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Jason Goff on Bears-Caleb Williams concerns, Lions expectations, Jayden Daniels year 2 | 09.03 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Bobani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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  Speaker 2: you are a hater.
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  Speaker 1: It is that time of week where we have a
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  Speaker 1: guest join us, coming to us from the ringer from Chicago, Illinois.
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  Speaker 1: I just realized, man, the ringer boy, y'all racking up
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  Speaker 1: the brothers these days, Jason Goff.
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  Speaker 2: I stopped and thought about it.
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  Speaker 1: Between Van and you and the homie Joel. Y'all got,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a black hater along with you two guys.
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  Speaker 3: Shout out to Joel.
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  Speaker 4: That pod is outstanding. Him and Tate Frazier and Van
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  Speaker 4: Lathan doing college football stuff. And he does the press box.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, man, we cornering the market. You know, it's
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  Speaker 4: good over here. We have a good time. You know,
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  Speaker 4: we don't have to worry about people hovering over you.
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  Speaker 4: You can say what you want. It's a good time
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  Speaker 4: right now. Good time to bring it.
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  Speaker 1: And I haven't talked to Joel a little bit about this,
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  Speaker 1: but I actually think Having Joel and Van do that
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  Speaker 1: podcast with Tate or not Tate is a bigger deal
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  Speaker 1: than people realize. At my last job, I spent many
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  Speaker 1: years asking, hey, man, how can I get involved with
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  Speaker 1: the college football? And it became clear to me the
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  Speaker 1: people I was talking to didn't think it fit. Or
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  Speaker 1: my favorite was I didn't know Bomani liked college football.
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  Speaker 1: You ever heard my voice? I'm from Texas.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Like, like, like, why would you think I don't?
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  Speaker 1: But it's, it's a thing that people have that for
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  Speaker 1: whatever reason, college football is seen as like this exclusive, like,
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  Speaker 1: fiefdom of Southern white men.
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  Speaker 4: And that was not my experience when I went down
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  Speaker 4: to Atlanta for the first time to go work.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: You want to find yourself some true blue college football
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  Speaker 4: fans who don't mess with people from the other side
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  Speaker 4: on some real turf war shit? Yeah, go talk to
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  Speaker 4: people in New Orleans. Go talk to people in Atlanta.
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  Speaker 4: Go talk to people in Houston. Go talk to people
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  Speaker 4: in the Carolinas. It's part of the DNA. It's part
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  Speaker 4: of the blood.
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  Speaker 2: We from the same place. Right, right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's two things. One, we from the same place.
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  Speaker 1: And two, for better or worse, this is just how
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  Speaker 1: it went, man. Integration decimated a lot of these black institutions.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: HBCU football now, like you go to Mississippi, for example,
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  Speaker 1: and black folks are still into HBCU football like it's
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  Speaker 1: 1963 because a lot of things in Mississippi are like
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  Speaker 1: it's 1963.
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  Speaker 2: I'll make the rules. I'm just telling you what it is, right?
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  Speaker 1: But once you decimate ours, we still, everybody want to
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  Speaker 1: love the crib.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody want to say they love the place they from.
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  Speaker 1: And the way you do, like get involved in the
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  Speaker 1: place you from, or you wind up your cousin, go
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  Speaker 1: play at insert place here or whatever it is. But like,
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  Speaker 1: We still there and people absolutely 100% cannot grasp the idea.
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  Speaker 1: So I give a shout to Bill on that one
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  Speaker 1: for having those two cats. And if you ever talked
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  Speaker 1: to Van Lathan about like, Joel played college football, obviously, right?
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  Speaker 1: and then Van care about college football on another level,
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  Speaker 1: in a much different way.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's an LSU dude, tried and true.
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  Speaker 4: You argue with him about that Joe Burrow-led team, and
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  Speaker 4: he will tell you that's the greatest team ever assembled.
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  Speaker 3: I saw those Miami Squads back in the day.
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  Speaker 4: I saw Tommy Frazier and Lawrence Phillips and them cats
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  Speaker 4: back in the day, so it's like, It's harder for me,
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  Speaker 4: but yeah, now Van is very, and that's the thing, Bill,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you shoot an idea to Bill and you
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  Speaker 4: give him a concept and you prove that concept along
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  Speaker 4: the way, he's going to let you rock out. So yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it's a good time over there and I'm looking forward
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  Speaker 4: to every week hanging out with him. And shout out
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  Speaker 4: to you too, by the way, because I just started
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  Speaker 4: tuning in because Spencer is terrific. But I just started
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  Speaker 4: tuning into his podcast and.
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  Speaker 3: It's, it's, it's, it's his world. It's one of one. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. So no, man, it's, it's a beautiful thing
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  Speaker 4: where you can, you can dabble in a whole bunch
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  Speaker 4: of different spots.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, man, shout out to the ringer. Shout out
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  Speaker 3: to the ringer.
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  Speaker 2: I tell you this boy, y'all get y'all one more.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna start calling y'all the ringer. You know what
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying?
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  Speaker 3: Damn, I wish I hadn't heard you say that. I
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  Speaker 3: wish I hadn't heard you say that.
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  Speaker 1: We start calling it the wrangler, and then if y'all
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  Speaker 1: get some old country white boys in there, we start
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  Speaker 1: calling it the wrangler.
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  Speaker 3: Ooh, see? This is why. This is why you at
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  Speaker 3: the top of this profession gave me.
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  Speaker 2: The wrangler. And your slogan is, we keep it tight.
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  Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen, we want to thank you for listening
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  Speaker 4: to the right time. Hey, listen, there's no more positive
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  Speaker 4: to be done.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to talk about Southern whites, Southern blacks.
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  Speaker 4: You know, the funny thing that I find, well, not funny,
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  Speaker 4: but the interesting thing is that what segregation did to
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  Speaker 4: baseball and how the Negro Leagues and how baseball was
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  Speaker 4: a staple of the community and how it took business
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  Speaker 4: away and integration of baseball took business away and how
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  Speaker 4: that didn't happen in the same way that it happened
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  Speaker 4: for college football. even though the ties that bind are
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  Speaker 4: so authentic and so thick.
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  Speaker 2: That's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, right?
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  Speaker 4: Because you talk to anybody, Bob Kendrick, anybody about what
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  Speaker 4: Negro League baseball and what traveling and barnstorming baseball was
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  Speaker 4: as an economy for the community, what it was culturally.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you got people suited and booted in these
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  Speaker 4: little band box stadiums, and then all of a sudden
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  Speaker 4: the integration of baseball happens. kind of takes away from that,
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  Speaker 4: whereas with college football, it didn't really happen that way.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the difference was they waited a lot longer to
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  Speaker 1: play football with.
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  Speaker 2: Us in a lot of these places. You know what
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying?
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  Speaker 3: Shout out to the Southwest Conference.
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  Speaker 1: And then when they did let us play football with them,
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  Speaker 1: you know what it killed?
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  Speaker 2: Baseball.
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  Speaker 1: They was like, hey, man, we got to, we got to,
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  Speaker 1: you got to leave, you got to leave something for us, right?
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  Speaker 1: Because like, remind me, you're a little bit younger than me,
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  Speaker 1: but not much, right?
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  Speaker 3: Now, how old are you now? I'm going to be
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  Speaker 3: 45 in November.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we the same age, okay.
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  Speaker 3: Right, right.
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  Speaker 2: Because I just turned 45 last week.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay. Happy belated, by the way.
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  Speaker 2: Likewise, happy future.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: What I can't explain to people is what a big deal,
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  Speaker 1: like baseball is my first love of anything. Like you
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  Speaker 1: did not have to explain nobody being black and being
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  Speaker 1: into baseball in any capacity whatsoever, right? City, country, wherever
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  Speaker 1: you were. And you look at the cats who were
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  Speaker 1: playing baseball, right? Like the idea that Darryl Strawberry, Eric
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  Speaker 1: Davis come out of South Central, right?
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: In that time period, Darryl Strawberry, number one pick in
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  Speaker 1: the draft in 1980. So we, you know, we talk
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  Speaker 1: in late 70s, early 80s with those guys. And those
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  Speaker 1: guys are the athletes that would be like, Dominique talks
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  Speaker 1: about this all the time, that he underestimated the athleticism
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  Speaker 1: of baseball players. And then he got cool with Adam Jones,
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  Speaker 1: not Pac-Man, but baseball Adam Jones. And he hooped with
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  Speaker 1: him and was like, oh, okay, you just like us.
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  Speaker 1: You just play baseball. If you remember Eric Davis, and
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  Speaker 1: I know like this is a guy that, people of
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  Speaker 1: a certain age, like this would be one that I
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  Speaker 1: would ask Ryan about, or Ryan would say that he
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  Speaker 1: didn't know who Eric Davis was.
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  Speaker 3: Beautiful player.
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  Speaker 2: Boy, Eric Davis was something, boy.
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  Speaker 3: Beautiful player. He uglied it up with.
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  Speaker 2: All that damn tobacco.
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  Speaker 1: Ain't nobody have more tobacco in they mouth than Eric
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  Speaker 1: Davis did. Eric Davis was out here hitting 20 homers,
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  Speaker 1: stealing 80 bases, beat colon cancer, by the way. Eric
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  Speaker 1: Davis was that dude. But these days, they look at
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  Speaker 1: Eric Davis and be like, what you going to be
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  Speaker 1: doing out here, brother, is you going to be backpedaling
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  Speaker 1: and covering.
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  Speaker 3: Go get you in that slot real quick.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, baby.
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  Speaker 1: We playing spring football. We don't really have time for
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  Speaker 1: you to be out here playing this baseball.
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  Speaker 3: You talk about the 80s for me and Darryl Strawberry, obviously,
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  Speaker 3: but for me.
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  Speaker 4: Seeing the Oakland Athletics and thinking that this is what
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  Speaker 4: baseball is, right?
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  Speaker 3: You had Dave Stewart, who was a tough ass.
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  Speaker 4: You talk about bulldog pitches all you want. Dave Stewart
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  Speaker 4: seemed like he was going to strike you out and
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  Speaker 4: then beat your ass after if you had something to
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  Speaker 4: say about it. Right. And then Ricky Henderson, man, like
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  Speaker 4: there are a few baseball.
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  Speaker 3: Players who if you didn't get a chance to see this.
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  Speaker 4: Person, you were excited to show them for the first
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  Speaker 4: time what he actually was. And even, you know, the
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  Speaker 4: guy like Tony Phillips and baseball was amazing. Baseball was
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  Speaker 4: a part of my reckoning as a kid where it's like,
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  Speaker 4: all right, during the summer, I could run around all
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  Speaker 4: day long, but I'd come in and watch the greatest
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  Speaker 4: right-hand hitter of my generation play right in the backyard
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  Speaker 4: in Frank Thomas. So the fact that you've got a
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  Speaker 4: situation now where the Cubs are allowing certain people on
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  Speaker 4: the field that might not need to be on the field,
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  Speaker 4: and there's a dearth of black baseball players that you
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  Speaker 4: can actually look at and say, that's like Mookie Betts.
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  Speaker 4: Too bad he's having the season he's having, but Mookie
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  Speaker 4: Betts is an amazing baseball player. And Mookie Betts isn't
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  Speaker 4: as known as he should be.
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  Speaker 1: If anybody ever lets me make something on the 91 Braves, right?
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  Speaker 2: Or just the Braves that run in general.
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  Speaker 1: This is the part that nobody talks about in this
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  Speaker 1: day and time.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Left field, right field, center field. Ron Gant, Otis Nixon,
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  Speaker 1: David Justice. Third base, Terry Pendleton. The most underrated figure
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  Speaker 1: of that entire era of baseball. MVP 91, MVP runner-up
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  Speaker 1: in 1992. Retire his fucking jersey. This is not a
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  Speaker 1: franchise with enough history where you have to make the
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  Speaker 1: fucking Hall of Fame for us to retire your jersey, right?
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  Speaker 2: Is he Dale Murphy to Atlanta? Not exactly.
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  Speaker 1: However, Dale Murphy's jerseys retired because he won an MVP
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  Speaker 1: back-to-back years. Terry Pendleton was a 1-2 finish and was
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  Speaker 1: the person that legitimized that baseball team into becoming what
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  Speaker 1: it ultimately became, right? But anyway, we got him. Raphael
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  Speaker 1: Beliar platooning at shortstop. You had Black Brian Hunter on
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  Speaker 1: first base in the platoon. All I'm saying is, them team,
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  Speaker 1: that was a hot Atlanta era team. And that team
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  Speaker 1: was really, really black, like black people in Atlanta and
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  Speaker 1: around Atlanta. And I wasn't even living there at the time,
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  Speaker 1: but I knew enough to tell we're around that team.
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  Speaker 2: Like that gets lost.
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  Speaker 1: Cause you think about it as Glavin, Smoltz, Chipper, Maddox
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  Speaker 1: comes in, in 93, you know, all.
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  Speaker 3: Of those things.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But no, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: The, the building of this, was because it was one
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  Speaker 1: of the few things that whole city can get behind.
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  Speaker 2: One of the few things.
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  Speaker 4: It was amazing when I got down to Atlanta to
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  Speaker 4: start my show down there in 2014. It was such
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  Speaker 4: a big deal. You mentioned the Blackout Field. They had
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  Speaker 4: signed the Upton brothers and Jason Hayward was down there.
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  Speaker 4: And it was such a big deal because, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I was wondering why people, hey, you know, outside of
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  Speaker 4: Cobb County, the Braves can.
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  Speaker 3: Be cool again. And I'm like, wait a minute. Wait
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  Speaker 3: a minute. What's this about? Like, I needed the breakdown
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  Speaker 3: and people explained to me.
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  Speaker 4: And I always wondered, was it like a Washington, D.C.,
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  Speaker 4: you know our name team where the the brothers and
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  Speaker 4: sisters kind of step back from that that thing that
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  Speaker 4: i in a way that i hadn't known about until
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  Speaker 4: you talk to people in dc about it um i
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  Speaker 4: don't know if that happens in dallas but there's always
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  Speaker 4: these interesting pockets of like we love sports the same
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  Speaker 4: way everybody else loves sports but certain times it's like
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  Speaker 4: you know what this team don't seem like it's.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah but some people some people been spitting in
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  Speaker 1: our faces i mean i mean Maryland football will never
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  Speaker 1: be good still paying for the sins of the racism
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  Speaker 1: of the past, right? One of the things that me
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  Speaker 1: and hatin' ass Joel have is I grew up rooting
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  Speaker 1: for Texas and Joel is of a family that could
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  Speaker 1: never do such a thing, right?
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  Speaker 2: But it's because they from around there, right? Like they
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  Speaker 2: from Arkansas, like.
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  Speaker 1: The historical legacy of racism of Texas, the University of
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  Speaker 1: Texas Athletics. hits them in a way where me as
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  Speaker 1: somebody who moved in late, it don't quite go the
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  Speaker 1: same way. But if you were to ask my daddy
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  Speaker 1: about LSU, it took a long time before we could
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  Speaker 1: get on board. Nick Saban was the only reason that
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  Speaker 1: people wound up getting on board with LSU. But no,
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  Speaker 1: Texas was paying for the sins of that racism for decades.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't until the 21st century that they really overcame
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  Speaker 1: what what they were known for like the reputation was
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  Speaker 1: they understood that they was going to integrate and they
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  Speaker 1: hoped to be the last school to do it there
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  Speaker 1: was a conference full of people that wanted to be
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  Speaker 1: the last school to do it and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: folks hey man ain't no uh ain't no letting that
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  Speaker 1: slide I don't even know the particulars of it but
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  Speaker 1: my daddy liked that about Penn State and Joe Paterno
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  Speaker 1: I never bothered to get to the bottom of it
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  Speaker 1: but that's where that's where he.
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  Speaker 3: Was Yeah, no, it's interesting, man.
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  Speaker 4: And the grand point is we make a lot of things,
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  Speaker 4: if not everything better, including more money and wins for you.
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  Speaker 3: So put that bullshit to the side and let's get
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  Speaker 3: to it, though, man. Chicago, same way.
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  Speaker 4: The Bears had a throwback or a alternate uniform a
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  Speaker 4: couple of years ago that was under some scrutiny because
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  Speaker 4: a black player had never worn this uniform because at
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  Speaker 4: that time, There.
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  Speaker 3: Were no black players.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it was a silent band, but there were
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  Speaker 4: no black players on the Chicago Bears roster early on
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  Speaker 4: in the Hallis days. And a couple of people started
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  Speaker 4: to bring up like, hey, go back and look at
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  Speaker 4: these uniforms, some of these team photos. And he's going
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  Speaker 4: to be the first brothers in 20, 19, 20, 20, 20,
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  Speaker 4: 21 who have.
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  Speaker 3: Ever worn this uniform. So it's it's weird and it
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  Speaker 3: continues to be weird. And.
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  Speaker 4: Don't get it twisted. There are a lot of teams
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  Speaker 4: that still abide by some of those rules.
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  Speaker 3: They just do it in a different way.
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how we wound up getting here. However,
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  Speaker 1: we did. But I want to stick with the Chicago Bears.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Right? The NFC North.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be, at least for right now, it's
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  Speaker 1: the most interesting division in the NFL right now.
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  Speaker 2: Like I have to say, this is a.
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  Speaker 1: Really interesting NFL season coming into it. We have maybe
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  Speaker 1: the best coached division of all time in the AFC West.
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  Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh and Pete Carroll, do not forget they don't
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  Speaker 2: like each other. We have that. Sean Payton and Andy Reid, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like we have three coaches that have won Super Bowls
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  Speaker 1: and Jim Harbaugh.
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  Speaker 2: Stop and think about that for a second, right? So
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  Speaker 2: that's crazy.
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  Speaker 4: Wow. Now that you break it down, and also, you
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  Speaker 4: got guys who still are doing it at a high level. Like,
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  Speaker 4: normally you get cats who are on the other end
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  Speaker 4: or in that vacation tour where it's like, ah, this
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  Speaker 4: is the last stop. These are still dudes doing it
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  Speaker 4: at the high level. The NFC North part, dude, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know that I've, since the NFC Central as a kid...
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  Speaker 4: This was a division that had Warren Sapp, Barry Sanders,
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  Speaker 4: Randy Moss, Brett Favre in it at the same time, right?
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  Speaker 4: Running around and teams were good, teams were bad, but
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  Speaker 4: it was always interesting.
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  Speaker 3: And then there was that- Derrick Brooks. Derrick Brooks, right? Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Those Tampa Bay teams were fire.
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  Speaker 4: And then you get to the point where Green Bay
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  Speaker 4: has a run of, okay, Brett Favre's the quarterback, then
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  Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers is the quarterback. So you got 25 years
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  Speaker 4: of contention. Minnesota was always cool. And don't forget, they
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  Speaker 4: go from, what is it, Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, Jeff George,
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: all them dudes, Dante Culpepper.
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: It was always an interesting division.
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: This division this year, there's so much intrigue because of
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: the quarterback positions and the coaches, like you mentioned.
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: Matt LaFleur is that dude. Right. Like Dan Campbell has
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: become that dude. Right.
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: And of course, Ben Johnson is the wunderkind. And you
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: take a look at what Kevin O'Connell is doing in Minnesota.
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: He made Sam Donald with a 13-14 game win last year.
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: So it's a crazy place the division finds itself in.
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: And the Bears are going to.
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: Be in the mix, but I'm not as enthused as
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: everybody else is about this roster.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, so last year, I think people got a little
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: over their skis about how advantageous a situation Caleb Williams
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: was in because of the weapons on the outside, ignoring
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: that it was football and football starts on the inside.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: And they didn't have anybody. They didn't have anybody to
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: block for a guy who does not play on time.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: That's not his game. Right.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Like he gets back there and he makes it happen.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: You watched a lot more of him than I did.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: I didn't think he was as bad as advertised. I
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: thought he looked like a rookie quarterback.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: And I do think that.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: The ability to kind of bring guys into the league
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: now with like the RPO games and stuff like that,
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: we don't see the hard-knock rookie years that we used to.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: And I don't know what to make of hard-knock rookie
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: years anymore. Like Josh Allen, I thought, had two hard-knock
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: years coming in, and then he eventually.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Got it right.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: But I don't even know what to make of a
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: good year to start because we've seen– I mean, Robert
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Griffin had the knee injury to go with it, but–
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: We've seen the examples of the guys who started, like
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Mack Jones becomes an example. We're going to watch what
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: happens with Bo Nix, where a guy can start off
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: pretty good and then not wind up being the jam.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield was another guy that was in that situation.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: But now, I feel like... Caleb Williams' situation is so bad,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: not because the team is bad necessarily, but the pressure
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: around him has completely changed. They are absolutely the worst
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: team in that division. I don't think Caleb Williams could
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: go out there and play like Jaden Daniels did last year.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: And I think they're still probably the worst team in
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: the division. On top of that... Big brain Ben has
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: come in, right? Ben Johnson was the offensive coordinator for
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions. And please understand, he do got a
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: big brain. Like, I don't want to act like he's
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: not a very good coordinator, like he doesn't appear to
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: be a very smart dude. But it does appear that
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: rather than cooking a system up to fit the quarterback,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: he seems to be asking the quarterback to fit the system,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: which seems to me to be a recipe for disaster.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: I talked to Courtney Cronin about this on my pod
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: last night, and it's interesting how we treat people that
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: we are supposed to like, right? Like, if somebody does
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: that and you don't like them or you don't think
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: highly of them, it's like, oh, what is this guy doing?
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: But if they do do it, it's like, well, this
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: is why they hired him. You got to play it
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: to his system. Last year, and she stated this to me,
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: and we talked about this, Last year, Caleb Williams was
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: drowning a lot more than people realize, more so than
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: rookie quarterbacks usually have to. Because, one, two coaches got
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: fired during the year. And also, like, he stopped being
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: himself a little bit, right? There was a mention of
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: the fingernail polish. And midway through the season, he stopped
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: doing that.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: He stopped doing that midway through the season. And if
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: you know the story behind it and for all the
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: tough guys, his mom is a nail tech, right? So
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: he's been around his business his entire life, right? And
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: throughout the season, as things started to get tough, he
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: started to notice like, you know what?
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Maybe this ain't the attention.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: And maybe I also am in a, I'm in a
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: locker room where you got a whole bunch of old
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: cats who are looking at you.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: And you've been around it, Bo. You talk to these dudes.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: It's hard for a rookie quarterback to come in in
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: a stable locker room and leave 30, 35 years old.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: You know what he did, man. It happens all the time.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Cats go to court and it's the dreadlocks fault.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Like, I can't rock. I can't. I would, I would,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: I would, I would agree. Well, I do agree. Yeah.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: They get in there with the African McDowell.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: Is that what?
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: With gold for the fall?
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: The week before Michael Vick got arrested, he had brains.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? He showed up in court.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, how you get your ways back so.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Fast, big homie?
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: I would go with that. But it's a thing, right?
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: He's like, I need these cats to follow me.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if they're being ridiculous right now. I
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: don't need to make this harder on myself.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Than it has to be. But I'm disappointed for his
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: own sake that he had to do that.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: I am.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: I am. He had to. He had to.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: He had a locker room full of cats looking at
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: him sideways.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: And also, man, he had a substitute teacher as his
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: head coach.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: Like, he had the dude who might buy a little
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: weed off one of the kids as his head coach.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean?
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: You know the sub where it's like, hey, man, I
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: smell how you're coming in here.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: After class, you know, link up with me. I ain't
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: going to be here long. Right? You straight? Nah, you
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: smoking that Reggie. You're going to get aced. Right?
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: This dude got fired. The first time in Bears history,
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: a coach gets fired in the middle of the season.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: Speaks to how they haven't evaluated talent properly over the years.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: There's a bunch of cats probably should have got fired.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: So he's been in the mix.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: And this whole time took 68 sacks, getting his ass whooped,
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: and also had players doing a lot of shady body
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: language stuff to him that have been drafted over now, right?
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: Bears go out there and go get Luther Burden. Bears
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: go out there and go get Colston Loveland. I would
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: have you look at those two rooms at tight end
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: and wide receiver and see who was doing the shrugging
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: and the shirking and the talking crazy publicly about this dude.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: And the Ben Johnson part, Ben come in here like, yo,
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: I watched the tape. All of y'all suck. So we're
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: going to find out who can do what I need
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: them to do. And he wouldn't have come there if
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: Caleb Williams wasn't a quarterback. So anyway, It's a weird year.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: Ryan Pose got extended, and he's 15-36 as a GM.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: So it's the Chicago way of just saying, here goes
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: some bread, and hopefully it'll work out in the end.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to seeing how the— layers of the
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: onion get peeled back and the excuses go away. Because
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: you go out and get Joe Tooney, you go out
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: and get Drew Domi, you go out and get Jonah Jackson,
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: you make sure the interior of that line is what
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: it's supposed to be. Grady Jarrett just got here 17
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: minutes ago, and he is now a team captain.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: It speaks to.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: The mismanagement of what was supposed to be, hey, we
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: got the number one pick, and now you take off
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: from here. I think it's a personal study going forward,
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: and just because you get the number one pick, just
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: because you get that transcendent generational quarterback, whatever you want
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: to call him, you can still end up being the
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: Jags with Trevor Lawrence looking around like, hey, when are
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: we going to start having this conversation? I think Caleb Williams,
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: a year from now, when it's time to start talking
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: about paying him, hopefully he's not.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: In that mix, but... Yeah, man, it's interesting to say
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: the least.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: But what I find interesting about it, at.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Least for him, is the fact that it's year two.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: And we're making it, this is where the black quarterback
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: thing still is a thing, right? Is when the clock
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: starts on you. And to be fair, the Bears let
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: the clock wind a while on Justin Fields, right? So
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I don't want to pretend as though what we're talking
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: about are like straight line absolutes, which is weird, by
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: the way, because I think the promise of Caleb Williams
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: is greater than the promise truly ever was with Fields.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Fields is a better athlete, but in terms of like
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: watching the two of them in college, I think that
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Williams is probably the better quarterback, right?
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's year two. He came
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: out after three years of college. And we like if
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: he can't get on board with this guy that's never
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: been a head coach before, then I think he's cooked.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Like there's there's an element of that that I think
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: is a little bit crazy. But the other part is
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: you knew what this dude was when you drafted him.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: And so you have to build around what he is.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: What I will always give the Arizona Cardinals credit for
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: is that once they decided they were taking Kyler Murray,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: they did not try to turn Kyler Murray into Johnny Unitas.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: They had you know, he was the quarterback that fit
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: the coach that they wanted to hire and could do
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: the things. And they tried to do the things you
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: could talk about how well it worked or it didn't work.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: But they did not try to make that guy into
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: somebody that he is not. I don't think that you
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: can turn Caleb Williams, especially not somebody with the confidence
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: that this dude had coming out of school.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: And I don't know what that confidence is as.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: It stands, but you can't, you're either going to work
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: with him as the type of quarterback that he is,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: or he's not right. Like you need to coach around him.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: For example, like you did with Russell Wilson, Russell Wilson
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: is not a guy that played on time. Russell Wilson
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: made eight, nine pro bowls being Russell Wilson. That's the
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: way you got to do it.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: The, the issue is, Russell Wilson had all that around him, too.
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: I think asking Caleb Williams to be himself is not
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: the problem. I think what the problem is is saving
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: him from himself, understanding that these ain't the dudes you
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: used to play against. And in the end, asking Caleb
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: to be himself four or five times a game as
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: opposed to 10 to 12 times a game is going
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: to be the difference between.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Him looking like he's supposed to look.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: It sounds crazy, but Ben Johnson came here to make
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: Caleb Williams a little bit more.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Jared Goff in terms of, hey, When that thing.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: Ain't there, take the cheese, man. Take the free money.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: Go check it down. We'll work our way down the field.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: And when everything breaks down, or if we're in a
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: two-minute drive, or.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: If this is a come-from-behind victory opportunity, then you turn
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: into Superman.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: And that's tough.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: I always liken it to NBA talented, like super talented,
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: you-supposed-to-be-the-dude rookies, where it's like, hey, man, I'm out here
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: trying to prove this shit not only to the league,
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: but to my teammates and to myself. And you reach
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: that point where it's like, all right, I've proven this.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: Now let's get to the more efficient game. And the
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: NFL seems like with these quarterbacks, these dudes are trying
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: to prove it to everybody also while.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Being told, hey, be more efficient immediately.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: And the guys like Anthony Richardson, guys who come out
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: and be like, yo, how do you not make that work?
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: Or how does this not translate? And professionalism and all
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: these other things, that's cool. If Kat's out there, listen,
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: shout out to Cam Newton. But when I was in
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: Atlanta and Cam was a Carolina Panther, we called it
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: Cam Tuesdays because you understood that that was the man
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: and you.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Might see him in Atlanta. Even though he don't play
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: in Atlanta, right? He was the dude. You ain't going
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: to tell me about what a.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: Dude can and can't do if he's producing at such
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: a high level. Now, if Caleb gets to the point
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: where he's producing at a high level, then yeah, maybe
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: all the stuff will come back. I want him to
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: be himself anyway, because in the end, if you're going
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: to fail, fail being yourself.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: That's how I see it. That's what we tell each other. Like, yo,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: don't be anybody else.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: The problem is being himself might get him killed out
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: there sometimes. Or we might not find out, okay, he
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: strung these two, three, four games together, and now the
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: confidence can grow, not only in the fan base, but
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: in the people around him. Like, there's a lot of
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: pressure on that dude's shoulders, but this is what happens
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: when you are a bona fide superstar before you.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Ever play a game.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: Like, they had him in the NFL Sunday night promo
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: week one, where they had the brick of quarterbacks behind
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: the Sunday night.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: They had him as one of the dudes, and I'm like...
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: It's a lot. And I've told Chicago cats like we're
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: not used to this. Right. Shane Matthews don't get invited
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: to the Met Gala. You know what I'm saying?
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: Like Jim McMahon ain't out here running around going to
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: Paris Fashion Week.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: He is not only he's not only ours, but he's everybody.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: So you're going to have to you're going to have
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: to understand that to let him get his shit off.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: You got to let him get his shit off, if
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: that makes sense.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Well, so I'll make this point before we go to
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: the break.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I was talking to somebody about the Cowboys, Doc, and
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: it said very briefly a very important part of that
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: San Francisco 49ers story, which was the transition from Joe
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Montana to Steve Young, which was not a peaceful transition.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: It came with a lot of levels to it, right?
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: But what people didn't realize was they went and got
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Steve Young, I want to say it was in 1987
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: after Montana got his back hurt. And the expectation was
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: that Montana.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Was not going to be able to hold up.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: The other part that's very important in it is Bill
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Walsh firmly believed that Joe Montana was replaceable. And he
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: believed as long as you do what this offense says
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: to do, an offense, by the way, that doesn't have audibles.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Everything you need is built into the play in the
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: eyes of those West Coast guys, right?
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Particularly the Walsh player.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: And so the idea of moving on for Joe Montana
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: for him was nothing because he's like, what Joe Montana
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: did was what I told him to do. And then
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: if everything broke down, he'd scamper for a little bit.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: And so he's like, if I can just teach Steve
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Young to do everything I tell him to do. And
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: then at that time, he's probably the best athlete and
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL. Then imagine what that could be.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: And then Montana just can't be a man.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Get off me, dog.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Get off me, dog.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: He kept doing that. And then Montana, I think, hurt
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: his elbow. I forget when is the back, when is
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: the elbow. But anyway, that's when Steve Young wound up
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: getting the job. But the point I'm making is A
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: lot of coaches, and Ben Johnson seems to fit this idea, just.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Believe all you need to do is what I say, right?
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: And all these guys, the Shanahan, McVay sort of school
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: of quarterback, of coaching, that believes that I just need
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: a quarterback to do what I told you to do.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Now, McVay ran out of road on that one with
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Jerry Goff.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Yes, he did. I was going to say that.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Gotta, I gotta go get a dude. Right. And then,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: and then he went and got a dude.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: And they wanted that one year. And that's another story
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: for this year. That, that dude and his bad back
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: and you know, what was going to wind up happening
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: with Stafford. But I say all that to say, I
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: don't know if hiring the coach who believes his system
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: trumps all was the right move for a player with
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: the kind of flexibility in what he does as Williams is.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: The key to me, though, is you just got to
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: keep his head in the game because I do firmly
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: believe the more that I watch football, the more I
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: realize what's important for quarterbacks, whatever the reason is, is
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: the ability to see the throw and make the throw
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: the shortest distance. between see the throw and make the throw.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: And then of course make it once you've done it,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: but you know, connect, connect on it. But that time
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: difference is all the world's difference in the world. That's
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: why James Winston can look great when he doesn't look terrible.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Cause no matter what that boy decisive, you get that ball.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Out of there, bro. Conviction. Conviction, right? It catches all
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: the time.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: Talk about the pitch that I want is never going
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: to be greater than the pitch you want to throw.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: So if you.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: Think that this fastball ain't going to get rocked, I
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: know it's going to get rocked. But shit, throw that bitch.
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  Speaker 3: And that's exactly how you're supposed to go at it, man. Conviction.
• 30:56
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  Speaker 4: And also, don't sleep on how much of a PR
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: move the Ben Johnson hire was as well. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know in the time that I've been a Chicago Bears
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: fan if the Bears have ever done something where it's like, man,
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  Speaker 4: we all want you to do this, but you're going
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: to draft Shady McClellan, right? This is Ben Johnson, and
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: we all looking at it like, nah, that don't happen
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: to the Bears, and it happened. So it's a PR move, too.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: We're going to see, man, because big brain Ben.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: James, I know.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: He's good. He's good. He's good. He's good.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: There's no question that he's good, right? I loved it
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: when we was out here throwing laterals to the offensive linemen.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? I loved every minute of that.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: But then when he had the worst decision maker in
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: the whole state of Michigan.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: The one, hold up. And this is the part I
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: don't never talk about.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: The one who had just started humping the ground after
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: he scored that touchdown.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine? Look, man, football players love each other.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Because let me tell you something, man.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I ain't about to bear hug you while you're humping
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: the ground, but that's what the homies had to do
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: to save them 15 yards.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's going to be stapled to his
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: resume until something else happens.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right after the placing bets from the facility.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: You remember that?
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: You know, you got to have your players be able
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: to do all things. Maybe it was for Amon Ross St. Brown, and,
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: you know, he just went with Jameson on that one, man.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: I don't know what to tell you, bro. You know,
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: welcome to Chicago. Bear football, man.
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• 35:39
  Speaker 1: We talked a little bit there about America's team, hashtag
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: one pride, my Detroit Lions. And, you know, they lost
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Ben Johnson. They lost Aaron Glenn, who's going to be
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: the head coach of the New York Jets, H-Town. Wishing
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: him the best up here with that squad. Although, they
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: still the Jets, brother. Just letting you know that right now, partner.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Nothing good is going to happen to you.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, look, man, you can't turn down the opportunity when
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: it comes, man.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: But this is, you know what it is? There's a
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: difference between an opportunity and a chance. right he has.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Not been given an opportunity break it down.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: He got a chance right sometimes you got a good
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: chance sometimes you got a not great chance sometimes the
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: chance is a slim an opportunity is an opportunity a
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: chance is on a spectrum and coaching the jets you
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: got a chance that's it you.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: Got a chance to be a head coach you know
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: you got a chance to to brush up on your
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: You know, your press conference skills.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: You got a shot. You got a shot, right?
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: You got a couple of, you know, come from behind
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: wins that may happen because you're not supposed to have
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: a chance.
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: Aaron Glenn is one of those... Aaron Glenn, one of
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: my favorite football card guys, too, by the way.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: Every time I opened up a pack of Upper Deck
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: or Fleer, I had good old number 31 wearing that
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: Jets green running around. So, shout out to Aaron Glenn.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: And good facial hair guy, too, right?
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: Keeps himself well-maintained. I just.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: You know, we're going to look back after this run
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: and it's going to look like a president's aging.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? We're going to look at him.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you what Aaron Glenn also appears to
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: be to me. Aaron Glenn, and we talk a lot
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: about how you don't need to try your pops, but
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: he's especially the pops you don't need to try. This
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: man's what, like a five foot nine, five foot 10
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: football player. He clearly throwing up more weight than he
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: did when he was in the NFL. He is prepared.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Prepared.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Now always ready. You know what I mean?
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: The kind of cat, like Aaron Glenn looks like one
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: of them dudes who walk up to you and the
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: cool sayings put you on alert, right? Like, okay, I
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: know who I, you know, hey, what's going on? Hey,
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: can't call it, I might spoil it. Like that kind
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: of guy.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: Like, okay, he's being nice because he can and will
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: break you down to your lowest common denominator.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: I wish that we had more cool phrases because he's
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: a little bit older than us, but I wish that
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: we had more cool phrases in our vernacular from that
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: time period. Because he absolutely like somebody that would go,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: what's going on, man?
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Ain't nothing, daddy-o. What's happening with you?
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: That's it. That's it.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: He look like he got a bunch of nose in it.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Put you on notice that, hey, this can be a
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: good interaction. I'm a cool guy.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: But I also come from a place where interactions sometimes switch.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Up in the middle of them.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, look, man.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: I'm down.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Like, you see this stone cold fox right here that's
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: with me, brother man. We just out here trying to
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: have a nice time at dinner. But here you all
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: be here making all this noise.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: You dig?
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to need you.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: To quiet down before, with all due respect, I come
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: shut your ass up.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: You feel me?
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: Hey, you just made me think of a moment where
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: I was at dinner probably a few years ago when
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: I first met my wife. And somebody was getting loud
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: at a table next to us. And old brother had
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: the dive hat on. He was looking fresh, you know,
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: had his gaiters.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: This man leaned over and was like, hey, man.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: Why would we mess around and make all these noise
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: in front of these ladies when we can just go
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: make some noise outside? And I looked at the person
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: who he was talking to and I was like, hey,
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: abort mission, gang.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: Abort mission. This is not a man who said anything
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: about going to the trunk.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Please drop
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: that line again.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: He said, he looked over, he said, why would we
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: make all this noise in front of these ladies like
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: this when we can just go outside and make some.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Noise on our own? And I was like, oh, okay.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: Because this implies that there's going to be noises coming
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: from outside.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: We just don't need to upset the womenfolk about this.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: And that's when I was like, hey, man, send him
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: whatever he want from me. You know what I mean?
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: This is how you make friends in Chicago. Telling you,
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: I ain't want no problem. Then come to find out,
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: you know, custodial.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Arts, young man, you know what I mean? Yeah, OG,
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: he didn't want no problems. You know what I'm saying?
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: I'm on my second strike. I need to chill. You
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: know what I mean? We need more old cats like that.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: But now.
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: You can't really talk to the young boys the way
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: you want to because the young boys will get out
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: of line.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: We in that OG. You're right.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: That is an amazing thing.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: I know he didn't raise his voice even a little
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: bit when he said that.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: It was a quiet place. We were in a place
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: that doesn't have noise. We weren't at Nobu where things
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: are crashing and everybody want to be... No, no, no.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: We were at a sit-down You know what I mean?
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: Black napkin spot. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Let's stop making
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: this noise. I don't want the ladies to be upset
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: about what's about to happen right here.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: You know, like when a man leads over and looks
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: at you and goes, I know what's going to happen
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: to you.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: I just don't want the car ride back home to
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: be too shaky.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Because the thing is, because what's going to happen to
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: you is not going to stop me from completing my meal.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: No, at all.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do this thing with you. They're going
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: to come fold you up, and I'm going to sit
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: back down. And I'm going to be like, so what.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: Will you say? Yeah, yeah. I already zelled the bail
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: money to my lady. You know what I'm saying?
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Baby, they're going to be here in a couple of minutes.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: When they come, be cool.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: It's fine.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: It ain't going to take long. Just call this number.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Call this mate.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Give my lamb chops to go. You know what to do.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: But with the Lions....
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: This is where I'm torn on the Lions.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: I think the part that we're forgetting about is the
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: reason that Washington beat them is they ran out of players.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: They just kept going down guys, kept going down, kept
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: going down. Jerry Goff also did not have a great game,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: but the real issue was they were depleted by injuries.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: The question is whether or not they're going to be
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: a team that is similar to the 49ers where you
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: have to ask, are you down on injuries because of
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: something y'all be doing? Is this going to be a thing?
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Because this is a crazy physical team And with the
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: mentality they got and the head coach they got, that's
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: the only question I have because they were down 20-something
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: dudes on IR or something like that to a point
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: last year.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Hutchinson is going to be back.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: You presume it at a lot of these other, you know,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: a lot of these other cats are going to be back.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: They have so much talent top to bottom on that team.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: But this is kind of the second year of their window.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: They went to the NFC championship game last year. They
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: were the best team in the NFC, though. I think
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: if they had had to play the Eagles, it probably
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have gone the way that they wanted it to.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: But I don't know what exactly to make. They're down
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: the two coordinators.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Like there've been so many changes, but I do believe
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: that as much as the coordinator thing mattered, nothing matters
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: more than the dude they got in charge, which you
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: never could have convinced me I would have been saying
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: like 10 years ago.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: Dan Campbell went from interim coach who was the tight
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: ends coach. We were like, Oh, look at this meathead
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: to look at this dude rallying the troops in a
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: way that, yeah, you got some talented Catholic.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Let's, let's not get it twisted.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: I'm on Ross.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: St. Brown is a fourth round pick.
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: Right? Like, Panay Sewell is one of the best players
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: in all of sports, not just football, right? So, like,
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: that's blue chip stuff right there. Noah Sewell, his brother,
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: plays for the Bears, actually pretty good linebacker as well.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: But he's got David Montgomery.
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: This is an Iowa State Cyclone running back who people
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: thought in this city, all right, he's been ground to
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: the nubs. He ain't going to get much out of
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: him from there on. This dude put something in crazy people,
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: known as football players, that takes them to another level.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: What you mentioned is so important, though. When you get
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: to the end of the season, after all the trick
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: plays have been run, after you done beat the hell
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: out of everybody and in the process beat the hell
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: out of yourselves, what do you.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Have to rely on?
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: And I think the Aiden Hutchinson thing is paramount. Like
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: the fact that that dude did, I think him as
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: a run defender is discounted in a way that a
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: lot of pass rushers don't.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: You know, he gets sacks, but can he hold the edge?
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: Aiden Hutchinson's a damn good run defender.
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: They got some cats who, in Jameer Gibbs, like, there's
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: so much stardom and, like, oh, he going to get
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: 20 touchdowns every year now. Like, they're not going to
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: surprise anybody anymore, right? The Detroit Lions are here, and
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: it sounds weird to say that. I'm looking forward to
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: seeing how they come back from all those coaching departures.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Like, they lost Antoine Randall, at least. Lost Ben Johnson.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: Lost Aaron Glenn. They lost a lot of people. But
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: that dude at the top, he puts up, man, he
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: make you feel like you can run through a wall
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: and then you run through that wall. It's just by
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: week 16, you're like, damn, I ran through about four
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: or five of them bitches.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? Like, how many walls are
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: we going to run through? Like, when is the Super Bowl, right?
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? The commanders, the commanders.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: Upped and called them and had people run They can
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: mess around and go to the Super Bowl and the
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: Eagles is.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: Like, nah, get that shit up out of here.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Hey, let me tell you, man.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: The Lions, it probably felt good in the moment, but
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: the Lions being so injured might have done a disservice
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: to the commandos because the way we talk about what
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: is possible with them would have been tempered a little
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: bit differently if they had not won that game. And
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: my thing with Jayden Daniels is, let's see, I think
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: we saw enough to see in year one that he
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: will be a very good quarterback. That doesn't mean he
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: will be very good in year two. Like, we see
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: this happen with quarterbacks all the time, right? It's not
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: like a running back. A running back going to be here,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: and then it's going to go here, and then one
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: day it's going to go like that.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: But just about every other position in the NFL, you
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: can look at the numbers, you can look at the production,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: and the numbers are going to tell you how good
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: that player was.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Quarterback is a little weird. It doesn't quite work that way.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: And so winning that game against the depleted Detroit Lions,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: that would have waxed that ass if they'd have had
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: all their players.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: Well, the linear growth that you expect just because of sports, right?
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: The problem is with that position, that growth is happening
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: hopefully in a nurturing environment.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Look at C.J. Stroud. C.J.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: Stroud lost linemen. He lost Nico Collins for a little bit.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: He lost wide receivers. He lost tight end. And you're like,
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: what happened to C.J. Stroud?
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: C.J.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: Stroud might have had as good a season as he
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: had in his rookie year, but numbers-wise, it didn't.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: Feel that way.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: And wins-wise, it didn't feel that way because we just think, oh,
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: you killed last year. You're supposed to kill this year. Well,
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: he killed last year because he was a rookie quarterback.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: with everything going right around him, right? I don't care
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: what you want to say. Terry McLaurin signed a deal
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: after saying, hey, y'all, I'm the best thing smoking out here.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: You go into a season like, all right, I got
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: to do this all over again. Debo Samuel, they made
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: so much fun of that man and his cakes.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: Running around in them highlights, right?
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: That he came in the training camp slim and trim.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: Like, there's a lot. The commanders ain't sneaking up on
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: anybody anymore. And then, you know, Jaden... and his.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: Off season and people talking about the mom and just
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: stuff like this, all eyes on you fam. I don't
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: know that the commanders are going to be what they
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: were last year.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: They might be, he might be a better player. They, hell,
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: they might be a better team.
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised if they take a step back
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: to a couple of wins, especially with the strength of
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: schedule that they got this year, as opposed to last year.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: I just want to make this point about Debo Samuel
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: very quickly. Debo Samuel has made the pro bowl one
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: time and that was four years ago.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: I'm just like.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Took a running back beating his entire career. And then
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: that's number two, right? Like, you can't... Like the same
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: thing that happened with Cam Newton as a quarterback. You
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: had to look at his aging arc like a running
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: back's aging arc. Now, Deebo didn't take nearly as many carries,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: but I'm just saying that, like, we a little more
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: hyped up over him than his actual production.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: See, his rock tree, though, Bo, his rock tree is carries.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: His rock tree is zero, one, and two. Yeah. Ain't
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: no sluggos. Ain't no deep outs. What are we talking about?
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: Hey, you're about to catch this ball where the nickel
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: cornerback is breathing on you and that linebacker about to
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: take your head off.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: Okay. Enjoy this six, seven yards. You might break one.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: And when you break one, we're going to be, hey,
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: but those other three or four catches that you get
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: that are essentially carried, like that short passing game.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Is not for the weak.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: Can you imagine if you looked at Marvin, well, the
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: name that won't be spoken on this pod, and Reggie
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: Wayne and them boys back then and.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: Said, hey, we doing nothing but zero routes, smoke routes,
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: enjoy yourselves. What? You saw that New England playoff? Those
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: New England playoff games? And the boys was like, give
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: me a pillow. I'm about to lay right. I am
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: not paid to take hits. Now, if you a sly receiver,
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: promise you, you.
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: Gonna get that quote-unquote bell rung at least two, three
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: times a game because of how close to the line
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: of scrimmage you are. Deebo Samuel been taking throw carries
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: for his entire career.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: His entire career.
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: And they lost Olamide Zaccheaus, who was a terrific part
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: of that team, too.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, the NFC is.
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: super weird like I'm always in this like okay you
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: can't have a rematch in the Super Bowl but Philly
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: right and then who else What are we really talking about?
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: The Rams, you see their odds for Super Bowl glory.
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: The NFC's got this weird Eastern Conference, late 90s NBA
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: kind of vibe tour. It's like somebody going to come
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: out that thing and they're going to have to go
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: up against either Lamar, Josh, or Patrick Mahomes. But after Philly,
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: I don't know who you really say. Who's the second
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: best team or third best team in the NFC that
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: you are sure about?
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: The Detroit Lions.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: Man, we just did this. Them boys are still broken
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: up from last year.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: You asked me if I was sure. The Detroit Lions, right?
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: But number three might be, because I got something that
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: would hit you right quick, because I know we.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: Got to get you out of here. Yeah, for sure.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: But I'm going to just say right quickly.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: I saw something where.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: The books, one of the sports books has the Vikings
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: over under on Wednesdays here at eight and a half.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: That to me is a canary in the coal mine.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: And they want a lot of close games last year,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of close games last year. They're throwing a
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: rookie quarterback out there. And we're going to see as
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: good as they were on defense schematically. We're going to
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: see how everybody else is maybe caught up to that
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: with them. But like, I think they're, they're not, I
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: think they should be better than the bears, but I
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: think they are closer to the bears than they are
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: to the lions and The Green.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Bay Packers, they got Micah Parsons.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: And I want to take a moment right fast because
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: I may reference to Micah Parsons being an off-ball linebacker.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: And I remember watching him as a rookie being an
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: off-ball linebacker and thinking I was pretty good. And then
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: the comments on YouTube told me I was crazy. And
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: then I looked a little bit more up and I'm like, oops,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: my bad. The Michael Parsons thing is going to be
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: interesting to watch because they got two monster pass rushers, right?
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: They got Gary on one side. They're going to have him.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: But teams are absolutely going to run on Michael Parsons
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: a lot. That's what they are going to do. But
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: they also have a quarterback who could take leap. Like
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: I'm in on him. I understand that it's a trick
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: or treat situation with Jordan Love. But I feel like.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: the Josh Allen realm is possible with him, right? And
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: the reason I say that is he is starting from
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: a higher place than Josh Allen did.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Like where Josh Allen was and where.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen got to, we cannot like, I crossed my
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: fingers on Anthony Richardson thinking something like that was possible
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: and you see how that has worked out so far.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: But Jordan Love had a much higher floor than I
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: think you had with Allen and very similar physical characteristics,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: physical traits and all of that stuff. And you know,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Allen started playing younger, but once Allen, once Love got
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: on the field, it took a little while to get
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: up to speed, but he was looking like a guy
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: in that class of player, right? This could be the
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: year with that guy. And they even went and took
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: a wide receiver in the first round, right?
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: And they had to. And looking at it now with
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: the injury. situation there, wide receiver room. They had to because,
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: you know, Christian Watson is a terrific player, but he's
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: going to miss five or six games, right? You know,
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: you got Dobbs, you got Jaden Reed. They got some
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: guys out there, but all of them have been banged
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: up this training camp.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: You mentioned the Micah Parsons thing. Man, listen, you can
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: run at them all you want, right?
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: I love, I think Xavier McKinney is the best defensive
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: player that nobody talks about in the league. They got
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: a lot of talent and they have to win in
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: this next two years.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: They have to. Because the money that they paying out,
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: you mentioned Rashawn Gary.
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: Who, by the way, one of them cats, like the
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: Rudy Gay vibes where it's like, you know how cold
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: he is in college, but he don't really have to
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: do it. And then you get to the league like, oh,
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: this is what college was holding back. Like he was
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: in Michigan, but he was like one of the, if
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken, he was like top.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was number one. And every week was like,
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: all right, here it come. He going to be a
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: game wrecker. And every week it was kind of like
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: flash here and there. Pressures.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: Lots of pressures.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: Almost sacks. You know what I mean? And now he
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: is one of the better edge players in the game.
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: Green Bay's got that whip. It's just, like you mentioned,
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: you know, Jordan Love does have a little Ben Roethlisberger
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: to his game.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: Got a little double agent. Got a little double agent
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: to him. A little far.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: A little far.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: You know what he got in that?
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: That computer assistance. He got that. He got that. He
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: going to keep this close. He going to keep this close.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: Tap that Y button on accident. And you sit there like, damn,
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: I hit the X button. No, no. You know what
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about. When you look down at the control, like, oh,
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: this is an Xbox. My bad. I keep doing this.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: And sometimes it happens in the playoffs. That's the problem.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: It happened. Jordan Love went on a streak of like
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: five games. He gets in the playoffs. He's like, X.
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: X again.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: X again. We're going to get this X button rocking
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: unless y'all make a change. Oh, wait a minute. Game
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: is over? Three turnovers later?
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: Hey, man.
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: They call them J-Lo and J-No.
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: All I know is as a fan of the Chicago Bears,
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: it is far from me to be making fun of
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: anybody's quarterback situation.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: And the Minnesota thing you mentioned.
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: Justin Jefferson, that lower leg injury, that hamstring situation that
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: he got going on. It's going to be the battle
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: of the two hurt dudes on Monday Night Football. Jalen
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: Johnson and Justin Jefferson. Both of them are going to
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: be on pitch counts because both of them got a
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: groin and a hamstring injury.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: The NFC North is intriguing across the board. I'm looking
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: forward to it.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: I'm glad we can stop watching and thinking about preseason
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: and training campings.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: And get to some actual football, man. Nah, man.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: We about to get to some games.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: The Cowboys going to be there on Thursday night against
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: the Eagles.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: It'll be so funny if the Cowboys win that game.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: They're going to. You know they're going to. You know that.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: I never know they're going to win anything.
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: This is what's going to happen. They're going to win
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: that game, right? Deron Bland is going to make a play.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: That's right. And you know Jay is.
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: Going to be sitting there at the podium in the
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: third quarter like, hey, where's my camera at? Let me
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: tell Michael Parsons about what we don't need over here.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you this, though.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: The Eagles might need to be glad that Michael Parsons
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: ain't going to be there. Now, granted, he's on the
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: outside and the Eagles tackle game is strong, but Mekhi
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Becton is not going to be on that line. Landon
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Dickerson apparently is hurt. um, like they, this is not
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: the same exact team that they had. It is unreasonable
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: to expect Saquon Barkley at his age and the workload
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: that he has taken to be as good this year
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: as he was last year. For example, this, they are loaded.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Like there's no need to discuss. They probably have the
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: most talented roster in the NFL. But it ain't the
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: same roster that they had last year. And I'm really
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: curious to see what the margins are at the tippy top. Because, look,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: the Rams gave them a game last year.
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: And on top of it, when those things, when that
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: formula is in the pot and you're looking at the
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: chef and you go, oh, we're missing this ingredient, we're
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: missing that ingredient.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: You'd like for your chef to be Michelin star rated.
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: You tell me.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: He's not. He's not. Hold on, hold on, hold on,
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. That is
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: the thing about this, man.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: I sent a tweet last year, early in the year,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: I think it's when he got into it with the fans,
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, they just waiting to do the inevitable,
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: and they still won the championship. But my opinion of
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: this man has not changed. That's the thing I think
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: that's hard. They're so loaded that I don't think very
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: highly of their head coach. I don't think but so
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: highly of their quarterback. But I will say for the quarterback,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: he does all the quarterback things with the finger quotes
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: that are very important. And with the head coach, he's
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: brash in the way where he will let his, like
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: unleash the talent that they wind up having and maybe
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: not try to cook everything up. But there's a range
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: of how this situation might go.
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: Over there. Mess around and go 10-7. And your security
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: guard being one of the more important people in your organization.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: See how that plays.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: See how that plays.
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: See if Big Dom can save you your gig. Yeah, man.
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: The Eagles are going to be a fun story to watch.
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: And also, you know, the banner night, they're not going
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: to be outside for it. Like, they all focused. All
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: I need, all I need is to go back to
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: the week of the playoffs where your number one wide
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: receiver was like, The passing game is the problem.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Yo, that did happen.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: It is amazing to look back and realize that that.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: Team won a championship.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: Real Barry Switzer-led vibes around that thing.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: All the stuff that we say is important, right? All
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: the things that we say are important. Got to have
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: a passing game these days. Got to have that kind
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: of quarterback. Got to have a head coach that everybody
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: believes in.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: All of that stuff. They were like, no, what you
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: need is a bunch of dudes from Georgia.
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: That's what you need. And a bunch of big offensive linemen.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: That's it. It's a simple game that is made complex
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: by fools. You know what I mean?
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: That's the other thing that the old black homie said
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: to the dude he was going to go scrap outside
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: of the restaurant. Yeah, man.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: Shout out to the Eagles. Shout out to all y'all
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: Eagles fans.
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: But it is never fun at the top until you
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: get back to the top. And the NFL is hard
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: to stay at the top. I look forward to seeing
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: what's going to happen in the NFC especially because, you know,
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: the Bears look and smell like an eight-win, seven-win team.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: We should be happy about that.
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: No, for sure. For sure, man. You know, we building.
• 58:45
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• 58:48
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• 58:55
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• 58:59
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• 59:03
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• 59:06
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• 59:08
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• 59:08
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• 59:10
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• 59:11
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• 59:12
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• 59:15
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• 59:17
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