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  Speaker 1: Most of what's on his resume is completely made up.
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  Speaker 2: Oh jeez, not one of these again.
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  Speaker 3: He just left. None of us knew where he went
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  Speaker 3: or why.
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  Speaker 2: She didn't have one legitimate degree on her resume.
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  Speaker 3: Not one.
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  Speaker 2: MIT confronted her and she resigned within 48 hours.
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  Speaker 3: This is The Bad Hire, the show with the best
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  Speaker 3: stories about the worst employees.
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  Speaker 1: We fired him, of course.
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  Speaker 3: People are crazy.
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  Speaker 2: It's like an HR nightmare.
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  Speaker 3: Right? One bad hire stole all of it. Crazy stuff.
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  Speaker 1: She got what she deserved.
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  Speaker 3: Oh. I'm your host, Ken Monroe, and every week we
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  Speaker 3: dive into real-life stories from the wild world of work
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  Speaker 3: and what can happen when the wrong person gets the job.
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  Speaker 3: These stories aren't just crazy. They're cautionary tales about lessons
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  Speaker 3: learned the hard way. Let's get started. Hey, everybody. Welcome
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  Speaker 3: back to the podcast, The Bad Hire, where we tell
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  Speaker 3: the best stories about some of the worst hires ever. Welcome, Emma. Hi.
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  Speaker 3: What's up?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Kyrie, my guy.
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  Speaker 3: Good to have you, sir.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, good to be here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm excited about that. You haven't been on here before.
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  Speaker 2: I know, first time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Took you so long.
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  Speaker 1: For real.
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  Speaker 3: For real, for real, right? Because everybody knows Kyrie's. If
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  Speaker 3: you don't know, Kyrie's on B-Check sales team, but you
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  Speaker 3: need to, you got to go check out the LinkedIn
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  Speaker 3: post where he sang to an He's got cool LinkedIn
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  Speaker 3: posts because he does these really cool LinkedIn posts where
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  Speaker 3: he sings. One of them is about people not answering
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  Speaker 3: your calls, which I love that one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But the other day he was speaking at a– It
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  Speaker 3: was pink. Yeah. It was at a trade show or something.
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  Speaker 3: And he had to go up front and talk to
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  Speaker 3: the entire trade show for a couple of minutes. And
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  Speaker 3: he actually had the entire place singing. He got them
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  Speaker 3: all singing, which was awesome. That was good stuff, man.
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  Speaker 2: Trying to get them engaged.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they were. They were singing Sweet Caroline, right? So welcome, guys. Hey,
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  Speaker 3: you guys know the drill. Here's what we do every week.
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  Speaker 3: We read some of the wildest, weirdest, jaw-dropping, kind of
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  Speaker 3: crazy stuff. Stories, they could be, you know, I think
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  Speaker 3: a lot of them are just like unbelievable. You can't
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  Speaker 3: believe that happened. Or sometimes they're a little redeeming. That's
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  Speaker 3: the ones I love, the good hearted ones where maybe
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  Speaker 3: somebody blows it up, but recovers and does something amazing.
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  Speaker 3: But what we do is we tell these stories and
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  Speaker 3: the folks that are in the hiring business, Business owners,
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  Speaker 3: people who are dealing with people every day, employees, surely
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  Speaker 3: this resonates with them because we've all had a really
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  Speaker 3: bad hire before probably. But listen, we also have a
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  Speaker 3: contest going. So if you submit your stories, you can
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  Speaker 3: go to thebadhire.com. submit your stories, check out how to
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  Speaker 3: submit the story. Um, and that's how you get on
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  Speaker 3: the show. We'll, we'll read your story. If you say
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  Speaker 3: you want to be on a segment, if you get
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  Speaker 3: an email from us asking, if you want to do
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  Speaker 3: a segment, uh, Hey, respond and just say, Hey, sure.
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  Speaker 3: I'd love to do it. We'll, uh, we'll set up, uh, uh,
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  Speaker 3: some time with a producer. They'll film a clip with you,
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  Speaker 3: you telling your story, and then we'll play it on
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  Speaker 3: the show. Absolutely do that. That's super cool. Um, and then, um,
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  Speaker 3: And you can just submit them directly to our email,
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  Speaker 3: I think, at whatever.
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  Speaker 1: We have a form. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So there's a form and some emails you can send them. Now,
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  Speaker 3: you can be anonymous. One of the submissions today is anonymous.
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  Speaker 3: They want to submit. They want to compete for the $ 10, 000.
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  Speaker 3: But they don't want their name in the stories. And
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  Speaker 3: that's totally cool, too. We'll be happy to protect your
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  Speaker 3: identity as we tell your crazy story. So thebadhire.com. chance
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  Speaker 3: to win 10,000 bucks. Good luck till you shoot your shot.
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  Speaker 3: That's it? Yep. Is that good? Yep. All right, you
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  Speaker 3: want to jump into it?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, please.
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  Speaker 3: Who's up?
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  Speaker 1: Me?
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  Speaker 3: I start? Yep. All right, here it is. In my
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  Speaker 3: younger years, I worked for a bank. Not in a
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  Speaker 3: great location, but that's not important to the story. I
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  Speaker 3: was there long enough for three managers to come and go.
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  Speaker 3: And The third and final manager I worked under was terrible.
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  Speaker 3: He was transferred to the branch to clean up, as
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  Speaker 3: we had already failed two audits. So let's call this
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  Speaker 3: manager Joe. Joe had a knack of showing up disheveled,
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  Speaker 3: running on three or four hours of sleep, chugging five-hour
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  Speaker 3: energy shots all day, and just overall making sure we
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  Speaker 3: all knew he hated the opening shifts. His day-to-day consisted
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  Speaker 3: of hanging out in his office and only popping out
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  Speaker 3: when an attractive woman stopped in. Somehow he would find
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  Speaker 3: his way up behind the teller line, taking over a
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  Speaker 3: transaction we were already processing. This man would fold and
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  Speaker 3: offer everything under the sun to these women, waiving fees,
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  Speaker 3: processing refunds. On one occasion, I had to go physically
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  Speaker 3: ask him to override a system message for me to
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  Speaker 3: complete a transaction. as my previous attempts were met with,
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  Speaker 3: hold on, or just a minute, wait a second. No
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  Speaker 3: surprise to anyone, he was helping another good-looking lady.
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  Speaker 1: That makes me so uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 3: Real blast action. People coming in, you just see this
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  Speaker 3: guy jump out, come rolling off the line of the counter.
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  Speaker 3: It had to be like, I mean, that's got to
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  Speaker 3: be terrible.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Right? When he finally made it over to my window,
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  Speaker 3: he processed the override and waved off our customer. This
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  Speaker 3: man physically grabbed my forearm and twisted it, gritting his teeth, advising,
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  Speaker 3: never interrupt him again. Okay. Fast forward a few months.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, was this a, who was this?
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  Speaker 3: So apparently he's doing his, he's doing, you know, he's
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  Speaker 3: shooting the many shots he tries all day long. And
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  Speaker 3: he comes and she's trying to get his attention behind
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  Speaker 3: the teller because she needs something undone. She needs an
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  Speaker 3: override code. And so she interrupts him to let him know,
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  Speaker 3: and then after he handles the good-looking woman transaction, he
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  Speaker 3: comes over to her and grabs her by her wrist.
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  Speaker 1: So another woman.
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 1: He twisted another woman's arm.
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  Speaker 3: It's the woman telling the story. Oh.
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  Speaker 4: It's her.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, oh, oh. So she's saying she went over to him.
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  Speaker 3: She's asking him, right? She asked him to do this override,
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  Speaker 3: but he was already talking to this good-looking woman. this
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  Speaker 3: good-looking customer. So when that's over, he comes over to
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  Speaker 3: her and snatches her wrist up and gives her a
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  Speaker 3: tight squeeze and a twist to make sure she knows
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  Speaker 3: don't ever interrupt him.
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  Speaker 1: Immediately not.
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  Speaker 2: They're off the emperor's groove.
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  Speaker 1: Immediately.
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  Speaker 3: What would you do, Emma? Would you drop him? I
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  Speaker 3: know what you would do.
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  Speaker 1: What would I do?
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  Speaker 3: I know what you would do.
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  Speaker 1: You know how.
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  Speaker 3: You dial 9-1-1?
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  Speaker 1: You would be like darling 9-1-1.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no. I didn't say that. You would
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  Speaker 3: be D.A.D.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I would be. Yeah, I would be doing that.
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  Speaker 3: D.A.D.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely would be doing that.
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  Speaker 3: Dad, this man just put his hand on me. I
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  Speaker 3: feel sorry for him. Unreal. Adult. Never interrupt me again,
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  Speaker 3: he says. Fast forward a few months and all these
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  Speaker 3: freebies called up to him. Joe found out. So he's
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  Speaker 3: given all these ladies freebies. Fast forward a few months,
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  Speaker 3: all these freebies caught up to him. Joe found out
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  Speaker 3: somehow that he was being fired. And instead of waiting
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  Speaker 3: as one would to kind of accept their fate when
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  Speaker 3: they're going to get fired, he just walked up. He
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  Speaker 3: just left. None of us knew where he went or why.
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  Speaker 3: What we did know is that the market director showed
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  Speaker 3: up only to ask where he had gone off to.
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  Speaker 3: So market director shows up, ask him where he's at.
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  Speaker 3: Come to find out. he scurried off to the branch
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  Speaker 3: up the road to cozy up with the manager there.
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  Speaker 3: I never knew how that panned out. I was leaving
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  Speaker 3: for the day after that someone said the market... I
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  Speaker 3: was leaving for the day after that, and someone said
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  Speaker 3: the market director yelled into the phone that he needed
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  Speaker 3: to come back to the branch immediately. So.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, so he assumed he was going to get fired,
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  Speaker 1: and he just walked out of the building?
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  Speaker 3: I guess so. He just walks up to another branch.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure I'm done. I'm done.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure this is it for them. I guess I'll
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  Speaker 1: just go down. I'll just see myself.
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  Speaker 3: I'm about to get fired. I'm going to head up
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  Speaker 3: to this other branch and see if I can get
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  Speaker 3: a manager up there.
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  Speaker 1: Surely I've done enough.
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  Speaker 3: That'll give me an out. I'll take him. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Unreal.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, gosh.
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  Speaker 1: Never mind. I was going to say something, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't think I'm going to say it. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: I will.
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  Speaker 4: No, say it.
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm good. Yeah, I know. I, you know, this
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  Speaker 3: guy's driver, man, was like, like, like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: he was running that like it was some type of
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  Speaker 3: dating scene for him. You know, it was like.
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  Speaker 1: I just, it just makes me really uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm with you.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks a lot, Joe. Yeah. I will tell you. I
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  Speaker 3: know this. One of my employees grabbed another one. If
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  Speaker 3: one of my male employees grabbed one of my female
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  Speaker 3: employees by the arm like that, oh, my God.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a problem.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, man. So let's go to, I think we got
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  Speaker 3: to sort, what is this?
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  Speaker 1: This is Matt. I think Nathan met with him.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, great. But yeah. All right, Matt, let's hear it.
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  Speaker 3: We hired a young lady as a clerk. I believe
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  Speaker 3: she was in her late 20s.
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  Speaker 4: And she was great. She was a hard worker. She
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  Speaker 4: was dependable. She picked everything up really fast. So a
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  Speaker 4: year or so into her tenure, she ends up pregnant
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  Speaker 4: But towards the end of her pregnancy, she decided she
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  Speaker 4: wasn't going to take the maternity leave. She was just
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  Speaker 4: going to be a stay-at-home mom. So she had a
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  Speaker 4: younger sister that happened to be looking for a job
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  Speaker 4: at the same time. It seemed like her timing for us,
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  Speaker 4: and it just worked out well. So we brought her in,
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  Speaker 4: we interviewed her, hired her. She seemed to have been
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  Speaker 4: on the shy side, but her sister kind of started
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  Speaker 4: to fly it as well, so that's not a big deal.
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  Speaker 4: But now as she's going, I believe she's there two
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  Speaker 4: or three months. And she's learning. She's not part-time like
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  Speaker 4: we'd like. So, you know, she's going and we're working
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  Speaker 4: with her. But then one day a police officer shows
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  Speaker 4: up and he just comes in. He asked for her.
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  Speaker 4: And they go, they talk in the back for a minute.
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  Speaker 3: They come out.
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  Speaker 4: She's upset. They walk out to the parking lot and
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  Speaker 4: they arrested her. And come to find out. So she
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  Speaker 4: was working as an office clerk taking payments. And apparently
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  Speaker 4: she had wrote down a customer's card information and then
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  Speaker 4: used it to her car payment. And then got traced
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  Speaker 4: back pretty quickly.
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  Speaker 1: How stupid can you be?
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  Speaker 4: The customer got her money back. Everything was fine. But, yep,
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  Speaker 4: she had to be terminated that day.
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  Speaker 1: What did you think was going to happen?
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  Speaker 3: I totally never get this, right? I mean, I write
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  Speaker 3: down your credit card information, and then I go pay
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  Speaker 3: my car payment with it.
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  Speaker 1: What did you think was going to happen?
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  Speaker 3: What's this crazy charge? It was a hard payment. Times
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  Speaker 3: are hard, I guess. It's a car payment. Oh, my gosh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You got to really be going through it to get
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  Speaker 2: that desperate.
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  Speaker 3: To do something like that.
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  Speaker 1: No, for real. I mean, I get it. Times are tough, but,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what?
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  Speaker 3: Be smarter.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I hate that. They probably, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't feel bad. Because I imagine the first woman
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  Speaker 1: who's like, now I stay at home, I'm whatever. She's like, dang,
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  Speaker 1: I handed my sister off to these people and she
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  Speaker 1: just stole from them.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, she had to know her sister. We were
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  Speaker 3: kind of wild.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe so.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe so.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she's your problem now.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever. What do you got, Emma?
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  Speaker 5: Me?
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I just have one.
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  Speaker 4: Today.
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  Speaker 1: Let me find it. Okay, here we go. Sorry, the
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  Speaker 1: mic's in the way. So Buddy Amon works at a
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  Speaker 1: mid-sized finance firm, open floor plan, analyst pool, the whole setup.
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  Speaker 1: They bring on a new hire. We're going to call
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  Speaker 1: him Dylan, who starts on a Monday and by Tuesday
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  Speaker 1: at lunch is already across the street at the cafe
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  Speaker 1: with a couple of his new co-workers. By all accounts,
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  Speaker 1: Dylan is in great spirits. He's talking loudly. about how
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  Speaker 1: hilarious it is that he got the job at all
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  Speaker 1: because most of what's on his resume is completely made up.
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  Speaker 1: And he's not being vague about it. He's listing it
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  Speaker 1: out one by one. Yeah, for real.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He was definitely reading up on that one thread. The
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  Speaker 1: certification fake, the previous role never happened. The big project
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  Speaker 1: he claimed to have led wasn't even at his old company.
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  Speaker 1: He's laughing. His co-workers are laughing.
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  Speaker 2: It's a whole moment.
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  Speaker 1: But what Dylan did not know is that his boss
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  Speaker 1: was sitting in the booth directly. Bye.
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  Speaker 3: No way. So he's at lunch? Is that what's happening?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's at lunch with his co-host.
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  Speaker 3: He goes to lunch. I guess he goes to lunch.
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  Speaker 1: So he started on Monday and then the next day
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  Speaker 1: he's already like made friends or whatever. So they go
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  Speaker 1: out to lunch the second day and he's already just spilling.
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  Speaker 2: And the boss is sitting in the booth next to him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he just happens to be there, but he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: see him at first. The boss doesn't say a word.
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  Speaker 1: He just sits there. He finishes his sandwich. He pays,
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  Speaker 1: walks back to the office. And when Dylan returns from
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  Speaker 1: lunch about 15 minutes later, his desk has already been
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  Speaker 1: cleared out. So total tenure, approximately 28 hours. And that
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  Speaker 1: was the end of it.
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  Speaker 3: Not totally a first day flame out, but pretty close.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty close. I mean, we have a lot of stories.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you're going to do that. We're
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  Speaker 3: going to make all that up. I don't get the
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  Speaker 3: bragging about it like the next day.
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  Speaker 1: I don't get bragging about it at all, really, but
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  Speaker 1: what do I know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that you take to your grave. I can't believe
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  Speaker 2: you guys let me in.
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  Speaker 3: It's crazy. I'm a liar.
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  Speaker 1: How did you guys get here? Because I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how I got here.
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  Speaker 3: It's you looking around and everybody going, everybody probably lied. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure somebody else could relate. I don't think so.
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  Speaker 3: We save this all the time. I just did a
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  Speaker 3: piece of content the other day. We did the Radio Shack.
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  Speaker 3: The CEO that lied on his resume and made it
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  Speaker 3: all the way to the CEO. And he was actually
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  Speaker 3: crushing it as a CEO. And, you know, got a
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  Speaker 3: couple DUIs. Somebody started investigating him. Boom. You know, he
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  Speaker 3: loses his job over, you know. He probably wouldn't have
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  Speaker 3: gotten the job, to be honest, because, you know, everybody
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  Speaker 3: would have said, well, he doesn't have a degree. But
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  Speaker 3: he was given opportunity and he worked his way up.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I hate that. I just wanted to. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you mentioned Yahoo.
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  Speaker 2: Like, what do they do when they're presented with something
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  Speaker 2: and it's not in their wheelhouse? They don't know what
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  Speaker 2: to do or how to do it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Chat GPT? I guess. Yeah.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: I guess.
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  Speaker 3: What do we do it? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that story sounds kind of similar to Kyrie's.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it does. Oh, yeah. All right. Tell me about it, Kyrie.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: So this one isn't from Reddit. This is actually a
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  Speaker 2: real news story.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: One of the best examples of resume fraud I've ever heard.
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  Speaker 2: So Marilee Jones was the dean of admissions at MIT,
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  Speaker 2: not a dean at some regional school, the MIT. She
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  Speaker 2: was genuinely famous in her field, the kind of person
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  Speaker 2: who got quoted in the New York Times by first name.
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  Speaker 2: She co-wrote a book telling high schoolers to stop padding
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  Speaker 2: their resumes, relax, and just be authentic. She gave commencement
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  Speaker 2: speeches about honesty. She was, for all intents and purposes,
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  Speaker 2: the face of academic integrity in college admissions. She had
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  Speaker 2: been at MIT for 28 years when in 2007, someone
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  Speaker 2: sent in an anonymous tip suggesting that they take a
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  Speaker 2: closer look at her credentials.
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  Speaker 3: Their sister.
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  Speaker 2: So they did.
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  Speaker 3: So they did.
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  Speaker 2: Marilee Jones had listed degrees from three different schools on
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  Speaker 2: her original 1979 application. She had attended one of them
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  Speaker 2: briefly and had not graduated. The other two she had
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  Speaker 2: never enrolled in at all, not for a single day.
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  Speaker 2: She didn't have one legitimate degree on her resume, not one.
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  Speaker 2: MIT confronted her and she resigned within 48 hours. 28
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  Speaker 2: years at one of the most prestigious institutions in the world,
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  Speaker 2: a career built entirely on credentials she made up in
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  Speaker 2: 1979 and never bothered to update. The most cited admissions
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  Speaker 2: dean in the country. The woman who built a career
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  Speaker 2: telling kids to stop lying on their applications.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: I want to know why it took the one person
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  Speaker 1: 28 years to send in the anonymous thing. Like. It's
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  Speaker 1: been this long. I want her to go down now.
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  Speaker 3: I admire.
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  Speaker 2: That's a long time to hate on someone.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Supply.
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  Speaker 1: To play on a downfall for that long? That's kind
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  Speaker 1: of crazy.
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  Speaker 3: What's crazy, when I was listening to that, she was
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  Speaker 3: projecting the whole time. You know she feels like it's
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  Speaker 3: deep in you that you're just an utter liar to
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  Speaker 3: get here. So then you become... the mouthpiece for integrity
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: you know and i could only think that that that's
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  Speaker 3: done in a way to try to like direct people
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  Speaker 3: away don't look at me if i'm talking about do
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: all these things do it this way yeah it's got
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  Speaker 3: to be like because um you know i don't want
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  Speaker 3: you to look at me so you're just like super.
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  Speaker 1: Projecting and yeah another thing i wonder is if she
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  Speaker 1: was working at this esteemed like institution why didn't they
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  Speaker 1: double check triple check her credentials too don't like I
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  Speaker 1: feel like they I feel like they should have done.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: That that's a great point but I mean yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I was just about to say yeah I mean it's
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: been a long time I guess that I mean I
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: mean people have been lying for however long so I
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: feel like I feel like just because it was 28
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  Speaker 5: years ago doesn't mean she's just as trustworthy as she
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  Speaker 5: was but whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Just imagine she's like disciplining someone, committed fraud on their resume.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: She's like, how dare you yes.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: How dare you you know did you even read my
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: book i didn't here's the thought
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Here's the copy let me sign it for you read
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  Speaker 3: my book