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Ep. 395 - Of Unknown Origin (1983) · Frightmares

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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to Frightmares Podcast. I'm your host, Austin Proctor,
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  Speaker 3: and joining me today for episode 395 is my beautiful wife,
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  Speaker 3: Gabrielle Proctor.
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  Speaker 1: It's me.
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  Speaker 3: It's you, Gabrielle. Today, I'm still pulling up my shit here,
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  Speaker 3: so give me some elevator music.
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  Speaker 1: Do-do-do.
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  Speaker 3: That's Napoleon Dynamite.
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  Speaker 1: Damn it.
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  Speaker 3: Don't you fucking dare. Anyways, today on another installment of
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  Speaker 3: Animagus Attack, we're discussing our international pick of our... I
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  Speaker 3: give up. I fucking give up.
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  Speaker 1: It's full screen and maybe you can read that.
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  Speaker 3: Dolly Parton's dead. Tim Curry's dead. This Lindsay Gracie trial
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  Speaker 3: is fucking going on. I can't. I can't. That's huge.
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  Speaker 3: That's what she said. Holy shit. That's so... That's so...
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  Speaker 3: This episode is already fucked. How do I minimize this? Oh,
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  Speaker 3: help me!
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  Speaker 1: Hit the escape button, ding dong! Help me, Tom Cruise!
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  Speaker 3: Here we go.
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  Speaker 2: Of own.
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  Speaker 3: I can't.
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  Speaker 1: Of unknown origin.
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  Speaker 3: From 1983. I'm restarting.
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  Speaker 1: 21-liner about the movie.
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  Speaker 3: This is... Good Christ. Should we redo that or should
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  Speaker 3: we just roll with it?
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  Speaker 1: A movie that teaches us that men really do be
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  Speaker 1: doing too much.
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  Speaker 3: Let's see where this lands in the nightmare index. Oh, God.
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  Speaker 3: What's it like? What are the symptoms for psychosis?
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the important stuff. Get there.
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  Speaker 3: Whoa. What are we talking about?
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  Speaker 1: The director.
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  Speaker 3: The director? The director. What have we been watching?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, we should talk about that.
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  Speaker 3: Jesus.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. What haven't I been watching? I'm just kidding.
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  Speaker 1: I'm re-watching Supernatural, everybody.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, great. I'm so happy for you.
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  Speaker 1: It's happening again.
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  Speaker 3: I can't commit. I can't. I can't.
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  Speaker 1: It's like 5,000 episodes, so I get it.
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  Speaker 3: This episode is brought to you by Monster. No, I'm
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  Speaker 3: just kidding. I wish. If you want to sponsor me,
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  Speaker 3: go for it. Yeah. Anyway. Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: We've mostly been watching Cinderella and Snow White back to back.
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  Speaker 1: Our daughter has a new obsession. I did watch a
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  Speaker 1: couple of movies with you, which I'm assuming you've already
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  Speaker 1: talked about. Nightborne and Hellcat.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you can still talk about them. My opinions
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  Speaker 3: are different than yours.
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  Speaker 1: Me too saw them.
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  Speaker 3: Nightborne. Great review.
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  Speaker 1: Nightborne was.
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  Speaker 3: Rupert Grint and Finnish Lady. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: It was a very unsettled metaphor for women suffering from postpartum.
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  Speaker 1: Hellcat was really interesting. I'm never going to recover from
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  Speaker 1: that ending.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I don't think anyone will.
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  Speaker 1: But really cool concept. I did enjoy that. I rewatched
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  Speaker 1: Raising Helen from 2004. Sure. In loving memory of Hayden Panettiere.
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  Speaker 1: who also passed away last week.
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  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, golly, that felt like, at this point, that
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  Speaker 3: feels like centuries ago.
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  Speaker 1: Well, considering Dolly Parton and Tim Curry just went, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that just kind of really distracted.
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  Speaker 3: There's our three, so... fucking chill everybody's good like let's
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  Speaker 3: let's just stop with the bullshit universe.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway Raising Helen which is about a girl who
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  Speaker 1: ends up her sister's her sister and her husband die
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  Speaker 1: so the woman ends up raising her three kids the
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  Speaker 1: three kids.
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  Speaker 3: Okay like you gotta stop taking after me I'm rubbing
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  Speaker 3: off on you.
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  Speaker 1: Which instead of this older sister Joan Cusack taking the
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  Speaker 1: kids at the time I was like Kate Hudson's not
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  Speaker 1: that young why is it such a big deal Oh yeah. No, no.
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  Speaker 1: I looked up the ages raising Helen. Kate Hudson was
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  Speaker 1: 25 in this. And now I understand why, um, is that,
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  Speaker 1: is that young to be take B to being a
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  Speaker 1: guardian of a 16 year old, a 12 year old
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  Speaker 1: and a nine year old. I think it is, or no, she,
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  Speaker 1: I think the youngest is younger than that.
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  Speaker 3: True.
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  Speaker 1: Just like, Oh yeah, that is a lot of responsibility
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  Speaker 1: for a 25 year old. Um, No wonder they were
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  Speaker 1: all like, can you do that? I'm like, yeah. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: she's an adult. Yeah, she's 25. That's a little bit
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  Speaker 1: different kind of adult. No shade to any 25-year-olds that
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  Speaker 1: are raising three kids. Damn. Good for you. Impressed. But
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, shit. She's 25. The guy who
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  Speaker 1: plays her love interest is actually older than her older sister.
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  Speaker 1: He's like 13 years older than her. And I was like, wow.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So that was more shocking than anything. Rewatched Practical Magic
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  Speaker 1: in preparation for the new movie coming out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I was irritated when you said, oh,
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  Speaker 3: me and Heather are going to watch Practical Magic. And
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  Speaker 3: I was like, you ruined all my surprises because Practical
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  Speaker 3: Magic was showing up on 4K Steelbook in like a
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  Speaker 3: couple days. And it was the day before it was
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  Speaker 3: supposed to arrive. And you said, we're going to watch it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, I fucking can't stand you.
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  Speaker 1: What's hilarious is we're hanging out in my office tomorrow night.
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  Speaker 1: So we could have watched it then.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 1: But we didn't want to risk it.
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  Speaker 3: I know, I know. And I didn't want to tell
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  Speaker 3: you not to because I didn't want to tell you
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  Speaker 3: to ruin the surprise.
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  Speaker 1: I was very surprised.
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  Speaker 3: You ruined my surprise.
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  Speaker 1: And very appreciative.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Also re-watched Ready Player One. Wow. For fun.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I was trying to put on something live action. I'd
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  Speaker 1: watched Snow White 17 times.
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  Speaker 3: I'll go fucking live action. That's not even live. Some
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  Speaker 3: of them all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, something that was more like not full 2D animation.
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  Speaker 1: I'll go fuck myself.
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  Speaker 3: I'll watch that by myself, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: Then I saw Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma.
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  Speaker 3: I'm leaving all this in. I'm not even going to
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  Speaker 3: edit this episode.
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  Speaker 1: If I don't, I don't want you to.
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  Speaker 3: I've got too much to do, and I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: have too much time on my hands here in the
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  Speaker 3: near future.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, saw that one. What a wild time. Can't
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  Speaker 1: wait for you to get to see it so we
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  Speaker 1: can talk about it. So I'm not going to say
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  Speaker 1: too much about it, but that I really enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 3: I tried to see it last night.
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  Speaker 1: AMC did not want you to go.
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  Speaker 3: No. I'll tell you my story. my experience here in
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  Speaker 3: just a second. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, and then you and I watched the Idaho murders
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  Speaker 1: college nightmare, which was crazy. Um, not as crazy as
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  Speaker 1: the one we're currently watching, but we haven't finished that yet.
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  Speaker 3: So, and that dude, I don't even know how to
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  Speaker 3: fucking rate these things anymore. Do I rate them? You know,
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  Speaker 3: do I give them more stars for how pissed off
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  Speaker 3: I am at the end? Like, I don't know. I
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  Speaker 3: watched one a couple of days ago, which I'll go ahead. Sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I know it's going to say I personally try to
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  Speaker 1: rate them not based on the true crime itself, but
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  Speaker 1: of the quality of the documentation they give. Like, are
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  Speaker 1: these real, authentic interviews?
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  Speaker 3: True.
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  Speaker 1: Is this a good way to present this story? Does
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  Speaker 1: it feel respectful to the people involved? Do they actually
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  Speaker 1: bother with what the resolution was, good or bad? Or
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  Speaker 1: are they building up to nothing? And so.
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  Speaker 3: Usually I just go by how crazy it is.
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  Speaker 1: I rate it because, I mean, these are horrific things
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  Speaker 1: that happen to real people. So I try not to
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  Speaker 1: rate it on that. I rate it more, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: unless it's Tiger King, then that's a whole other thing.
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  Speaker 1: But especially when it comes to murders and things like that.
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  Speaker 3: True.
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  Speaker 1: And kidnapping.
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  Speaker 3: Animals is fine, apparently.
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  Speaker 1: Those kinds of true crimes, I try to rate based
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  Speaker 1: on how they presented the story in... And how they
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  Speaker 1: treated the subject in regards to those involved. Because there's
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  Speaker 1: been ones where it just felt like they were shitting
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  Speaker 1: on the people that died. And you're like, yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to rate this lower. Or they got to
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  Speaker 1: no point. They never went anywhere. Well, I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to rate that very well. Because even if the resolution's bad,
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  Speaker 1: you need to finish what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 3: No, I agree. Yeah. I called for help twice. And
• 9:24
  Speaker 3: not a fuck you, what do you need, or nothing. Sorry.
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: That was such a... I'm so glad we were around
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  Speaker 1: to experience it with everybody else in the midst of
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  Speaker 1: the COVID nightmare.
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  Speaker 3: That was the greatest thing to come out of COVID.
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  Speaker 1: I'm grateful we got to live in the Tiger King
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  Speaker 1: bubble when it was happening because we all needed that.
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  Speaker 1: Not that that man deserves any good things because he
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: did terrible things to tigers and he was nuts. But
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  Speaker 1: the fact that we all got to live in that
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  Speaker 1: bubble together.
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  Speaker 3: You're not wrong. I think when I, man, what was it?
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  Speaker 3: There was a documentary we watched where I actually looked
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  Speaker 3: at you and said, you know what? This is the
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  Speaker 3: first time I'm watching a documentary where I'm not really
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  Speaker 3: liking how they put this together. And I factored that
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  Speaker 3: into my rating, but I can't remember what it was.
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  Speaker 3: And the last couple I've watched have just pissed me
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  Speaker 3: off to the point where I'm like, Oh my God. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: one of them was free fall, a reckoning for Boeing Netflix, original,
• 10:27
  Speaker 3: the craziest shit you'll ever do. If you ever get, uh,
• 10:30
  Speaker 3: ever need to fly in your life, don't watch it.
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  Speaker 3: So that was my mistake. I fucked up on that one.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know why I wanted to watch controversy surrounding.
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  Speaker 3: airplanes and 787s, which I've definitely flown on. So if
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  Speaker 3: you are already afraid of flying, don't bother. I watched
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  Speaker 3: it for you and I'm never going to fly on anything.
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  Speaker 3: That's not an Airbus 320 anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you say, wait, you're saying, wait till I'm on
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  Speaker 1: a plane next month.
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  Speaker 3: And what kind of plane are you flying? Are you
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  Speaker 3: flying on an Airbus A320? Cause if, if so, you're fine.
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  Speaker 3: If it's a 787, I would cancel that trip so fast.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't think they're going to let me fly it. Um,
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: but you know, I'll check.
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  Speaker 3: So, yeah, that was horrifying. I'm already nervous when it
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  Speaker 3: comes to flying. I mean, who wouldn't be? It's a
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  Speaker 3: tin can 30,000 feet in the air.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how you know what kind of plane
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  Speaker 1: you're on.
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  Speaker 3: It should say like A320 or 787. It should tell you.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, who are you flying with? JetBlue. Maybe they
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  Speaker 3: don't tell you. I don't know. Look it up later.
• 11:31
  Speaker 3: Look it up later. But anyways, there was one great part.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's all great because it's crazy how Boeing
• 11:37
  Speaker 3: got away with this for so long, but when they're
• 11:39
  Speaker 3: being deposed or whatever, I think I saw this on
• 11:42
  Speaker 3: Tik TOK, but there's, there's a guy named Senator Hawley.
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  Speaker 3: He asked the CEO of Boeing. He's like, what exactly
• 11:48
  Speaker 3: do you get paid for to like, we get paid
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  Speaker 3: to do is like, I get paid to run Boeing
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  Speaker 3: making $ 32 million a year. Crazy shit. So that one
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  Speaker 3: got a four just because it was unbelievable. Then we
• 11:58
  Speaker 3: watched the Idaho murders. I watched one. Oh fuck. What
• 12:02
  Speaker 3: was it called? Something catfish, teenage catfish. Hold on.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, is that the one with the... Yeah. Oh, you
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  Speaker 1: finally saw that one, because I.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, did you see that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, I didn't know. Yeah, that one's insane.
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  Speaker 3: I can't... To be... to be part of the fucking
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  Speaker 3: actual documentary and try to sit there and defend your actions.
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  Speaker 3: I know! I was like, I'm gonna fucking find you
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  Speaker 3: and light you on fire. What do you mean? And
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  Speaker 3: she started crying and shit. I was like, oh my God.
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  Speaker 3: I don't feel sorry for you at all. I mean,
• 12:33
  Speaker 3: I'm kind of spoiling shit here that we're revealing. It
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  Speaker 3: is a- No, it's.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty popular at this point. But the fact that she-
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: Oh my God! Like, taken being your bully to a
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  Speaker 1: whole new level.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. You lost me at, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, crazy. Absolutely insane.
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  Speaker 3: And that's why I haven't rated that one yet because
• 12:54
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know how to rate this. I've
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  Speaker 3: never been more mad at a documentary in my life.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: So that one's still TBD. Circle back around. I did
• 13:05
  Speaker 3: watch Buffet Infinity because it was on Shudder. That's the
• 13:09
  Speaker 3: weirdest movie I've seen in quite some time. If you
• 13:11
  Speaker 3: are a fan of Adult Swim, if you are a
• 13:14
  Speaker 3: fan of Too Many Cooks, well, I guess that's the
• 13:16
  Speaker 3: same thing, right? Unedited footage of a bear.
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: No, Adult Swim is the people that like.
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  Speaker 3: Did that.
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 13:23
  Speaker 3: If you're a fan of What's-His-Face, Who Did Too Many Cooks,
• 13:26
  Speaker 3: that's releasing Buddy this weekend. Something. It's just very strange.
• 13:32
  Speaker 3: It is entirely made up of commercials, basically, and it
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: just gets crazier and crazier. Then I watched Insidious Out
• 13:38
  Speaker 3: of the Further. We have a bonus episode coming out
• 13:41
  Speaker 3: on that one. Probably, what's today? Just be on the
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: lookout on YouTube. Rewatched Hereditary because I hate myself and
• 13:49
  Speaker 3: was specifically watching it for inspiration on cinematography because I
• 13:53
  Speaker 3: really enjoy that movie. Watched Bury the Devil, another movie
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: that we're going to have a bonus episode on. And
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: I mentioned it last week, but I talked to the
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  Speaker 3: director of that movie and that'll be out on YouTube.
• 14:06
  Speaker 3: And then for my cult movie challenge, it was, I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to fucking butcher this one, Polizio Chesky Week, which
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: is Eurocrime. And there was a whole bunch of giallo
• 14:16
  Speaker 3: movies I picked or that I could choose from. And
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: I picked, what have they done to your daughters? I
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: love giallo titles. Yeah. It's a horrifying movie though. It
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: took real life things that were happening in Italy in
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: the sixties and seventies. And, uh, was a kind of
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: a commentary on that. So while it was horrifying, it
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: was also based in reality. So I was like, oh, okay.
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: I did some research and you can read my whole review.
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: It did involve, um, Remember the, did you do trauma
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: with me from Dario Argento?
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: God, I can't keep track of which one's which.
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: It's the one where he made his daughter do the
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: nude scene.
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes. I took very big offense to that.
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: So did I. I got rid of any Argento material
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: that I owned after that because that's insane. But this
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: movie involves minors. However, the person that was playing a
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: 15-year-old was not actually underage because I was like, I
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  Speaker 3: swear to fucking Christ. if there's another underage person in
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  Speaker 3: a movie that is naked, I'm going to just boycott
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  Speaker 3: Italian cinema from this era. She was like 20, I think,
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  Speaker 3: when she did the movie. So I was like, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Still creepy.
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  Speaker 3: Still creepy, but also when you do the research about
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: what this movie is based on, I get it. But
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  Speaker 3: I was like, please don't tell. I was like, what
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: is it with Italy and just minor women that are naked? Like, stop.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to see this shit. So that one
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: was besides that. Was good. Four out of five. And
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  Speaker 3: I think that's it. I don't know. There's Buddy coming
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  Speaker 3: out this weekend that we're going to go see.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: That should be a lot of fun. I got to
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: get the guy's name. It's going to drive me crazy
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: if I don't get his fucking name. It's like Casper Kelly. God,
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: there we go. That guy. Too many cooks.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: There's definitely a C in there. I hope that helps.
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  Speaker 3: There's one C. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I said AC.
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  Speaker 3: AC. I don't know. That's all I've got. I'm mentally exhausted.
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  Speaker 3: Do you want to talk about a giant fucking rat?
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: Sure do.
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  Speaker 3: All right, let's go in.
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  Speaker 1: This has been on my watch list for so long.
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  Speaker 3: You are the reason that we're doing it on the show.
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  Speaker 1: I regret nothing.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: You know what's really frustrating about this movie is the
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: fact that when I bought the Blu-ray, it was out
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: of print from Screen Factory. So it was like, I
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: think I got it for like 35 or 40 bucks.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: Then Vinegar Syndrome puts out a 4K that I almost bought,
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: but I was like, I already own it. Let me
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: watch it first before I go buy in a movie
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: that I, you know, before I double dip on a
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: movie I haven't even watched. And thank God I didn't
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: watch it. Burying the lead early. Not a fan of
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: this movie. But anyways, so it's just, it's funny. I
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: could have just waited until Vinegar Syndrome put it out,
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: but I had no idea they were doing that. Anyways,
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: let's go into the, whatever this shit is, the cold open.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: Is that what we're doing?
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: The body count.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: The body count. Just completely out of it. I'm not
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: even supposed to be here today. So this is Of
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: Unknown Origin. Nailed it. First try from 1983, released on
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: November 23rd of that year in the U.S. It is
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: rated R, somehow, probably for the sex and nudity. There's
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: like two boobs in this movie. Moderate violence and gore.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: One on each side.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, mainly from a rat. Moderate profanity. I think he
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: says fuck one time at the end of the movie
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: in front of his child, which was great. Good parenting there.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Mild alcohol, drugs, and smoking, and moderate frightening and intense scenes.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: Thank God it was only an hour and 28 minutes.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: Listed as a horror thriller. which, when we talk about
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: this movie, I have questions. Directed by George P. Cosmatos,
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: who also directed Rambo First Blood Part II, which is
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: just a hilarious name to me. It's never not funny.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: Cobra and Tombstone.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: The important film.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: The important film. Also, director of Panos Cosmatos. So you
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: could say my expectations were extremely high for this movie,
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: because if you're not familiar with Panos Cosmatos' work, he
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: did Beyond the Black Rainbow. He did Mandy. He did...
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: a Cabinet of Curiosities episode. Can't remember the title of,
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: but it was also really great. Yeah. Expecting big things.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: What? I'm saying, his son aside, you do Tombstone. You
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: kind of expect some things.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: You do every 90s dad's favorite movie.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, true.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: And their children.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: Well, and I know Rambo First Blood Part II, which
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: is not confusing at all, was good. Cobra was fine.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Tombstone's the important one.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: The cinematic masterpiece. But it was like, I mean, you've
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: made Tombstone. I think this one definitely came out first.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, 100% good.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: But hey, you know what? You made Tombstone, okay?
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: That's the important thing.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: Written by Brian Taggart, who also wrote Visiting Hours, Poltergeist 3,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: and then hitting a home run here with Omen 4,
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: The Awakening. Composed by Kenneth Wanberg. He composed 13 episodes
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: of Alfred Hitchcock Presents. Cinematography by Renee... Verzier, who also
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: did the cinematography for David Cronenberg's Rabid, Death Ship, and
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Visiting Hours, edited by Roberto Silvi, who also edited Piranha 2,
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: The Spawning. Don't ever let James Cameron forget that he
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: directed that. I think I'm going to do a podcast
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: where I just release an episode on that every week.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: It's the same episode, just so we don't let him
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: forget because he hates that he made that movie.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Good, good, good.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: And I love that he hates it. Leviathan and Tombstone. good.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Starring Peter Weller as Bart Hughes, he was in RoboCop
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: as RoboCop.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: What?
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: You know what's really funny is my introduction to Peter
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Weller was through Dexter. That's how I found, like, and
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: then I watched RoboCop and I was like, that voice
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: and face is familiar. So yeah, I saw Dexter. I
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: saw him in Dexter before I saw him in RoboCop.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: You got Jennifer Dale as Laurie Wells. She was also
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: in The Shrouds, David Cronenberg's recent-ish movie that I still
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: haven't seen, as Myrna Shovlin. Lawrence Dane as Elliot Riverton.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: He was in Scanners as Brayden Keller. And then we
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: have Kenneth Welsh as James Hall. I did this before
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: I watched the movie, so half these people aren't even
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: fucking stars. I wouldn't call them that, but you know.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: I'd specifically say it's Peter Weller and a rat.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah. The rat is the star of the show. And then,
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: like I said, Kenneth.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Him and that guy next door.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Cleet.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Cleet. Yeah.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Kenneth, which is a horrible name, as James Walsh, who
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: was in The Exorcism of Emily Rose as Dr. Mueller.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Estimated budget of $ 4 million, apparently only grossing $ 1. 1 million.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: Not shocked. Filmed in Montreal, Quebec.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Quebec.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Quebec. Canada, so barely international, but it is not America,
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: so it counts, just like Ginger Snaps last month. You
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: can rent this on Prime for a $ 2. 98 rental, apparently.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: I meant $ 2. 99. Movies that came out around the same time,
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: I say this every fucking week, but what a time
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: to be alive. Scarface, then completely juxtaposed in the opposite
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: direction with The Christmas Story, although both have, you know, powdery,
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: snowy backdrops. Christine, The Dead Zone. Which is crazy that
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: those are two Stephen King things. Never Say Never Again,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Terms of Endearment, The Right Stuff, Sleepaway Camp, Rumblefish, Amityville 3D,
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: The Mutilator, The Devonsville Terror, and Surf 2.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen eight of these.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: I'm not doing this. I'm sorry. It's my favorite game.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: You need to tell me the more one. I've seen five.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: You've seen Scarface. No, I haven't. You, oh, Jesus. Okay,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: you've seen A Christmas Story, because we have to talk
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: about how fucking boring that movie is. Christine. Yep. Did
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: I make you watch Terms? Did you watch Terms of
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Endearment with me?
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Sure did.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's three. Sleepaway Camp, and then Rumblefish.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen Rumblefish, but you skipped the Dead Zone.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, and you've seen The Devonsville Terror, because I showed
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: you that one.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: No, I don't remember that at all.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: That's why I hate this game. IMDb summary, a man
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: becomes destructively obsessed with killing a dangerous rat, which has
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: taken residence in his... Recently renovated house. Let's go into
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: the autopsy. See, this is where I get frustrated because
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: the letterbox fucking summary, not vastly different, but different enough
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: to give me the impression that it wasn't going to
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: be a single solitary rat. It says a man who
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: recently completed building a townhouse becomes obsessed with a rat
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: infestation until it becomes an interspecies duel. That is wildly inaccurate.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I get the duel part. Yeah. Yeah.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Maybe like the last 20, 30 minutes. So anyways, this
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: is literally a movie about a killer rat. I thought
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: it was going to be more of an infant. Like
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: I said, infestation of rats was, was very much waiting
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: for all of the, like, you know, Willard style. I've
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: never even seen that movie, but I know it's, it's
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: looking Crispin Glover in the remake with a bunch of rats.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: I think he like, it's like the Pied Piper and
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: controls them or something.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Kind of, yeah.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: And then there's a Willard from 1973, which I haven't seen,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: but there's more than one rat on the Blu-ray cover,
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: so I assume there's more than one rat. Yes. I
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: don't know. But overall thoughts of Unknown Origin, I hate
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: the name. It's entirely so too hard to say. What
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: do you got?
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: As noted by the book, he kept winging at this thing.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: It's very much a Moby Dick situation, but with a rat.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: There are parts where it just felt super long.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: The whole movie for me.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: There were times where it was just like for 88 minutes,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: this sure is still going somehow. And I kept thinking like,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: isn't this 88 minutes? I feel like this should have been,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: this should have felt faster than it was. But I also,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: there were some stuff I did enjoy about it because
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: like I was telling you while you were watching it,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: once you really like let go of the horror and
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: the thriller aspect and just look at the camp of
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: a man absolutely losing his shit and going just full
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: crazy in his house without his family there over a rat.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: It just gets funnier.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: So get rid of the two genres that it's labeled
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: as on IMDb.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Like if you labeled this shit as a horror comedy
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: and cut it a little different, I would have fully
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: believed you.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. That's my problem with this movie.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: And Peter Weller just does this so straight and it
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: comes off so silly. And I did enjoy the way
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: they shot the rat and that the rat seemed to
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: kept growing and shrinking. And I was totally fine with
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: that only because I knew for logistical reasons they had to.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: And it made it funnier that sometimes this was a
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: normal rat and other times it was a dog sized rat.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: And it was entirely unclear what size this fucking rat was.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: And I just found that hilarious.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: Maybe due to the light of recent events in my life,
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: maybe I was just in a weird spot. But this
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: movie was just taxing to get through. And everyone at
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: this point should know me. I always look for the
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: good in movies. I was searching really hard for the
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: good in this movie.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I think you picked the wrong time to watch it too.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Maybe. But again, also, you know, when, when I, you
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: got to label your movie properly because even on letterboxd,
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: it still is just a horror thriller. There's no, actually
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: it's just horror. It felt like I was wondering, is
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: this an evil dead situation where they didn't really mean
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: for it to be funny, but it's funny.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: And they, but like at that point, Evil Dead had
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: come out. So Campy was kind of already around for
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: two years. Yeah.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, I think it works when
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: it's not intentional, but then it ends up that way
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: because I mean, this dude straight up runs out of
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: the bathroom and leaps into a hammock and like, where
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: the fuck did you get that hammock? And what's the plan?
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: It's tied to ropes.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Didn't.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: What's the plan? It's tied to ropes in the, to the,
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: each side of the room. Didn't show him setting that up.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: It just appeared.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: And he jumped in it like he's a 10-year-old boy.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: And that was hysterical. And it was just so silly.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: The crazier he got, I honestly think it would have also,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: they kind of just dropped the whole he's not paying
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: attention to his job thing. Like, he needs this big promotion.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: He is not paying a lick of attention to this
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: fucking promotion. And he's like, it is what it is, man.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: You take me or you don't.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: That's the long and the short of it. What? What?
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: And then you've got the wife and the kid who
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: are really unnecessary additions. And you've got the secretary who
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: he kisses, which was really random, who's also.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: Well, you're just going through the whole movie at this point.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Should we take it line by line here? Because I
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: want to. I got comments, you know.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: No, no, no. Sorry.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Go ahead. I was just saying that, no, it's just
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: like if they had cut it down to him, this rat,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: and sometimes the landlord next door.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: So much better.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: It would have been so much more encapsulated because those
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: other stuff, that just felt like time filler. Yeah.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think, and I'm pretty sure in
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: the 80s, well, I know there was a certain point
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: where you had to have a certain amount of run
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: time to be a feature length film.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: And maybe, you know, Maybe this came out in a
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: time where you had to be... Well, this was Canada.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: And it got... I don't know how wide of a
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: release it got if it only made a million dollars.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: But whatever. Continue. I'm sorry.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: No, no. You're fine. I was going to say, like,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: you know, unfortunately for this film, Mouse Hunt exists and
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: they did it better. I'm never going to recover from
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: some of the scenes in Mouse Hunt, okay?
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: You want to know a funny story about Mouse Hunt? What?
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: There's a scene in that movie where... A mouse goes
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: down a woman's shirt.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: And a guy goes to grab it. And that's the
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: extent of the movie I saw when I was a kid.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: Because my parents were like, uh-uh, turn that off. I
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: was like, this is a kid's movie.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I always remember that the rat trapping guy eats
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: a rat turd at one point.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Spoilers, man. I just said, I don't know.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Well, first off, we need to watch that because that's
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Nathan Lane.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Well, and also Adam Rifkin directed that. If you don't
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: know who that is, he directed Psycho Cop 2.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Jesus.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: So I can't wait to see. Yeah.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Sorry. Psycho Cop returns. My apologies. But yeah, he wrote
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Mouse Hunt and Small Soldiers and stuff like that. So
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: it's just kind of funny how he wrote all these
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: like kids movies and then did stuff like Psycho Cop.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Gore Verbinski directed it.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Who did The Ring and yeah. Literally
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: proving that Gore Verbinski can do any fucking genre he
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: sets his mind to. The man can do it all.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Mouse Hunt is the superior film. So I guess
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: if you want to watch that, we'll just write over
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: this review.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Superior to what?
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: To this one.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I was like superior. Man versus mouse or rat.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: That one has a 3-3.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: This one, well, don't, you know, we'll get to, I mean,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: people probably, this one has a 3-2. So it's right there.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know how.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: This has a 3-2, but whatever.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, you've got Nathan Lane versus- A mouse. And
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: that's not even a rat. It is a tiny mouse.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: All right, we're going to pause this movie here. Go
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: watch Mouse Hunt and come back and talk about that one. Anyway.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Now for Mouse Hunt.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: Now with more mouse. So I kind of had a
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: random stream of conscience as this movie was going on.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: Do you care if I kind of just blow through
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: this real quick?
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Go for it.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Go for it. Okay, so the first thing I wrote
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: down is, what is it with 80s kids in movies
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: and breakfast? Because Andy in Child's Play- made a fucking mess.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: This kid, Peter, or is it Peter? I don't even
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: know his name. He's in so little of this movie. Kid.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Making a mess with the cereal. The kids in Poltergeist
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: were like throwing, like what is it with 80s kids
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: in fucking specifically breakfast? I don't know.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Um, if you ever feel useless, please watch this movie
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: because there's a scene where Bart gets three kitchen towels
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: for a kitchen that is flooding. I don't have time
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: for this smack. I'm like, that's doing nothing.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Fantastic. You've done it.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: You've done it. You've cleaned all of the water up.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: There's one point eight minutes into this movie. It was
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: so fucking disjointed between eight 51 and 1102. We go
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: from Bart talking to his boss to a POV of
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: something in Bart's home. to Bart walking down the street,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: to Bart hearing something in his kitchen at home, to
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: the water scene I just mentioned, to him asleep in bed,
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: then glass, something fucking glass falls, and then the hand
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: walks over the camera, and then inside of a drain
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: pipe before panning up to the house. I was like,
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: what the fuck just happened? In two minutes, we were
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: all over the city.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: The rat's been busy.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Jeez. But it didn't make sense because the rat walks
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: over the glass. Then it's implied that it's in the sewer.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Those two minutes, that's why I was like, the cinematography
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: is crazy in this movie. What are we doing here?
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: What story are we trying to tell?
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Somebody really likes rat toe beans, though, because they were
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: just like, look how cute the little bitty feet are.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Were those actually rat toe beans?
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Did you look this up?
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: No, I owned a rat. I know what their feet
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: look like.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: I didn't know if it was fucking guy.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: No, no, those are really rat feet.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: Man, they must have had a telephoto lens or a
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: macro lens or whatever. The one that makes, you know,
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: small things.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: They're like, we're going to get into the atoms of
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: this rat.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: The plumber or handyman cleat. Yep. he's not in enough
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: of this movie, but I thought it was hilarious that
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: he was doing some plumbing work and they have a
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: shot of his ass, like hanging out of the sink,
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: but no plumbers crack. I was like, that was the
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: perfect time to have this, you know, ass hanging out
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: of his pants.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: That's, uh, proving Austin really wants to see some man ass.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you're going to be a plumber and
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: you're going to include a shot of the guy sticking
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: his ass out of the sink, where is the butt crack?
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: I'm just, that doesn't make any sense. Um, Could you
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: imagine being at a company dinner and a guy going
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: off about rats for two minutes? Because that was wild. Oh, yeah,
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: it was. They were like, Bart, are you paying attention?
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Rats?
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Let me tell you about these rats. Cleet, like I said,
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: is probably my favorite character and the strangest one at
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: the same time because he at one point says, rats
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: like to go for your private parts. They like the
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: softest part of your body. They'll eat right through your
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: eyes and go to your brain. What, Cleet?
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Thanks, Cleet.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: What, Cleet? And then for some reason, literally out of nowhere,
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Bart decides to just cheat on his wife and kisses
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: that broad, whatever her name was.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And it was like such a noncommittal cheat too.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: It was like, he just kind of looked at her
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: and was like, yeah, we could kiss right now. All right.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: That's enough of that. Bro, they're like, damn, you cheated
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: on your wife and you couldn't have the decency to
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: at least fully commit to cheating or even react to
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: the fact you were cheating. You were just like, well, anyway, rat. Yeah.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And I was telling you about that scene. Cause
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: it doesn't make sense. They pull up in a cab
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: and Bart's like, Hey, wait right here. She'll be right
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: out to me, implying that they were going to go
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: in and she would be back out. But then he,
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: the second after that, he looks at her and he's like,
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: all right, see you tomorrow. Right. She's like, I thought
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: I was supposed to come in and get the dog.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: She's like, Oh yeah, I must be on Mars. I'm like, okay.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: Then they go inside and they kiss for literally no reason.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: So now we're cheating.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Out of nowhere. Yeah.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Now we're cheating on our wives. And again, didn't need
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: to have a son or a wife because they fuck
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: off in the first 15 minutes and literally come back
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: right as the credits roll. You get a fucking dream
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: sequence with them, which was a cop out. And we'll
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: get to that in a minute. But yeah, totally unnecessary
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: for him to have a family whatsoever.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: And unnecessary for him to kiss. Who was she? His receptionist,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: his assistant. Because I got vibes off her immediately that
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: she was kind of interested in him. But he didn't
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: seem to give a shit. So then he kisses her
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: out of nowhere. And you're like, they had no chemistry.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Nor did he even look like he cared about her
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: at all. So what? Why are they kissing? And then
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: it never gets brought up again. Nothing ever happens with that.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: She's not like, I care about you. No, they kiss.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: And then it never happens.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: She does come back. at one point to his house
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: and yells at him through the walls. And he's like,
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: leave us alone.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: I'm busy with my rat.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: It's like, leave us alone. What are you like? You
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: and the rat are now one. What is happening?
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Are you, I bet.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: I don't understand.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: This was based on, had a lot more internal monologue
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: where you really got to see his mindset, where he's
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: shifting to how, where like, he's probably building up in
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: his head. This battle, because you get some of it
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: when you get to see him talking to the rat.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: He's like, I was wondering when you'd get to that,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: when the rat chews through the power.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I feel like if you had the book, you would
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: have gotten more of that, which would have been more
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: interesting to get more of how, in his mind, this
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: is getting built into something bigger and bigger, this battle
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: of wills between him and a rat. But you don't, so...
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: It's just, yeah.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Like, it's a fun... idea i think on paper and
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: you said it's basically moby dick i've never read moby
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: dick and in fact got it confused with the story
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: from the bible where that jona that dude gets caught
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: in the whale so it's like how the fuck is
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: this that story but apparently it's.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: It's jona and i know because i saw the veggie
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: tales movie in theaters and i had the toy from
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: the burger king uh i think it was burger king
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: probably um where it was like a whale soap.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Holder Yeah, so I thought you were talking about that.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: So apparently I've never read Moby Dick before, and that's
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: where the term white whale comes from. Like, that's my
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: white whale.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Moby Dick, that is the white whale.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: Didn't make any of that. 36 years old, by the way.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: I've never read it either.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I was just confusing it for Jonah and
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: the thing I was told at church or whatever. So
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It's a fun idea, and I like
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: the fact that, for the most part, it is a
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: bottle film. I mean, you see him at his job
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that, but there's a lot of stuff
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: that is like I said, on paper sounds great, but
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: the execution, I mean, I was just, it was just,
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: I was so bored. Even Peter Weller as an actor,
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: I was like, not your best work. Definitely not. He's
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: a fantastic actor from everything I've seen him in. And
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: then in this, I mean, this was his first kind
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: of starring role.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Yes, this was his first lead role.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Right. So I guess I can't expect, you know, I
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: guess Dexter, Robocop level, whatever the shit I've seen him in.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: But I don't know. He wasn't really working for me
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: and everyone else just seemed kind of there.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Like for a paycheck. I don't know. Yeah.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Like I said, they could have formatted this a little
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: differently and it would have been a they could have
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: added to the tenseness. It's probably some internal monologuing would
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: have been good. Some narration.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: I think that would have helped this film dramatically because
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: I think he does a great job of kind of
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: getting more frantic as time goes on.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Or even if he was talking out loud to the
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: rat more.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: That was the silliest part of the movie.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: I know, but I'm saying if he did it more,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: if he could really see his train of thought develop,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: like the descent, I think that would have helped. But
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: because you're watching it visually without, you're just kind of
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: having to infer the crazy for a little while, I
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: think it takes it, I think that's what slows it
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: down is there's so many silent moments.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: There is. And it's really, for the most part, because
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: his family is, I mean, you do get a few
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: phone calls from his wife, but again, it just feels
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: like time filler.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: It also feels like they sent that actress on vacation
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: and we're like, okay, sometimes you'll have to pick up
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: the phone.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: And that is probably one of the world's most punchable kids,
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: by the way. In the dream sequence that we get,
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: I was literally rooting for him to put the, you know,
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: to just eat, it was like, eat the poison. Cause
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: it was like, are you, I mean, this kid's like
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: gotta be what, five, six?
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: He's like four or five.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: That's a big four year old. I mean, I know
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: our daughter's almost four, but like.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Almost four, she just turned three. You need to chillax. Whoa.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: Whoa. Sorry, I know she just turned three, but that
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: kid seemed like he should be able to at least read. No.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, he might be able to read a little,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: but rat poison he probably can't read. And also, he
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: was clearly barely staring at the containers.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: He was making... First of all, he started off with
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: half and half. Terrible start. That's not even milk, and
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: it doesn't taste like milk that much. It's not as
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: sweet as milk. Then he put in fucking I don't
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: even know, and then rat poison. I was like, you
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: know what? Eat it at this point.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: That was both poisons. There were two kinds of poisons.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: I was like, just eat it. At this point, you
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: deserve it, because one, your parents are upstairs fucking... Terrible parenting.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: And two, you're the most punchable kid. I don't even care.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: The most realistic thing in that movie was when the
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: mom's like, yeah, your son's been dying to talk to you.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: And he runs over and says, he's like, hi, dad.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Hang up.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: What do I said? He's like, hi, dad. Like, come
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: here quick. Hang up.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, that was so realistic. Cause like, that's exactly what
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: a kid does. Okay. We're done now. Okay.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: Doesn't get a call back. Nothing.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: So.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: The only time you see, yeah, you see the mom
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: and I think four total scenes. The first scene you
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: see her in naked. Second scene is like a phone
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: call and phone call. And then she comes back at the,
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: or the, you know, the dream sequence, which I thought
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: was real. And it turns out it was just a nightmare,
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: which is, it's a weird thing to not only have
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: a nightmare about the, oh, you know, the, what's already
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: happening in the house with the rat, but you have
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: a nightmare involving your child eating poison.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: That, that, Yeah, the nightmare part of that was so odd.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: It was such a fuck you for a few reasons. Like, oh, okay.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it doesn't seem like he cares that much
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: what his family's doing. So I don't know why he
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: cares if his kid eats poison. also don't know why
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: he specifically dreamed about his kid eating poison not getting
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: attacked by the rat right the poison's in your control
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: dude so what that's.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: Very strange uh and i thought it was real because
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: this this was the second time that he was bone
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: trying to bone his wife while his kid was just
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: downstairs like This is not the time to be fucking, y'all.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: You have a kid downstairs. Go watch the kid.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Terrible time to try to be intimate.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Repeatedly leaving that kid unattended in the kitchen. And they're like,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: you made a mess. You guys were busy making out.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: Who can't even get to the bottom of a bag
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: of cereal to get the fucking toy out also, by
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: the way.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Should not be left unattended like that.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: The kid's not going to make it very far in
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: life if he can't get the toy out of a
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: box of cereal. That poor kid. But yeah, very punchable kid,
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: very terrible family dynamic. And I don't even really like
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Bart that much, especially after he kisses the lady. I'm like, well,
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: now I really don't like you and I don't care
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: how this movie ends. And the ending was so anticlimactic
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: because he just beats the rat to shit and then
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: his family comes home. What happened in here? Oh, I
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: had a party.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: What?
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: What?
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: It just ends so matter of factly.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: The way he just demolishes his whole fucking house.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: Over a rat. That he remodeled. They don't show any
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: of that, by the way. They just mention it a
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: couple times. Like, I built this from the ground up.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: I really would have believed that more if we saw
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: any montage of that.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Some lead up to that.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Some lead up. But no, he did all of this
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: by hand. At one point he said, nothing touched this floor. Like,
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: no mechanical things. All hand done. I was like. Okay,
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: something had to have, because you're telling me you cut
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: all of that wood by hand and didn't use a single, like,
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: jigsaw or, you know.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: I think they mean they didn't use any machines to
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: lay anything down. They did it by hand. However, as
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: a dude that's working that hard at his job... How
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: did he have time to... How did you have time
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: to remodel that whole thing from scratch? And also, you
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: couldn't deal with a rat problem and work at the
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: same time, but you could remodel a house.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. This movie makes no sense. Like
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: I was, I was waiting for the horror aspect of it,
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: but it was kind of campy. It felt like it
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: was darkly comedic. It was like, is this a creature feature?
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: What am I watching? It seemed like it wanted to
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: be all of these things at the same time. And
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: like these things can coexist fine, but there is this
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: movie never establishes to me what it wants to be.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: And it doesn't pick a lane. It tries to pick
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: all the lanes at all the time. And that's where
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: I think it falls apart because I didn't have fun
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: with it. I began to question this man's, what does
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: he even do? Is he an architect? Something?
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, I couldn't figure that out.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: He had a ruler at one point and was like
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: drawing things.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I think he was like an organizational, like a floor
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: plan kind of guy.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: But like, at what point, like why are we not,
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: at this point, just fucking tent the house and fog it? Like,
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: is that not an option? I told that to you.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: I was like, that's what they do with like insects
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: and shit.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Well, I think the problem is he said that he
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: couldn't get anyone to answer him back on the rat problem.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: He said he called 10 exterminators and nobody got back
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: to him.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: And then he did finally get one that he said
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: he was leaving the check under the mat for. And
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: when he called to say what the hell, they were like, oh,
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: your check was all ripped or whatever. Okay, I guess
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: I must have missed. Whatever, dude. I'm just saying you
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: could go to the store, the animal killer. Where do
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: you go get like the bug spray stuff that you
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: just set the bomb off and the. In the house.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, they have exterminator like.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: There we go.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Exterminator.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Go there and get a fogger for the house.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: That would easily kill the rat. Right?
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Are we on the same page?
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: I don't actually know how that works, so I can't
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: really comment, but it feels right.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: It kills. That's how they de-insect houses and shit.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: I know, but insects and rats are different, so I
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: How that works. I don't know. It's just, it's so
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: bizarre that he cannot seem to track down one. I mean,
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: I get it's a big rat. And also, is this
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: like a genetically mutated rat? Because this thing's fucking huge.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: It is New York.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: They don't get that big. I looked it up. They
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: were like, they get 15 to 18 inches max. That
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: was a, it was bigger than the cat because it
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: killed the cat. That was a dog-sized rat.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: That poor bastard cat. As soon as that cat went
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: in there, I'm like, man, that rat's going to murderate
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: that cat.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Came out of nowhere, too. It was just outside. He
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: was like, hey, putty. do I have a job for you?
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: And belly kissing a cat you just found on the
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: porch is wild behavior.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: But then he claims it as his own cat because
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: he's like, it killed my cat. I was like, but
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: was that your cat? Because we only saw it when
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: it was outside.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: He said you fed it weak old oysters. So clearly
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: you weren't planning on keeping that cat alive for super long.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: It's just, I don't know. And the rat is cool practically,
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: but you don't see it for long enough. It was
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: too many quick flashes. You said you liked the cinematography
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: with the rat.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: I did. I thought it was like so aggressive.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: That's what turned me off from it. I was like,
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: this is too crazy.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Like, have you ever seen a rat this close before?
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, you guys are just like
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: getting up in there. And then like the up close
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: is like, look at this menacing fucking rat. And I
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: found that really amusing that they were like, you know,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: we could just show the rat running around in the
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: distance and But now we're going to get up in
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: those fucking teeth.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: I think because, like you said earlier, the scale of
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: this thing was horrible. They would cut the close-ups of
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: what is clearly a regular-sized rat. And then the next
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: thing you see, it's a giant lump under the bed
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: the size of, like I said, a small dog. So
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: the scale of this thing was just not, it was
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: completely inconsistent. And they could only really, I'm assuming because
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: of the difference in sizes, they could only focus on
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: it for so long before they had to cut away.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: So that's why the editing in this was a little hectic.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: And I get it kind of adds to the whole
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: he's losing his mind, but also my eyes. It needs
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: to be aesthetically pleasing to watch. And a lot of
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: it wasn't because it was just crazy zooms and quick cuts.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: If you're going to commit to a giant rat, make
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: it to where you can have it on screen longer
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: than a couple seconds at a time. Just me?
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, I get that. I would have liked
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: to have seen the full rat at some point, but
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: we didn't get to.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: He jumps on his back at one point?
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: No, I'm saying like where you get a chance to
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: actually see it, not when it's blurring around on his spine.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. If you're going to make a
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: big rat, then make a big fucking rat. I want
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: to see this thing. There should be one shot, at
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: least one, where you're like, wow, that's crazy.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: They could make a giant rat for the Princess Bride.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: If they could make those, you could make this.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: They made Hail Ratma for one of the VHS things,
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: the sewer rat. That thing was fucking awesome. You made
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: a rat head.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll be finished one day.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: Is this just going to be our job at this
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: point to watch old movies like werewolf cycle movies, cycle
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: of fucking werewolves on cycles, motorcycle werewolves, werewolves on wheels?
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: You got there. You did it.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: Do we need to just start doing that?
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: At this point?
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: I think we could still get Peter Weller.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Huh?
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: You think we could still get Peter Weller?
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's probably not up to much.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Is he up to fighting a rat?
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Is he up to fighting like an even bigger rat?
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, we go so big on the rat,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: it is visibly a person and a leotard and a
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: rat head. And he's just like, yeah, it's crawling through
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: my walls. And it's just like them tiptoeing by like,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: what the fuck?
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: I'd rather him get bit by the rat and then
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: turn into a rat. We got to stop putting all
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: these ideas out there. This is how they get stolen.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: This is how your ghost dog idea got stolen. Exactly.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: That was already in production when I had that idea.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Bullshit it was. Anyways, that's how we, yeah. You talked
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: about that in The Conjuring. I wish I could see
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: a movie from the dog's perspective. Fucking good boy comes out.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: Telling you. Someone heard that and made that movie.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my idea was totally different.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: But it was still.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: It's similar, but I would have done it. I would
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: have done it.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Not that I didn't think.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: You spoke that movie into existence because it was two
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: years before that movie came out.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Did.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Just saying. Anyways. So I guess that's going to be
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: our thing now. We're going to just go into the
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: business of taking old movies that promised me something much
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: better than what I got. And I mean, I guess
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: this didn't really promise me anything outside of a terrible
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: name to pronounce of unknown origin. Too many uh-uh-uhs. I
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: really thought it was going to be an infestation of rats.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: I wanted to see rats, Indiana Jones style, pouring out
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: of the walls. Jesus. Like, why did it have to be? Oh, no,
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: that's snakes. Fuck. Not rats. No, they're underground at one
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: point in one of the Indiana Jones movies.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: But he doesn't say rats. He's just like, yeah, there's
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: fucking rats everywhere. That's when they're in.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: The- That's when they're in the underground Venice.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And the fire and shit. Okay, so yeah, there's, yes,
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: An explosion.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Dirty rat water. The one Nazi lady that he
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: should have not trusted.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Something.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: I can't remember which one that was.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Well, she was blonde and had boobs. So, I mean,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: what was he supposed to do?
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Miriam apparently just fucked off. Welcome to the Indiana
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: Jones podcast. So, yeah, most of this movie did not
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: work for me. Outside of the... God, I just don't...
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to be positive here. I don't have much
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: else to say that's positive. Everything else is pretty negative.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: What did you like?
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: I told you everything I liked.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Look, I think the only appropriate thing to do is
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: for you to watch 9 to 5.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: What the fuck does that have to do with Of
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: Unknown Origin?
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Dolly Parton died.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: And that's a good movie.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: You're welcome.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: Okay. Not Steel Magnolias.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: I don't want to cry. Do you want to cry?
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: I've been needing to for so long.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: And yet. And yeah and yet you will not watch
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: dead poet society i don't want to watch it i
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: don't yeah so you don't want to cry that bad
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: that is.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: A movie where the trailer is not reeling me in
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: at all and you're like well it's not a good
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: representation fucking that's on that's on the filmmakers then terrible
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: trailer terrible.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Trailer okay it's proof that um The people who make
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: the trailers or sometimes the people that market do not
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: properly market for the film or the audience. And like,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: for example, Jennifer's body is clearly a bisexual panic horror comedy. Right.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: but they marketed it to men instead.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: With Megan Fox. Yeah, exactly.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: And then it bombed because the people it was made
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: for didn't see it because it looked like it was
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: just a Megan Fox thing.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, and to be fair, like I mentioned on the
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: episode that we did about Jennifer's body, the world was
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: not ready for a bisexual cheerleader who was eating boys.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: No one was ready for that in 2009.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: And then on the other side, and then another example
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: I just saw recently, John Carter- The movie where the
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: guy is on Mars and he's helping fight an alien battle.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: John dies at the end?
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: No, John Carter.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, no.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: It was made by Disney. Came out in the late 2000s.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: And it was marketed. So it was based on a
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: book called The Princess of Mars. So they didn't want
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: to call it that.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: That's a wildly different name.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: That's the book it's based on. And they didn't want
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: to base it on that. Because they didn't think boys
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: would see it if there was the word princess in
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: the title. So they wanted to change it to John
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Carter of Mars. Wow. Except moms attack Mars or whatever.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: That stupid animated kids movie where the aliens kidnap the moms.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: came out the year before, so they didn't want to
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: be associated with that. They also didn't think girls would
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: see it if the On Mars part was there.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, just fucking scrap the movie.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: So they were like, fuck it, we're just gonna call
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: it John Carter so nobody knew what it was about.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: And then nobody saw it. And it was supposed to
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: be a series that crashed and burned because no one
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: could market it correctly.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: Gender norms are so strange, dude. Or, you know, sorry,
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: air quote gender norms. Let me specify.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: We can't say princess or, I mean, Rapunzel Tangled was
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: straight up marketed by Flynn Rider because they didn't think
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: boys would go see it if it was just marketed
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: around Rapunzel. So they made the story as told through
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: a guy.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: I hate everything about who's in charge of everything at
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: this point.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, I love that movie.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: It's a great movie. It's a great movie.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: I'm so excited for the live action to come out.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: I don't care what anyone says. It looks like it's
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: going to be a really fun time.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: Just don't pull a Lion King. Just please, for the
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: love of God, do something interesting with it.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: Like, I can even tell they're doing some fun stuff. Like,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: people are already complaining that she doesn't look like she
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: got pulled straight out of the animation. Like, yeah, because
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: she's a real person. And you guys are so nitpicky
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: that it's like, no matter what, Disney can't do anything right.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: So then when they overcorrect, it's boring. And when they undercorrect,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: you bitch nonstop.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: All right. So that's exactly what we have to do. Our,
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: not burden. That's not the right word. Our.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Mission in life.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: Mission in life.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: Is to find movies like these. And you know what?
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: This movie clearly worked for people. It has decent ratings.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: But didn't work for me. Don't, I mean, werewolves on wheels.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: I don't, I don't even want to get into that
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: movie again. That's our mission in life is to find
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: movies that I thought were going to be a lot
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: better than they were. Find the rights or do them
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: differently enough to where it won't be a copyright infringement
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: and make that movie instead. That's what, that's what, that's
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: my goal.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: That's my, I'm fucking putting it out into the universe,
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: putting it out there. That is what I want to do.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: Obviously we have like original ideas and stuff, but at
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: this point I saw a meme about that like so
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: many years ago. It was like, why are we remaking
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: movies like well respected and well loved movies? Why don't
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: we remake movies that weren't that great and make them better?
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: And I was like, I saw that so many years ago.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: I was like, that's accurate. I mean, I'll always go for,
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: you know, another evil dead movie, but that's just me.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Look, for me, I'm more like, you know, a lot
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: of these genres are heavily traveled and heavily done and
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: we've reached this point where a lot of these genres, especially,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: you know, we're covering different genres every month and a
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: lot of these genres have been done to death in
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: modern cinema where they're just regurgitating the same setups. Like, oh,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: horror movies are usually, um, led by 20 somethings who
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: are hot and, um, they make the same decisions in
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: every movie. And the ones, the movies that do the
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: best are the ones that may take a base idea that's, um,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: well known and do something different with it. And I
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: think like for me, that's something I want to do. Um, is.
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: I want to make movies fun again.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Uh, I don't want it to feel so different that
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: you're like, what the fuck do I do with this?
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: But there are genres of these movies like vampires and
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: werewolves and stuff like, hey, why don't we tell it
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: from a different perspective? Or why don't we change it
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: without just going, well, you can either tell it from
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: the victim or the villain side. But it's the same
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: victim and villain every time. Why don't we change it
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: up and see.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: Change up. Well, I mean... You're just really gassing yourself
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: up right now, aren't you?
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying, like, change how they.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: I'm not mad at you. It's just funny.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: Change how they react to things. Because not everybody reacts
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: the exact same way or not everybody looks exactly the same.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: There's more to explore if we stop narrowing these fields
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: so hard. And I think that's what's really fun. Not
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: to gas up the show here. about how you're exploring
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: these different genres because.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: Different genres, what do you mean?
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: Like werewolf, vampire, haunted house, ghost.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, different sub-genres, yeah. Yeah.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Um... How you're exploring how.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: That was very mansplaining. I'm sorry.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Shut your hole, man.
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: All right, well, fuck you then. I turn to apologize
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: for splitting hairs over genre versus subgenre because that came
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: off kind of mansplaining and then you give an attitude.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: All right. Yeah, that's what you get.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: Fuck the patriarchy.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: Exactly. No, I think that's what's so great about this
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: overarching theme for this year is you're exploring how different
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: people handled the same Sub-genre. Because there are so many
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: different ways to do it. It's not like the individual
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: movies are boring, but if you watch all the ones
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: that are in the same field, you start lining up
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: all the ones that have the same setup or the
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: same kind of character. Yeah, it's boring altogether.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, and Dracula is the oldest creature that's
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: been done. It's 1922. 1922. Plus, it was around before that.
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, 1896, I think, is when Bram Stoker wrote Dracula.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: This is how good this movie is that we're talking
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: about today. We're not even fucking... We're off topic. We're
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: so off topic. But yeah, like, so... But I'm just.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Saying, like, things like animals attacking people, that's another one.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, it's pretty much the same setup every time.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: That was another thing I did actually like about this
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: was this felt very like.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: Fucking great segway.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: This isn't like....
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: No, no, genuinely great segway. I was trying to figure
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: out how to wrap it back around, and then I
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: just fucked up your segue.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: You really did.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: Continue.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: No, something I did actually like about this one is, like,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: I know you just did Cocaine Bear. These people go
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: out in the woods. Cocaine Bear. These people go out
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: in the water. Oh, my God, there's a shark there.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: You go out into the Amazon. Yeah, no shit. There's
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: a fucking anaconda out there.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: The only one that's different. Lake Placid. Oh, there shouldn't
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: be a placid in this lake.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: That's not right. A gator.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: A gator in this.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, you get to this gator and
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: you're like, if you guys stop going in the fucking water,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: you stop experiencing all the bad things that are happening
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: from this. This guy is in his own fucking house.
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: And he's like trying to maintain his own territory. A
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: lot of animal attack movies are animals getting forced into territory,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: are people going into animal territory.
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: And technically New York is all rat territory. But this
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: is a man trying to keep hold of his own
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: territory and even destroying it for the sake of holding
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: his ground.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: And I think that's an interesting concept worth exploring.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: Well, and if you... Thinking. Calculating.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: Beep, boop, boop, boop, boop.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: If you remember a movie I mentioned recently, Late Phase
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: is a werewolf movie that I didn't watch during Werewolf Month,
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: but I did watch it recently. It kind of does
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: the same thing with this movie, where it's not really going... Well,
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: and werewolves are a little different. They don't really have territory,
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: per se. But regardless... It's a werewolf lore. But regardless, yeah.
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: Like I said, you have an interesting concept where it
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: is not someone going out into the wild and being
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: shocked that Animals exist and are territorial. This rat is
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: just like, hey, I'm going to specifically fuck you in
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: this house because you remodeled it and I'm just going
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: to start attacking you for no reason. Like I said,
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: it's a great idea, but I just found myself questioning
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: so many things. Like when all the power goes out,
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: I was like, so we have one cable that you
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: chew through that kills all the power? I don't think
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: that's real. I mean, I'm not an electrician. I'm not certified,
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: but I think you'd have to cut through a couple
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: wires to lose power to the whole house. Usually it
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: would go out in sections, I think. And he also
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: had like 17 different things coming out of that electrical panel.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: I was like, that is a, that's a fire hazard.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: For someone who built this house, you should have hired
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: an electrician. Yeah.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: And I think that, especially like we were saying with
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of these, these animals are territorial creatures. And
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: then they get like, they're the villains of these stories,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: but really they're just animals doing animal things. And you
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: still get that in this one because it's like this
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: rat literally was like, this is a comfy place. I
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: got my babies here, so.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then we'd never see them again. Don't know
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: what he did with those.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Which I'm grateful for personally because I didn't want to
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: see Peter Weller off a bunch of baby rats.
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: I didn't either.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: Because that was going to be a little dark for me.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: But they bring up these things and then never come
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: back to them. Kissing that lady, never come back to it.
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: The little baby rats. Oh, we've established that this is
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: a female and that you don't want a female rat
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: in your house for reasons I can't remember.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: They're more territorial?
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: I guess.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: That's gone. There's just so many things they bring up
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: and you're like, and we're never talking about that again.
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  Speaker 3: So one thing I was curious about because the whole
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: thing with rats and cheese, they do not like cheese
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  Speaker 3: as advertised.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 3: They will settle for it if there is nothing left
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: to eat, but they're not into cheese. If you want
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: to get a rat, you need to use, they did
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: get this right, bacon. They go crazy for bacon or
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: hot dogs, but they really go nuts for peanut butter.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: Peanut butter is the thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, peanut butter is usually what's typical.
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  Speaker 3: Big old thing of peanut butter and just slap it
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  Speaker 3: on the floor.
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  Speaker 1: Because no one's giving them bacon.
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  Speaker 3: Also, the amount of cheese this man was cutting. Did
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: you see?
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  Speaker 1: He's like, I got the- Making like a fucking charcuterie board?
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  Speaker 3: I got the sharpest cheddar that I cut into like
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: one by one cubes that were fucking 13 inches long.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were giant rectangle rods of cheese.
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  Speaker 3: Like, did you go to the butcher shop and buy
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: all the cheese they had? Because my God, man, that's
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: a lot of cheese.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: That actually reminds me. Apparently, you can buy whole chunks
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: of a turkey breast or a ham that you can
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: cut up, and it's cheaper than buying pre-sliced deli meat.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: I thought you were going to go a way different direction,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: and I was concerned.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: Anyway, so just a consideration for everybody and their cheese
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: and meat budgets.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: Just pull a Kramer from Seinfeld and go buy your
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: own meat slicer. That's what he did, and he bought
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: the rolls at the wholesaler and was cutting his own meat. Yeah.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: It's cost effective, everybody. In this economy, we can't be
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: buying cheese by the block like that if we're not
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: eating it.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: Sharp cheddar, too. I mean, that's the good stuff. And
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: he was just, man, he wasted a lot of that.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: And the rat was also just chewing through all of
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: those traps that he had as well. And then I
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: didn't even feel bad for him when he was blindly
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: feeling around for the giant metal trap he laid and
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: was surprised when it bit him in the hand.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Made by fucking John Kramer. Like, why did that thing
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: have such aggressive teeth on it?
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: And also, you remember the part two when Cleet randomly,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: after his associate, Kiss Lady, yells at the walls to
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: get him to try to come out. Cleet goes in
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: there and sees him building that giant bat. Bart doesn't
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: even recognize that Cleet's there. Turns around and basically is like,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: what's up? Not freaked out that a man's in your basement.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: And Cleet's like, no, I'm not doing this. I'm leaving. Thanks, Cleet,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: for showing up and doing nothing. Appreciate it.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: Helpful.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: What a waste of time. That was pretty cool, though.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: I will say, there we go. Here's a positive. That
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: was a fun montage when he was building the bat.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: And he put out all the traps. And he was
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: just smashing the traps with the bat to get it
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: to cling to the thing. I thought that was pretty cool.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was an insane looking bat.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: That's about it, though. Um, I really wish I liked
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: this more. I'm definitely upset that I spent more than
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: I should have on buying the Blu-ray because it was
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: out of print and it wasn't available anywhere. This will
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: probably be a sell to get out of my collection
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: because I don't find my, you know, I usually I'll
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: give a movie a second chance, but if it's a
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: pacing issue that you can't fix that. Yeah. Usually if
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: I don't understand something or I expected something different. And
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: in this case, I guess I did expect more rats,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: but also you can't fix pacing. The pacing in this
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: movie was just absolutely terrible.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd agree with that.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: An 88-minute movie felt like an hour 45.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I kept going in and out of whether or
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: not I was having a good time.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where I'm at. So I don't think I
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: can stretch this anymore. It's just we've got to be
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: done with this movie at this point. Anything else? Closing
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: thoughts of Unknown Origin?
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: No, I have my three reviews.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: Three. Good Lord. Okay, I got extra. All right, well,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: then let's move on to the final cut here. This
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: is great. I love this tagline because it's clearly for
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: like a Blu-ray that came out after all of these movies.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: Because the terrifying last word in Home Invasion from the
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: director of Tombstone and Cobra. Those are movies that were whatever.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: If it can't scare them to death, it will find
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: another way. Two forces have claimed the house. Only one
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: will survive. And Peter Weller, in parentheses, RoboCop, turns his
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: home into a battleground against an enemy. Dot, dot, dot.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, then.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: So many taglines. Anyways. So trivia here. First leading starring
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: role of Peter Weller, like we mentioned. John Waters has
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: called this film the greatest rat movie, probably because there's two.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: Writer Stephen King is a fan of Unknown Origin and
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: one of his favorite horror movies. Sure. And there were
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: no goofs at all listed. None whatsoever. Not even ones
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: that were bad that I wanted to include.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: Somehow, garnering a 6.1 out of 10... on IMDb, which
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: equivalates to a 3.05 out of 5 on the Nightmare Index,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: a 3.2 out of 5 on Letterboxd, a 63% on
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: the Tomatometer, and a 41% makes more sense audience score.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: What did you give this?
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: Give it a 3.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know where I sit with this one, so
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: it's just going to be a 2.5. Didn't hate it,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: didn't like it, just very much in the middle for me.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: That gives us a Nightmare Index of 2.94, which really
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: seems higher than it should be. And that will put us,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: gonna scroll way down here, right above Vampire in Brooklyn
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: at a 2.94, which I would rather watch that, and
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: right under The Bay at a 3.09. Similar movies according
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: to IMDb, Razorback, Leviathan, Relentless, Bloody Psycho, and The Vagrant.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: And then similar movies according to Letterboxd, Cujo, Great Start,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: The Collector, Kind of. You're next. No.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: Clown.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: Definitely not. And The Shining couldn't be more different.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: A little bit in the sense of psychosis, but that's
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: But isolated location. Fucking you know the movie. A couple
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: reviews and then we'll be done. What? No, I guess
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: I should. Well, no, you go first because you've got less.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: You go first. That's fine.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: Two and a half stars from Cherry. And he deserved
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: everything he went through. Cheating on his hot wife for
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: no reason. That rat simply knew he was a fucking
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: rat bastard.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: Not wrong. Wife was gorgeous. I don't know. Not like
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: the other lady was ugly, but it's like, what are
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: you doing, guy? If you're going to commit, commit. One
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: kiss was very strange. Four star. Oh, my God. How
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: do you say this name? Four stars from M-I-A-U. Meow.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: Starting an epic battle with a rat in your yuppie
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: home is a weird way of dealing with pressure at work.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: Four stars from Tim Cop.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: Ratachoui.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: Ratachoui. Four and a half stars from Robin. At one point,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: Peter Weller tries to out bravado a rat by telling
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: it he has smoked weed. I've done drugs, pal, or
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: whatever he says. All right.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Three stars from Greg Holly. It really is just Peter
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: Weller going to war with a single normal-sized rat, and
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: it's pretty awesome.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: Okay. This is going to work for someone out there,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: but maybe you can provide some insight. Four stars from Laird.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: Does for a hardback copy of Moby Dick what The
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: Departed did for a rat? Anybody?
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: Nope.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: Oh, you haven't seen The Departed, have you? I.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: No, I saw it.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: Okay. Three and a half stars from Ian West, Robo-Rat.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: And no stars or a heart from Ben David Grabinski,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: Peter Weller as Clark Griswold fighting a rat. Fucking great. Anyways,
• 1:07:47
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• 1:08:02
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• 1:08:13
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• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: be doing Snakes on a Plane from 2006 as our
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: wild card pick. Usually, it is a requirement that both
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: of us have not seen it, but... Spencer is deathly
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: afraid of snakes, and I don't think he's watched it
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: since it came out. And I've never seen it somehow.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: I somehow just fucking missed the boat on this one.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't seen it either.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: So it is streaming on Prime for $ 3. 99. Apparently it's
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: not available anywhere, and my wife's going to fall again.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: So until next week, stay tuned and.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: Stay spooky. Thank you.
• 1:08:50
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• 1:09:20
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