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The Redpath Mansion Murder · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Morning The following podcasts gramping content and material intended or
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  Speaker 2: My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we're off the wall tonight. Sorry guys.
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  Speaker 2: See Well, honestly, okay, if it wasn't for me, we
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't even be having a podcast. Not because I did
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  Speaker 2: all the work. You did all the work, well done,
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  Speaker 2: but you were like basically ready to go to bed,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, oh we have to like.
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  Speaker 1: Oh shit, yeah, I almost forgot. It was just because
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  Speaker 1: we were like Valentine's Dinner, just chilling eating good food.
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  Speaker 1: I was like food coma and ready for bed. So oh, we.
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  Speaker 2: Watched terrific movie. I was really into it.
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  Speaker 1: Finally we watched Free Guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It was a good movie.
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  Speaker 2: Perfect mix of a movie for you and.
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  Speaker 1: Me, I think because you like the romantic, happy endings
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  Speaker 1: and for me it had Ryan Reynolds.
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  Speaker 2: If the movie doesn't have a happy ending, why the
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  Speaker 2: ship you watch it?
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  Speaker 1: And if it doesn't have Ryan Reynolds, why the shit
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  Speaker 1: are you gonna watch?
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  Speaker 2: It's so funny that I say that because every podcast
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  Speaker 2: we've done basically is not right.
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  Speaker 1: They're all shitty endings.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the role of True Crime, right, Yeah, is
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  Speaker 2: really messed.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So let's move on tho. Let's drop that there
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  Speaker 1: Oh I've been wanting a death headshirt. I know I
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  Speaker 1: Because if we haven't said it before, we actually have
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  Speaker 2: For us, So yeah it might have been because that's originally, honestly,
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  Speaker 2: how I thought we were going to do it, and
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  Speaker 2: that would have just been a disaster.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's no way fit in this house. Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: So are you ready to move on to this case?
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  Speaker 2: I am redd at a party.
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  Speaker 1: To party Party to party PRT Why because I said, so,
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  Speaker 1: how does that go again? Oh? No, no, Ali? What
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  Speaker 1: that is way off?
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  Speaker 2: Sorry? I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I remember pr P A R T. Why because I
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  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, yeah, I was on our level because I
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  Speaker 2: got it. There we go, Okay, are we taking a
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  Speaker 2: little break kind of because last week was like heavy
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of people were just like, wow, wow.
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  Speaker 1: This one is a lot different than any case we
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  Speaker 1: have covered so far. Let me put it that way. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: it is a murder, Okay, it is a mystery. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: but the amount of information that is known about this
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  Speaker 1: case is basically zero. You know, when you go into
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  Speaker 1: an exam and it's like or a test or something
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  Speaker 1: like that, and they're like, you get like one flash card.
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  Speaker 1: You can write a one side the information to go
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  Speaker 1: on the exam with you or something. Right, Yeah, picture
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  Speaker 1: writing on that little index card, your normal writing size.
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  Speaker 1: That's about the information that is known on this case.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's not how I did my index cards.
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  Speaker 1: I know everyone's writing like super small and shit. But
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  Speaker 1: this like, there's hardly anything. So there's there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of debate about this. There's there's not much concrete evidence.
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  Speaker 1: So okay, now this is a crazy case though, because
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  Speaker 1: there's so much unknown and it is one of Canada's
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  Speaker 1: most notorious unsolved cases.
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  Speaker 2: Oh it's a Canadian case.
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  Speaker 1: It is. So to all our Canadian friends out there,
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  Speaker 1: here's a little bit of our history. And to all
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  Speaker 1: those outside of Canada, you about to get learned on
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  Speaker 1: a history as well, because I didn't know this, So
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  Speaker 1: we're all getting learned on our history today.
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  Speaker 2: I'm curious.
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  Speaker 1: I know you probably don't. That's what I'm rolling the
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  Speaker 1: dice on. I have you ever heard of the Red
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  Speaker 1: Path Mansion murders?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, see, there we go.
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  Speaker 2: I was hoping that I could say yes, but I can't.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's start you off and let's paint a bit
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  Speaker 1: of a picture here. The red Paths had it all.
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  Speaker 1: They're one of the richest families in Canada, heirs to
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  Speaker 1: an impressive sugar fortune. Now, James Redpath was born in
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  Speaker 1: seventeen ninety six to a working class what.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, can I interrupt red Path? Isn't that like there's
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  Speaker 2: still a sugar name?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Holy shit, Okay, that's these people.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, sorry. I just was like, you're like ready
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  Speaker 2: to pause because you think I need to break But
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, whoa, I've brought in Red Plot Sugar.
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  Speaker 1: You've what Red Paths Sugar I bought? Yeah, yeah, you have.
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  Speaker 1: I'm still a company.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, I'm excited. Sorry, sorry, I I'll stop.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I'm glad I got you. I'm glad you
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  Speaker 1: got that to your system.
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  Speaker 2: It's out of my system. Sure. I was just like,
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  Speaker 2: I recognize that, nick yase it's.
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  Speaker 1: A legit sugar company. So James sorry. John James Redpath
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  Speaker 1: was born nineteen seventy six to a working class farm
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  Speaker 1: workers in Scotland. Growing up, he would work manual labor
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  Speaker 1: jobs and he got a wealth of experience as a stonemason.
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  Speaker 1: Now by the time John was twenty, he ended up
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  Speaker 1: leaving Scotland in eighteen sixteen with very limited funds to
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  Speaker 1: go board a passage on a ship. Boarding that ship,
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  Speaker 1: he was now broke and nearly penniless, but he embarked
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  Speaker 1: on a journey to his new life in Canada. He
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  Speaker 1: got off in Quebec City and then proceeded to walk
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  Speaker 1: approximately I didn't write it down, but I think it
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  Speaker 1: was around two hundred klometers two and fifty klmeters something
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  Speaker 1: like that off the top of my head. But anyways,
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  Speaker 1: he walked barefoot from Quebec City to Montreal, Quebec.
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  Speaker 2: Really, yes, like he lost his shoes on the way there.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he had shoes.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, Holy Okay, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I remember looking up the distance between the two, but
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  Speaker 1: apparently I didn't type it in.
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  Speaker 2: This is going to be quite the story.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, well, it definitely is. There's a rich history here.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of history in this case if you
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  Speaker 1: want to look into the red Path family. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: dive too deep in it because this isn't a history
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  Speaker 1: of their family case. It's more of like the murder
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  Speaker 1: side of it. But we get a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: the history here that I'll talk about briefly. So once
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  Speaker 1: he was there, he used his skills he learned back
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  Speaker 1: in Scotland to land him self employment in the construction industry,
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  Speaker 1: where he would work as a stonemason. Within a few years,
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  Speaker 1: John was running his own sizeable construction business. Now he
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  Speaker 1: was involved in major projects such as the construction of
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  Speaker 1: the Lachin Channel. Now, this was a major project where
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  Speaker 1: John found immense success where many other contractors before him
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  Speaker 1: found only failure. So he was the one who was
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  Speaker 1: actually able to get this project complete where no one.
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  Speaker 2: Else was able to so he's good at what he did.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, definitely, and this led to more projects and a
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  Speaker 1: booming business for them. Oh right on, Yeah, Now, in
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  Speaker 1: eighteen fifty four, John would go on to open another
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  Speaker 1: business called the Red Path Sugar Company, which is still
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  Speaker 1: in business today, like you mentioned, and is a huge
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  Speaker 1: player in the sugar manufacturing and distributing a distributing world.
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  Speaker 2: So that's so interesting and went from that to that,
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  Speaker 2: I know, it's quite the leap. Like I really wonder
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  Speaker 2: how that transitioned.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm not too sure. Like I said, there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of history. If you want to go down
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  Speaker 1: that tunnel, it's there. I just didn't quite bother because
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  Speaker 1: it's not something that we're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: I'm also curious if that sugar sold. I'm sure it is,
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  Speaker 2: but probably elsewhere in the world.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure it's around the world for sure. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but it's it's definitely like one of the big heavy
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  Speaker 1: hitters in Canada. I know that.
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  Speaker 2: I was just going to go and check actually to
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  Speaker 2: see if we hurt covered. But then we pour our
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  Speaker 2: sugar into a container, so that's not helpful.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, if the sugar bags, no matter what brand
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  Speaker 1: you get, they always leak, they do. They it spills out,
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  Speaker 1: it could catch on something and gets a little rip,
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  Speaker 1: and you got sugar everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: So I also, I actually feel like if sugar was
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  Speaker 2: in like a milk container like that would be amazing
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  Speaker 2: and you wouldn't have to put it in another container.
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  Speaker 1: You're fucking oh but wait, what if you're like, what
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  Speaker 1: if you need a cup of sugar, then you have
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  Speaker 1: to like pour it in the cup, And what if
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  Speaker 1: you go too much and you got to put it
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  Speaker 1: back in this like jug container.
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  Speaker 2: It wouldn't pour too much, though, I don't think it'd
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  Speaker 2: be hard.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think just like a tote with
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  Speaker 1: like a lid, it's a tote totsgoats, yoats or what
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  Speaker 1: about just like a cardboard box with like a plastic liner.
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  Speaker 1: May no, not plastic line, but a paper liner.
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  Speaker 2: I like the milk jug.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sitting on that milk carton.
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  Speaker 2: Milk carton, I mean, yeah, okay, I'm sitting on that
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  Speaker 2: like a yeah.
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  Speaker 1: There we go. Well that aside. We're going to now
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  Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about John's personal life. Okay, Together,
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  Speaker 1: John and his wife Ada had five children, Amy Peter
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  Speaker 1: John Reginald dope fucking name for the record, Harold and
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  Speaker 1: Jocelyn Clifford. By all reports, the Redpath family were a
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  Speaker 1: close family, but generally kept to themselves on a day
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  Speaker 1: to day basis. They did not like publicity or seek
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  Speaker 1: to be like the talk of the town per se.
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  Speaker 1: Personal issues, feelings and moods were never really addressed, and
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  Speaker 1: their family problems were never really a topic of conversation
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  Speaker 1: behind closed doors, though Amy and her brother were open
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  Speaker 1: and warm within the family. Now, Aida had been quite
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  Speaker 1: sick for many years. So being that Amy was the
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  Speaker 1: oldest of the children and the only daughter, she assumed
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  Speaker 1: care of the household, being a little different terms though
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  Speaker 1: than what were used to She was responsible for hiring things,
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  Speaker 1: hiring maids, and providing things like financial advice to her
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  Speaker 1: younger brothers who are now getting into the business ventures themselves.
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  Speaker 2: The oldest sister.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, wow, so taking care of the family was a
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  Speaker 1: little bit different to them. It was like hiring the maids.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like she's getting her brothers and sisters up
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  Speaker 1: early in the morning at cooking breakfast. They had maids
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  Speaker 1: and servers, and yeah, they had staff to take care
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  Speaker 1: of them. But she was taking care of the family
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  Speaker 1: and other terms. Right, Okay. Now, while all five of
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  Speaker 1: the red Path children helped out their mother, Ada, Peter, Reggie,
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  Speaker 1: and Harold were generally too busy to help, and their
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  Speaker 1: mother's assistants began to fall heavily on Amy and Clifford,
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  Speaker 1: who had a close relationship with their mother. Now, though
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  Speaker 1: this is not certain exactly what sort of illness Ada
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  Speaker 1: was stricken with, as there was no official diagnosis, it
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  Speaker 1: is clear that it was severe. There's a letter from
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  Speaker 1: John Redpath, who wrote to his children from New York
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  Speaker 1: in eighteen eighty and explained that Aida needed to spend
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  Speaker 1: a day recovering from a carriage ride around the park.
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  Speaker 1: So she was actually bad enough where just a carriage
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  Speaker 1: ride was something she needed to recover from.
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  Speaker 2: That's really sad, So sad it is she dies soon?
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  Speaker 2: What's she dies soon? Here?
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's get into that, shall we.
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  Speaker 2: And it was so long ago too, it might not
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  Speaker 2: even really known exactly what it was.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, exactly right. There are some theories though, that she
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  Speaker 1: may have been suffering from. Some people think rheumatoid arthritis
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  Speaker 1: and others and some others think autoimmune disease, which are
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  Speaker 1: like reference to some symptoms that she had with her
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  Speaker 1: poor eyesight, pain, neurologia, that sort of stuff, but it's
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  Speaker 1: still not known what it was. But again there's no documentation,
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  Speaker 1: there's no proof. Pretty much everything surrounding this case is hearsay.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting, Hey, why is that the.
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  Speaker 1: Family kept to themselves, said that they did not like publicity,
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  Speaker 1: they did not like their aim out there in the limelight.
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  Speaker 1: They just behind closed.
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  Speaker 2: Doors, which honestly, there's nothing wrong with really.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there's definitely nothing wrong with that, but it definitely
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  Speaker 1: gets suspicious here a little later on when certain things occur.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I guess, yeah, sometimes when you're quiet you might
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  Speaker 2: have something to hide.
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  Speaker 1: That's true.
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  Speaker 2: I never thought of that angle, very very true.
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  Speaker 1: So, being that the Redpath family was one of, if
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  Speaker 1: not the wealthiest family in Canada at the time, this
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  Speaker 1: meant that they could afford some serious luxuries. And with luxuries,
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  Speaker 1: and sorry, with wealth and luxuries comes a mansion. Generally,
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  Speaker 1: the red Path Mansion was one of the grandest homes
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  Speaker 1: in Montreal's Golden Square Mile. Now, this Golden Square Mile
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  Speaker 1: is a nostalgic name given to an urban neighborhood which
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  Speaker 1: was developed between I think it was approximately eighteen fifty
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  Speaker 1: and around nineteen thirty, and it took it sat at
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  Speaker 1: the foot of Mount Royal in the west central section
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  Speaker 1: of downtown Montreal, Quebec. Awesome, glorious place.
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  Speaker 2: Did he google it?
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  Speaker 1: I did? Actually, it is a place where homes of
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  Speaker 1: like many illustrious mansions sat and it was a perfect
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  Speaker 1: place to call home for the Red.
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  Speaker 2: Paths awesome, So I'm gonna have to google it.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: I want to see do it now. Unfortunately, John would
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: pass away before the family mansion was built. He died
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: on June fourth, eighteen eighty four. His cause of death
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: was listed as paralysis, and he was buried in the
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Redpath family plot and the Mount Royal Cemetery. However, there
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: are some mixed reports to the day he died. Some reports,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: actually it was far later it was, or sorry, far earlier,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: it was eighteen sixty nine. Other reports say eighteen seventy.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: It's a variety of dates and years, so I can't
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: find a concrete one on that. I found several websites,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: very reputable websites, having mixed years.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: So wow, that's so interesting. I even to have a
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: death date, that's not right, huh.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: It's like I say, nothing is for sure in this case. Wow,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: it's very very odd and it was very weird to
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: research when I can't come up with any facts or very.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Little facts of what.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Sorry it was. The cause of death was listed as paralysis,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: but again, I'm not too sure if I can even
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: trust that. If I can't, if if the date I'm
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I'm unsure of, I guarantee you that's going to be
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: unsure as well. Yeah, So so take that with a
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: grain of salt. So it's hard to say which is true,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: like for any of these. But either way, the family
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: was forced to carry on without John, that we do
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: know now. The new home was built in eighteen eighty
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: six at one zero six' Five Sherbrook, street and the
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: family lived there for many years as part of the
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: city's high. Society and here in their grand, mansion the
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: only thing that was extraordinary about the family was their great.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Wealth other than, that they're just a regular, family you,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: know business going on with their, lives that sort of.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Thing but all of that was about to, change because
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: eventually the grand mansion would turn into the location, of
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: LIKE i, said one Of canada's most notorious unsolved. Murders,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: OKAY i.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Was waiting for. THIS i was, like who exactly is
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: getting murdered? Here And i'm SURPRISED i haven't heard of.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: This but, okay well buccalo seatbelts because you're about to
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: find out who gets.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Murdered, well, yeah this is because this is a big
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: NAME i feel like In. Canada So i'm just shocked
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: here That i'm knowing it is.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: A very big name In. Canada and it's LIKE i,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: said it's one of the most notorious cases out there For.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Canadians and it's surprising it's not more in the lime
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: light and.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Mainstream or that there isn't more. Known, yeah very.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Odd you'll understand why there's not much. Known you'll get
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: a little more details on how it was capt, hush,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Hush i'm.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Almost scared to.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Know, Okay, well there's nothing really scary about. It it's
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: just like what the, Fuck, like are you? Serious that's
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: going to be your, response like are you kidding? Me,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Okay so, Anyways, so on the summer night Of june,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: thirteenth nineteen oh, one at approximately six, Pm john And
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: ada's eldest, Son, peter who was thirty one at the,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: time heard gunshots that rang through the house coming from.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Upstairs he ran upstairs to see what was going on
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: and found the noise coming from the locked doors of
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: his mother's. Bedroom he ran the door over and over
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: to break it down and gain, entry and when he
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: gained that, access he found a grizzly. Scene his younger,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: brother youngest BROTHER i should, Say clifford of twenty, five
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: who had just arrived home minutes, before and their Mother
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: ada lying on the floor into pools of, blood blood
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: and a gun on the floor beside. Them.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Uh, oh just the two of them in, there, Though.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Just the two of them in.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: There, Okay so that's not a good, scene definitely.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Not now that, right there is the majority of facts
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: that we know of this. Case what the? Shit there's
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: a bit, more but that is the majority of the.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Facts Because i'm like Thinking clifford did, it but it's
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: just the two of them that got. Murdered, Though, hey
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: it's not the whole fam, Correct, okay not that that's
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: not horrific and. Terrible, sorry but.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Well i'm going to carry on a little bit here
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: before we get into more some, theories and we'll discuss
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: it a little bit. Here, Okay So upon seeing, this
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: any person's reaction would be to call authorities and identify
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: or and, identify like what, Happened you get the scene locked.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Down but that's definitely not what happened next, Here no
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: police or authorities were called to the, scene only a
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: corner and from there the corner called an, inquest and
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: the next, day on the, fourteenth a corner's inquest was
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: put into. Place now corner's inquest in quest for anyone who's.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Curious it's an inquiry into the circumstances surrounding it. Death
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: the purpose of the inquest is to find out who
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: the deceased person was and how and when and where they.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Died and this is all to prove details necessary for
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: their death. Registry, okay so this essentially starts like a
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: mini investigation when an inquest is put into, place not
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: really an investigation on what, happened but an investigation on.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Who oh they are so, sorry totally get. IT i
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: was just being quiet Because i'm thinking about why the
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: police weren't, Called so my theory might have changed my.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Head, now, yeah well that's a big. Thing what the
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: fuck why weren't they?
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Called, well if you're running into a, scene like. That
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: there's no way that you wouldn't be freaking out calling
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: nine one one right, Like there's just no. Way so.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Hold that.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Thought i'm holding.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: It SO a statement was taken directly From peter during the,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: inquest AND i have a piece of that statement. Here
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: so he, SAID i saw my, brother the, deceased arriving
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: home at around six. O'clock he seemed ill and was.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Tired he went up to the room of my. MOTHER
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: a few seconds, LATER i heard a gunshot from a,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: firearm followed by two. OTHERS i ran up and broke
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: down the. DOOR i saw my mother lying on the
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: floor and several free from. Her my brother also lying
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: in a pool of, blood a revolver a foot away from,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: him near his. Hand. Interesting, Interesting, Interesting now even stranger
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: than all, this considering the mysterious circumstances surrounding the two.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Death the inquest was opened and closed within forty eight
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: hours of the, shooting and both of their bodies were
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: buried within that forty eight hours as. Well, wow so
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: forty eight hours after the trigger was, pulled the inquest is.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Closed the case is closed because literally no investigation took,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: place and they're buried in the. Cemetery.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Money money can do some things for, you can.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: It definitely, can definitely. Can. Interesting, so, now the Red
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: paths never discussed the tragic, events either among themselves or.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Publicly so what happened To ada And Clifford? Redpath who murdered?
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Them was it an? Accident? Murder? Suicide and why wouldn't
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: their families want a full? Investigation who? Knows all un answered?
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Questions because, sorry there would still be three of? Them
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: three of the children? Alive? Correct?
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Four?
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Four? Oh they had five? Children five, children, yes, okay
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: so both parents have been deceased in one and the youngest.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Child, yeah so that leaves four, left, Okay and the
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: only person at home at the time was the oldest,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: sibling oldest, SON i should, say which Is? Peter?
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Really? OKAY i didn't realize that was the only one.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Home, Well i'm pretty sure he's the only one. Home.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Huh officially, speaking, though we don't have an answer that
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: came from the, inquest the, RECORDS i, mean we do
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: have we do officially have an, ANSWER i should. Say
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: the record states That clifford had an epileptic seizure while
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: holding the revolver and shot his mother in a quote
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: unquote temp while temporary temporarily, insane so having an epileptic,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: seizure he shot his mother while temporarily. Insane, okay, then
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: once regaining control of, himself stricken by grief on what
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: he had, done turned the revolver towards. Himself that is
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: the official in quest results on what.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Happened, really that's what they. Determined, yep.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: HUH a biggie with this case is that since there
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: was never a real investigation that had taken, place there's
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: no concrete records of what, happened only newspaper. Accounts LIKE i,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: said it's it's there's no proof of. Anything and even
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: the newspaper accounts that we are referring to they all
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: contradict themselves, basically so everything is hearsay after.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: This it's just like no one wanted to step on
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: their toes or do anything to like what is the,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: saying stir the, Mud, no.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Stir the, mud stir the?
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Mud, Wow like no one wanted to EVEN i don't,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: know touch, This hey.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: WELL i don't Think, YEAH i, mean how do you
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: even especially if you are going to go and, Investigate,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: okay let's investigate. This where the Bodies, oh they're. Buried
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: where's the crime? Scene, oh it's cleaned.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Up but even prior to, though no one wanted anything
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: to do with. It, yeah it's JUST i think it's
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: because the family was maybe so powerful and, wealthy wanted
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: anything to do with.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: This money. Talks money buys pretty much, anything which is
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: frightening to think. ABOUT i, mean look at human. Trafficking
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: money can literally buy a human. Life i'm sure it
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: can buy.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Silence and because you said they were one of the
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: most wealthiest families In, canada, really, right.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: If not the, Wealthiest, yes there you. Go so who's to, say.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: And the oldest would have had act probably the most
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: access to that. Too potentially the.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Oldest would be their, daughter which was what's her? Name?
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Okay SO i was thinking the one that was home.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: That would Be. Peter, Okay so the oldest, son but
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: the only one older than him was their only Daughter, amy, Right.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Okay So, peter though actually initially claimed that the night
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: of the shooting he heard two, shots but then later
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: went on to change his story to say three.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Shots, really and you would, REMEMBER i feel.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: WELL a lot of stuff is very inconsistent with this.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Case even when talking to. Witnesses he also claimed that
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: one revolver was found of the, scene but a doctor
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: testified later that there were actually, two which suggests an
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: accomplice or potentially even an. Intruder.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Huh ALL i want to keep saying is.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Interesting so this is literally like the game what's that like,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: clue like who did it in the murder? Mystery, well,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: no that that's literally just a type of game that's
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: like saying video, GAME i don't, know clue the board
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: game where it's like who did it in the like
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: who did the? Murder like Colonel Colonel mustard did? It
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: or killed so and so in the library with the lead.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Pipe it's it's been so long SINCE i played that.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: GAME i think it's like it's like that you just
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: there's so much to put together and you're just randomly
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: saying this half the time because you don't know unless
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: you're really good at the. GAME i never was. Anyways
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: but one of the doctors actually who arrived at the
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: scene claimed That clifford had foam in his, mouth which could,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: potentially you, know coincide with the.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Seizure, okay OR i was going to, say couldn't that
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: be like strangling? Too, WELL i guess you'd see it
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: on the neck, Though BUT i.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Mean there was no real investigation for, that so foam
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: with mouth would be. Obvious maybe not redness at the
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: neck or something might not be who. Knows but the
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: family physician testified That clifford may have shot his, mother you,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: know LIKE i. Said but the thing, is there's no
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: medical history or family records suggesting That clifford ever suffered from.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Epilepsy seizures, was as far as records, go not a
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: thing for. Him so if it was, seizures it's not, known.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: And especially to have one to that degree but then
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: have had nothing prior.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: To you, know oh, Yeah AND i mean like a
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: seizure to the degree of insanity.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Where you're shooting your.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Mind that's. CRAZY i could, See, okay maybe you're holding
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: the gun and if you have a seizure and your
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: muscles tense up or something and you pull the trigger
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: and you're like kind of seizing and, convulsing and you
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: accidentally pull the trigger and once your muscles start, relaxing
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: then you're stricken or. Whatever but a seizure to the
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: point of, Insanity i've never heard of that.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Before, well and why was he holding a gun, too, right,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: right like, yeah.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: So especially moments after getting, home like his brother. Suggested,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: now some theorized that it could have been quote unquote
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: mercy killing As ada was bedridden with her illness and
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: suffered with them for a long, time so putting her
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: out of her misery was a last resort and an
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: attempt to help her or free. Her, now as For,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: clifford maybe he couldn't live with the fact that he
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: shot his, mom no matter the intention or the will
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: goodwill behind. It maybe he just couldn't stand seeing his
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: mom like, that thought Like i'm putting her out of her,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: misery and then afterwards he couldn't regretted it LIKE i
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: couldn't live with, it and pulled entering the gun on.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Himself which does make sense for the coming home right,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: away because, say if she had asked for, that or
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: was the plan or, whatever he maybe you just come
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: home and do it really quick or. Whatever, Right, maybe
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: so that part kind of makes sense with the just
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: getting home and doing. It but but.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Then why would she ask the youngest son to do?
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: It wouldn't you ask the oldest to do that to
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: bear that?
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Responsibility, well not, necessarily we don't know their personalities and
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: stuff right, now we don't she thought that it would
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: affect him less or.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Something, yeah but we do know that the mother had
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: a good relationship With, clifford, Right clifford was one of
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: the ones who was closest.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: With her and the. Daughter, yes.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Huh now another theory talks about something a little more, terrifying,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: though that loved one trying to end their mother's pain,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: is you, know not quite as bad as. This peter
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: later claimed that his Brother clifford was a homosexual and
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: that he may have intended to tell his mother that
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: night and it could potentially have been a coming out gone. Wrong,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: now think of, it think of it this, way a
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: high class family in like late eighteen hundreds having a gay.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Son that would not be something that a wealthy family
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: would stand. For i'm SURE i can imagine the only
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: thing that they would. Like think towards that that it's
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: like soiling their name and that an argument could ensue
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: and you, know name, calling hatred being thrown back and,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: forth potentially even revenge being thrown into the.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Mix, well were they a religious family, TOO i, wonder,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: right because then that would make it even.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Worse i'm not too certain if they were, religious BUT
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: i do know that religion was a lot more prominent
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: in that, time especially well especially considering today's. Age but,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: yeah ALL i know is that this is a fucking
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: mind twisting brain. Fucker if that's a, SENTENCE i don't,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: know but that's what it.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: IS i don't THINK i don't believe that.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Theory, No, okay, well BEFORE i go, on what's your?
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: THEORY i think that what the frick's his? Name the oldest, Son, Peter.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: PETER i Think peter did. IT i Think peter's an.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: ASSHOLE i Think peter did it. Too i've got a
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Theory i'm going to cover here at the. End i've
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: got one more Theory i'm going to talk about first
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: before we go.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: There BUT i have to finish off That peter. THEORY
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: i think it's because he's an asshole and maybe had
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: some sort of jealousy or something towards the relationship That
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: clifford had with his. Mother, potentially it's kind of my.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Thought, Okay So i'll cover this one first and we'll
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: touch on. That family rumors also suggested That clifford had
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: an affair with one of the family's maids. Now even
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: though affairs at this time were rather normal for the,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: ERA i should say an affair could have done much
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: in the same to the family name as a potential
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: gay son perhaps could. Do And ada was going to
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: let her son drag the family name through the mud
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: in this scenario as, well sparking a, similar similar argument
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: and similar. Outcome so there's that. THEORY i still don't.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Even see how that would be the outcome of the
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Mat the mom was outrage like, what so she Kills,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: clifford and then what kills?
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Herself like, no they, argued And clifford shoots her.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Oh and then shoots.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Himself, yes but that one still doesn't make sense to,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: me especially, because LIKE i just, said affairs are not
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: an uncommon thing at this. Time would that really be an,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: issue especially for a family with, money being, like, oh
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: let's just pay her, off.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Pay out the maid or something, else.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Or even still your word against. Ours it was very frequent,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: that you, know higher powered families would just toss loved,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: ones not loved, ones but toss affairs aside because of
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: power being, involved being like you're nothing compared to.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Us Poor. CLIFFORD i feel like his name just being
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: dragged to the mud.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Here, WELL i mean that's very good potential of.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: THAT i guess for some, REASON i feel LIKE i like,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: him you Like. CLIFFORD i have absolutely no information about,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: him BUT i just get the sense THAT i like
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: him for some weird.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Reason, well maybe he's a good.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Guy i'm being biased.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Here the problem is we don't. Know he might have
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: been a good. Guy he might have been the.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Protagonist he could have been a super, asshole.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: He could be the. Antagonist we don't. Know there's no.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Result we're never going to know the result of. This
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: that's the. Problem there's no, information there will never be.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Information it's just that's.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: IT i can't believe that they're that high up there
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: of status and that no one knows, anything and just mind,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: blowing mind.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Blowing, WELL i do agree with, you, THOUGH i do
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Think peter was. Responsible so this is WHAT i. Think
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: i've done a little bit of digging around theories surrounding
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: him and motives and because of families, secrecy alongside the
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: fact that they were essentially no investigations in the death or.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Anything but everything around that is like, literally LIKE i,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: said pure speculation with no. Evidence so my theory my personal,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: theory WHAT i think is That peter was upset with
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: his brother and mother for. Something WHAT i, mean my
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: guess is. Money money does crazy things to, people and
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: the family business is where they all held their. Pride,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: now Perhaps, clifford being the youngest sibling and closest with the,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: mother was getting special attention From. Aida she could have
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: been giving him more, money or leaving him in charge
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: of the business or, ventures or potentially even. WILLS i don't,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: know but whatever it, IS i Think peter thought it
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: was irresponsible and he thought, him being the oldest, son
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: should be the one should be getting, this whether it
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: be in the, will being more in charge of, business
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: or maybe it's even the attention From. Aida either, WAY
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: i Think peter wanted control of The Red paths, estate
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: or at least more of. It he didn't like what
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: his mother was, doing and he didn't like the attention
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: his baby brother was. Getting Perhaps clifford was, gay maybe who,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Knows maybe that was enough of a reason for him
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: to kill his own brother in cold. Blood but In peter's,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: eyes these two were holding him and his family business,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: back and so they had to. Go so he took
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: matters into his own hands and ensured that they were
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: out of the. Picture that's WHAT i. Think. HMM i hate.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: THAT i literally just hate all of that because who
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: cares if you're the oldest? Sibling in my, opinion like who?
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Cares you have to like earn, That oh, YEAH i
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent have to earn if you're taking care
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: of the business or and just being oldest does not
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: always make you like the smartest or anything like like
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: who cares that you're the? Oldest?
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, NO i completely agree with, you like, one but
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: if you look at like the old school way of.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Thinking the old school, way, yeah.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: The oldest, son you, know look at that if you're
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: the oldest son in, Royalty, yeah you're like you're the
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: next in line to be king your, prience. Right. Yeah
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: it's just it's how it was so for a family
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: of such high status like, that the oldest son is
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: going to do what take over the. Business he's next in.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Line SO i Think peter had that mentality Of i'm
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: next in. Line why Is clifford getting the? Attention why
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Is mom giving him the? Attention it should be?
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Me and meanwhile they're probably just bonding or he's probably
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: taking care of her some. Shit so it's just, like
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: for love Of, GOD i don't love this story at,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: all AND i really wish there was more information.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: There LIKE i, said we're strapped for. Information this is.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: It.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Wow so what do you, Think, like do you agree
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: with my thoughts On peter?
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: THERE i, do, Yes LIKE i THINK i definitely think
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: that it was Not. CLIFFORD i JUST i don't know
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: for some, reason it's just not settling with. Me AND
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: i do think it was, him AND i think there
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: was definitely like some jealousy going on, there and especially
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: if he made it so that he was like the
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: only one home kind of thing. Too write like he
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: was probably thinking this. Through he's being very strategic with,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: it and then HE i don't, know he must have
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: used money or his power or something to do. More
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: because the fact that this was not looked investigated is
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: just nuts, fucked it's.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Nuts it's absolutely. Insane so whatever the, case, though the
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: truth and what really happened will probably it won't ever be.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Known the story of what happened was quite literally buried
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: With clifford And ada within forty eight. Hours the mansion
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: itself actually sat empty since nineteen eighty, six and was
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: hardly standing on its own even in more recent, years
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: until it was actually demolished in nineteen Or march nineteenth
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: of twenty. Fourteen what the. Heck, yeah the property owner
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: just kind of let it wrought.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Away i'm so surprised by. That, yeah that they could
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: have made that.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Into there were some people trying to save the, building
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: but it was just it was not taken care. Of
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: it was, dilapidated it was it was. Garbage, yeah the
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: building owner just let it rot.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Because it'd be really interesting to visit that. Nowadays but
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: then also two people to get murdered in. There so,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: yeah not the great of the greatest of. Histories.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Huh so that is the case of The Red Path mansion.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: MURDERS i would be so intrigued too to know, if,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: like if the dad had survived or still, lived if
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: something like this could even have, happened you.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Know, yeah that's. True it's hard to. Say maybe he
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: would have been on that hit list, too because maybe someone,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: thinks you, KNOW i got to get through him to
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: be the one who has controlled the.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Estate oh, wow h.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Hm so it could have been even more gruesome.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Then and then This peter guy just went on his
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: way and still made. Sugar and, yeah blah blah, blah
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: and The Red Path Sugar company is still selling sugar.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Today.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: INTERESTING i don't know If i'm ever gonna look At
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: Red Path sugar again the same.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Way just it's kind of a funny little way to
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: look at. It Red path just to me is like
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: a path painted in.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Blood, YEAH i hate, that thanks a. LOT i already went,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: there AND i just don't love. This what's the other
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: kind of sugar? Brands i'm gonna buy the other.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Just going right for someone else because you can't even
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: think of it, Now.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Oh my, goodness huh, wow what a.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Story, Yeah and and to be, Fair i'm sure that
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: The Red Path Sugar company is a very well built.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Company it's not. Fine i'm sure they're not like they're
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: actually built on a blood path or. Anything i'm just
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: the one person just wanted to get in that business
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: and had potentially had to get into the business and
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: needed to do what they needed to.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Do so, yeah it does have it does have a
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: VERY i don't even know the word, here but unsettling.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: History oh, Yeah.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: SO i want everyone out there, listening hit us up
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: on social, media let us know what you think, happened
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: because this is a weird. Case this is a weird
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: episode because of the lack of, Information SO i want
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: to hear your.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: THEORIES i mean, really the main theories are it's Like
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: clifford or It's, peter, RIGHT i.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Mean the main. Ones, yeah there are potential thoughts of you,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: know being intruders Or i'm sure the hired hit, men
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: like it's the list literally goes, On, YEAH i. Could
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: there's no evidence to suggest, anything so anything is just a.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Theory, Okay Well i'm gonna get off here and go
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: look at this match BECAUSE i want to see what
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: looks all.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Right, well thanks for, listening, guys don't get to hit.
• 42:50
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• 42:52
  Speaker 1: can let us know what your theory is in this.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Case Our patreon link below as, well and the footnotes
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: of this. Show you've got Arch, yeah you got it.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: All we're out.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: There we're out, there so thanks for. Listening you guys are.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Awesome, yeah we appreciate you being. Here and as of,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: course as, always.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Until next, episode stay.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Wicked