't can't get in. I'm literally I've drank the
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: kool Aid. I'm in on the Giants.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: I'm bad. I'm bad.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: I love this though.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: This is great, So Raybon would probably lean forget about
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: egos and cowboys for a second. Raybon, you give me
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: a commander's bet. Are you saying you would like to
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: be over on the commanders at six and a half
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: or do you not have any bets on the commanders
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: at this point?
• 56:51
  Speaker 6: I would say I still think the NFC is gonna
• 56:54
  Speaker 6: be a go both both conferences, just because there's yeah,
• 56:58
  Speaker 6: I think like ten o eleven would gimme so all right,
• 57:01
  Speaker 6: So I don't like. I don't like the win total
• 57:03
  Speaker 6: over I would. If I'm betting the Commanders, I want
• 57:05
  Speaker 6: to bet big. So my favorite Commander's bet is Jadeen
• 57:08
  Speaker 6: Daniels Rookie of Offensive Rookie of the Year plus four
• 57:11
  Speaker 6: seventy five. I have him projected to be a better
• 57:14
  Speaker 6: fantasy quarterback than Caleb Williams because of the rushing upside,
• 57:18
  Speaker 6: and if he's statistically better than Caleb Williams, even if
• 57:22
  Speaker 6: Williams throws for more yards, Daniels will have a shot
• 57:25
  Speaker 6: to win that award. So I like that. And then
• 57:28
  Speaker 6: I think long shot Commanders Division at nine to one
• 57:33
  Speaker 6: because we know it's probably not going to be the
• 57:35
  Speaker 6: Cowboys given the NFC East's history, and if for some reason,
• 57:39
  Speaker 6: you know, maybe Jaalen Hurts gets hurt for an extended period,
• 57:42
  Speaker 6: or you know what if something goes wrong with the Eagles,
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: I think the Commanders are in position to pounce because again,
• 57:49
  Speaker 6: Jayden Daniels, just like you saw Stroud do, and we've
• 57:52
  Speaker 6: seen countless rookie quarterbacks do in years past. He could
• 57:56
  Speaker 6: change his whole culture, and he could single handedly be
• 57:59
  Speaker 6: responsible for this team turning from a terrible team to
• 58:04
  Speaker 6: an average or even a slightly above average team as
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: soon as this year. So that's how I'm looking at
• 58:10
  Speaker 6: the Commanders. I want no parts of like I I
• 58:13
  Speaker 6: just don't see that for Daniel Jones. So I'm thinking
• 58:15
  Speaker 6: of Commander's mate. Finally, you know, just start hammering the Giants.
• 58:19
  Speaker 6: The Giants usually have their the you know, the edge
• 58:23
  Speaker 6: in those matchups for some reason. But yeah, I think
• 58:25
  Speaker 6: long shot Commander's bets is what I want. So Jayden
• 58:28
  Speaker 6: Daniels and the long shot division.
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: Simon, I will give you the Giants over six and
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: a half.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Giants over six and a half.
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: And if if you're really make me better on WASHT,
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: I'm just slightly towards the under at six ones.
• 58:41
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• 58:45
  Speaker 1: I did not expect it to go that way at
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