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Chuck & Buck 12-2 Hour 3: Gene Steratore, Everett Fitzhugh · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: It's time for Checking Buck's weekly visit with former NFL
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Speaker 1: and I ninety near the stadiums now with Jeene sterotor
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Speaker 1: here's Checking Buck.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 3: I felt like he was part of my Thanksgiving. Seemed
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Speaker 3: like he was calling every single game over the weekend,
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Speaker 3: and so I just sliced him up a piece of
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Speaker 3: turkey and a little bit of pumpkin pie, right yeah,
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Speaker 3: and just set it there right in front of the
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Speaker 3: television and just acted like Gina joined us.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, he would have appreciated that. Yeah, I don't
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Speaker 4: think he got to enjoy things. Maybe still hasn't.
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Speaker 3: Oh man, are you kidding me? The catering they do
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Speaker 3: over there at CBS Sports. He had one of the
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Speaker 3: greatest tech turkey meals he's ever had in his starres wife.
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Speaker 3: He just didn't have his family around. What a wonderful
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Speaker 3: Thanksgiving is Jean's territorius with us right here on Chucking Bark.
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Speaker 3: Good chat with you. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, good morning fellaws Chucky. We missed you last week.
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Speaker 5: And Bucky, I did get home yesterday and my lovely
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Speaker 5: wife did leave two real thin slices of white meat
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Speaker 5: in the back corner of the fridge, and I asked
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Speaker 5: her to save that extra half gallon of gravy as
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Speaker 5: you suggested last week, and I dumped it on and
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Speaker 5: we had a really great Thanksgiving.
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Speaker 2: Bucky good, I'm so glad to hear it.
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Speaker 4: By the way, my wife made her best gravy to date. Oh, like,
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Speaker 4: you need to just make a gallon of it, like
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Speaker 4: you just said, Gino, you said, I need a gallon
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Speaker 4: of that on reserve, just in the back of the fridge.
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Speaker 3: Keep it in.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll just be like lard. I'll just throw it
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Speaker 2: in the microwave when I need it.
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Speaker 3: Sure, you can't bring that into the stadium.
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Speaker 2: It's gravy. No more than four ounces, though. You can't
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Speaker 2: bring more than four ounces. And we'll get through security
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Speaker 2: all right.
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Speaker 3: You know, I would love to get flagged by TSA
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Speaker 3: for trying to sneak great an airplay.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not really liquid anymore, sir, Try to pour
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Speaker 4: it out.
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Speaker 2: There's nothing in there.
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Speaker 3: It is explosive. All right, well, let's talk some football,
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Speaker 3: you know what. The one I want to start with
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Speaker 3: is from the college game, because I was thinking was
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Speaker 3: such an interesting play and still we're days after this
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Speaker 3: Jeremiah Smith touchdown. It's kind of unlike any play that
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Speaker 3: I think I've seen before where he seemed to be
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Speaker 3: bobbling the touchdown as he went into the end zone
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Speaker 3: and we weren't sure if he got control of it
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Speaker 3: before he stepped out of the end zone over on
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Speaker 3: the side. I mean, it was such a bang bang play.
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Speaker 3: It looks like such an obvious touchdown, Gene, and then
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Speaker 3: you slow it down and you're like, man, maybe that
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Speaker 3: is a fumble out the side of the end zone.
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Speaker 3: I've heard people say, now, that's ridiculous. I've heard people say, absolutely,
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Speaker 3: that's a fumble. Where does the greatest football ref re
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Speaker 3: of all time weigh in on this.
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Speaker 2: That's a big thing. That's a big thie chuck.
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Speaker 5: You put a lot of heat on the here, But
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Speaker 5: I think I think it falls in that category. And
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Speaker 5: I know we've even spoken about this in previous meetings
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Speaker 5: together where we start slowing this down to the place
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Speaker 5: where what we think is our state you know, one
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Speaker 5: of the things we say is a hundred guys and
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Speaker 5: hundred guys and guys in the bar look at this
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Speaker 5: and go, look it's a touchdown. And now you slow
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Speaker 5: it down and you go, wait a minute, he doesn't
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Speaker 5: really have control of it. Where does that piece one
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Speaker 5: one end and the other begin. Uh. We've all decided
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Speaker 5: to bring replay into our games in certain capacities and
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Speaker 5: allow them to slow it down as slow as they
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Speaker 5: would like to make these decisions. But even with all
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Speaker 5: that said, there's this element of subjectivity which kind of
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Speaker 5: lands on that replay offfecial or the collaboration making the
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Speaker 5: final decision and the rest of us. Right, I think
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Speaker 5: I think that play coupled with the great catch that
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Speaker 5: MCA elevade and the you dub Oregon game kind of
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Speaker 5: both of those, although different types of plays, they really
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Speaker 5: to me fall in that same category. Right, Like, you know,
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Speaker 5: I think if you look at it replay and really
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Speaker 5: really slow it down. In the Ohio State game, it
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Speaker 5: appears that he's lost possession right before he crosses the
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Speaker 5: goal line. Now if he has that possession just and
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Speaker 5: the ball breaks the plane and then bobbles it in
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Speaker 5: that step where the next two camera frames. We know
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Speaker 5: that if he had possession and it broke the plane,
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Speaker 5: he was a runner, it's a touchdown. But if he
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Speaker 5: did lose that possession, you basically have a fumble within
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Speaker 5: his own body. You know, he's the one who did
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Speaker 5: it all, and he doesn't regather it before that foot
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Speaker 5: touches out of bounds. So there's the there's forever going
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Speaker 5: to be these types of scenarios occur because the football
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Speaker 5: world decided to put subjective rulings into replay, and regardless
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Speaker 5: of how slower fast we put them, we're going to
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Speaker 5: end up in these little windows of the time.
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Speaker 2: I think that allow us to have these discussions.
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Speaker 5: But in real time, to me touchdown, I brought it
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Speaker 5: down frame by frame, right, put everything in there. Hey,
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Speaker 5: he lost possession of this thing. Let's go back and
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Speaker 5: frame by frame it. So as much as I would
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Speaker 5: really love to give you the definitive, I think, by
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Speaker 5: the rules of replay and the way that we have
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Speaker 5: now become accustomed to it, you've got to stay it
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Speaker 5: for fumble.
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Speaker 2: Wow. Cool, But in the real world.
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Speaker 5: And watching that, I know, you know, if you go
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Speaker 5: back and circle back fifteen years before this happens, I don't.
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Speaker 5: I think it's a blip in the screen, or we
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Speaker 5: may not even really readdress it. Right, we just move on.
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Speaker 5: We've now brought our game to this place, which is
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Speaker 5: job security. I have to say selfishly at this point
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Speaker 5: in life, you know, let's keep it going for a
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Speaker 5: couple more years and then you guys can do what
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Speaker 5: you want with it later.
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Speaker 2: Perfect.
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, just a little add on to that
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Speaker 4: then if that was I mean, when you slow it
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Speaker 4: down in real time, you're like, it looks like you
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Speaker 4: lost possession. Do you like the rule or maybe you
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Speaker 4: can explain why you think the rule of if that
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Speaker 4: was the case, had they ruled any way, touch back
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Speaker 4: other team's ball go in the other direction versus all right, fumbled,
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Speaker 4: you got back possession.
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Speaker 2: Here is the ball on the one. Do you like
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Speaker 2: the rule? And why is that rule the way that
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Speaker 2: it is?
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Speaker 5: You know, Bucky, you know, we've always kind of lived
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Speaker 5: by the philosophy that the end zone is sacred aground
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Speaker 5: and it kind of does have its little asterisks in
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Speaker 5: the other rulings that apply in the field. The implementation
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Speaker 5: of that, I believe, going back or way before my time,
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Speaker 5: I think as well, was maybe too avoid just reckless.
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Speaker 2: Abandonment as you dot or the end zone, you know.
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Speaker 5: And understanding that if it pops out, we're still going
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Speaker 5: to get the ball back at the.
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Speaker 2: Half yard line.
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Speaker 5: And there are other plays that also have the end
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Speaker 5: zone involved, which create other dynamics. And if this one
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Speaker 5: repeats itself over and over and we inevitably have that discussion,
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Speaker 5: like it seems too punitive because if that ball goes
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Speaker 5: out at the half yard line, we're just coming back
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Speaker 5: to the spot of the fumble and it's the second,
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Speaker 5: third or fourth and goal. But the end zone is
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Speaker 5: always been considered kind of that sacred space where you've
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Speaker 5: got to take care of everything at once that football
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Speaker 5: gets into that area of the field.
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Speaker 2: There are some different.
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Speaker 5: Rules applied, So I really kind of my personal feeling,
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Speaker 5: I don't mind it personally, but I do realize, you know,
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Speaker 5: the pushback, because it just doesn't seem equitable in certain instances,
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Speaker 5: and sometimes these are those instances, you know. But and
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Speaker 5: in the replay situation, I've been an adamant. I've stood
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Speaker 5: very strongly with my feelings with replay when I was
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Speaker 5: on the field actively doing it, and now in this
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Speaker 5: position is I wish that we would only say, maybe
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Speaker 5: turn this dial back like twenty percent slower than real time,
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Speaker 5: in no less than that, because at twenty percent or
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Speaker 5: eighty percent real full speed official that are screwed in
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Speaker 5: or really seeing the game at about eighty percent, just
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Speaker 5: like players, the game slows down to that window. And
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Speaker 5: I think if we made our replay decisions in that
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Speaker 5: same window of slowness without going into the frame by
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Speaker 5: frame magic trick, if it's loose in mid air, I
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Speaker 5: think that there would be more balance. I think there
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Speaker 5: would be more consistency, and quite frankly, I think then
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Speaker 5: you could see replay decisions made on the field that
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Speaker 5: officials then could see the next day when they look
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Speaker 5: and say, you know, I missed that. Look how they
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Speaker 5: ruled on that at twenty percent slower than real time.
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Speaker 5: I need to be able to get that right in
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Speaker 5: real time too, these frame by frames. As an official
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Speaker 5: in the human condition, you're ruling on these bank bank plays,
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Speaker 5: and your feel is, look, I got this right, and
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Speaker 5: then we come back and go, oh, one camera frame
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Speaker 5: before that happened, this happened, and you're wrong. That puts
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Speaker 5: a bug in your brain when you're on that field,
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Speaker 5: you know, as you continue through your profession, and so
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Speaker 5: I really wish that we would all collectively come back
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Speaker 5: and say, let's find that sweet spot where we're just
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Speaker 5: slowing the game down to this level and we're making
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Speaker 5: all decisions at that level too. I think, then you know,
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Speaker 5: you could blend, you could blend training. It would become
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Speaker 5: more of a training tool than this other element.
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Speaker 2: We see.
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Speaker 5: How many times have we seen forward passes go forward
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Speaker 5: and the ball just lays there because everybody's scared to
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Speaker 5: death to blow the whistle now, right, or any fumble
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Speaker 5: that happens near the player going down. Everything's just we
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Speaker 5: let it go now because replay I'll fix it. To me,
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Speaker 5: from that purity of what I did for my life's
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Speaker 5: work and the sports, that hurts me because it diminishes,
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Speaker 5: it doesn't allow great officials to be great. It's pulling
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Speaker 5: everybody back towards being mediocre in some ways. And that's
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Speaker 5: just my feel on it.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 3: CBS Rules analyst Jean Stare at Dora joins us every
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Speaker 3: week here on Checking Buck in the Morning to talk
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Speaker 3: about some of the interesting calls over the weekend, and
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Speaker 3: you brought up the name Jeremiah McClellan, So I ought
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Speaker 3: to get your thoughts on this. I mean, to me,
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Speaker 3: it just looked like a really fancy failure by a
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Speaker 3: guy in silly clothes. And yes, and yet maybe you
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Speaker 3: was an official unbiased may have had a different view
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Speaker 3: of it. Did they get that right? Calling it incomplete?
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Speaker 2: That listen, I said it on air. I'm still standing
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Speaker 2: with it.
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Speaker 5: I was different from the ruling on the field at
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Speaker 5: the end of the replay. I thought it was an
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Speaker 5: unbelievable play where a player secured with strength and if
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Speaker 5: you look, two or three of his fingers rushed or
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Speaker 5: even curled on the on the ball put into his helmet. Yes,
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Speaker 5: when he hit the ground, the ball moved a little
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Speaker 5: with his hands. Okay, that's that's what happens when people
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Speaker 5: land with football's. It doesn't move out of his control.
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Speaker 5: But it didn't move, but his hands stayed firmly on
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Speaker 5: that And and again that's I felt like, this is
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Speaker 5: just an unbelievable catch rate play that we looked and
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Speaker 5: like it just just it doesn't look like you can
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Speaker 5: be able to possibly and physically do that.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 5: I think he did right, and uh, and again I
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Speaker 5: think that's that's that space that we all live in there.
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Speaker 5: But I thought, and again maybe some of this is
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Speaker 5: me just get a little romantic and old with it.
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Speaker 5: I think there has to be some artistic you know,
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Speaker 5: like in gymnastics you stick to landing and then they say,
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Speaker 5: you know, the Italian judge goes eight point five on
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Speaker 5: artistic impression, right, or something to that effect. When you
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Speaker 5: make a play like that, I think, don't you get
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Speaker 5: a little extra window of Hey, I know it moves
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Speaker 5: a little bit, but my gosh, you know, you pulled
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Speaker 5: it off. We're giving it to you. You know, maybe
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Speaker 5: we should vote on that sometimes. But I really thought
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Speaker 5: it was possibly catch.
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
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Speaker 2: What do you think, Bucky?
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Speaker 3: Definitely, you know, I mean it was basically I'm going
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Speaker 3: to give it to you. That was definitely a catch,
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Speaker 3: just like if he should price sock. Definitely was not
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Speaker 3: PI on a very dimidle gameplay in the game, Jane
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Speaker 3: and I speak, that would out by us on this
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Speaker 3: one breach check. That was a terrible call.
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Speaker 6: Jane I thick Athleyvens said, preach Chuck in the background
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Speaker 6: this if you guys need me to get out there
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Speaker 6: and referee the remainder of the show. It might take
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Speaker 6: me two or three hours to get there, but I'd
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Speaker 6: be more than.
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Speaker 2: Willing to it.
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Speaker 5: Sounds like we have a little biased opinions in some
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Speaker 5: of these, but I thought preduct did a great job
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Speaker 5: of closing on the receiver and without turning his back
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Speaker 5: and looking back toward the football and almost timed it perfectly.
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Speaker 5: I do think though, that right before that ball got
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Speaker 5: to that mesh point, and I don't know that he
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Speaker 5: needed to do it. I think his arms went more
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Speaker 5: toward the receiver and as opposed to going vertical, I
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Speaker 5: think if he puts his arms straight up and stretches
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Speaker 5: straight up in the air as he's closing there, the
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Speaker 5: contact becomes just a little closer to what we call
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Speaker 5: in the officiating world to bang bang and not bang
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Speaker 5: breath bang, And I think that was where that piece
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Speaker 5: kind of went there. Anytime a defensive player is chasing
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Speaker 5: chase mode into a receiver and doesn't get his head
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Speaker 5: turned back around so that we as officials can give
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Speaker 5: him some love that yeah contact, anybody's playing the ball.
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Speaker 5: If you don't get that head around, now that your
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Speaker 5: window of what I can allow you to do gets shrunken.
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Speaker 5: We have to now be a little more technical because
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Speaker 5: now you are just trying to time this through that
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Speaker 5: player without regard to playing the football.
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Speaker 2: So we get a little more.
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Speaker 5: Technical on those plays, and the bang bang play doesn't
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Speaker 5: get as much love as if you're turning back and
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Speaker 5: I can put you in the window of contact while
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Speaker 5: you're playing the ball field.
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Speaker 2: So both play.
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Speaker 5: I hate to be over two with your the sporting Tucky,
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Speaker 5: but either Gravy was really good with.
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Speaker 2: You on both of them.
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Speaker 4: Bud, Yeah, maybe they should stop trying to cheat, Jean,
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Speaker 4: maybe price auction, stop trying to rules.
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Speaker 3: I didn't know Jean's territory love ticky tack football calling. Okay,
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Speaker 3: I got it, understand that.
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Speaker 2: I don't think that's true.
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Speaker 4: Don't listen to him, Jane. I mean when you're right,
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Speaker 4: you're right, we're just gonna cry about it.
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Speaker 3: Apparently a nursing home with football these days.
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Speaker 2: I don't I don't agree with that. I'll go ahead
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Speaker 2: and move on. It can just be you and I
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Speaker 2: like last week, Jane, if you'd like, we can go
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Speaker 2: ahead and meet these two.
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Speaker 4: I do have I have one that I want a
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Speaker 4: little bit of an explanation the whole pick play thing.
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Speaker 4: Chuck and I were talking after the show yesterday, and
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Speaker 4: you know, is there a an amount of room that
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Speaker 4: you have within the line of scrimmage where that's completely legit,
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Speaker 4: because it does feel like in the Bronco game, there
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Speaker 4: was a.
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Speaker 2: Couple of plays.
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Speaker 4: One was the fourth down in overtime to to keep
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Speaker 4: the game alive, and they ran a pick play, so
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Speaker 4: it's like they obviously like the idea. If it doesn't
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Speaker 4: get called, there's a good way chance the guy's going
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Speaker 4: to be open. And then in the final play that
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Speaker 4: was a two point version that got batted down, the
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Speaker 4: guy was going to be open because of another one
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Speaker 4: that that one seems far more legit where the guy
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Speaker 4: got caught up in traffic trying to go across the line.
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Speaker 2: But those immediate pick plays.
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Speaker 4: Seem like they work every single time, and sometimes there's
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Speaker 4: a flag and sometimes there isn't.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, multiple levels, there's a block and white issue here
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Speaker 5: if you are legally, as an offensive player allowed to
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Speaker 5: block within one yard of where the ball was snap
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Speaker 5: going forward downfield, so that little window, and that's why
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Speaker 5: you'll see a lot of times if teams have a
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Speaker 5: penalty after a touchdown and can move the football from
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Speaker 5: the two to the one. They'll go for two that
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Speaker 5: because there's now they can block from the one to
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Speaker 5: the goal line legally and kind of set that screen
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Speaker 5: or what looks like a screenplay in college and still
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Speaker 5: legally be blocking while player goes right behind him right
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Speaker 5: it's the goal line, and that would be legal. So
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Speaker 5: there is a block and white line as it relates
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Speaker 5: to what's legal with offensive passing experience, and it is
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Speaker 5: making contact within that yard. Now, once we get beyond
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Speaker 5: that yard, a lot of different elements start to take place.
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Speaker 5: There's a lot of things here in that fourth down play,
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Speaker 5: the defensive player. We're beyond the yard, so we're not in.
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Speaker 2: The black and white portion now. But now when that.
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Speaker 5: Receiver comes off of the line, after he's gone more
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Speaker 5: than the yard, if that defensive player initiates engagement, he's
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Speaker 5: coming into him and putting hands out toward him. Now
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Speaker 5: you're what you're allowed to kind of do as an
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Speaker 5: offensive player. Now I can either fight to get you off,
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Speaker 5: I can snuggle and kind of ride you away from
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Speaker 5: the play. You've given me more window to kind of
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Speaker 5: legally pick you because you came into me and initiated
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Speaker 5: that rubber that snuggle contact. So now my ability to
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Speaker 5: kind of cheat you a little bit is enhanced in
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Speaker 5: those scenarios. When we're running the other traditional pick plays,
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Speaker 5: a lot of times you'll see offensive pass interferences called,
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Speaker 5: and it's this.
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Speaker 2: Bang bang situation.
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Speaker 5: With a defensive player out in space and a receiver
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Speaker 5: at the top of his route or something.
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Speaker 2: Those plays.
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Speaker 5: When we have those, you've got to kind of harke
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Speaker 5: and yourself move to a different sport and look at
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Speaker 5: a block charge playing basketball, if the defensive player is
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Speaker 5: stationary and has established his position on the field and
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Speaker 5: the offensive player now was coming toward him, the offense
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Speaker 5: is responsibilities.
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Speaker 2: He has to avoid him.
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Speaker 5: He cannot run into a defensive player in the established
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Speaker 5: position that he has gained prior to contact, so it
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Speaker 5: would be a charge, right, So if it's a charge,
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Speaker 5: it's an offensive pass interference. If it becomes a blocking
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Speaker 5: filewer now right before that meshing or that point of contact,
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Speaker 5: the defensive player slides into the offensive player or is
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Speaker 5: outside of his frame of where he established. Now the
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Speaker 5: onus becomes an onus on the defensive player. So there's
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Speaker 5: multiple layers with offensive pass interference as it.
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Speaker 2: Relates to beyond that yard line. But within the yard all.
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Speaker 5: Things really are, you know, we can go do what
17:48
Speaker 5: we need to do there. So there's a ton of
17:51
Speaker 5: those elements within those within those plays, and I don't
17:54
Speaker 5: disagree with you.
17:54
Speaker 2: I think the.
17:57
Speaker 5: First one, I felt like the defensive player of the
17:59
Speaker 5: fourth unplayer, the defensive.
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Speaker 2: Prayer reached and began engagement.
18:02
Speaker 5: He kind of opened his window up to allow that
18:04
Speaker 5: little extra rough bump.
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Speaker 2: The last one, there is a lot of there's.
18:09
Speaker 5: A lot of congestion there right which which convolutes a
18:14
Speaker 5: little And then at the time of that happened, as
18:16
Speaker 5: we said, he said they bated the football down, So
18:18
Speaker 5: it became a little bit of a non issue in
18:21
Speaker 5: that regard.
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Speaker 2: But there's definitely a lot.
18:23
Speaker 5: Of tentacles on that play, a lot of things to digest.
18:26
Speaker 3: Well in our last minute, and I really am up
18:29
Speaker 3: against it. But I think you can answer this one
18:31
Speaker 3: pretty quickly. Did we have a case on the marioda
18:35
Speaker 3: intentional grounding where he threw it over the receiver's head,
18:39
Speaker 3: I mean clearly over the receiver's head. And yet we've
18:44
Speaker 3: watched that play a thousand times in our lives, and
18:47
Speaker 3: it doesn't get called intentional grounding. It did on Sunday night,
18:51
Speaker 3: and it seemed that the reaction was that the official
18:55
Speaker 3: just didn't know the rule. I mean, is that what happened.
18:59
Speaker 5: It's not in the rule of black and white. But
19:01
Speaker 5: Terry mccaullay did a really good job. He's been a
19:03
Speaker 5: great official with three Super Bowls in his resume, the
19:06
Speaker 5: analyst for NBC. By our philosophies, when a receiver is
19:11
Speaker 5: between the numbers and the sidelines, that third we call
19:14
Speaker 5: of the field and a football would go over the
19:17
Speaker 5: head of that receiver. Philosophically, officials don't throw intentional.
19:21
Speaker 2: Grounding there, even though we know the.
19:23
Speaker 5: Balls fifteen feet in the air and his verdict will
19:25
Speaker 5: only takes him to twelve and a half feet or
19:28
Speaker 5: whatever the case may be. So it's kind of an
19:30
Speaker 5: NFL philosophy's ruling, or that's how we've always administered that penalty.
19:36
Speaker 2: You look in the book, it doesn't.
19:38
Speaker 5: Say anything about thirds and all of those things. But
19:40
Speaker 5: as you said, too, check that's the play that we've
19:43
Speaker 5: seen many times and we look and go, look, guys,
19:45
Speaker 5: that's not catchable. There's nothing there. But there's also no
19:48
Speaker 5: flight for intentional grounding. So I think that's that window,
19:52
Speaker 5: and I think he explained it well philosophically. But then,
19:55
Speaker 5: as we all know, we look into the dictionary, we
19:57
Speaker 5: go google it and go, dude, that's not in the
20:00
Speaker 5: look anywhere. What are you talking about? So that's where
20:02
Speaker 5: that play falls. That's that's kind of the NFL in
20:06
Speaker 5: officiating has always been more liberal with not calling intentional grounding, right,
20:11
Speaker 5: I mean you, the receivers in the area had an
20:14
Speaker 5: opportunity to touch the ball. All of those scenarios apply
20:17
Speaker 5: in many cases, and we usually.
20:19
Speaker 2: Are very liberal not to call that foul.
20:21
Speaker 5: This is another one of those scenarios and why he
20:24
Speaker 5: disagreed with what the officials did on the field.
20:26
Speaker 3: The great gene Sterotor joins us every week here on
20:29
Speaker 3: Chuck and Buck. This week, I don't know, maybe not
20:31
Speaker 3: your best.
20:31
Speaker 2: I think was the best ever.
20:34
Speaker 3: A little off your game, a little bit, Gene, I
20:37
Speaker 3: don't know, do better next week. Maybe that would be
20:39
Speaker 3: my advice.
20:42
Speaker 2: I had.
20:44
Speaker 5: I'll be watching film all week, Chuck.
20:46
Speaker 2: I swear it, I read it.
20:47
Speaker 5: He's sending me more plays, Schucky.
20:49
Speaker 2: I love this.
20:50
Speaker 3: Thank you, Jean, talk to you next week.
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Speaker 2: Thanks guys.
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Speaker 3: M gave Everett. I gave the Kraken to Ashley and
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21:20
Speaker 3: and they couldn't win us a game. So hopefully me
21:23
Speaker 3: being back this week, we'll get us back on track.
21:25
Speaker 2: Everett. Yeah, No, you were the you're the good luck chterm.
21:29
Speaker 7: I think it's just really no no vacation for Chuck Powell.
21:34
Speaker 3: Ever again, everybody in the organization's been buzzing about it.
21:36
Speaker 3: Is that what you're telling me? Yeah?
21:38
Speaker 7: They were who let Chuck Powell off offline for.
21:42
Speaker 3: Uh at Lane Lambert that Leyton Lambert just can't stop
21:46
Speaker 3: talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I bet calls me old
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Speaker 3: g LC good luck charm.
21:53
Speaker 7: Really yeah, good luck Chuck, Chuck, good Luck Chuck.
22:01
Speaker 3: Well, what is the reason, Everett fits you? Why the
22:04
Speaker 3: krack and haven't won in three games.
22:07
Speaker 7: You know, I listen. The only real I want to say, stinker.
22:12
Speaker 7: We talked about this quite a bit. When you're in
22:15
Speaker 7: the middle of a season, you're not gonna win every game.
22:18
Speaker 7: There are going to be challenges that present themselves. And
22:22
Speaker 7: going back to the Dallas game, I mean Lane even
22:25
Speaker 7: said it, they played good enough, but there were just
22:28
Speaker 7: a few key mistakes on Thanksgiving Eve that you just
22:31
Speaker 7: can't afford to make. And at this level, you make
22:35
Speaker 7: those mistakes, they end up in the back of your net.
22:37
Speaker 7: The Edmonton game, you're going up against an Oilers team
22:41
Speaker 7: that now for the third year in a row, have
22:44
Speaker 7: gotten off to a five hundred or slightly worse, slightly
22:49
Speaker 7: better start through twenty plus games. They don't seem to
22:53
Speaker 7: have their ducks in a row, if you will, But
22:57
Speaker 7: the last two years they've gone on to the Stanley
22:59
Speaker 7: Cup Finals and they've won the West. So Edmonton, this
23:03
Speaker 7: is about the time when they turn it around. So
23:06
Speaker 7: I will say a performance from the Oilers on Saturday
23:10
Speaker 7: didn't surprise me, But I think the fact that the
23:14
Speaker 7: Kraken couldn't beat one of the most you know, the
23:17
Speaker 7: struggling goalies in this league. You know, that's obviously something
23:21
Speaker 7: that that they weren't too happy about in that game.
23:25
Speaker 7: You know, there the shots weren't weren't where they needed
23:28
Speaker 7: to be, The passes were a little bit sloppy.
23:30
Speaker 2: Coming through the neutral zone.
23:32
Speaker 7: It just wasn't as sharp and as crisp as I
23:35
Speaker 7: think this team expects it to be. And and regardless
23:39
Speaker 7: of how the oilers have started, whenever you've got McDavid
23:42
Speaker 7: and dry Sino and Nujhn Hopkins was his first game
23:46
Speaker 7: back after a you know, lengthy ir stend. You had
23:50
Speaker 7: Zach Hyman back for his fifth game of the season.
23:54
Speaker 7: He was out for the first month of the year.
23:56
Speaker 7: So whenever you've got a dangerous team like that, regardless
24:01
Speaker 7: of their record, you have to know that they're gonna
24:04
Speaker 7: come for you, and they did on Saturday.
24:07
Speaker 4: How are we feeling about Joey d since he's been back,
24:10
Speaker 4: Tocord with when it comes to you know, being in NETA,
24:13
Speaker 4: we is he right back to where we want him
24:15
Speaker 4: to be or is that something that does take a
24:17
Speaker 4: little time to knock some rust off.
24:20
Speaker 7: You know, I think it does take a little bit
24:22
Speaker 7: of time. But for Joey, I mean he is a
24:23
Speaker 7: goalie that prides himself on his preparation. He's always ready,
24:28
Speaker 7: he's always working. You know, you watch him after a
24:32
Speaker 7: morning skate where he's starting that night, he goes to
24:36
Speaker 7: the gym, gets a full post practice workout, he goes
24:39
Speaker 7: through his mental preparation.
24:41
Speaker 2: He's got the VR.
24:43
Speaker 7: Goggles on that he uses a pregame to to dial
24:46
Speaker 7: himself in. So even when Joey you know, misses time
24:49
Speaker 7: like we saw him earlier this year, he he doesn't
24:53
Speaker 7: need a whole lot of time to get back. And
24:55
Speaker 7: I think we're seeing Joey Decord still perform at a
25:00
Speaker 7: very high level. I think where the the the issue
25:05
Speaker 7: lies is I think with just the team's lack of offense,
25:08
Speaker 7: and Laye Lambert will tell you, you know, he wants the
25:10
Speaker 7: team to shoot more. He wants there to maybe be
25:13
Speaker 7: a little bit more of a of a selfish mentality
25:17
Speaker 7: when it comes to trying to generate offense, and so
25:21
Speaker 7: Joey Decourd I think is fine. I think this year
25:23
Speaker 7: we've seen that Philip Grubauer is having a very good
25:28
Speaker 7: resurgent season compared to the last two, and he's playing
25:32
Speaker 7: some of his best hockey that we've seen throughout his
25:36
Speaker 7: tenure here in Seattle. So I don't think the goaltending
25:40
Speaker 7: has been an issue, uh this season as opposed to
25:44
Speaker 7: just trying to generate more.
25:46
Speaker 3: Offense, and a lot of your offense, let's face it,
25:49
Speaker 3: in the NHL comes on that man advantage. And here
25:52
Speaker 3: you go oh for five against Dallas on the power play,
25:55
Speaker 3: and oh for two in getting shut out by Edmonton
25:59
Speaker 3: you obvious didn't succeed in it, and a one nothing
26:02
Speaker 3: shut out of the Islanders. How close does Lane feel
26:05
Speaker 3: that they are to rearranging the decks on the on
26:09
Speaker 3: the you know, the chairs on the deck, to try
26:12
Speaker 3: to get the right combination of guys so you can
26:14
Speaker 3: improve that power play. You got to be successful in
26:17
Speaker 3: that area.
26:18
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's it's not it's it's been an area of opportunity.
26:22
Speaker 7: We'll say that over the last handful of games. You
26:24
Speaker 7: go oh for six against the Oilers, you go oh
26:28
Speaker 7: for five against against Dallas, and I think the cracking
26:34
Speaker 7: a oh for their last thirteen or fourteen overall, going
26:38
Speaker 7: back a few games on the power.
26:39
Speaker 2: Play, Yeah, it's not. That's not great, boy, not great.
26:44
Speaker 7: And listen again, it all just comes from that shooting first,
26:52
Speaker 7: mentality and lane will tell you the looks that the
26:57
Speaker 7: Kraken a getting on the power play, they're not bad looks,
27:01
Speaker 7: but I think there is still too much waiting for
27:04
Speaker 7: the perfect pass, waiting for the perfect lane. And you
27:08
Speaker 7: go back to a lot of goals that have been
27:10
Speaker 7: scored this season, and particularly from the fourth line, who
27:14
Speaker 7: has done a really good job of shipping in offense
27:17
Speaker 7: this year. Pucks are going off of skates, they're going
27:20
Speaker 7: off of legs, and there was a ty Cartier goal
27:23
Speaker 7: last week in Chicago that went off of Oscar Fisker
27:28
Speaker 7: bouleguards inside knee, off of ty Cartier's outside knee and
27:33
Speaker 7: then went into the back of the dead And I
27:35
Speaker 7: also think too, with Jayden Schwartz now out six weeks,
27:39
Speaker 7: you lose a really big net front piece on the
27:43
Speaker 7: power play because Jaden Schwartz is the kind of guy
27:46
Speaker 7: that will score a goal off his face if he
27:48
Speaker 7: has to write, and you lose a lot of that
27:52
Speaker 7: with him on the shelf now for the next month
27:54
Speaker 7: and a half. So you know, I don't know what
27:57
Speaker 7: that looks like moving forward. The crack and they work
27:59
Speaker 7: on the power play every day in practice, it'll be
28:02
Speaker 7: interested to see what happens today and tomorrow at practice.
28:06
Speaker 7: The Cracking have got one of the very rare lulls
28:10
Speaker 7: in the schedule right now. They haven't played since Saturday.
28:13
Speaker 7: They'll play in two days time on Thursday. But after
28:17
Speaker 7: Thursday the Cracking are playing every other day, including a
28:21
Speaker 7: December twenty second, twenty third back to back going into Christmas.
28:25
Speaker 2: So the schedule is going to pick back up here.
28:27
Speaker 7: So hopefully, you know, the last couple of days today
28:30
Speaker 7: and tomorrow, you'll be able to make a lot of
28:33
Speaker 7: the practice time that you do get.
28:34
Speaker 3: You know, football play last like you know a second
28:37
Speaker 3: and a half, a baseball play, you know a few
28:41
Speaker 3: seconds more. I play by play guy on radio doesn't
28:46
Speaker 3: have to follow continuous action and those sports like a
28:49
Speaker 3: hockey guy does. So, how are you handling Oscar Fisker Moleguard?
28:54
Speaker 3: How is that flowing? Having to say that name every
28:58
Speaker 3: time that he the puck it's near him? Are you
29:00
Speaker 3: just skipping it over? Or if you come up with
29:02
Speaker 3: a nickname, what are we doing there?
29:04
Speaker 2: Oh?
29:05
Speaker 7: No, so you know when he when he was up here,
29:08
Speaker 7: you know, Oscar Fisker Moleguard. It's fun to say it's
29:12
Speaker 7: it's a very fun name to say. I will say
29:16
Speaker 7: we've shortened it to U O F m uh internally
29:20
Speaker 7: and in the in in in the shorthand.
29:23
Speaker 2: But no, you're gonna you're gonna really punch out the
29:26
Speaker 2: fish scur mole.
29:27
Speaker 7: Guard or the Oscar fish sker mole guard.
29:30
Speaker 2: You're gonna have fun with it.
29:31
Speaker 7: So I pride myself I'm being able to get everyone's
29:34
Speaker 7: full name in when I can. I mean, you're way
29:40
Speaker 7: unless you're Vancouver, who has an Elias and Elias and
29:43
Speaker 7: Marcus Patterson. So that that's the one team that I'm like,
29:47
Speaker 7: I hope they're not on the guys at the same time.
29:48
Speaker 3: I mean, they all can't be Capo CaCO, you know
29:51
Speaker 3: what I mean.
29:52
Speaker 2: They can't all be.
29:56
Speaker 3: Back on the call Thursday back against the Edmonton oiler.
30:00
Speaker 3: I hope you had a great Thanksgiving. We'll talk to
30:03
Speaker 3: you again next week.
30:05
Speaker 2: I did.
30:05
Speaker 7: And I'm gonna instruct risk more to not approve any
30:08
Speaker 7: more of your vacation time.
30:09
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, good for the hockey team.
30:12
Speaker 2: Really yeah, great for the hockey team.
30:14
Speaker 7: We have we have games to win, you have playoffs
30:18
Speaker 7: to make.
30:18
Speaker 2: We can't have shut Powell getting some quality time with
30:21
Speaker 2: his family.
30:22
Speaker 3: You have that, I really do have to start appreciating
30:25
Speaker 3: my value to the Kracking. You're right, thank you, their
30:30
Speaker 3: appreciate you as see it.
30:32
Speaker 2: All right.
30:33
Speaker 3: The great Evert fits you right here, the voice of
30:36
Speaker 3: your Seattle Kracking, and he will be on the call
30:38
Speaker 3: Thursday night, back against the Oilers. We got to snap
30:41
Speaker 3: this three game losing streak, all right. Coming up next
30:44
Speaker 3: on the program, how many NFL teams actually did drop
30:48
Speaker 3: the ball at quarterback this offseason? Some interesting reporting done
30:53
Speaker 3: this morning, and also a situation that certainly strikes close
30:57
Speaker 3: to home that we should discuss as well on sport
31:00
Speaker 3: It's Radio ninety three point three KHRFM. New Isel joins
31:03
Speaker 3: us at the top of the hour. We got a
31:05
Speaker 3: lot to discuss with our college football insider, and the
31:08
Speaker 3: old Judge will also stop by in the nine o'clock hour,
31:12
Speaker 3: and it does give us a little, short, little window
31:14
Speaker 3: here to discuss something that I heard this morning. Adam
31:17
Speaker 3: Schefter was reporting that Matthew Stafford it was legitimately being
31:21
Speaker 3: shopped here. He is the MVP front runner in a
31:24
Speaker 3: lot of circles and was legitimately being shopped by the
31:27
Speaker 3: Los Angeles Rams in the offseason, and the Rams would
31:32
Speaker 3: have pulled the trigger had any of the teams with
31:34
Speaker 3: quarterback needs given them more than a second round pick offer.
31:38
Speaker 3: Had they gotten a first round pick offer, they would
31:42
Speaker 3: have traded Matt Stafford. I mean then that that statement
31:46
Speaker 3: is just loaded with so many different things that you
31:50
Speaker 3: could talk about. Because number one would why were the
31:54
Speaker 3: Rams shopping Matt Stafford? Goodness sake? Number two? How come
32:00
Speaker 3: the Steelers, who seemed so desperate, weren't willing to give
32:03
Speaker 3: a first round pick for Matt Stafford? Why did Geno
32:08
Speaker 3: Smith end up with the Raiders if all it took
32:10
Speaker 3: was a first round pick for Matt Stafford. I get
32:13
Speaker 3: that he's an older, if not old quarterback by NFL standards,
32:19
Speaker 3: but man, that guy just seemed to be playing as
32:22
Speaker 3: well as he'd ever played in his National Football League career.
32:26
Speaker 3: And for teams to have that many opportunities to kind
32:30
Speaker 3: of solve their quarterback issue at least for a couple
32:33
Speaker 3: of years, to not be able to pay that price
32:36
Speaker 3: seems like a mistake. Now, that's for sures. In hindsight,
32:39
Speaker 3: seems like a lot of teams might have dropped the
32:41
Speaker 3: ball this offseason and it would have been nice to
32:43
Speaker 3: get him out of the division. Yeah, I mean, I
32:45
Speaker 3: don't know.
32:46
Speaker 4: I suppose that maybe they were a little worried about
32:50
Speaker 4: his durability or his injury. Right, we know they had
32:53
Speaker 4: a back issue, and so maybe they were like, if
32:55
Speaker 4: we could get a first rounder when we're thinking maybe
32:58
Speaker 4: he can stay healthy, maybe he can.
33:00
Speaker 2: And they have.
33:01
Speaker 4: Jimmy Garoppolo, which is a step backwards most certainly, And
33:04
Speaker 4: yet Sean McVay probably feels like he could make Jimmy
33:07
Speaker 4: Garoppolo work with his system and.
33:10
Speaker 3: Can't make a Matt Stafford.
33:11
Speaker 4: No, No, definitely not the Matt Stafford we're seeing right now,
33:14
Speaker 4: but really who Matt Stafford has been forever.
33:16
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean a little bit.
33:17
Speaker 4: I started kind of going through and you know, trying
33:20
Speaker 4: not to think of hindsight, think of the beginning season
33:22
Speaker 4: or during last offseason, after the draft, you start looking
33:26
Speaker 4: around and some of the teams that are obvious, like
33:29
Speaker 4: the Saints. You know, they had the whole Derek Carr
33:32
Speaker 4: situation where that's who they had as their starting quarterback,
33:35
Speaker 4: and then he decided he just wasn't going to have
33:38
Speaker 4: he wasn't going to be able to come back from
33:40
Speaker 4: the injury that he had had, and so they were
33:42
Speaker 4: kind of left with nothing. And yet I think maybe
33:45
Speaker 4: they were they feel like they're further away from a
33:47
Speaker 4: matt Stafford.
33:49
Speaker 3: I get why the Saints wouldn't do it, but a
33:51
Speaker 3: team like the Steelers. Steelers's trying to break out of
33:54
Speaker 3: the mediocre mold that they've been stuck in here for
33:58
Speaker 3: the last few years, are you not making that well?
34:01
Speaker 4: I think they obviously were became infatuated with Aaron Rodgers
34:04
Speaker 4: and the fact that Aaron Rodgers over the course of
34:08
Speaker 4: their careers has had a better career. Now, he's not
34:11
Speaker 4: better now than what Matthew Stafford is, and so you know,
34:15
Speaker 4: in hindsight, it was definitely a mistake. And I think
34:17
Speaker 4: a lot of people probably would have said, if you
34:19
Speaker 4: had the opportunity to get matt Stafford versus not give
34:23
Speaker 4: up anything for Aaron Rodgers, that it would have been
34:25
Speaker 4: a good debate to have before you saw how the
34:28
Speaker 4: season has gone for Aaron Rodgers. And yet I think
34:31
Speaker 4: that they must have just fallen in love with the
34:33
Speaker 4: idea of, wait, we can get one last hurrah out
34:35
Speaker 4: of Aaron Rodgers. Maybe that is what puts us over
34:38
Speaker 4: the top. We don't have to give up anything for him.
34:40
Speaker 3: And I think about our situation, and we brought it
34:42
Speaker 3: up a little bit with Coach and Hugh yesterday. I mean,
34:45
Speaker 3: Minnesota Vikings. What a mistake. I mean, it is a mistake.
34:48
Speaker 3: There is no getting around it. I'm not saying that
34:51
Speaker 3: drafting JJ McCarthy was a mistake. There's still time to
34:54
Speaker 3: figure that out as we go. And they got to
34:56
Speaker 3: keep him healthy and see that if he can improve,
34:59
Speaker 3: because he really and been healthy since he took over there.
35:03
Speaker 3: But to buy time by just slapping a friend. You
35:06
Speaker 3: wouldn't even had to give up anything for Sam Darnold.
35:09
Speaker 3: Just slap the franchise tag on him, pay him thirty
35:12
Speaker 3: million dollars, you know, even if he's your backup, you've
35:16
Speaker 3: got something to JJ McCarthy and to just let him
35:19
Speaker 3: walk and for him to end up here in Seattle.
35:22
Speaker 3: I saw the look on Justin Jefferson's face. I saw
35:26
Speaker 3: it when he met him after the game was over,
35:29
Speaker 3: and he granted he had two catchers for four yards.
35:31
Speaker 3: He was very frustrated, but he like ran into Sam's
35:33
Speaker 3: arms to tell him how much he misses him. What
35:36
Speaker 3: a tremendous dropping of the ball that was by the
35:39
Speaker 3: Minnesota Vikings. A lot of I mean quarterback just boneheaded
35:44
Speaker 3: decisions made by front offices. It's why we have jobs.
35:47
Speaker 3: It's why fans get the fan. It's like, because I
35:50
Speaker 3: could have done better than you in that situation.
35:53
Speaker 2: GM.
35:54
Speaker 4: Yeah, they just end up once they'd end up doing
35:56
Speaker 4: the you know, making a big draft pick like that
35:58
Speaker 4: that they want to get out there and have that
36:00
Speaker 4: payoff make themselves look right. But well you did take
36:02
Speaker 4: a step back, giving up a guy that obviously played
36:05
Speaker 4: and took them to what fourteen wins last year and
36:07
Speaker 4: turning it over to a guy who had no experience
36:10
Speaker 4: because of you know, blowing out his aco last year.
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Speaker 3: And I think a Geno it's like the Raiders convincing
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Speaker 3: themselves that they're ready and they're a quarterback away. They're
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Speaker 3: not ready. They're not a quarterback away. And then you've
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Speaker 3: got Tom Brady on your staff and he signed off
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Speaker 3: on Geno Smith being the solution for the Raiders that
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Speaker 3: turns them around. I mean, just a lot of bad
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Speaker 3: quarterback decisions. He was probably too focused on cloning his
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Speaker 3: dog though to be fair, that's true. Maybe don't be surprised.
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Speaker 3: He's not trying to clone himself to be the next
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