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Mark Belling Podcast #101: Wisconsin Election Commission refuses to show voter records to the DOJ: what are they hiding? Meanwhile, Atlanta officials now admit 315,000 votes were illegally cast in the 2020 election (Trump is saying "I told you so") and the state of MAGA/American conservative movement on stage at Turning Point USA's AmericaFest featuring Nicki Minaj's star turn, JD Vance's hero's welcome and Tucker Carlson's tone-deaf pro-Muslim screed · The Mark Belling Podcast

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about the state of the American
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Speaker 2: conservative movement. I think that there are two centers of
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Speaker 2: the universe. I don't even know if there is a
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Speaker 2: center of the universe, but in terms of the conservative world,
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Speaker 2: there are two. The first is obvious. That's the White House.
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Speaker 2: It's where President Trump is and you don't even explain
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Speaker 2: why that would be a center of the universe. But
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Speaker 2: there's a second one, and that would be the non
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Speaker 2: government part of the conservative world, in other words, all
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Speaker 2: the rest of us. And I believe even after the
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Speaker 2: passing of passing is the wrong word, even after the
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Speaker 2: killing of Charlie Kirk, Turning Point is still the center
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Speaker 2: of the conservative universe. Turning Point is really the first
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Speaker 2: group that I can think of in which the right,
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Speaker 2: broadly speaking, was organized. The left has organized foreff They've
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Speaker 2: had lots of different groups that they've always been organized,
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Speaker 2: and it was one of the strengths that they have.
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Speaker 2: Part of the reason for that is they have all
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Speaker 2: of these people who are employees of nonprofits, and the
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Speaker 2: purpose of the nonprofit is basically to get more money
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Speaker 2: for themselves and elect democratic public officials. So therefore they
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Speaker 2: have all of this time to do the organizing and
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Speaker 2: do all of that works. Republicans, most conservatives have regular
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Speaker 2: old lives, hard to organize them, who's going to do it,
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Speaker 2: and so on? But Turning Point has done this. It
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Speaker 2: predominantly focuses on younger conservatives, but it's reach I think
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Speaker 2: has grown beyond that. They held a big meeting over
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Speaker 2: the weekend. I'm very vague on this. Paul sent me
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Speaker 2: some information. Do you claim that your wife was at
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Speaker 2: this or what was? One of Paul's daughters and his
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Speaker 2: wife have been at the Turning Point meeting out in
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Speaker 2: Arizona for the last several days, so they have first
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Speaker 2: hand knowledge of all of this. But when Turning Point
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Speaker 2: puts on one of these big deals, everyone who is
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Speaker 2: The term influencer is kind of overused, but it makes
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Speaker 2: sense here. Everyone who is at any fashion an influencer
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Speaker 2: in the conservative world wants to be part of this
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Speaker 2: because it's where the action is. Some didn't speak, probably
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Speaker 2: because they weren't allowed to speak. Most others did speak
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Speaker 2: because Turning Point is always trying to perceive itself as
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Speaker 2: an umbrella organization tolerant of lots of views. So what
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Speaker 2: happened there, I think it's indicative of where the conservative
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Speaker 2: movement is. I can't summarize the whole thing, but I've
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Speaker 2: now if you want to see how the mainstream media
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Speaker 2: focuses on the conservative movement. It's stuff like this. There's
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Speaker 2: a headline js online preddition of the journal on Monday
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Speaker 2: and this podcast released on Monday. By the way, I
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Speaker 2: have found that it is more important than ever to
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Speaker 2: mention when the podcast is released, because I now think
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Speaker 2: most people are just behind, and when I say behind,
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Speaker 2: they're like two or three podcasts away from the one
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Speaker 2: that I'm most I'm just maybe it's just the way
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Speaker 2: people react to me. I just heard ninety six, I
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Speaker 2: just heard this one, I just heard the other one.
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Speaker 2: And they all do number them. They don't say the
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Speaker 2: Monday podcast. They say whatever the number is and the behind.
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Speaker 2: So giving you a frame of reference of when this
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Speaker 2: is being released is probably important. So anyway, this is
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Speaker 2: in the Monday, December twenty second see newspaper. Here's the
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Speaker 2: hellline Mega clashes at turning point event see newspaper. Headline
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Speaker 2: writers are, by and large terrible. I was a headline editor.
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Speaker 2: I was the editor of my student newspaper, and one
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Speaker 2: of the things that editors do, even the sub editors,
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Speaker 2: is you write headlines. Most people hated it because writing
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Speaker 2: a headline headline is just a pain in the ass.
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Speaker 2: First of all, you have to fit the number of
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Speaker 2: characters that are available. You have to decide how big
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Speaker 2: the headline is going to be, and that determines based
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Speaker 2: on the space that you have, the number of characters
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Speaker 2: that you have, and then you've got to boil out
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Speaker 2: and summarize a story to be able to essentially tell
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Speaker 2: the whole story in like five or six words. I
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Speaker 2: liked doing that. Most people didn't. When people in the
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Speaker 2: media now, the way newspapers are run, they've got like
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Speaker 2: an editor sitting in the case of gonna add some
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Speaker 2: central part of the universe, editing for sixteen newspapers. They
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Speaker 2: barely read the story. They crank something out. And this
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Speaker 2: is more than anything else in the media, It's where
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Speaker 2: their bias comes out. Mega clash is a turning point
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Speaker 2: of it. Well, first of all, now you know exactly
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Speaker 2: where the story is gonna come from, instead of focusing
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Speaker 2: on anything that anyone said, or anything interesting or anything
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Speaker 2: positives like they clashed. Well, of course there were a
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Speaker 2: clash because the conservative movement doesn't see eye to eye
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Speaker 2: on all issues. You couldn't put together any group of
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Speaker 2: anybody other than saying the AOC crowded the squad where
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Speaker 2: they don't clash because there you're not allowed to clash.
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Speaker 2: You're required to think the way everybody else thinks. It's
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Speaker 2: kind of like China. You don't think this way, you're
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Speaker 2: sent off on your disappeared, but they do rightly focus
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Speaker 2: on a couple of things, including the fact that Candae
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Speaker 2: Owans didn't speak. Now, if you've not followed this, there's
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Speaker 2: a reason that she didn't speak. Candie Owans has been
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Speaker 2: crapping all over Turning Point ever since Charlie Kirk was killed.
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Speaker 2: She had a meeting with Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow, who
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Speaker 2: now runs the organization, and they said it kind of,
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Speaker 2: you know, found agreement on certain things. But Candace Owans
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Speaker 2: has essentially suggested that Charlie was killed by Turning Point people,
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Speaker 2: or that they knew about it or enabled it. When
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Speaker 2: interviewed about this, she says, I'm just asking questions. She's
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Speaker 2: not asking questions. She's made accusations, So she didn't speak
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Speaker 2: at this. And one of the story is is that
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Speaker 2: lots of people were talking about her. None of those well,
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Speaker 2: it's no kidding. They might have been talking about the
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Speaker 2: Arizona Cardinals football game too. The point though, I'm bringing
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Speaker 2: this up is I think what Erica Kirk and the
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Speaker 2: Turning Point people are trying to do is keep a
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Speaker 2: very big tent. But there are limits. If you're suggesting
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Speaker 2: that people running this organization killed my husband you're probably
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Speaker 2: outside the tent. But Tucker Carlson did speak. Tucker Carlson
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Speaker 2: is someone who he's wandering to the edge of this
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Speaker 2: big conservative tent. Tucker has been incredibly successful, but as
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Speaker 2: I've said in a few past podcasts, I'm I've been
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Speaker 2: confused about what he's been up to for the last
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Speaker 2: I don't know, six to nine months, in which just
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Speaker 2: seems to me that he's become obsessed with the issue
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Speaker 2: of Israel to the point of exclusion of being interested
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Speaker 2: in anything else. The Israel issue is one of those
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Speaker 2: issues in which some conservatives disagree. However, I think you'd
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Speaker 2: be hard pressed to find many conservatives who think that
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Speaker 2: it is the most important issue confronting America. It's an issue,
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Speaker 2: but it dwarfs in comparison to numerous other problems that
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Speaker 2: we face, including the fact that the Democrats have gone
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Speaker 2: all out Marxist. Nonetheless, Pucker's all over this. Now, I
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Speaker 2: was not at the event. I could haul in Paul's
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Speaker 2: wife here in a comment and what she thought of
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Speaker 2: what was going on at the event. Well, that's it.
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Speaker 2: But I do have and again, everybody interprets things differently.
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Speaker 2: We all have biases. I try when I report on
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Speaker 2: things that I've seen or observed or have a thought on,
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Speaker 2: to be free of these biases and report things accurately.
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Speaker 2: And then the bias comes in when I express my opinion. Now,
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Speaker 2: this is one guy's take. He posted an X under
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Speaker 2: the name Wells Jordan. It's the Reverend Jordan Wells bombshell
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Speaker 2: at Amfest America Fest. That's the Turnt group. Dead silence
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Speaker 2: from the tp USA. That's turning pot USA crowd as
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Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson spans his entire speech shilling for Islam. Zero cheers, crickets.
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Speaker 2: You could hear a pindrop Tucker Catarlson. That's a guy's name. See,
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Speaker 2: it doesn't work if you're pronounce Qatar Cutter the way
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Speaker 2: some people pronounce it. But if you're pronounce a Qatar,
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Speaker 2: it's a pretty clever Tucker Catarlson. Okay, that's not bad.
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Speaker 2: But if you said Tucker Cutterlson, it wouldn't work. I've
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Speaker 2: argued forever. Whatever Qatar's name is just everybody decided. And
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Speaker 2: you know, half the people say cutter, the other says
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Speaker 2: I don't care, but it is just all the side.
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Speaker 2: I prefer to say Qatar because it rolls off the
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Speaker 2: tongue better, and it's what they call the country as
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Speaker 2: long as they've been alive. Paul agrees with you, o
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Speaker 2: this right? Well, that all right fine? Anybody who disagrees
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Speaker 2: with that, what are you gonna do about it? Tucker
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Speaker 2: Katar Elson is officially gone. This is the guy writing,
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Speaker 2: though this is not my opinion, the man who once
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Speaker 2: exposed the establishment is now a paid mouthpiece for Islamic
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Speaker 2: apologists and Qatar's agenda daily anti Israel, rants soft on
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Speaker 2: jihadist sympathizing regimes, but suddenly Islam gets the kid gloves treatment,
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Speaker 2: and other words, guy's asking the question of Tucker's challenged
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Speaker 2: every establishment that there is, and it's the reason that
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Speaker 2: he got to where he was, and it's also the
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Speaker 2: reason that he met a lot of people at Fox
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Speaker 2: and elsewhere uncomfortable. But the challenging just seems to stop
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Speaker 2: when it comes to the Islamist movement. Now, whatever the
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Speaker 2: motivation for it is, Tucker's become, in my opinion, just
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Speaker 2: the one note singer. And based on this and now again,
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Speaker 2: this person obviously disagrees with Tucker on this position, but
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Speaker 2: his point that he was making is that none of
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Speaker 2: it resonated with the Turning Point crowd that without regard
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Speaker 2: to and they're sure there are people in the Turning
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Speaker 2: Point crowd that are more in the Candice Owns Tucker
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Speaker 2: Carlson point of view on things in Israel, and quite
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Speaker 2: a few that are more closer to the Ben Shapiro
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Speaker 2: position on the issue, very pro Israel. Nonetheless, I don't
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Speaker 2: think it was what any of them particularly wanted to hear.
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Speaker 2: And according to this guy, it just didn't resonate. It
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Speaker 2: fell flat. I want to tell you, though, who didn't
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Speaker 2: fall flat. I'm glad we picked up on this as
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Speaker 2: quickly as we did. For those of you who stop
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Speaker 2: paying attention to music and know nothing about hip hop
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Speaker 2: or rap, and you stop paying attention to music forty
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Speaker 2: years ago and you know nothing about hip hop or rap.
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Speaker 2: Nicki Minaj is a big deal. Again. The term influencer
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Speaker 2: probably there probably needs to be a better word, because
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Speaker 2: it covers almost every rapper or hip hop artist is
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Speaker 2: an influencer. I mean, one of them holds up a
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Speaker 2: bottle of vodka and instantly that's the bottle of vodka
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Speaker 2: the people are ordering at the bars. It's remarkable the
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Speaker 2: power that they have their brand endorsers, and that's because
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Speaker 2: a lot of the people who follow them identify with
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Speaker 2: what they have to say. You know, the Kardashians just
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Speaker 2: made a field day out of this. Put your name
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Speaker 2: on something. The youngest one, what's her name, The one's
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Speaker 2: last name is Jenner. What's her first name? Kylie? Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean she's a billionaire with the product, and it's
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Speaker 2: just it's she creates a brand and publicizes the brand. Well.
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Speaker 2: Nicki Minaj is a big deal, and she has made
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Speaker 2: a turn. It's been rather quick, and I don't know
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Speaker 2: if everyone could trust it yet that she could turn
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Speaker 2: just as quickly the other way. But Nicki Minaj is
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Speaker 2: broadly speaking mega. The first conservative comments that she made
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Speaker 2: that I was aware of came a few months ago
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Speaker 2: when she joined in with those voices that are trying
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Speaker 2: to draw attention to the genocide in Africa of Christians.
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Speaker 2: There is an incredible growth in Christianity in Central Africa,
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Speaker 2: Catholicism and a number of Protestant religions, primarily because of
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Speaker 2: missionary work that's gone on there. This is a tremendous
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Speaker 2: threat to Muslims who believe that if you're not a
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Speaker 2: Muslim you should be killed and they're being slaughtered right
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Speaker 2: and left. Several commenters pointed out about this, Pope Leo
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Speaker 2: commented on it, a number of others, and Nicki Minaj
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Speaker 2: on her social media posts simply echoed and reposted something
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Speaker 2: and threw in a comment on her own about the
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Speaker 2: terrible genocide that's going on. Again, it's not a clear
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Speaker 2: right versus left issue, but it certainly seems to me
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Speaker 2: that the left has been rather silent on the slaughter
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Speaker 2: in Africa of Christians. When Nicki Minaje said that, then
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Speaker 2: she launched off a little over a week ago on
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Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom. Now we all know why Gavin. First of all,
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Speaker 2: California is important, but secondly, Gavin Newsom's probably going to
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Speaker 2: be the Democratic candidate for president in twenty twenty eight,
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Speaker 2: and Nicki Minaj launched off on him. Then she showed
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Speaker 2: up a turning point. No, again, she's not a political speaker,
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Speaker 2: and I don't think that she's well versed on every
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Speaker 2: issue that there is that's out there. The significance of
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Speaker 2: Nicki Minaj being a turning point is that Nicki Minaj
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Speaker 2: is a turning point. We've joked over the years about
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Speaker 2: the number of celebrities that are on our side, the conservatives,
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Speaker 2: you could other than really obscure ones. You can cut
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Speaker 2: them on one hand. Take out country music, and we've
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Speaker 2: had like none. Name all the rock and roll conservatives
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Speaker 2: that you can think of. Forever and ever, it was
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Speaker 2: only one Ted Nugent. Then we got kind of got
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Speaker 2: Kid Rock, who sort of crosses rock and roll at
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Speaker 2: hip hop. I mean that, Okay, Paul named the third one.
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Speaker 2: It's remarkable. There's a sillion people. There are sum that
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Speaker 2: have had you know, that's been at what Yeah, I
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Speaker 2: just mean that you've been able to identify, though for years,
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Speaker 2: as being figures of the right that we could count
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Speaker 2: on as having our side. Ted Dugit was forever and
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Speaker 2: he was in the ra and everything else, and then
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Speaker 2: Kid Rock for the last number of years. But otherwise
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Speaker 2: it's been the desert. Then named the number of like actors.
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Speaker 2: I mean, for the longest time, it was Tom Sellick
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Speaker 2: and nobody else, and Cline East would partly he was
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Speaker 2: much more moderate. He just wasn't liberal. Nonetheless, it's been
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Speaker 2: expressed that there have been many, many, many more, and
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Speaker 2: many people have commented to this. They've been simply silenced,
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Speaker 2: you can't work, you'll be ostracized, You're done if you
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Speaker 2: express it. Finally, I think not only the fact that
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Speaker 2: Trump won, but he carried the popular vote in twenty
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Speaker 2: four It's just changed things. I mean, the silencing of
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Speaker 2: people has really slowed down. People aren't afraid anymore. So
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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, Nicki Minaje comes around. She was
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Speaker 2: at turning point, which is I say, it's a huge deal.
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Speaker 2: And again, if you're like, I don't know what percentage
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Speaker 2: of my audience is A lot have heard of her,
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Speaker 2: but I don't know anything else beyond that. How many
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Speaker 2: people would like know something beyond just they know her name?
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Speaker 2: Of my percentage in my audience thirty five, suffice to say,
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Speaker 2: suffice to say that she's huge And in the case
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Speaker 2: of your daughter, she would be Yeah, I would say
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Speaker 2: she's close to what Whitney Houston would have been back
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Speaker 2: when we were younger, thirty or forty years ago. Right,
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Speaker 2: you're right, Taylor step showed off the Chiefs game. It
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Speaker 2: hit a whole new crowd of people. Nicki minaj going
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Speaker 2: to turning Point, it's the same kind of thing. We're
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Speaker 2: going to play a segment here. No again, I don't
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Speaker 2: think Nicki Minaj is deeply considered every conservative issue. So
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Speaker 2: she appeared on stage jointly with Eric A. Kirk and
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Speaker 2: they had like a conversation. We're gonna play just a
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Speaker 2: couple minutes of it here and the significance of it
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Speaker 2: is that it happened. So the first voice you'll hear
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Speaker 2: is eric and then she talks to Nicki Minaj.
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Speaker 3: So, with regard to the current administration, what has been
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Speaker 3: maybe the biggest surprise for you or something that you
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Speaker 3: just really has been put on your heart that you've
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Speaker 3: learned about our president and our vice president.
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Speaker 4: Well, I have the utmost respect and admiration for our president.
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Speaker 4: He he has I don't know if he even knows this,
18:23
Speaker 4: but he's given so many people hope that there's a
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Speaker 4: chance to beat the bad guys and to win, and
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Speaker 4: to do it with your head held high and your
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Speaker 4: integrity intact. He's from Queens, New York like me. So,
18:50
Speaker 4: but what it's shown me personally is sometimes you know,
18:57
Speaker 4: even in the worst feeling times in your life, you
19:00
Speaker 4: think that you're never going to come back from it,
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Speaker 4: but you do. And our president shows that he's been
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Speaker 4: through every single thing a person could be through publicly
19:14
Speaker 4: having a constantly be lied on. It's not really that
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Speaker 4: funny until you are in that person's shoes that's being
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Speaker 4: lied on. You'll never understand what it feels like. That
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Speaker 4: person is a human being. They have a family who
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Speaker 4: has to read those lies, and that's not and it's
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Speaker 4: just not fair. But this administration is full of people
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Speaker 4: with heart and soul and they make me proud of them.
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Speaker 4: Our vice president, he makes me well.
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Speaker 2: I love both of them.
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Speaker 4: But they're both powerful men, smart, strong, all of that.
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Speaker 4: But both of them have a very uncanny ability to
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Speaker 4: be someone that you relate to. I can relate to
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Speaker 4: them when I hear them speak, I know that they're
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Speaker 4: one of us, like I know that they're not. Don't
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Speaker 4: you guys agree? They haven't. They haven't lost they haven't
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Speaker 4: lost touch.
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Speaker 2: It went on. Now, Paul made the comment again his
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Speaker 2: wife and daughter are there, that the place was crawling
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Speaker 2: with women. When Turning Point found it, it was very young.
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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk's a guy, and it was very young, male dominated.
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Speaker 2: And you know, young single females has been the most
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Speaker 2: overwhelmingly democratic voting black that we've had in this country,
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Speaker 2: with the exception perhaps in general of African Americans, and
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Speaker 2: there's I'm not going to say that the majority of
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Speaker 2: young females are now conservative, but that is the greatest
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Speaker 2: area of growth that's going on right now. And as
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Speaker 2: I say, I think it starts with First of all,
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Speaker 2: you just see the way leftist women force you to
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Speaker 2: agree with them, because they are so demeaning to you.
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Speaker 2: If you disagree, you're not a woman, you're not of this,
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Speaker 2: you're not of that. There's never any argument of substance
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Speaker 2: from them. It's simply a bullering, bullying and slamming down
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Speaker 2: of this is the way that you're supposed to think.
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Speaker 2: So when someone steps out and says I'm not part
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Speaker 2: of this, it has an impact because some people who
21:44
Speaker 2: may not have thought much about issues in their now
21:47
Speaker 2: it's okay to think this way. Now their mind is open.
21:49
Speaker 2: They pick up on other things, perspectives that they hadn't
21:52
Speaker 2: been exposed to before. I could just tell you over
21:54
Speaker 2: the years that when people come up to me and
21:56
Speaker 2: you know, they're belling babies and they found my podcast,
21:59
Speaker 2: but also because they're sitting in the car with their
22:01
Speaker 2: parents getting picked up from school and so on and
22:03
Speaker 2: then they became listeners said I was the only voice
22:06
Speaker 2: they had heard anywhere, because there's teachers, everything else, other
22:09
Speaker 2: than maybe their mom and dad talking at home, you
22:11
Speaker 2: hear other things that suddenly you realize it's okay to
22:14
Speaker 2: think this way. Now your mind is open. So the
22:16
Speaker 2: importance of Nicki Minaj being at this thing is that
22:19
Speaker 2: Nicki Minaj was added. Secondly, you didn't hear her getting
22:24
Speaker 2: into deep public policy stuff. She said, I think they
22:28
Speaker 2: care about there. They're one of us. And Paul makes
22:35
Speaker 2: the point of strong men, which a lot of young
22:37
Speaker 2: women are just have been repelled by the woosy mailed
22:41
Speaker 2: that's out through and I think the strong male things
22:43
Speaker 2: is what's appealed the whole thing. Charlie Kirk pushed to
22:47
Speaker 2: a lot of younger men, especially the youngest of the
22:50
Speaker 2: millennials and a lot of the Gen zs who've broken
22:53
Speaker 2: ranks from the prevailing thinking. But one of the things
22:56
Speaker 2: that Nicki Minaj said is just imagine being lied on.
23:00
Speaker 2: That's how she expressed it. I mean, I think back
23:04
Speaker 2: to when I was a kid, there was nothing worse
23:05
Speaker 2: than like you were accused by a teacher or your
23:08
Speaker 2: parent of somebody. You know, suppose somebody did something and
23:10
Speaker 2: they said you did it, and you didn't. I mean
23:13
Speaker 2: all the time, you did do it, and you're trying
23:15
Speaker 2: to weasele your way out of it. But there's nothing
23:17
Speaker 2: worse than being accused of doing something that you didn't do.
23:22
Speaker 2: That's all Trump's been exposed, you hammered with. And I
23:28
Speaker 2: suspect at some point, probably in the rapper world, with
23:31
Speaker 2: all these rivalries or some gossiping, probably and I'm not
23:33
Speaker 2: up on Nicki Minaja, probably somebody said something about her
23:36
Speaker 2: at one point that wasn't true or something, and that's
23:38
Speaker 2: why she brought that up. Anyway, It made me think
23:41
Speaker 2: when you go back to some of the things that
23:46
Speaker 2: Rob Reiner said about Trump, the comments that Trump made
23:53
Speaker 2: following Rob Reiner's death were nothing in comparison to what
23:57
Speaker 2: Rob Reiner said about Trump. Now, I still don't think
23:59
Speaker 2: Trump's you would have said it. I don't think if
24:01
Speaker 2: somebody dies, if you don't like him, you keep your
24:03
Speaker 2: mouth shut and bring it up later or so forth,
24:04
Speaker 2: and so on. Nonetheless, you can see how that's still
24:12
Speaker 2: stung with Trump, the fact that Rob Ryaner lied about
24:15
Speaker 2: him and told this BS and one other point to
24:21
Speaker 2: make about Turning Point. JD. Van's book, There's an interesting
24:26
Speaker 2: Peace in the Epic Times. It's a very good conservative publication,
24:31
Speaker 2: and it draws attention to, if not a formal endorsement,
24:34
Speaker 2: that the Turning Point Empire, and that's the headline that's
24:39
Speaker 2: used here is all in on JD. Vance any other
24:44
Speaker 2: Republican make ittstead of running for president, the Turning Point
24:47
Speaker 2: group is behind JD. First of all, being as young
24:52
Speaker 2: as he is, that's their guy. Secondly, in terms of
24:55
Speaker 2: his life story and his identification very Charlie Kirk like
24:59
Speaker 2: very I think like the people who make up Turning Point,
25:03
Speaker 2: which is by and large Middle Americans, people who are
25:06
Speaker 2: not part of the cultural lead and have rejected all
25:09
Speaker 2: of that stuff. JD give a speech, They're very well received.
25:12
Speaker 2: But the point of the story is is that the
25:16
Speaker 2: really the entire group of influencers that make up Turning
25:20
Speaker 2: Point are all in on JD. Vance in twenty twenty eight.
25:26
Speaker 2: And some of the ones that are dissing and naysaying
25:29
Speaker 2: and kind of off on the margins, you know, Candice Owens,
25:32
Speaker 2: Tucker Mergery, Teeler Green, some of the others, they're really
25:36
Speaker 2: not part of that large loop that is turning point.
25:40
Speaker 2: All right, I want to turn my attention to the
25:42
Speaker 2: aftermath of the Hannah Dugan conviction. Her legal team. Now
25:48
Speaker 2: their next step is they're going to try to get
25:50
Speaker 2: the judge Len Adolan to overturn the jury verdict. That
25:56
Speaker 2: can happen after a verdict comes in. The judge has
26:00
Speaker 2: the decision to not accept the verdict and say I'm
26:04
Speaker 2: just ruling the jury got it wrong. And Steve Buskoupik,
26:09
Speaker 2: former US attorney who's now one of the ninety seven
26:12
Speaker 2: million lawyers that are working for Hannahdugan, say, we think
26:15
Speaker 2: that we can convince the judge to do this. And
26:17
Speaker 2: one of the bases they have is, oh, it's a
26:19
Speaker 2: split verdict. The media by that, we keep saying it's
26:22
Speaker 2: a split verdict. There were two charges. One's a felony,
26:26
Speaker 2: the other's a misdemeanor. She's convicted of the felony and
26:29
Speaker 2: not the misdemeanor. I mean, yeah, I suppose you could
26:31
Speaker 2: say that it's a split verdict. But when the jury
26:34
Speaker 2: convicts you on the felon, I mean, usually the way
26:36
Speaker 2: this works is you got ten or eleven jurors who
26:39
Speaker 2: are convinced of guilt one or two the wobble and okay,
26:45
Speaker 2: let's dismiss this charge. And when it's the misdemeanor charge
26:49
Speaker 2: that they don't convict on, that means that there was
26:51
Speaker 2: a strong sense guilty of the felony. The felony, of course,
26:55
Speaker 2: has way more implications than the misdemeanor. The felony is
26:59
Speaker 2: you know, you can't both as long as you're under
27:02
Speaker 2: supervision for your punishment. They're just numerous sanctions that a
27:05
Speaker 2: felony carries, that not a misdemeanor. And the defensive is saying,
27:08
Speaker 2: but it was essentially the same crime. Now, my guess
27:11
Speaker 2: is that they charged both because the prosecutors were fearing
27:14
Speaker 2: that the jury didn't want to convict him the more
27:16
Speaker 2: serious charge. They brought up the both, but they charged
27:19
Speaker 2: they convicted on the more serious one. See, well, the
27:21
Speaker 2: judge is gonna look at this is not making any sense.
27:23
Speaker 2: How do you say that they're guilty of one or
27:24
Speaker 2: not the other? Except that happens all the time. Secondly,
27:27
Speaker 2: hardly ever, there's a judge. Often a judge will throw
27:31
Speaker 2: out a case during the trial. They'll lobbies make a
27:34
Speaker 2: motion before they go to the jury. We move, we
27:37
Speaker 2: move for a not guilty ruttering in the basis of
27:39
Speaker 2: overwhelming that clearly didn't do it. Very rare that a
27:44
Speaker 2: judge after the jury convicts throws out the conviction. Further,
27:50
Speaker 2: remember that Len Adelman was the judge who found probable
27:55
Speaker 2: cause for the case to proceed. Probable cause means just
27:59
Speaker 2: that probably they did it. Didn't mean they did, but
28:02
Speaker 2: probably they did it. If the judge doesn't find probable cause,
28:06
Speaker 2: the case doesn't go to trial. So he already ruled that. Now,
28:10
Speaker 2: the one thing I suppose you could say is that
28:11
Speaker 2: lenninghem Is is as liberal a federal judges the areas in
28:14
Speaker 2: the United States of America, and he's been a lot
28:16
Speaker 2: of bad decisions over the years. But I haven't seen
28:19
Speaker 2: anything in the way he handled this case, or in
28:21
Speaker 2: the lead up or the run up to the case
28:23
Speaker 2: that they indicated that he wouldn't. Secondly, it's certainly possible
28:28
Speaker 2: that Adelman, as I say, as lefty as can be,
28:31
Speaker 2: he recognizes that Hanna Dugan crossed the line that no
28:34
Speaker 2: judge should cross. That this is clearly criminal conduct. Nonetheless,
28:37
Speaker 2: it's what they're hanging their hat on. I've suggested that
28:44
Speaker 2: she should tell her lawyers to drop this and instead
28:50
Speaker 2: accept the guilty verdict and try to negotiate a deal
28:54
Speaker 2: with the US Attorney's Office in which their recommendation will
28:57
Speaker 2: be not for prison. In other words, that she accepted
29:01
Speaker 2: aspirement retire as a judge, and the terms of the
29:05
Speaker 2: probation that she gets includes giving up her law license
29:08
Speaker 2: and giving up her judgeship in exchange for not going
29:12
Speaker 2: to prison, which is, you know, sixty six year old woman,
29:15
Speaker 2: she need to go to prison. Perhaps not, but the
29:18
Speaker 2: conviction and the ruination of her career is punishment that's
29:21
Speaker 2: out there. I would suggest that they do that rather
29:23
Speaker 2: than continue this. But remember this, These lawyers are being
29:25
Speaker 2: paid by a legal defense fund that has been bankrolled
29:28
Speaker 2: by leftist doughters across the country. What happens if Dugan
29:31
Speaker 2: accepts her guilt and ends the case. Their meter stops running.
29:40
Speaker 2: It's like some of these people that have been going
29:42
Speaker 2: to a psychologist or a psychiatrist for twenty five years,
29:47
Speaker 2: what interest does the psychiatrist have in curing the person? Well,
29:53
Speaker 2: that's right, and a lot of them, I mean, these
29:56
Speaker 2: clients are like crack to them. Well you still okay,
30:00
Speaker 2: we're making I keep saying we're making progress. We're making progress.
30:03
Speaker 2: They're making twenty five years later, you're still You're still
30:05
Speaker 2: a nut. Another component of the story. During the trial,
30:22
Speaker 2: the clerk in Dugan's courtroom testified that when all of
30:29
Speaker 2: this was going on, when the ICE agents were in
30:31
Speaker 2: the hallway, that the clerk his name is Alan Freed,
30:35
Speaker 2: no relation to the dj who helped discover Rocket Roll,
30:39
Speaker 2: just different Alan Freed. I probably didn't need to explain
30:43
Speaker 2: that given the fact that they would mean that this
30:46
Speaker 2: Allen Freed would be one hundred and sixty five years old.
30:49
Speaker 2: This Allen Freed, the clerk yelled fascists at the ICE agents,
30:53
Speaker 2: and he testified under oath during the trial that he
30:56
Speaker 2: did yell this. He then had an interview with js
31:01
Speaker 2: Online that they posted a video interview that they posted
31:03
Speaker 2: on their website in which he said, I stand by it.
31:11
Speaker 2: I did a little research today. The clerks do not
31:15
Speaker 2: work directly for the judges. The judge will give instruction,
31:18
Speaker 2: but the clerks work for the Clerk of the Circuit Court,
31:21
Speaker 2: which is a separate elected office, and the Clerk of
31:25
Speaker 2: the Circuit Court is the one that reviews the judicial clerks,
31:29
Speaker 2: that makes the assignment. You work for this one, you
31:31
Speaker 2: work for that one, and so on. The clerk of
31:38
Speaker 2: the Circuit Court in Milwaukee County as Anna Maria Hodges,
31:48
Speaker 2: spoke to her this morning and I asked her, are
31:54
Speaker 2: you troubled by this? The clerk is an officer of
31:59
Speaker 2: the court. The clerk is below the judge, but the
32:04
Speaker 2: clerk is the person who is assisting the judge in
32:06
Speaker 2: running the court. They take the same oath that the
32:10
Speaker 2: judges take with regard to not showing bias. The following
32:16
Speaker 2: comments are on the record from Anna Maria Hodges, the
32:20
Speaker 2: court clerk. She said she found that the statement by
32:22
Speaker 2: Freed was problematic. She emphasized the judges judge that clerks
32:27
Speaker 2: like judges, are not to express their opinions in the
32:30
Speaker 2: context of their jobs. Everybody has first of memory rights
32:32
Speaker 2: and so on, but not within the context of doing
32:35
Speaker 2: their job like in court, or in dealing with the court,
32:38
Speaker 2: or on the court so forth, in the same fashion
32:41
Speaker 2: as a judge. She said that I can't get into
32:45
Speaker 2: personnel matters, but that this was discussed. She then told me, however,
32:50
Speaker 2: that Freed was not fired, so whatever was discussed did
32:55
Speaker 2: not include termination. I'm not satisfy with that response. ICE
33:03
Speaker 2: are law enforcement agents, trials, people who testify in court.
33:10
Speaker 2: Tons of them are law enforcement agents. You have a
33:14
Speaker 2: clear bias here from this clerk against law enforcement agents.
33:18
Speaker 2: Is it only ICE agents that he consider fascists? Or
33:21
Speaker 2: how about sheriff's deputies or US marshals are the FBI?
33:26
Speaker 2: Are they fascists? Now? I don't know if Dugan requested
33:36
Speaker 2: the guy or birds of a feather flock together, or
33:39
Speaker 2: just that so many people in the courthouse are leftists,
33:42
Speaker 2: but this whole thing of fascist fascist fascist fascist fascist fascists.
33:46
Speaker 2: First of all, ICE agents are law enforcement employees who
33:50
Speaker 2: are given orders as to which kinds of crimes to
33:54
Speaker 2: investigate and act upon. Obviously, if you're in immigrations and
33:58
Speaker 2: customs enforcement, most of your crimes are either going to
34:01
Speaker 2: be related to immigrations or customs, which is bringing stuff
34:04
Speaker 2: into the country illegally and so on, in the same
34:08
Speaker 2: fashion that other law enforcement. You know, if you work
34:14
Speaker 2: for the Coast Gun and you're doing enforcement on the water,
34:16
Speaker 2: there's certain kinds of cases you're likely to get. But
34:21
Speaker 2: many of these ICE agents were ICE agents during the
34:23
Speaker 2: time that Biden was the president, when they were told
34:27
Speaker 2: not to do anything. It's a despicable latitude, and it's
34:37
Speaker 2: been part of this demonizing and dehumanizing of the people
34:41
Speaker 2: who work for ICE, people who are simply enforcing federal
34:46
Speaker 2: law under orders and direction, and to have a clerk
34:53
Speaker 2: for a judge. Obviously, Dogan's actions of defying a warrant
34:57
Speaker 2: were felonious behavior, but even Dugan didn't run out and
35:02
Speaker 2: start yelling at them that they're fascist and said she
35:05
Speaker 2: can't cond in bambooslet them and sent them out to
35:07
Speaker 2: the Chief Judge's office when she can hide it, when
35:09
Speaker 2: she can hide and a guy that was facing violent
35:13
Speaker 2: crime charges in her own courtroom. Now to the on
35:20
Speaker 2: the border case, I find this very interesting. First of all,
35:25
Speaker 2: I find all salacious stories and the local news. If
35:28
Speaker 2: this was somewhere like in Texas, I wouldn't find it
35:31
Speaker 2: interesting for those I mean, I would think if you're
35:34
Speaker 2: in southeastern Wisconsin, everybody's heard of on the border, wouldn't you,
35:38
Speaker 2: because you can't drive on Interstate ninety four without seeing
35:42
Speaker 2: their billboards, And you know, if you're one of with
35:44
Speaker 2: the borders, it's on the Milwaukee we're seeing county line.
35:47
Speaker 2: It's north of it's in Milwaukee County and Franklin, but
35:50
Speaker 2: north of the line. And that's the term on the
35:51
Speaker 2: border comes from Glass. It's a play on the old
35:53
Speaker 2: and the old thing. It's as gentlemen's club as we
35:58
Speaker 2: used to When I was younger, we called them joints.
36:01
Speaker 2: Now they're called gentlemen's club. To Gussie the whole thing up,
36:04
Speaker 2: and I guess there's probably some truth to that. I mean,
36:07
Speaker 2: the strip joints I recall from when I was younger
36:09
Speaker 2: were basically bars that had a stage in which some
36:12
Speaker 2: woman was bopping around in a pool. Now they're like
36:14
Speaker 2: these massive things at high end drinks and so on.
36:20
Speaker 2: The word forever, and I just hear the word I
36:23
Speaker 2: get around the word forever is is that on the
36:27
Speaker 2: border with a whorehouse. I've heard this forever that everybody,
36:31
Speaker 2: and not all of those strip clubs are. It basically
36:34
Speaker 2: depends on what the attitude of the law enforcement is
36:36
Speaker 2: in the community. If the city that the place is
36:43
Speaker 2: located in doesn't want this, they don't tolerate it because
36:47
Speaker 2: the place can then lose its liquor license. If the
36:51
Speaker 2: city's kind of okay with it, the stuff's gonna go on.
36:53
Speaker 2: And I've just heard forever and ever and ever that
36:55
Speaker 2: on the Border was one of those clubs that if
36:57
Speaker 2: you wanted to have prostitution for a tip, you could
36:59
Speaker 2: go into a room. Now, I made the decision for
37:06
Speaker 2: a zillion reasons after I came to Milwaukee, that I
37:08
Speaker 2: can't ever be seen in a stript joint. I even
37:11
Speaker 2: dodged friend of mine. This goes back thirty five years
37:15
Speaker 2: or so. A friend of mine was getting married and
37:18
Speaker 2: they had a party for him, like in the middle
37:20
Speaker 2: of nowhere near Milwaukee. But they're going to stop at
37:22
Speaker 2: a strip drint and I couldn't. It was a bachelor party,
37:24
Speaker 2: and I said I can't go. There's nowhere in Milwaukee,
37:26
Speaker 2: and people didn't understand. I just mark BELLI would say, so,
37:29
Speaker 2: of course I'm not in one of those places. But
37:32
Speaker 2: way back in the day when I'm I was at
37:34
Speaker 2: a few of these joints. I know the Drill, and
37:44
Speaker 2: it's the most notorious strip joint that I've ever seen.
37:46
Speaker 2: Is there's a place this is. I'm going to tell
37:48
Speaker 2: this story, though I think I've told the story back
37:50
Speaker 2: in the old radio show a couple of times. Way
37:53
Speaker 2: back when I was in Oshkosh, which was nineteen seventy nine.
37:55
Speaker 2: You believe that people are thinking, how old are you?
37:58
Speaker 2: One hundred and fifteen. Yes, they had this place that
38:02
Speaker 2: was on the edge of town in Oshkosh. It was
38:04
Speaker 2: actually west of now Interstate forty one. It was then
38:07
Speaker 2: Highway forty one. It was called the Loft. It was
38:11
Speaker 2: just a barn and they converted it into a strip joid,
38:14
Speaker 2: I mean the guy had. The guy who owned it
38:16
Speaker 2: was a guy named Kenny. I don't remember the last name,
38:18
Speaker 2: but his name was Kenny. This is the most notorious
38:21
Speaker 2: place part in the history of the world. He made
38:25
Speaker 2: an incredibly shrewd decision. He didn't ask for a liquor license.
38:32
Speaker 2: Now you have to think about why he didn't ask
38:33
Speaker 2: for a liquor license. Why do you think he didn't
38:35
Speaker 2: ask for a liquor license. No liquor licenses, you gotta close,
38:46
Speaker 2: like it at two o'clock or whatever it ever and ever,
38:49
Speaker 2: he was open all night. He could bring if you're
38:54
Speaker 2: just a place, you don't have to close at two
38:56
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning. So he had this deal in
38:58
Speaker 2: which he would sell like tomato juice for twenty dollars
39:02
Speaker 2: and in exchange you got to see and what they
39:05
Speaker 2: had at the place was absolute total nudity. It was
39:09
Speaker 2: as notorious as this is what I was working an
39:12
Speaker 2: ashcars and you hear about this all the time, that
39:17
Speaker 2: out of town guys, because the locals all knew better.
39:20
Speaker 2: You know, you'd pay for the lap dance and all
39:22
Speaker 2: of that stuff, and now you pay for the special
39:24
Speaker 2: thing back of the room. And it was a lot
39:26
Speaker 2: of money. And what do you think went on in
39:28
Speaker 2: the back of the room, Paul, Yes, actually no, no,
39:34
Speaker 2: see this guy, as he said, this guy Kenny, who
39:36
Speaker 2: ran the polace, he was brilliant. No, it took him
39:39
Speaker 2: to the back of the room that smooched the bet
39:41
Speaker 2: and then the girl just left and the guy is out,
39:43
Speaker 2: like the three hundred and fifty dollars, what's he gonna do?
39:49
Speaker 2: I mean, some of them every now and then you'd
39:52
Speaker 2: see one of these idiots complained to the police. So
39:55
Speaker 2: the police would say, you don't realize that prostitution is illegal.
39:58
Speaker 2: If you file this complaint, you were admitting to a crime.
40:01
Speaker 2: Even though you didn't get anything. You were admitting that
40:03
Speaker 2: you solicited for prostitutions. So they was goin so their
40:06
Speaker 2: admission that they were that they paid for this even
40:09
Speaker 2: though they didn't get it would be criminal in and
40:10
Speaker 2: of itself. I'm just saying there was, and so Kenny
40:16
Speaker 2: never got me. There was not prostitution going on in
40:18
Speaker 2: the place. There was just the lap dancing and all
40:20
Speaker 2: of that stuff. It was just the license to print money.
40:23
Speaker 2: The place is I actually think the barn is still there,
40:26
Speaker 2: but it's been closed forever. But the old timer some
40:28
Speaker 2: Monashkosh will have remembered the Lavet all right, what they
40:33
Speaker 2: do have strip join. But I'm just saying this one
40:35
Speaker 2: was unusual in that it didn't ever liqu her license
40:37
Speaker 2: in I don't know how long it was open, but
40:39
Speaker 2: it's opened the year that I worked in Nashkosh, which
40:41
Speaker 2: is seventy nine, and we just would hear about this
40:43
Speaker 2: stuff all the time. I actually don't remember. I can't
40:47
Speaker 2: say that I would have been above going to one
40:49
Speaker 2: of those places. I was twenty two years old. I mean,
40:52
Speaker 2: I don't remember. I just don't remember if I was
40:54
Speaker 2: ever in there. I could tell you an arts performing
40:59
Speaker 2: center story too, I tell you stories. Anyway. Let's get
41:01
Speaker 2: to that onto the I've just heard forever that on
41:03
Speaker 2: the border was one of those places where you could
41:05
Speaker 2: get sex. There was a big criminal complaint that was
41:09
Speaker 2: filed against several guys accused of pimping out of on
41:14
Speaker 2: the border and one of the managers. The criminal complaint
41:17
Speaker 2: was based apparently on an investigation, and you read the
41:20
Speaker 2: complaint that went on for five years. Now why five years?
41:26
Speaker 2: There's two theories I have one. Only rarely would anybody talk,
41:32
Speaker 2: and they never felt that they had enough that was
41:36
Speaker 2: believable enough to go to trial with. Secondly, this is
41:40
Speaker 2: the one I lean to. Franklin officials decided that they
41:45
Speaker 2: were perfectly fine with this until they weren't. Now why
41:48
Speaker 2: would they not be fine with it? Right now? Paul,
41:54
Speaker 2: here you go to do you don't know? See, I
41:58
Speaker 2: have the advantage of this advantage of having an incredible
42:01
Speaker 2: cynical now you Paul Olive and Paul, I don't think
42:04
Speaker 2: knows that it. Paul lives north and I know that
42:07
Speaker 2: area and what goes on down there a little bit
42:09
Speaker 2: more than most because I've driven south of ninety four forever.
42:11
Speaker 2: It ever and ever, this is very very close to
42:14
Speaker 2: where the BUCkies is gonna be, and the BUCkies is
42:18
Speaker 2: it's not a truck stop. I think I've miscidentified it
42:20
Speaker 2: is that we'll first discussed this months ago. It's like
42:23
Speaker 2: a truck stop, except there's not trucks. It is a
42:26
Speaker 2: massive beyond. It's like a bass pro shops kind of thing,
42:29
Speaker 2: but it's like for roadside travelers and so on. It's
42:31
Speaker 2: a huge deal and it's it's family orient. It's right
42:35
Speaker 2: by Worthy on the board. Is it now that Franklin
42:38
Speaker 2: wants to IgE? I just wonder about the timing of
42:41
Speaker 2: all of this. And I also wonder, given what we've
42:43
Speaker 2: heard about the less than above board annex of certain
42:49
Speaker 2: public officials in Franklin, whether or not there was a
42:51
Speaker 2: looking the other way forever anyway. From the criminal complaint,
42:55
Speaker 2: one of the individuals that's charged is the manager, Brian Hopkins.
42:59
Speaker 2: Interest the owner wasn't charged. I don't know if charges
43:02
Speaker 2: that'll come, or if he's cooperating or what the deal is.
43:04
Speaker 2: But the manager, Brian Hopkins is charged to I'm going
43:07
Speaker 2: to quote for there's several pimps that are charged as well,
43:09
Speaker 2: and they were accused of basically doing their pimping out
43:12
Speaker 2: of the club that the dancers were working for them.
43:15
Speaker 2: They'd take their money and they worked in combination with
43:17
Speaker 2: the club. It's in the criminal complainant Brian Hopkins, the manager.
43:19
Speaker 2: I'm going to read this complainant, and again, the complainant
43:22
Speaker 2: is a police officer from Franklin. Complainant knows Brian Hopkins
43:24
Speaker 2: is one of the head managers at OTB OTB on
43:27
Speaker 2: the Border. Neither Hopkins nor OTB prevented or stopped the
43:31
Speaker 2: commercial sex acts from occurring within the business. And again,
43:34
Speaker 2: this is a criminal complaint. Doesn't mean it's true, but
43:36
Speaker 2: it's what's being alleged. OTB only required that employees like bouncers,
43:41
Speaker 2: bartenders and DJs get a tip once the sex acts
43:44
Speaker 2: were complete from the female that performed the sex act. Honor.
43:47
Speaker 2: Around November sixteen, twenty twenty two, a source described OTB
43:50
Speaker 2: as a whorehouse with owner Danny Hay He's named in
43:54
Speaker 2: the complaints, so i'll name him, and manager Brian Hopkins.
43:57
Speaker 2: The witness stated customers can get any second act they
44:00
Speaker 2: want inside OTB. Additionally, the witness reported the females that
44:06
Speaker 2: have traffickers usually see the traffickers in the club later
44:09
Speaker 2: in the evening and close at a closing time. Yeah,
44:12
Speaker 2: I imagine Honor about February twenty seven, twenty twenty. Now
44:15
Speaker 2: that's five years ago, a former worker at OTB stated,
44:18
Speaker 2: so they've been getting this information forever. A former work
44:21
Speaker 2: at OTB stated that sex trafficking takes place inside the club.
44:24
Speaker 2: At OTB management is aware of it and benefits from
44:27
Speaker 2: it by receiving a tip from the females for the
44:29
Speaker 2: sex states. These sex states take place in the private
44:33
Speaker 2: dance rooms, so it appears the customers are receiving a
44:36
Speaker 2: private dance, but instead the customers are paying for sexual acts.
44:39
Speaker 2: The witness explained that either the dancer or the customer
44:42
Speaker 2: will tip the DJs in bouncer's money. They will turn
44:45
Speaker 2: down the lights in the VIP room so a sex
44:47
Speaker 2: act can take place and not be visible on the
44:49
Speaker 2: security cameras. Complainant is aware that OTB is publicly known
44:54
Speaker 2: for allowing sex acts to occur inside the club, at
44:57
Speaker 2: leastaid publicly not. I mean, I knew it, and I've
45:00
Speaker 2: ever been there. I just have heard this, and I've
45:02
Speaker 2: heard that this is not allowed at most of the
45:04
Speaker 2: other local strip clubs. There's a certain one run by
45:08
Speaker 2: a certain family, one of whose members is now in
45:11
Speaker 2: prison right now, where I was told that this go
45:15
Speaker 2: go on, but at some of the others, I've just
45:17
Speaker 2: told that no, because the police wouldn't tolerate it. That
45:20
Speaker 2: they say you can't do any of it anyway. Complaintives
45:23
Speaker 2: have observed OTB discussing on USA sex guides and online
45:28
Speaker 2: forum where individuals post statements alluding to the availability alluding
45:34
Speaker 2: to the availability of sex acts inside the club and
45:36
Speaker 2: though the people posted on this this is where you
45:38
Speaker 2: go off here in Milwaukee. You go to on the board.
45:40
Speaker 2: You can do it right in there and they post
45:41
Speaker 2: the number the back to the complaint. In October of
45:43
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, Franklin p D received an anonymous handwritten letter.
45:47
Speaker 2: The letter explained how the writer, an anonymous male, stopped
45:50
Speaker 2: it on the border several months ago and paid for
45:52
Speaker 2: a lap dance. During the course of the lap dance,
45:55
Speaker 2: the female dancer performed a sexual act on the other
45:58
Speaker 2: on the anonymous male. Anonymous mails stated that the letter
46:01
Speaker 2: is stated in the letter that the club OTB seemed
46:03
Speaker 2: to openly allow prostitution to take place inside the business location.
46:07
Speaker 2: On March twenty seven, twenty twenty three. Again, this is
46:10
Speaker 2: now two and a five years ago. A trash poll
46:12
Speaker 2: was conducted from three dumpsters from OTB. I gotta admit,
46:15
Speaker 2: how do you like to be the cop that's assigned
46:18
Speaker 2: that job? Do you want to go to the dumpster
46:20
Speaker 2: and on the border during the trash pole, fourteen condom
46:26
Speaker 2: wrappers and three used condoms were found. I just okay,
46:33
Speaker 2: imagine being the guy. I know they got gloves on
46:35
Speaker 2: and all this. You're the guy bagging the used condom
46:38
Speaker 2: and putting in the Now again, I find this interesting.
46:41
Speaker 2: This isn't twenty twenty three. These charges are coming out Hopkins,
46:44
Speaker 2: that's the manager. Hopkins' knowledge of these pimps is evident,
46:48
Speaker 2: with Hopkins being mentioned in the following Instagram conversation obtained
46:52
Speaker 2: from Durant. That's another alleged defendant here Instagram account, and
46:56
Speaker 2: they pull off of Instagram a conversation that two of
46:59
Speaker 2: them have about what you're allowing here and what you're
47:01
Speaker 2: allowing here and so on, and it's very damning to Hopkins'
47:04
Speaker 2: knowledge of this. And then continuing from the complain, it
47:07
Speaker 2: was well known amongst employees that danced at OTB that
47:10
Speaker 2: if Hopkins fired them from working inside OTB, then they
47:14
Speaker 2: could pay Hopkins to get their job back. So again
47:17
Speaker 2: the complaint is saying that Hopkins would fire you and
47:20
Speaker 2: then extort you and you have to pay them and
47:22
Speaker 2: you get money to get your job back. Should have
47:26
Speaker 2: tried this with you, Paul, you're fired, as Paul, Paul Paddick.
47:30
Speaker 2: What is he gonna do? Paul, give me a hundred bucks?
47:33
Speaker 2: I got thought of it. You're ready hired. I know,
47:39
Speaker 2: I'm guessing that one hundred is probably what the going
47:41
Speaker 2: rate might have been on the border. I don't what
47:42
Speaker 2: do I know. An employee witness stated that the money
47:46
Speaker 2: would have to be at least several thousand dows my
47:49
Speaker 2: goodness to get their jobs back, and then they quote
47:55
Speaker 2: several of the complaining witnesses who are former employees. TP
47:58
Speaker 2: was informed by Hopkins that if she was fired from
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Speaker 2: on the Border, she would then owe him three thousand dollars. kW.
48:04
Speaker 2: Another one was fired from on the Border by Hopkins
48:06
Speaker 2: for not tipping well enough. Fly that's the nickname of
48:10
Speaker 2: any other person indicted here, spoke to Hopkins about kW
48:14
Speaker 2: getting her job back. Fly then gave kW twenty five
48:17
Speaker 2: hundred dollars in cash. The kW gave to Hopkins. And again,
48:19
Speaker 2: these are all simply allegations. They're in the criminal complaint.
48:22
Speaker 2: I'll move forward here after the meeting between Hopkins, Durant,
48:28
Speaker 2: and VD. Durant is again one of the four people
48:31
Speaker 2: that's criminally charged. One of Durant's girls, Mocha, known to
48:35
Speaker 2: law enforcement as VT, got her job back at On
48:37
Speaker 2: the Border. MM heard that VT had to pay approximately
48:40
Speaker 2: forty five hundred dollars to Hopkins to get her job back.
48:43
Speaker 2: Complaint is also aware of On the Border being notorious
48:46
Speaker 2: for pimps to receive girls from on the border, and
48:48
Speaker 2: these girls continue to work it on the border while
48:51
Speaker 2: under the direction of a pimp. So again, this cheminal
48:53
Speaker 2: complaint is saying that that the pimps were working with
48:57
Speaker 2: on the Border to pimp out and traffic these women.
49:01
Speaker 2: Based on the above statements, the complaint and Planet's examination
49:04
Speaker 2: of review of otb's left by customers, complaints known that
49:10
Speaker 2: OTB is a place where persons habitually engage in non
49:13
Speaker 2: marital sex acts. Complainant also knows, based on his knowledge
49:17
Speaker 2: and involvement in this investigation, that Hopkins exercises management or
49:20
Speaker 2: control over on the Border. On the Border put out
49:22
Speaker 2: a statement and relates to the indictment. We've been a
49:24
Speaker 2: long time business here in the community, so forth and
49:29
Speaker 2: so on. So anyway, these criminal charges are now done
49:32
Speaker 2: against three of the alleged pimps and the manager of
49:35
Speaker 2: the place. They're filed in Milwaukee County Circuit Court. They
49:39
Speaker 2: certainly would be grounds for a revocation of the liquor license.
49:44
Speaker 2: And given the fact that, as the complaint is, by
49:47
Speaker 2: the way, posted on billing dot com by website for
49:50
Speaker 2: those of you that want to get into all of this,
49:52
Speaker 2: much of this information is several years old. And I
49:55
Speaker 2: asked the question of why now, And given that this
49:58
Speaker 2: is Franklin, and Franklin is either cozy with a business
50:02
Speaker 2: or not cozy with a business, there may be a
50:05
Speaker 2: reason not to be cozy with the business right now.
50:07
Speaker 2: But as I say, anybody who's kind of heard anything
50:10
Speaker 2: that sort of just hears things around here has heard
50:15
Speaker 2: forever that this kind of stuff was a regular occurrence
50:20
Speaker 2: at on the border. This is the Mark Belling podcast.
50:26
Speaker 2: This is the Mark Belling Podcast. One of the statements
50:31
Speaker 2: that's just been jammed down our throats is fact is
50:35
Speaker 2: that the twenty twenty election was on the up and up.
50:38
Speaker 2: Any claims of election irregularities are unfounded, untrue. One of
50:45
Speaker 2: the people that refused us to shut up about this
50:48
Speaker 2: is Trump. We've had a development over the last week
50:55
Speaker 2: that's quite interesting. We now have open evidence of drastic
51:01
Speaker 2: irregularities in the election in Georgia in twenty twenty. There
51:07
Speaker 2: are people that simply never let this drop. Fulton County.
51:11
Speaker 2: Fulton County is the Atlanta area. It is now, after
51:15
Speaker 2: all these years, admitting that they that they violated the
51:22
Speaker 2: rules in twenty twenty when they certified three hundred and
51:25
Speaker 2: fifteen thousand early votes that lacked poll workers signatures. No,
51:33
Speaker 2: when you early vote, which would mean often voting in person,
51:38
Speaker 2: but prior to election day, as I vote, the poll
51:41
Speaker 2: worker signs their name on the outside of the ballot,
51:43
Speaker 2: and you sign your name lacking a signature like this,
51:47
Speaker 2: who knows where the ballot came from, but the poll
51:50
Speaker 2: worker's signature. And again, anybody can fake a signature, but
51:53
Speaker 2: the poll workers signature or the poll worker signature you
51:55
Speaker 2: can tie to that poll worker is the check that
51:58
Speaker 2: exists on these ballots. Fulton County is now admitting that
52:03
Speaker 2: three hundred and fifteen thousand, that's a huge number of
52:07
Speaker 2: the early votes did not have a poll worker signature.
52:10
Speaker 2: It's possible the poll workers didn't know they had a
52:13
Speaker 2: sign and they were so overwhelmed at the early voting
52:16
Speaker 2: that they just took the envelope without the signature. But
52:19
Speaker 2: by law, you can't count. This is wisconsitut. You can't
52:22
Speaker 2: count a ballot that does not have the poll worker signature,
52:26
Speaker 2: or if you mail it in the witness signature, you can't.
52:29
Speaker 2: Fulton County is admitting that they did this. Now, does
52:33
Speaker 2: this mean that none of these people were actual people voted, No,
52:37
Speaker 2: But it does mean the votes shouldn't have been counted.
52:39
Speaker 2: It's the most blatant violation of election law that you
52:42
Speaker 2: could imagine. The Secretary of State also found that Fulton
52:49
Speaker 2: County violated official election processes. Here's a post on exem
52:55
Speaker 2: Fisher King. Remember that Trump was indicted for pressure uhuring
53:00
Speaker 2: Georgia's Secretary of State Brad Raffensburger to investigate election integrity
53:04
Speaker 2: to state. You recall that one of the state that
53:06
Speaker 2: Trump was hammering on the most and is objecting in
53:08
Speaker 2: twenty twenty and early twenty twenty one was Georgia. He
53:11
Speaker 2: had that famous phone call with the secondary of State
53:13
Speaker 2: Brad Raffensberger. Trump was indicted on this. This is one
53:17
Speaker 2: of the charges by which he was brought criminal charges
53:19
Speaker 2: against him by Fannie Willistown in Georgia for trying to
53:23
Speaker 2: change the results of the election. We now have reason
53:27
Speaker 2: for Trump to be pounding that there should be an investigation.
53:31
Speaker 2: As I've said forever, the truth always comes out. Often
53:33
Speaker 2: it comes out. Everybody kind of shrugs their shoulders and
53:36
Speaker 2: says they've all moved on. But the truth is coming
53:38
Speaker 2: out that there were votes that clearly should not have
53:40
Speaker 2: been counted in Georgia. Now, I'll point out this does
53:43
Speaker 2: not mean Trump would have won the twenty twenty election,
53:45
Speaker 2: because Georgia in and of itself would not have swung
53:48
Speaker 2: the election. However, it's certainly an indication that the people
53:54
Speaker 2: said nothing to a missing something, did a miss occur?
54:03
Speaker 2: Kyle Nebecker posting an ex Fulton County does not contest
54:06
Speaker 2: that at least three hundred, fifteen thousand votes were illegally
54:09
Speaker 2: counted in the twenty twenty election. We're not talking about
54:11
Speaker 2: a few hundred votes, three hundred and fifteen thousand Biden,
54:14
Speaker 2: they say one Georgia by eleven thousand votes kind of
54:18
Speaker 2: puts that Fannie Willis Law fair suit claiming Trump engaged
54:22
Speaker 2: in a conspiracy to contest the Georgia election in a
54:24
Speaker 2: whole new light, does it. Meanwhile, back in Wisconsin, the
54:31
Speaker 2: US Department of Justice has asked the Wisconsin Election Commission
54:38
Speaker 2: to see the state's voter rolls. The Wisconsin Election Commission,
54:43
Speaker 2: remember three Democrats, three Republicans, has refused to turn these
54:48
Speaker 2: over to the Department of Justice. They claim state law
54:54
Speaker 2: does not allowed them to do so. Well, whether it
54:57
Speaker 2: does or it doesn't, the United States Department of Justice
55:03
Speaker 2: has the right to investigate whether or not individual states
55:06
Speaker 2: are violating the law. By that token, we'd still have
55:11
Speaker 2: the South segregated. If when the United States Department of
55:15
Speaker 2: Justice when Bobby Kennedy showed up in the state of
55:17
Speaker 2: the Mississippi or Alabama to present an indictment to the governor,
55:22
Speaker 2: the federal government's laws dual hold sway federal government can
55:27
Speaker 2: claim the election laws are being violated. Wisconsin Election Commission
55:30
Speaker 2: is not turning over the voter rolls. The vote was
55:32
Speaker 2: five to one. The one who voted to do turn
55:36
Speaker 2: it over correct vote was Bob Spindell. Republican. Bob Spindell
55:40
Speaker 2: is the only member of the Election Commission who has
55:42
Speaker 2: consistently stood up for election integrity. He's the Milwaukee County
55:46
Speaker 2: Republican Chairman, and he's the appointee of the state Republican.
55:49
Speaker 2: Republican State Senate Don millis the appointee of Robin Voss.
55:53
Speaker 2: He voted not to turn it over. And Marge Bosselman,
55:56
Speaker 2: retired clerk who's designated as a Republican but always the
56:00
Speaker 2: votes with the Democrats are virtualized votes of the Democrats.
56:03
Speaker 2: She voted not to turn it over. The Trump administration
56:07
Speaker 2: Department of Justice wants to look into whether or not
56:09
Speaker 2: the voter roles are all screwed up, are the proper identification,
56:14
Speaker 2: driver's license numbers can do verifying, and so on, the
56:18
Speaker 2: kind of investigation that many of us have called for now.
56:20
Speaker 2: I've argued forever that the problem Wisconsin isn't so much
56:23
Speaker 2: the voter roles as it is same day registration. Because
56:26
Speaker 2: same day registration there's no check at all. Person registers
56:29
Speaker 2: the same day, they give them a ballot two minutes later.
56:31
Speaker 2: Anybody can pull off a scam there with a fake identification.
56:35
Speaker 2: But what those people are then on the voter rolls,
56:39
Speaker 2: you can at least after the fact, know that they
56:41
Speaker 2: were there. I am telling you that I don't buy
56:46
Speaker 2: this argument that state law doesn't allow them to turn
56:49
Speaker 2: it over. I believe the Election Commission does not want
56:52
Speaker 2: to turn these voter rolls over because they are fearful
56:54
Speaker 2: that the voter roles will be exposed by the Department
56:57
Speaker 2: of Justice. Is being all screwed up. It is a
57:02
Speaker 2: disgrace that the two Republicans Millis and Bosselman joined in
57:08
Speaker 2: voting against this without regard to what state law says.
57:12
Speaker 2: When the FBI or the DOJ come in and are
57:15
Speaker 2: conducting a criminal investigation into whether or not you're branking
57:19
Speaker 2: the law, you should be cooperating with that investigation. You
57:23
Speaker 2: can't say we're not allowed to turn over the information
57:27
Speaker 2: of the criminal behavior that we're engaged in. This is
57:33
Speaker 2: a story that's not going to go away. Several conservative
57:36
Speaker 2: organizations in Wisconsin have joined in on this. Wisconsin Institute
57:41
Speaker 2: of Law and Liberty and the Maciper Institute have both
57:44
Speaker 2: published statements in support of the DOJ investigation, drawing attention
57:48
Speaker 2: to their own concerns about the integrity of the voter rules.
57:52
Speaker 2: In the state of Wisconsin. They've identified the shooter at
58:02
Speaker 2: Brown University. There's still not a lot of detail here,
58:06
Speaker 2: but he was found dead. He's a guy who entered
58:10
Speaker 2: the United States in twenty seventeen under the lottery that
58:12
Speaker 2: was in place for immigrants to come into the United States.
58:16
Speaker 2: He's Portuguese. He's also been identified as a suspect in
58:19
Speaker 2: the shooting at MIT of an MIT professor, and it's
58:22
Speaker 2: worth noting that that professor was Portuguese as well. Do
58:29
Speaker 2: you see how they found the body and connected this?
58:36
Speaker 2: They found him at a storagein You're right about this.
58:38
Speaker 2: He was the guy who tipped them off as the
58:41
Speaker 2: homeless guy who was living in the engineering building at
58:44
Speaker 2: Brown University. The DEI police chief there and the DEI
58:49
Speaker 2: police chief in Providence, Rhode Island, they couldn't find deadley squad.
58:54
Speaker 2: It took a homeless guy to be able to crack
58:56
Speaker 2: the case. But still there are questions now. Laura Lomer
59:07
Speaker 2: is a conservative conspiracy theorist. I don't endorse everything she
59:13
Speaker 2: has to say, and for a lot of people she's
59:14
Speaker 2: over the edge. But the post that she makes here
59:19
Speaker 2: just because you're over the edge on some things doesn't
59:20
Speaker 2: mean that you don't put things clearly on others. Here's
59:23
Speaker 2: what she posted. The Providence, Rhode Island Police Achie chief
59:26
Speaker 2: of Police, said the Brown University shooter was a Portuguese
59:29
Speaker 2: national named Claudio Nevas Valenti. He was forty eight years
59:33
Speaker 2: old and his last address was listed in Miami, Florida.
59:36
Speaker 2: The shooter was an immigrant student and a Muslim who
59:38
Speaker 2: shouted Alahu alahu akbar. That is why Brown covered it up.
59:43
Speaker 2: They wanted to prodect an immigrant student. They should be
59:47
Speaker 2: held accountable. Now we don't know if that's why they
59:49
Speaker 2: covered it up, but we have heard, however, that numerous
59:53
Speaker 2: students who were in the area were never interviewed by
59:56
Speaker 2: the police. It's possible that the Brown police were a
59:59
Speaker 2: bunch of d bozos who didn't know anything about police
1:00:02
Speaker 2: or whose big idea of law enforcement was to make
1:00:05
Speaker 2: sure that somebody wasn't sneaking beer into the dorm at
1:00:07
Speaker 2: three o'clock in the morning. Maybe they were just incompetent hacks.
1:00:11
Speaker 2: But if indeed the alahu akbar statement was made, it
1:00:17
Speaker 2: certainly would be an explanation as to why Brown would
1:00:20
Speaker 2: not ask about it. If you don't ask something you
1:00:23
Speaker 2: can't hear, an answer that you don't want to hear.
1:00:26
Speaker 2: It draws attention, however, to the absurdity of the person
1:00:30
Speaker 2: of interest, the young man from Cedarberg, who was named
1:00:33
Speaker 2: all over the media for whom we would have no idea,
1:00:37
Speaker 2: no reason to believe that he would espouse any of
1:00:39
Speaker 2: these ideas. Yet that said they were after and now
1:00:42
Speaker 2: we hear that there's this guy who's Portuguese and apparently
1:00:47
Speaker 2: a Muslim yelling Alahu Akbar and may have been suspected
1:00:51
Speaker 2: in the killing of an MIT professor. There is also
1:00:55
Speaker 2: now strong reason to believe that Ellikook, the female who
1:01:00
Speaker 2: was killed here, was the target of all of this.
1:01:03
Speaker 2: There is now information and again you have a lot
1:01:05
Speaker 2: of Internet salutes who are digging into things and finding
1:01:08
Speaker 2: information that the cops didn't come up with. The meeting
1:01:11
Speaker 2: that she had was not a regularly scheduled academic session,
1:01:14
Speaker 2: what is a private one on one session, and the
1:01:16
Speaker 2: shooter may have had knowledge that she was going to
1:01:19
Speaker 2: be there. So if you had an execution of a
1:01:21
Speaker 2: student who was Christian by a guy that's yelling out
1:01:24
Speaker 2: a prominent statement issued by Muslim terrorists before they commit
1:01:27
Speaker 2: an act of terror. And it's only uncovered because a
1:01:30
Speaker 2: guy who's living in the engineering building at Brown was
1:01:33
Speaker 2: aware of what was going on behind the scenes. What
1:01:36
Speaker 2: an indictment that was. But there's another question that needs
1:01:39
Speaker 2: to be asked here. I tend to ask questions that
1:01:45
Speaker 2: people don't like to ask. Are we just accepting that
1:01:51
Speaker 2: a major university has a homeless person living in an
1:01:53
Speaker 2: engineering building? Is that not a security risk of all
1:01:58
Speaker 2: the buildings? I mean, these Ivy League universities have been
1:02:05
Speaker 2: so overcome by DEEI and leftism that they have become
1:02:10
Speaker 2: run idiotically. The cops are idiots, the professor is an idiot,
1:02:16
Speaker 2: the university president is an idiot. And aside from reviews
1:02:20
Speaker 2: and what to do with homeless people, it is certainly
1:02:22
Speaker 2: a security risk to allow someone access in the middle
1:02:26
Speaker 2: of the night to a building with potentially as much
1:02:34
Speaker 2: I would say dangerous stuff in it as the department
1:02:40
Speaker 2: of engineering. Let me turn my attention now. There's going
1:02:47
Speaker 2: to be a follow up on this in segment three.
1:02:50
Speaker 2: I have put off until right now saying the word
1:02:52
Speaker 2: Chicago bears at all. I'm doing the podcast on Monday.
1:02:59
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you this whole state other than Bear fans.
1:03:01
Speaker 2: We're in a totally crabby Muda on Sunday. There's a
1:03:05
Speaker 2: separate story, though about the Bears that's worthy of discussion.
1:03:10
Speaker 2: Illinois is run by JB. Pritzker. He's also going to
1:03:12
Speaker 2: run for governor, excuse me, for president. You can make
1:03:16
Speaker 2: a great argument as to which state is more screwed up,
1:03:19
Speaker 2: Illinois or California. They're both screwed up. JB. Pritzker, however,
1:03:25
Speaker 2: has claimed forever that Illinois is a great state for business.
1:03:31
Speaker 2: The Chicago Bears, for several years now, have wanted to
1:03:35
Speaker 2: build a new football stadium. The city of Chicago wants
1:03:39
Speaker 2: them to stay in the city of Chicago. The Bears,
1:03:42
Speaker 2: not surprisingly, want to get out of Chicago. Soldier Field's
1:03:46
Speaker 2: a dump, It's a bad location. The stadium is the
1:03:49
Speaker 2: smallest in the NFL. There's no parking, Chicago's crime infested.
1:03:54
Speaker 2: A number of years ago, they bought the Arlington Park
1:03:57
Speaker 2: racetrack in Arlington Heights and tore it down. That has
1:04:00
Speaker 2: been their desired location ever since. The deal, however, simply
1:04:05
Speaker 2: has not gone forward. The Bears want a clarification of
1:04:09
Speaker 2: what the property taxes are going to be on the
1:04:12
Speaker 2: property Essentially, they're looking for a tax break and they
1:04:17
Speaker 2: haven't gotten one from the state of Illinois. So the
1:04:23
Speaker 2: Bears are sitting there now for years, unable to move
1:04:26
Speaker 2: forward and building a new stadium. The Bears last week.
1:04:31
Speaker 2: This is prior to the Packer game. And again, I'm
1:04:33
Speaker 2: not even sympathizing with the Bears. Anything bad that happens
1:04:36
Speaker 2: to them right now is perfectly fine with me. But
1:04:38
Speaker 2: it's a description of how screwed up Illinois is. The
1:04:42
Speaker 2: Bears made the decision to essentially put the Arlington Heights
1:04:46
Speaker 2: plan that they've been trying to move forward with for
1:04:48
Speaker 2: years on hold, and they are saying that they are
1:04:50
Speaker 2: looking at alternate sites, and the top of their list
1:04:55
Speaker 2: of alternate sites is moving to Indiana. You look at
1:05:00
Speaker 2: a map of Chicago, the northwestern corner of Indiana is
1:05:05
Speaker 2: really the Chicago suburbs, Gary, Hammond, so on. Hammond is
1:05:11
Speaker 2: a rather nice city. Indiana was one of the leaders
1:05:15
Speaker 2: in having casino development, and so on. Hammond is a
1:05:18
Speaker 2: rather progressive city. Indiana has a Republican governor, and so on,
1:05:22
Speaker 2: and they're considering Hammond. If you look at a map
1:05:25
Speaker 2: of Chicago they have for free, it's either ninety or
1:05:28
Speaker 2: ninety four. I forget which one it is. The Chicago
1:05:31
Speaker 2: Skyway is an offshoot of the freeway system down there,
1:05:34
Speaker 2: and it's the one that really skirts right along Lake
1:05:36
Speaker 2: Michigan on an angle heading from downtown Chicago into northeastern Illinois.
1:05:42
Speaker 2: It's either ninety or ninety four, and I forget whichever
1:05:44
Speaker 2: one of the other one it is. But there's freeway
1:05:46
Speaker 2: access there from the Chicago area, and for the South
1:05:49
Speaker 2: suburbs of Chicago, it's more convenient than Soldier Field. And
1:05:53
Speaker 2: some people believe that they're just bluffing by bringing up
1:05:55
Speaker 2: the Indiana thing and an attempt to get Illinois back
1:05:59
Speaker 2: to the bargaining table on this to try to jump
1:06:00
Speaker 2: start all of this. But the reality is is that
1:06:04
Speaker 2: Illinois will hand out welfare to everybody under the sun.
1:06:09
Speaker 2: They will coddle criminals like crazy. But they've got a
1:06:13
Speaker 2: sports team here, the Bears, that can't get a stadium
1:06:16
Speaker 2: built in as far as I apparently, the Bears are
1:06:18
Speaker 2: not looking for cash subsidies, or maybe they're looking for some,
1:06:21
Speaker 2: but mostly they want to have the tax situation clarified.
1:06:25
Speaker 2: Is to move forward in Island to Knights because the
1:06:27
Speaker 2: footprint for the stadium would be absolutely huge. I think
1:06:29
Speaker 2: that they're looking to get out of paying property taxes.
1:06:31
Speaker 2: They're having a limit on it, but they want to
1:06:33
Speaker 2: know what the number is before they move forward here,
1:06:35
Speaker 2: and Illinois just isn't playing ball with them, so they
1:06:37
Speaker 2: say that they're going to look at northwestern Indiana. It's
1:06:43
Speaker 2: the same thing in California, and in this case it's
1:06:46
Speaker 2: the Bears. But no matter what it is, these leftist
1:06:48
Speaker 2: states just can't bring themselves to be friendly to business.
1:06:52
Speaker 2: Right now, if you want and outside the box thought
1:06:56
Speaker 2: of this, I'm going to suggest something outside the box.
1:06:59
Speaker 2: But make a clear I am not in favor of
1:07:01
Speaker 2: my outside the box thing. You have no ability to
1:07:04
Speaker 2: think outside the box. I have another I have another
1:07:09
Speaker 2: solution for the Bears. I'm not in favor of it.
1:07:14
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna throw it out there, all right. They're
1:07:17
Speaker 2: willing to look at northwestern Indiana, right it's close enough
1:07:22
Speaker 2: to Chicago there are the most affluent bearer. Chicago is
1:07:29
Speaker 2: one of those communities in which the north suburbs tend
1:07:32
Speaker 2: to be much richer than the south suburbs. You know,
1:07:35
Speaker 2: Lake Forest, Barrington, all of that stuff, and not totally
1:07:40
Speaker 2: different from what it is in Milwaukee. You do have
1:07:45
Speaker 2: that dog track property in Kenosha County. They wouldn't have
1:07:48
Speaker 2: to change the name. They could still call themselves the
1:07:50
Speaker 2: Chicago Bears. The New England Patriots are nowhere near Boss
1:07:54
Speaker 2: Boston when they're in Foxborough. If they're thinking about Indiana,
1:07:57
Speaker 2: they could build this thing in Kenosha. It hads right
1:08:00
Speaker 2: there on the freeway, incredible land available. You could tie
1:08:03
Speaker 2: it into a casino development, and it's probably more convenient
1:08:08
Speaker 2: to the bulk of Bear fans to get to than
1:08:10
Speaker 2: try to fight through that. I mean, just try to
1:08:12
Speaker 2: try to get to Soldier Field. It's hard to even
1:08:15
Speaker 2: get there, you know, in mass transit, because it's underneath
1:08:18
Speaker 2: the freeway. You got to go under the ground. There's
1:08:19
Speaker 2: no parking on the site or anything or another. Now,
1:08:23
Speaker 2: I do not want the Bears in the state of Wisconsin,
1:08:26
Speaker 2: and I think that the packers would object because the
1:08:28
Speaker 2: Milwaukee market is part of their thing. But the location
1:08:33
Speaker 2: is a location that would be probably almost as close
1:08:36
Speaker 2: to downtown Chicago as the Indiana one. It would be
1:08:38
Speaker 2: farther away but close enough to their fan base and
1:08:41
Speaker 2: so on, and it would be an outside the box
1:08:43
Speaker 2: solution not one that I'm in favorable. At some point,
1:08:50
Speaker 2: something's going to happen with that old dog Track site.
1:08:53
Speaker 2: The monominees in the seminoles still want it to be
1:08:55
Speaker 2: a casino, But the reason nothing's happened is it's kind
1:08:58
Speaker 2: of on hold, waiting for Tony Evers to bleep or
1:09:03
Speaker 2: get off the pot so President Trump can greenlighted to
1:09:06
Speaker 2: go ahead and be a casino, which would mean having
1:09:09
Speaker 2: to get the pot of watavies to agree to something
1:09:12
Speaker 2: in exchange for this, And I've suggested that you hold
1:09:14
Speaker 2: the sports betting thing over their head to green light
1:09:17
Speaker 2: the casino thing. But in the meantime, Kenosha County is
1:09:20
Speaker 2: being developed all up and down that strip at the
1:09:22
Speaker 2: old dog track site right in the middle of the
1:09:24
Speaker 2: county there is still being held open because of the
1:09:28
Speaker 2: potential that at some point it would become a casino.
1:09:32
Speaker 2: Imagine if you had the Bears. Though I don't want
1:09:35
Speaker 2: them down there. I don't want to drive past the
1:09:37
Speaker 2: stupid Bear state, and I don't want to have anything
1:09:39
Speaker 2: to do with them, But from the perspective of the Bears,
1:09:41
Speaker 2: I think that that location would be as ideal as
1:09:43
Speaker 2: Northwestern and I know why they want to go to
1:09:45
Speaker 2: Arlington Heights in the first place. They want to get
1:09:47
Speaker 2: out to the suburbs, their fan bases out there on
1:09:49
Speaker 2: their suburbs. Dealing with anything in the city of Chicago
1:09:51
Speaker 2: is an absolute mess. They want to be able to
1:09:53
Speaker 2: have parking, they want to have tailgating, and they just
1:09:56
Speaker 2: You're in a situation, though, and every other business in
1:09:59
Speaker 2: the state of Villain I can relate to this. Trying
1:10:01
Speaker 2: to do business with the state of Illinois, if you're
1:10:03
Speaker 2: an existing business there is impossible. Just as it's impossible
1:10:07
Speaker 2: in California and impossible in it It's going to be
1:10:10
Speaker 2: impossible in New York. Mannontti takes over. Democrats simply can't
1:10:14
Speaker 2: work with business, no matter what the business is. You're
1:10:18
Speaker 2: listening to the Markedlling podcast. This is the Markedelling podcast.
1:10:25
Speaker 2: This is a ps to the discussion that we had
1:10:27
Speaker 2: a moment ago about the Bears in Chicago and so on.
1:10:32
Speaker 2: Interesting story here. You may recall that I forget when
1:10:36
Speaker 2: it was. It seems to me that it was about
1:10:39
Speaker 2: twenty five years ago that Boing moved its headquarters to Chicago.
1:10:44
Speaker 2: They're still a big manufacturing plant in watching It state,
1:10:46
Speaker 2: but they moved their head quarters to Chicago. They initially
1:10:49
Speaker 2: lease space and then they bought the building. It's called
1:10:52
Speaker 2: Riverside Plaza. They bought it for one hundred and sixty
1:10:59
Speaker 2: five million dollars in two thousand and five. Boeing has
1:11:05
Speaker 2: since moved out of the building. Not surprisingly, Boeing bugged
1:11:09
Speaker 2: out of Chicago as quickly as they bugged in. Everybody's
1:11:12
Speaker 2: getting out of Chicago. Do you know what? Boeing sold
1:11:15
Speaker 2: that building for twenty two million. They lost one hundred
1:11:20
Speaker 2: and forty three million on the deal. The building is
1:11:22
Speaker 2: worth about fourteen percent of what it was when they
1:11:26
Speaker 2: bought it. I'm not going to be labor this, but
1:11:32
Speaker 2: I have some observations of the bare Packer game. Everybody's
1:11:35
Speaker 2: making this comparison, and I'm going to chime in because
1:11:38
Speaker 2: it's just apped to me. This game was the exact
1:11:40
Speaker 2: same thing. Is what happened to the Packers in that
1:11:42
Speaker 2: playoff game against Seattle in twenty fifteen, the game in
1:11:45
Speaker 2: which the Packers had the huge lead, and I mean
1:11:48
Speaker 2: everything was the same. There was a huge lead late
1:11:51
Speaker 2: in the game, you dominated the other team for fifty
1:11:54
Speaker 2: eight minutes. There was a muffed on side kick in
1:11:57
Speaker 2: the middle of the thing, which led to it overtime
1:11:59
Speaker 2: and then the other teams going to tell And I
1:12:01
Speaker 2: mean it was just a mirror example. But that was
1:12:04
Speaker 2: my takeaway from the game is in order for the
1:12:07
Speaker 2: Bears to win, about twelve things had to go wrong
1:12:11
Speaker 2: for the Packers, and they all did. I mean, you
1:12:13
Speaker 2: go back to earlyly, if Josh Jacobs fumbles on the
1:12:16
Speaker 2: two yard line, I believe, and people will just say
1:12:24
Speaker 2: that this is cry baby Packer fan stuff. I believe
1:12:27
Speaker 2: the part of the Bears game plan was to knock
1:12:29
Speaker 2: Jordan Love out of the game. First of all, they
1:12:31
Speaker 2: came off playing rough and aggressive from the get go. Secondly,
1:12:35
Speaker 2: and I don't know how much attention this got because
1:12:39
Speaker 2: I'll admit I wasn't reading everything about the game because
1:12:41
Speaker 2: I didn't want to. The guy who hit Love that
1:12:45
Speaker 2: was his second roughing the passer, and that Love went
1:12:47
Speaker 2: out early in the game. It was his second roughing
1:12:50
Speaker 2: the passer. He hit Love late twice. Secondly, you can
1:12:55
Speaker 2: say that Love was moving down at the same time
1:12:57
Speaker 2: the guy was going down when it was helmet to
1:12:59
Speaker 2: helmet the replay enough, I think he went for Love's head.
1:13:02
Speaker 2: You can say he did it, he didn't. I think
1:13:05
Speaker 2: the Bears wanted to knock Jordan Love out of the game.
1:13:07
Speaker 2: He just reminded me of the game forty years ago
1:13:10
Speaker 2: when the Packers decided to go after McMahon, when they
1:13:12
Speaker 2: had Charles Martin body slammed him, mcken stell's hitting, guys,
1:13:15
Speaker 2: laid out of bounds and so on. That the Bears
1:13:18
Speaker 2: are just with Ben Johnson. They're obsessed with the Packers,
1:13:20
Speaker 2: and they decided that they were going to bully the Packers.
1:13:24
Speaker 2: The Packers never retaliated. I think they deliberately took Love
1:13:31
Speaker 2: out of the game. Now, I understand, when you have
1:13:34
Speaker 2: a lead, you don't want to commit a stupid penalty.
1:13:36
Speaker 2: So going after Caleb Williams, you could say that, well,
1:13:38
Speaker 2: why commit a stupid penalty like that and get him
1:13:40
Speaker 2: back into the game. But the reality is is that
1:13:42
Speaker 2: the Bears were playing I felt overly aggressively throughout the
1:13:48
Speaker 2: course of the game, and there's no payback from the Packers.
1:13:50
Speaker 2: The payback was the Packers were dominating them. The Bears
1:13:53
Speaker 2: have a great offense. They had six points at fifty
1:13:56
Speaker 2: eight minutes, that's what they had. Six points in fifty
1:14:01
Speaker 2: eight minutes. The Packer defensive coordinator halfway enjoy him when
1:14:04
Speaker 2: I have him, because he's gone at the end of
1:14:06
Speaker 2: the year. He's just gone. I just do not see
1:14:09
Speaker 2: a scenario where he's not a head coach. There's too
1:14:11
Speaker 2: many jobs that are open. He's respected by everyone. The Packers'
1:14:15
Speaker 2: defense all season was premised on moving Parsons around because
1:14:19
Speaker 2: they knew he would be double teams, so they wanted
1:14:21
Speaker 2: to put him in a different position and each time
1:14:23
Speaker 2: complicating the attempts to double team him, and that freed
1:14:26
Speaker 2: up the other players on the defense. Suddenly you have
1:14:29
Speaker 2: to change your entire focus by not having Parsons. Now,
1:14:32
Speaker 2: the Packers did say, as we were, you know, doing
1:14:35
Speaker 2: our preparation for the season. Remember they didn't get Parsons
1:14:38
Speaker 2: until right before the season began. They went back and
1:14:42
Speaker 2: reverted to the way they were planning to run their
1:14:44
Speaker 2: defense all along before Micah Parsons got here. Nonetheless, it
1:14:48
Speaker 2: was a tremendous performance by the defense until you know,
1:14:53
Speaker 2: it's the same thing as the Seattle game. One thing
1:14:55
Speaker 2: led to another, then the floodgates broke. As for the
1:14:59
Speaker 2: drop on sidekick, I mean, the happiest guy in the world.
1:15:04
Speaker 2: Is Bostick right now, It's now Dobbs is the punchline.
1:15:08
Speaker 2: The difference, of course, is that Bostick was a backup Romeo.
1:15:11
Speaker 2: Dobbs had a brilliant game. He probably has the best
1:15:13
Speaker 2: hands of the team. He had five catches in the game.
1:15:16
Speaker 2: He said he took his eye off the ball and
1:15:17
Speaker 2: if the Bears were hitting, so he knew what was
1:15:20
Speaker 2: gonna happen. The ball bounced and Dobbs probably glanced up
1:15:24
Speaker 2: to see who was gonna drill him. Dobbs is a
1:15:26
Speaker 2: history of concussions, and the Bears were probably just gonna
1:15:28
Speaker 2: they were gonna go for his head, hoping to force
1:15:30
Speaker 2: a fumble and drive the ball free, and probably Dobbs
1:15:33
Speaker 2: thought about that for that split second and it buffed away.
1:15:36
Speaker 2: But when you cover a ball like that, your whole
1:15:38
Speaker 2: mindset is grab the ball, and also in your your
1:15:42
Speaker 2: body is going down over the ball, just in case
1:15:44
Speaker 2: your muffets, so that you're covering the ball and it
1:15:47
Speaker 2: bombs out of there. And the moment that it happened,
1:15:49
Speaker 2: I'm sure some packer farewell, but they still have to go.
1:15:51
Speaker 2: I just it just it was doomed. I mean, I
1:15:55
Speaker 2: do not ever remember the I'm not saying this has
1:15:59
Speaker 2: not happened, Paul. You ever remember the Packers winning a
1:16:01
Speaker 2: game because they recovered an on sidekick. Never, I'm not
1:16:05
Speaker 2: saying they never have. But I can now think of
1:16:07
Speaker 2: two games that we've lost it because we did, and
1:16:09
Speaker 2: the on side kick is very hard to recover, especially
1:16:12
Speaker 2: now where you have to declare that they're going to
1:16:14
Speaker 2: do it. So I mean that had to happen. And
1:16:19
Speaker 2: then I mean the Bears score the tying touchdown on
1:16:23
Speaker 2: that fourth down play where the Packer defenders got screwed up.
1:16:28
Speaker 2: It wasn't a pick playable. It was a crossing pattern
1:16:30
Speaker 2: and it looked like one of the guys lost his
1:16:32
Speaker 2: footing and Nixon was in the wrong place. But even
1:16:36
Speaker 2: with that, you know, the Bear's receiver, the guy who
1:16:38
Speaker 2: doesn't catch any passes name I forget who caught the pass.
1:16:41
Speaker 2: He was opened by fifty ten twelve yards right. Williams
1:16:45
Speaker 2: almost overthrew him. That was a terrible pass that he
1:16:48
Speaker 2: threw the guy's wide open and the guy had to
1:16:51
Speaker 2: dive and make a juggling catch and hang on and
1:16:53
Speaker 2: stay in bounds in the corner of the end zone.
1:16:55
Speaker 2: Because the Packer pass rush was spectacular. Williams just basically
1:16:59
Speaker 2: put the ball up in the year. He juggles the ball,
1:17:02
Speaker 2: it goes to his hands, he loses, then the Packers
1:17:04
Speaker 2: get the ball. I mean, nobody's blaming Willis for that fumble,
1:17:08
Speaker 2: but I don't know if he was changing the play
1:17:12
Speaker 2: before it, or if the center might have snapped it
1:17:14
Speaker 2: when he wasn't ready for it. The conditions were cold,
1:17:17
Speaker 2: but you know, if they get that snap, they get
1:17:20
Speaker 2: in and they score the game. There was potentially a
1:17:23
Speaker 2: chance that this game could have ended up in another
1:17:26
Speaker 2: tie for green Bay, but it didn't. I mean, the
1:17:31
Speaker 2: hard thing for green Bay to recover from, aside from
1:17:34
Speaker 2: the fact that they're almost certainly not going to win
1:17:36
Speaker 2: the division, to recover from and still make the playoffs
1:17:39
Speaker 2: is whether or not there's going to be an overhang
1:17:41
Speaker 2: from this game. Oftentimes there is. Green Bay does catch
1:17:46
Speaker 2: a break and play it. Now. Baltimore is in a
1:17:48
Speaker 2: must win situation next week. But Jackson got knocked out
1:17:52
Speaker 2: of the game against New England last night, and I
1:17:55
Speaker 2: think I didn't check his status, but it looks to
1:17:57
Speaker 2: me like he's going to have trouble playing in Baltimore
1:17:59
Speaker 2: with all Lamar Jackson is just a different team. Weirdly,
1:18:03
Speaker 2: it's two Saturday night games in a row for green Bay,
1:18:05
Speaker 2: but that game is critical for the Packers as I
1:18:08
Speaker 2: understand it, and Paul might be more up on this
1:18:10
Speaker 2: than me. I believe the Packers need to win one
1:18:12
Speaker 2: of these games in order to get into the playoffs.
1:18:14
Speaker 2: Is that correct? Oh? As you're saying they have to
1:18:20
Speaker 2: win two to clinch, they could win one by beating Baltimore.
1:18:23
Speaker 2: That I didn't know. Now, the final game of the
1:18:25
Speaker 2: season is Minnesota, and that game would be meaningless for
1:18:30
Speaker 2: the Vikings, but I'm sure the Packers would prefer to
1:18:33
Speaker 2: have things taken care of by then. Detroit did lose
1:18:36
Speaker 2: their game, and Detroit's another team that has won so
1:18:39
Speaker 2: many lucky games over the end. I mean, that was
1:18:42
Speaker 2: the wildest ending. Do you think the officials called it correctly? Well?
1:18:50
Speaker 2: Do you think it was past interference? Well, don't tell
1:18:54
Speaker 2: a Lions fan that, Detroit. It was the end of
1:18:57
Speaker 2: the game. Detroit had to score on the play, and
1:19:00
Speaker 2: the pass receiver for the Lions pushed off. No, I
1:19:02
Speaker 2: will say this, guys push off all the time, and
1:19:07
Speaker 2: about half the time it's caught. He pushed off, and
1:19:10
Speaker 2: whether the defender was faking or not, he clearly pushed back,
1:19:13
Speaker 2: you know, he buckled on the pushback and that left
1:19:16
Speaker 2: him open. The Lions fans are saying it happened before
1:19:20
Speaker 2: the pass, which would have made it a block and
1:19:22
Speaker 2: not a pass, But it seemed to me that the
1:19:24
Speaker 2: ball was probably in the air, so they called pass interference.
1:19:27
Speaker 2: In any event, the receiver ended up even though he
1:19:31
Speaker 2: did the push off, catching the ball back in the
1:19:34
Speaker 2: field of play, not the end zone. He pushed off
1:19:36
Speaker 2: to get free in the end zone because of where
1:19:37
Speaker 2: the pass was, he had to cross back into the
1:19:40
Speaker 2: field of play and caught it at the one yard
1:19:41
Speaker 2: line and was pushed back by the defender. Often you
1:19:44
Speaker 2: can fight through all of that, and they pushed him
1:19:49
Speaker 2: back and he was being pushed back six yards and
1:19:51
Speaker 2: then lateral s to Jared Goffer ran into the en
1:19:53
Speaker 2: zone for a touchdown and the referees ruled it a touchdown.
1:19:58
Speaker 2: That call was terrible. His forward progress was stopped, he
1:20:01
Speaker 2: was shoved back seven yards, and they didn't If there
1:20:04
Speaker 2: wasn't the pass interference, they would have won the game.
1:20:07
Speaker 2: So the referees had to dice through all of this,
1:20:09
Speaker 2: and they ruled it. Indeed, he had not hit his
1:20:11
Speaker 2: forward progress stopped. He was a lateral and it was
1:20:14
Speaker 2: there for a touchdown by golf, but it's negated by
1:20:17
Speaker 2: the fact that there was offensive pass interference and the game.
1:20:21
Speaker 2: If the game ends on a defensive penalty, you won
1:20:23
Speaker 2: an unplayed time down. But if it's an offensive penalty,
1:20:27
Speaker 2: the game simply ends. And from the perspective of the
1:20:30
Speaker 2: Packers is very important because it moves the Lions down
1:20:33
Speaker 2: another notch in that competition for a playoff spot. There,
1:20:39
Speaker 2: Paulsen Malik Willis played incredible for he did. He committed, however,
1:20:45
Speaker 2: a terrible fumble and you're right it could have been that. Again.
1:20:50
Speaker 2: I'm not blaming Willis for this, but I do wonder
1:20:53
Speaker 2: if Jordan Love had been there, would the Packers not
1:20:55
Speaker 2: have sunk in the red zone three field goals by
1:20:58
Speaker 2: the pack By the way, mcmaniston's credit for kicking in
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Speaker 2: those conditions, as this is a bear kicker. But if
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Speaker 2: the Packers scored just one touchdown in one of the
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Speaker 2: three times, if they had to kick field goals down
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Speaker 2: there again again again, they would have won the game.
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Speaker 2: It's an aggravating game and it's just made worse by
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Speaker 2: the fact that it's the Bears, and well, I'm you know,
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Speaker 2: Paulse's Love may not play this weekend, with Jackson likely
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Speaker 2: not playing as well if the Packers think they're going
1:21:23
Speaker 2: to make the playoffs. The absolute dumbest thing in the
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Speaker 2: world you can do is try to rush a guy
1:21:27
Speaker 2: back from a concussion, because then you get another one.
1:21:30
Speaker 2: You also have to be cleared with the concussion. That
1:21:32
Speaker 2: was a bad hit that Love took to the head.
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Speaker 2: At least I saved the crabbing about this till the
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Speaker 2: end of the program. Program note for you, for those
1:21:42
Speaker 2: of you who don't count by number, by da of
1:21:44
Speaker 2: the week, we are going to be doing a podcast
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Speaker 2: in the Christmas period. It's going to be released as
1:21:50
Speaker 2: normal on Wednesday, Christmas Eve, so we will have a
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Speaker 2: Christmas Eve podcast. The final podcast of the week, however,
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Speaker 2: will not be on Thursday, which is Chris to Stay.
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Speaker 2: We're going to hold that one until Friday, so don't
1:22:02
Speaker 2: look for the final one until Friday, and that's we'll
1:22:05
Speaker 2: do our football segment as well. Talk to you soon.
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