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Why Men's Rights didn't exist before Roma! Gamified dating? | Rantzerker 216 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Coming to you live from deep within a rainy and muddy and still not very
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  summary radioactive wasteland. We are the survivors of the alt right keck Apocalypse,
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  the few, the brave, the bitchy, once more wading into battle against
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  the ROMA hordes, the froggy lobster hordes, the currently relevant army, the
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  army I don't want to wait into battle against them. Just maybe just a
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  slight correction. Anyway, this is why men's rights didn't exist before Roma plus
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  gamified dating question mark ran Zurker number two one six. So the second,
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  the first topic, we're going to dress the assertion that men's rights activism and
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  men's issues advocacy did not exist before Roma, did it? Maybe that women's
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  advocacy, Yeah, women's advocacy did not exist before Roma started to do said
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  advocacy. So we're going to address that. And then after that we are
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  going to cover a topic that Brian suggested. So why don't you I'll put
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  you on the spot here, Brian tell us about that topic, why you
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  want to bring it up, why you want us to discuss it, and
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  all the all the juicy details. Well, okay, I saw this video.
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  It was just like, while I was doing some house stuff around here,
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  Chris Williamson was speaking to a man named Richard or I'm sorry, Jonathan
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  Height, and they were the videos called the Shocking Difference between How Boys and
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  Girls Use Technology, and I thought it was kind of interesting because it was
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  essentially discussing the way that men and women are young young young teenagers mostly are
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  experiencing the world through their online interactions. And it is exactly as I had
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  said in the past, where I said that social media is essentially call of
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  duty for girls, so you know, like they use social media to compete,
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  to dominate each other, to war, yeah, to wage war exactly.
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  And boys they play war in video games. And Jonathan Hyde talks about
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  how boys use video games as a socializing tool, and that was, you
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  know, particularly interesting to me because I am a gamer, but also because
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  of all this gamer Gate two stuff going on, so I thought it would
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  be and I thought it was just interesting. And Alison was asking me for,
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  you know, my thoughts on I guess some other stuff we can talk
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  about. So all right, that's it, Alison, you're muted. Why
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  are you muted? I was, Oh, you did that on okay?
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  I no, I didn't do it on purpose. I did accidentally. But
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  what I was saying is I suggested a secondary topic because I don't think Roma
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  is going to take all of two hours to respond to m I don't know
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  that it might. Uh, it might take two hours. Who knows.
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  With the with me and Karen talking, you never know, Okay, but
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  and feed the Badger dot Com slash just the tip to send us a tip
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  and a comment. So shall we just roll film? All right? So
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  this is from Twitter. It was shared with us by Paul Johnson, and
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  it is a TikTok video by Chloe Roma. Coloi Roma has been well,
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  she's basically like a men's issues advocate that uses short videos and like very you
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  know, punchy stuff to make her points. And she has been doing this
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  for about five years according to her. And uh, well, let's just
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  let's just watch this and and see what she says. So I just got
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  accused by the masses on my TikTok live of being a narcissist. Across all
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  my socials, I have that I'm the number one the men's rights advocate in
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  the world. And let me explain something to you for those who don't understand.
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  Before I was on social media doing what I do, nobody did it.
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  You had Jordan Peterson telling men to make their beds and that was contributing
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  towards positive mental health. That's it. So a lot of your favorite advocates,
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  I absolutely crawled through shit so that they can walk and run today.
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  I don't put that on my socials because I'm a narcissist. I put it
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  there so I can show you guys that I know exactly what the fuck I'm
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  talking about. Do you guys want Do you guys want to respond to that
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  real quick? No? She knows exactly what she's talking about. Five years,
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  five years who's paved the way? Right? If she hadn't started doing
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  this five years ago, me and Allison would never have started doing it.
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  And Hannah, yeah, you started doing it twelve years ago, Lauren twelve
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  fourteen years ago. Anna started doing Yeah, twelve fourteen years ago, possibly
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  even longer if you include her time with the men's or father's rights movement.
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  And I wouldn't have started doing this in the early two thousand, says almost
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  over twenty years ago. No, it's like, literally, you need a
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  time machine for these people. Yes, So that's like, I mean,
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  just to clarify the points that she's she's offering, she's saying that before she
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  started five years ago, there's nobody else, no one else was doing this.
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  Yeah, no one else would have been able to do it, and
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  everybody who's doing it now is able to do it because she did the work
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  before. She laid the foundation. She laid the road. She paved the
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  road for all of us to like be able to walk barefoot and not cut
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  our feet up, you know, and beautiful silky road. Yeah, no,
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  this is this is what I mean. I'm not demanding that anybody bow
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  to me, you know, like I'm some kind of goddess or something like
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  that. Okay, but you could, at least as an individual who came
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  into this late in the game, late in the game, right, you
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  could at least admit there were people who came before you. Who did she
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  learn any of this from? No, she just invented it. Like Warren
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  Ferrell, the stuff that I she created Warren Ferrell, she breathed, She
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  molded him from clay and breathed the Holy Spirit into him, and he allowed
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  him to walk into the garden. Yeah, sit back in a time machine,
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  you know, to the nineteen seventies, Like, what the hell?
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  Right? You say what you will about Pearl, Say what you will about
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  Pearl. She at the very least acknowledges that people existed in this the men's
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  issues a face before she did, and even talks to them. Oh she's
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  humble. She's actually quite humble, right, Like, I mean, you
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  can say that she comes across as egotistical when she kind of slaps women down
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  for their bad behavior, right, that she's coming at it from a position
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  of, you know, like I'm not like that, right, you know,
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  kind of the one good woman syndrome, if you want to put it
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  that way. You could say that maybe she comes across like that, but
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  the only women, right. And I don't know whether she's talking about just
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  women's women advocates for men or whether she's talking about any advocates for men,
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  But regardless of what she's talking about, right, Like, you have so
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  many people, you know, leading Women for Shared Parenting and Women against Paternity
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  Fraud and all of these like these are actual nonprofit or charitable groups, right,
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  that are run by women that are advocating for certain issues for men,
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  fairness in Alamo and child support and eliminating paternity fraud at least at least maybe
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  not eliminating it, but at least acknowledging that it's an injustice. Can we
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  please just agree on that tricking a man into raising someone else's child by telling
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  him it's his right, that's not right, and then waiting for him to
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  find out when the kid needs a kidney or like a bone marrow transplant.
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  And it turns out that all four of the boys belonged to the Maddleman m
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  Yeah, And I mean we've had ladies for shared parenting on Honey Badger Radio.
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  We've talked to them during their initiatives, like the initiatives years and years
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  and years ago. And then what about Aaron and yeah and her work and
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  Hennis Fiamengo and her work. I mean, what is it? And all
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  of these people exist and just all just Roma. It's all Roma. Roma
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  did all the work she did, All the intellectual WARSS movement was born five
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  years ago. What about Cassie j for Fox's sake? Like, I'm not
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  sure what I mean. I suppose Roma made the word less stigmatized. I
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  guess you could give her that. Maybe, I'm just not like, what
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  has she added anything except just talking about like has she done think pieces,
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  has she analyzed stuff, has she presented particular arguments or is she just repurposing
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  what everybody else has done and then has the audacity to say that she paid
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  the road for it. Because I don't think that I recall any new ideas
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  coming from Roma. Like she's just saying the things that other people have said,
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  you know, and fair enough she's popularizing it. That's I mean,
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  possibly because the algorithm favors her for some reason, but she's popularizing it fair
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  enough that in of itself is a value. But at the same time as
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  you wouldn't have the things you say without the people who came before you saying
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  them, Yeah, well and thinking thinking about them, right, Like yeah,
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  like people people weren't thinking about fem apocalypse. Right. I picked apart
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  a couple of a couple of ideas and put them together into a thesis,
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  right as to you know, why society is actually headed off a cliff and
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  how feminism is kind of pushing us further and further toward that cliff, and
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  we don't want to admit it because that would be criticizing women and female hyperwagency.
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  You gave me that idea, right with your inflatable femme article right years
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  ago? Yeah, it was ages ago, right, And you know,
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  like every time I borrow a phrase or an idea from somebody, or you
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  know, even if I build on top of it, or I always I
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  always try to give credit to who that was, or to say that this
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  wasn't my idea, right, Like, nobody's going to care, and at
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  least of all the guy on Reddit who said it, who I heard it
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  from first, Right, he's not going to care that whether I credit him
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  or not. And nobody is going to know who he is anyway, right
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  because all I know is his user name, and he's not particularly well known.
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  But I mean, when somebody says something that clever, right, that
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  you know, generalities exist. Believing that no one is an exception, makes
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  you a bigot. Believing everyone is an exception makes you an idiot, right,
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  And so when I use that, I'm like, I heard this from
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  just you know, this very intelligent person online, and you know, like
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  you have to actually you have to pay back and pay forward at the same
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  time. And this kind of idea that she has that she lives in a
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  in a like she's floating on a on a cloud, you know, imitating
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  above the rest of us, and you know, and she's providing the wisdom
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  that has guided us for you know, twenty years yeah, five years ago
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  or one hundred years yeah, Because I mean, you could go back even
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  further right, e Belford backs chin wid Su right, all of these chin
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  Waizu's The Anatomy of Female Power, absolutely brilliant read was out of print.
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  I forget who was I think it was John the other found a copy and
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  scanned it by hand and uh and put it online. But but yeah,
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  no, like you had all of these thinkers all the way back Florence Nightingale
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  as you were saying this afternoon analysis, and well, I mean, if
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  we just restricted to women, you have you have let's see who's who's he
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  who brought up other than Karen Karen Dacrowe and uh oh, Sylvia Pankhurst mm
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  hmm. Sylvia Pankhurst, you know, like her her mother was Emmeline Pankhurst,
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  who's honored has a statue in Britain as like the most famous suffragette.
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  And Sylvia broke off from her family when she saw how the Suffragettes considered,
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  like completely disregarded the suffering of men, particularly since it was in the middle
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  of World War One. Yeah, you were saying, she was a nurse,
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  and that's when she started to start. I think she was. I
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  think she was a nurse and she she was definitely volunteering in or you know,
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  uh, she helping, yeah, helping with the military, helping look
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  after the wounded veterans and stuff like that. And and she she was just
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  blown away by what she saw and by the fact that her, her mother
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  and her sister were not only campaigning for a draft to force men to go
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  to war, but that they were bitching and whining that they didn't have the
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  same rights as the men who were expected to put themselves through this. Mm
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  hmm. Yeah, it's pretty astounding. You know mother Jones too. Mother
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  Jones, she was an advocate. She was oh no, she was.
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  She was all for like because when men were advocates for their own rights,
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  you know, as you know, labor union advocates, right, they just
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  got their kneecaps broken, m right. So she was a huge organizer of
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  pro union activities and for not just for working men, but for working children.
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  And she she actually did some major publicity stunts like marching, marching a
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  bunch of women and children from I think it was Philadelphia all the way to
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  Washington, d C. Right, and and you know, we're going on
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  this march for our men. She mobilized women to fight for their men,
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  to fight for their men's right right to have a safe working environment and a
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  fair wage. Yeah, I mean on the left, you could look at
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  Mother Jones. But also and I guess Sylvia Pankinhurst was also more of a
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  socialist. But yeah, but and also the weather, the weather underground,
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  which I know is pretty contentious. But when they were fighting against the draft,
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  they did do that too, like they destroyed draft records to prevent men
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  having to go to war. And I can appreciate them for that and almost
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  nothing else. But but you know, there's been and also all of the
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  female the judges in like the twenties who spoke out against four alimony reform and
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  against men being expected to breach of promise laws, like men being expected to
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  to give women money because they supposedly they supposedly promised called off or promised to
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  relation, yeah, promised to marry. Like there there's all kinds of even
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  the and and then there's Esther Vilner and s their villain. Yeah. I
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  always put an N in there for some reason. Yeah, and the manipulated
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  man like that. And I even put forth Madam Carey with developing the mobile
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  X ray machines that helped troops in World War One. Uh, so she
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  was actually dealing with a men's issue, although I don't think she was political
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  at all, so I don't think she would. I don't think she considered
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  it a men's issue. I think she considered it a humanitarian issue. Yeah,
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  humanitarian would necessarily mean that she considered men human beings, which is saying
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  a lot during the war. Well, you know, when we wanted to
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  send men to war to die for our for our own privileges and benefits and
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  entitlements, we don't really want to regard their suffering as something that they're giving
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  us, but something that they owe us. Yeah. Well, and because
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  they're not, they're not. If they're humans, they're not on the same
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  level as the ones who are truly human who are protected by them. Anyway,
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  this is ridiculous. This is a ridiculous assertion. And if people are
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  calling her a narcissist or an egotist, oh I I don't think that they're
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  Yeah, I don't think they're like too far off. So well, not
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  based on this, this this information, well this grand I mean the fact
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  that she's mad. I mean she should have used this as the opportunity for
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  some introspection you know, in terms of how she comes across. Yeah,
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  but also I think, isn't she getting bodied by Pearl? Mmmm, they're
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  kind of on the same Like they're very similar. You're talking about like the
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  growth of their channels. I don't think Pearl sees it as a competition.
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  No, but they don't. I'm not saying, but does no, I
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  know, I know, but I mean, like they haven't spoken of each
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  other. Like Roma's not talking to Pearl. She's just kind of like hating
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  on her from a distance. So that's the last time I looked. They're.
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  Yeah, they're kind of they're they're they're kind of, uh, they're
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  not getting along. I don't know. Pearl is not really like that involved.
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  She's like doing her own thing, but yeah, kind of flailing in
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  the background. So yeah, No, it's it's like we've been through this
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  a couple of times. Mm hmmm, right where somebody is just feels aggrieved
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  that that they're I don't know, they're less successful, less involved, less
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  something, and they've just come out and just you know, on there in
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  their own private public space, right but their own controlled space, their own
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  blog or their own channel or whatever they've they've come at us and and tried
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  to rip us down, and it's like, where the fuck did that come
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  from? Yeah, well, I mean like, I don't think this is
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  directed at us, Like, honestly, I don't even think we all know
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  where that we exist. I think this is directed at Pearl. This is
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  basically I was saying, I paved the way for Pearl. I think that
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  I think. I mean, it's requires a little bit of reading between the
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  lines. But again, I don't think she feels threatened by I don't know,
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  a Voice for Men, n CFM, Honey Badger Radio, even I
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  guess, uh, the Canadian Association for I don't think she even is thinking
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  they're not they're not they're not eating into her numbers. Yeah we're not.
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  Yeah, we're not a threat. So we are completely irrelevant in all of
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  this. This is this is like an argument between well, a giant and
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  a potentially getting bigger giant. And she's basically I think she's directing this at
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  Pearl, like we are irrelevant in all of this. Uh even though we
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  I mean, well, clarity, we're irrelevant and she doesn't believe that we
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  exist exist. Years ago, I'm five years old, Yeah, five years
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  old. Everyone my advocacy is only five years old. I can I just
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  say before we get into this, first of all, we do have some
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  super check and uh super chats, I mean super chats. But I guess
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  what I what I wonder about is if she's been doing this for five years,
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  I don't think it's possible that she doesn't know who we are, or
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  Paul is or Janice is or you know, or even like guys that are
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  Aaron Pittsy like, I don't see how it's possible she doesn't think that we
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  exist or no, we exist. And I and I'll say this too,
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  I think that there might be some containment going on. You guys know what
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  I mean by that. Like I think I mentioned this yesterday when I was
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  doing a show with you, or maybe I did in the after show or
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  I was talking about how Ashley Saint Clair was on Triggernometry and we were responding
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  to her video and was, you know, oh, the misogyny and the
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  right is you know, a big problem. And I was talking I think
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  I might be talking with the patrons, and I was somehow what I think
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  is going on with people like Ashley Saint Clair and Triggernometry and Laurence Southern and
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  Sydney Watson is they know we exist, but there's something about something that we
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  discussed that they're not ready for, and so they they pretend like we don't
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  exist, or they exclude those things from the conversation. Do you guys know
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  what I'm saying. It's a kind of maintaining of the status quo or gatekeeping.
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  I think of it as containment. It's like, oh, we're going
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  to talk about these things, but we're going to keep it in here because
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  we don't want to, you know, damage our brand in some way or
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  whatever. And I think that because I had a guest on that Chloe Roma
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  had recommended she made a video where she was talking about other advocates that were
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  doing good work in her opinion, and of course our names didn't come up
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  at all, but she mentioned Emily King the Advocate, which I like their
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  videos. They're pretty cool. And then someone named tin Men or the tin
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  Men, and I had tin Men on my show, and tin Men he
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  discusses men's issues, but he does it in like a leftist framework. That's
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  the only way I can put it. It's a leftist framework where it incorporates
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  aspects of intersectionality and feminism into it. But it makes it work or play
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  nice with men's issues, right, which means that it's kind of stuck.
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  It's not going to be able to really make a lot of progress. But
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  it's good for his brand because he was able to get on Chris Williamson,
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  he was able to get on Piers Morgan show. He was able. You
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  know, he's like he's blowing up. And I was talking to the patrons
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  yesterday and I said, you know, this is why we're probably never going
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  to get there, because we are not safe for your brand, you know
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  what I mean? So I get it. I get it, Like,
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  Okay, see have you had the Daisy Cousins and the the what's the other
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  the other one from Australia? Uh oh Watson Sydney Sidney Watson. Sidney Watson.
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  She was from Australia. She lives in the States. But yeah,
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  but you have you have you know, these people who who come at men's
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  issues come at men's advocacy from a traditionalist perspective, right, Even people like
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  Lauren Southern and stuff like that, they always sort of came at it from
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  a conservative, traditionalist perspective. And then you have the ones that come at
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  it from the leftist, intersectionalist, progressive perspective, right, and those two
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  boxes are legitimate boxes within the Overton window. They're considered, you know,
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  legitimate frameworks in which to like shoehorn men's issues. Yes, that's not going
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  to that's not going to actually help anything. It's not going to get you
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  very far in terms of solving the problems, because the problem is traditionalism,
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  and the problem is yes, right, and it's the problem is that the
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  horrible two headed hydra that is the ghastly love child of traditionalism and feminism,
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  right, and so but every time we unpack things on the traditionalist side,
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  every time we pick it apart and criticize it, we're suddenly persona non grata
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  among that group of people who tackle men's issues in a way that's palatable to
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  traditionalists, you know, and likewise for the progressive stuff. When we attack
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  them and pick apart their ideas and say well, this isn't good enough,
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  right, you didn't think through this all the way, right, and you're
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  still perpetuating the problem. They're not going to invite us to their party either.
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  Yeah. Yeah, Anyway, moved the line to men's issues because I
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  know I'm not. I don't consider myself conservative. I don't have I don't
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  really put myself in a position on the American political spectrum, you know,
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  and uh, and I talk about these things, and I know exactly what
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  you're talking about, Karen, because it's the difference is are you going to
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  talk about men's issues in service of your particular political agenda? And that could
• 27:38
  be conservatism, it can be leftism, it can be socialism, it can
• 27:41
  be feminism. You know, are you going to talk about those things in
• 27:45
  terms of advancing that agenda? Are you going to talk about it in with
• 27:49
  its own like that it is its own thing agenda, it's its own agenda
• 27:55
  or its own you know, it's like and put that first? Do you
• 28:00
  put men first? Or do you put your ideology first? And they're you
• 28:03
  know, that's a challenging thing to say to people, And I think part
• 28:07
  of it is that we are not by doing that, we're not necessarily identifying
• 28:15
  the enemies that they want identified. So if we identify intersectionality as having a
• 28:22
  harm to men in this way, traditionalists might be interested in us right.
• 28:27
  But if we say chivalry has a harm to men in this way, that
• 28:32
  then progressives might be interested in us because we're using men's issues to identify enemies
• 28:38
  in their mind. But at the end of the day, we're not we're
• 28:44
  using men's issues. We're not using men's issues. We're just identifying men's issues,
• 28:48
  you know what I mean. It's it's like a lot of the emphasis
• 28:52
  that I think a lot of these parties have is on identifying enemies and wanting
• 29:00
  to identifying the opposing party as an enemy, Whereas I think ultimately what we're
• 29:03
  saying is it's it's on all of us. It's something that we have to
• 29:08
  change in all of us. It's a blind spot that progressives have. It's
• 29:11
  a blind spot that conservatives have. It's a blind spot that socialists and I
• 29:17
  don't know if capitalists what does even mean capitalism? But you know, obviously
• 29:22
  libertarians have this blind spot because it's just cratered. The parties just cretered,
• 29:26
  you know, and it's like this is this I warned them, I warned
• 29:32
  them in Nashua. Yeah, even even even Christians they have this blind spot.
• 29:38
  And there in a lot of cases they're their religion is creatoring around that
• 29:42
  blind spot, which is men have vulnerabilities, which means women have responsibilities and
• 29:49
  obligations to their community, to their husbands, their children, you know,
• 29:55
  like to their and to their fathers, to their sons, to their brothers.
• 29:59
  And there is no enemy in this. This is just a dynamic that
• 30:02
  needs to be fixed. Like, you know, women aren't necessarily the enemy.
• 30:07
  Maybe they are, I don't know, maybe we want to go there,
• 30:08
  but but they just are looking more and more like the Party of Single
• 30:15
  Women is getting worse and worse. But it's like it's women are not necessarily
• 30:21
  the enemy. It's behaviors that are going unaddressed. Yeah, and and and
• 30:26
  that's that's just not great because what I've noticed is that people like to have
• 30:30
  enemies. And if we if you're out there saying no, you just got
• 30:36
  to fix certain things. There's no enemy here. You just got to take
• 30:40
  the car into the garage and fix it. Like there's there's nothing fun about
• 30:44
  that. It's just maintenance work. And I don't think people are open to
• 30:48
  it. It's not just that we're controversial, it's that we're not confrontational enough
• 30:52
  to well, we've we've also gotten so used to things, right, Like
• 30:56
  I can I consider myself a conservative at least on the like Barbone's political spectrum
• 31:03
  of you know, like what government should involve itself in. And but I
• 31:08
  think that when when we look at it, it's not just that it's it's
• 31:12
  maintenance work, and it's it's not glamorous or whatever. It's actually really hard.
• 31:18
  It's actually really hard. Two, because we've become used to, like
• 31:25
  women especially have like being a stay at home wife and mother these days,
• 31:34
  right, Like, that's not what my grandmother would have experienced if she'd been
• 31:41
  lucky enough to be a stay at home mother, right, she would have
• 31:45
  she would have been working fourteen hours a day, right, you know,
• 31:51
  with chapped hands. And so I mean, like I think that I think
• 31:57
  that women's expectationations of what their lives should be like have changed because you know,
• 32:05
  like and their behaviors, right, in response to not getting the things
• 32:08
  that they want have have Like they used to be contained by one social and
• 32:16
  cultural norms, right and restrictions, and two just the reality of life.
• 32:27
  Right, you can't go out to a nightclub on a Wednesday night when you're
• 32:31
  sitting at home with a laundry mangle, ringing out the washing washing that you
• 32:37
  washed on your your coal stove, right, that's just not something that it's
• 32:44
  possible to do. You can't live in a selfish way unless you were very,
• 32:52
  very wealthy back then. You could not live as a woman in a
• 32:55
  selfish way. You had to work, and you had to be a team
• 33:00
  with your husband, and you had to have children that you could basically send
• 33:05
  out the door to run down to the store with a tuppence to buy,
• 33:10
  you know, a bag of flour or whatever. Right, you had to
• 33:13
  be able to trust your six year old to be able to do that and
• 33:15
  get home right, because you were busy looking after the baby and doing the
• 33:21
  washing and doing the cooking and all of those things, and beating the carpets
• 33:23
  and if you were lucky enough to not have dirt floors. Right, So
• 33:29
  like this this was you couldn't be a narcissistic, selfish woman back then unless
• 33:37
  you were like one of the super wealthy, one of the top. But
• 33:40
  even them, I present, like I have what I've read a lot of
• 33:45
  history. Those women were expected to in a lot of ways fight for their
• 33:51
  families, sure, and they were expected and they were expected to know how
• 33:57
  when they were well served. Right, And being able to know when you
• 34:00
  were well served meant that you know how to do laundry because you've done it,
• 34:07
  and you know how to dip candles because you've done it. And you
• 34:09
  know how to rotate the stoock in the pantry because you've done it right.
• 34:16
  And you know all of these things because you've done it. And you have
• 34:20
  all of the keys in the house to all of the larders in the closets
• 34:23
  and stuff like that because you and you know where everything is, and you
• 34:27
  maintain the books, and you maintain the close the stockpiles of everything, and
• 34:32
  you look after all of that and you supervise it all because and you know
• 34:37
  how to do every task, because if you don't, then you won't know
• 34:42
  whether your servants are doing it right. So even if you were insanely wealthy,
• 34:45
  you were still expected to be working full time, just in a managerial
• 34:50
  role for a larger household, and also dealing with and everything a Jane of
• 34:55
  all things. Yeah, and also dealing with politics and and networking, right
• 35:00
  and yeah, okay, like who to invite and who not to mm hmm
• 35:08
  okay, So shall we get a little bit more unless you want ye,
• 35:12
  Well, I got I just wanted to say a couple of things. I
• 35:19
  want to get back to Cloy Roma. So my point being, if you've
• 35:22
  been doing this for five years, I don't think it's possible that you're simply
• 35:27
  not aware of all of the people who you are literally taking your talking points
• 35:32
  from. So you are likely just concealing that information and hoping that nobody looks
• 35:39
  into it. But anyway, I don't know what you guys think in the
• 35:42
  comments. Let me know, do you think Coloi Roma knows about people like
• 35:45
  Paul and Janie and Karen and Alison and talking Yeah, where is she getting
• 35:52
  this? Because with pearl we learned that she got a lot of it from
• 35:55
  Kevin Samuels and you can see that, and she has confessed this watch that
• 36:00
  she got into it. So there's no shame there because it's an admission and
• 36:04
  it's fair and it's understandable. So you know, I'm wondering because I mean,
• 36:07
  she's obviously not a fan of Andrew Tate. She talks about him a
• 36:10
  lot in a Bad Life. She doesn't like Pearls, she doesn't like Fresh
• 36:13
  and Fit, and yet she names those people, but the all of the
• 36:16
  talking points she brings up are not those people's talking points. They're the talking
• 36:21
  points of people that we know, people like Angry Larry, people like man
• 36:27
  woman myth you know. So yeah, be nice to know why she wouldn't
• 36:31
  share that information, Like does she bring up like talking points that we've had
• 36:36
  or well, yeah, I mean at the very least, yeah, I
• 36:39
  think Karen, Yeah, absolutely, like definitely ours. But I'm just oh,
• 36:44
  just leave out Karen. I don't want to put I don't want to
• 36:47
  put us on a pedicel. I'm just saying it's the same talking points.
• 36:51
  But if if Roma has actually mentioned me ever, okay, I'm flattered.
• 36:58
  But uh but this ran kind of puts that to one side. Yeah,
• 37:05
  yeah, okay, let's watch it all right, well let me let's see
• 37:07
  the super chats and then we'll watch some more. Okay solo. Zarangs gave
• 37:10
  us two dollars thank you in super chat and says it is Chloie Roma you
• 37:14
  are like flies to her, which is a Ghostbusters to reference you guys don't
• 37:17
  remember that, And then Zaringx gives us another two dollars and says, you
• 37:23
  give credit by having neck tattoo for shame current you get a neck tattoo and
• 37:29
  then that will that will definitely, you know, get the attention that she
• 37:34
  deserves. But anyway, let's play more of the video the rest of it.
• 37:37
  You guys want to pretend like men are just so stupid, like they
• 37:40
  can't tell when somebody is grifting saying something just for views or money or attention.
• 37:45
  I'm five years running in this shit and I still trend. I still
• 37:50
  go viral to this day. You can accuse me of being a narcissist.
• 37:53
  You can say I only do this for male validation. You can try to
• 37:57
  discredit me any which way you want. But the reality is is that my
• 38:00
  statistics and my fans and my audience speak for them fucking selves. Two fans,
• 38:07
  billion impressions on YouTube speak for itself. I don't put that there because
• 38:10
  I'm a narcissist. I put that there so that you know that I take
• 38:14
  value and pride in what I do, and I will do it till the
• 38:17
  day I found you out. Thank you, fans. Yeah, I mean,
• 38:28
  you know, like he'sing that. That's that's a weird word. That's
• 38:31
  the word I've always like, really disliked. Yeah, me too, Fans.
• 38:37
  Listeners, That's why I call them listenators. Well, no listeners viewers,
• 38:44
  subscribers, followers, you know, all of it, because but fans,
• 38:50
  fans is about celebrity. Mm hmm. It's not about Oh I see
• 38:55
  what you're saying. I see what you're saying. Oh God, you're right.
• 39:00
  I don't think I've ever used the word fans. I've probably used it
• 39:04
  a couple of times, but it's you know, it always tastes bad in
• 39:09
  my mouth. Well, I don't even like, I don't even like to
• 39:13
  think of it numbers, because you know, how many of her fans does
• 39:16
  she even know? Don't I don't she even thinks about that? But well,
• 39:22
  I don't, you know, like your audience gets big enough you don't
• 39:24
  know who they are. Yeah, yeah, you don't know all of them
• 39:27
  are, but but you do, you know, you do kind of know
• 39:30
  when you go through the comments, whether they like I get the occasional even
• 39:37
  now on some of my older videos, back when I was still good looking,
• 39:40
  before I hit menopause and you know, a wall, but but I
• 39:47
  still, you know, like I had a few like will you marry me?
• 39:52
  You know, and stuff like that, and oh my god, you're
• 39:54
  beautiful and things like that. But but mostly was just people expressing gratitude that
• 40:02
  somebody was saying what I said, like that was really what it was is,
• 40:09
  you know, thank you for speaking up. Thank you for saying what
• 40:13
  I've always sort of known but didn't know how to express or articulate. Right,
• 40:21
  But I always knew there was something off, and you've expressed it perfectly.
• 40:25
  It just when I heard you explain it that way, it just clicked
• 40:31
  and everything just came into focus. And so I know they aren't they aren't
• 40:39
  being like, it's not that I'm some kind of celebrity. I could be
• 40:45
  any woman. I could be some like fat woman, some even more hideously
• 40:52
  old woman, you know, like I could be I could be anyone saying
• 40:55
  these things, as long as it's a woman, because most of the people
• 41:00
  would say if it was a man, I would have clicked away in the
• 41:02
  first fifteen seconds, right, but if you were a man. But but
• 41:08
  yeah, no, it's it's it's like the idea of having fans, you
• 41:14
  know. And it always made me uncomfortable at conferences when people would come up
• 41:17
  to me and say, oh, can I take a selfie with you?
• 41:20
  You know, and and okay, I just want to shake your hand and
• 41:23
  everything, and you do it and and you know, and it's it's nice,
• 41:30
  right, and and it's it's not that I hate it, but it
• 41:36
  always made me a little bit uncomfortable because I was like, is this a
• 41:39
  cult of personality? Like is this turning into something that for me more yeah,
• 41:46
  more than the issue for me. Well, the way that I looked
• 41:52
  at it is once you get that level of fame, and this is what
• 41:55
  I've noticed over and over again, once you get to a certain level of
• 41:59
  fame where it takes over your life, your exploration sort of ceases and you're
• 42:07
  you're no longer breaking a new ground, You're sort of retreading your highlights.
• 42:13
  And for me, I was always thinking that, oh no, I've got
• 42:15
  to get deeper. I got to go deeper. There's more to this,
• 42:19
  There's more layers underneath the layers. And that's sort of what's driven me throughout
• 42:23
  the years and just trying to figure out what is that, what is at
• 42:29
  the very very core of the whole thing, you know. And and because
• 42:32
  of that, I think it reduces the scope of of for example, my
• 42:38
  reach. I suppose I've noticed that if I do shorts and everything, it
• 42:44
  keeps things a little bit simpler and more I would say it's superficial. It
• 42:47
  reaches a further, a bigger audience. But at the same time as I'll
• 42:52
  do that, but my passion lies in trying to get to the very center
• 42:57
  of things and find the deeper layer. And in order to become someone who
• 43:04
  it appeals to a really wide audience, you sort of have to give up
• 43:07
  that process. And I don't know if I'm really want to if that makes
• 43:10
  sense, because that's how it thrills me, is is discovering new things.
• 43:17
  And unfortunately that means that like it, you're like, again, your your
• 43:23
  scope is narrowed in terms of the people who are even gonna just watch you
• 43:28
  discover new things. And you know it's fine, like I when I when
• 43:32
  you know, there's a little bit of jealousy over people like Roma and Pearl.
• 43:37
  But then I thought about it and I'm like, but I don't want
• 43:39
  to do that work, like popularizing, Like that's not the kind of stuff
• 43:45
  that really interests me. I mean I can do it. When I was
• 43:49
  doing the shorts, it was doing really well. I don't know if I
• 43:51
  can still pick it up anymore. The YouTube's algorithm might have killed that right
• 43:53
  now. But but but when I was doing the shorts, it was doing
• 43:58
  well. But at the same time, I'm is I did them because I
• 44:01
  was sort of burnt out on really deep thinking, because I had just finished
• 44:06
  a very complicated novel, or at least the first draft of a very complicated
• 44:09
  novel, and I was just wanting to do simple stuff, and you know,
• 44:14
  and it found an audience, and I feel bad for stopping it,
• 44:16
  But at the same time as it was a little bit rarefied for me to
• 44:21
  just want to take a month off and do stupid shit, you know,
• 44:24
  stupid sort of shallow, funny shit, and and then I wanted to get
• 44:29
  back into going deep. And you know, people, it's it's it's it's
• 44:34
  off putting. And I and I don't mean to sound like I'm like,
• 44:37
  oh, you need a thousand IQ to appreciate me. It's just that,
• 44:40
  you know, if you're bringing up new stuff, people don't like new stuff.
• 44:44
  They like their own opinions repeated back to them. In many cases.
• 44:47
  Yeah, no, I mean like, I could have kept my channel going,
• 44:51
  and you know, I've mostly abandoned it, but I could have kept
• 44:53
  it going, and I could have come up with I guess probably a twenty
• 44:57
  minute essay once once a month or something like that, and and continue to
• 45:01
  put out content. But but life, I just I just felt like,
• 45:07
  well, there, you know, there was life things, things going on
• 45:12
  in my life. But at the same time, I found other things to
• 45:17
  dive deep into that just kind of fell into my lap. And you know,
• 45:23
  i'd I was already feeling like I had pretty much said all there was
• 45:30
  to say in terms of the topic of you know, anti feminism, men's
• 45:36
  issues and things like that. I could probably get into a little bit of
• 45:42
  a dive into you know, conservatism and where it goes wrong. But but
• 45:49
  you know, between COVID and UH and then you know the UH, the
• 45:57
  jibby jabs and then certain things that happen politically and all of that. Like
• 46:07
  when I see something off right that just doesn't make sense and I have the
• 46:13
  ability now to look into it, and I think that it's an important thing,
• 46:21
  I'm going to go I'm going to go researching. I'm going to go
• 46:25
  speed lunking into those rabbit holes. And because I feel like, you know,
• 46:35
  that needs to come to light and I want to know what's going on
• 46:40
  right, and that's the thing I want to know what's going on. And
• 46:43
  I feel like, you know, at least in terms of at least in
• 46:47
  terms of what the problem is with men, women, culture and law and
• 46:55
  all of them. I'm pretty sure I know what's going on there. And
• 47:01
  so I I just I just got drawn into other things that I wanted to
• 47:07
  figure out. I just I wanted to figure them out, and and so
• 47:13
  I did that, and you know, it's it's been. It's been a
• 47:19
  very isolated endeavor, right, I haven't really been talking about it a whole
• 47:25
  lot except in comments sections and a little bit on X. But it's definitely
• 47:32
  been. Well, I don't want to bum everybody out, so let's just
• 47:40
  leave it at that. All right, Well that's all the super child,
• 47:45
  So let's get Oh, we finished a video, but I guess we could
• 47:51
  look at f House Bundy's response video, so you know, f House Bunny
• 47:58
  on Twitter made a response, so we can look at her response to it.
• 48:02
  I thought I was pretty good. I just got accused by the masses
• 48:06
  on my TikTok live of being a narcissist because, oh, dear Ernest Balfour
• 48:13
  backs began talking about men's rights issues one hundred years ago. Then we have
• 48:17
  Dr Warren Farrell in the nineteen seventies. We also have Erin Pizzy who then
• 48:22
  involved into the MRM. We then have Paul Elamb. We then have the
• 48:29
  Honey Badgers. I had to stop and giggle because that was laughable. Karen
• 48:35
  Strawn, I mean, hello, no competition. And I've listed and there's
• 48:40
  more. Sorry, there's more. There's the UK Advocates. There's so many
• 48:45
  that have been here long, longer than five years. I've been here,
• 48:47
  ten years, eleven years. I've been here now, from the fathers to
• 48:51
  the men's rights. It's laughable. Alison bush Ll, Lisa Chamberlain, Belinda
• 48:57
  Brown, the list is endless. There's so many eccentric Oh my god.
• 49:01
  I could go on and on and on about how many people have been here.
• 49:07
  But it's not a competition. We don't make it a competition. That's
• 49:10
  why we're not called narcissists. That it's, as I said, not a
• 49:17
  competition. It's a serious thing. You're dealing with people's emotions. But are
• 49:22
  you though, if you're just sat in front of a camera doing what I'm
• 49:27
  doing right now, Because the majority in ninety five percent of my time is
• 49:30
  not sack doing what I'm doing now, and that I can speak for a
• 49:32
  lot of us. We're working one to one. You might be working through
• 49:37
  the night with a man that's suicidal. You might be working with a guy
• 49:39
  that hasn't seen his kids. You are dealing with emotions and we all the
• 49:45
  real hardcore, whether that you're an author of a book that you're sending it
• 49:49
  out, you're doing it in a way that you're helping others. Sitting and
• 49:53
  blowing smoke up your own ass is not an array. Oh oh that was
• 50:04
  gorgeous. I think I think that pretty much has everything to say. Like
• 50:10
  I mean, I mean, like even though it's not a competition thing,
• 50:14
  because it's not, I've always and I'm sure you have, Alison, You've
• 50:20
  always found people, right who had good ideas, who had maybe a talent
• 50:25
  that you don't or I don't or or you know would be welcome or you
• 50:30
  know, could get some traction, right, And what do we do.
• 50:34
  We try and encourage them, and we try and give them a platform,
• 50:37
  and we try and like help them out, and we try and draw attention
• 50:43
  to them, right because because it's not about the competition, it's not about
• 50:47
  who gets the most views, who has the most subscribers, who gets the
• 50:51
  most hearts, like the thumbs up whatever. Right, it's about it's about
• 50:58
  trying to spread the word right, And it's definitely not about who makes the
• 51:02
  most money, because anybody could tell you that if you're doing this right,
• 51:07
  you're probably not making it a whole lot of money. Well, I mean,
• 51:15
  like, uh, Honey Badger Radio is self sustaining in terms of that.
• 51:20
  I mean, I don't think we've everybody everybody in Honey Badger Radio.
• 51:23
  Okay, how many millionaires do you have? None? I've been living hand
• 51:30
  the mouth for the whole ten years. So this has just been like,
• 51:35
  yeah, you're not really going to make a hell of a lot here doing
• 51:37
  this, and you're going to risk a lot too. Yeah, and you're
• 51:43
  not gonna you're not gonna be able to build a media empire like you know,
• 51:45
  Ben Shapiro or going back or again. If you're doing it right,
• 51:52
  If you're doing it right, there is no specific enemy that you can point
• 51:55
  to. I mean, you could point to feminism, but feminism really is
• 52:00
  more like it's a behavior and an attitude than it really is as much a
• 52:04
  coherent set of beliefs. Because there's almost no coherency to it, and it's
• 52:09
  definitely not in relation to reality. So, I mean, you can boid
• 52:13
  to feminism and feminists, but really it kind of amounts to women wanting to
• 52:19
  have moral authority over men's own experience and wanting to dominate them morally, and
• 52:27
  that it can exist without feminism. Feminism is just a very good tool to
• 52:31
  that end. So you know, it's a behavior. Again, it's a
• 52:37
  behavior that you have to call out, and that way of not identifying clear
• 52:42
  enemies it has it just it doesn't necessarily appeal to people. So if you're
• 52:49
  doing it right and if you're keeping it to the advocacy for men, you
• 52:52
  probably aren't going to get a heck of a lot of attention because people just
• 52:59
  don't naturally care about men as much. I mean, there's a certain element
• 53:04
  of it, you know, like maybe there's elements of ginocentrism that are socialized
• 53:07
  more versus biological more. But ultimately, when you're looking at the statistics,
• 53:15
  people have a bias against caring about men's issues and also a bias towards thinking
• 53:20
  that it's okay to sacrifice what men if women ultimately benefit. So you're pushing
• 53:25
  back against that, and it's easier to just use men's issues in order to
• 53:32
  push another ideology or another agenda. You conserve it much or even finism feminists
• 53:43
  recognize that men should be that the whole thing about men expressing their emotions is
• 53:47
  feminism using so called men's issues to push their own agenda. Yeah no,
• 53:53
  I mean feminism admits that patriarchy hurts men too, right, so your enemy
• 54:00
  is patriarchy, right, and oh it hurts men too, so men should
• 54:05
  get on board with feminism. And it's like, oh my fucking god,
• 54:08
  right, so yeah, no, it's like they only they only use and
• 54:13
  then conservatism says, well, you know, okay, or traditionalism says,
• 54:16
  okay, well traditionalism puts like huge burdens on men, but at least they
• 54:21
  get respect right and acknowledgment for that. And that is the case, and
• 54:28
  that might actually be the best that we're ever going to be able to do,
• 54:32
  which is probably why it lasted for like ten thousand years. But there's
• 54:39
  not anymore like sacrificingly not they're sacrificing that recognition once again to try to benefit
• 54:49
  women, you know, and like they don't stand by their chops because they
• 54:53
  don't really understand caring about men, and well they care about their care about
• 55:00
  father's and father's rights as long as the mother didn't get sick of him and
• 55:05
  divorce him. Yeah, and that's the unfortunate part. Like it's it's like
• 55:08
  sticking to your guns. I mean, if she if Roma has stuck to
• 55:13
  her guns on this, I mean, it's bravo that she's managed to get
• 55:16
  so much attention while sticking to her guns. I do wonder if there's now
• 55:22
  a bit more of a market for just you know, rimming women, you
• 55:25
  know, being just passing. Yeah, like almost like a like a gadfly
• 55:34
  market, because maybe things have gone so far, they've gone so far that
• 55:44
  people are starting to have to acknowledge, right that women have become a problem.
• 55:52
  Right as you say, the Party of Single Women, as other people
• 55:59
  say, you know, liberal women, you know are and they put a
• 56:07
  lot of people, right and not not men's rights people, a lot of
• 56:13
  political commentators YouTubers and stuff right that that mostly just go by. They're like,
• 56:16
  yeah, no, liberal women are mentally ill, right, and the
• 56:22
  stats prove it in terms of diagnoses, having seen a therapist, having been
• 56:30
  put on a prescription psychiatric medication, Right, you know, like you look,
• 56:37
  you look at the political spectrum from conservative to liberal men and women right,
• 56:44
  liberal women, progressive women. The chart goes like this, from this
• 56:51
  from conservative men right to like liberal women in terms of some kind of indicator
• 56:59
  of mental illness, whether it's an official diagnosis or a prescription for antidepressants or
• 57:04
  anti anxiety mins or whatever. Right, so you know, And it came
• 57:08
  back to that question that they asked me on outsiders in Australia, which is,
• 57:15
  you know, like, does does feminism make women unhappy? Or do
• 57:21
  unhappy women, you know, seek feminism? And I was like six to
• 57:27
  one half of a dozen of the other like a little from column A,
• 57:30
  a little from column B. Because it's like number one. If you're miserable,
• 57:35
  you want an explanation for it, and feminism offers an easy explanation.
• 57:40
  Right, if you're depressed or anxious, or you know you're having like all
• 57:45
  kinds of difficulties psychologically and socially, right, feminism offers you a pat answer.
• 57:52
  Oh it's the patriarchy, right, But then it goes on to feed
• 57:55
  you and feed your anxiety and your depressed and because all it does is tell
• 58:01
  you that you're right, the entire world is out to get you. That
• 58:04
  can't be a happy message to go out every morning and face the world with.
• 58:09
  Yeah, you know, so it's self reinforcing. It's a self reinforced
• 58:15
  mental illness. And I've seen women who were feminists who who actually got out
• 58:23
  of it because they realized it was making them depressed, it was making them
• 58:30
  anxious, it was making them paranoid just to believe in it. Just to
• 58:35
  believe in it, it made them unhappy and dysfunctional. So, you know,
• 58:42
  like, this is why I've never been the whole Feminism only hurts men
• 58:49
  kind of person. It hurts women too, It absolutely does. It brainwashes
• 58:54
  them to think the entire world is out to get them, and it's a
• 58:58
  horrible way to live. But he's wearing pants. Oh he put on pants.
• 59:07
  Yeah, he has to walk behind the camera. My my husband got
• 59:10
  me this. It's a little uh has a dispenser with a care bear on
• 59:17
  it. So it reminds me of my childhood. Oh yeah, he's he's
• 59:22
  I think he it's very sweet. Why don't I had a friend who used
• 59:30
  to call me care bear high school? Yeah, I get it, until
• 59:37
  I threatened to stab her in the face with a pencil, and then she
• 59:40
  stopped. Okay, did you did you get the care bear? So people
• 59:46
  know what I'm talking about? Yeah I did, I got it. Yeah,
• 59:49
  Okay, why don't we move on to the second topic. Yeah,
• 59:54
  we can do that. I got a super che super child. Yeah,
• 1:00:00
  let's do those really quick and then we'll look at the other things. So
• 1:00:02
  ashthrun Astrun gave us five dollars and says, you're right, there is a
• 1:00:08
  time and place to call followers fans, But during a rant, in this
• 1:00:14
  context, she becomes more important than the principles she advocates for. Or do
• 1:00:20
  I not understand it correctly? It does seem that way. I don't want
• 1:00:22
  to tell people what Colorma is what's going on in her brain, but I
• 1:00:28
  don't think it looks very good. My only issue is that again, she
• 1:00:31
  acts as though she invented you know what, I'll say this to be fair,
• 1:00:37
  Okay, Clorroma sounds a bit like Rollo, so Rollo. Tamasi will
• 1:00:42
  go on a stream and he'll tell everybody that he invented everything. Or when
• 1:00:45
  what's his name? Anthony Johnson says he's the president of the Manisphere. It's
• 1:00:51
  that, and it's like, okay, Like, I don't you came out
• 1:00:53
  of nowhere. I don't know who you are. I'm not impressed, you
• 1:00:57
  know. Just it's fine. Just demons rate it and we'll be okay.
• 1:01:01
  But anyway, Richard Bierre gives us five bucks and says this is another Internet
• 1:01:07
  neft to increase viewership, just because of the perceived drama between between the adversaries
• 1:01:14
  and increasing polarization of the audience over the concept of quote you can only side
• 1:01:19
  with one and not the other end quote. Perhaps the two of them should
• 1:01:22
  just settle the matter with a match of wrestling in a waiting pool of jello
• 1:01:25
  in bikinis. Again, I would win. Yeah, be Pearl. She's
• 1:01:30
  she's a big girl but has like six foot two or some shit. Yeah,
• 1:01:36
  and she like plays like volleyball or basketball or something. But the only
• 1:01:42
  thing I would say is that the thing is Richard, I don't. I
• 1:01:45
  don't. I think it's really important that we point out that Pearl's not fighting
• 1:01:49
  with anybody. Chloe Roma is picking a fight with her, So like this
• 1:01:53
  is important because if anything, Yeah, but it's not. It's basically everybody
• 1:01:59
  else else that she has that has a platform that's comparable in size. So
• 1:02:06
  whatever podcast Fresh and Fit Andrew tate that those are the people. If they're
• 1:02:09
  small and if they're doing even if they're doing better work or more intense work,
• 1:02:14
  and they're not you know, in her like like a threat to her
• 1:02:19
  popularity, then they don't get acknowledgment. So but I think Pearl is like
• 1:02:23
  she sees her as as the enemy, and it's purely out of like envy,
• 1:02:30
  is my guest, because I've seen it. But yeah, so Pearl's
• 1:02:32
  not looking for that that. That's so it's important before we say it's a
• 1:02:37
  do it's because that I guess for me, it implies at both sides thing
• 1:02:42
  and it's just not that Pearl's doing her thing and that's it. Yeah,
• 1:02:46
  I can't see Pearl caring, Yeah, exactly exactly. She Maybe she Pearl
• 1:02:52
  might bash women in general and bash even uh Roma here, but but I
• 1:03:02
  don't think. I don't think it would come from a place of you know,
• 1:03:07
  uh, my fan base is bigger than your fan base, or even
• 1:03:14
  trying to destroy uh you know it. I the vibe I get from Pearl
• 1:03:22
  is like ladies behave better? Yeah for sure? You know, how about
• 1:03:29
  that so all right, right, so generally, so calm now, we'll
• 1:03:34
  get into the now, we'll get into the the thing the next section.
• 1:03:38
  Yeah, so this is I'm gonna play a little bit from the beginning.
• 1:03:40
  There's no need for us to get too deep into this. So this is
• 1:03:44
  Chris Williamson's channel Modern Wisdom. He's talking to Jonathan Height and this is a
• 1:03:49
  clip from a Bigger podcast where they're discussing the ways that boys and girls interact
• 1:03:55
  with the Internet differently. So, talk to me about the sex differences in
• 1:04:00
  technology? How to boys and girls use technology differently? Share? Yeah?
• 1:04:03
  So, the master variable here, I believe, is a set of hearing
• 1:04:10
  something. You guys, don't hear it? No, currently, nope,
• 1:04:14
  no, audio don't see it. Is it a video? You don't see
• 1:04:17
  it either? Oh oh oh no no, yeah, that's okay, there
• 1:04:20
  we go. You should be able to see it now, all right,
• 1:04:23
  great, all right, all right, sorry about that. Talk to me
• 1:04:26
  about the sex differences in technology? How to boys and girls use technology differently?
• 1:04:30
  Share? Yeah? So the master variable here, I believe is a
• 1:04:34
  set of motivations that we've talked about psychology for fifty years called agency and communion.
• 1:04:44
  So everybody has needs for agency, to be an agent to make things
• 1:04:46
  happen. You know, a child knocks over block tower, it's thrilling.
• 1:04:49
  I did that. I caused that to fall. So that's agency. And
• 1:04:54
  then communion is connection being part of a group, being welcomed and embraced.
• 1:04:59
  And everyone has both motives, but on average, boys have stronger agency motives.
• 1:05:06
  And when you let boys and girls choose what to do, the boys
• 1:05:11
  are going to gravitate more towards games that allow agency, and so fake war
• 1:05:15
  is one of the best examples. They want to practice their skills. Boys,
• 1:05:17
  I think are evolutionary programmed for hunting and war to enjoy hunting and war.
• 1:05:23
  I found this out when I was twenty nine years old and for the
• 1:05:25
  first time in my life, played paintball with my buddies and hunting each other.
• 1:05:30
  We were mixing with other other people, but hunting each other in small
• 1:05:33
  groups and shooting guns to try to hit each other was the most thrilling thing
• 1:05:36
  we'd ever get. You. I'm just pausing there, No see, this
• 1:05:44
  is why I love Jonathan Height. It's like because it's fun because you know
• 1:05:48
  you're safe, right, but it's exhilarating because it was what you were born
• 1:05:56
  to do. Because because if you didn't enjoy those activities as a child,
• 1:06:03
  right when its doing them in a safe way as a child, you wouldn't
• 1:06:11
  you wouldn't want to learn the skills that make you good at doing it as
• 1:06:15
  an adult in real life, right in the real version of things. So
• 1:06:23
  and this is why girls really love most for the most part, to play
• 1:06:28
  with dolls and stuff like that, because that is their instincts as children are
• 1:06:33
  are preparing them to learn the skills and do the activities that are required of
• 1:06:40
  them when they grow up and have kids. And it's it's just this is
• 1:06:45
  just how it works. And the more parents reinforce those things, you know,
• 1:06:49
  like you can you can reinforce those those behaviors and those enjoyable activities and
• 1:06:56
  all of that. You can encourage those them your kids to enjoy those things,
• 1:07:01
  right, or you can teach your sons to be ashamed of wanting to
• 1:07:05
  play cowboys and Indians or cops and robbers. Right, And I you know,
• 1:07:15
  I'm perfect. Again, Outliers and exceptions exist, but you know,
• 1:07:20
  to believe that everyone is an outlier or an exception to this is makes you
• 1:07:27
  an idiot and demon's gone on Reddit. All right, are you want to
• 1:07:32
  place more or Alison, did you want to say something? No? I
• 1:07:35
  think he's pretty much right. I don't know if he's going to get into
• 1:07:40
  the depth of the horror that is women though on social media it seems like
• 1:07:45
  just soff pedling it so far, okat let's find out right, Yeah,
• 1:07:49
  yeah, so that was really click. Wow, there's like a room in
• 1:07:53
  my heart for being a hunter and a warrior, Like I didn't really know
• 1:07:56
  it was there, but it was so Anyway, boys choose to pursue a
• 1:08:00
  motives. Girls choose to pursue more communion motives. They talk more with each
• 1:08:03
  other. As Richard Reeves, this wonderful, wonderful British man, who has
• 1:08:08
  this? Have you had Richard on the show? Course? Yeah, he's
• 1:08:13
  great. So I have mentioned Richard Reeves. I will share this really quick
• 1:08:19
  as they are bringing him up. Do you do you guys know who Richard
• 1:08:23
  Reeves is? Oh? Give us a little background there, Brian car you
• 1:08:29
  never heard of him? I don't. I don't recognize the name. Yeah,
• 1:08:33
  so well, I'll play a little bit more of the video. What
• 1:08:36
  looks that looks interesting? I'll have Yeah, what are men for? How
• 1:08:42
  to solve the education crisis for boys? So he's a male advocate and he's
• 1:08:49
  I see I see I see a I see a Tate there, maybe go
• 1:08:55
  down. He was on he was on Bill Maher Andrew Tate and the West
• 1:08:58
  Lost Boy. He was on Real Time with Bill Maher why American boys are
• 1:09:01
  failing at school? Right? So, why men are hard to help?
• 1:09:05
  Why boys are failing at school and men are losing a life? Well,
• 1:09:10
  feminism like this is what they do. They're like, yeah, let's get
• 1:09:14
  these Well, I don't know why men are hard to help because men?
• 1:09:19
  Yeah, I think that's what it is. I think he's trying to explain
• 1:09:24
  that. So let let's listen to what they say about him a little bit
• 1:09:27
  more. I'm just gonna go back to teeny bit. But apparently he's been
• 1:09:30
  on Modern Wisdom this Richard who's listening as a podcast. We were just discussing
• 1:09:34
  Richard Rearves. Some of the things that Richard Reeve has done videos on it
• 1:09:39
  included, I guess a discussion of Andrew Tate and the Lost Boys, and
• 1:09:43
  also why boys are failing and men are in school and schools and men are
• 1:09:46
  failing in life. Well, the thing is that we set out as a
• 1:09:49
  society, we saw success, and we said that men's success is immoral,
• 1:09:56
  and now men are not as successful. I'm men exactly. Like when you'd
• 1:10:01
  say that something is immoral and then you go out of your way to start
• 1:10:04
  attacking it. Don't turn around and be like, oh, well, why
• 1:10:06
  is that disappearing? Because you want to get rid of it. Yeah,
• 1:10:12
  you said that men's success was a result of privilege, and then you just
• 1:10:15
  set about actively removing it, and now it's it's disappearing, and you're surprised
• 1:10:23
  that you got the outcome that you aimed for. We tried, we tried
• 1:10:27
  destroying men and it worked. You know, we're all out of ideas.
• 1:10:30
  They're a lot of reasons why that happened. Okay, let's go all right,
• 1:10:36
  let's play some more. And I've been making the case for boys.
• 1:10:40
  Have you? Have you had Richard on the chef course? Yeah, he's
• 1:10:42
  great initiative. That is the Center for Boys and Men, American Institute for
• 1:10:47
  Boys and Men. Yeah, thank you, that sounds awesome. I'm fully
• 1:10:51
  Richard Reeves Pilled. I'm on board with me too. We're all, Richard
• 1:10:56
  Reeves pilled. Yes. So Richard points out girls like to do things face
• 1:11:01
  to face, boys like to do things shoulder to shoulder, like we're next
• 1:11:04
  to each other, we're doing something. Pointed that out Tom Golden, Tom
• 1:11:10
  Golden, Yes, Tom Golden, that's okay, it's getting out there at
• 1:11:16
  least maybe. Richard Reeves credited Tom Golden for that bit of wisdom because the
• 1:11:23
  first I had heard of that and it made perfect sense, was was from
• 1:11:28
  Tom Golden, and I was like, of course, of course, men
• 1:11:31
  don't want to talk with each other and make themselves vulnerable while looking each other
• 1:11:38
  in the eye, right, because looking someone directly in the eye is either
• 1:11:46
  are we going to fuck or are we gonna fight? Okay, because it's
• 1:11:53
  one or the other when you make eye contact with another man, so or
• 1:12:00
  with anyone really, So all right, let's get back to the video.
• 1:12:05
  I know Alison is set away for a moment, but to bring this up,
• 1:12:09
  so in a Robin Dunbar's Buck Friends, which came out maybe eighteen months
• 1:12:14
  ago, it's got this phenomenal study. So the next time that you're at
• 1:12:16
  a party, look at the angle of the feet that women have when they
• 1:12:19
  talk to each other and look at the angle of the feet that we like,
• 1:12:24
  what do you mean? What do you see? Women will talk perpendicular
• 1:12:27
  one hundred and eighty degrees, They'll be pretty much straight on like this,
• 1:12:30
  Oh men talking about one hundred and twenty degrees. Oh, that's fascinating.
• 1:12:35
  So they blade And the reason being that this is a bit of sort of
• 1:12:40
  evolutionary bro psychology coming in, But I think it's true if you even try
• 1:12:45
  it. You can try it the next time that you're you're at a party.
• 1:12:47
  Just you know, you'll be stood sort of like this with a guy
• 1:12:50
  just blading on, and just turn yourself so that you're actually straight onto them,
• 1:12:56
  and there's this just domin rises direction will rise up. Yeah, no,
• 1:13:05
  even in you, even in in you. If you turn to be
• 1:13:10
  like on face on to that guy, right, you will feel that impulse
• 1:13:20
  towards like are we about to fight? Like what's happened? Yeah? No,
• 1:13:25
  I think I think everybody is going to feel that. Every man who
• 1:13:28
  does this, the man who it who consciously changes his positioning to test this,
• 1:13:34
  is probably going to feel it as well as the man that he's talking
• 1:13:39
  he's talking to is going to also feel it. I think I think that
• 1:13:43
  that's like, I think it is something that's extremely primal. Yea, m
• 1:13:49
  okay, So what is the point of this? Are we getting to the
• 1:13:55
  chase? Well, yes, okay, I'll stop in interrupting. Well we
• 1:14:02
  have to do Really, the only time that two guys would do that is
• 1:14:04
  if they were going to fight or they were going to kiss. And if
• 1:14:08
  you don't know, right, yeah, and you just feel you like,
• 1:14:12
  this feels right. There's something about that angle. It's like two magnet,
• 1:14:16
  two north poles of a magnet. Right, yeah, good example it away.
• 1:14:20
  I don't want to ye ye, dude, look at it. One
• 1:14:23
  hundred and twenty degrees for men, one hundred and eighty degrees for women.
• 1:14:26
  It's and you can't not say it. Once you see it, you can't
• 1:14:29
  unsay it will Actually disprotation of that is not that women are not confrontational,
• 1:14:36
  but that women are always confronting each other. I don't think that they're making
• 1:14:42
  the case that women are not confrontation. Oh, I think they're I don't
• 1:14:45
  think that that's what they're doing. No, But but women women do have
• 1:14:50
  because they it is it's kind of like the the Okay, Cupid. Uh.
• 1:14:58
  Data that they get gathered on what profile photos worked for women versus what
• 1:15:04
  worked for men, And the ones that worked for women were, you know,
• 1:15:08
  the woman was chinned down photo taken from above, gazing directly up into
• 1:15:15
  the camera, and that was what photo would get the most click throughs,
• 1:15:21
  whereas for men it was and she's she's smiling, showing interest in whoever she's
• 1:15:28
  looking at right directly at and for men it was you know, he's serious,
• 1:15:38
  unsmiling and looking off to the side at something that's interesting. Hm hmm.
• 1:15:45
  Yeah, And those were the ones that got the most click throughs for
• 1:15:49
  women. And so I think, I think this is this is like a
• 1:15:57
  there is a thing about icon contact. And you know, even my husband
• 1:16:01
  he said, as you know, when he was growing up, he had
• 1:16:03
  to train himself to look people directly, directly in the eye. And he's
• 1:16:09
  a gigantic man, was an athlete, and and he he was he described
• 1:16:18
  his attitude as a child, which was and people noticed it, which was,
• 1:16:28
  I will share my toys with anyone, right, but if you take
• 1:16:32
  one of my toys, yeah, I'm gonna push you off the fucking slide,
• 1:16:39
  right, And he did it. Several times. Right, I'm just
• 1:16:43
  gonna I'm just gonna like, yeah, no, you don't like he He
• 1:16:47
  was like, welcome into my house. Don't fucking cross any lines, right,
• 1:16:53
  And and because of that, I think he's always been leary of making
• 1:17:00
  direct eye contact with anyone that he does not want to have sex with.
• 1:17:06
  So all right, well let's play some more of the video. This could
• 1:17:12
  suggest a really cool difference between real and virtual. You know, virtual interactions
• 1:17:17
  are not embodied, like we can see you know, we can see each
• 1:17:20
  other's upper bodies here. But but I think what we would find because I
• 1:17:25
  don't all feel freaked out by you, you know, your face hunt me
• 1:17:28
  on my head? Yeah, but I don't it all feel like, oh,
• 1:17:30
  we've either got a kiss or fight like because virtual, well we wait
• 1:17:32
  until we finish. Well yeah, yeah, you know you are prehandsome,
• 1:17:35
  I must say so. So again something. You know, we are embodied
• 1:17:42
  creatures where physical creatures were animals. We evolved outdoors. You know, we
• 1:17:45
  we we had fights, we had hunts, and we were physical creatures.
• 1:17:48
  And when we interact now virtually we have only you know, it's like the
• 1:17:53
  white rice thing we have just like a little few of the nutrients, but
• 1:17:56
  we're missing most of them. So anyway, onto boys and girls sor I'm
• 1:17:59
  taking to a on this, but the point is boy. So, when
• 1:18:04
  you know, laptops and then especially smartphones come out, all the kids love
• 1:18:08
  them, All the kids gravitate, all the kids are on them. The
• 1:18:11
  boys heads straight for video games and YouTube. The boys are spending more time
• 1:18:15
  on video games, in YouTube and porn. The girls go straight for the
• 1:18:19
  visual social media platforms, especially Instagram, Tumblr, Pinterest in the early days.
• 1:18:27
  And so what are the effects the girl. I'm just puzzi for the
• 1:18:30
  banana there. I don't know that this is anything that you guys haven't already
• 1:18:34
  observed, but I thought it was interesting that they were talking about it,
• 1:18:38
  because again, it does at least confirm that boys and girls are different.
• 1:18:43
  Yeah. Yeah, no, girls are going for girls are going for,
• 1:18:48
  like you said, the communal thing, like the building, building friendships,
• 1:18:55
  right, the parasocial Like my son he he plays you know, video games
• 1:19:03
  online with his friends. Well he made those friends at school, right,
• 1:19:08
  and he plays the video games with them, and it's always you know,
• 1:19:12
  shooting Fortnite, and you know, like I don't, I don't freaking know
• 1:19:15
  what he plays anymore. But but it's it's a way to spend time with
• 1:19:21
  his friends. And they're never face to face, right, they're just shit
• 1:19:26
  talking each other over their microphones right through their headsets, and and uh and
• 1:19:31
  honing their you know, I don't know whether you can say their well okay,
• 1:19:39
  but unfortunately, having taken him out, my youngest out for a drive,
• 1:19:47
  you know, with his learner's permit, he was like, can't we
• 1:19:54
  replace the steering wheel with a with a game gain controller, you know,
• 1:20:02
  an excellent a Nintendo switch, you know, because you know, or a
• 1:20:08
  Steam deck or something, because he he has no feel for it, he
• 1:20:14
  has no And then yeah, you can play Mario Kart all day long,
• 1:20:18
  right, doesn't just doesn't translate into using your feet to drive a car?
• 1:20:27
  Right? So yeah, no, it's but but yeah, no, the
• 1:20:31
  way they interact online is exactly the way they interact in real life. Right.
• 1:20:38
  Everybody makes fun of Tyler jew uh and who's not Jewish, but he
• 1:20:45
  does have a big nose and and yeah, and also fat Tyler ships on
• 1:20:56
  cripple Tyler uh. And then everybody's like, dude, fat Tyler, that's
• 1:21:01
  just going too far, right And because the three Tyler's, they have to
• 1:21:06
  differentiate them somehow, ok right, yeah, no, So one has Tyler,
• 1:21:13
  Yeah, one has a big nose Tyler jew, one is overweight fat
• 1:21:16
  Tyler, and the other one is crippled Tyler because he has a knee brace.
• 1:21:20
  M okay, yeah. And that's the epic of Tyler, Tyler and
• 1:21:26
  Tyler En. So let's continue on these platforms that are all about I post
• 1:21:32
  a picture of me and my life and then I wait for strangers to comment
• 1:21:36
  on it. And that's really really bad for mental health. And that I
• 1:21:40
  think is why the girls as soon as we hit twenty twenty thirteen. The
• 1:21:45
  girls have very sharp elbows in the graphs, very hockey stick lines in the
• 1:21:49
  graphs. Boys, on the other hand, they're playing video games especially videos,
• 1:21:56
  aren't making them depressed. Now the boys are getting more depressed and anxious.
• 1:22:00
  They are roughly twice as depressed and anxious as they used to be.
• 1:22:02
  But it's more gradual. It starts a little sooner. It starts more like
• 1:22:05
  two thousand and twenty ten, and it's more gradual. So I think,
• 1:22:10
  what's happening? And you know what Zach rush and I concluded in the book,
• 1:22:14
  and here we run Richard Reeves, is you know, for girls,
• 1:22:16
  boom, they get on social media, they get depressed. For boys,
• 1:22:19
  they've been withdrawing from the real world since the seventies and eighties. Know,
• 1:22:23
  it used to be a male world. There used to be a patriarchy,
• 1:22:26
  you know, but boy, has it been dismantled. And as everything shifts
• 1:22:30
  towards girls, and as schools get more and more structured towards girls and girls
• 1:22:34
  needs and girls ways of learning, and as we all freak out about gender
• 1:22:39
  gaps, and we think that it's the girls we have to help in the
• 1:22:41
  nineties, which wasn't true. Girls had already passed boys. Boys are finding
• 1:22:45
  that they don't do well in school, they don't like school. But man,
• 1:22:48
  these video games are just getting better and better. And ah, so
• 1:22:55
  video game use is a is a reflection of depression? Does a symptom?
• 1:23:00
  It's a symptem. He does acknowledge that the so called war, well,
• 1:23:05
  the war against the so called patriarchy, is the contributing factor for boys.
• 1:23:11
  Yeah, no, I would. I've watched a whole bunch of Jonathan Hyde
• 1:23:17
  stuff, and I would have been disappointed if he hadn't brought that. That's
• 1:23:23
  good. I mean, that's I mean so far that nothing they've said has
• 1:23:27
  really required extensive comment. So yeah, no, and it hasn't annoyed me
• 1:23:32
  at all. And I mean that foot angle thing as well. I think
• 1:23:43
  honestly that one hundred and twenty degree foot angle thing may also have to do
• 1:23:48
  with not only not causing confrontational feelings, but also being able to run away
• 1:24:00
  m and actually surveying something other than the person in front of you, which,
• 1:24:05
  honestly, if you think about it, is more if you think about
• 1:24:09
  it, having your eyes on the person in front of you is an aggressive
• 1:24:14
  act and an acknowledgment of potential danger that they present to you, Like you
• 1:24:19
  don't want to pay to attention to anything else. So when two women approach
• 1:24:24
  each other, they want to they want to keep their eye very very steadily
• 1:24:30
  on each other. That's interesting because it's almost like an acknowledgment that the most
• 1:24:35
  threatening thing in the room for the women is each other. And well,
• 1:24:41
  I don't know about that because because women have not evolved to develop that interpretation
• 1:24:50
  of that particular action, right, I mean, I mean might not be
• 1:24:56
  physically threatening, but socially threatening and it's like because that that the total focus
• 1:25:02
  is on the other woman like it. I mean, I guess there could
• 1:25:05
  be another reason for it, but one of the reasons why you wouldn't want
• 1:25:09
  to go approach somebody directly is to be able to keep attention on the surroundings
• 1:25:14
  as well. Right, Well, I was gonna say the other thing too,
• 1:25:17
  And I don't think they're gould go into this much in this video because
• 1:25:20
  I've watched this video already. But women have a broader peripheral vision, so
• 1:25:26
  they can look directly at someone but also see all the stuff around them,
• 1:25:30
  and the way that they their ability to discern like color is more precise too,
• 1:25:35
  because they were gathering and stuff. But men they have more telescopic visions.
• 1:25:41
  So I think the reason why they wouldn't stand, you know, face
• 1:25:45
  to face is also because they're they're not It's not because they feel threatened by
• 1:25:48
  the guy they're talking to. They're also like sort of they're scanning. They're
• 1:25:54
  scanning, they're scanning out. So I don't I wouldn't like take this to
• 1:25:59
  mean and anything. I know, I'm just saying, like people in the
• 1:26:01
  chat are, you know, kind of like getting a little freaked out about
• 1:26:05
  it. It's like men and women are different. It's okay, but women
• 1:26:09
  are the peripheral vision is wider, and so that, you know, I
• 1:26:14
  think that that plays into my fantasy a way that women are secretly playing out
• 1:26:17
  some kind of death sports in their mind, you know, as they face
• 1:26:21
  each other. Makes them more interesting. Yeah. Yeah, But anyway,
• 1:26:28
  let's look at a little bit more. I think there's a little bit and
• 1:26:30
  you know, it's it's hard to approach a girl, but man, the
• 1:26:33
  pornography is getting better and better, and now you've got AI girlfriends, and
• 1:26:39
  soon AI girlfriends will be put into incredibly sexy robots. So what we're seeing
• 1:26:43
  is the progressive withdrawal of boys from effort in the real world that will pay
• 1:26:47
  off in the long run, and instead, boys prodigious energy and their desires
• 1:26:54
  are being directed into a virtual world that generates nothing, absolutely nothing of any
• 1:27:00
  value in the real world. Yeah, the audience is going to know what
• 1:27:03
  I'm going to bring up. I'm going to do it again. It's okay,
• 1:27:05
  just a second, just a second here. First of all, what
• 1:27:12
  is it that they're going to get from interaction with the greater world? I'm
• 1:27:15
  sorry, women have made it very clear that the average man is uninterested,
• 1:27:20
  welcome, not welcome, not welcome. You cannot get away from that.
• 1:27:25
  We are living in a society where women have said we don't want the average
• 1:27:29
  man. We just don't want him. We don't want him because he's apparently
• 1:27:33
  even if he isn't even if they don't want him because he isn't six foot
• 1:27:40
  you know, six figures, seven inches, seven pack whatever, eight pack,
• 1:27:44
  you know that kind of thing, six seven to eight keeps going up.
• 1:27:46
  No, no, no, six six six, No, it's going
• 1:27:48
  up. It's going up. The baseline goes up periodically. It's it's expectation
• 1:27:55
  inflation. But I mean, even if he isn't that. They also apparently
• 1:27:59
  justify this by saying that the average man has an average mentality and an average
• 1:28:03
  understanding of, you know, emotion, and an average amount of wisdom,
• 1:28:08
  and they don't want that either. They don't want the average man's personality,
• 1:28:11
  they don't want the average man's looks, they don't want the average man's income.
• 1:28:14
  They do not want the average man. So what is it that you're
• 1:28:18
  saying that the average men are going to get at the end of the day
• 1:28:20
  by interacting with this culture, well games and a sex spot. This is
• 1:28:28
  this is this is what's annoying. It's like, well, they're they're they're
• 1:28:32
  they're opting out of society. Well, if we want a society opted society
• 1:28:39
  made it opted out of them. They're not welcome. They're not welcome.
• 1:28:44
  You know, if you don't succeed, if you're not six, six sixty
• 1:28:47
  six or better, right, then you don't get any rewards. You don't
• 1:28:53
  get respect, you don't get a woman money, don't get your own kids,
• 1:28:56
  you don't get money. Okay, you you get money. But but
• 1:29:00
  that's the point, Like, but but but if you do get that,
• 1:29:03
  you've stolen it from women. Yeah, well, I mean yeah, so
• 1:29:06
  there's that there's that element of if you are successful, you've taken it from
• 1:29:12
  women. But the other thing is that if a man is successful, he
• 1:29:15
  has to be in a very high position and there's no way to get around
• 1:29:18
  me. The average expectations of women are so high and it doesn't matter if
• 1:29:25
  they deflect it onto all the the the average personality of men, well that's
• 1:29:30
  still not wanting the average like you know, and and the and it's just
• 1:29:35
  a situation where what is the average man going to get what does he think,
• 1:29:40
  you're not even what is he going to get or what he could possibly
• 1:29:43
  get, because maybe there's a situation, you know, maybe he might find
• 1:29:45
  someone and that's the hope, right, But look at what women are saying.
• 1:29:51
  Look at the overwhelming message towards men in our society coming from TikTok,
• 1:29:58
  coming from YouTube channels like Irony and manifest l and Hannah Cox see the messages.
• 1:30:03
  They're basically saying that men are unlovable just as they are. That not
• 1:30:10
  only do men have to have all check off all of these boxes and if
• 1:30:14
  they don't, they're a dead beat. They aren't ultimately unlovable as they are.
• 1:30:18
  Who the hell thinks of that? Like, at the end of the
• 1:30:21
  day, your reward is a woman who only is in your life because you
• 1:30:28
  are all of these superficial things and actually doesn't consider you a person. That's
• 1:30:34
  what the overwhelming message that men are getting from women from victims. You're not
• 1:30:38
  a person your performance. Yeah, you're not a person your performance. You
• 1:30:43
  are a utility in my life. That's the overwhelming message men are getting.
• 1:30:45
  I can get you know, I totally get it. Men look at that
• 1:30:49
  and they say so, my reward at the end of the day is a
• 1:30:54
  woman who's only interested in me because of my money, and who's only interested
• 1:30:59
  in me because of the looks that I will eventually lose, who's only interested
• 1:31:02
  in me because of my athleticism, which I again, I will eventually lose,
• 1:31:06
  who's only interested in me because of I don't know, like the social
• 1:31:13
  ladder, Yeah, like all of these and not has no actual interest in
• 1:31:16
  me. Women in this society do not present the idea that love is on
• 1:31:21
  the table, that love companionship and that kind of emotional intimacy is on the
• 1:31:27
  table when it comes to relationships, and that may it may, and maybe
• 1:31:30
  that the women on TikTok, the women who are creating this overwhelming voice in
• 1:31:35
  the room, like the loudest they're completely out to lunch, it could be,
• 1:31:41
  but they are the loudest voice in the room. So men are getting
• 1:31:44
  this perception. They come into the room and women are saying, you are
• 1:31:46
  unlovable, you will never be loved. I will take your money, and
• 1:31:49
  I will tolerate your presence and until such time as I can take your money
• 1:31:55
  and kick you the fuck out of my life. And that's what This is
• 1:31:58
  the overwhelming message. That's not something that I'll you for it too, Yeah,
• 1:32:02
  and then I'll blame you for it. And again, it may not
• 1:32:04
  be that the average woman is actually like that or actually would do that,
• 1:32:08
  but that is the overwhelming message in the room. Now, is that a
• 1:32:13
  message that men want to buy into? The answer is no. The answer
• 1:32:17
  is there is no apparent reward to participating in this society except for money.
• 1:32:23
  And the reward that you get for getting money for young men that is being
• 1:32:28
  is games and eventually a sex spot. So you better you know, like
• 1:32:33
  you can see like, oh, I can't believe like they they're they're just
• 1:32:36
  going after this reward. Well you should thank god it exists because yeah,
• 1:32:42
  because men are still invested in the system because of it, and we need
• 1:32:45
  that. Yeah, there's no there's no compromise on that issue. We need
• 1:32:51
  young men to be invested in the system or we're all gotten for. So
• 1:32:57
  you should be damn glad that there are sexy aibots coming off the the factory
• 1:33:03
  floor in like five years. So there's young men who are like looking to
• 1:33:06
  save for that shit. Yeah, there's none men who's willing to work for
• 1:33:11
  that, and looking to save for that. You should be damn glad you
• 1:33:13
  should be kissing the ass of the person who invented that shit, because that's
• 1:33:17
  description men still invested. And if you think that that is an option keeping
• 1:33:23
  men invested in our society, I suggest you look at what men do.
• 1:33:29
  What who are the primary the lineman, electricity, sewer, utility, water
• 1:33:35
  water, Who who is moving the goods in our society? I suggest you
• 1:33:41
  look at the absolutely essential work that you cannot not do for a society to
• 1:33:48
  run. Look at that and tell me that it matters. That it matters
• 1:33:56
  that men are not being incentivized in the way that you want. What matters
• 1:33:59
  is that they still have some incentive in the system. Give them the AI
• 1:34:03
  sex spots, give them the games. If you want women to just throw
• 1:34:08
  turn their nose up at the average man, that's the system that This is
• 1:34:12
  the black and white truth of it. And what's what's frustrating too for me
• 1:34:16
  is that the average woman thinks that she's like, she may be a solid
• 1:34:23
  six when she's dulled up, but she deserves that eight point five and nothing
• 1:34:30
  less right, And it's like, this is why it's six six, six
• 1:34:36
  sixty six. The solid six who demands six feet six inches, a six
• 1:34:43
  pack and six figures. That works, all right, Let's play a little
• 1:34:49
  bit more and then we'll I'll do the super chats and stuff. At the
• 1:34:55
  end, I'm done, so me and William think that I really phenomenal.
• 1:35:00
  And this you don't even need to wait for the sex robot thing or whatever,
• 1:35:02
  the in person robot. You could do this with Apples VR headset if
• 1:35:05
  it was sufficiently well trained on a good data set, so you have a
• 1:35:09
  virtual interaction with the one like a computer game. And in this virtual interaction,
• 1:35:14
  the avatar is able to see your movements, they can hear what you're
• 1:35:18
  saying. The use natural language processing to work out the intonation and and you
• 1:35:23
  know they're able to go back and forth and they can you know, you
• 1:35:25
  can program in shit like consent, and you can program shit in like flirting.
• 1:35:30
  And I want to increase the difficulty the disagreeability of this girl. I
• 1:35:35
  want her to make me work out, and you level up and up and
• 1:35:39
  level up. Right, And if you can form that on actual human psychology,
• 1:35:42
  you can have guys practice playing the video game the safety of their own
• 1:35:47
  home and then go and deploy this in the real world. It's like,
• 1:35:50
  you know, ponal one of these like at home gym things. It's like
• 1:35:55
  yeah, or we sports right, like you know you're playing. I'm just
• 1:36:00
  that's the that that is kind of a I think it's funny because it's so
• 1:36:04
  it's such as men's bidness muscles. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think
• 1:36:12
  it's funny. It's it's very much a solution that a man would come up
• 1:36:15
  with, right, this design like a is totally it is. But the
• 1:36:19
  funny thing. So I'm all about this. Okay, I'm all for this,
• 1:36:24
  Chris Williams and I want you doesn't make it happen. But here's what
• 1:36:26
  you're gonna have to do. You're gonna have to get these fucking activist women
• 1:36:30
  out of the gaming industry and then we're good to go because they will stop
• 1:36:34
  this. There is like Anita Sarkiza be all over it. So yeah,
• 1:36:39
  you got we just gotta get We just got to get the uh the activists
• 1:36:43
  out of the industry. That's a landscape and then we can make that yeah
• 1:36:48
  everything we need to make. Yeah, but you've already changed the entire cultural
• 1:36:53
  landscape. Like that's the thing with That's why I'm like what, we can
• 1:36:58
  discuss repealing the night teenth, but in order to repeal the nineteenth, women
• 1:37:01
  have vote, have to vote to repeal the nineteenth, which means we've changed
• 1:37:06
  the entire cultural landscape. So it's right back on ground up change in people's
• 1:37:14
  attitudes towards men and women. Like yeah, so when it happened, it's
• 1:37:16
  gonna happen. It'll take a zombie apocalypse, but one day, one day,
• 1:37:21
  it'll take the end of voting period. But one day, no more
• 1:37:28
  democracy. Then women don't have a vote. Oh yeah, lord, Okay,
• 1:37:31
  if nobody has a vote, then women also don't have a vote.
• 1:37:34
  So I guess I'll tell you. Well, you know that that's the whole
• 1:37:38
  message of Pandora's Box. Okay, I'm sorry. The Greeks warned us,
• 1:37:44
  they warned us, they saw it coming. I'm just wondering women were gonna
• 1:37:50
  fuck everything up by letting out a monster that could not be contained. Again,
• 1:37:57
  I wonder how you are if you if you do this like relationship or
• 1:38:01
  dating bowflex So you're learning to manage dating. And honestly, Chris, you
• 1:38:09
  are heading into some very dangerous territory because the pickup artist basically did something very
• 1:38:15
  similar to what you're suggesting, and they got slammed. Oh yeah no,
• 1:38:19
  and you will you will, you will, you will be you will be
• 1:38:25
  presented as being some kind of sexual assaulter for creating something like this, some
• 1:38:30
  sort of predator. But let's say we get it. He's literally he's literally
• 1:38:36
  advocating the rape of virtual women. Yeah, but let's say, but also
• 1:38:42
  he's pretending like women aren't aren't all special snowflakes, that appealing to women is
• 1:38:47
  something that you can actually learn. But the can crack. But here's the
• 1:38:54
  question, Like, when you give men this, why would they not just
• 1:39:00
  want whatever they're interacting with just to to just go the full thing, just
• 1:39:05
  all the way. So you marry it? Yeah no, well just well,
• 1:39:10
  I mean you can have all of this, you can have the simulation
• 1:39:13
  and then at the end what you get as an AI girlfriend sex book.
• 1:39:16
  Yeah, you marry the simulation. Yeah exactly, Like why why do they
• 1:39:21
  have to interact with women who right out of the gate say that they are
• 1:39:27
  incapable or present the notion that they're incapable of appreciating a man as a companion.
• 1:39:33
  Like that's that's what it comes down to, right, Yeah, no,
• 1:39:36
  I mean, why would you go for the real thing? If the
• 1:39:39
  real thing even after you've honed your skills, even after you you know,
• 1:39:43
  could still take your frickin money, have your money, take your kids,
• 1:39:47
  take you know, and differentiates, Like an AI sex spot really isn't going
• 1:39:54
  to give true love or intimacy to a man, like it's going to be
• 1:39:58
  give the simulate smilacra of that, but neither is apparently the modern average woman.
• 1:40:05
  So like, so what what why would you go? And they won't
• 1:40:11
  probably won't even give a consistence in the lacra of that. Like, well,
• 1:40:16
  the whole point is, the whole point is that with this AI virtual
• 1:40:23
  VR headset thing, right, is that you can program the woman to behave
• 1:40:29
  in different ways and so but you know, like I'm sorry, but I'm
• 1:40:36
  going to say it again, like the thousands of hours that my son played
• 1:40:42
  Mario Kart did not prepare him from getting behind the wheel of an actual motor
• 1:40:47
  vehicle. It didn't, right, He actually he actually needed to get in
• 1:40:56
  the car feel what the car did. And it's like most of it is
• 1:40:59
  feeling. It's not just looking, most of it is feeling the car move
• 1:41:03
  and feeling all of that stuff, right, you don't feel it. Even
• 1:41:06
  if you've got a rumble pack or whatever it was called on your controller,
• 1:41:14
  you don't. You don't feel what's happening when you're even if you're using the
• 1:41:19
  steering wheel one with the gas pedals at the arcade, you don't feel it.
• 1:41:25
  And if you don't feel it, it's always kind of a shock to
• 1:41:28
  your system when the car starts moving and when when it stops and all of
• 1:41:33
  that. Right, So, yeah, unless you're programmed to be a passenger,
• 1:41:39
  with which apparently all of my entire family is programmed as. All right,
• 1:41:45
  is there anything No, I think that's it. I think that's the
• 1:41:47
  general gist. I mean, okay, yeah, so yeah, I think
• 1:41:54
  that unless you're going to address the fact that women are making it very clear
• 1:42:00
  that emotional intimacy and seeing men as companions is not on the table. That
• 1:42:04
  those are the loudest voices in the room doesn't mean I'm not saying that that's
• 1:42:09
  the average woman, but those are the loudest voices in the room giving impressions
• 1:42:13
  to young men, right that they're just men are unlovable. Until you address
• 1:42:19
  that, I suggest that we give whatever men want in the absence of that
• 1:42:28
  if we want, if we want to be in a situation where women are
• 1:42:30
  just not going to love men and just do not want to have relationships with
• 1:42:33
  them, then I guess we just become okay with games and AI sex spots,
• 1:42:42
  because the alternative is that we have nothing to incentivize men with and their
• 1:42:46
  participation is absolutely critical to the continued running of our society. And although this
• 1:42:54
  gamified boat like gamified dating, is a very interesting concept, an until men
• 1:43:00
  get the impression, I'm guessing, until men get the impression that the average
• 1:43:03
  woman is capable of loving them, they probably will just go for the simulation
• 1:43:10
  of being loved rather than the reality of being unlovable. Okay, there you
• 1:43:15
  go. Yeah, all right, so the simulation, even if even if
• 1:43:20
  it starts being really bitchy and demanding an a whore, you can actually recalibrate
• 1:43:28
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• 1:43:33
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• 1:43:39
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