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The 16 Hour Workweek | Matt Chenard · More Than Before

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Hey everyone, welcome back. What do sub zero temperatures,
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carrots and Jesus all have in common?
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Well, it's my guest today. He is an apprentice of Jesus and
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a business life strategist who is impacting the lives of
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countless men all through his social media presence.
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His story is one of faith that fuels the fire of life.
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And you are definitely going to want to share this with every
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single guy that you know. Matt Shrenard, my brother from
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the North. Welcome to the program.
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How are you today? I'm good.
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How are you, Nathan? And you nailed my name, by the
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way, Shannar. Not many people get that right
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the first try. And we'd even, we didn't even
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rehearse it at first either. Well, you know, it's funny
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because I will, I will say I, I started to Google different ways
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to say it and then I was like, well, is he, does he pronounce
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it the French way of the and then you swallow the, the, the D
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And I was like, I don't know, I'm just going to be, well, I
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was totally butchering it before, but we won't say that.
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We'll just edit all that out. Oh man, I love it.
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So you you do reside in Alberta, Canada currently with your high
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school sweetheart and your two kids, correct?
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Correct. I love that walk me back to
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early childhood. I always like to get a little
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bit of a feel of what people were like when they were kids
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because I think when we were kids, we kind of have this
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purity mindset, like not necessarily pure.
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You and I both know that there's, there's a lot of bad
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things that happened, you know, right out of the womb.
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But there is, there is a sense of wonder and awe that is just
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naturally installed with us that God just we look at it and we
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say, oh, wow, I can see what God was doing way back when I was a
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kid. When we go back to your
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childhood, who, who were you? What were you like?
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What? What was life like for you?
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Yeah, good question. So we grew up on acreage in the
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farming, a farming community in in Alberta, small town farming
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community in Alberta. We were all homeschooled.
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So me and my two brothers, we are homeschooled and we played
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sports predominantly hockey. I mean we played baseball, we
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played some inline hockey. I can't remember if we played
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anything else, but predominantly we played all played hockey.
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So being homeschooled gave us time to do that.
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But I remember being homeschooled and just being all
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of our brothers and myself were totally different in how we
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learned and what we were like. So I would get up, I'd start
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school, I'd do school work for probably 20 minutes and I'd just
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be staring outside. And then I have to go play
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outside for like an hour. And I was, it was very hard.
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Bless my mom, she's very patient.
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It was very hard to keep me on the lesson on on track 'cause I
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need to go play. Yeah, my younger brother would
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wake up early, he'd do his work straight for an hour to two
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hours and be done for the rest of the day.
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And I would just chip away all day long because I needed to go
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play, go smell, go get my hands dirty and imagine things.
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So that's would be something similar.
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I still see in myself. I really enjoy beauty and in
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nature and the smells, the sights.
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I am a big fan of the mountains and I like imagining things.
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Now it's just in a more, I guess, adult way being an
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entrepreneur. And that's why I really enjoy
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coaching. I guess label myself as more of
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a visionary in terms of entrepreneurship.
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If we're talking about visionaries versus integrators,
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I like to ideate and come up with ideas, problem solve and
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that's very time or energy draining if you're doing that
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all yourself, building all these different businesses.
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So I get to benefit from helping other people do that with their
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businesses without having to do the administrative type thing
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now. And that's what's I, I would
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definitely have seen that from when I was younger.
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It's just dreaming and ideating a lot.
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You know, you talk, you talk about your brothers, especially
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growing up, like in an open acreage, things tend to happen,
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especially, you know, with a homeschool mom who, you know, my
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mom would always say, OK, like, I need a break, go outside and
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play. And we would, we would get into
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everything. I still remember there was one
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friend, he came up, I think we're doing science class or
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something. And we took a break from science
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and we went outside and we had this huge garden full of
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tomatoes. And I don't know, boys are boys,
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you know, we went out and we started picking these tomatoes
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and we had the largest tomato war just pegging each other in
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the head with tomatoes. Like what were some of those
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earlier memories with your brothers that kind of an
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instilled a sense of adventure in you?
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Take a bow and arrow and fight straight up in the air and then
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run. I'll be.
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Run. That was before it was a trend,
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right? Yeah, yeah, just super dumb to
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do. And then we had this clubhouse,
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I remember. So me and my friend were
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throwing rocks at my younger brother and his friend, like big
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rocks, which again, not smart. We had paintball guns.
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So we'd go hide in the grain bins and and paintball each
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other. My friend came over, we go walk
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on the ice this, but we found out later it had some sewage in
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it and we fell in. Yeah, just rounds climbed trees.
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We didn't really get any big injuries.
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We had some dirt bikes growing up.
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We had a homemade go Kart. But yeah, not a lot of big
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injuries. God had his hand of protection
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against around us for sure. And some things, absolutely.
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Now that now that I have my own kids, I just see everything as
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like, there's so many things that could go wrong.
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It is funny. And the older there's the older
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you get. That is part of it.
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But as soon as you get kids, there's, there's a dialing up of
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going, oh, that's really not a smart thing.
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Why are you doing that? And then you think back and
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you're like, I did that. Don't do what I did.
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So was was Camrose was is that an area of farm town?
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Was is that a large farming community then?
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Yep. What did community do for you
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growing up? Because I find, you know,
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homeschooling community, there's different all around the world,
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people who homeschool, it's slightly different.
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There's, there's a huge community here in the Portland
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area and just into Vancouver, WA.
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So, you know, you have a lot of people that can get together and
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you get to meet other homeschool families.
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And they've, they've been doing that for a number of years.
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They had it when I was a kid. But did you have that sense of
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community when you were growing up, or was it mostly just
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family? Family, community?
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Family, yeah, we would have been before was trendy like
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homeschooling before was trending like everyone being
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like a year homeschooler. So you must be really weird.
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How do? Isn't that the greatest
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question? How do?
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You function in society. You, you seem so normal, I never
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would have guessed. You can talk to people, yes.
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Yes. Like actually, most of us could
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talk to adults better than other peers of our age, could we?
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We had a homeschool community. We didn't partake in it too much
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just 'cause we were so busy with hockey.
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So the community would have been predominantly our church
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community and the hockey community.
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Those have been, hey, we always spent a lot of time in the rinks
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between myself playing and my brother's playing.
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So whether I was playing around in the rink or I was on the ice,
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like we were traveling a lot. So the biggest community that
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would have influenced me in my life or could have had an impact
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or did have an impact would have been obviously my family, the
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family unit and hockey. So when did, when did hockey
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start to become more dialed up, where you started to be
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intensifying that dream? Because that was it.
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That was a dream, if I recall, that you really wanted, you
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wanted to become a professional hockey player.
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When did that start to ramp up and you started to focus more on
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I want to do this for a for a living?
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Yeah. So basically when you're born,
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you put on skates in Canada. So I still think I started when
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I was 5 playing when I was 5 and you go through minor hockey.
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So I'd have played in the on the competitive teams.
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The top level teams starting in was then pee wee and then Bantam
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are the names for it. So how old would I have been?
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131415 is when I would have done the competitive like started to
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become more competitive where you're practicing more, you're
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traveling more, you're playing in a difference.
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So I've played in the Duke Alberta for my my Bantam years.
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And then probably usually around 16 to 20 is when you start to
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become more one track focus, meaning you're going to be just
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a hockey player. You're going to, if that's what
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you're going to do, you're going to go play junior.
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You're going to you're going to leave home, you're going to try
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to climb your way up through junior to the professional or
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NCAA or something like that, right?
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So you're trying to take the step ladder, which at the time
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there's multiple different like 2 main branches.
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You could go, you could go play WHL or the Western Hockey
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League, which would be I could think considered semi
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professional and then try to get to climb up and get drafted into
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the NHL. Or you could play Junior A,
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which is a junior hockey like the WHL, just a lower tier.
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It's Tier 2 and then you go play NCAA in the States and then try
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to climb that trajectory from there.
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So did did your brothers also go that track of wanting to become
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professional hockey players? At what point did they veer off
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and understand, like maybe this isn't a place that we want to
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continue going because, you know, the injuries, injuries in
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hockey are kind of very similar in some aspects to injuries like
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in in American football where your body doesn't last very
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long. It's kind of a rough sport, very
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rough. At what point did your brothers
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also kind of realize that too? Was that around the same time as
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you or did they did they progress as far as you with
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hockey? They would.
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Have been opposite into the spectrum.
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So my younger brother Jonathan would have played in high school
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and then he was done. He I would say you would be the
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most academic of us all and that's direction you went into.
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He would have been more into, yeah, I guess the school side of
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it. And he's they're both goalies, I
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should say that too. So they're both goalies.
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So different kind of injuries. My older brother, he pursued
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professional for quite some time.
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So he played around the states in some semi professional
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leagues and definitely injuries become a part of it.
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But it it is extremely difficult to make it to the next level.
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We've had a few like a one of our friends played in the NHL,
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but it it takes a lot and you have to be, especially now with
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how much money parents are pumping into their kids hockey
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careers at such a young age. They're either going to burn out
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or they're going to make it too high level.
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But yeah, for me, injuries became a big part of it.
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I had 7 concussions, broken bones.
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I mean obviously if you follow me on social media, you know I
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have missing teeth. So a couple different things.
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For my brothers, injuries would have been predominantly
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connective tissue. So groin injuries are very
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common a doctor. Injuries are very common for
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goalies. When I love that you say that
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nowadays parents are so like into getting their kids to the
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professional level. Their kids like 4-5 year old.
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Now we're we're going to be doing this night and day.
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You're going to eat, breathe and sleep this.
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I would imagine your your parents weren't like that.
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What, what were your parents like growing up?
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But how did how did they help to form who you are?
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Like how did they see you and pour into your life to become
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the man that you are today? My parents are amazing.
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I again now having kids my own I you get a way better picture of
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what it's actually like. So my mom is patient, observant,
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empathetic, and the most like the toughest person I know.
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My dad was an extremely, extremely hard worker who never
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complained about working. So he would get up at 4:00 AM
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for He worked one job for 45 years and get up when we were
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younger. He worked double shifts before.
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There was a lot of health and safety stuff going on and still
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was present and with us and they just supported us in what we
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wanted to do. They never forced us into
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anything. They made sure to ask us if we
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still enjoyed it and when we were done, we're done.
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But if we wanted to pursue it, they made that happen.
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They put a lot of their own needs and wants on the back
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burner because we were pursuing this, the quote UN quote hockey
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dream. And they keeps kept us grounded.
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They they guided us without being restrictive, taught us
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good morals, good values, good character traits.
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And I'm very grateful. And the older I get, the more
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grateful I become to see how that all shaped us and the
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people they were. Were you a good student?
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Because I, I find it interesting because you, you are well, it's
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interesting because you, you're, you are a lifelong learner like
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you with, with everything that you do.
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You're we're similar on the same aspect.
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I was talking to my wife about this last night.
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I said Matt and I are, are very similar in the fact that
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everything that we do, we want to do with excellence.
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We want to pursue it with excellence to the best of our
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ability. You know, when you're doing
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something, that's what you're doing.
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You know, my, my high school wrestling coach said if you're
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running, you're a runner. If you're singing, you're a
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singer for you. If you're skateboarding, you're
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a skateboarder. When did the the learning piece
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and and the the love of learning come into play in your life?
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Once I could see the application of it, I got decent grades.
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By no means was I bad at school. I just struggle because I don't
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like memorizing and then getting the answer from that way of
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doing it. I like figuring out different
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ways to do something instead of doing this copy and paste thing
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over and over. Which is funny because I talk
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about the importance of systems. So systems are important, yeah,
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to give you freedom. Like discipline is important to
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give you freedom to do things. But I would get an answer in, as
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an example, in math and but I didn't use the process that was
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recommended. So I wasn't able to show my work
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of how I got the answer, but I still got the answer.
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So I get bad marks in that. And that'd be frustrating to me.
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And I as I grew up, I continue to learn.
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So when I got into fitness, I just dove into that and studied
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it over and over and over and just found all these different
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resources. When I got into CrossFit,
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studied that. When I got into business, I
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studied that and just becoming really obsessed in a not a not
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an obsession way, but obsessed and focused on that one thing
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because I could see how it could be applied.
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So learning about cold exposure, learning about nose only
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breathing and how it's so important, learning about
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different nutrition parts, learning about different
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principles and wisdoms from the Bible like those that really
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interest me, those types of things.
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So when I can learn something and see how it directly is can
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be applied to my life, that that's when I become passionate
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about it, when it's when I have to learn something that it just
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feels like, hey, it's a check box that I have to do.
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It doesn't really make sense to me.
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Yeah. So if we're taking the journey
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in your life, you go through school, you go to college or
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university, is it university up there or is it college, college?
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It's college. There's college and university.
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Yeah. I mean, it's not really
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definitive. We can call it either or.
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I know what I. What I understand whatever.
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Those people call it so, you know, a higher level of
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education. What was what was your original
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focus educational wise when you were playing hockey?
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So I went to Briarcrest Bible College.
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There it is, Bible College in Saskatchewan, Moose Jaw, SK just
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inside of Moose Jaw SK. So I went there to play hockey.
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I didn't go to study, I took open studies.
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I took some ministry or biblical courses and some business
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courses but it that was not my focus and I'd never actually got
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a degree. When I went I did 2 years and
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took a bunch of random courses. So then you have these 7
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injuries, these 7 concussions and was that a, was that a
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personal choice for you to step away or was that more of a
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medical encouragement from the college saying, hey, I think we
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need to have you transition to something else?
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It would have been no, yeah, no one told me to stop.
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I, I was becoming a little bit more fearful of, hey, what
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happens if you get too many more concussions?
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And I was at the part of the, my hockey journey where I'm sure
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there's a way I could have leveled up.
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But once you kind of get to where I was, you'd have to climb
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the ladder through lower level overseas in Europe or semi pro.
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And at that point I've been dating my wife and she was my
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fiance at that point. It just, it would have become
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more egotistical and prideful for me to pursue it anymore
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anyway, both at the risk of further injuries and just, yeah,
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I don't, I don't foresee a way I could have made it to the top
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level that would have been of benefit to my future family and
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me. It would have just been
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something that I want to pursue because I want to pursue it.
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So how how long you didn't go directly into training you were
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you actually went into the electrical trade right after
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that, correct? Yeah.
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You did the research. I love it.
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Yes. What did I do?
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So I yes, I went into electrical work in Edmondson.
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My wife was in nursing school at the time, so I did was
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apprentice. I don't even know if I call it
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apprentice. It was more just.
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Yeah, I guess I was apprentice in electrical work in Edmonton.
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I think I did that for six or seven months.
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It was during the winter, during the cold winters, and we're
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predominantly roughing and we did some finishing work as well,
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but it was mostly roughing in. And that was character builder
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without a doubt. That was a time of life that was
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very. Yeah, it was challenging when
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did. You realize that that wasn't
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something you wanted to pursue and you wanted to focus more on
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the the training side of things because then you, then you, you
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and your wife actually started out.
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Well, it was, maybe it was just you, but you started a home gym
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and your aunt, I believe in your mom, where your first customers,
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customers, customers. How, how, how did that
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transition play take place? How did, how did you start to
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make that decision? Because I think there's, there's
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a lot of people right now that are looking at what they're
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doing in life. And they say, you know what?
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I, I said I was going to go into this and I've done it for a
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while. And it's just not, it's not
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moving my heart the way that I thought it would.
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And not that you should follow your heart.
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Your heart is fickle. Like it'll lead you in some
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really bad places if you're not careful.
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And so one of the things I really love about you is that
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you've developed this, this system or this habit of putting
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things before the Lord and saying, is this something that I
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should really do and asking the Lord like it, are you leading me
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in this direction? How did you make that decision
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to leave something that would have been quote, UN quote,
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stable trade to do something that was entrepreneurial, which
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is not stable in any way? Yeah.
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And so my mom owns a business. So there is entrepreneurial
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mindset in my family, but my small community not really like
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I didn't even know entrepreneurship was a thing
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until I was four years into owning my own business, right
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like that. Hey, you can just start
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different businesses and that can be your life because it
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didn't sound like I mentioned my dad really hard worker, just one
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job. And the further I go along,
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again, I think that's just some people's journey and that's OK
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and that's what they like to do. Like my wife, if she could
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choose, she would much rather clock in and clock out and have
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a boss, someone telling me what to do and get those things done
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and then just mentally be able to disconnect.
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And we know as entrepreneurs, that's not a possibility.
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Like you, it's very difficult to disconnect and you're your own
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boss. You have to keep your own
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structure and to tie this kind of together.
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And I'll get to how I made that journey through.
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There is the more I think about this, the more I believe
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majority people are getting this wrong.
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We're pursuing the outcome instead of the process of it.
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So what I mean by that is we're pursuing the career to then
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retire from that career, but we are never designed to retire.
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We're never designed to black purpose and be unproductive in
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society. You see, when people retire or
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they don't have a purpose anymore, a mission, they get
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sick and thinking that, hey, I'm going to get to this utopia,
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this this vacation time. There's retirement time at this
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arbitrary age of 65, and that's when I'm going to be happy.
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But what if we're starting to tell I'm getting a little bit
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more passionate about this? What if we looked at this and
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said, OK, go back to my childhood like you mentioned at
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the start, Nathan is how have I been designed?
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What's different about me than my brothers?
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And how can I nurture that? Instead of just saying, no, I'm
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going to, I'm going to put myself in this mold in this box
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because the outcome of this job looks stable and promising.
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But in reality, you're mitigating and getting rid of
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all your gifts at the cost of you're handing these gifts and
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talents over to provide stability, which is important.
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I mean, you have to provide for your family like, and so I go
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back to pursuing a hockey career.
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That would have been selfish because it, I mean, it would
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have been fun, but at some point I would have to look at and be
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like, well, I'm not going to make a lot of money at this and
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I need to provide stability for my family.
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But what if you took the long Rd. mindset and said, I'm going
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to nurture my gifts, whether that's as an entrepreneur or as
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an employee, part of a team, and I'm going to be OK with it
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taking time. So if you look at the normal
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trajectory for people as they get into a career, they get
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promotions and they slowly get pay increase and it doesn't
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really get like, it's not exponential because you're just
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slowly climbing the ladder and then you retire from that.
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But what if you could nurture your gifts and your talents and
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slowly get better at what you're already designed to be good at?
25:13
That comes natural to you that doesn't come natural to other
25:16
people. What's the exponential outcome
25:19
of that? If you just take time to be
25:22
patient and be like and think, I'm just going to nurture this
25:25
and I'm going to love what I do. Predominately for work, you have
25:28
to do some things that you don't enjoy.
25:31
What does that look like over the long run?
25:33
If I truly nurture this and I get good at it, I could do this
25:37
until I'm 80 or 90. And why wouldn't I?
25:41
Because that's going to actually sustain me.
25:43
That's going to give me life, that's going to help me be more
25:47
me in terms of how God's designed me.
25:51
So the trajectory of that is I remember distinctively,
25:55
distinctly, we're in Edmonton. I was at Starbucks with my wife
26:00
and I said I'm going to own a gym one day.
26:01
So then I left that job, we went back home, I started doing
26:06
construction framing work. And then I hurt my back pretty
26:09
bad. And I always had liked training
26:11
for hockey. That was my my my favorite parts
26:14
is the summer of training. You're the odd.
26:16
Person that likes yes, that likes, I like.
26:19
That to get. Into the game, yeah.
26:21
And so I, I really enjoyed that. So I got my personal training
26:26
certificate, started training making under $1000 a month.
26:32
My wife and I joke she had an eating disorder so we can joke
26:34
about this now. So we didn't really have a buy a
26:38
lot of food at the time, which meant we could sustain what I
26:41
was doing. And then I partnered up with my
26:47
Co founder of our gym that we currently own Deanna.
26:50
We moved into her garage. At the time I was training my
26:52
mom and my auntie in our backyard for free.
26:55
Just kind of sharing my passion of what at the time, which was
26:58
CrossFit. Really passionate about this.
27:00
Open our gym, officially open the gym and my Co founders grad
27:06
Deanna grew it to a bigger facility and slowly started to
27:10
scale it up from there. And then at some point I
27:13
discovered entrepreneurship and realized, oh, you can actually
27:16
create businesses and that's a thing to scale businesses.
27:20
Yeah. I love, I love that the entire
27:25
crescendo into that because I, I think you're right.
27:29
A lot of us don't stop long enough to look back at the
27:32
common threads of our life. And we do kind of get on this
27:35
path of, oh, we, we're, we're focused on the goal of retiring,
27:40
which is so odd to me now that I look at it.
27:43
I, I look at life and I'm like, oh, I want to keep doing this
27:45
until I'm dead. Like, you'll have to, you'll
27:48
have to be prying the microphone off of my hand.
27:51
There. There is an interesting piece, I
27:53
think with all of this, that I'm curious, when did, when did you
27:57
do the first ice bath on video? Because as an introvert, as
28:05
someone who doesn't like to be seen necessarily, that doesn't
28:09
want to be in the spotlight, what what makes you go?
28:15
I'm, I've been doing an ice bath.
28:16
I'm going to maybe I'm going to record the ice bath because
28:19
that's really when your social media presence started to blow
28:23
up. Was I think it was 2016 I did my
28:31
first recorded ice tub. Now, there's different parts
28:35
that led up to that point, why I started ice tubing, but a little
28:39
bit about me and who I am. So I would have been like going
28:43
back to childhood. I would have been reserved and
28:46
public speaking would terrify me.
28:49
Like absolutely terrify me. Like I get nauseous, I get sick,
28:52
feel like puking. Even just being asked a question
28:56
in a large group would be terrifying to me.
28:59
That would be a common thread. And playing hockey.
29:03
I this might sound prideful, but I'm 6 foot six.
29:07
I'm a large person and I was good.
29:10
Like I had abilities. I could have made it further.
29:13
And that's not to say like I don't sit around the campfire
29:16
now and say kids, I could have played the big leagues.
29:19
No, But to give a picture is that I had potential, quote UN
29:23
quote potential, that good and bad word.
29:26
But I would have not fully stepped into that out of fear,
29:31
fear of making mistakes, fear of different things.
29:36
So at some point I had this kind of epiphany and while thinking
29:44
I'm not going to get better at this public speaking aspect or
29:47
I'm not going to be able to share my ideas that are in my
29:49
heart and my mind that God, I feel like God's given me to
29:52
share if I don't start posting like it just doesn't make sense,
29:55
right? There's a lot of people have a
29:56
really good ideas and really good giftings that are waiting
30:00
for the opportunity but don't realize if you want to surf the
30:03
wave, you have to be in the water or you have to get out
30:06
there, no pun intended, because we're talking about water.
30:09
So I I said, OK, I'm going to start filming myself and posting
30:13
a social media. The reason I sat in the ice tub
30:16
is because I was doing it at the time for health benefits.
30:19
But I knew that would probably invite criticism, right?
30:26
And not that I want criticism, but if I'm going to get over
30:29
this fear, I'm going to have to put myself in a situation to do
30:34
that. And I knew that being able to
30:36
control my breath, organize my thoughts in this stressful
30:40
situation where your body thinks it's going to die, then that's
30:46
going to help me with this anxiety, this fear of public
30:52
speaking or what people might think of me.
30:55
And if I recall correctly, you, you actually signed up to take a
30:59
a class to become to sing. Wasn't it you?
31:03
You wanted to, you took a vocal class in order to overcome that
31:07
fear, right? Yeah, that would.
31:09
Have been in college, yeah. When I was playing hockey, yeah.
31:12
I think public speaking is scary and then I think singing in
31:18
front of people is a little bit more scary.
31:20
So I did that. Yeah, I did that in college.
31:22
So I guess I've been my first exposure therapy session is
31:30
doing this basic voice is what they call it.
31:34
Out of curiosity, what what has music and worship done for you
31:40
in life? I saw, I saw a picture of you
31:43
playing guitar. It looked like you were
31:45
worshiping with one of your kids.
31:48
And it, it, it moved me as a father because it's one of the
31:51
things that I try to instill in my kids.
31:53
It's a heart of worship. What has, what has worship done
31:57
for you, especially during the, the harder times of your
32:03
journey? You know, like you mentioned,
32:06
you and Jalisa both have had some medical stuff that has
32:11
happened throughout your life. And I find in those really hard
32:15
times, sometimes we feel they're, they're dark times.
32:18
Worship is one of those things that you may not feel like it,
32:21
but just calling out and worshipping and and putting the
32:25
focus somewhere else really does help.
32:27
What did worship do for you in those times of difficulty?
32:35
Good question. I so I do play guitar.
32:39
I don't play it nearly enough and.
32:43
I mean, you're entrepreneur, you got lots of, you have a lot of
32:46
jobs. For one month and then do it for
32:49
another month after. I, yeah, I, I always have some
32:54
sort of music playing in the mornings.
32:56
I'll have a worship of folk hymns going on and just, I guess
33:03
I'd be a sensory person, someone who like smells, sights, sounds
33:11
are important to me and just how they connect you to God and
33:16
beauty. And it's an act of worship.
33:20
So I, I can't really say it's been like a distinct bringing me
33:26
through something, but it's always been a part of my life
33:31
and I really enjoy it. There was a really cool time.
33:36
So I have the music playing when we have breakfast usually and
33:40
I'll Fly away came on and our daughter was just learning to
33:43
talk. And so I was playing in the
33:46
background. I was singing a bit and all of a
33:48
sudden I hear I'll Fly away in her little cute little voice.
33:51
So she's, she'd stuck with her like all these years later, like
33:56
a year and a half later, she still loves to, she'll ask to
33:59
hear it. She loves to sing it.
34:00
So just instilling things like that I think has been cool for
34:06
me to see. But I can't really say it's been
34:08
a distinct, hey, it's brought me through times.
34:12
It's just been always been a part of my life.
34:15
Yeah, I love that. You say that though, that it's
34:17
always been a part because I think it's apparent with, with
34:21
what you were just saying about your daughter, you know, hearing
34:25
her start to sing just in that cute little voice.
34:29
You brought me back to a moment like, I think it's probably like
34:32
3 or 4 months ago when I came out into the living room and our
34:36
oldest, our six year old, was leading the other two in
34:42
worship. So they all have these
34:45
microphones and she has this guitar and she can't play it.
34:48
And so she's just strumming open string.
34:51
And not only that, but all of the strings are completely out
34:54
of tune because they, you know, they, they're constantly
34:57
touching the dials on them. And there was a moment where I
35:02
came out and I, I have this thing with my ear, like I can go
35:06
to like a choir performance of kids and I'll be that one
35:09
parent. Like, oh man, could we at least
35:11
get them to sing in tune? Like I'm that parent.
35:15
But I came out and rather than going straight to that, I saw
35:19
the heart of my kids and there was something that I really
35:23
loved. And the reason why I'm, I'm
35:25
touching on this is because I think it's true that because
35:30
having a heart of worship has kind of always been there.
35:33
It's been something that you've naturally taught your kids to
35:37
do. I, I'm curious.
35:39
I, I always love talking to other dads.
35:43
What are some of the things that you've learned from your kids?
35:46
Because I find one of the things my kids are really good at
35:50
doing, they're really good at teaching me the things that I
35:53
need to change because they're these little mirrors and they do
35:57
everything that you do. And then there's a moment where
36:00
you start to see you inside of them and you go, oh, oh, that's
36:06
not good. But then there's moments where,
36:09
you know, there's, there's the moments every once in a while,
36:11
like of the worship of like, oh, wow, that's really cool.
36:13
I, I know that I was able to instill that.
36:16
What were some of the things that you've started to learn
36:19
about yourself as you became a dad?
36:25
Yeah, bad habits for sure. That old mirror thing and seeing
36:30
our daughter say something or in a tone or by language or do
36:34
something and be like, where'd that come from?
36:36
Oh, I know. Yeah, I know where that came
36:38
from. You want to point at.
36:39
Your spouse, but you can't. Yeah, being.
36:42
Much more aware and not directly.
36:46
So not our daughter saying anything, but a couple things
36:49
indirectly would be the importance of not like learning
36:54
as an adult too. Like not the importance of not
36:56
letting our emotions drive us, but being in control of
37:01
emotions, knowing why they're there and asking why they're
37:03
there. And the importance of early
37:07
mornings. I saw someone posted something
37:11
the other day, something like your kids aren't going to miss
37:13
you early in the morning because they're sleeping, but in the
37:16
evening they are. So if you don't have the
37:18
discipline to get up early in the morning and get the things
37:21
you need to get done, whether that's exercise or whether
37:24
that's your work, I mean, everyone's schedule is a little
37:26
bit different. You might have to mix and match
37:28
throughout the day. But if you lack the discipline
37:32
and consistency to get up early in the morning and then things
37:35
that you need to prioritize, important things like work and
37:38
stuff get pushed later in the day that you then miss time with
37:42
your family, that's on you. And either you suffer through
37:48
the discomfort of getting up early or you're going to suffer
37:54
the long term consequences of not spending that time with your
37:57
family. That's been one of the biggest
38:00
things is just resting and surrendering into this knowledge
38:05
of like, well, probably get up at 4:00 AM for the next while
38:10
because that's when I need to get my important work done.
38:13
And that frees me up my discipline, the structure of
38:18
discipline frees me up a lot of other areas of life.
38:21
So I'll be one of the biggest lessons for sure.
38:23
It's fascinating to me also that family also there's, there's
38:27
points in life where there's a shift, right?
38:29
Like when you, when you get married, there's a shift because
38:33
you start going, oh, I'm no longer just myself.
38:36
I've got to, I have this other person that I'm living life with
38:39
now. And so now I don't just make the
38:42
decisions. Now I need to go and we need to
38:44
talk through what the decision's going to be.
38:45
Hopefully in a in a mature relationship, that's what
38:48
happens. But then family is also one of
38:53
those things that causes you to question everything that you're
38:56
doing. It causes you to say, do I want
39:00
to spend my time, my energy, my focus in this?
39:04
And one of the things I love that you do with entrepreneurs
39:08
is specifically Christian entrepreneur men is helping them
39:11
get down to a 16 hour work week and still be able to pay the
39:17
bills. How did that come into play of
39:20
realizing that I don't want to pour my life into just business?
39:26
Like I know that for you, business isn't technically like
39:30
that is your calling of what you're doing right now.
39:32
So it's not really work. It's it's something that you
39:34
enjoy to do. But how do you do that?
39:38
How do you get to that place or, or what was it for you that made
39:42
you say I need to shift things around so I'm not working, you
39:45
know, 6080 hours a week and neglecting my family because I
39:50
think we as guys do that easily because we get into our work and
39:53
we go, oh, I forgot that I have kids.
39:56
I forgot that I have a wife. What was that story for you?
40:00
We actually had some friends over, my brother-in-law and
40:03
another friend. We have sauna session.
40:05
Sauna is actually how you say it.
40:07
So everyone out there, Yeah, correct.
40:09
The other days, yes. Come on, I, I say sauna all the
40:13
time, so it's OK. I, we're having this
40:16
conversation and this idea of law of diminishing returns came
40:20
up. And so I'll get to the 16 hour
40:25
work week and why I think that's important.
40:28
But let's say physical training. Let's say there is a a level of
40:35
physical fitness I need to maintain to be a better husband,
40:38
to be a better father, to be a better person and society.
40:43
If I don't take care of my body, I'm going to cost the health
40:47
care system. I'm going to be grumpy, I'm
40:49
going to lack clarity. I'm not going to be have energy.
40:53
I'm not going to be able to participate.
40:55
All these different things are a byproduct of me not investing.
40:57
But there's a point where my daughter and son and wife do not
41:04
need me to deadlift 500 lbs. But there's no point in me being
41:09
able to do that, right? I can say I can justify it and a
41:12
lot of people justify things there's no need for me to do in
41:17
this period of my life and Iron Man, because I know how much
41:19
time it's going to take and bandwidth it's going to take for
41:23
me to train to be good at that. So that this is all going to
41:28
connect together. And I, I, I promise I will get
41:31
there, but that is important to look at.
41:35
So why are you putting more time and effort into it?
41:39
Is it actually for other people? Or are you believing the lie
41:43
that the world is telling us that it's about you, it's about
41:47
your individual happiness, It's about you following your
41:49
passions, your giftings. Well, then what happens if
41:52
everyone does that? No one's living sacrificially.
41:56
And that's where the deepest joy can actually come from.
41:58
You're pursuing happiness and at the as a biproct of trying to
42:07
get more out of these things. So then going into, well, I, I,
42:11
I categorize life into mental, physical, spiritual, relational,
42:15
professional. You have to consistently invest
42:17
into all these different areas. And there's going to be seasons
42:19
for things, right? There might be a season where I
42:21
invest more into my fitness. If I need to get more fit again,
42:25
there's going to be more. There's going to be seasons
42:27
where I need to invest more time into my business.
42:32
But if you professionally in your business aren't
42:36
consistently investing 60 to 80 hours a week into your business,
42:41
but you don't know the outcome that you want out of that, or
42:44
it's just to get to the $1,000,000.
42:45
It's just to get to this arbitrary $2,000,000 or whatever
42:48
it is. Why are you doing that?
42:50
Because it's that the idea of law of diminishing returns.
42:56
Could you just work enough to live the lifestyle you want to
43:01
live with your family, to have time to give to ministry, to
43:04
have time to give to your family, to have time to work on
43:06
your fitness because they are all are going to borrow from one
43:10
and the other. An hour spent in one area is an
43:13
hour missed another area. If I work out for three hours a
43:16
day, something's going to come at the cost of that time with my
43:19
family, time with the Lord, time I'm in business.
43:22
So you have to actually measure these things and be real with
43:25
yourself. So if This is why I help people
43:32
reverse engineer their business goals, and you can even do this
43:36
for your fitness goals, but your business goals around how you
43:40
want to spend your time. So you start by defining a year
43:44
out or two years out, what you want your week to look like,
43:48
starting with the quote UN quote, big rocks.
43:50
So some people have pride on this exercise before.
43:53
So your big rocks are based on your priority ladder.
43:55
I'm looking behind my computer because there's God, family,
43:57
friends, profession or fitness and then professional.
44:01
So I'm going to put my, my spiritual deposits in there
44:04
first. I'm going to invest in there
44:05
first on my calendar, then my family, then my friends, then my
44:09
fitness, then my businesses. So then you're using Parkinson's
44:13
law, which means that the time you allot is going to expand,
44:18
but your, your time you take to complete something is going to
44:20
expand to what you allot it. So if you never clearly define
44:24
this, you're going to be wonderingly aimlessly.
44:28
So then what you do is you say, OK, that's how I want to spend
44:31
my time. How do I make that happen?
44:33
Then you define how much money do you actually need to take
44:37
home to go on adventures with your family, to eat the food you
44:42
want to eat, to give generously all these different things like
44:45
what is that number to live in the house you want to live in?
44:47
And then here's a little caveat I want to put on this too.
44:51
If you are truly using your God-given gifts and talents and
44:54
you enjoy what you do for work, you're not going to have to
44:56
accumulate consumeristic expenses because you're not
45:01
escaping anymore. A lot of people try to escape
45:03
because they don't enjoy what they do in life.
45:05
So you need to go on these ground vacations to escape work
45:08
or buy this new vehicle because they need, they need an escape.
45:14
So if you clearly you're doing what you love to do, you find
45:18
this number, then in your perfect week, your time's up by
45:21
4, the working hours you have. So that's how many hours do you
45:26
have to work in a month based on the how you want to spend your
45:29
time. So you take that number and then
45:32
you, you take your lifestyle number, meaning the money you
45:35
need to make. You divide that lifestyle number
45:38
by how many hours in your perfect week you're going to
45:39
work. That's what you need to make
45:41
your time valued as. And you might not get, you won't
45:46
get there right away, right? Because you need to build teams,
45:48
you need to build systems. You need to learn how to steward
45:50
your time, money and energy well.
45:53
But what will happen is you'll you'll spend a lot of time to
45:58
get to this point. But eventually when you have
46:00
systems, you enjoy what you're doing, your times will become
46:03
more valuable in the marketplace because you can become more
46:06
valuable by the how fast you can solve bigger problems.
46:10
And if you're using your God-given gifts and talents and
46:14
you're nurturing that, you're going to get better at that.
46:17
And then the whole trajectory of life, you're going to become
46:22
exponentially more valuable. So you will only need to
46:25
eventually invest one hour a week to make the money you need
46:32
to make to live the life you want to live.
46:34
So it's a huge, big system and way of saying it.
46:37
So then I am no longer looking at my time as an exchange for
46:43
money, right? So that's what a lot of people
46:45
get trapped into is like if I want to make this money to live
46:48
lifestyle, I want to live and to invest 60 hours a week, 50 hours
46:52
a week. Well, you're never going to get
46:54
out of that because you're constantly exchanging time for
46:57
money. But if you leverage your gifts,
46:59
your talent systems, A-Team, and then just define how you want to
47:04
spend your time, you reverse engineer from that.
47:06
That's how you get to the 16 hour work week.
47:08
And I think 16 hours, it doesn't mean you have to work 16 hours.
47:12
If you'd like to work more on that, then do it.
47:14
I think it's important. We have mission, but you don't
47:16
want to have to work more than more than you have to work.
47:21
Yeah. Oh, man.
47:22
So if you guys are listening right now, you need to push
47:25
pause and you need to go back and you need to listen to what
47:28
he just said over and over and over.
47:32
There are so many small Nuggets that he was just talking about
47:35
from focusing on the the type of life that you want to design and
47:40
starting from that point, talking about Parkinson's law.
47:44
Like you, you got to go back and you got to listen to this
47:47
because there are so many key pieces that will help you unlock
47:51
where you are to move to, where you want to go.
47:55
And if you want more help, make sure you go and you follow Matt.
47:59
He's got a great social media presence, whether that's on
48:02
Instagram or YouTube. I want you to go and check him
48:05
out. I do have a couple more
48:07
questions here before we we wrap up.
48:11
During COVID, a lot of people around the world were impacted
48:17
and you know, being in the United States, things were a
48:19
little bit different here. Canada, definitely a whole
48:22
nother ball game. You know, every, every country
48:25
did things differently for you. Your business was just
48:30
completely shut down. And not only was it shut down,
48:35
it was shut down over and over and over again.
48:40
One of the things I like to talk about on the program is the
48:44
furnace moments, those moments where life heats up and the
48:50
impurities come up and God starts to pull those things out.
48:55
How have difficult times helped you to become the man you are
49:00
today? Yeah, that was a difficult time.
49:06
I mean, we're still not fully out of it, but as a ripple
49:10
effect. But yeah, to give some context
49:13
for people don't know, on a gym, we got shut down five times.
49:17
So open and close five times. Had to change our model 5
49:20
different times, our business model.
49:22
So if you're an entrepreneur, you know, building a model once
49:25
is enough for a lifetime. And then we couldn't use our
49:29
building for seven months total. My wife lost her nine year
49:35
nursing job. All in all, I did the math.
49:39
So with my wife losing her job, her pay, losing maternity leave,
49:45
losing the revenue, losing our life savings is like $1.2
49:49
million over that three-year period, 3 or 4 year period.
49:54
And also losing a dream that I had.
49:59
Like I was going to build this $2,000,000 building.
50:01
We're going to have heat and cold exposure.
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We're going to have a gym, we're going to have a coffee shop,
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which is all good things to help people.
50:10
But talking about the furnace, talking about the fire, I think
50:16
there was some greed probably that need to be refined out of
50:21
me for sure. And because again, I'm going
50:25
back to 5 minutes ago, talking about we can justify anything,
50:30
right? We can justify building
50:32
anything, doing anything and say it's hey, it's for other people,
50:35
it's for good. But a lot of that stuff would
50:38
have been egotistical for me to build a bigger business, to
50:41
build a bigger building. And now I'm at the point where I
50:44
actually don't mind a small business that is profitable,
50:48
that's less stressful, that serves my life instead of fully
50:53
engulfs it. So and I, I've always said we
50:59
don't know what God's doing and everything, but I think there is
51:04
a piece of this that I wasn't ready to steward a lot back
51:10
then, right? I don't know what have happened
51:12
if I had everything I was dreaming and visioning up at the
51:16
time. But I feel like I'm getting
51:18
closer to that and to living life in this posture of, OK,
51:26
this is what I'm going to do and I'm going to pursue this.
51:30
And if it doesn't work, OK, it's OK because God is good and He
51:35
doesn't withhold stuff from us that are good.
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If I don't receive it, it means it probably wasn't good for me.
51:40
Or I don't see the whole picture.
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And maybe I won't see the whole picture while I'm here, but I
51:45
can rest and surrender into that more.
51:48
And knowing that He sees us and He knows us and He knows what's
51:53
good for us. And if I don't have something,
51:55
if I don't receive something, if I go through something, He's
51:58
enabled me to go through that for some sort of reason.
52:02
So I can be reflection, a closer reflection of him.
52:06
And I would say that I hopefully I am more Christ like from
52:13
having gone through that. I'm have less like we're
52:17
building back. We definitely will build back to
52:20
what we were and beyond that. But I definitely have less than
52:22
I did at the start of that process, the start of that
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journey. And my wife and I have a deeper
52:29
relationship. I have a deeper relationship
52:30
with God when and I have more time and I have the system now
52:36
to help with my time and other people's time, which, yeah, I
52:42
think it was a good thing to go through.
52:43
I don't want to go through that again because I told Julie says
52:47
it felt like past five years it just been trying to and God's
52:53
provided he's, he's been gracious through it all.
52:55
He's provided just the right time.
52:58
Yeah, it's it was like it was hard.
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It's as you were talking, I had this picture of, of exactly what
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you were just talking about. And if, for those of you that
53:11
know me, I'm, I, I like to think in pictures, people will speak
53:15
and then I have like these pictures that come to mind.
53:17
And as you're talking about, you know, right now, you're just not
53:21
ready for the big dream that God's put in your heart.
53:25
You know, right now God is developing your heart.
53:30
He's he wants you to let go of some some things.
53:33
He wants you to develop some areas of your life before you
53:37
get to the point that he wants to take you.
53:40
You know, you think of the story of Joseph, you know, he had a
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great dream. He went out, he started sharing
53:46
it with it. Probably not the greatest thing
53:48
to do right off the bat. Let God let God change you so
53:52
that you can meet those needs. In the picture I got was, you
53:55
know, a father doesn't go and at least a good father doesn't go
53:58
and spend like $30,000 on a violin and says here you go,
54:01
honey, and just and just leave the violin with the child, that
54:04
the child won't know what to do with it.
54:06
The child will probably break the violin and then that'll
54:09
frustrate the father and whatnot.
54:11
But a good father, a good father will get an instrument that is
54:16
right for the child, for where the child is.
54:21
And then the child will start to fall in love with that
54:25
instrument, fall in love with using it and learning it.
54:29
And then one day the father will come in and say, Hey, I have
54:34
this, I have this beautiful instrument that I want to give
54:37
you. It's time.
54:40
And as as that picture came to mind, I was thinking a number of
54:44
years I was, I was, I got to see the land Philharmonic.
54:49
I don't know if you've heard of this group.
54:51
It's a it's a bunch of kids and they essentially they're in a
54:55
very impoverished country and they take trash and they make it
55:00
into instruments. So they have a violin made from
55:05
trash. And what's interesting is there
55:09
have been donors who have gone to this school that that does
55:14
this whole thing with these kids.
55:16
And they said, we'll buy instruments, we'll get you guys
55:18
nice instruments. And they say, no, we're good.
55:22
We're good with the instruments that we have.
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And I say all that because what you said is so key.
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Fall in love with the instruments that God gave you.
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Learn them, love them and use them.
55:37
Matt, I, I really do love this conversation.
55:41
It it's, there's so much more I think that we could unpack.
55:45
I have one more question to ask you, but before I ask it for all
55:49
of you listening, I really do want to encourage you go and
55:53
watch Matt go to his Instagram, go to his YouTube for daily
55:58
moments of real encouragement in your day and make sure that you
56:04
check out his power packed podcast, the Lifestyle Engineer
56:10
podcast. It is absolutely fantastic.
56:12
It's, it's nice, compact and you can get a lot out of it.
56:17
Matt, there are a lot of people that are looking to improve
56:22
their life. People want to get better.
56:24
They want to, they want to get to the next level.
56:28
And I've heard you talk about it like there's a certain point
56:30
within life that until you know Jesus, there's, there's only a
56:34
certain level of success and significance that you can really
56:37
have. But take the person that does
56:40
know Jesus and they want to become more.
56:46
They want to become more of who they were created to be.
56:50
What is more than before mean to you?
56:54
And what action step would you encourage the person listening
56:57
right now to take to help them discover more of who they are
57:01
and to lean into that? I think it's important to ask
57:08
what success is and why you want it.
57:13
So if we define success as a worldly success, money and
57:19
things, prestige, influence, whatever it is, then you have to
57:28
ask yourself, is that what you're pursuing?
57:31
Because I would not define that as success.
57:34
I think that can be the byproduct of utilizing your
57:37
God-given gifts and talents. But I think success is daily
57:43
stepping into and stewarding what you've been given.
57:46
And if the biproct is those things and great, but you then
57:50
have to ask yourself, are you building your own Kingdom or are
57:54
you building God's Kingdom? And when I say these things,
57:57
anything I've said on this podcast today, I speak to myself
58:01
too. I'm not perfect at this.
58:02
I'm an imperfect human being. But are you pursuing the outcome
58:12
of success instead of submitting and being OK with the timeline
58:20
of who God's creating you to be and kind of going back to a
58:23
couple of minutes earlier? That's what I'm starting to
58:26
learn more into and surrender more into is God knows exactly
58:31
what I need. He knows exactly who I should
58:33
be. He knows exactly what I need to
58:34
go through and I need to surrender into every season of
58:40
life. But that doesn't mean I should
58:43
withhold and be impatient cause inaction is still an action.
58:48
So you need to take action in a direction utilizing what you've
58:51
been given in this moment right now.
58:54
You can plan, you can dream, you can envision what you want and
58:57
you can move in that direction. And if it's not a good thing, be
59:03
grateful that's been taken away from you, right.
59:06
So a lot of think in the Bible how many times God just
59:11
interrupted people's plans and their path, right?
59:14
Like getting swallowed by a fish, all these different things
59:19
is like, if you're going in the wrong direction, I think you can
59:24
be confident that it will be stopped.
59:28
And I think it's more important that you just surrender into
59:31
knowing that, hey, whatever is going to be the byproduct is
59:34
going to be the byproduct. But you need to find the joy in
59:36
the process. You need to rejoice in the
59:39
process. And you can be grateful for
59:40
everything you have now. Because if you're not grateful
59:43
and you can't find that gift of presence to be present where you
59:48
are right now, your life is going to be filled with a bunch
59:52
of moments in the present that you're never present for because
59:55
you're always in the future. So that's a common problem for
59:59
dreamers is you're always in the future.
1:00:02
Mindset instead of in the present moment and grateful for
1:00:05
what you have now. So I don't actually know if I
1:00:07
answer your question at all. I think you did in a really
1:00:12
great way. And if you didn't catch
1:00:15
everything, go back and listen to this episode.
1:00:18
There is, there are so many things that Matt said that could
1:00:21
really help you right now, where you are, whether you're
1:00:26
struggling or whether you're on top of the world right now.
1:00:28
There are things within Matt's story that if you go back and
1:00:32
listen to, you will get some massive gold Nuggets that you
1:00:36
will want to apply. In fact, I always love getting
1:00:40
to the ends of the episodes because I get to go back and I
1:00:42
get to listen to them over and over and I probably get more out
1:00:44
of the episodes than than anyone.
1:00:46
For all of you listening right now, make sure you go check out
1:00:49
Matt. Thank you so much for coming on
1:00:51
the program. For all of you out there, it has
1:00:54
been such a pleasure to be able to share Matt's story with you.
1:00:58
Make sure you share it. Go share this with another guy
1:01:01
that you know that needs some encouragement today where they
1:01:05
are and if they want to become more in that space of where God
1:01:10
has created them to be, to not only be successful and
1:01:13
significant, make sure you go check out Matt.
1:01:16
So until next time, remember to be more, see more, and
1:01:19
experience more than before.