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338: Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill: Heal Hive: Creating a Community Where Healing Thrives · Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD

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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I'm your host, Dr. Jill and with each episode we dive into the heart of healing and personal transformation.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Join me as I interview medical experts, world leaders, innovators of all types helping you on your journey to optimal health and healing.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Today we're going to hear from Nicole Fox.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: She's been a friend, a conference organizer, done so many roles in our functional integrative world and now she sharing with us the new book that she just wrote with her friends and this book talks about sisterhood, talks about really being in community with other women.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: You are going to love this episode and I'll introduce her in just a moment.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Again, you can find that@drjillhealth.com okay, I want to introduce our guest, Nicole Fox.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: She's the founder and CEO of Integrative Medicine Consulting Group where she helps Physicians and medical practice successfully integrate integrative and functional medicine, lifestyle and integrative medicine into their practices.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: She has more than 20 years of experience in the field and worked with hundreds of physicians national wide, collaborated with Jeff BL and many other providers.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But today we're talking about her new book about the bee sisterhood.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So let's join Dr. Nicole actually, I'm sorry, let's join Nicole Fox for the BE Sisterhood.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Here she is.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Let's welcome Nicole.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Nicole, I am so excited for this episode.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: We talked just briefly before coming on, but even though people might wonder that this isn't the exact normal kinds of guest and topic that we talk about, you and I agree that the future of medicine, healing and community is the kinds of things we're going to talk about today with your new book.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I'm so excited.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: He'll hide.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I have agreements, right?
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  Nicole Fox: Yeah.
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  Nicole Fox: Yes.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So I am so excited to dive into your book and the topic and I always love to set the stage in.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Often we get insights, inspirations from various sources and then it kind of comes together.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I know my book was that way.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: How did this come about with your co authors and the hive Agreements tell us a little bit about the backstory.
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  Nicole Fox: Yeah, well, and first off, thanks for having me.
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  Nicole Fox: It's just so fun to be on this with you.
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  Nicole Fox: So thanks for inviting me.
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  Nicole Fox: So yeah, we, me and three of my dear sisters, we met at a retreat about four and a half years ago.
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  Nicole Fox: And the retreat was a, just a intentional retreat to go and do some like deep healing work, really self discovery, transformation work.
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  Nicole Fox: And were in the middle of this event.
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  Nicole Fox: I didn't know any of them.
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  Nicole Fox: We had all met for the first time and there was a certain like process they were taking us through.
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  Nicole Fox: And I don't know if I remember exactly what the process was, but I was sitting there in the room and I just like had like this deep stomach pain.
• 4:28
  Nicole Fox: Like I was just feeling a lot of like harsh energy.
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  Nicole Fox: It was kind of in my solar plexus and I was sitting there, I was just kind of like breathing, trying to like move it.
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  Nicole Fox: And this woman walks up to me and she's like, can I put my hands on your back?
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  Nicole Fox: And there was, it was a co.
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  Nicole Fox: There was men and women there, but it was just like a very loving space.
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  Nicole Fox: So, you know, I felt very safe.
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  Nicole Fox: And so I was like, sure.
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  Nicole Fox: So she puts her hand on my back and she just was like comforting me.
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  Nicole Fox: And next thing I know, all the women in the retreat, one by one, start Walking up to us and.
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  Nicole Fox: And everyone kind of like, just put their hands one of another.
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  Nicole Fox: And I don't know if you ever saw the movie Avatar, but there's a place where they're all kind of like turning into a web.
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  Nicole Fox: Well, it was kind of that.
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  Nicole Fox: And then all of a sudden, one of the women in, like, the group, she started to hum.
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  Nicole Fox: She kind of starts buzzing, like a.
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  Nicole Fox: Just a light buzz.
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  Nicole Fox: And all of us start buzzing.
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  Nicole Fox: And it was like the weirdest thing.
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  Nicole Fox: And then all of a sudden, we all started laughing because it was like, what are we doing?
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  Nicole Fox: Oh.
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  Nicole Fox: And at the time, you know, were just kind of laughing, thinking, like, gosh, this is kind of random.
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  Nicole Fox: But the thing that was, like, the most profound for me in that moment is what I noticed was like, that deep pain, like, that experience that I was experienced.
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  Nicole Fox: It was like the vibration of the hum, it actually moved the energy out of my stomach.
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  Nicole Fox: And I just.
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  Nicole Fox: I felt like, the release.
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  Nicole Fox: It felt like this pain that I just been holding onto for a very long time.
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  Nicole Fox: And it actually took many years to integrate that experience.
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  Nicole Fox: But it was through that four of us became really dear friends.
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  Nicole Fox: And then we.
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  Nicole Fox: Together, we felt like there was a gift given to us that we now call the BE Sisterhood.
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  Nicole Fox: And we originally started just, like, creating these agreements that we now live by with each other, which there was no intention to start a business or to write a book.
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  Nicole Fox: We just wanted to, like, really consciously begin a true sisterhood and a safety, I guess, like a container full of safety so that we could really go deep with one another.
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  Nicole Fox: And.
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  Nicole Fox: And then it was such a profound experience that one day we've decided, like, we need to share this with.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Share this.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Oh, wow.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I love that it comes from such a beautiful, personal story.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I feel like the divine is always working.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And often those things do come in the moments that we're paying attention when we're just living and we get this gift.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And this gift is our own connection, our own healing.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I know in my own journey of healing from various things and the people in my life and the stories and all of that, it's always like we experience this incredible thing, and then that gift is given, and then the call is, can we share that with the world?
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And you've done that, and you've just described the exact path, I think, that many of us go through.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But how cool that it was in community, that it was this.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I just love the buzzing and all of that.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And we know, like, from science, even if we bring in the science, like humming and buzzing.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: You know, you can talk more about that too.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But how cool is that and how amazing what's come out of that and that you had this experience with the sisters, you know, your sisterhood.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So I think I want to start with what you mentioned, which is in the beginning of this book.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I have a copy.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Thank you.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: There's a special prayer do you want to share to set the tone a little bit about?
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Just share that with us.
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  Nicole Fox: Yeah.
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  Nicole Fox: Yeah.
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  Nicole Fox: Thank you.
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  Nicole Fox: So we have studied the bees since this has happened.
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  Nicole Fox: So were never any beat experts, nor do we claim to be now.
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  Nicole Fox: But through the process, in studying the bees, we kind of looked at, like, the queen bee versus, like, the hive as a tool as a whole.
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  Nicole Fox: And one of the things we've really learned is, like, they are in service to the queen.
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  Nicole Fox: And for us, as we wrote the book, it felt really important to start it with a prayer, because to us, we're.
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  Nicole Fox: We're representing the queen as, like, the divine.
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  Nicole Fox: And so that's how we relate to the queen bee.
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  Nicole Fox: So this is the introduction to the way of the hive.
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  Nicole Fox: This is our prayer.
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  Nicole Fox: No more do we choose me or you.
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  Nicole Fox: We choose me and you.
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  Nicole Fox: We are, we are for you.
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  Nicole Fox: We are you.
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  Nicole Fox: We take up our space.
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  Nicole Fox: We build each other up.
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  Nicole Fox: We already belong.
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  Nicole Fox: We choose community.
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  Nicole Fox: We stand together.
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  Nicole Fox: We create together.
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  Nicole Fox: We cross pollinate.
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  Nicole Fox: We choose more than enough.
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  Nicole Fox: We honor our own guidance.
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  Nicole Fox: We choose sisterhood, sacred belonging, and sustainability.
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  Nicole Fox: We choose the way of the hive.
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  Nicole Fox: No more do we choose one way or another.
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  Nicole Fox: We choose one way and another.
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  Nicole Fox: We choose harmony.
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  Nicole Fox: This is a global reset.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Oh, I love it.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And again, anyone out there listening knows that our world is changing and people are more lonely than ever.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I think the biggest factor on illness is really loneliness.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: There's nothing bigger that impacts us.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So this concept of community, of sisterhood, and it could be sisterhood, brotherhood, community in many ways, but obviously starting with our female friends and our sisters and our colleagues.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So many years there's been competition and tearing each other down and all the things that we don't want.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And today we're talking about we do want.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And you've always lived that.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I mean, I see your light and the way you go, and I hope that I am the same.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But it's like we know that the more we are just loving one another and having that community, the more that we all benefit.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Right?
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: There's no competition.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I really love that because historically, women can be pretty catty.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So how beautiful.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So you started to love the story we just heard the intro to the book talk about, there's five agreements.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Right?
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Is that right?
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: The center.
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  Nicole Fox: There's actually six agreements.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Are six.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Six.
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  Nicole Fox: Yeah.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yeah, let's talk about those a little bit.
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  Nicole Fox: Yeah, absolutely.
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  Nicole Fox: And the thing that's really great about them also, just to let you know, it just really goes into some of the stuff that you were just talking about also.
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  Nicole Fox: You know, obviously, as women, we have, you know, we've all been trained and to kind of experience a certain way of how we relate with one another.
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  Nicole Fox: And so through this process, we have really, like, dove into that and saw, like, what would happen if we as women around the world came together and chose to live by these agreements.
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  Nicole Fox: Like, not just what it would do for us personally, but, like, how could it actually shift the consciousness of the planet?
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  Nicole Fox: And so that's where these hype agreements came from.
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  Nicole Fox: So do you want me just to go through them, really?
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I would love to.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And before we do, too, you mentioned your story in that group and what happened.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Is there any deeper personal Nicole story that goes along with this as far as maybe that transformation from that moment till you wrote the book?
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I feel like story is so key.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Before we jump into those agreements, is there any other piece for you personally where you were like, this is so important to share with the world, not just your pain and that experience, but since that moment till you wrote the book?
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  Nicole Fox: Yeah, I think that, like, my whole life, I've just really always.
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  Nicole Fox: I mean, I just, you know, I came from a broken family.
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  Nicole Fox: I. I, you know, I was just a normal teenage girl growing up, but I think that there was just a lot of experiences in my life where I just always felt like I didn't fit in, or I felt like I was broken, or there was something wrong with me.
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  Nicole Fox: And so I was.
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  Nicole Fox: I think that's actually been a blessing for me because I believe that's what's kind of helped me to, like, step into this transformational work and to, like, really dive into healing.
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  Nicole Fox: But there's this idea, like, I didn't belong or, like, I was broken.
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  Nicole Fox: And so I think through this, those are some of the agreements that we have actually created.
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  Nicole Fox: Is like, one, we all belong.
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  Nicole Fox: No matter what.
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  Nicole Fox: How whoever you are, we all belong.
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  Nicole Fox: And that we are all sacred and whole.
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  Nicole Fox: Like, we are all come from the divine and whatever that means to you, there is no mistake inside of that.
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  Nicole Fox: And if we can just choose to believe that one thing, like, if we're not broken, then what is available to us, and then the Other one is that we all belong.
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  Nicole Fox: So if I know I belong, it doesn't mean that I need to fit in.
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  Nicole Fox: I can actually fit out, you know, so I can be, like, my unique expression of who I am, and that is exactly who I meant to be.
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  Nicole Fox: And that's exactly what the hive needs.
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  Nicole Fox: That's what the world needs.
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  Nicole Fox: And, like, through that diversity, it's actually supporting.
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  Nicole Fox: It's like, the answer is also part of the question.
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  Nicole Fox: It's what we need is also part, you know, as part of the gift.
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  Nicole Fox: And so I think, to answer your question, is a lot of these agreements that we've moved into, it's been my own transformation, because I didn't actually believe it myself.
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  Nicole Fox: And then what I realized is that a lot of these areas that we've gone into, it actually is a choice.
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  Nicole Fox: Like, we can choose to fit in, or we can choose to believe that we don't fit in.
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  Nicole Fox: It's all a choice.
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  Nicole Fox: And so just in realizing that it's that powerful, that I can just choose to believe that I belong, that just in that alone can create the transformation.
• 13:31
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Wow.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I just want to pause there for a moment.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I want to go on to the six.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I know people are anxiously waiting, but I feel like this is so important, because what you've just expressed is common human suffering, like the things it make in your book makes a striking assertion that there's nothing a woman needs to do now to belong.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Right?
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And we've all led to believe we have to perform and we have to be conscientious, and we have to, you know, love and serve, and especially as those of us who are healers, there's this idea that my value comes from what I do, not just being.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I really love that we've started here because this need, what happens is we in isolation, as you described as a child.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: We believe that we're the only ones that doesn't belong.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Right.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: That doesn't fit in and back in.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I don't know how junior high was for you, and I was not, like, you know, an outcast, but I also felt like I didn't belong.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And it's so weird that most young women don't feel like they don't belong.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So this is super common, not just unique to you and me, Nicole.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Right?
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And so as you write this book and share this message, and even adults, you know, at my age, there's still times when I'm like, I remember walking into certain groups or conferences where I'm like, oh, do I fit in?
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Do I Belong.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I feel so weird.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So I really love that you're addressing that.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Why is this deep human need for belonging so sacred?
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And why did you start there?
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Because I think there couldn't be a more important place to start.
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  Nicole Fox: Well, I think that if we don't believe we belong, then we're not going to let down our walls and let other.
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  Nicole Fox: And it's interesting what you were saying about, you know, being a teenager.
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  Nicole Fox: I've, you know, this book launched in May of this year and the biggest feedback that I have gotten from adult women is just how they have felt like they were not lovable and that they felt like they are broken.
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  Nicole Fox: And so just in the very first agreement which we say is that we are all sacred and whole.
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  Nicole Fox: Like, just believing that can completely make people feel like if I'm sacred and whole, then that can mean that I, I belong.
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  Nicole Fox: I am lovable.
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  Nicole Fox: And, and it's like we get to start our own journey into self love.
• 15:40
  Nicole Fox: And the thing, Dr. Jill, that's been like so profound inside of this experience with these other three women is that the work that we've done together, I couldn't do it in a corner by myself.
• 15:51
  Nicole Fox: And that was the problem is like I was feeling like if I could just get this done, then I'll belong or if I can just achieve this one thing, then I feel like I can be everything I need to be in the world.
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  Nicole Fox: And what I realized was, is that the work that were doing together was like in the sacred witnessing, in the vulnerability, in the trusting of one another.
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  Nicole Fox: That's where the real healing came.
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  Nicole Fox: It was like I was trying it one way and I wasn't getting anywhere.
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  Nicole Fox: And then all of a sudden, like this deep transformation was happening.
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  Nicole Fox: But it was because of the safety that were all like agreeing to.
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  Nicole Fox: It's like, no matter what you can bring the good, bad and ugly, you don't have to change anything.
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  Nicole Fox: And no matter what, we're choosing to be in relationship with each other and accept all of it without having to change anything.
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  Nicole Fox: And then from on a deeper level, as were exploring this, were like, gosh, this is like what the world needs.
• 16:49
  Nicole Fox: Like, instead of us trying to convince each other that we need to change, to belong or to be accepted, why don't we agree to just live in harmony?
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  Nicole Fox: Harmony does not mean that we have to agree.
• 17:04
  Nicole Fox: Harmony means that we can both coexist and they can both be okay.
• 17:08
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Hey guys.
• 17:09
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• 17:19
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• 17:27
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• 17:29
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• 17:35
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• 17:42
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• 17:43
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• 17:47
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So profound.
• 17:47
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Like I said, I think this is important to pause for a moment because it's so important.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: One thing that comes to mind that we see all over social media is this polished fake AI versions of women that really aren't real at all.
• 18:01
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And then the climbing of younger, older, every type of women to try to be what they're supposed to be and actually abandoning themselves.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: What do you think happens to a woman who spends decades shape shifting to try to belong?
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Like, how does that harm the soul of a woman?
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  Nicole Fox: Well, I think what, I mean, we've all been there, right?
• 18:22
  Nicole Fox: So I can just speak to what it did for me because I've been there, done that and I think what it did is it made me stop trusting myself because it's like if you're not trusting who you are and what you represent and you're trying to change it, then anything you think or say, you're not actually going to believe yourself.
• 18:43
  Nicole Fox: Yeah, I don't know if that makes sense, but it's like it's.
• 18:47
  Nicole Fox: For me, what it was doing was, it was just like I wasn't able to like really trust that I knew the right answers for myself because I, there was something wrong with me that I needed to fix it and change it to be something different.
• 18:58
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Nicole, it makes perfect sense.
• 19:00
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I remember when writing my own book about my journey and healing and really understanding so I had to go back to my younger self and love her and accept her fully, just like we're talking about.
• 19:10
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Right.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So I actually did a lot of work around reparenting that 5 year old that felt unloved, unaccepted, all those things.
• 19:17
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But what I realized is your point right there so was so powerful because I could not re, love and heal my younger self until I trusted myself and I spent years kind of shutting down.
• 19:29
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: In fact, I believe that my cancer and Crohn's disease in my twenties in medical school was I was so good at shutting down, to dissociate from pain and suffering and all of this, to just go forward and drive and do the medical training and all that stuff.
• 19:44
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I really lost touch with my body.
• 19:46
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: You know, talk about even your first story there with the pain in your gut.
• 19:48
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: You were sitting there and actually feeling that.
• 19:50
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And that was the start of the healing and this whole incredible thing that turned into a book.
• 19:54
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But you had to actually feel the pain and not dissociate.
• 19:58
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Whereas for me, for years what I did is I practiced.
• 20:00
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I was really good.
• 20:01
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And when you say high pain tolerance, a lot of us women have that all that is really freaking good at dissociating from our own pain in our own body.
• 20:08
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But that healing is like.
• 20:10
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And so that trusting of yourself, you have to come back into your body and have a safe place of community where you can actually re.
• 20:16
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Feel some of the pains but actually be okay in that space and trust that your body's wise enough to give you that information.
• 20:23
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Now I don't want to take over the discussion.
• 20:25
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I want you to go on to the next agreement.
• 20:26
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But I think this is so relevant.
• 20:28
  Nicole Fox: Because that's, I just want to say like the joke about what you're just sharing is that we think like by us not going into the pain or acknowledging it, that we're hiding from it.
• 20:37
  Nicole Fox: But for me it's always running the show.
• 20:39
  Nicole Fox: Like it's always there.
• 20:41
  Nicole Fox: It's pretending like it doesn't exist or something.
• 20:44
  Nicole Fox: But the funny like the joke of it all is that it's always there.
• 20:48
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yeah.
• 20:49
  Nicole Fox: And so like when we actually allow ourselves just to be honest with whatever's going on internally, like then all of a sudden it can release, it can let go and then it's.
• 20:58
  Nicole Fox: We're more free.
• 20:59
  Nicole Fox: So I totally hear what you're saying,.
• 21:01
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But I just, I had this total crazy image of like, you know, like a eight year old boy who's at the window, he's like making faces to his friend or whatever and, and they're just ignoring.
• 21:13
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And this gets louder and louder.
• 21:15
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: It's like our body is like kind of like the boy or a little girl like hello.
• 21:20
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I. Hello.
• 21:21
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: You know, like this kind of.
• 21:23
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Are you listening?
• 21:24
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I might hear because I look medical training, I was just driven and I was ignoring the pain and totally dissociated.
• 21:30
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And my body was like, if we can't get your attention, we might manifest as breast cancer.
• 21:35
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And again, there was more to it.
• 21:36
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Than that.
• 21:37
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But there's a big freaking piece of my cancer that was my body trying to get my attention, right?
• 21:43
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Screaming out like the boy at the window.
• 21:45
  Nicole Fox: Well, it's amazing.
• 21:46
  Nicole Fox: So I don't know if you know this, but I got my master's in spiritual psychology and it was a two year program.
• 21:53
  Nicole Fox: It was amazing.
• 21:55
  Nicole Fox: But it's actually one of the things that really got me involved in this integrative world was because I was like, oh, my gosh, this is the missing piece.
• 22:03
  Nicole Fox: Like, this is the part where practitioners are not going into.
• 22:06
  Nicole Fox: And it's like, how is disease being brought on by our thoughts or by our trauma?
• 22:10
  Nicole Fox: And it's the one place nobody goes.
• 22:12
  Nicole Fox: I mean, some people do, but it's not generally practiced.
• 22:16
  Nicole Fox: So.
• 22:17
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Wow.
• 22:17
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And again, you've had experience.
• 22:19
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Like, a lot of our interactions have been your organization of some of the best conferences in the world and all the cool things that you've done.
• 22:25
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So it's been really fun to know you there.
• 22:27
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And now this part, like I said, I. I was like, you have to be on the podcast.
• 22:30
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So we talked about one agreement.
• 22:31
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Do you want to start going into some of the other ones?
• 22:33
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Because I think each one we can kind of dive into.
• 22:35
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: These are so good.
• 22:36
  Nicole Fox: Absolutely.
• 22:37
  Nicole Fox: So I'll just start with the first one.
• 22:39
  Nicole Fox: So I'm just going to read it because we have a little tagline and I just don't want to mess it up since I'm on live.
• 22:44
  Nicole Fox: Okay.
• 22:44
  Nicole Fox: So number one is we are sacred and whole.
• 22:46
  Nicole Fox: We do not see each other small.
• 22:49
  Nicole Fox: We see each other as whole.
• 22:50
  Nicole Fox: We hold each other in our highest possibility, even if it doesn't look that way.
• 22:56
  Nicole Fox: Number two is we all belong.
• 22:58
  Nicole Fox: We accept and love all of you.
• 23:01
  Nicole Fox: This is a place where we know each other.
• 23:03
  Nicole Fox: Or, excuse me, this is a place where we know each of us already belongs just as we are.
• 23:07
  Nicole Fox: There's nothing we need to do.
• 23:10
  Nicole Fox: Number three, we honor ourselves and each other.
• 23:14
  Nicole Fox: We believe that all women have a divine guidance system, and we honor how it expresses itself.
• 23:20
  Nicole Fox: We do not try to fix each other.
• 23:21
  Nicole Fox: We do not gossip, and we take up our space.
• 23:26
  Nicole Fox: Number four, we learn from each other.
• 23:29
  Nicole Fox: We get to own, love and accept all aspects of ourselves.
• 23:32
  Nicole Fox: In what we see reflected in each of our hive sisters, welcome all of each other.
• 23:37
  Nicole Fox: The light as well as the shadow.
• 23:40
  Nicole Fox: Number five, we live sustainably.
• 23:43
  Nicole Fox: We choose to live in harmony with ourselves, then with others and our world.
• 23:47
  Nicole Fox: We no longer create from depletion.
• 23:50
  Nicole Fox: We trust ourselves to know what is and is not ours to do.
• 23:54
  Nicole Fox: And Then number six is we are stronger together.
• 23:57
  Nicole Fox: We do not do things alone.
• 23:59
  Nicole Fox: No be left behind.
• 24:00
  Nicole Fox: We hold your dreams and stories as sacred.
• 24:03
  Nicole Fox: We see your desires magnetizing to you.
• 24:05
  Nicole Fox: Right now we are meant to cross pollinate.
• 24:09
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Oh, such good stuff there.
• 24:11
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Okay, so we've got a lot to talk about.
• 24:13
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But one thing that stood out to me that I really love.
• 24:17
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I grew up in a very small town in farm country in Illinois.
• 24:20
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And the beauty of that was they knew community.
• 24:23
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Anyone was sick or there was a death in the family or whatever happened, people were over there with meals and they were, you know, taking care of one another.
• 24:29
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So what they did do, right, was there was so much support community.
• 24:34
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And in that way, they were in each other's business.
• 24:37
  Nicole Fox: Right?
• 24:37
  Nicole Fox: Yeah.
• 24:38
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So on this other side here, the thing that why I left that area and one reason I always never.
• 24:43
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: There was one piece I didn't love, and that was the gossip.
• 24:46
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And it was often paved or coded in a way that was like, oh, this is a prayer request or something.
• 24:52
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Right.
• 24:52
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But then someone called the neighbor and they'd go.
• 24:55
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And it was stuff that was really painful, private, hurtful, and I never like that.
• 25:01
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I noticed in one of your agreements, we will not gossip.
• 25:04
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I actually really love that word is in there because it's kind of an old word.
• 25:08
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: We don't talk a lot about that.
• 25:09
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And we can clothe it in that community.
• 25:11
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: It was a faith community.
• 25:12
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So it was like, let's prayer request kind of thing, which they meant well.
• 25:16
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Right.
• 25:16
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But I never liked, like, wait, you're talking about someone.
• 25:19
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Do you have the permission to share that?
• 25:20
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Because, like, medically the same as if I talked about a patient, I would never, ever share anything someone told me in confidence.
• 25:25
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So that gossip thing can be really harmful and hurtful to people.
• 25:31
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And then I want to talk about right next to it, which was, we can take up space.
• 25:36
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: How powerful is that?
• 25:37
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Because we're all so often, like, shrunken, small, because we're taught.
• 25:41
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Again, my community growing up was women are, you know, more.
• 25:44
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: They're serving and they're helping and they're loving, but we're not supposed to be allowed and necessary leaders and all of that.
• 25:49
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So let's talk about those two things.
• 25:51
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: How does that work into this?
• 25:52
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And how powerful is that you're taking a stand against gossip and giving a woman permission to take up space?
• 26:00
  Nicole Fox: Well, there's two things.
• 26:01
  Nicole Fox: So the first thing is it's like kind of what were talking about earlier is like how were taught as young women to compete with one another.
• 26:07
  Nicole Fox: And like, I feel like it all is kind of in the same energetic.
• 26:11
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yes.
• 26:11
  Nicole Fox: And so what were very clear we needed to do for ourselves and for one another was to create the sacred container.
• 26:19
  Nicole Fox: And so it had to be dealt with.
• 26:20
  Nicole Fox: Like, there is the sister wound.
• 26:22
  Nicole Fox: We, we had it, A lot of us have experienced it.
• 26:24
  Nicole Fox: And so it was just very clear, like, that we do not tolerate gossip.
• 26:28
  Nicole Fox: And if it happens, like, we don't engage in it.
• 26:31
  Nicole Fox: It's not supportive and it's not part of where we want, who we want to be in the world or where we're headed.
• 26:36
  Nicole Fox: There's just no space for it.
• 26:38
  Nicole Fox: And so I think, like, we just were aware and it's like you could read this book and say, like, these are very simple concepts.
• 26:47
  Nicole Fox: They are very simple concepts, but they're also very profound that if we all practice it, like, it can make a big difference.
• 26:53
  Nicole Fox: And to even acknowledge, like, where are we gossiping?
• 26:56
  Nicole Fox: Where are we speaking, you know, hurtful about another or sharing something that is not ours to share.
• 27:02
  Nicole Fox: So it just felt like an important part to create that safety so that we felt safe to go deeper with one another.
• 27:09
  Nicole Fox: And since there was four of us, you know, I've never been in a group of four women where they've never talked about another sister, you know, or another friend.
• 27:17
  Nicole Fox: And so it just isn't tolerated.
• 27:19
  Nicole Fox: So we all feel really safe.
• 27:22
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So that's really the core, isn't it?
• 27:24
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Because what you're doing, it's again, it's very similar to my medical encounters with a patient.
• 27:28
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: When they share, they know there is no way unless I'm subpoenaed by a judge or something.
• 27:34
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But otherwise, there's no way that I will ever share that sacred information.
• 27:39
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So there's a place where I will hear things that they have never told anyone else because.
• 27:44
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So you're creating that same, almost like, you know, medical HIPAA compliance, but it's a much more beaut way.
• 27:50
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And talk about, in your experience or maybe with these women, how many women that you know of, not only in your intimate group, but as you've gone in the world with this, have sister, mother wounds like this that have cause or friends.
• 28:02
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Right.
• 28:02
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: It can be any sort of woman relationship, but how often are you having these, that we have to heal these old wounds?
• 28:10
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Right.
• 28:11
  Nicole Fox: There's no woman that I have come across, and clearly through this work, we talk to a lot of that doesn't have a sister wound at some level.
• 28:19
  Nicole Fox: And it could be through the mother, through a family member, or just another woman, but it exists.
• 28:24
  Nicole Fox: And part of it is because.
• 28:26
  Nicole Fox: And I think this is really important that I would love to share, but one of the key agreements that we have, which is agreement number four, is that we learn from each other.
• 28:35
  Nicole Fox: And so what I think in the past has happened is that we have sized ourselves up by comparing ourselves to other women in the world.
• 28:44
  Nicole Fox: So if you're really this amazing, powerful woman, maybe that's been.
• 28:49
  Nicole Fox: That makes me feel intimidated.
• 28:51
  Nicole Fox: Right.
• 28:52
  Nicole Fox: And instead, we're re.
• 28:53
  Nicole Fox: We're shifting.
• 28:54
  Nicole Fox: The way we.
• 28:55
  Nicole Fox: We talk about this is that we as women are each other's mirrors.
• 28:59
  Nicole Fox: So, doctor, I can look at you and be like, wow, she is such a powerful creator.
• 29:05
  Nicole Fox: Look at all the amazing things she's doing in the world.
• 29:07
  Nicole Fox: And I can, like, acknowledge all of the things that you're doing.
• 29:10
  Nicole Fox: Right.
• 29:11
  Nicole Fox: Instead of making it like, you're big and I'm small, what I can do is say, okay, if Jill is showing me how courageous and powerful and beautiful a woman can be, then I get to own that inside of myself.
• 29:27
  Nicole Fox: And so when I see someone that I think owns something that I don't have, I get to stop and pause and be like, I am powerful.
• 29:34
  Nicole Fox: I am beautiful.
• 29:35
  Nicole Fox: I am courageous.
• 29:37
  Nicole Fox: Thank you, Dr. Jill, for being that reflection for me so that I can own those qualities inside of myself.
• 29:43
  Nicole Fox: So now I don't have.
• 29:44
  Nicole Fox: Have to, like, compare myself.
• 29:46
  Nicole Fox: I get to actually rise up with you.
• 29:49
  Nicole Fox: And I think that's, like, when we've been hearing about the rise of the feminine, to me, I feel like that's what it is.
• 29:56
  Nicole Fox: It's like we all get to build each other up.
• 29:58
  Nicole Fox: We all get to rise, and we get to celebrate how magnificent we are, and then imagine what magic and beauty and, like, who knows what can be created from that type of space of women in relationship with one another, just even random strangers.
• 30:14
  Nicole Fox: Yeah.
• 30:15
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yeah.
• 30:16
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Wow.
• 30:17
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I love that framework so much.
• 30:20
  Nicole Fox: Can I say one more thing about it that feels really important?
• 30:24
  Nicole Fox: It goes for the negative also.
• 30:26
  Nicole Fox: So let's say I see a woman, and I see her as judgy, or she's being awful to her husband, or, you know, like, the places where we go into that.
• 30:36
  Nicole Fox: That other energetic it.
• 30:38
  Nicole Fox: She gets to be my mirror for that, too.
• 30:40
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yes.
• 30:41
  Nicole Fox: Where am I treating my husband awfully?
• 30:44
  Nicole Fox: Where am I being judgmental in the world?
• 30:46
  Nicole Fox: Like, it.
• 30:47
  Nicole Fox: It works on both ways.
• 30:49
  Nicole Fox: And so, again, if I really want to rise and be the most, like, loving, powerful woman on this planet, then I get to look at both.
• 30:57
  Nicole Fox: And if someone is showing me that, I get to look inside myself and see where am I being?
• 31:02
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Oh, I love that so much.
• 31:04
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I love that you said, wait, there's more.
• 31:06
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Because there.
• 31:07
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: This is maybe the more important part.
• 31:09
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Or at as important as the pot, like, so good.
• 31:11
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I recently interviewed Dr. Demartini, who's this incredible teacher, and he took a woman through this wasn't on my show, but on another podcast I'd watched of him.
• 31:19
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: He took a woman who was upset at a betrayal of another woman.
• 31:24
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And she had shared this woman incompetence about an affair.
• 31:29
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And the woman told her husband and it broke up the marriage, ended up being beautiful for her in the end.
• 31:34
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But Dr. Dean Martini started with, what do you see in this woman that you're afraid of or that you don't like?
• 31:41
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And it's this betrayal, right?
• 31:42
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And then he said right to her, where have you betrayed?
• 31:45
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: You know, like, where have you?
• 31:46
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And it was so interesting to me.
• 31:48
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I just was blown away because she, not too long into that, came up with a very clear where she saw herself in that light.
• 31:55
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And they said, okay, give me another example.
• 31:57
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I'm like, oh, my gosh, two.
• 31:58
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And then he said, give me another.
• 31:59
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: He went on to like 6, 7, 8.
• 32:02
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And he's like, okay, we could be here forever.
• 32:04
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But you see, what I'm trying to say is you are actually reacting to a hidden dark spot in yourself that you are not acknowledging that you are actually the reason why you're so perturbed by her behaviors, because you have that in yourself.
• 32:19
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And it made me really think about, okay, where am I getting like, oh, I don't like that person who's judgy.
• 32:23
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I'm like, oh, where am I judging, right?
• 32:25
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Or that person, like, whatever kind of thing.
• 32:28
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And so it shifted exactly what you're saying.
• 32:30
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And it's hard, right, because it's like when we're really irritated by someone and usually we believe that we're irritated because, well, I'm not like that, right?
• 32:40
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I'm not dishonest, I'm not judgy, Whatever thing we could come up with.
• 32:44
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But then when you flip it like he did with this woman, and by the end he had her, like, thanking that woman because the way her behavior brought to light this thing, and then now she's been with her daughter, like, all the things that came from that really horrible situation transformed her life completely.
• 33:01
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And she's in a much better spot.
• 33:02
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And by the end, she's like, I need to Go tell this woman thank you.
• 33:06
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I love that because.
• 33:07
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So.
• 33:07
  Nicole Fox: Yeah, really.
• 33:08
  Nicole Fox: And it gives us an opportunity to forgive ourselves and have some compassion for ourselves and for others.
• 33:14
  Nicole Fox: Because then we're like, oh, wait, I. I have that too.
• 33:17
  Nicole Fox: Like, let me give that love.
• 33:20
  Nicole Fox: Or that might.
• 33:20
  Nicole Fox: It might show something that we don't want to look at, right?
• 33:23
  Nicole Fox: Where we don't like that piece of ourselves.
• 33:25
  Nicole Fox: And it's like, those places need love too, so.
• 33:28
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Exactly.
• 33:29
  Nicole Fox: Deep work.
• 33:30
  Nicole Fox: And it is.
• 33:31
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: It's like.
• 33:31
  Nicole Fox: And like I said, I can't do it by myself.
• 33:34
  Nicole Fox: Like, if there's something I can't see inside of myself and another woman is showing it to me, I'm so grateful that she's showing it to me because I might not have never seen it without her.
• 33:44
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Oh, so powerful.
• 33:45
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I really love that piece.
• 33:48
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: One thing you do in this community and what you're sharing in the book is, you know, how to be really, how to be in community, how to retrain women to really be in that place.
• 33:56
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: One thing I think is important is so often when we're in these intimate groups and starting to go deep, we're sharing deep pains and deep hurt and deep sufferings and deep shame points and all the stuff that we don't normally have the freedom to share.
• 34:08
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: How do you sit with a woman and not do what we often do, which is rescue, correct, or be like, oh, or share our story and override their story.
• 34:16
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: What are some principles where you can be with someone, create a container, let them be all their flawed, messy, beautiful self, but not step in to do a rescue or correct or judge or all the things that we typically do.
• 34:30
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Do you have any hints about how to address that?
• 34:32
  Nicole Fox: That.
• 34:32
  Nicole Fox: I love this question so much so I feel like this is where we go into the sacred belonging piece.
• 34:38
  Nicole Fox: And, you know, I'll just talk about the four of us because we've given each other permission to go there, of the work we're doing.
• 34:47
  Nicole Fox: But, you know, we all.
• 34:48
  Nicole Fox: We've gotten to know each other very well, and we can see each other's things, right?
• 34:53
  Nicole Fox: Where they're like, if you could just.
• 34:54
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Do this, especially when you're working on a book together, right?
• 34:58
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: It all comes out.
• 35:00
  Nicole Fox: But what we.
• 35:01
  Nicole Fox: But the thing that we started doing is we just listen, we don't give advice, and we believe that we each have a divine guidance system inside of us that has the answer.
• 35:13
  Nicole Fox: So I might think I have the answer for you, but, like, who am I to know what's right for you to do like, that's?
• 35:19
  Nicole Fox: Not my lane.
• 35:20
  Nicole Fox: That's your lane.
• 35:21
  Nicole Fox: And if I am trying to live my life for you and rescue all these people in my life like a.
• 35:28
  Nicole Fox: It's exhausting.
• 35:29
  Nicole Fox: But on top of it's like we're almost taking away the power and the beauty of believing that people have those answers inside of themselves.
• 35:39
  Nicole Fox: Do you know what I mean?
• 35:40
  Nicole Fox: So it's like, yes, I'm actually stealing and robbing something from you, that if I gave you the space to find it within yourself, it's going to be so much more profound and healing than if I, I were to give it to you, for you to get it for yourself.
• 35:56
  Nicole Fox: That's where, like it actually lands.
• 35:59
  Nicole Fox: So it might take a long time and we might have to learn to be patient with one another.
• 36:04
  Nicole Fox: But if we can believe that someone is going to get there's no rescuing.
• 36:09
  Nicole Fox: God's got a divine plan.
• 36:10
  Nicole Fox: Like, let's let it unfold and let's witness what happens inside of that.
• 36:15
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Oh, Nicole, once again, this is so powerful.
• 36:18
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Just today I was talking to a friend who is.
• 36:20
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: We're kind of the same.
• 36:21
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: We're, you know, always consulting.
• 36:23
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Whether it's like a healer, an acupuncturist or massage therapist or physical therapist or an intuitive or a psychic or a, you know, like all of these people that were like, oh, can you help me?
• 36:32
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Can you give me wisdom?
• 36:32
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I need to help here.
• 36:33
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And what were talking about and what I was sharing at this moment and she shared with me at other times is, sweetheart, you got everything you need inside of you.
• 36:41
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And right now you're seeking, seeking, grasping.
• 36:44
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I've been there.
• 36:44
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: That's the way I can see it, right?
• 36:46
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: You already have what you need.
• 36:48
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And if you just go to that place of quietness with the divine, like for me, God always gives me that wisdom, but I somehow think I need to outsource it.
• 36:57
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And, and not that we can't, like, listen to our friends.
• 36:59
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Because so often when I'm in crisis, I'm calling all my dear friends, I'm like, this is what's happening.
• 37:04
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: What do you think?
• 37:05
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And, and sometimes through your friends, the divine speaks too.
• 37:07
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So all of that is true.
• 37:09
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But I really love, because my nature is to go seeking to someone to validate, either validate me or give me the wisdom that I already have.
• 37:17
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And this, like, going back to the source and what I've done, like, non negotiable for me, is this morning time where I'm journaling and praying and I Always get downloads for the day there.
• 37:26
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And my best wisdom is there.
• 37:28
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Right.
• 37:28
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Communion with the divine.
• 37:30
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: How does that work with your agreements and just encouraging women to kind of find that sacred wisdom?
• 37:37
  Nicole Fox: Well, I think what you're saying is so profound because how many times does someone give you advice and then you feel like you have to do what they said.
• 37:43
  Nicole Fox: Right.
• 37:44
  Nicole Fox: But it doesn't actually feel in alignment with what you're feeling is right for you.
• 37:48
  Nicole Fox: And then it's like, are you trusting somebody else or are you trusting yourself?
• 37:53
  Nicole Fox: And so again, it's robbing you of.
• 37:58
  Nicole Fox: I mean, we've all been there.
• 37:59
  Nicole Fox: I've.
• 38:00
  Nicole Fox: We've all gone to the psychics.
• 38:02
  Nicole Fox: Yes.
• 38:04
  Nicole Fox: And all of it.
• 38:05
  Nicole Fox: But I feel the real healers on the planet are the ones that create the space for people to do their work and to heal themselves.
• 38:14
  Nicole Fox: Because if we become dependent one another, I, I don't actually believe that's where the healing happens.
• 38:20
  Nicole Fox: I could be wrong.
• 38:21
  Nicole Fox: But.
• 38:21
  Nicole Fox: And, and the other thing that you said that was really important was the conversations with friends.
• 38:26
  Nicole Fox: Sometimes just in the sharing and the reflection in the conversation is where we find our answers.
• 38:31
  Nicole Fox: So it's actually, that is a gift that our sisters and our friends, our family, will give to us to explore, because sometimes you don't have those thoughts.
• 38:41
  Nicole Fox: And then it's through the conversation or through the experience that the answers actually come to us.
• 38:45
  Nicole Fox: So it's in those relationships that we get the answers.
• 38:47
  Nicole Fox: But there still are answers.
• 38:49
  Nicole Fox: They come from us.
• 38:52
  Nicole Fox: So I don't know if I answered your question, but it feels important that we do believe and trust ourselves and learn to trust ourselves.
• 38:59
  Nicole Fox: Like that is part of the healing.
• 39:01
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Oh, it's so important.
• 39:03
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I think again, more than ever before, and especially with AI and all this information that we have, the one thing I cannot replicate is God's wisdom and intuition and these deep, profound kinds of things that are not illogical necessarily, which in my experience, sometimes the most profound knowing and understandings, they don't make sense logically.
• 39:25
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Right.
• 39:25
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I have to trust that even if it doesn't make sense, there's still a truth there.
• 39:30
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And that's.
• 39:31
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And that's part of the feminine.
• 39:32
  Nicole Fox: Right.
• 39:32
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: It's like this almost like I always say, it's more like you're.
• 39:35
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Your logic has a.
• 39:37
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: You know, you could write a paragraph and your intuitive.
• 39:40
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Might be an image or a feeling or a thought, and it's not always clear.
• 39:43
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: It might be kind of vague, but it can be just as powerful.
• 39:47
  Nicole Fox: Yeah.
• 39:48
  Nicole Fox: 100.
• 39:49
  Nicole Fox: And yeah, I, I do feel that just in the believing in ourselves and loving ourselves and trusting ourselves, like that alone can just be the healing.
• 39:58
  Nicole Fox: That is it.
• 39:59
  Nicole Fox: That is it.
• 40:00
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Right.
• 40:02
  Nicole Fox: And the self love, that's the other piece.
• 40:04
  Nicole Fox: Like really loving ourselves.
• 40:06
  Nicole Fox: And I, I don't know about you, but I've been on my own personal journey and it's, it is an onion layer and it's like we get to keep on going deeper and deeper, but there, I don't think there's anything more healing than us just really learning to just accept and love who we are.
• 40:20
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Could not agree more.
• 40:21
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Like, at the core, unconditional love is where it is at.
• 40:25
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So.
• 40:25
  Nicole Fox: And it's the hardest thing, right.
• 40:27
  Nicole Fox: For sometimes for us to get there with ourselves.
• 40:30
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yeah.
• 40:31
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So because of your book, you have probably studied bees to some extent because you're making this metaphor with the bees.
• 40:37
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Do you want to tell just a little bit about the pearls of the wisdom of the bees and maybe some of the things where you're like, oh, this is a very applicable lesson that we could learn from bees and the hive?
• 40:47
  Nicole Fox: Yeah.
• 40:48
  Nicole Fox: Thank you.
• 40:49
  Nicole Fox: So there's a few that are sticking out to me right now.
• 40:52
  Nicole Fox: Probably one of them is because I feel very.
• 40:55
  Nicole Fox: One of the things we really have been working on is sustainability.
• 40:58
  Nicole Fox: So, like, inside of our book, we have a sustainability quiz on our website too.
• 41:02
  Nicole Fox: But it looks at all the different areas in our life to see, like, where are we living in sustainability?
• 41:09
  Nicole Fox: And our definition of sustainability is just really living in harmony with ourselves, with others and the world.
• 41:16
  Nicole Fox: But when we look at the bees, it's amazing how much they rest.
• 41:21
  Nicole Fox: You know how you hear about, like, the busy bees, huh?
• 41:24
  Nicole Fox: Actually, not that busy.
• 41:27
  Nicole Fox: Actually, there's a lot of rest that happens.
• 41:31
  Nicole Fox: So that's one of the things that they are sustainable.
• 41:34
  Nicole Fox: The other thing I love about the bees is they have all these different types of bees that have different jobs.
• 41:41
  Nicole Fox: Right.
• 41:41
  Nicole Fox: Or different personalities.
• 41:43
  Nicole Fox: And there's no be trying.
• 41:46
  Nicole Fox: Like, there's not a worker bee trying to be like a protector bee or, you know, the drones.
• 41:53
  Nicole Fox: Like, they are who they are.
• 41:56
  Nicole Fox: And so one of the things we always say to each other is let it be via be.
• 41:59
  Nicole Fox: Like, let's not try to change who we are.
• 42:01
  Nicole Fox: Let's just be who we are.
• 42:02
  Nicole Fox: And it's so important that they each be does their job, because without it, there would not be the harmony inside of the hive.
• 42:11
  Nicole Fox: And so for us looking at our world, how we're all trying to morph or be something different, it's kind of interesting, like, how are we a disservice to our communities by doing that?
• 42:23
  Nicole Fox: So there's that.
• 42:23
  Nicole Fox: And then obviously the one that I shared, which has been a really profound one for us, was just about the queen, just really honoring the queen first.
• 42:32
  Nicole Fox: And so everything we do, any event, like even in our gatherings together, we meet every week for a couple of hours, and we always start our container with a prayer and just bringing in the divine and just knowing that, like, divine and then trusting ourselves again.
• 42:49
  Nicole Fox: It came from the bees in that they know what is theirs to do and what is not theirs to do as well.
• 42:55
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Oh, gosh.
• 42:56
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: That's a hitting.
• 42:56
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Another really powerful lesson, which is we often take on things that are our responsibility that we have no control over.
• 43:02
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So you're reminding each other, like, let it go.
• 43:05
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Would you say be the be.
• 43:07
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Let it be or.
• 43:09
  Nicole Fox: Yeah, another thing that you were bringing up also.
• 43:13
  Nicole Fox: But in our studying of the be as were just.
• 43:16
  Nicole Fox: It was so profound to learn that the beekeepers are some of the healthiest humans on the planet.
• 43:23
  Nicole Fox: And it's because that they are surrounded by the buzzing of the frequency of these bees.
• 43:29
  Nicole Fox: And, you know, there's a lot of different information about where the bees actually.
• 43:34
  Nicole Fox: The herz.
• 43:35
  Nicole Fox: Where they actually are vibrating.
• 43:37
  Nicole Fox: But some of it shows that it actually is at the vibration of love and the same vibration of creation.
• 43:44
  Nicole Fox: And so I. I mean, honestly, I believe that at that retreat, that's what happened is that there was that frequency that was coming in and I was actually like.
• 43:54
  Nicole Fox: It was going into potting.
• 43:55
  Nicole Fox: It was like moving and healing and.
• 43:57
  Nicole Fox: And so I'm.
• 43:58
  Nicole Fox: I'm fascinated.
• 43:59
  Nicole Fox: I have a lot to learn about the bees, but they definitely have a lot to teach us.
• 44:04
  Nicole Fox: Us.
• 44:04
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Oh, gosh.
• 44:05
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I've done a lot of work around the frequencies and the.
• 44:07
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I put like 530 hertz.
• 44:09
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I'm.
• 44:09
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: A lot of my music is on that herz because I feel.
• 44:12
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I feel it like deeply that.
• 44:14
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So I really believe in that.
• 44:16
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I feel like there's so much more.
• 44:17
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Like you said, I just scratched this.
• 44:19
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: It's just like.
• 44:19
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: It feels good to me, but I don't know all the data so interesting.
• 44:22
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I'm looking to my left.
• 44:23
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I'm going to try to show you guys this.
• 44:24
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And this just hit me like, as you talked about the beekeeper.
• 44:27
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So I have on my wall this beautiful painting.
• 44:30
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I'm going to just do this.
• 44:31
  Nicole Fox: This.
• 44:31
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: It's called Be Joyful, Be Happy.
• 44:34
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And in that in the corner, you.
• 44:36
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: It's Hard to see, but there's bees all over there and there's hives over there and there's a beekeeper in the corner.
• 44:43
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And it literally.
• 44:44
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: A dear friend of mine who is the wife of a pastor actually painted this for me locally.
• 44:49
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Like, and it was.
• 44:50
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I saw it in her studio and I'm like, oh.
• 44:53
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Like it just my whole body and it's so interesting.
• 44:56
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: We're talking about that.
• 44:57
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I never really thought.
• 44:57
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I mean, I knew the bees are on there, the hive, the past, it was hard to see.
• 45:00
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But in that whole painting is the hive pattern all over the art.
• 45:06
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And it's right here beside me in my most precious space because it's meant so much.
• 45:10
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: How cool is that?
• 45:11
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Like, it's just.
• 45:12
  Nicole Fox: That is so cool.
• 45:13
  Nicole Fox: I love it.
• 45:14
  Nicole Fox: And now you're even more present to the energy.
• 45:16
  Nicole Fox: Probably.
• 45:17
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I'm just like, okay, that's going to mean a whole new level from what we had, our conversation in your book and everything.
• 45:21
  Nicole Fox: Totally.
• 45:22
  Nicole Fox: And the thing that's also like just being a functional medicine provider, you know, learning about or you probably knowing about the hertz and the frequency of the.
• 45:30
  Nicole Fox: Also they had found.
• 45:32
  Nicole Fox: And I could totally be butchering the story.
• 45:34
  Nicole Fox: So don't.
• 45:36
  Nicole Fox: I believe that they had found some honey in the pyramids in Egypt.
• 45:42
  Nicole Fox: Some old honey that was like thousands of years old and it still was like you could still eat it.
• 45:49
  Nicole Fox: It's like one of the only foods that you don't have to add anything for it to like continue to be sustainable.
• 45:58
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Wow.
• 45:58
  Nicole Fox: Like, yeah, I'm totally butchering probably how to communicate this.
• 46:03
  Nicole Fox: But there's also something very healing about the honey.
• 46:07
  Nicole Fox: And I've heard, not that I know anyone, but that we could literally sustain our.
• 46:12
  Nicole Fox: Ourselves off honey alone.
• 46:14
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I believe it because it has a propolis and all the healing immune factors people use it for and.
• 46:19
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Oh, love.
• 46:20
  Nicole Fox: Yeah.
• 46:21
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I want to kind of close with a few very personal questions if you're willing to answer.
• 46:25
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Because I think that people first of all, story always drives the meaning.
• 46:29
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And just your story with your sisters and how that developed so powerful.
• 46:32
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I love that it's now going out in the world with your book, which is why I wanted to have you on.
• 46:37
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But let's see, let's ask.
• 46:40
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: What have you finally stopped apologizing for?
• 46:47
  Nicole Fox: I used to be a big apologizer.
• 46:50
  Nicole Fox: It's a practice and I. I'm sure I don't know if you've ever heard this, but I just.
• 46:57
  Nicole Fox: I try not to apologize.
• 47:00
  Nicole Fox: I do apologize.
• 47:01
  Nicole Fox: I just don't use the Words I'm sorry.
• 47:03
  Nicole Fox: So there.
• 47:04
  Nicole Fox: It feels like there's a difference energy between the word I'm sorry, like there's something wrong with me versus I apologize.
• 47:10
  Nicole Fox: Like I consciously have done something that I just need to own.
• 47:13
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yeah.
• 47:14
  Nicole Fox: You know, so I would say the thing that I stopped saying I'm sorry for is, like, bumping into people or taking up space or shining my light or apologizing for who I am.
• 47:26
  Nicole Fox: So if I do, you know, we still.
• 47:29
  Nicole Fox: I still get very uncomfortable in my old patterning, but I've learned to thank people instead of saying I'm sorry.
• 47:36
  Nicole Fox: So, like, if I feel something, I'll just say, thank you for tolerating this or thank you for, you know, waiting for me, even though I'm a little late, instead of saying, I'm sorry, I'm late.
• 47:46
  Nicole Fox: And so I just.
• 47:47
  Nicole Fox: In.
• 47:47
  Nicole Fox: Just in general, I'm just thanking people for their patience and for their love versus for apologizing for who I am.
• 47:54
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Oh, that's so good.
• 47:55
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I love that.
• 47:56
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: It's just really powerful.
• 47:58
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I hope people listening are taking notes.
• 48:01
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So let's think about a woman listening in her car, on her walk, on her jog, you know, in the gym right now.
• 48:09
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And she's accomplished.
• 48:10
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: She's taking care of everyone.
• 48:12
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yeah.
• 48:12
  Nicole Fox: Yeah.
• 48:13
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And everybody thinks she's doing beautifully.
• 48:16
  Nicole Fox: Right.
• 48:16
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: We all know this woman.
• 48:18
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I'm touched as I say it, because I know I've been there before.
• 48:20
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Right.
• 48:22
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Privately, she's exhausted and lonely, and she's wondering who's going to take care of me.
• 48:27
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: What would you say to her right now?
• 48:31
  Nicole Fox: I would tell her that we are stronger together, and it is a choice.
• 48:37
  Nicole Fox: And so just to be brave, to take that step, to trust that there's other people out there that want what she has and that, you know, like, she has the gifts they need, and they have the gifts that she needs.
• 48:48
  Nicole Fox: But it just.
• 48:51
  Nicole Fox: It takes a little bit of courage for us to trust that it's available for us, you know?
• 48:58
  Nicole Fox: So that's what I would say.
• 49:01
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And what is the one thing that little Nicole, years ago, would look at you today and say, wow, I'm.
• 49:08
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I'm surprised, I'm proud.
• 49:10
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I'm.
• 49:10
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I'm amazed.
• 49:11
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: What.
• 49:11
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: What thing would you want your younger self to look at you today and say, I'm proud of you for?
• 49:17
  Nicole Fox: I think it's the self love.
• 49:19
  Nicole Fox: I just.
• 49:19
  Nicole Fox: It was such a journey for me to get there.
• 49:22
  Nicole Fox: It was.
• 49:23
  Nicole Fox: I just really.
• 49:25
  Nicole Fox: I think I tried and tried to love myself, but I never really could get there.
• 49:30
  Nicole Fox: And And I, I feel that I've tapped into that self acceptance and that love.
• 49:36
  Nicole Fox: But it's again, instead of me trying to change something, to be like lovable, it of a choosing to just believe that I already am lovable.
• 49:46
  Nicole Fox: Like I choose just to believe that, like there's nothing I need to do, there's nothing I need to fix.
• 49:52
  Nicole Fox: And it's so funny you even bring up that question because sometimes we'll, you know, we're talking about our little children.
• 49:59
  Nicole Fox: Yeah.
• 49:59
  Nicole Fox: Sometimes we talk about like my 80 year old self.
• 50:02
  Nicole Fox: So what is my 80 year old self telling me right now that she wants me to know, to support her and you know, 30.
• 50:12
  Nicole Fox: So it works both ways.
• 50:13
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But I love that shift.
• 50:14
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: That's really good.
• 50:16
  Nicole Fox: But.
• 50:17
  Nicole Fox: And so I feel like it goes both ways.
• 50:19
  Nicole Fox: Like I feel like that woman that I'm about to become is accepting and loving me right now and that girl that I just thought was broken, like, I also get to just love and accept her right where she is and there's nothing she needs to do to change.
• 50:34
  Nicole Fox: Change.
• 50:34
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Oh, good.
• 50:35
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I hope the women out there who are feeling that are listening.
• 50:37
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: This is so powerful, so maybe more powerful than any other podcast just because this is where the heart is.
• 50:43
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I love the heart.
• 50:44
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Right though.
• 50:46
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Last thing.
• 50:47
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: If the bees, all the wisdom of the bees.
• 50:49
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: If the bees could speak to humanity, we're gonna go out, you know, a little bit larger.
• 50:52
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: The beast could speak directly to our human existence right now and give us just one piece of wisdom on how we've been living, how we might behave or live differently.
• 51:00
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: What do you think they'd say to us?
• 51:03
  Nicole Fox: I think they would say that we always call it the big be in the sky.
• 51:12
  Nicole Fox: I believe the big be in the sky would say to us that we all, there is no right and wrong like in a sustainable world.
• 51:22
  Nicole Fox: That there's diversity there's the left and the right.
• 51:27
  Nicole Fox: It's not one or the other.
• 51:31
  Nicole Fox: Yeah.
• 51:32
  Nicole Fox: And I, I just think that we're all here having our unique human experience and it all belongs and that if we can just all accept that and love each other like we can let go and let down all of our walls.
• 51:45
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Beautiful.
• 51:46
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Nicole, thank you for bringing this work to the world.
• 51:48
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Thank you for sharing your story of the.
• 51:50
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: How this all started and just the beautiful human that you are.
• 51:54
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I hope this grow as this movement and that more women will get in sisterhood and community.
• 51:59
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I think it's really what we need as women more than ever before.
• 52:03
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So thank you for your work.
• 52:05
  Nicole Fox: Thanks for having me.
• 52:06
  Nicole Fox: It's just been so delightful to be here with you.
• 52:08
  Nicole Fox: I was very excited to join you today, so.
• 52:11
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Me too.
• 52:12
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I said I'm sorry in the beginning because I was late.
• 52:15
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But I'm gonna say thank you for being so patient with me and so kind and gracious.
• 52:19
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Hey guys, wasn't it a fun and inspirational episode with Nicole Fox about the BE Sisterhood?
• 52:25
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: You can find all of her book and information about the BE Sisterhood at bsisterhood.com It'll also be in the show notes if you're looking for more information.
• 52:34
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Thanks as always for joining me for another episode of Resiliency Radio.
• 52:38
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• 52:51
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• 52:57
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