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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites, the podcast from the Volume Podcast Network.
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Speaker 1: I am Chad Millman, Chief Content Officer of the Action Network.
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Speaker 1: I am joined as I am every single episode by
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Speaker 1: my co host, my companion, my compadre, my BFF, professional
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Speaker 1: better from the Fighting City of Philadelphia. Home with the
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Speaker 1: team we love to win the NFC East, especially with
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Speaker 1: their odds. Mr Simon Hunter, Yeah, you know me chat
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Speaker 1: East Coaster for life, can't can can't be saved for you? Right?
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Speaker 1: I think you're looking West Coast? What's going on there, dude? Listen.
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Speaker 1: I was in Los Angeles last week, had a great
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Speaker 1: few days, and I uh spent some time all day
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Speaker 1: Friday the Action Network team. A lot of folks were there,
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Speaker 1: you know, Sean Kerner, Chris Raybon, Uh, they live out there.
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Speaker 1: We had some Action Network NFL brainstorming. Everybody should be
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Speaker 1: listening to the Action Network NFL podcast at this point
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Speaker 1: because it's ridiculously smart. You'll hear Kerner, You'll hear Raybon,
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Speaker 1: you'll hear Stucky, and we were talking about a lot
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Speaker 1: of ideas. And then that night we went to so
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Speaker 1: Far So the Rams play the Texans, and of course,
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Speaker 1: like the total in the game, I think it opened
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Speaker 1: at thirty eight, and then there were three points in
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Speaker 1: the first eight minutes, so everyone started betting the under
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Speaker 1: thirty one. And then of course there were ten points
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Speaker 1: in the final ninety seconds of the first half. Uh,
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Speaker 1: so it started making everyone sweat. The night before was
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Speaker 1: that Seahawks Bears game, and there was an Action Network
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Speaker 1: uh collapsing after the Seahawks did not score because he
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Speaker 1: had the under thirty eight in that game. It's sweating time.
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Speaker 1: It's summer, but it's already sweating time for the NFL season.
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Speaker 1: It's the best, like just sweating preseason games chat. It's
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Speaker 1: it's the ultimate appetizer before the main meal. We're about
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Speaker 1: the half it is, so listen. In a few minutes
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Speaker 1: are volume PUBA. Colin Cowherd is gonna come on. He's
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Speaker 1: gonna tell us everything he thinks he knows about the
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Speaker 1: NFC West, and we are going to try to make
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Speaker 1: him change his mind, because the guy doesn't really know
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Speaker 1: that much. Yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna be generationally wealthy. It's up to us to make
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Speaker 1: him look better throughout the course of the year. He's
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Speaker 1: trying to run a major media empire here. We can't
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Speaker 1: make him look foolish. We're gonna talk about the NFC West.
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Speaker 1: I just saw the Los Angeles Rams. Obviously, the Rams
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Speaker 1: who are the defending Super Bowl champions with Matthew Stafford,
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Speaker 1: with Sean McVeigh, with Aaron Donald, with Jalen Ramsey, with
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Speaker 1: Cooper cup cam Acres not the team to beat in
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Speaker 1: the NFC because that's still the Temp Bay Buccaneers according
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Speaker 1: to the odds, but they are at plus one to
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Speaker 1: win the NFC West. We're not going to make our
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Speaker 1: picks yet, but I will say, unlike last year, the
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Speaker 1: Rams and more interesting to me than the Niners, who
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Speaker 1: are a plus one. Last year, I loved, loved the Niners. Yeah, definitely,
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Speaker 1: definitely a different vibe. Right coming to this season, we
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Speaker 1: had our doubts with Matthew Stafford, a guy who had
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Speaker 1: been losing his whole career, and we kind of realized
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Speaker 1: maybe that was more of a Detroit Lions problem than
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Speaker 1: it wasn't Matthew Stafford problem him because he made major
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Speaker 1: clutch throws and huge spots that whole playoff run. Again,
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Speaker 1: Brady had his back against the wall. People forget that game.
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Speaker 1: They blew whatever that was. Ten lead. Brady came all
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Speaker 1: the way back and he made Matthew Stafford the big
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Speaker 1: throws to get that win. Again. They were down against
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Speaker 1: the four ninears ten points in the fourth quarter. He
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Speaker 1: came back and they won the NFC Championship game. Once
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Again, down a touchdown in the fourth
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Speaker 1: quarter or down four points, he went down the field
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Speaker 1: squarter touchdown. So you know, I'd love to love to
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Speaker 1: doubt the Rams and be like last year is a
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Speaker 1: little flukey, and you know it won't be as easy
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Speaker 1: this year with a tough division. But it's hard to
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Speaker 1: really doubt the Rams right there, the cream of the
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Speaker 1: crop right now. For anything. They they're gonna be better
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Speaker 1: than they were last year in the sense that they
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Speaker 1: have the confidence now, they have the belief And we
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Speaker 1: talked about it with Ross about the believing in your quarterback.
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Speaker 1: That's a huge advantage to certain teams. If you're the Rams,
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Speaker 1: you gotta be feeling good, right, I mean, you have
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Speaker 1: the ultimate belief in your quarterback. The only pause, as
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Speaker 1: we already here Stafford's getting injections in his throwing arm.
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Speaker 1: You want to be here in that mid August right,
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Speaker 1: like pause, A little little worriesothing like I was all
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Speaker 1: in on them to win this division. Now I'm a
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Speaker 1: little hesitant. I don't know if I'm gonna keep betting
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Speaker 1: them to win this division, just in the sense that
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Speaker 1: that's that's not good. Okay the coach coach came out
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Speaker 1: and talked about that it's not that big of a deal.
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Speaker 1: But Stafford himself, he said, yeah, I'm not gonna lie.
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Speaker 1: I have had injections in my elbow because it doesn't
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Speaker 1: feel right. So that's something you need a monitor before
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Speaker 1: you start to play some big bets on this Rams team. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: You mentioned Ross Tucker who we had on the podcast.
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Speaker 1: I can't remember now if it was Ross Tucker or
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Speaker 1: Jordan Palmer who basically broke it down. Your belief in
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Speaker 1: your quarterback is is into three categories. It can be
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Speaker 1: divided into three categories. You you know you can win,
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Speaker 1: you think you can win, You hope you can win.
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Speaker 1: The Rams are in a no you can win scenario
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Speaker 1: with Matthew Stafford. Can't be the same set for the
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Speaker 1: rest of this division, right the the Seahawks, you can't
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Speaker 1: even be in uh no think hope category. The Niners
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Speaker 1: and Cardinals are really fascinating. Like I said, Nineers plus one,
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Speaker 1: Cardinals plus three fifty? Um, what are wise guys saying
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Speaker 1: about the Niners right now? With Trey Lance as we've
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Speaker 1: gone into we've seen some preseason performances. I think the
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Speaker 1: wise guys are looking at it like the rest of us,
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Speaker 1: Where did you get the value on Trey Lance? Did
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Speaker 1: you bet Trey Lance in February March to win Offensive
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Speaker 1: Player of the Year and m v P just because
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Speaker 1: Jimmy g was still on the roster and still thought
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Speaker 1: to be the starter. That's where the value was. Now
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Speaker 1: you know we're here, are in August. Trey Lance has
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Speaker 1: had moments, right, We've seen him in the preseason have
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Speaker 1: some big throws and you can see why they were
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Speaker 1: able to they're saying, Okay, we all move on from
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Speaker 1: Jimmy because we know what Jimmy is, right, Jimmy is
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Speaker 1: a great quarterback, but he's the guy that you can count.
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Speaker 1: Is he a top fifteen guy? Probably not right. Jimmy's
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Speaker 1: just another guy. So to me, I like to move.
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Speaker 1: I like to move the tray. I like what I've
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Speaker 1: seen from Tray Lance. Can I get behind him over
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Speaker 1: the Cardinals? I don't know Cardinals. I kind of know
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Speaker 1: what they are. I don't really know what I'm getting
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Speaker 1: here in the Sporting Niners team, And we've seen in
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Speaker 1: the history of Shanahan they're an updown team. Every year
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Speaker 1: they peak, right, they make a Super Bowl, they make
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Speaker 1: an m C Championship game, and they completely fall off
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Speaker 1: the following season. Usually it's because of the quarterback injury,
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Speaker 1: but there's usually other reasons affect into that. So a
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Speaker 1: lot of question marks with this forty Niners team. And
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Speaker 1: I touch on a little bit of this Cardinals team.
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Speaker 1: I just don't think people like him right now, Like
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Speaker 1: the pros don't really like him either. The public doesn't
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Speaker 1: seem to care about him. I mean, that's pretty crazy.
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Speaker 1: Their plus three win this division, and they were a
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Speaker 1: quarter away, a quarter away from winning this division last
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Speaker 1: year and they lost it at the very end of
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Speaker 1: the season, So that that's kind of crazy. I didn't
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Speaker 1: know that number gone up that high. I guess it's
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Speaker 1: just moved because of the Tray Lance. You know, preseason games.
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Speaker 1: He just looked really good this preseason. Yeah, I think
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Speaker 1: people have started getting really excited about Trey Lance. I
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Speaker 1: feel like last year, the odds for the Niners to
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Speaker 1: win the division, we're not that much further off than
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Speaker 1: what they are right now. The Rams were the favorites,
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Speaker 1: but the Niners coming off the season they had had
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Speaker 1: um with Jimmy g a quarterback, like people were expecting
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Speaker 1: big things from that. So the fact that people are
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Speaker 1: feeling what they feel about Trey Lance, I'm a seller here.
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Speaker 1: I'll be honest, Like, I'm never a believer when I
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Speaker 1: see great things happening in the preseason. I'm not a
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Speaker 1: believer in a second year quarterback who really hasn't played
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Speaker 1: at the highest levels of competition yet. Um. I don't
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Speaker 1: like the Cardinals either, in Kyler Murray, I hate Cliff Kingsbury. Uh.
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Speaker 1: But I'm not a buyer, like I've always been a
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Speaker 1: buyer on the Niners. Yeah, not a buyer on the Niners.
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Speaker 1: I think it's the a lot of pros are looking
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Speaker 1: at as the RG three factor. Right, we saw Shannahan
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Speaker 1: with RG three squeeze every inch of talent out of
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Speaker 1: that kid, and he used him up, and he used
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Speaker 1: it in the wrong way. Right, the kid was never
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Speaker 1: the same RG three, Like that knee injury crippled his career. There,
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Speaker 1: Lance is a clean body. This kid has got no injuries.
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Speaker 1: He's he's good to go. He's got the weapons, he's
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Speaker 1: got the tools, he's got the arm, the speed, everything.
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Speaker 1: So like when I think about it, I think, Okay,
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Speaker 1: Shanahan and who I argue all the time, is the
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Speaker 1: top five offensive mine in this league. If this kid
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Speaker 1: can be legit and put it together, that's that's an
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Speaker 1: incredible upside of a team with the four niners. It's
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Speaker 1: what Chad's saying though, it's like you've got nothing a
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Speaker 1: base of off. We just have nothing to see of
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Speaker 1: Trey Lance. Where I watched his game film last year,
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Speaker 1: he was a deer headlights. Like, honestly, Shanahan barely opened
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Speaker 1: up the offensive playbook because that's how much he didn't
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Speaker 1: trust him. So the fact that Chan's back on me,
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Speaker 1: who knows, Maybe that's just because he's on the edge
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Speaker 1: right now because he gave away three first round picks.
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Speaker 1: Clearly they've staked their claim and saying, you know what,
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Speaker 1: you don't care about the Jimmy, the Jimmy drama. Jimmy
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Speaker 1: is not our quarterback. It's Trey Lance, and Jimmy has
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Speaker 1: just been sitting at home this whole time. Why is it?
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Speaker 1: Why is it okay to gamble on a lot of
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Speaker 1: what we're saying, we would gamble on decisions that are
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Speaker 1: the exact that that that have the same factors. Is
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Speaker 1: it the price? Is it the quarterback? Like? What are
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Speaker 1: we what's keeping us from making the decision to place
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Speaker 1: the bet on this team right now? I would say
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Speaker 1: surprised personally. Um, I've had a good run here waiting
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Speaker 1: out this team, Like last year that was a beauty.
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Speaker 1: We just waited it out. If you would have bet
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Speaker 1: them before the season, I believe they are fifteen to
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Speaker 1: one or eighteen to one to win the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 1: We did nothing. We didn't tire your money up. We
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Speaker 1: just wait did all the way until January. We got
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Speaker 1: them at one to make the Super Bowl. So this
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Speaker 1: four howne team we've just seen historically. They just kind
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Speaker 1: of have injuries throughout the season and two key guys
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Speaker 1: and they just don't put it together. Like what were
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Speaker 1: they last year? Nine and eight, ten and seven, and
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Speaker 1: they literally had one I think they're they lost their
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Speaker 1: final game, I'm pretty sure, but they had won whatever
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Speaker 1: it was five or sixth straight to get into the playoffs.
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Speaker 1: Maybe they did when their final game. I just remember
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Speaker 1: they had crazy momentum heading to the playoffs. And that's
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Speaker 1: what I'm looking for this team where it's like, I
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Speaker 1: think they're got a lot of speed bumps, Like Chad's
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Speaker 1: talking about Trey Lance, but man if Shanehan could figure
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Speaker 1: it out with this kid's talent, there's no holes in
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Speaker 1: this team. They got arguably the best pass rusher and
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Speaker 1: Nick Bosa, and they got one of the best linebackers
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Speaker 1: they'll play football and Fred Warner, it's like their defense
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Speaker 1: is set. We know the offensive scheme. So I guess
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Speaker 1: to me, the pros that have been betting this, it's
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Speaker 1: like the new toy, right, They've already won the money.
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Speaker 1: All last year we talked about the pros were all
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Speaker 1: over the Rams last year. They're just not on them.
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Speaker 1: This year. They're more on the new toy of Trey
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Speaker 1: Lance and this four downers team. Here's a question that
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Speaker 1: it would be a great one to ask Colin, which
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Speaker 1: will do as soon as he comes on in a
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Speaker 1: couple of minutes. You and I are both huge Kyle
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Speaker 1: Shanahan fans, and last year when we were talking about
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Speaker 1: the Rams and the Niners and all the wise guys
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Speaker 1: like the Rams. Credit to the wise guys. I love
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Speaker 1: the Niners because I thought Kyle Shanahan was a better
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Speaker 1: play caller and better at coaching up his team we
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Speaker 1: had seen in the past. He'll be playing second and
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Speaker 1: third stringers, and this team is playing it close and
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Speaker 1: winning games or losing games very closely. To me, that's
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Speaker 1: the sign of a great coach right now. McVeigh has
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Speaker 1: been to two Super Bowls in five years, won one,
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Speaker 1: lost one, clearly learned a lot from what he had lost. Uh,
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Speaker 1: made the heart choices to get rid of Jared goff Am.
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Speaker 1: I not giving Sean McVeigh enough credit. Is he a
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Speaker 1: better coach than Kyle Shanahan? What do you think? Yeah? Uh,
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Speaker 1: I mean I just say yes, I have. I have
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Speaker 1: more time to think about it during this offseason, just
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Speaker 1: because of you know how I feel about McVeigh that
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Speaker 1: I do think he is incredible and really smart, but
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Speaker 1: he does really dumb stuff at end of games, like
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Speaker 1: he gets tight and that was kind of the knock
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Speaker 1: on Shanahan. But the difference in McVeigh is he did
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Speaker 1: it right. He won the Super Bowl, where every time
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Speaker 1: Shanahan's gotten close. Again, I just talked about they're up
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Speaker 1: ten points in the fourth quarter with the ball with
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Speaker 1: Jimmy g and I don't want to put it on Shaneahan,
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Speaker 1: but he's calling the place and like that's what happened
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Speaker 1: with Matt Ryan. We could all put on that Ryan
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Speaker 1: choking away that Falcons game. I mean that was on
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Speaker 1: the coach, right. He played pre event offense. He was
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Speaker 1: just trying to waste the clock away and Tom Brady
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Speaker 1: was able to tire out that defense and bring it back.
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Speaker 1: So Shannon and to me, has all the question marks
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Speaker 1: right now. This guy is an offensive genius. He puts
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Speaker 1: his plays in the best position. But when it comes
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Speaker 1: to the crunch time in the fourth quarter again, I
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Speaker 1: even talk about him blowing that lead to the Chiefs
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Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, it's just time and time again.
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Speaker 1: He gets his team there and then all of a
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Speaker 1: sudden he loses it in the fourth quarter or So
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Speaker 1: that's why I'm just excited with the Trey Lands thing.
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Speaker 1: It's just like, no more excuses, right, Like, this is it.
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Speaker 1: You got your quarterback you wanted no more. You got
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Speaker 1: your guy, you got your team, you got your players
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Speaker 1: on defense. You've got your receiver running back in Deebo
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Speaker 1: Samuel Will happy and locked in. You've got the quarterback
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Speaker 1: that you traded up to get who can do everything
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Speaker 1: that allows you to call every play that you want
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Speaker 1: to call. Kyle Shanahan's gotta prove it. He's got to
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Speaker 1: prove it in the next couple of years. He's got
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Speaker 1: to prove that he can be the great coach that
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Speaker 1: everyone believes he can be. We're gonna bring in Colin
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Speaker 1: right now. I think that's the first question we're gonna
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Speaker 1: Here's what Simon and I have been debating, NFC West.
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Speaker 1: Best coach in the NFC West, Sean McVeigh, Kyle Shanahan.
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Speaker 1: Who's better? Well? Why this is my theory on this.
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Speaker 1: So three guys came out of Washington, McVeigh, Shanahan, and
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Speaker 1: the flour So McVeigh is the best culture builder. He's
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Speaker 1: good looking, it looks like an athlete. Athletes by indo him.
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Speaker 1: He's incredible in front of a room. He builds cultures.
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Speaker 1: Shanahan's the smartest of all three, and if you ask
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Speaker 1: them privately, they will tell you Kyle is the smart one.
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Speaker 1: Dad's a Hall of Fame level coach. He has a
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Speaker 1: real scheme that is duplicated throughout the league. McVeigh doesn't
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Speaker 1: because people can't duplicate Mcveigh's alpha, right. Mcveigh's literally Amazon
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Speaker 1: was gonna pay him twenty five million year of cock football.
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Speaker 1: Kyle wouldn't be that interesting. So mcveigh's the culture builder,
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Speaker 1: Shanahan's the genius, and the flour's caught in the middle.
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Speaker 1: He's not as good as McVeigh culture builder. He saw spoken.
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Speaker 1: He's not the genius of Shanahan. And my arguments always
18:53
Speaker 1: been all he's done is beat up on a increasingly
18:56
Speaker 1: bad NFC North. What where's I've watched the Packers melt
19:01
Speaker 1: down the last two years in the playoffs in the
19:03
Speaker 1: fourth quarter at home. I don't see any genius there.
19:06
Speaker 1: You got Aaron Rodgers, you know. So if you're asking
19:09
Speaker 1: me who's the better coach, Shanahan schematically is a better
19:12
Speaker 1: coach than John McVeigh. And if you gave him Stafford
19:17
Speaker 1: and you gave McVeigh, Jimmy Garoppolo would be really obvious.
19:21
Speaker 1: But I think Shanahan is our Bill Walsh. I think
19:25
Speaker 1: he is viewed as the most intelligent coach, But there
19:29
Speaker 1: is huge value in culture building. I think McVeigh has
19:33
Speaker 1: got a Tomlin feel to him. Tomlin feels like a
19:36
Speaker 1: player like like Mike. Do we think Mike schematically brilliant? No,
19:42
Speaker 1: but that that team plays hard in the preseason, like
19:46
Speaker 1: they have an attitude the Rams are really they've kind
19:50
Speaker 1: of cool, like kind of unflappable, kind of McVeigh. So
19:54
Speaker 1: it's not a good answer. But if you're asking me
19:57
Speaker 1: the greatest schematic coaches ever, we'd probably oh, Lombardi, Walsh,
20:03
Speaker 1: Peyton Belichick. I think Shanahan fits into that. He just
20:07
Speaker 1: doesn't have the ring as yet, but I think he's
20:08
Speaker 1: a g I think he's a football genius. So that
20:11
Speaker 1: that's interesting, right because last year, go back to last
20:14
Speaker 1: year the Niners in the Rams, there's a lot of
20:17
Speaker 1: talk about which one of these two teams will win
20:20
Speaker 1: the division, which one of these two teams should be
20:22
Speaker 1: the favorite to win the NFC along with the Bucks, Packers, etcetera.
20:27
Speaker 1: A lot of wise guys liked the Rams because of
20:30
Speaker 1: the addition to Matthew Stafford. I was poo pooing that
20:34
Speaker 1: because I felt like Kyle Shanahan. You know, they used
20:37
Speaker 1: to say that, the saying that Bump Phillips used to
20:41
Speaker 1: have about Chuck nol. I think it was right. Chuck
20:44
Speaker 1: Nole can take his twist, take his eleven and beat you,
20:47
Speaker 1: and take your eleven and then beat you again, right
20:50
Speaker 1: like he was such a good coach, it didn't matter.
20:52
Speaker 1: That's what I feel about Shanahan. But all of a sudden,
20:55
Speaker 1: because McVeigh has the ring, he feels like he's vaulted ahead.
21:00
Speaker 1: He's combined the culture and the scheme and been spart
21:02
Speaker 1: enough to bring people in whose schemes he can follow.
21:05
Speaker 1: Now we got the rams plus and the to win
21:09
Speaker 1: the division and the forty nine plus one seventy very
21:13
Speaker 1: short odds shorter than they had last year. I think
21:16
Speaker 1: with Jimmy g and Trey Lance, Simon, tell Colin your
21:20
Speaker 1: thoughts on this. I mean, looking at this line right now,
21:23
Speaker 1: I think the pros I told you, I think they're
21:25
Speaker 1: all over the forty niners. The upsides higher with the
21:27
Speaker 1: four niners. And since that Trey Lance reminds them of
21:30
Speaker 1: the exact plane stop RG three, And we know what
21:32
Speaker 1: shanahand did with RG three. He took that talent and
21:35
Speaker 1: took it to the highest level RG three could ever
21:36
Speaker 1: possibly reach. Right, I mean that was electric the whole
21:40
Speaker 1: country was taken over by that Washington football team when
21:42
Speaker 1: r G three took over that offense, and they're banking
21:44
Speaker 1: on the same idea with Trey Lance. This kid is
21:48
Speaker 1: incredible outside the pocket, huge arm, and a high level
21:52
Speaker 1: of intelligence, right, no turnovers. His last year playing in college,
21:55
Speaker 1: the man had zero interceptions. So when I think of
21:58
Speaker 1: what the pros looking at with the Trey Lance thing,
22:02
Speaker 1: it's the second year bump, right, It's the Mahomes and
22:04
Speaker 1: his second year took his team away to the a
22:06
Speaker 1: f C Championship game. It's Lamar in his second year
22:08
Speaker 1: when m VP. That's what they're betting on. So when
22:11
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the best valueless division, yeah, I would
22:14
Speaker 1: say that the pros and makes sense why they're on
22:16
Speaker 1: this fourt niners team where me, I'm looking at kind
22:18
Speaker 1: of boring where I just think this Rams team just complete,
22:21
Speaker 1: Like I see no step back from what they did
22:23
Speaker 1: last year, and I just believe in Stafford and McVeigh.
22:26
Speaker 1: I know what I'm getting here, And I think the
22:28
Speaker 1: numbers right like that that that a plus number plus
22:30
Speaker 1: one ten, plus one twenty, that's a fair value bet
22:33
Speaker 1: in the hardest division of football, arguably, so to me.
22:36
Speaker 1: You know, I take that number with the Rams just
22:38
Speaker 1: in the sense that this is to me the most
22:40
Speaker 1: competitive team in this division where I have too many
22:42
Speaker 1: questions still with this four Niners team at the QB position,
22:45
Speaker 1: you know the other thing where I like both the
22:48
Speaker 1: Rams and the Niners. So Tampa's interior old line has
22:53
Speaker 1: fallen apart. ALAMR. Pett was a top five guard gone,
22:57
Speaker 1: Ryan Jensen top five center gone. Now the backup got her,
23:01
Speaker 1: and the Packers no longer have Davante Adams. So it
23:05
Speaker 1: feels like to me, Brady will be able to throw
23:08
Speaker 1: on play action, but on straight drops against the Rams
23:12
Speaker 1: and Aaron Donald it will be a problem. On straight
23:15
Speaker 1: drops against the Niners pass rush, it will be a problem.
23:19
Speaker 1: So as you guys well know, sometimes it's how do
23:24
Speaker 1: you match up? Like Green Bay, to me, no longer
23:27
Speaker 1: feels like a team that can fall behind and quickly
23:31
Speaker 1: catch up. Without a number one receiver, They're gonna have
23:33
Speaker 1: to control the line of scrimmage and be a different
23:35
Speaker 1: team Tampa. Similarly, with this, Tom Brady hates pressure at
23:40
Speaker 1: the feet. They cannot trail late and drop eighteen straight times.
23:44
Speaker 1: That's not what this old line is. Jensen was a
23:47
Speaker 1: fantastic center, I mean, one of the league's more underrated players.
23:52
Speaker 1: So I kind of feel like in a weird way,
23:54
Speaker 1: as the a f C it just gets better and
23:58
Speaker 1: all these young quarterbacks get better and more experienced. The
24:01
Speaker 1: NFC is just open for the Rams and the Niners.
24:05
Speaker 1: I think, and I think what Trey Lance will be
24:09
Speaker 1: is a less accurate Jimmy G with more big plays athletically,
24:13
Speaker 1: and that'll be fine. I mean, Jimmy G had twenty
24:15
Speaker 1: tv s twelve picks last year they got to the
24:16
Speaker 1: NFC Championship. They really had no over the top ability, right,
24:20
Speaker 1: But he's an accurate thrower. So I kind of feel
24:23
Speaker 1: like Rams Niners they've gotten a huge break with Davante
24:26
Speaker 1: Adams leaving and the Buck's injuries. I don't think Tampa
24:29
Speaker 1: Green Bay have the ability to play from behind at
24:32
Speaker 1: the same level as they did in previous years. So
24:35
Speaker 1: right now, according to fan Duel, Tampa Bay Buccaneers plus
24:39
Speaker 1: three forty on the money line. That's all Tom Brady, right,
24:43
Speaker 1: Like Colin, what you just said about the offensive line
24:46
Speaker 1: is accurate. Every better knows you pay attention to what's
24:50
Speaker 1: happening there. It's why betters watch preseason games so they
24:53
Speaker 1: can see how the second and third string offensive linemen
24:56
Speaker 1: are doing. Because in Week ten, if that guy's out,
24:58
Speaker 1: it starters out. They want to know what kind of
25:00
Speaker 1: value they're going to get, right, So that's a public play.
25:04
Speaker 1: Bucks at plus three, Rams five to one plus five
25:08
Speaker 1: right now, Packers five to one on FanDuel. That feels
25:12
Speaker 1: like an Aaron Rodgers public play, too, right because, like Colin,
25:16
Speaker 1: I've heard you talk on the radio about Matt Lafleur
25:20
Speaker 1: about the scheme about the knee for receivers. Right now.
25:26
Speaker 1: Then you've got the Niners at plus seven fifty. Of
25:29
Speaker 1: those four teams, which two teams have the most talent,
25:34
Speaker 1: have the best coaches, and are the most loaded at
25:37
Speaker 1: every single position that matters the most right now in football? Yeah,
25:42
Speaker 1: the two teams I've watched in the preseason, even with backups,
25:46
Speaker 1: I'm gone, Wow, Bills Niners, Like the Rams have really good,
25:51
Speaker 1: really good high end talent, but they don't have a
25:53
Speaker 1: second corner um their linebacking core outside of Bobby Wagner's
25:57
Speaker 1: pretty pedestrian interioral lines. A. When I watched the Bills
26:01
Speaker 1: and the Niners, I'm like ship I mean that Niners
26:04
Speaker 1: all those that running back from l Sue Danny Gray
26:08
Speaker 1: like they hit them and they had on some draft picks.
26:11
Speaker 1: It's like, oh wow, while they were deep. I think
26:15
Speaker 1: we forget to the Niners have had and maybe at
26:17
Speaker 1: Shanahan style. They've overcome a lot of injuries in the
26:21
Speaker 1: last two years in the toughest division. They still give
26:25
Speaker 1: the Rams fits with injured Jimmy G, injured Devo, injured Kittle.
26:31
Speaker 1: They have overcome injuries so far. It's been a pretty
26:35
Speaker 1: clean camp and I think they have more depth now
26:37
Speaker 1: than they had the previous two years. So in your opinion,
26:42
Speaker 1: Trey Lance, everyone's getting excited about him. When you look
26:46
Speaker 1: at a Tray Lance as quarterback, see what he hasn't done,
26:52
Speaker 1: See what he did in college against clearly inferior competition.
26:58
Speaker 1: What makes you feel comfortable by into the Niners about
27:02
Speaker 1: him because I think they have a super Bowl coach,
27:06
Speaker 1: is super Bowl defensive, super Bowl roster. I think they
27:08
Speaker 1: have depth. Seattle's tanking in the division. That's two wins
27:12
Speaker 1: and my takeaway is, um, I think he's going to
27:16
Speaker 1: complete about his throws and he's going to be Jimmy G.
27:20
Speaker 1: But healthier and more dynamic moving the ball. Um Shanahan's
27:27
Speaker 1: very interesting. Privately, he may have concerns about his accuracy.
27:35
Speaker 1: But what Kyle Shanahan wouldn't want. I'd make the argument
27:39
Speaker 1: he wouldn't want Aaron Rodgers because Aaron wouldn't listen to him.
27:43
Speaker 1: Kyle likes quarterbacks who he can tell what to do
27:47
Speaker 1: and they'll listen. And I think most great offensive coaches
27:52
Speaker 1: truth be told. I think far drove home grown crazy.
27:56
Speaker 1: Um Montana was a good listener. That's why Walsh liked him.
28:00
Speaker 1: Is that we always have this idea like I think.
28:02
Speaker 1: I think Mahomes is hard to coach. I think mechanically
28:05
Speaker 1: he goes sideways every year for about six weeks. I
28:08
Speaker 1: think Andy Reid loves him, but he's hard. So there's
28:12
Speaker 1: always this feeling that, um, you know, the more talent
28:15
Speaker 1: the better. No, really, it's actually Brady knows his limitations
28:19
Speaker 1: and that's why he's always taken to coaching. Aaron Rodgers
28:22
Speaker 1: is harder to coach. Marino was harder to coach, Jeff
28:25
Speaker 1: George was hard to coach. So Trey is not good
28:28
Speaker 1: enough to be uncoachable. And I think Tray knows it.
28:31
Speaker 1: And I think in a weird way, Shanahan can mold
28:35
Speaker 1: him to what he wants him to be. So I
28:38
Speaker 1: don't see all his limitations as flaws. I see them
28:41
Speaker 1: as sort of benefits for a brilliant coach who doesn't
28:45
Speaker 1: want a guy at living who doesn't want a guy
28:46
Speaker 1: out there, who who believes, like I could win with
28:48
Speaker 1: any coach. I think Trey Lance needs Kyle, and so
28:52
Speaker 1: I think the relationship when the quarterback needs the coach,
28:55
Speaker 1: it works. I never know, when you say privately, I
28:59
Speaker 1: never know how behind the curtain you're bringing us because
29:02
Speaker 1: of all your contacts in the NFL that was not sourced.
29:06
Speaker 1: That is my belief. I think if you listen to
29:08
Speaker 1: my show, you watch yeah. So my belief is like
29:13
Speaker 1: Sean Payton is a great example. Drew Brees was short,
29:16
Speaker 1: Drew Brees wasn't super athletic. Drew Brees couldn't throw it
29:19
Speaker 1: over the top his last seven years. He needed coaching. Therefore,
29:22
Speaker 1: he was really coachable. That's why Sean Payton loved him.
29:25
Speaker 1: Right Like Josh Allen is great, but he would drive
29:28
Speaker 1: Sean Payton at times crazy. Mahomes drives Andy crazy at
29:31
Speaker 1: times like they like you know, it's it's not easy,
29:33
Speaker 1: it's constantly managing. So the downside of Lebron is he
29:37
Speaker 1: doesn't need a lot of coaching, and so you kind
29:39
Speaker 1: of sometimes the knock on Lebron has been in the NBA.
29:42
Speaker 1: It's kind of his team. The offense runs through Lebron.
29:45
Speaker 1: You don't do a lot of coaching. And so for
29:47
Speaker 1: for Frank Vogel that maybe is okay, but for Spoelstra
29:51
Speaker 1: it drove him fucking baddy. Like like Spoilster's a coach,
29:53
Speaker 1: He's really good coach. He likes to coach. Lebron doesn't
29:56
Speaker 1: need a lot of coaching. So I think Shannahan's a genius,
29:59
Speaker 1: and I think he likes to mold stuff out of
30:02
Speaker 1: his vision. And Jimmy and Trey, I mean Jimmy's let's
30:07
Speaker 1: be honest, it wasn't Jimmy's lack of talent. It's just
30:10
Speaker 1: Jimmy's not as committed as Kyle is. He disappears and
30:13
Speaker 1: he's hurt, but trays trays issues are you know, he
30:18
Speaker 1: I wish he was a pretty er thrower. He's not.
30:20
Speaker 1: He's not Joe Brow, he's not kinda lets't know who
30:22
Speaker 1: he is, but I think in the end he's gonna
30:24
Speaker 1: like Tray Tray and get to about sixty one and
30:26
Speaker 1: a half sixty completion percentage. He's he's talented enough to win,
30:31
Speaker 1: but not talented enough to not listen. Alright, So for value,
30:36
Speaker 1: we like the Niners, but the Rams are probably the
30:42
Speaker 1: Niners to me, are the better bet because you get
30:45
Speaker 1: from value. Yeah, I think people view lance as weak
30:48
Speaker 1: or a weakness, and I'm like, I don't. I I
30:51
Speaker 1: also I think the Niners are one of the better bet.
30:53
Speaker 1: Minnesota is my favorite bet in the NFC. I think
30:55
Speaker 1: they're I think nine and a half is just incredibly
30:58
Speaker 1: like I would pound me under Dallas, pound me over
31:01
Speaker 1: on Minnesota. But I think the Niners are the rare.
31:05
Speaker 1: I think it's the second best roster in the League
31:07
Speaker 1: of Buffalo, I really do. I think it's in every
31:10
Speaker 1: unit they have a star. I mean seriously, I mean
31:13
Speaker 1: Fred Warner, Bosa, Trent Williams, Debot Uh, Elijah Mitchell, Frankly
31:20
Speaker 1: in Kyle's system is kind of a star. Like they
31:22
Speaker 1: have stars everywhere, tight end, safeties, pass rushers, tackles. I
31:27
Speaker 1: love their roster. I mean, I can't disagree with column
31:31
Speaker 1: that it's it is a good value bet on the
31:32
Speaker 1: forty niners. To me, the value has been bet out
31:35
Speaker 1: of at this point. That's why I'm just all hesitant
31:37
Speaker 1: on it. Where the pros have already hit it. Where
31:39
Speaker 1: we talked about and late in the seat, like late
31:41
Speaker 1: after the season ended, Jimmy was still the quarterback, so
31:44
Speaker 1: people were still kind of down on the four And
31:46
Speaker 1: I is just because we've seen the same song and
31:48
Speaker 1: dance with Jimmy and there was no real upside to
31:50
Speaker 1: the betting that team. Now Trey Land stepping in, they've
31:53
Speaker 1: been bet up to this point. So to me, I
31:55
Speaker 1: disagree in the sense that I think the best values
31:57
Speaker 1: on the Rams because their number really has come down
31:59
Speaker 1: a little bit. Where we talked about that news about
32:03
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford getting two shots into his elbow is throwing arm.
32:07
Speaker 1: That moved that number right, people immediately were like me,
32:09
Speaker 1: there's that. That's red flags. When you're hearing some again
32:11
Speaker 1: injections in August, that's bad. So to me, that's the big,
32:16
Speaker 1: the big pause of the Rams right now. If I
32:18
Speaker 1: was gonna put six figures on them head into the season,
32:21
Speaker 1: that's cut way down, way way down. So to me,
32:24
Speaker 1: I was all in on the Rams head into it.
32:25
Speaker 1: I was gonna get in on it with a lot
32:27
Speaker 1: of other guys. But I think we're all kind of
32:29
Speaker 1: all on a motive. We'll touch the Rams, will bet
32:31
Speaker 1: the Rams. So I think Colin touched and I still
32:34
Speaker 1: think they're the best team them in the four nineers
32:36
Speaker 1: in the NFC with everything going on Green Band Tampa.
32:39
Speaker 1: But there's still so many question marks. I'd rather bet
32:41
Speaker 1: these other teams that are way down the NFC because
32:43
Speaker 1: I just think it's wide open. There's just a lot
32:45
Speaker 1: of question marks on all these teams, even the top
32:47
Speaker 1: ones NFC. There's no value in the a f C
32:49
Speaker 1: this year. We know who the six big dogs are
32:51
Speaker 1: in the FC, the six best quarterbacks NFC. Like again,
32:54
Speaker 1: well we talked about the Eagles. There's all these new
32:57
Speaker 1: and upcoming quarterbacks NFC that you able to hit on
33:00
Speaker 1: one of these guys, and that's where the value is
33:01
Speaker 1: gonna be. Listen, Colin just said the Niners could be
33:06
Speaker 1: the second best roster after the Bills. Bills are six
33:09
Speaker 1: to one to win the Super Bowl right now. Uh
33:13
Speaker 1: And according to FanDuel, the San Francisco forty Niners are
33:18
Speaker 1: six team to one, and there are five teams that
33:22
Speaker 1: separate them, the Bucks, Chiefs, Rams, Packers, Chargers, then Niners
33:26
Speaker 1: at sixteen to one. So what I'll say is, as
33:30
Speaker 1: we wrap it up here, listen to Colin, go b
33:33
Speaker 1: the Niners sixteen to one to win the Super Bowl?
33:38
Speaker 1: What I bet that? Are you asking me at six
33:41
Speaker 1: That's how I'm ending it. That's what I'm saying. Go.
33:44
Speaker 1: But then listen to Colin. The Niners have the second
33:47
Speaker 1: best roster. They are one to three, four, five, six,
33:52
Speaker 1: seven shortest odds at sixteen to one to win the
33:56
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. That feels like a play you want to make.
33:59
Speaker 1: Boom totally agree. Brandon a US had a great camp,
34:02
Speaker 1: by the way, so it feels like they've got two a's.
34:04
Speaker 1: The reports I get from like Middle calf UK has exploded.
34:08
Speaker 1: Are you debo? Like you said? Along the offensive line,
34:13
Speaker 1: along the defensive line. It's an elite team with elite
34:16
Speaker 1: coaching staff and a big question at quarterback and whether
34:19
Speaker 1: or not they can manage that becomes the question. It's
34:21
Speaker 1: also the defining moment for Kyle Shanahan's legacy. I agree. Okay,
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