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DAVE BAKSH: The End Of SUM 41, Touring, Collaborations & Escaping Terror · The Downbeat

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  So I've nearly said a rude word that I really wanted to.
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  It would have been affectionate, but YouTube be YouTube be
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  demonetising me quite a lot lately for saying naughty words.
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  My guest on the podcast this week is Dave the Brown Sound
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  from Sum 41. Big guest, big dude, big chat.
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  Honestly never met him before in my life.
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  At the end of the episode Simon the editor said I didn't realise
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  you guys knew each other. Guess what?
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  We didn't. We just broke down immediately
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  about his illustrious career, his brushes with death, of which
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  there were many. The guy is a legend.
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  I had such a good chat. It's Dave Brown Sound Barch on
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  the Downbeat podcast. Dave Brown sound.
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  How do I, how do I pronounce your second name?
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  You can say bash. Bash.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice.
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  How are you? Man, I'm good, I'm good back in
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  Glasgow. Thanks for coming.
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  This place has been like treating us crazy for for years
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  and years, like since the first show.
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  And I mean, after that, I can't remember where we played the
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  first time. How big was it?
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  Maybe, maybe 405 hundred, but at that time we had already had
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  like half hour power out and we had just started kind of
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  touring. All killer, no filler.
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  You did 500 then? Because I feel like you're the
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  biggest banner in the world then, to me anyway.
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  As a kid, no. I mean, we came back so many
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  times. Like we ended up going back to
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  bear lands. Then I think it was called SECC.
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  Yeah. And did that and yeah, it just
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  wild times. I wonder if it was was it on a
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  main? Can you remember if it was on a
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  main road? It was probably ABC which burned
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  down. Maybe it was ABC.
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  Maybe it was ABC. Let's just say it was ABC, yeah.
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  Thank you ABC. They're fucking.
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  Crazy. Here.
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  Yeah. Amazing.
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  The chant. We didn't get the chant yet.
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  Why? What?
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  Do you mean you haven't got the chant?
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  Well, which chant are you talking?
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  About here we, here we, here we fucking go, OK?
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  Yeah, yeah, we've. Got Yeah, of course.
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  It's only like, I can't think of another place on earth that has
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  its own chant for bands. Well, I didn't want to claim
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  chant and then not know what you're talking about.
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  Be like, Oh yeah, yeah, we got the.
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  Chant no, you definitely got the chat.
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  Clap down, clap your hands. There's no show that happens
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  that doesn't get it. OK cool.
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  And Scottish people hate it, but as musicians I guess.
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  My favorite thing on the fucking earth like.
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  So why does Scottish people hate it but they.
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  Think it's cringe? Oh.
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  The people that do it don't think it's cringe but like other
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  people that are like too cool for the show.
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  We're just like. What shows are you playing?
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  Oh man, I. Mean I just know from talking to
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  other Scottish. People, I don't see it.
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  Targeting in on someone going fuck this, fuck you, you'll hear
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  it tonight and you're going to be like, oh, I remember now.
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  I gotta say, I, I don't know if I would, if I would do it at a
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  show. I, I don't think I could.
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  No. But I, I totally ride with
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  people that I love it as a performer.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I feel the same way.
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  Everything. Yeah.
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  I'm 44 now, so 94. Yeah, man, 1980, baby.
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  You look younger than me, Lotion.
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  The whole fucking band. I was gonna bring this up.
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  Yeah, still looks like babies. Like what's the you got like a
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  little you got a Botox guy on fucking on the bus.
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  Just no, man, we, we just started taking our you know, I
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  think almost all of us have either been affected by death
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  directly or it has happened like really, really close to us.
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  So I think all of us just kind of had that wake up call.
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  You know, Derek had severe, severe health problems where
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  he's his whole life reset. Like he drank so much that they
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  did like a control alt delete on him.
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  Fuck. Right, came back to life and
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  then had to relearn guitar, relearn how to walk.
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  This guy's been through this shit.
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  He got fucked up in COVID as well I.
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  Remember, yeah, I had probably one of the easiest bouts with
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  testicular cancer that anybody's ever gone.
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  Through I didn't know about that.
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  That's the thing, I didn't know about it either, right?
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  So I'm, I'm sitting there examining my myself and I'm
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  like, oh, do it. OK, so just take like, so rub.
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  Is it hard? Is it like a pee?
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  Does it move if it doesn't go get checked out?
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  When was this, by the way? Before I give you my fucking.
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  This would have been 3 three years ago I think.
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  Damn, yeah because I found something on my nut from doing
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  the same check. Yeah, freaked out.
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  What happened when Cyst? Oh, lucky.
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  Guess what, girls still there, but like they were like, it's
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  just desist. But I had that whole thing where
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  I was like, when I googled it, I was like, that's it, I'm going
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  to die. People are like, so I'm down
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  one, but you're up one. You're like Craig 3 nut.
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  They take the whole the whole thing off.
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  Oh, no, OK, OK, OK, so you. No, no, no.
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  I mean, did they take your whole?
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  Oh yeah. So the doctor was like, all
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  right, So I within a week I had about two to three strangers
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  touch my testicles, which was super weird.
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  And then, yeah, your hot is my super weird.
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  So I get there and he's like, yo, so this is definitely what I
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  think. I'm still going to do an
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  operational procedure to to be absolutely sure.
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  But I'm just going to tell you right now, if I see what I think
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  this is, we're going to lop it off.
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  And he's like the whole time he was just like, you're going to
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  be fine. This is an extremely, you know,
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  survivable thing. And we're catching it like at a
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  point where it's not spreading anywhere.
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  So you're going to be good. No chemo, nothing like that.
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  Just fucking. I'm just down one.
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  Yeah. Did they pop a little fakey in
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  or they just keep? They gave me the option.
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  And you and they. Gave me that was the first
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  thing. One of my buddies in Pennywise,
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  Fletcher, when I saw him, he was like, so rocking a fake nut or
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  what? And I was like, no man, I'm,
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  I'm, I'm not. He's like, oh, too bad.
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  I wanted to see what it was like.
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  I was like, hey, just so dodged. Dodged a bullet.
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  I got a question about that. Did they put you on testosterone
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  afterwards? Because you're testosterone.
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  No, no, I, I, I have no testosterone supplement anything
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  like. That fucking jacked.
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  Well, I mean, I, I do exercise, that's for sure.
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  Yeah. But I mean at the same time I, I
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  haven't noticed any kind of performance, any kind of
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  testosterone issue. I didn't know if when there was
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  one. I just in my head, I would
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  assume Yeah, yeah, I, I. Thinking of it now, I would
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  assume too, so I don't know. Beard.
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  Yeah, I can see that's a great beard when you let that go.
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  Perfect amount of chest hair, not too much, not too.
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  Little nice, also hot. You can see.
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  Fuck it. But I'm so glad that that, you
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  know, you came out of that relatively unscathed.
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  Yeah, yeah. And the wild thing is too is
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  that when it happened about 3 months earlier, my mother had
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  been been diagnosed with breast cancer.
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  Oh, I'm sorry. So, you know, if there is a God,
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  I I don't know why this person is so obsessed with our private
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  parts. Yeah, Jesus in my family.
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  Yeah, it. Couldn't be fucking.
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  You said it, man. Right before, before we move on,
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  I need to we had an off camera conversation where I was like,
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  do I call you Browns Town or do I call you Dave?
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  Yeah, yeah. OK.
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  So, all right, so to to break down the whole myth or whatever
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  everybody believes. So it doesn't really have
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  anything to do with my skin colour.
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  It just happens to be the same sound that I was asking for the
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  first time we were in the studio as with an engineer named Blair
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  Kali Baba, who did How Far Shallow Takes You by Gob.
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  Another great record. And I was like, what do you
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  want? I'm like, I want it to sound
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  like this. He's like, oh, you want the
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  brown sound by Eddie Van Halen? And what?
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  What is that? Because in my head, the brown
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  Isn't the brown sound supposed to be the noise that makes you
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  shit yourself? That's the brown note, Yeah,
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  Yeah. This is the brown sound.
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  This is the brown sound, Yeah. It's a bigger spectrum.
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  It's yeah, it has more treble in it.
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  Explain the brown sound. So it's essentially a plexi
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  hyped up with gain. Like just biased to to a crazy
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  amount. Standard plexi or modded?
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  It depends, nowadays you probably have to mod it because
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  there aren't as as many plexis available.
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  Unless you're like Jack White and you got like, you know, like
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  15 Maranses will. Be my mate in Nashville, yeah.
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  The guy, yeah. He's a good guy.
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  Yeah, you'll be great. Yeah, just walk out to him.
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  Nowadays you have to mod to get the sound, but it's just
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  essentially having a high gain sound that doesn't get drowned
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  out. So plexis as they have less
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  gain, tend to be a little more punchy.
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  So it's just kind of the the essence of like maintaining that
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  punch, having a thick sound when you're playing rhythm or leads.
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  Whatever, nice, doesn't matter. And then it just stuck.
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  Then it just stuck. The guy said it and then what?
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  The rest of the band was just like Brown sounds or what?
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  What happened? Because Stevo the whole time.
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  So Stevo is, is like, what are we going to call you?
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  Because everybody's got a nickname.
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  I I nicknamed Derek Busy D We called Stevo Stevo 32, because,
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  you know, he was horrible at sports.
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  I didn't know that. But yeah, yeah.
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  So. And then he was like, yeah,
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  we're going to call you black magic.
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  I was like, no. No, I don't think we're doing
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  that. I don't think.
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  We're doing that one, no and then.
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  Imagine if. Your name was black magic.
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  Oh, the we went from like chut. They went from like.
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  Chut. What was chut?
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  We just saw it on this show called Mr. Show.
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  Yeah. And we, yeah, yeah, we.
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  What's his Bobby Cross and Bobby?
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  Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
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  Bobby. And yeah, we saw this character
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  named Chut, and they were like, oh, that's your nickname?
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  When I was like, hey, I guess. How long was Chut?
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  Very short lived until very short.
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  Yeah, yeah, Brown. When brown sound happened, it
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  was like that's that's the one. But yeah, it was brown sound.
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  That would have been 99 I believe 9990. 8 Believe how old
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  you are. Yeah, believe it.
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  You look like I'm not even fucking joking.
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  You look like 28. Oh man, telling you.
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  This is fucking sick. This is this is doing wonders.
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  Do you think it's the pink light?
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  No, I saw you outside. All right, fair enough.
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  Where it was dark, it was dark. No, no, we're good.
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  We're good. OK, fair enough for you.
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  Good for you. The whole fucking band.
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  Because like, I'm drinking a whiskey.
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  This this time requested room temperature water.
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  Which is, by the way, a couple degrees under room temperature.
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  I don't know if you can see that in the cameras.
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  He didn't request room temperature water, but Hayley,
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  the press agent, when I text them to say please let me know
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  what Dave wants as a refreshment, Yeah, it was told
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  to me, room temperature water. And I remember thinking very
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  Wayne's World of him. Yeah, and a cat.
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  A cat and a pepper. Yeah, we got that.
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  We got that. It's good.
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  We're done. We should probably talk about
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  your. Band.
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  Oh yeah, that sounds good. Too much.
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  Too much fucking sweet banter. Yeah, exactly.
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  Yeah, there's chemistry, man. I.
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  Like you, man, I love it. Like sometimes someone comes in,
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  I don't know, we don't know each other.
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  Imagine that we don't know each other.
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  Sometimes someone comes in and I'm like when the fuck is this
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  over? And it's like a band that I love
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  as well. Don't try and guess.
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  No names. No names.
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  No names, but I'm like, just just be cool or and you know
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  what it is almost the almost every time.
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  It's what you said about the red light going on.
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  Yeah. And afterwards they'll tell me
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  some sick story. And I was like, where the fuck
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  were you? We'll say OK, say the name
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  without vowels. There's so many vowels in the
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  name. I'll tell you afterwards, it's
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  absolutely insane that you said that.
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  Fair enough, Fair enough. You.
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  All know. Last tour, yeah.
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  Yes, sad, happy, everything, everything.
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  So playing LA for the last time was crazy.
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  It was it. We started there at at a time
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  where punk had been there and especially pop punk had been
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  there for a long, long time. So we weren't expecting anything
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  from LA. We went and played the Glass
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  House in Pomona. Pomona, yeah.
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  Yeah with with face to face saves the day and New Found
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  Glory fell in love with this crowd.
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  I just. Seen some of what we want at the
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  Glass House. He's so sick.
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  It was it was beautiful man. And and yeah, there was a guy
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  that used to run that place. His name was Rusty.
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  I'm not sure if he's still there, but thank you, Rusty, for
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  all the shows. Thank you.
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  We went back and filmed the Fat lip video there in Pomona
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  because we just started. At the Glass House.
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  Well, not, not at the Glass House.
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  We played the Glass House after fucking outdoors.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we, well, well, the, the
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  video's outdoors. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Sorry about that. Yeah.
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  So we, we ended up going back to the Glass House playing headline
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  and we're just like, we're going to go and film this video here.
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  And the whole premise of the video was like, maybe, I don't
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  know, it could have been summed up in like 5 sentences.
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  It came as as a long treatment, but literally the director could
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  have just been like, people go crazy when you put a camera on
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  them and that was it. That was the premise.
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  So we we just basically pressed record and people just went off.
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  One of the best fucking videos of all time.
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  I think it's just. Becoming dude I I.
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  Thank you very much. I think it's just because of how
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  natural everything kind of happened.
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  Like there was a light thing like that.
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  We were in catering and the director was just like who wants
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  to get their their head shaved and then someone their girl got
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  her head shipped. Same girl gave me her Pomona
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  high school sweatshirt. I traded her a like a famous
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  stars and straps shirt. I still wear that hoodie to this
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  day. That's so cool.
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  Yeah, man, it it this those moments are like the important
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  moments that mean a lot during this career.
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  Was adding pain for pleasure to the end like or intended?
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  Or were you just there and you were like?
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  It eventually was intentional. And I, I'm not sure if it was
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  because Stevo saw a train that kept on going in the background.
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  He's like, oh, look how metal that is with the the train going
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  in the background. And then it just kind of
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  snowballed into yeah. But eventually we were like, you
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  know what, it'd be kind of fun to have a tickle trunk full of.
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  Do you call them tickle trunks? Here.
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  No, I don't know what that is. Sounds horny.
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  It does. Well, once we put on all those
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  tight pants, Yes, yes, it was very horny, but the IT was a
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  tickle trunk filled with Metal Gear.
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  And that's where like we came up with the whole idea of like,
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  maybe this isn't just a 32nd song.
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  Maybe this is a full band with a full history.
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  And I became pleasure, Stevo became pain, Conner became
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  sniper, and Derek became Gunner, right?
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  And we just became this. As soon as we put those wings
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  on, wigs on, we changed into different people.
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  It was. It was like channelling the
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  dead. I remember like, man, what year
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  must that have been like? That would have been 99.
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  We released it 2001 I believe. 2001, Yeah, I was 14.
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  Yes, dude, it was. And you know what?
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  I was a punk kid. Yeah, I love fucking round here.
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  I love Lag Wagon. I loved all that shit.
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  And I was also a metal kid. Yeah.
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  I was unaccepted by any of these.
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  And then that video comes out. Yeah, with both in one.
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  And I was like, see, I'm fucking telling you guys, we're all the
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  same people. Dude, I used to have to hide my
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  my punk rock records underneath my bed.
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  Because from the metal. I played.
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  I played in a death metal band, like, started with death metal
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  band, right? But it wasn't like death metal
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  today was. It was more along the lines of
• 17:04
  like, like Carcass. You know, along the lines of
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  like Carcass hard work, but without the amazing riffs.
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  Without you got riffs, you got riffs.
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  Well, back then, back then it was different, right?
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  But yeah, hanging out with like 40 year olds that would like
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  that would just shit on punk bands.
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  So if I had any punk rock anywhere.
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  They'd be like, yeah, how come the wolves?
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  Yeah, dude, how come the wolves under the.
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  Bed yeah, but I I ran into to one of the guys later it was at
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  a a fair called the Bolton fair in Ontario and all I hear is
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  like Dave, Dave and I'm like, oh, is that such and such?
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  So I I turn and I'm like, Oh my God, dude, how's it going?
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  And some 41 to kind of lift it off at that point and he's like,
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  what's with that punk shit, dude?
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  No way, Yeah, no way. Just calls you out.
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  Just. Straight up at the Bolton Fair.
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  It's a joyous place, right? He's like, he's like, what's
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  with that punk shit dude? I'm like.
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  Still calling you out for it? I don't.
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  Know I'm successful bro we're having I'm having a blast man
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  I'm like I'm playing with like my best friends in.
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  My head. It's a Renaissance fair, by the
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  way. It it could you're.
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  Just like a night. It's oh, I wish.
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  Oh that. That would have been awesome
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  man. He's like an old pig.
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  He's like, what's with that punch?
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  That punk shit Squire, you know? So he goes.
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  You fucking changed man. Oh, one of those.
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  And I'm like, oh man, He's like, yeah, you fucking changed.
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  And then he just took a bite of his cotton candy.
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  Is that real or is that? That bit is absolutely real.
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  He took a bite of his cotton candy, shook his head, and
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  walked off. You should have went What's with
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  the cotton candy? That's the least metal thing you
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  could do. You know what though, he loves
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  cotton candy. He didn't change I I got it
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  handed to him for staying the same over after all those years.
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  Meanwhile, you had. One of those massive bits of
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  meat on a like a renaissance and you're like, I haven't changed
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  bro. Yeah, I was holding my jousting
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  stick, so I I couldn't. Yeah, wait, this is what?
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  I was telling you earlier I was like, it's it's press, but it's
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  not real press. Like we started talking about
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  the last tour and now we're on to Renaissance fairs.
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  Yeah, exactly. What we need to do is come back
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  to the last tour. Absolutely.
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  From Glasgow to Renaissance fairs, Yes, LALA show was crazy.
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  What was the venue for that? That was the YouTube.
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  Theatre. I was going to say, you guys
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  must have been big. Dude, it looked it, it is a
• 19:37
  beautiful place. It looks like an old, like
• 19:39
  gangster hideout where they would go and like, you know,
• 19:41
  book their own acts and this and that.
• 19:44
  And it was just one of the most beautiful shows and one of the
• 19:47
  most moving moments Derek will see.
• 19:51
  It will say something to introduce into deep.
• 19:54
  And for every single one of us at that show kind of had that
• 20:00
  moment where, you know, you start reliving and choking up a
• 20:05
  little bit. And yeah, it it's it it sucks.
• 20:09
  It's amazing to relive those moments.
• 20:13
  And it's I, it's indescribable. There's no real words.
• 20:18
  And I don't think I'll have words for it until you know, the
• 20:21
  everything is done because it's happening every single night.
• 20:25
  The realization that this is the last time we'll be doing this
• 20:28
  here. So.
• 20:28
  US is done. That's.
• 20:30
  US is over. So you got UK, Europe, Yeah, and
• 20:33
  more. Is this it?
• 20:34
  Is this it? And then Australia and then we
• 20:37
  tour. We do what no Canadian band does
• 20:39
  and we tour Canada in the winter.
• 20:42
  I've done it before. It's.
• 20:43
  Horrible. Dude, how about those loadouts?
• 20:47
  Alright, well, you fucking do them, do you?
• 20:49
  No. Well, OK, I play in bands at
• 20:52
  home, so yes, I still do shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so -40 with a
• 20:56
  touching a cabinet handle. Frozen to it like a home alone
• 21:00
  trap. I did see the Northern Lights
• 21:02
  once in Canada on a like a winter tour though.
• 21:05
  That was like the best thing ever.
• 21:06
  I've never seen these things. Probably I saw him in your town.
• 21:09
  I'm starting to think that, you know, maybe I don't know,
• 21:12
  somebody's playing a prank on me.
• 21:13
  Like, oh, tell him about the Northern Lights.
• 21:15
  Tell him you seen him give. Him tested good cancer and make
• 21:17
  it make sure he comes to the fucking Northern Lights.
• 21:19
  Fuck this guy. Sorry that was out.
• 21:21
  That was fucking out of pocket. Also, yeah, yeah, take the part
• 21:24
  of his eyes that sees Northern Lights.
• 21:26
  Yeah, while he's out. That was really out of pocket.
• 21:29
  We met like 40 minutes ago. I'm really fucking sorry.
• 21:31
  No, no, we're good, world, We're good.
• 21:35
  Yeah, you ain't going to get me on that one.
• 21:36
  They're way worse shit than that.
• 21:38
  Fuck. What are you going to do
• 21:39
  afterwards? I mean, that was going to be my
• 21:40
  last fucking question, but we're on the subject.
• 21:42
  Oh, I mean, man. So when I get home, the first
• 21:47
  thing that I'm going to do, and I'm sure you have the same
• 21:49
  thing, is just a phone full of voice memos, waking up in the
• 21:53
  middle of the night going, yeah, totally.
• 21:57
  And yeah, just riffs for days on my computer.
• 22:00
  So I want to work through those, see what's shit, see what's
• 22:03
  good, continue on writing and honestly reach out to people.
• 22:08
  Like during COVID I started reaching out to people and being
• 22:11
  like, hey, do you want to do something together?
• 22:13
  Do you want to do like a song, a cover or something like that
• 22:15
  together? But I think it'd be cool to
• 22:17
  start doing it like with, you know, with actual songs as
• 22:21
  opposed to doing other people's songs.
• 22:23
  Would it be a band or? I don't think it's going to be a
• 22:26
  band. I think.
• 22:27
  I think I want to have fun, you know, kind of like flexing the
• 22:31
  writing muscle. I've spent so much time as kind
• 22:35
  of like a, a player that comes in.
• 22:38
  And so the, the, the songwriting process with Psalm 41 is a
• 22:42
  perfect example because Derek will come with pretty much a
• 22:45
  full song and then be like, hey, I need a solo here.
• 22:48
  Hey, I need something here. And that's where I come in,
• 22:52
  right. So as that goes on, you collect
• 22:55
  riffs and songs. And yeah, I haven't had a time
• 22:58
  to even, I haven't had time to go through and even see what I
• 23:02
  have. There'll just be times on a
• 23:05
  plain just delirious, just just key typing stuff into logic and
• 23:10
  then going back and being like, ah, that's OK, and then shut it
• 23:12
  down, then get back to to life on the road.
• 23:14
  So you think it would just be for fun, you know, have you got
• 23:18
  like a, a plan with this or you just like I want to make music?
• 23:22
  I think the plan for for all of that is to initially have fun
• 23:29
  with it and just live in that moment for a second.
• 23:33
  And then kind of see once the money starts running out, just
• 23:37
  kind of see where I'm at and, and continue on with, with
• 23:40
  something that you know, requires me to be out there and,
• 23:43
  and earning. Let me tell you about that money
• 23:45
  running out. I looked at the fucking credits.
• 23:48
  You're on, fat lip. You know what?
• 23:50
  You're on fat lip. Life has been very, very good to
• 23:53
  me. Me and my, my, my wife.
• 23:56
  We, we live like a a really meager lifestyle.
• 23:59
  We're not, we're not very flashy.
• 24:00
  We like to be able to just travel at a moment's notice.
• 24:03
  So. So living in a bungalow, mowing
• 24:06
  my own lawn and yeah. That's good.
• 24:08
  So on that subject. Yeah, Chuck, yes.
• 24:12
  All songs written by Psalm 41. Yeah, as opposed to what you
• 24:18
  just told me. No, OK, so Derek will do the
• 24:21
  majority of the writing. This is a guy that never takes
• 24:24
  time off. Right.
• 24:25
  Which is what led to, you know, the the end of the band.
• 24:28
  It's like, it's just literally been like wake up.
• 24:31
  Yeah, absolutely. So now we we get to Chuck and it
• 24:38
  it was a little bit more of a of an of a band effort.
• 24:42
  But again, it was, it was like when he brings a demo, it's
• 24:47
  you're kind of sitting there going like, oh, there's not
• 24:49
  really much more we can do to it.
• 24:51
  So I'll try noodling little things here and there and if it
• 24:54
  fits the bill, it fits the bill. I was just interested because
• 24:57
  when I when I was going through the credits, that was the only
• 24:59
  one that popped up that was all Song Sum 41.
• 25:01
  I was like, oh, I wonder if there's a story there.
• 25:03
  I think at that point too, we had fallen out with our manager
• 25:08
  at the time. I did hear about this.
• 25:10
  Yeah. So we were just kind of like, we
• 25:12
  were also like, OK, well, This Is Us.
• 25:14
  You know, this is This Is Us and the band and will be us.
• 25:17
  And this is our answer to somebody being like, yeah,
• 25:20
  trying to stay claim on on things that they didn't really
• 25:25
  have as much to do as they thought they did.
• 25:27
  It's kind of like praying, you know, you guys were young when
• 25:30
  you did the first stuff as well, like.
• 25:31
  Oh, I mean, listen, we fell hook, line and sinker for for
• 25:35
  the whole pitch. The, you know, the, the lessons
• 25:39
  that were taught that had to eventually be unlearned,
• 25:43
  especially with things like publishing, how to split up
• 25:45
  songwriting and stuff and like that, stuff like that and just
• 25:48
  business and how much we need to rely on a manager.
• 25:53
  But yeah, we were very young, very impressionable.
• 25:55
  And I still don't know whether this was a malicious thing by
• 26:05
  our ex manager or if this is how he was taught.
• 26:09
  You know, So what? Was it he was just taking too
• 26:11
  much money? Yeah, yeah.
• 26:12
  Like you talk about generational greed, like is was it taught or
• 26:16
  was it him being like a? Very grassed plan.
• 26:19
  Think about this. Yeah.
• 26:20
  I mean, well it's, it's also, it's also very, very far in the
• 26:23
  past, right. And that that is completely
• 26:26
  separate from the other issues that have come up recently, so.
• 26:31
  This guy should be a fucking politician.
• 26:32
  That was absolutely perfect. While we're on Chuck.
• 26:35
  While we're on Chuck, yes, what was it like getting stuck in the
• 26:38
  Democratic Republic of Congo? Dude, OK, so.
• 26:44
  Because that's the thing that happened.
• 26:45
  This trip was amazing that day we had gone to go see a give me
• 26:50
  the. Whole thing.
• 26:50
  Give me the whole. Give me the, give me the whole.
• 26:52
  Thing so we had found out that hip hop group called the Rascals
• 26:55
  had gone to Sierra Leone and they had gone with a company
• 26:59
  called War child well at NGO and we were like, this is awesome.
• 27:06
  Like we and they approached us and they were like, do you want
• 27:10
  to go? We're like, yeah, they're like,
• 27:13
  OK, come to the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Congo
• 27:16
  with us. And we were like, yeah, yeah,
• 27:18
  we'll go sounds good. What's going on there?
• 27:21
  And so they gave us the the rundown of everything that was
• 27:23
  going on. Everything it had was based
• 27:28
  around the fallout of the the, the conflict between the Lendu
• 27:33
  and the, and the Hima tribes. And we were going there to just
• 27:38
  film a documentary on civil war, the effects of civil war that,
• 27:45
  you know, the everything that was leftover after, you know,
• 27:47
  Larry Devlin and, you know, Patrice Lumumba had fucked the
• 27:51
  Congo in in the 70s. And we we had no idea what we
• 27:59
  were getting into ceasefire at the time.
• 28:02
  Ceasefire at the time. Yeah.
• 28:03
  Yeah. You were going.
• 28:04
  It's kind of kind of weird. Like we land in in the Congo.
• 28:09
  We took a puddle jumper from Uganda.
• 28:11
  It's a. Puddle jumper.
• 28:12
  So it's like a small, small plane.
• 28:14
  The boat that lands on water. Dude, so we we didn't, we didn't
• 28:17
  land on water. We did land on land.
• 28:20
  Damn. But as soon as we land the, the
• 28:23
  pilots like, hey, so that's customs and immigration.
• 28:27
  You got to get through that as fast as possible.
• 28:28
  Do not let them stop you. We're like, what's customs and
• 28:32
  immigration? He's like that.
• 28:33
  We're like that wooden arch. So you just like you're, you're
• 28:38
  out of the country, you're in the country.
• 28:41
  And that's just what we did. So we just got.
• 28:43
  Off the McDonald's side. We got off the plane, hauled ass
• 28:46
  and then just did US just quick like stop because as soon as we
• 28:51
  get there it's just a dirt parking lot and there is a kid
• 28:56
  selling orange Fanta and then a guy straddling a rocket
• 29:00
  launcher. Such a sick combo.
• 29:04
  Like it was like the perfect picture of like what was about
• 29:08
  to happen for this entire trip. And then we get in a, in a van
• 29:14
  and we take this like 3 hour trip that would normally take
• 29:17
  like 25 minutes, but because of, you know, dry and wet seasons,
• 29:21
  the road is just fucked. And we got stopped one time.
• 29:27
  Somebody just laid rocks across the road and then just came up
• 29:31
  to the van with a, with a cut glass and was, and was just
• 29:35
  like, yo, I don't know if you know, they're it's going to cost
• 29:40
  you money to get across this border.
• 29:42
  And they were just like, all right, OK, OK.
• 29:44
  And then word travelled that, you know, mazungas were coming
• 29:48
  through. So just kind of got stopped,
• 29:50
  paid off of people here and there.
• 29:51
  And then yeah, we we had interviews with the UN and every
• 29:56
  single one of them asked me the same question I get when I talk
• 29:59
  about how I support Newcastle United.
• 30:01
  People are like, why? Wow.
• 30:03
  Why are you here? All right, Why are you here?
• 30:05
  I thought they were asking about Newcastle United.
• 30:06
  I didn't know that either. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's true.
• 30:09
  Alan Chearer. Yes, Sir.
• 30:10
  Yeah, exactly. That's why he supports
• 30:12
  Newcastle. Like, if you're old enough, you
• 30:13
  fucking know. Yeah.
• 30:14
  Exactly. Like I support Manchester United
• 30:16
  as a kid. OK, OK, You love drop kicks, but
• 30:20
  I loved Newcastle as well because of Cher.
• 30:22
  Yeah, of course. It's not me, it's a football
• 30:24
  pod, no. Yeah, our, our.
• 30:26
  Salute. A salute, Yeah.
• 30:28
  Thank you. Thank you, buddy.
• 30:29
  Thank you. But yeah, I mean, I mean, once
• 30:31
  we got there, it was so beautiful.
• 30:32
  We did so many things, went to a demilitarization camp to see
• 30:36
  kids that came out of conflict and came out of being a part of
• 30:42
  this just factory of children being put into war situations.
• 30:48
  And, you know, we it. We can go into further details.
• 30:51
  You can watch the documentary. It it's yeah.
• 30:53
  This is a documentary. You can.
• 30:54
  Yeah, it's outlandish what they did to these kids, but by the
• 30:59
  5th or 6th day we were eating dinner and all you hear is like,
• 31:05
  it's almost like a a shovel hitting concrete.
• 31:09
  And we're like looking around and all the Congolese in the
• 31:13
  building just hit the deck and we're like, oh, fuck, OK.
• 31:17
  Fucking bombs. Yeah, so we we well, fucking.
• 31:21
  Punk man bro what the fuck am I doing?
• 31:23
  Exactly from the suburbs, right. So we hit the ground and we're
• 31:27
  just like what is going on? What is going on?
• 31:28
  And then they're just like oh, it's gunfire don't worry, it
• 31:31
  happens from time to time. It'll probably be over in a
• 31:33
  couple hours. Well, 72 hours later, you know,
• 31:38
  we're sitting in one of the hotel rooms and we're I'm
• 31:44
  sitting there writing a letter to my then wife like, hey, this
• 31:48
  has been great. I love you.
• 31:51
  I hope somebody finds this and gets this to you.
• 31:53
  Like left the address. On the book and everything like
• 31:55
  that, you're that scared? Dude we are holy shit.
• 31:58
  We are literally on a hill. So the main road is up here.
• 32:03
  We're on a hill on a in a hotel that is just getting pounded
• 32:08
  with mortars. Oh my gosh.
• 32:10
  Because they don't have like, pinpoint mortar accuracy, right?
• 32:14
  So, and we have the Congolese military and a Rwandan militia
• 32:20
  that have been turned away from the Rwandan border because of
• 32:23
  war crimes. And, you know, they went to
• 32:25
  Rwanda. They were like, yeah, we don't
• 32:26
  want to fucking go back. So they're like, oh, yeah, yeah,
• 32:29
  we'll probably just go back and take over the Congo.
• 32:31
  So that's what they tried to do. And we were just right in the
• 32:34
  middle of it. And if it wasn't for Chuck
• 32:36
  Peltier, a Canadian UN peacekeeper, nobody would have
• 32:41
  made it out of that hotel. 24 hours after we got out, that
• 32:45
  hotel was just overrun. Oh my God.
• 32:48
  Yeah, that God again. Let's give him the fucking
• 32:52
  cancer later. There's a war that's a
• 32:56
  ceasefire, but when he gets there, let's fucking start it
• 32:59
  again. Oh dude.
• 33:00
  And. Remember that fucking man?
• 33:03
  That's not it. I've got a couple more for you.
• 33:05
  Like, dude. So do you remember the bombing
• 33:10
  at Trafalgar Square? Yes.
• 33:12
  We were supposed to be at the Trafalgar Hilton that day, right
• 33:16
  outside of the. So you know how the Trafalgar
• 33:18
  Hilton hugs that one corner? And then there's the the the
• 33:22
  stairs down to the metro. Yeah.
• 33:24
  Where's the underground? Is that what we call it?
• 33:26
  And so we were going to be right there.
• 33:27
  Windows would have been blown out like but we had a guitar
• 33:33
  tech that got busted with hash at the border so we got held up
• 33:38
  like 3 or 4 hours. You were so mad at him and then
• 33:40
  you were so stoked to him. That's so fucking funny.
• 33:44
  Who is he fucking? Then drop him.
• 33:45
  Oh no, I. Know what his name is?
• 33:48
  That's so fucking funny. And then the the last one I'll
• 33:51
  tell you about was we were supposed to, we were on a blink
• 33:55
  a tour with Blink 182 through the States.
• 33:58
  We were supposed to, we had a couple days off.
• 34:00
  We were going to fly back to New York and then fly out of Newark
• 34:03
  back to LA. We ended up pulling down a
• 34:07
  chance to do a song with Tenacious D doing a Christmas
• 34:10
  song. Wow.
• 34:11
  So we're like, well, fuck the press.
• 34:12
  Let's just stay in LA and like, do this.
• 34:16
  Yeah, this is awesome. So we had a great time, like
• 34:19
  hanging out with Jack Black and Kyle Gass and doing this song.
• 34:22
  Wake up the next day and it's my tour manager.
• 34:26
  He's like, turn on the fucking TV.
• 34:28
  The world is on fire and we're like what?
• 34:31
  So we turn on the TV and the fucking World Trade Centers are
• 34:35
  burning. I forgot you were fucked.
• 34:37
  You've been touring for so long. Dude, we were supposed to be on
• 34:41
  that flight out of Newark. No.
• 34:44
  I am dead serious. Dead.
• 34:46
  Dead serious like you talk about brushes with death.
• 34:51
  You've had so. Many.
• 34:52
  It's fucking crazy, right? Oh my God.
• 34:55
  Wait, would Fat Lip have still come out?
• 34:59
  Whoa. No, it was out.
• 35:00
  It was out at that point. Thank.
• 35:01
  God, yeah, yeah, yeah. So.
• 35:05
  That is fucking insane. Crazy, right?
• 35:08
  That's. Fucking amazing.
• 35:09
  Wow. I mean, it's horrible, but.
• 35:11
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. It is crazy how many brushes
• 35:14
  with death. Is that why, when now it's
• 35:16
  ending, you're like, oh, OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we, I guess.
• 35:19
  Yeah, Yeah, I've got. I've got.
• 35:22
  Like nothing that comes close. But when you're talking about
• 35:25
  the war child thing, yes, I've seen the War Child documentary
• 35:28
  and I think it was very similar and probably actually quite
• 35:32
  indicative of the way that we went about it when the charity
• 35:35
  said, hey, do you want to give us some money?
• 35:38
  And we were like, no, we'll just come, yeah, we'll just come do
• 35:41
  the thing. Yeah.
• 35:41
  Like I think that, like the documentary probably LED
• 35:45
  subconsciously a lot into that decision of just like, yeah,
• 35:48
  we'll just go do it. Yeah.
• 35:49
  Not that we were thinking like, no, we'll go terribly.
• 35:51
  But like, that's the right in my head.
• 35:53
  That's the right thing to do. I don't want to just Chuck
• 35:55
  money. I want to like, I'll give you
• 35:56
  money. But also like, yeah, I need to
• 35:58
  experience this to really. So we went to Kenya to give
• 36:02
  clean water to a bunch of water filters.
• 36:05
  It was a hardcore help foundation.
• 36:06
  It was. Nice to.
• 36:07
  Give water filters to like places outside of Kenya that
• 36:13
  didn't have clean water. They taught us how to do it and
• 36:16
  then we went and we did it and we went and it's just all women
• 36:20
  there collecting the things. And I said to the guy, Rico was
• 36:23
  with us. Oh, what's what's the deal?
• 36:24
  Like, why is everyone women or like, it's considered the
• 36:27
  woman's job to do it here? And was like, OK, fair enough.
• 36:30
  Different, different culture, whatever.
• 36:31
  And then there's like three guys there with AK-40 sevens.
• 36:34
  Yeah, me and Ed are photographer.
• 36:36
  Look at them. And one of them goes like this.
• 36:38
  And we were like, Oh my God, That's right.
• 36:41
  Yeah. We can't tell anyone that just
• 36:42
  happened. Or do we tell people?
• 36:44
  I don't think we told anyone. So then we're doing the giving
• 36:47
  out the war filters. And one of the guys comes over
• 36:49
  to me and he's like, what is this?
• 36:51
  And I was like as a war filter. And he was like, I want one.
• 36:55
  And the guy's got a gun and he was like, I want 1.
• 36:57
  And I was like, I went over to Rico the guy and I was like,
• 37:00
  Hey, can I give this guy one because he doesn't have any.
• 37:01
  He was like, no, that like don't don't give that guy anything.
• 37:04
  And I was like, I'm going to argue with the guy.
• 37:06
  So like I basically I was like, let me see what I can do.
• 37:11
  And if there was a bunch of like broken ones everywhere.
• 37:14
  And I like, pieced together a bit from one and bit like a bit
• 37:18
  broken bit from that one, added it to a, you know, sorry, the
• 37:21
  bit that worked from that one, I took the bit that worked from
• 37:23
  that one and made another one and gave it to him.
• 37:25
  And then he left. Yeah.
• 37:26
  And then afterwards, like, we're at dinner and I'm like, you
• 37:29
  know, these guys, who were they? And he was like, oh, they were
• 37:32
  ISIS recruiters. And I was like, oh, I just gave
• 37:34
  clean water to ISIS, dude. I just gave fucking Evian to
• 37:41
  ISIS. Cut that.
• 37:43
  Keep it in, keep it in and make it exactly after the 911 bit.
• 37:48
  Oh man, oh what a hard realise I.
• 37:51
  Know they are fucking refreshed, let me tell you.
• 37:54
  At that point where you did, you just push your food away and go.
• 37:56
  Like, oh cool. Meanwhile, they're like,
• 38:03
  delicious. What should we do today?
• 38:04
  Well done, all right, This got fucking bad real quick.
• 38:08
  I want to talk collaborations, yes, because some 41 has had
• 38:13
  some insane collaborations and like stuff like you must be in
• 38:19
  like a really reflective stage or maybe not yet.
• 38:22
  It comes in waves for sure. It's.
• 38:25
  Coming. Yeah.
• 38:25
  You go home. Ohh trust me, trust me.
• 38:28
  It's coming. Hand on my sons shoulder like.
• 38:31
  How old your son? He is 16.
• 38:33
  So I I inherited both my kids when I met my current current.
• 38:37
  Well, we call each other wife and and husband, but I mean,
• 38:39
  we're we're engaged. So yeah.
• 38:41
  Yeah, counts. It's our second, it's our second
• 38:43
  goal for both of us so. Do they play music?
• 38:45
  My boy makes beats. He's under.
• 38:47
  I'm that cola. Yeah.
• 38:49
  Yeah. And his beats are actually
• 38:51
  awesome. Yeah.
• 38:53
  Like, he's really getting into 90s R&B beats lately, which are,
• 38:59
  and he's like, he nails it every time.
• 39:01
  Yeah, good sense of melody. Like he he's really, he's he
• 39:07
  takes any kind of like mix advice on board, but does his
• 39:11
  own thing with it, you know what I mean?
• 39:13
  It's not it, not it. It's not me being like, oh, you
• 39:15
  gotta do this, you gotta do this.
• 39:17
  He's he's really good. Yeah, he.
• 39:18
  Do good to take advice from you though.
• 39:20
  Yeah, you've been around the block.
• 39:21
  Yeah, and then a 20 year old daughter, yeah doing psych.
• 39:24
  So when both of us are out of the music industry, she can help
• 39:28
  us out. She.
• 39:29
  Can help you out immediately day, day 2 after tour.
• 39:31
  Like, OK, I'm fucked up. Yeah, I want to talk about some
• 39:35
  of their collaborations that I know of and I've seen.
• 39:38
  And just like I want to help you to remember you've done some
• 39:42
  fucking sick shit. Yeah, sometimes I forget.
• 39:44
  So what we're going to start with, OK, is I believe it was an
• 39:47
  MTV Music Awards or an MTV something.
• 39:49
  The MTV 20th I think you're talking about.
• 39:51
  You played with Tommy Lee and Rob Halford.
• 39:55
  Absolutely. How?
• 40:04
  I guess? Why just all of it?
• 40:07
  Give me. So we we worked with this genius
• 40:11
  called Louis Largent. Him and a guy named Rob
• 40:14
  Stevenson split the A&R work. And we got invited to go and
• 40:19
  play this MTV 20th because it was like old and new.
• 40:22
  What year is this this? Oh, I can't even remember.
• 40:24
  Simon. Yeah, you'd have to put it up on
• 40:27
  on the like just do you have like flashing graphics?
• 40:31
  I'm going to, yeah, I'm going to.
• 40:32
  We're going to do some little. I want a little stitch some
• 40:34
  stuff. This would be so nice.
• 40:35
  It was the deal like Sparkles will come out like.
• 40:38
  Simon, can you do that? It was the.
• 40:39
  Year. There we go.
• 40:42
  That's fine. Yeah, we'll just do that anyway.
• 40:43
  Carry on. So we had we've been approached
• 40:50
  to do this MTV 20th party where like we got to do something
• 40:53
  really cool. And Lewis was just like, OK, why
• 40:56
  don't you be the band that does a medley of the beginning to
• 41:00
  now? And we were like, that's pretty
• 41:03
  awesome. He's like, just play, you know,
• 41:06
  the songs that you love. So we we were like, OK, well,
• 41:10
  obviously we mentioned Priest and Fat Lip.
• 41:16
  We were fans of Mötley Crüe and, you know, we were like Beastie
• 41:20
  Boys, of course, 'cause our heads were, were very much like,
• 41:24
  Hello Nasty had come out like three years previous and we were
• 41:27
  still, yeah, still rocking it, like rocking it hard.
• 41:30
  And to this day, that band is incredible.
• 41:32
  So we put this medley together and he was just kind of like,
• 41:34
  what if, Like, why don't we just like, ask if they'll play with
• 41:40
  you? We're like, yeah, why not?
• 41:43
  So Island reached out to Rob. They reached out to Tommy.
• 41:47
  Both were a resounding yes. They reached out to the Beastie
• 41:50
  Boys. They were a resounding no.
• 41:52
  And we were like, OK, yeah, yeah.
• 41:54
  We were like, OK, here we go. It checks out. 100% right.
• 41:59
  So we we rehearsed it like and we got to rehearse with Tommy
• 42:04
  and and Rob. So fucking sick bro.
• 42:07
  Yeah, dude, the energy in the whole building changed when
• 42:12
  those guys came in, right? So Rob walks in and and he's
• 42:16
  like, OK, well, we got to do some sort of move here.
• 42:18
  Like we're going to do something cool.
• 42:21
  Like, what do you guys want to do?
• 42:22
  You want to do like a pyramid? We're like, yeah, yeah.
• 42:25
  So each of us like Rob, he's got the mic and he's like, OK, lean
• 42:31
  up against me. So we lean up and he's like
• 42:33
  really leaning into Cone, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 42:40
  So we were just kind of go, oh, Cone.
• 42:41
  Yeah, man. And when Tommy came in the room,
• 42:43
  he was just like, what's up with that Tommy Lee voice?
• 42:48
  And and just we were having drinks and we did this thing and
• 42:52
  dude, the night went off. It was crazy.
• 42:56
  We went our dream. Like if you had a dream dinner
• 42:59
  party, those two are fucking in it.
• 43:01
  It was. Crazy, man.
• 43:02
  And they were just so open and like Rob pulled us aside like a
• 43:06
  little bit afterwards and was just like, listen, Tommy is a
• 43:11
  show stealer, all right? So listen to me right now.
• 43:16
  You do not want the biggest part of your performance to be Tommy
• 43:21
  Lee. You want it to be some 41 and it
• 43:24
  was a little bit of like a a massive lesson and a wake up
• 43:28
  call too, where it was like, Oh yeah, you're right.
• 43:31
  And also pretty bitchy that I just, I just imagined Rob
• 43:34
  Halpert to be like that. This guy has been super kind to
• 43:39
  us through our our whole career and just he'll just drop little
• 43:44
  tidbits of advice on bands, I guess like that.
• 43:46
  And yeah, to this day, like it's a it was a pretty important.
• 43:49
  Lesson He's a dream guest. Oh, I I just reach out.
• 43:53
  To him, Have you read his book? No, not yet.
• 43:55
  His book is absolutely fucking insane.
• 43:58
  Like I need him in that chair. Like because in his book he just
• 44:01
  says all this insane shit he's done.
• 44:03
  I'm like, this guy's a fucking legend.
• 44:05
  He's AG, man. Absolutely.
• 44:07
  Yeah, that's fucking cool. So we played it and we got to
• 44:11
  meet like a bunch of our favorite people in the world.
• 44:14
  I I ran into Jacoby from Papa. Roach, I know him.
• 44:18
  He's a fucking big Stray fan. He's such a nice fucking boy.
• 44:21
  Yeah, absolutely. Well, we got the chance to get
• 44:23
  blown off a stage by them for a whole tour and through Canada,
• 44:28
  but that's that's another, that's another story.
• 44:30
  But I ended up going to the bathroom before we left the the
• 44:34
  MTV 20th to go to, I think we were going to Niagara actually
• 44:37
  back in the day. And he's down there and he's
• 44:41
  just like, do, do, do. You'll never guess who I'm
• 44:44
  hanging out with. And I'm like, who are you
• 44:47
  hanging out with? He's like, you'll never guess
• 44:49
  I'm like then tell me is. This Jacoby saying this, yeah, I
• 44:52
  can see him. It's such a good impression of
• 44:55
  that mannerisms. And he's so excited, right?
• 44:57
  And he's like, dude, just wait. Just wait.
• 45:00
  I'm not going to tell you. You just got to wait.
• 45:02
  With his big hair, I'm going to see.
• 45:04
  It out from a stall walks Ace freely, right, Ace freely of
• 45:10
  kiss for those of you that that don't know what I'm talking
• 45:13
  about, but he walks out and he's just like Jacoby.
• 45:17
  When is that cab getting here and when is my wife getting
• 45:21
  outside and Jacoby's like he thinks he's outside.
• 45:26
  He thinks he's waiting for a cab.
• 45:27
  Dude, he's fucking wasted. We're just sitting there like
• 45:32
  this is like a Cub episode, just coaching Ace through the fact
• 45:36
  that yo, no dude, you were actually in the basement of a
• 45:38
  building in the bathroom. Let's go get you to do a cab.
• 45:41
  Fucking sick. Oh my God, that couldn't have
• 45:45
  been like I wanted to ask that question.
• 45:46
  Like how was that night? Couldn't have asked.
• 45:49
  For a better fucking That night was crazy.
• 45:52
  Next collab? Yes.
• 45:53
  Ludicrous. Saturday Night Live?
• 45:55
  You won't. Work with me.
• 45:57
  I'm going to tell you one time. Don't with me man.
• 46:01
  This was one of my favourites. Ludacris's camp was very, very
• 46:06
  high for the whole, for the whole short process.
• 46:10
  I think the most that we got to do really was so we played SNL,
• 46:15
  we we played the song with him. And I mean, what an incredible
• 46:20
  MC dude. Yeah, he's amazing and like a
• 46:22
  guy, he's fucking sick as well. Yeah, he came into the studio
• 46:25
  and did one pass, did outtakes, and then the producer at the
• 46:30
  time was like, so do you want to go in and do any punches?
• 46:33
  He's like no, takes the headphones.
• 46:36
  I can see that as well. $80,000 Mic and then just bounces so
• 46:42
  serious. That's it.
• 46:44
  Yeah, I, I So you know what do? You track that in a studio and
• 46:47
  then. So yeah, we tracked, we tracked
• 46:49
  it all up. Yeah, tracked it all up.
• 46:51
  And then he just came in, did the verses and yeah, he, he
• 46:54
  crushed it. Like, just him in general.
• 47:01
  Like I remember back in the day on like on cribs and stuff.
• 47:04
  Yeah, he was just so funny, as well as being like such a sick
• 47:08
  rapper. I was just like, this guy's
• 47:09
  fucking sick. That's why when I look, when I'm
• 47:11
  like looking at the list of bands you collab with, I'm like,
• 47:14
  you are living my dream. Yeah, like absolutely.
• 47:17
  So sick. And he, he took that into his
• 47:20
  lyrics and his presentation too, which was like, I wouldn't call
• 47:24
  it lighthearted, but it was like he had a, there was like a sharp
• 47:30
  humour to him. Yeah.
• 47:31
  That he would that he, that I I really liked about his style.
• 47:35
  Fuck, yeah. Yeah.
• 47:36
  OK, next one. Yeah.
• 47:37
  Absolutely upstaged. But not even no, not upstage is
• 47:41
  the wrong word. Overshadowed by hero Chad
• 47:46
  Kroger. Oh, Spider Man soundtrack.
• 47:50
  Kerry King solo. Overshadowed for a reason, the
• 47:59
  song isn't the strongest song. Carrie King, but.
• 48:02
  Getting to work with Carrie King was unbelievable.
• 48:05
  Was it like, because this is still what's that, 2000
• 48:08
  something? Is this?
• 48:09
  Were you in the studio together? Did you meet each other?
• 48:11
  We so no, he he kind of he played the solo in a studio in
• 48:16
  LA. We had the track.
• 48:17
  Actually, we did track in LA, but we were gone by the time he
• 48:20
  came in to do the solo. But that song we did with Rick
• 48:23
  Rubin. Yeah, Rick Rubin comes up to me.
• 48:26
  He's like, hey, I want to show you something.
• 48:28
  So he takes me to this cardboard box and he's like, I got these
• 48:32
  pedals and he starts showing me these pedals and I'm like, this
• 48:35
  is fucking rad. He's like, yeah, have you heard
• 48:38
  of this one before? I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, this
• 48:39
  is cool. So we're like, we're seriously
• 48:41
  like blowing down on pedals. And it was it, it was a really
• 48:44
  beautiful approach to take me into the studio and, and kind
• 48:49
  of, you know, make me feel good, right.
• 48:51
  So he's like, have you seen this type of guitar?
• 48:53
  I'm like, Oh yeah, yeah, I've seen one of those that's kind of
• 48:55
  cool. We're playing.
• 48:57
  He's like, oh, yeah, yeah, that's cool.
• 48:58
  Yeah, I know that riff. And then he's like, oh, come
• 49:01
  with me to come with me to the kitchen.
• 49:05
  I, I have something to show you. I'm like, oh, cool.
• 49:08
  I'm going to get like, maybe he's going to show me like his
• 49:10
  grilled cheese recipe, something like that.
• 49:12
  It's going to be rad, right? And he opens up the fridge and
• 49:14
  he's like, look at this. And it's just a bright light
• 49:17
  behind a fridge filled with bottled water.
• 49:22
  It's just filled to the brim like you would see in like a,
• 49:25
  like a convenience store, right? And I'm like, yeah, that's cool,
• 49:31
  man. It's a lot of water.
• 49:32
  He's like, oh, no, no, no, no. Look at the label.
• 49:36
  So I read the label. It's like Canadian Music Water,
• 49:40
  which is a real brand. You could probably just flash to
• 49:43
  that as well. But it's like, it was, it was
• 49:46
  all that was the punch line that he, he took me on this whole
• 49:51
  tour of the studio, took me back to the kitchen.
• 49:53
  It was just like Canadian Music, water.
• 49:57
  That was. It that was it.
• 49:58
  That was it. My God, it's like fun and.
• 50:01
  Obviously, if you like Mr. Show, that's probably the funniest
• 50:04
  thing that's ever fucking happened.
• 50:06
  It was, it was, it was awesome. It made me laugh.
• 50:08
  And then, yeah, I mean. Why did he?
• 50:10
  He did it for a joke or he did it to make you feel at home or
• 50:13
  what? Like I.
• 50:13
  Think both I think to get a like to get a laugh and make me feel
• 50:19
  at home like this guy like he's got a good mind on him for for
• 50:24
  making people feel comfortable and I had.
• 50:26
  You going? There's a lot of water, bro.
• 50:29
  Yeah, this is. Yeah, it's cool, man.
• 50:31
  There's a fridge full of water that's.
• 50:34
  So fucking funny. I don't know what we're going to
• 50:36
  do, but yeah. And then the I liked working
• 50:39
  with him because we had a couple more conversations than I think
• 50:44
  maybe the other guys did. He is a very hands off producer,
• 50:47
  but I think he is hands on until he feels like you've got it.
• 50:53
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 50:53
  So I I, I really liked working with him and I was going.
• 50:56
  To say did he do any weird Rick Rubin shit?
• 50:58
  But you just told me the weirdest talking Rick Rubin shit
• 51:01
  I've ever heard. And honestly the stories I hear
• 51:03
  about him are more he's more on the the psychological side and
• 51:09
  good ear side. What was he with?
• 51:11
  Production when he oh was it was the blue.
• 51:13
  Jeans, white. White shirt.
• 51:15
  Nice, yeah. Absolutely.
• 51:16
  Barefoot or what? No, he had shoes on.
• 51:19
  I just can't remember. I couldn't see that.
• 51:21
  The light in the fridge was too bright.
• 51:24
  I couldn't see his shoes. Oh.
• 51:28
  That's so good. I was about to say I got a bone
• 51:29
  to pick you, but it's actually a solidarity bone to share with
• 51:33
  you. Hit me, man.
• 51:34
  I am a Larsa work apologist. I love him, love his playing.
• 51:40
  Metallica is my favorite band of all time.
• 51:42
  I will hear no slander. Now I know that you're in your
• 51:45
  corner with Kirk. Yeah, A. 100% I.
• 51:48
  Just wanted to just put out there that we're on the same
• 51:50
  team, we're fighting the same fight, different corners, we're
• 51:54
  in the same fucking fight. I love Lars too, man Absolutely.
• 51:58
  Oh, no way. From the King himself when you
• 52:01
  get a feel. Played at Daytona, Florida last
• 52:06
  year or the year before. No way, the guy.
• 52:10
  It was I made AI made AT shirt. That was, it was actually Ben
• 52:14
  Royal Blood I made AT shirt. There's like a wrestling shirt
• 52:18
  style shirt, you know, like a like a Undertaker shirt or
• 52:22
  whatever. But it just said Lars Ulrich and
• 52:24
  it had pictures of like sick pictures of like nineties, 80s
• 52:27
  Lars dude, Ben from Royal Blood wore it to a show they were
• 52:32
  playing with Metallica. Yeah.
• 52:35
  And Lars saw it and was like, what the fuck is that?
• 52:37
  And then Ben obviously tells him that it comes from me.
• 52:40
  Yeah. Lars gives him a pair of sticks
• 52:42
  to give to me. A very kind person that listens
• 52:45
  to the podcast made me this cool fucking Metallica stand for
• 52:48
  them. And then Lars's wife reaches out
• 52:53
  to Ben to ask for six of the T-shirts in various sizes.
• 52:59
  So I know full fucking well a whole Family Ulrich has one of
• 53:05
  those T-shirts and somewhere there is a photo of Entire
• 53:10
  Family Ulrich in my fucking T-shirt and I just need to get
• 53:13
  it. That is amazing.
• 53:16
  That's way better than my Kirk Hammett story.
• 53:18
  What's your Kirk Hammett story? Well, I went up to him.
• 53:20
  I was wearing my favorite jacket at the times.
• 53:22
  At the time, it was like a, a beautiful, like brown metallic
• 53:27
  leather jacket. I think there's a picture of the
• 53:29
  two of us together with me wearing it.
• 53:32
  And he's like, hey, nice jacket. And I'm like, ah, thanks man.
• 53:36
  Thanks, Kurt Hammond. And then we just started talking
• 53:38
  about he was like, oh, I'm like, what are you up to lately?
• 53:40
  He's like, oh, I'm learning how to surf.
• 53:41
  I'm doing this, I'm doing that. I'm like, I was, this is a while
• 53:44
  ago. Yeah, this is a long time ago.
• 53:45
  So he was like, we had just done the Metallica icons thing and he
• 53:49
  was like, yeah, I'm like getting into reggae.
• 53:52
  I'm like, oh damn, dude. Like I love reggae.
• 53:54
  Like I'm raised. I'm West Indian, so I'm raised
• 53:57
  on reggae. And he's like, Oh yeah, yeah,
• 54:00
  It's like, give me some, give me some people to check out.
• 54:02
  So I give him some people to check out.
• 54:04
  And then maybe two to three days later, Jacket goes missing.
• 54:09
  Wait, what do you mean? So maybe Lars Ulrich is wearing
• 54:12
  the shirts you design. Maybe Kurt Hammett is like.
• 54:15
  Two to three you with each other for those two to three days, No.
• 54:18
  What do you mean two to three days later?
• 54:19
  Like where are you when it goes missing?
• 54:21
  No idea, I can't remember where I went.
• 54:23
  Missing. Did it go missing that night?
• 54:24
  No, it didn't. Maybe.
• 54:25
  Who knows? I feel like he could pull in
• 54:27
  someone to steal that fucking jacket.
• 54:29
  That's what I'm saying. They got all the fucking money
• 54:31
  in the world. That's what I'm saying.
• 54:32
  Hey, my day-to-day, Yeah, this guy with the jacket, I really
• 54:37
  want fucking make it happen. Yeah, there we go.
• 54:40
  What song did you do? An icon.
• 54:42
  Oh, so we did like, like fucking pivotal in my teenage.
• 54:45
  Years, dude, we did a medley, right?
• 54:54
  So again, we we were like, oh, let's do a medley.
• 54:57
  Same guy that asked us to do MTV 20th, Jesse Ignadovich asked us
• 55:01
  to do the the Metallica icons. So we were like, yeah, yeah.
• 55:05
  So we put together this this medley and recorded it in a
• 55:08
  sound check, send it off to him. And he was like, this is
• 55:11
  amazing. So it got sent to Metallica.
• 55:14
  Metallica was like, oh, add Enter Sandman to this.
• 55:17
  We're walking out to this sick. Yeah.
• 55:19
  And we were like, oh, fuck. All right, so.
• 55:22
  I love the fact you didn't do any of the Sandman until they
• 55:24
  asked. Oh well, it's a great song.
• 55:26
  It's a great song, but. I love that song too.
• 55:28
  It's a great song, yeah. However, yeah, if you're asking
• 55:31
  me to play Metallica songs, I'm not picking that one.
• 55:33
  Exactly. Yeah.
• 55:34
  So we so we, we did. We did Bells.
• 55:37
  They walked out while we played. Enter Sandman.
• 55:39
  And then we cut to the the solo and Master of Puppets.
• 55:43
  You got all the heat. Dude, we, I, we were listening
• 55:48
  back to our sound check. They had taped it and played it
• 55:50
  back just to like go and do levels and stuff like that.
• 55:53
  And I'm just sitting there listening.
• 55:56
  I'm like, holy shit, like this is like a crazy moment.
• 56:01
  And then all of a sudden I hear beside me was like, oh man, I
• 56:05
  thought that was us until I heard that the solo was played
• 56:08
  right. And I was about to fucking
• 56:11
  launch into this person. Like, you know what?
• 56:13
  Kirk Hammett's a fucking dude. You don't fucking know.
• 56:17
  Look. And then I'm like, oh, it's
• 56:18
  James. I guess he can say things like
• 56:20
  that. That's so fucking sad.
• 56:22
  I knew it was going to be changed for me.
• 56:24
  All he does is dog on the other two.
• 56:25
  It was like. That's so sick.
• 56:29
  Super surreal moment. And you met everyone.
• 56:32
  It was wild. It was wild.
• 56:34
  And I will say this, I won't mention the band's name.
• 56:38
  You can say in the comments or whatever who you think it was.
• 56:41
  Nice algorithm. Nice.
• 56:43
  Yeah, one band had to stop the performance.
• 56:49
  I think it was three times and then eventually had to go into
• 56:53
  the studio, re record it and then have the live performance
• 56:56
  pieced together by the three times that they.
• 56:58
  Is that icons? It was on icons.
• 57:01
  I don't know the answer, but I'm guessing it was corn.
• 57:05
  I'll never tell. And I'll take the bullet, David
• 57:09
  Silvira, Ira Corn. I'll put my fucking mortgage on
• 57:13
  the fact it was corn. I remember who was, who else was
• 57:15
  that? Limp Bizkit was on that.
• 57:17
  I can't remember who else it was.
• 57:18
  Fucking corn. Come get me.
• 57:20
  Also, please come on the podcast Babysitter has left.
• 57:22
  Your band is fine. Somebody's do the click.
• 57:24
  I remember. Don't.
• 57:25
  Don't come get me. I mean, yeah, I'm not confirming
• 57:28
  anything. I love corn now.
• 57:30
  They've got a good drummer. We're going to do a dream
• 57:32
  festival. It's a, it's an old segment of
• 57:34
  the podcast, OK, especially as you're a, you know, a schooled
• 57:38
  musician. It's been around the block for
• 57:40
  ages. We are going to curate a
• 57:44
  fantastical festival. What country is it in?
• 57:48
  OK. So country wise I would probably
• 57:52
  go. Your country, you can go city
• 57:55
  also, it can be completely is a dream you like wake up from the
• 57:58
  end of this Yeah, it's like it can not happen.
• 58:01
  People have picked. People who are dead, people have
• 58:03
  picked. And people from all over the
• 58:05
  earth are coming to this thing, right?
• 58:06
  Yes. OK, so.
• 58:07
  You want to come in. I would probably go Czech
• 58:10
  Republic. Nice.
• 58:11
  Yeah, absolutely. And what's the reason there?
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  I do love the grounds that rock for people.
• 58:17
  I was going to say rock for people.
• 58:18
  Absolutely so, but do I have to like pick bands and shit like
• 58:21
  that? We'll get into that, don't
• 58:23
  worry. All right, all right.
• 58:24
  So I would say, I would say check for people.
• 58:27
  It's going to be rock for people.
• 58:28
  Czech Republic, yeah. You're going to upgrade those
• 58:30
  dressing rooms a little bit or what?
• 58:31
  Because they kind of. This is where it gets amazing,
• 58:35
  right? OK, so I think that every single
• 58:37
  band, whether you're on small stage, side stage, whatever,
• 58:41
  you're playing all right, bathrooms have to be up to
• 58:45
  stuff. Every single band gets a shower
• 58:50
  and a toilet. Are you, are you saying this
• 58:52
  from Rockford people? You're saying this you want?
• 58:55
  Oh. No, I'm saying this is our dream
• 58:56
  fest. I was going to say.
• 58:56
  Because I was a rock. Rock for people last year.
• 58:58
  Yeah, yeah. So no, I didn't get that.
• 59:00
  Nobody, nobody gets just a tent. Everybody gets something.
• 59:04
  Nice. Where if it's raining, If it's
• 59:06
  super hot, you can go in and be OK.
• 59:09
  Bands get taken care of. So why do you like the grounds a
• 59:12
  lot for people so much? Just because of how open it is,
• 59:15
  the proximity of the stages that kind of.
• 59:18
  Cool, cool hill. Like you can kind of see and
• 59:21
  when you're sound checking, you can kind of hear what's going on
• 59:23
  over there and you see the masses of people coming to your
• 59:27
  stage. Exactly.
• 59:28
  But if we could grow that to be. Yeah, now you're cooking.
• 59:33
  Where it has like the the unknown?
• 59:37
  What's around the corner of like, Ziggit Fest?
• 59:40
  OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 59:41
  Because there was times where like I, I was walking around
• 59:44
  Ziggit Fest at night and I saw a UFO where somebody, I don't know
• 59:48
  what happened with the UFO during the day, but just down
• 59:52
  the road from that and left you go down a hill and there's a
• 59:55
  whole LSD section of the festival where people are just
• 59:59
  tripping out and listening to music and it's just like.
• 1:00:01
  Did you go there before you saw a UFO?
• 1:00:04
  Yes, excellent. OK, so let's we'll take rock for
• 1:00:08
  people grounds and then we'll make it like maybe a bigger hill
• 1:00:11
  at the in the middle. Yeah, and more different shit
• 1:00:14
  around. More yeah, more around the
• 1:00:16
  corner weirdness so. Give it like a Harry Potter
• 1:00:19
  vibe. Let's go.
• 1:00:21
  I'm just talking magic. Yes.
• 1:00:24
  In a minute. I said it.
• 1:00:25
  I was like, that's like fucking London, Yeah.
• 1:00:28
  That's true, yeah. I mean, let's go and let's give
• 1:00:31
  it just a Teletubbies vibe, Hunter S Thompson vibe.
• 1:00:36
  LSD. Yeah, where it's just like
• 1:00:38
  everything around the corner is like I, there's no way I would
• 1:00:40
  have expected. I've got mushrooms, yeah.
• 1:00:43
  Yeah, we should have taken mushrooms at the start and
• 1:00:45
  really got to this. No whiskey pre show but
• 1:00:47
  mushrooms I can't. I can't see anything going
• 1:00:49
  wrong. Ruins it.
• 1:00:50
  OK, next my favorite question. OK, what is?
• 1:00:54
  And again, it's a dream. What is catering?
• 1:00:58
  What do you fucking want for food?
• 1:01:00
  I think that everybody gets the custom order, so pre arrival at
• 1:01:05
  the festival every single band is like this is what we want.
• 1:01:08
  OK, So what is yours? Oh man, of course pre show it's
• 1:01:11
  going to be some sort of lean meat, vegetable, carb something
• 1:01:16
  right? They can pipe.
• 1:01:17
  There's a dream, by the way. They can pipe in your favorite
• 1:01:19
  fast food or restaurant or any of this shit or catering.
• 1:01:22
  Well that would be after the show, especially if it's a day
• 1:01:24
  off. I'll get them to fly my dad in
• 1:01:27
  and with a Karachi and a propane element and cook either goat or
• 1:01:33
  beef Curry. And goat Curry, yeah.
• 1:01:35
  We'll get my mom to make the roti on the side like the clap
• 1:01:38
  paratha. I'm coming.
• 1:01:40
  Yeah, man, that's like fucking shit.
• 1:01:45
  Scotland, Glasgow in particular, pretty fucking good for that
• 1:01:47
  shit. This is what I've heard.
• 1:01:49
  Pretty fucking yeah. So good West Indian food out
• 1:01:51
  here. Yeah, I wonder if you can get a
• 1:01:53
  runner to get you some shit. Oh, no, I mean, we, we got we
• 1:01:57
  got a show tomorrow too. So yeah, I can't be.
• 1:01:59
  Can't be eating Yeah more. It counteracts the lotion.
• 1:02:03
  And then I start looking, you know, I start look at my age,
• 1:02:05
  Yeah. You'd think it would do the
• 1:02:07
  opposite. That was in the.
• 1:02:08
  Bloodline. It's like it should be giving
• 1:02:11
  him more powers. You'd think that, wouldn't you?
• 1:02:13
  But no, no, no. God damn, but I'm happy that
• 1:02:16
  they're here. They're catering the festival.
• 1:02:19
  Next up, we want to talk about what's your accommodation now
• 1:02:23
  you And again, it's a dream, but like, you got a hotel, you got
• 1:02:28
  AU. Like some people are like, I
• 1:02:29
  love camping. I'm like, shut the fuck up,
• 1:02:32
  you're an idiot. Yo, dude.
• 1:02:34
  Which I mean, to be honest, yeah, I hate camping.
• 1:02:38
  I was going to say I kind of like, you know, fuck that shit.
• 1:02:40
  Just waking up all try and like. So your dream festival, you play
• 1:02:45
  the show? What?
• 1:02:47
  Where's your dream accommodation about hotel?
• 1:02:50
  Back to a hotel in Prague. Oh, back to Prague.
• 1:02:52
  Yeah. Nice.
• 1:02:53
  Yeah, Yeah. Where the clock tower is.
• 1:02:54
  Maybe one of those ones? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:57
  Maybe on the Riverside, yeah. Pop out.
• 1:03:00
  No, you know, you know exactly the shit I mean, fuck yeah,
• 1:03:04
  exactly the weird shit. I mean.
• 1:03:05
  Well travelled, gentlemen. OK, headliners.
• 1:03:09
  Oh fuck. And this is where you give me.
• 1:03:11
  Basically, you have 3 fucking favorite bands of all time.
• 1:03:14
  That's the bit I'm doing here. Man, I would have to say
• 1:03:23
  showmanship wise it would have to be.
• 1:03:27
  Dead or alive, by the way. Well, some are going to be dead
• 1:03:30
  for sure. Like, cool, cool.
• 1:03:32
  They're dead. That's awesome.
• 1:03:34
  The Whalers backing like pretty much all my favorite reggae
• 1:03:38
  artists. You.
• 1:03:39
  You bringing the big man back? Yeah, so he would he would be
• 1:03:42
  back, but he would have to relinquish the mic to like
• 1:03:45
  Toots, you know, like. You're gonna make the you're
• 1:03:48
  gonna bring the big man back. But he's but he's doing songs or
• 1:03:52
  what We're talking about Bob Marley, by the way.
• 1:03:54
  Yeah, so he's gonna be doing songs with The Wailers, right.
• 1:03:56
  And then, you know, Toots will come up do songs with The
• 1:03:58
  Wailers. You know, Isaacs will come up
• 1:03:59
  and do songs with The Wailers. Maybe the the support band is
• 1:04:03
  the Roots Braddocks from the John Joe Laws era of reggae.
• 1:04:07
  Nice. And have a bunch of people like,
• 1:04:09
  you know, like Barrington Levy come up.
• 1:04:12
  You've got real reggae shit. Oh fuck dude, we.
• 1:04:14
  I'm telling you, like I grew up with DJs and car guys, so it was
• 1:04:18
  just reggae was it was in the blood.
• 1:04:21
  It's so funny that Toots came up post mushroom talk.
• 1:04:25
  My worst mushroom chip ever. Yeah, that changed my fucking
• 1:04:29
  life. I've never been the same again.
• 1:04:31
  I've never, I'm, I've never done mushrooms again.
• 1:04:34
  I'm in my fucking raw. I've never taken a heroic dose
• 1:04:37
  of mushrooms again. I had a chip that went so
• 1:04:39
  fucking wrong and my friends played Toots in the Maytags to
• 1:04:42
  try to chill me out and it was just like a cacophony of it was
• 1:04:48
  the weirdest thing ever. But.
• 1:04:50
  Specifically, it was Toots in the my tails and I have no idea
• 1:04:56
  why, and I hadn't even think I've thought about that since.
• 1:05:00
  And then you bring it bring toots up in the dream festival.
• 1:05:03
  That's so weird. I it'd be it'd be great to see
• 1:05:06
  him play. Yeah, but I mean non.
• 1:05:07
  Mushrooms. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:08
  I mean, for that, at that point, I'd probably just get my, my dad
• 1:05:12
  to, you know, kind of make you go over here and get some, you
• 1:05:17
  know, distracting myself. It'll distract you with a little
• 1:05:19
  bit of goat Curry. That would be alright.
• 1:05:21
  I'll be good for that. Yeah.
• 1:05:23
  OK. Well, there gonna be nothing
• 1:05:24
  heavy here. We got.
• 1:05:25
  We got. Well, I mean, you know, we.
• 1:05:28
  Do more. We can do.
• 1:05:29
  We can do heavy if you want. I would say I would say anthrax.
• 1:05:32
  As you all doing festival don't you can do the whole thing
• 1:05:34
  right? But you've given me one artist
• 1:05:36
  with Co artist. I need 2.
• 1:05:38
  I need two more. Yeah, so I mean 3.
• 1:05:40
  Day then. The support, yeah, the support
• 1:05:42
  would definitely be the the roots radix with all the the 90s
• 1:05:45
  people and and late 80s during the Junjo laws.
• 1:05:49
  OK, let's do this. That's day one, Day 2.
• 1:05:52
  Oh, OK, OK. We would have.
• 1:05:57
  Of course, Metallica's got to be there.
• 1:05:58
  Thank. God.
• 1:05:59
  Anthrax big. Four.
• 1:06:01
  Maybe. Yeah, maybe a big. 4.
• 1:06:03
  You've already said the worst one out in the big Four, so
• 1:06:05
  you're an anthrax guy. I I love anthrax.
• 1:06:08
  I don't give a fuck, I tried so hard, no.
• 1:06:11
  No, no. So for me it was it was a cousin
• 1:06:15
  that like my gateway into thrash was Anthrax.
• 1:06:20
  And then, you know, later on in life I was really late to New
• 1:06:23
  York hardcore. So later on in life I was like,
• 1:06:25
  holy shit, I've missed an entire genre that is basically like the
• 1:06:32
  the amazing parts of Anthrax that I love but with a
• 1:06:35
  completely different thing which.
• 1:06:37
  Is my ass being. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:38
  And so I mean, I'll probably do that, probably do agnostic,
• 1:06:46
  bring no effects back. And Novak's done though.
• 1:06:48
  Yeah, that's it. Yeah, Dude, I was at the last
• 1:06:50
  show. Jesus.
• 1:06:52
  Yeah. So have you seen any of this
• 1:06:53
  footage? No.
• 1:06:54
  OK, so I. Saw him maybe two years ago at a
• 1:06:57
  festival. Might have even been wrong for
• 1:06:59
  people. Actually, I'm not.
• 1:07:00
  Oh. That's not kidding.
• 1:07:00
  There we go. There we go.
• 1:07:02
  So they played their last show in San Pedro not too long ago
• 1:07:05
  and it was three nights. I we finished up in Vegas and I
• 1:07:10
  was like, I had tours at the Punk Rock Museum and then I got
• 1:07:14
  this call being like, hey, do you want to come and play guitar
• 1:07:17
  in San Pedro for the decline at the end, it's going to be you
• 1:07:20
  and for. All of the decline.
• 1:07:22
  Just the end. I was going to say, yeah, so it
• 1:07:25
  was 20 minutes long. Yeah, I know, right?
• 1:07:26
  And it was 40 different guitar players plus me.
• 1:07:31
  So I'm like, yeah, of course. So I call them like, listen, is
• 1:07:34
  the last tour selling very well? And they're like, no, it's not.
• 1:07:37
  So did I mention I was doing tours at the Punk Rock Museum?
• 1:07:41
  No. OK, so sorry so.
• 1:07:43
  I mean, you did just say it then, but we didn't talk about
• 1:07:45
  it. OK, so yeah, so I did.
• 1:07:47
  I did tours at the punk rock means.
• 1:07:48
  Wait, you were doing the tours? Yeah, so after the after the
• 1:07:51
  Vegas show, I wake up and I've got to go to a tour, but I've
• 1:07:55
  but I've also been invited to go play at the no FX thing.
• 1:07:59
  So I. Oh, so you meant those tours?
• 1:08:01
  Yeah, those tours, Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:08:03
  So I was like, no, FX's last tour was probably selling well.
• 1:08:05
  I have to. End up cancelling that last tour
• 1:08:08
  because one, it's not selling well and two, there's no way
• 1:08:11
  I'll make it to the show after being invited.
• 1:08:14
  So I finished that tour. Somebody that's on the tour is
• 1:08:18
  like, you know, you're never going to make it to the to the
• 1:08:20
  airport. If you take an Uber, I'll drive
• 1:08:24
  you. So I'm driving with this guy and
• 1:08:27
  he's super kind and takes me to the airport, tells me about
• 1:08:31
  Vegas and gives me advice on chip stocks.
• 1:08:33
  All right, So, yeah, so like. Very Vegas.
• 1:08:37
  I get to the the airport, fly in land, get there.
• 1:08:42
  A buddy of mine, he brought me right up on stage right next to
• 1:08:46
  the thing and Rugly. The he's also goes by Captain
• 1:08:50
  Chocolate paws on Instagram. He's like, I got this guitar for
• 1:08:54
  you. I'm like, what is it?
• 1:08:56
  He's like, oh, it's BB King's backup guitar.
• 1:08:59
  And he hands it to me and I'm almost like, I don't, I can't
• 1:09:01
  touch that. There's no way.
• 1:09:04
  But I pick it up and it feels magical.
• 1:09:06
  And he's like, OK, we got it for you.
• 1:09:08
  So the time comes, we all strap in.
• 1:09:12
  I'm like surrounded by some of my favorite.
• 1:09:14
  Like MXPX is right there. Both Shifflett brothers are
• 1:09:18
  right there, you know, like Mr. Brett from Bad Religions right
• 1:09:21
  there. Jared from Bowling For Soup is
• 1:09:23
  right behind me. So it's like friends and heroes.
• 1:09:25
  I'm just surrounded by them and we get out, we all get in, we
• 1:09:30
  plug in. I look over, here's, you know, 2
• 1:09:33
  dudes from Rise Against and I'm like, this is fucking rad.
• 1:09:37
  And then all of a sudden I just look over and I see Fletcher and
• 1:09:43
  I'm like, oh man, did nobody give like Fletcher a guitar?
• 1:09:49
  So I think he was thinking the same thing because he started
• 1:09:53
  going up to people and being like and kind of grabbing the
• 1:09:57
  guitar and kind of feeling it out, right?
• 1:10:00
  And some people were like no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:10:02
  Like I'm playing this guitar and he's like, OK, OK, OK, so we go,
• 1:10:06
  go. And I don't know when it
• 1:10:08
  switched, but eventually he started going up to bass players
• 1:10:12
  and he was like, give me that. And they're like, no.
• 1:10:15
  And he's like, all I see is him mouth the words.
• 1:10:19
  It's a sacrifice. And then he just started taking
• 1:10:23
  basses and smashing them at the front of the stage.
• 1:10:27
  So I'm seeing this with my guitar and I'm like, Oh my God,
• 1:10:29
  I have BB King's back on guitar. I'm like, and I fucking, I love
• 1:10:34
  Fletcher, right? So if I see him, we're we're
• 1:10:37
  going to say hello, we're going to hug.
• 1:10:40
  He walks up right behind me, grabs Jay from Bad Religion's
• 1:10:44
  bass, goes and smashes it. And by this time, everything
• 1:10:49
  ends and I'm still on stage with the guitar, and I'm kind of like
• 1:10:54
  looking out and everybody's like, everybody get off stage.
• 1:10:56
  Fletcher's like, have you ever seen The Wire?
• 1:10:58
  Yeah, yeah. It's like Omar's coming.
• 1:11:00
  Omar's. Coming right.
• 1:11:02
  So I end up having this guitar and I see Fletcher over by by
• 1:11:07
  Rugly Station and I'm like, oh fuck, I got to get this guitar
• 1:11:10
  by Fletcher. So there's video footage of me
• 1:11:13
  just like eyes just beaming open like this, just like trying to
• 1:11:20
  just sitting behind a crate. Yeah.
• 1:11:22
  And yeah, got it, got it back. And then I I am proud to say
• 1:11:28
  that I protected a Blues legacy that night.
• 1:11:30
  Fuck yeah. Do you know how many guitars got
• 1:11:31
  destroyed? I think about three I think he
• 1:11:35
  got. It's a sacrifice.
• 1:11:36
  He's really funny, but. Dude, it's just, I, I could see
• 1:11:39
  it in his, in his, in his lips. It was just like, it's a
• 1:11:42
  sacrifice. Was that so?
• 1:11:44
  Fucking fair enough, Fair enough, flat for then.
• 1:11:46
  This is why I do the thing, because we get a cool story out
• 1:11:48
  of it and then we got to do fucking day three.
• 1:11:50
  No one cares. We got the good fucking story.
• 1:11:53
  Give me another band you really like.
• 1:11:55
  Oh fuck, you know what? Next day it would have to be.
• 1:11:59
  It would have to have to be Parliament.
• 1:12:02
  The meters we. Got some fucking grooves
• 1:12:04
  happening. Yeah, let's go with absolutely.
• 1:12:09
  There's even better, man. There's even better.
• 1:12:11
  Like Cabbage Alley is a great record.
• 1:12:13
  I never went deeper. I know, Sissy strut and that's
• 1:12:16
  it. Get in there, get in there.
• 1:12:18
  It's it's a they're great man, especially the the drummer.
• 1:12:22
  Yeah, yeah. And Leo's one of my favorite
• 1:12:23
  guitar players too, so. Ziggaboo model list.
• 1:12:26
  Yes, Sir. Yes, Sir.
• 1:12:27
  No more fucking shit. Fucking shit.
• 1:12:30
  I can play that groove. That was, that's why Sissy Shrut
• 1:12:32
  is like I heard it on the fucking radio or something.
• 1:12:35
  Like the fuck is that? I need to learn that
• 1:12:39
  immediately. And then I like did a deep dive
• 1:12:41
  on him, but I didn't really do a deep dive on the band.
• 1:12:43
  Yeah, dude. Also, clutch, let's put clutch
• 1:12:46
  in there too. Do you notice how it's like with
• 1:12:49
  the bands? I'm having a tough time, but
• 1:12:51
  when it comes to like bathrooms and catering, I'm like yeah,
• 1:12:55
  yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just nailed.
• 1:12:57
  No, I get it, because you've got an eclectic thing.
• 1:13:00
  Do you want to know another thing?
• 1:13:01
  Never got into Clutch. Oh no way.
• 1:13:03
  Like I know fucking JP is a fucking amazing drummer and all
• 1:13:07
  this and every time I listen to it it just doesn't click with
• 1:13:11
  me. That's OK.
• 1:13:12
  But no. But everyone keeps telling me
• 1:13:13
  like, you're going to love it. And I'm like, I don't, I don't
• 1:13:15
  smoke weed anymore. That's the problem.
• 1:13:17
  That's the fucking problem with it.
• 1:13:20
  That's OK. I was, I was just playing
• 1:13:22
  Prophets of Doom today in in my room and you know, I'm getting
• 1:13:26
  like noise complaints from Cone because I somebody at Marshall
• 1:13:30
  gave me an amp. So I get to play that backstage.
• 1:13:34
  We're like we're in our own rooms for this tour, which is
• 1:13:38
  arenas. I've never seen this in my
• 1:13:41
  entire life. I get sick, dinner brought to
• 1:13:44
  me. It's insane.
• 1:13:45
  It's fucking cool. It's insane.
• 1:13:47
  Going out with the bang, Yeah. Speaking of going out with the
• 1:13:49
  bang, I think we're about done on the podcast, but I want to
• 1:13:51
  know it's your last time in the UK.
• 1:13:53
  Yeah, for now, is there one thing that you will miss about
• 1:13:57
  the UK? Well, first and foremost the the
• 1:14:02
  UK crowds are different than anything else.
• 1:14:05
  Loud present. Obnoxious.
• 1:14:09
  Yeah, but it's charming, dude. It is wankers.
• 1:14:12
  You know what though, dude, I come from, like I said, I come
• 1:14:15
  from a West Indian background, so I love that shit.
• 1:14:18
  I totally, I totally dig it. I'm into it so.
• 1:14:21
  Yeah. How are you and the crowds?
• 1:14:23
  And I would have to say how good the food has gotten over the
• 1:14:27
  past 25 years. It's it's got bad.
• 1:14:30
  It's still American. I like, I'm moving to the States
• 1:14:33
  and I'm stoked because of the food.
• 1:14:35
  But like, American touring bands used to hate it so much, and now
• 1:14:38
  it's like it's tolerable. It's still not like touring the
• 1:14:42
  States. I I, I kind, I kind of dig it
• 1:14:45
  too, because again, UK great, great Jamaican food, great
• 1:14:49
  Indian food, so. Hell yeah.
• 1:14:51
  Hey, thanks for coming on. This was fucking wonderful.
• 1:14:53
  Yeah, dude, it was great to meet you.
• 1:14:54
  Let's be. Fucking pals.
• 1:14:56
  I never played drums on a song. You're doing all this shit.
• 1:14:58
  I've got a studio. I've got a rig.
• 1:14:59
  Like I said, I've got I have riffs for fucking it's it looks
• 1:15:03
  like years. I'm.
• 1:15:04
  Fucking in. That's it.
• 1:15:05
  All right, sounds good. Thank you mate, my man.