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The Week That Was - May 25 2022 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: And well it is Friday morning. It's time for the
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Speaker 1: week that was, and I'm delighted to say that joining
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Speaker 1: us in the studio this morning. From the COLP, we've
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Speaker 1: got Jared Mayley, good morning to you.
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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.
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Speaker 1: And we've got independent Kezy Apuric, good morning to.
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Speaker 3: You, morning, Katy, morning rural people.
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Speaker 1: Well, and from the ALP we've got Chancey pay good
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Speaker 1: morning to you.
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Speaker 4: Good morning Katie. In a shout out to everyone tuned in.
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Speaker 5: Oh lovely to have you in the studio. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Well, they can listen on the iHeartRadio app so
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Speaker 1: they can listen on there. So and we do have
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Speaker 1: quite a few people contact us from Alice Springs. I
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Speaker 1: know they'll be listening this morning. We will talk about
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Speaker 1: some of the issues being experienced in Alis a little
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Speaker 1: bit later, but let's get into it. There is so
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Speaker 1: much happening around the place. And we kicked off the
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Speaker 1: week with a brand new chief Minister as we know
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Speaker 1: of course, Natasha Files and all then territories newest chief minister.
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Speaker 1: She said that no deals were made to get the
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Speaker 1: numbers and get well the left faction ultimately winning. Insideers
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Speaker 1: say that the right were ropeable after a number of
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Speaker 1: their faction obviously voted with the left to make Filesy
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Speaker 1: the leader Chancey were the.
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Speaker 5: Rivaball were the deals done?
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Speaker 4: You have to be some deals done there. This is
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Speaker 4: a great, great way to start start the week. Natasha
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Speaker 4: files As the new Chief Minister. Fantastic chief minister, one
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Speaker 4: of our longer serving cabinet ministers, great experience, great knowledge
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Speaker 4: and absolutely unanimous decision of the caucus. So yeah, great.
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Speaker 4: I think she's done a fantastic week first week in Parliament,
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Speaker 4: finishing off a lot of the good work that former
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Speaker 4: Chief Minister Michael Gunner had done. So as we begin
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Speaker 4: to see your cheeky keasier, as we begin to move through,
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Speaker 4: we'll begin to see Natasha putting her stamp on.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because a lot of people were going, well, yeah, that's.
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Speaker 5: Inc It's funny.
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Speaker 1: People like towards the end of last week, you know,
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Speaker 1: a lot of people seem to think that it was
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Speaker 1: a done deal that Nicole Madison was going to be.
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Speaker 1: Markesier called it, I'm so the way. We're like, no,
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that it could go the other way.
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Speaker 4: So if you're saying if I want to place a bet,
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Speaker 4: I need to check with you. You're the wealth of knowledge.
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Speaker 3: Let me see it on the record. And people have
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Speaker 3: heard me say this before. I only bet on things
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Speaker 3: I know, and I have never lost on a political bet.
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Speaker 4: Betting on for Saturdays. Oh, I think you're right.
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Speaker 1: Talk more about the cosier. One thing we're all sort
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Speaker 1: of waiting to see as well is how the cabinet
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Speaker 1: pans out. Our chancey, are we going to expect a
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Speaker 1: cabinet reshuffle today or is that happening early next week.
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Speaker 4: Look at this stage, we'll work through and look at
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Speaker 4: making the ninth ministry available. Today, we'll go through caucus,
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Speaker 4: had that conversation, work out who that is, and over
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Speaker 4: the weekend the Chief Minister will obviously work through chat
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Speaker 4: with the new cabinet and we'll look to see an
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Speaker 4: announcement early next week.
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Speaker 2: It's just a shame that this happened when we're talking
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Speaker 2: about budget in the last two weeks, which is probably
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Speaker 2: the most important time.
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Speaker 1: Turn everyone's microphones off for a second and remind you
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Speaker 1: to be respectful.
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Speaker 3: There might have been lots of reshuffles within this CLP,
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Speaker 3: and lots of ministers and chiefs but there was only
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Speaker 3: ever one speaker. Yeah, there was only ever one speaker.
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Speaker 5: Let's talk about this minister.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about this ministerial reshuffle though that we are anticipating.
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Speaker 1: I mean, are we tipping that there's going to be
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Speaker 1: some big changes here or are we thinking that things
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Speaker 1: are going to remain pretty steady but some pivotal changes.
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Speaker 5: I think the question on a lot of people's lips.
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Speaker 1: To be quite frank about it, is there wondering whether
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Speaker 1: Nicole Madison is going to be able to retain the
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Speaker 1: police portfolio.
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Speaker 3: I don't think she should retain the police portfolio because
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Speaker 3: we have some serious issues with police retention and morale,
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Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. Of little thing called crime everywhere,
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Speaker 3: and it's even sneaking down my Wallaby Holtz Road and
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Speaker 3: people's property is being broken into by itinerants who are
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Speaker 3: camp down the end of the road. That's a side story.
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Speaker 3: I think the issue, I think we've got to look
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Speaker 3: at it and talk about, and it's obviously critical for
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Speaker 3: Labor is whatever Chief Minister Files does and whoever she
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Speaker 3: puts in whatever portfolios, that has to take them through
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Speaker 3: to the next election. So she's to be pretty sure
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Speaker 3: that the people that she puts or gives the portfolios to,
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Speaker 3: and police is obviously a critical one, they'll be able
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Speaker 3: to affect some kind of change, whether the police commissioner
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Speaker 3: and his management team need to have a hard good
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Speaker 3: look at themselves and what they're doing or not doing,
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Speaker 3: and have good direction from either Nicole Madison as the
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Speaker 3: saying Minister or a new minister. But I think if
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Speaker 3: I was a chief Minister, I wouldn't be making wholesale
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Speaker 3: changes because it's really hard for stakeholders and external people
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Speaker 3: to the political arena to form relationships with a new
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Speaker 3: minister and new de Utman or whatever. So you know,
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Speaker 3: like I do have a lot to do with Evil
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Speaker 3: Lawler and her staff and those departments that she's in
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Speaker 3: charge of, water planning and environment because that's critical to
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Speaker 3: the ruler. So if you get a change to a
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Speaker 3: new minister, I'm not saying you can't start a new relationship,
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Speaker 3: but it just takes time and sometimes, you know, and
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Speaker 3: particularly when you're in the middle of a critical issue.
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Speaker 3: For example, chances the Minister for Local Government at the moment,
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Speaker 3: now we've got a fairly big issue in the Greater
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Speaker 3: Rule area because the government wants to try and incorporate
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Speaker 3: unincorporated areas. Now Dundee and Marichai America's in my area
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Speaker 3: and a little bit of Douglas Daily. Now that's a
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Speaker 3: very important issue. So if I have to go and
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Speaker 3: as the as the member for the area, form a
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Speaker 3: new relationship, you know that takes time, can be difficult,
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Speaker 3: and you don't know who that new minister is good
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Speaker 3: and whether they's sort of it will be strong or
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Speaker 3: really not good. But I think the first issue, apart
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Speaker 3: from what Chances started with, is of the four backbenchers,
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Speaker 3: who's going to be the new minister. You've got Lawrence
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Speaker 3: Costa member for Arafura. You've got Joel and meant for Johnson.
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Speaker 3: You've got Duran Young who's daily and of course you've
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Speaker 3: got the speaker.
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Speaker 4: Kit you're ruling out. You know, member, he's.
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Speaker 3: Too busy shaking, he's too busy cuddling babies and stuff.
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Speaker 1: It's surely he's not going to So.
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Speaker 3: Really, the question the question we should ask Chance is
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Speaker 3: who does he think of those foot people? He gets
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Speaker 3: to vote? So who's he going too.
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Speaker 2: To come into the pressures on the pressure you what
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Speaker 2: deals have been done in the back room here now
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Speaker 2: he can really get insight information.
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Speaker 4: Territory and the party shadow well, Katie.
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Speaker 3: The other thing too is that of those four people
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Speaker 3: the four backbenches I mentioned, one's the Speaker, one's the
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Speaker 3: Deputy Speaker, and one's Chairman of the Publicus Committee. And
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Speaker 3: so the Mark Mornihan, sorry Mark Marks in the mix
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Speaker 3: too and he's the government whip. So those roles all
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Speaker 3: have to be filled. So if you take a speaker
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Speaker 3: or a Deputy Speaker out of the mix, then who
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Speaker 3: are you going to put into reply all the government?
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Speaker 1: They're all very good questions.
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Speaker 4: Chaos at all. Look, I think, just to be really clear,
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Speaker 4: it doesn't matter who you are and where you are
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Speaker 4: in the Territory labor Caucus. We have great members of
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Speaker 4: Parliament with the wealth of experience and knowledge right across
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Speaker 4: the board. Now, I know that Natasha is going to
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Speaker 4: be obviously talking with people over the weekend, and I
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Speaker 4: want to acknowledge that Nicole Maison has done a fantastic
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Speaker 4: job as the Police Minister. We've had very challenging circumstances
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Speaker 4: which she has been through a number of challenging circumstances
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Speaker 4: over her time and she's done a great job. You know,
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Speaker 4: when we look at who the ninth minister might be, well,
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Speaker 4: that's a decision for the caucus and we will come
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Speaker 4: out and announce who that is when that decision has
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Speaker 4: been made. But again, everyone in our caucus brings to
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Speaker 4: the caucus room a level of experience, knowledge and expertise.
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Speaker 4: So I'm really comfortable with whoever comes out as the
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Speaker 4: ninth minister.
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Speaker 2: Member for Blaine is going to bring him back under
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Speaker 2: the chickens wing and bring it.
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Speaker 5: They can.
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Speaker 1: I don't think they can. Honestly, I have been told
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Speaker 1: by people that live in Blaine that he is you know,
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Speaker 1: that he is a good active local member.
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Speaker 5: I did hear him.
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Speaker 1: I even heard him say though during Parliament this week
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Speaker 1: that crime was just something that you know that the
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Speaker 1: media speaks about to sell papers, which I thought, goodness me, mate,
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Speaker 1: you should say that to people.
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Speaker 5: I don't know what had.
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Speaker 1: Happened, But anyway, I actually think what's going to be
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Speaker 1: interesting and what is always interesting with the portfolio reshuffle
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Speaker 1: is many many years ago, as a lot of our
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Speaker 1: listeners will know, I worked for the then Housing Minister
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Speaker 1: within within the government, Rob Knight. Now at the time
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Speaker 1: he was managing the role out of the c hip program,
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Speaker 1: which you know, there were a lot of issues at
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Speaker 1: that time, and he was copying a lot of criticism,
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Speaker 1: but he was doing a good job.
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Speaker 5: You know, he was doing his best.
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Speaker 1: But it was one of those things where you know,
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Speaker 1: no matter what he did and what next step he took,
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Speaker 1: it had got to a point where the perception was
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Speaker 1: that somebody knew sort.
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Speaker 5: Of needed to go into that role.
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Speaker 1: And I think that that's where we're at a little
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Speaker 1: bit now with that police portfolio. It's tough and you know,
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Speaker 1: some will argue that Nicole Madison's done a great job
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Speaker 1: as the Minister.
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Speaker 5: For for that portfolio. Others will say that she hasn't.
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Speaker 1: But it's sort of reached that point where there does
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Speaker 1: appear to be so many issues, like you pointed out
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Speaker 1: Kesier with attrition and various other things that I just
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Speaker 1: don't know whether they actually whether you actually need a
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Speaker 1: bit of a stop gap.
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Speaker 5: There needs to be a bit of a change somebody
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Speaker 5: with you know, new ideas to step in.
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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe the Chief Minister natesha Files will do a
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Speaker 3: substantial makeupa All.
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Speaker 4: I say is we will, we will work through and
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Speaker 4: when the announce it's made of the new cabinet is
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Speaker 4: when people will know what changes have been made by
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Speaker 4: I mean Kesier. I know you you say that you're
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Speaker 4: pretty good at her calling things. What are you ready?
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Speaker 3: I think you're going to be chancy right, minister backbencher Chanzy, Well,
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Speaker 3: I think I think you'd be pretty good at most portfolios.
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Speaker 3: I think I would like you to stay as local
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Speaker 3: government because I think you've got a good handle on
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Speaker 3: what's required in the non urban settings or the non
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Speaker 3: municipalities like the Marrakai Douglas Dudy issues and Dundee for
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Speaker 3: that matter, and whether it's achievable or not achievable. But
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Speaker 3: you know, I think you're pretty good at showcasing the territory.
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Speaker 3: So I think tourism is a good fit. And I
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Speaker 3: think also the racing and gaming, because the racing and
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Speaker 3: game people underestimate the value of the equine industry in
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Speaker 3: the Northern Territory, and I think you're the kind of
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Speaker 3: person that would appreciate the value of the equine industry.
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Speaker 3: Now I'm talking not only racing, I'm talking all the
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Speaker 3: pole across people.
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Speaker 4: All the in the area and camp.
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Speaker 3: Draft and the Rodeo's you bundle the equine industry together,
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Speaker 3: and so maybe if you could take that suggestion with.
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Speaker 4: All three of us here. The three were all like
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Speaker 4: a bit of a gide.
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Speaker 3: A, Gideo, some of us do horses. I'm not sure
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Speaker 3: what you do.
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Speaker 1: Well, we will take a bit of a break before
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Speaker 1: we do.
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Speaker 4: Though.
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Speaker 1: Bill Yann had messaged through to say maybe you need
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Speaker 1: to throw one of them out, Katie or no sorry,
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Speaker 1: he said, maybe you need to call order if you
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Speaker 1: three get.
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Speaker 5: A bit too wild in here.
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Speaker 1: But also plenty of people listening to the show this morning,
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Speaker 1: including one of our very dear friends to the show,
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Speaker 1: stem Edwarods.
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Speaker 5: I know a lot of you will damn.
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Speaker 1: Stem's been quite crooked with COVID and he has been unwell.
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Speaker 1: So a big shout out to you stand we will
11:31
Speaker 1: take a bit of a break. You are listening to
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Speaker 1: Mix one oh four point nine three sixty. Well, it
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Speaker 1: has been a very busy week in Parliament and if
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Speaker 1: you've just joined us in the studio with me this
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Speaker 1: morning is Jared Mayley, Keisiopuric and Chancey Paik And well
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Speaker 1: there has been a lot happened. As I say, we
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Speaker 1: know that yesterday I believe fairly late in the evening
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Speaker 1: the Opposition attempted to block the government's extension of the
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Speaker 1: Chief Health Officers emergency powers in Parliament. That didn't happen,
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Speaker 1: though Jared got through obviously, no I didn't.
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Speaker 2: I note that to all the Opposition members spoke about
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Speaker 2: this and also the Independent, but only one of the
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Speaker 2: government Minister's Madison and then of course Natasha Files wrapped
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Speaker 2: on it. So it really goes to show that who
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Speaker 2: really supports that bill because this is important because now
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Speaker 2: it's going to happen. They're no longer going to be
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Speaker 2: an emergency but the chow is going to have this
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Speaker 2: unfettered power to be able to make any directions that
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Speaker 2: he or she whoever that person wants to be. But
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Speaker 2: what was really interesting as well, Kate, is that the
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Speaker 2: Labor Governments slipped in an amendment late last night saying
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Speaker 2: that validating the show direction for the mandate for two years,
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Speaker 2: so that retrospectively validated that legislation, which means that must
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Speaker 2: mean that they've got some sort of legal advice out
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Speaker 2: there that their mandate hasn't been legal for the last
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Speaker 2: two years, and maybe that's come from the Supreme Court challenge.
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Speaker 2: So at eleventh hour they've slipped it into saying retrospectively,
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Speaker 2: we're going to validate that law in writing to the
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Speaker 2: mandates for the last two years.
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Speaker 4: So that slipped in yesterday and we oppose that.
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Speaker 5: What does that mean?
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Speaker 2: That means that if someone's challenged that man Doug and
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Speaker 2: found to be illegal, now the government's now legislator saying
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Speaker 2: it's legal. So this is a really really big thing
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Speaker 2: and it's really import retrospective that they have done it.
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Speaker 2: And there's a whole lot there's a whole lot of
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Speaker 2: law that says you have to be very very careful
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Speaker 2: about enacting retrospective law because you're changing people's rights from previously,
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Speaker 2: from a year ago, two years ago. But the government
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Speaker 2: did this yesterday to make sure that their mandate law
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Speaker 2: has been validated, which is illegal. So it has to
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Speaker 2: show that there has to be some weak spots in
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Speaker 2: their case in the Supreme Court by the nt United Businesses,
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Speaker 2: and they've now fixed that. Instead of letting the court
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Speaker 2: do their thing and go through and find out whether
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Speaker 2: it's legal or not legal, they've changed the law retrospectively.
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Speaker 4: I mean, like I think, let's be very clear here.
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Speaker 4: What went through yesterday through past retrospective men by the
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Speaker 4: Territory Labor Government, all of our team was making sure
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Speaker 4: that we continue to build on keeping territory and safe.
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Speaker 4: Two years we have managed this health pandemic. We've done
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Speaker 4: a fantastic job. Will continue to put territorians first in
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Speaker 4: making sure that they are safe. Their safety comes first,
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Speaker 4: and we are not through the pandemic. As we move
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Speaker 4: to the stages of an endemic, we know that there
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Speaker 4: will be times where we may have to enact Chow
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Speaker 4: directions to keep territorians safe, and this legislation allows that
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Speaker 4: provision and it means that we can as well, with
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Speaker 4: the chow we can get, we can pull that restrictions
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Speaker 4: once we are through the issue.
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Speaker 2: Why you made requspect we go through stages, you had
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Speaker 2: to backdate.
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Speaker 4: You know, if we go through stages now where we
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Speaker 4: need to enact Chow directions for face masks or for
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Speaker 4: requirements in age care or hospitals or schools, we can
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Speaker 4: do that now under these provisions, making sure that we
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Speaker 4: keep people safe, and when the time comes to reverse that,
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Speaker 4: we can careful about fly.
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Speaker 1: One of those things that look I think for the
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Speaker 1: large majority of Territorians, they've sort of you know, they've
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Speaker 1: moved on to some degree. You know, they're either vaccinated
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Speaker 1: or they've made their decision and they've moved on to
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Speaker 1: some degree. But for some Territorians who have made the
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Speaker 1: choice to not get vaccinated, it's obviously, you know, it's
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Speaker 1: something that they're concerned about.
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Speaker 5: Kesia, what do you make of it? Sort of passing through.
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Speaker 3: Katie, I spoke about this, and I spoke against the legislation,
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Speaker 3: and I think put up some very good and valid
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Speaker 3: reasons why no one has actually explained it clearly and
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Speaker 3: properly to me and to my constituents, why why this
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Speaker 3: is needed. The other thing is the mandate for people
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Speaker 3: to be vaccinated to the employment. That's just got to go.
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Speaker 3: It is just ridiculous when you've got the bartender or
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Speaker 3: the baristo or whatever having to be vaccinated and an
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Speaker 3: unvaccinated person can still come in. An Australian person or
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Speaker 3: an overs person who only has to have two vaccinations
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Speaker 3: or two needles, they can go in and buy a
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Speaker 3: drink or coffee, and when you don't.
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Speaker 1: Have to be in other parts of Australia, I think
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Speaker 1: that that's the thing that's got a lot of people
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Speaker 1: quite you know, hot under the collar as well as
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Speaker 1: they're thinking, well, hang on a second. Mandates in other
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Speaker 1: locations have dropped yet Wa. But he's McGowan has full
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Speaker 1: on about it.
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Speaker 3: It's also labor in WA, so he's still got He's
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Speaker 3: also got these stupid mandate things. Now it is hurting business.
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Speaker 3: I mean we're crying out. There's two reasons I think
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Speaker 3: why we're not. We've got a shortage of various workers
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Speaker 3: or skilled people whatever. One is that people are not
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Speaker 3: coming in from overseas as they used to. And I
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Speaker 3: mean so much for this business about oh these overseas
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Speaker 3: people are tacking Aussie jobs.
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Speaker 4: Rubbish.
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Speaker 3: The odds people from overseas were filling jobs along with
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Speaker 3: Australians and territories filling jobs. So there's that reason. And
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Speaker 3: the other reason we've got people who aren't in the
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Speaker 3: workforce is because of the vaccination mandate. Now, I've had
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Speaker 3: had a company or a couple of companies come and
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Speaker 3: seeming about a particular issue and one of them is
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Speaker 3: a bitchmin company or lais bitchmen whatever, and they're crying
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Speaker 3: out for people to drive their trucks now they've got
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Speaker 3: three people sitting at home apparently or there was the
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Speaker 3: other business and they're still on the books. I don't
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Speaker 3: know the legalities of that. That's their business, but the
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Speaker 3: people there and they're not in that employment because they
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Speaker 3: don't want to be vaccinated. Now it's got to go,
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Speaker 3: because as you said, we've moved from the pandemic and
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Speaker 3: into an endemic stage and then to whatever the next
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Speaker 3: stage is and hopefully things will go well. That's why
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Speaker 3: we've got problems with our workforces, because we've got people
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Speaker 3: sitting at home or doing cashes on the side just
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Speaker 3: to keep the tool tiken over and you know they
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Speaker 3: buy their grocery. So this government's got to get rid
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Speaker 3: of that mandate. And it's all part of this package
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Speaker 3: and giving this chow person extra powers and as you're saying,
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Speaker 3: retrospective in regards to how it's applied, it's just not on.
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Speaker 3: And for businesses the Major Business Group to come out
17:41
Speaker 3: of write to everyone, they would have studied it carefully
17:43
Speaker 3: and impact on industry and business. And I can't speak
17:46
Speaker 3: for you two fellas, but I probably got up with
17:49
Speaker 3: about a dozen emails from various people in my lectured
17:52
Speaker 3: and elsewhere saying please vote against this, and I kept
17:55
Speaker 3: going back to all of them and saying I am
17:57
Speaker 3: voting against with it. And these are the reasons why to.
17:59
Speaker 2: See vote against because our policies we follow the best
18:02
Speaker 2: health advices. But the best health advice is now is
18:04
Speaker 2: in my view, is not to have a mandate because
18:06
Speaker 2: we need to get people back to work. And if
18:08
Speaker 2: there is health advice out there, like I said in
18:10
Speaker 2: Parliament yesterday, show territories, show me and show territories what
18:13
Speaker 2: the health advice is. And this legislation actually goes even
18:15
Speaker 2: further now the show doesn't have to give a detailed
18:18
Speaker 2: report as if a summary in two years time, the
18:21
Speaker 2: evidency out there will show to.
18:23
Speaker 4: Territory against that territory labor we voted for. We believe
18:27
Speaker 4: that we're basing our work on working with the chow.
18:30
Speaker 4: It's based on health advice and it's got in territory healths.
18:34
Speaker 4: And you know what we need to think about it
18:35
Speaker 4: is it's not about necessarily that individual that doesn't want
18:38
Speaker 4: to get vaccinated. What do we say to the families
18:41
Speaker 4: in age care facilities whose family members vaccinated already?
18:45
Speaker 2: We're there points is as.
18:49
Speaker 4: It's about a collective and it's about putting territorians first,
18:52
Speaker 4: so that people are not in positions where we're saying
18:55
Speaker 4: goodbye to loved ones because people are bringing the virus
18:58
Speaker 4: in expects respect.
19:03
Speaker 2: To explain why explain to territories white retrospective now for
19:06
Speaker 2: two years.
19:07
Speaker 4: The best way is to get vaccinated. We're proudly this
19:11
Speaker 4: is done. You had your opportunity to.
19:15
Speaker 2: At length about it, but you can't explain now why
19:17
Speaker 2: you made it retrospective.
19:19
Speaker 4: Is that right, chancing mate? You were in the chamber
19:21
Speaker 4: yesterday and I think the.
19:29
Speaker 1: It is there.
19:29
Speaker 5: Well, this is something that is incredibly important.
19:32
Speaker 1: It's not the only thing that obviously passed through Parliament
19:34
Speaker 1: or didn't pass through Parliament this week. We know the
19:37
Speaker 1: other bill that has indeed gone through is Alcohol and
19:40
Speaker 1: the Associations and Liquor Amendment Bill for twenty twenty two.
19:43
Speaker 1: It does mean that communities are now going to be
19:45
Speaker 1: able to choose their own approach two alcohol restrictions after
19:49
Speaker 1: the Commonwealth's Stronger Futures legislation expires now.
19:53
Speaker 5: It is something that.
19:53
Speaker 1: Drew extreme criticism from from a coalition of territory peak
19:59
Speaker 1: organizations for health justice and the community sector they're demanding
20:03
Speaker 1: better consultation for Aboriginal communities and a commitment to better
20:06
Speaker 1: processes from government. After that legislation passed during the week.
20:11
Speaker 1: I spoke to John Patterson on the show yesterday and
20:13
Speaker 1: he raised a number of concerns very passionately about the
20:18
Speaker 1: worries that they have got now for some of those
20:21
Speaker 1: remote Indigenous communities. Chancey, I know that you've got a
20:24
Speaker 1: number of remote Indigenous communities in your electric Keyser, I think,
20:27
Speaker 1: have you got any You've got something you do.
20:29
Speaker 3: Actually, I have the Acacialarochia people down by us Road
20:32
Speaker 3: down a Casha way, of course, and of course some
20:34
Speaker 3: have to do station people, and you know, there's just
20:37
Speaker 3: other people that are there. But you know, Katie, I
20:39
Speaker 3: spoke to quite a few people around the traps in
20:41
Speaker 3: my area, and I get a bit cranky with experts
20:48
Speaker 3: telling And I'm not taking away from the fact that
20:49
Speaker 3: these people are experts in their field of health and
20:52
Speaker 3: health care, but a lot of people are getting fed
20:54
Speaker 3: up with experts telling Aboriginal people in remote communities or
20:59
Speaker 3: regional communities or townships how they should run their lives.
21:02
Speaker 4: Now.
21:03
Speaker 3: I don't subscribe to the notion that the rivers of
21:07
Speaker 3: grog are going to start to flow into these various communities.
21:10
Speaker 3: For starters, as best I understand a chance, he might
21:13
Speaker 3: be able to explain it better than I, as best
21:15
Speaker 3: I understand. The communities wherever they are, will still have
21:18
Speaker 3: the option under territory legislation to be a dry community,
21:21
Speaker 3: and that's what I call it, a dry community, and
21:22
Speaker 3: that's been around for yoks. We still also have various
21:26
Speaker 3: communities and townships having licensed clubs whatever you call it,
21:31
Speaker 3: and they've got their various levels of consumption or the
21:34
Speaker 3: kind of beer you sell or whatever you know. So
21:36
Speaker 3: I think Peppinadi is one of those places that's got that.
21:39
Speaker 3: And I think the tee Wee's have got one calcarini,
21:41
Speaker 3: you know. So they already have a licensed premises and
21:44
Speaker 3: they're managing their people and the substance and whatever. Now
21:48
Speaker 3: if it means that people then can buy their alcohol
21:51
Speaker 3: in town and go back to their community, I don't
21:54
Speaker 3: know that's correct. But there is still discrimination, like a
21:57
Speaker 3: referenced in Parliament of Fellow. I know a friend in
21:59
Speaker 3: who in Baranga. Now he can't buy alcohol in Catherine
22:03
Speaker 3: and take it home to Baranga because he's black and
22:06
Speaker 3: he can't do this, and he can't do that, and
22:08
Speaker 3: if he does get caught doing it, he'll get put
22:10
Speaker 3: on the BDR. So we won't be able to get
22:11
Speaker 3: any takeaway alcohol. He's a normal man, he's got family,
22:14
Speaker 3: he pays taxes, he's fully gainfully employed, not at Barunga.
22:18
Speaker 3: But he's a five fox kind of worker. Now why
22:21
Speaker 3: is he a normal Territorian not being able to go
22:24
Speaker 3: to a bottle shop and buy booze the same as
22:26
Speaker 3: I do.
22:28
Speaker 5: I don't know what the answer is to that.
22:30
Speaker 3: I accept and knowledge and we all do the evils
22:33
Speaker 3: and the demons in alcohol, but come on, we're not special.
22:36
Speaker 3: This is across our country, in factors across the world.
22:39
Speaker 3: I get it that it's rampant in a lot of
22:41
Speaker 3: our Aboriginal communities and it creates the social upheaval and disagres.
22:45
Speaker 3: Prohibition doesn't work. I would like to have great respect
22:49
Speaker 3: for the communities themselves in the associations or counsels or shows,
22:53
Speaker 3: to let them manage.
22:54
Speaker 1: Their in some situations where some people are sort of
22:59
Speaker 1: in like where maybe some of the women in the
23:02
Speaker 1: communities don't want alcohol, but they're you know that they're there.
23:07
Speaker 1: I don't know what the right word is bulldozed over
23:09
Speaker 1: by the blokes and some of the leaders and it
23:11
Speaker 1: goes ahead or say that.
23:13
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say that, And I think, you know, it
23:16
Speaker 4: should be no different to.
23:18
Speaker 3: Yes, there should be the support services there if there
23:20
Speaker 3: is a problem or whatever, you know whatever, maybe you know,
23:23
Speaker 3: the healthcare, the age care, you know, making sure children
23:26
Speaker 3: get the right nutrition, making sure they go to school,
23:28
Speaker 3: like any society like even have you do you know,
23:30
Speaker 3: Be's Creek got to make sure kids go to school.
23:33
Speaker 3: So this is the feedback I get from people. I accept,
23:37
Speaker 3: and I know John Patterson. I know he does an
23:39
Speaker 3: exceptional job and he really does believe in what he
23:41
Speaker 3: wants to do and help people.
23:43
Speaker 5: It's not just him though, you know police Association. It's
23:46
Speaker 5: also consultation.
23:50
Speaker 4: This is out of the blue.
23:55
Speaker 2: Being in place, and it's going to happen in thirty
23:57
Speaker 2: June or sixteen July for ten years. So really these
24:00
Speaker 2: were here and I see a peace, support local decision making.
24:02
Speaker 2: We support completely what Genese is saying and keeps is
24:05
Speaker 2: saying about that. But the problem here is the lack
24:06
Speaker 2: of consultation because if these become wet communities, when you
24:10
Speaker 2: spoke about the health services and the police. They need
24:13
Speaker 2: to be ready for that because there are going to
24:14
Speaker 2: be some issues in relation to people drinking and maybe
24:16
Speaker 2: there's going to be some more violence or the people's
24:18
Speaker 2: need some more some more help in relation to the
24:20
Speaker 2: social side of it, and that hasn't been put in place,
24:23
Speaker 2: and it could have been put in place, but it
24:24
Speaker 2: hasn't because this government through because they nothing at all
24:29
Speaker 2: and they did nothing. But this is like, this is
24:31
Speaker 2: in t legislation and this Labor government could have gone
24:34
Speaker 2: to the feats and negotiated. So they we're going to happen.
24:40
Speaker 6: Here.
24:40
Speaker 4: That's the issue here. They this is we have introduced
24:45
Speaker 4: territory legislation in the Amendment Liquor Amendment built because the
24:51
Speaker 4: Commonwealth legislation, that is the stronger futures legislation is expiring
24:55
Speaker 4: on the sixteenth of July and they have had nine
24:58
Speaker 4: years to work on a plan to transition and they
25:01
Speaker 4: have failed to do so they're walking away for the
25:04
Speaker 4: eleventh hour. It's Commonwealth if thee Yeah, but if you
25:09
Speaker 4: guys are so worried about it, you can get on
25:11
Speaker 4: the phone right now, ring Scott Morrison and ken Wright
25:14
Speaker 4: and ask them to ex plans. It's commonwealth. I mean, look,
25:18
Speaker 4: put it this way, Katie. I am an Aboriginal person.
25:21
Speaker 4: My family are original. They live in remote communities. We
25:24
Speaker 4: have to get to a point where people in remote
25:27
Speaker 4: communities are able to make decisions about their lives, for
25:29
Speaker 4: their lives and not have big brothers standing over them.
25:33
Speaker 4: And you know what, I love these peaks. They do
25:35
Speaker 4: a great job. They advocate hard, but it's not the
25:38
Speaker 4: role of peaks to determine the rights of remote people.
25:41
Speaker 4: And I look at it like this, This is about
25:43
Speaker 4: equality and equity. Correct everyone here, like Katie, I like
25:47
Speaker 4: a drink. I like to go home and crack a can,
25:49
Speaker 4: or I'm sure keep a deal, or you do as well.
25:53
Speaker 4: Why someone, why should a remote person who works hard
25:57
Speaker 4: for a counsel or the school or the just normal
25:59
Speaker 4: territory to normal to try and not be awarded that
26:01
Speaker 4: same opportunity. Now, there are provisions that like there are
26:05
Speaker 4: in our urban centers. If someone wants a dry house
26:08
Speaker 4: under this new legislation, they can apply through housing to
26:11
Speaker 4: have their house marked as a dry premises. And we know, look, absolutely,
26:15
Speaker 4: we are under no illusion that we will be working
26:19
Speaker 4: as we reach that deadline of having manning up our services,
26:24
Speaker 4: making sure that that footprint is covered to get out
26:27
Speaker 4: there and do it. But I mean one thing is
26:29
Speaker 4: really important. Anyone who believes in this utopian view of
26:33
Speaker 4: the world that alcohol is not already in these areas
26:37
Speaker 4: is gammon, right, So they are gammon because alcohol is
26:41
Speaker 4: there already. People are drinking already. And what we know
26:45
Speaker 4: is is when you do it this way, Katie. I
26:48
Speaker 4: mean you see on Facebook now anyone looking for PS
26:51
Speaker 4: or got PS. Now, I thought that was a PlayStation,
26:54
Speaker 4: but it's not. It's private sale and can just find
26:57
Speaker 4: it online. It's online that they're doing it because of
26:59
Speaker 4: the the way in which people are penalized and not
27:03
Speaker 4: able to buy grog to take back and drink in
27:06
Speaker 4: that friend of Baranga. Yeah exactly, Keisi, You're on the money.
27:09
Speaker 2: But this is going to live with their alcohol into
27:11
Speaker 2: those communities, there's no doubt about. And these communities have
27:13
Speaker 2: been dry for ten or fifteen years. But where the
27:15
Speaker 2: living with alcohol programs in those communities which have been
27:18
Speaker 2: dry for a long long time. When we all know
27:20
Speaker 2: right across the media in Darwin, there's all sorts of
27:23
Speaker 2: living with alcohol and be careful about it. That program
27:26
Speaker 2: and those messages are sent out through the media in
27:28
Speaker 2: Darwen and the other regions. But then the community that
27:30
Speaker 2: hasn't been dry for ten years, people haven't focused those
27:33
Speaker 2: living with our whole programs in that community, and now
27:35
Speaker 2: in one month's time there's going to be alcohol.
27:38
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if I agree fully with that, Jared,
27:40
Speaker 3: because if the community has been dry for the last
27:41
Speaker 3: ten years and just operating like any old little township,
27:44
Speaker 3: why would alcohol suddenly go into that community Because the
27:47
Speaker 3: people who are living in that community are living without alcohol, probably,
27:51
Speaker 3: I would assume quite comfortably. And if there are some
27:53
Speaker 3: people from that community who are in the main centers
27:57
Speaker 3: like Analla Springs or a Tenancree and then want to
27:59
Speaker 3: go home because they know they can drink at home, well,
28:02
Speaker 3: then surely that means the community and the elders and
28:05
Speaker 3: the mums and the dads or grandpas can then help
28:08
Speaker 3: that person's they've got a problem with alcohol.
28:11
Speaker 2: That's an idea.
28:11
Speaker 4: Well, I agree, but I'm not sure that how we
28:13
Speaker 4: important thing are these rivers that everyone's using to scare Manger.
28:18
Speaker 4: They've already been running. They've been running for ten years
28:20
Speaker 4: because people have been drinking already in these places, and
28:23
Speaker 4: there have been forty alcohol management plans that have sat
28:26
Speaker 4: on the Commonwealth's desk for nine years for these individual
28:29
Speaker 4: communities to manage alcohol. Let's not deny that. But when
28:33
Speaker 4: this expires on the sixteenth of July, and over one
28:38
Speaker 4: hundred communities will revert back to alcohol restricted areas as
28:41
Speaker 4: they were with legislation two thousand under anti legislation. So
28:45
Speaker 4: a place like like whatever, or one of those places
28:50
Speaker 4: they were already dry, they will simply just flip back
28:52
Speaker 4: over to what they were before two thousand and.
28:55
Speaker 1: Look, we are going to have to take a very
28:56
Speaker 1: short break. We are going to have to take a
28:58
Speaker 1: quick break before we do. A couple of messages coming through.
29:01
Speaker 1: I've got one here that says, Hi, Katie, I think
29:05
Speaker 1: that's evil all for police and families, for Nicole Madison. Sorry,
29:10
Speaker 1: and let me start that again, evil all of for
29:12
Speaker 1: police and families, Nicole Madison, for Treasurer and tourism. Chancey
29:17
Speaker 1: is doing a good job. Split the rest with the
29:19
Speaker 1: other members based on their strengths and bring in Joel Bowden.
29:23
Speaker 1: That one there from mal from the Springs. One here
29:26
Speaker 1: that says, let's get Kesier back in the speaker's chair.
29:29
Speaker 1: She's amazing, by the way, still not keasy as mummy.
29:37
Speaker 5: We will take a very short break. You are listening
29:39
Speaker 5: to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.
29:41
Speaker 1: You are listening to the Week that was and in
29:43
Speaker 1: the studio this morning Jared Maylee, Kezier Puric and Chancey Paig.
29:47
Speaker 1: Now we know that there is always crime issues that
29:51
Speaker 1: we speak about on this shows. It's well, you can't
29:53
Speaker 1: get around it, unfortunately. And overnight a teenager is being
29:57
Speaker 1: accused of going on a violent crime spree throughout Darwin.
30:00
Speaker 1: According to police, a sixteen year old threatened staff at
30:02
Speaker 1: a restaurant in the Annula shopping Center with a broken
30:05
Speaker 1: glass bottle, demanding cash. After being refused, the alleged defender
30:09
Speaker 1: traveled to the Marara Sports Stadium, where he assaulted a
30:11
Speaker 1: person and damaged cars. He then reportedly moved on to
30:15
Speaker 1: Hungry Jackson Casurina, allegedly attempting to forcibly steal a man's
30:19
Speaker 1: car before slapping another customer and stealing his food. Police
30:23
Speaker 1: say that they arrested that teenager and at Royal at
30:28
Speaker 1: the Hospital in a drug affected state. So that is
30:31
Speaker 1: one incident. Obviously that's happened to overnight. Your head down
30:35
Speaker 1: to Alice Springs now, we know that throughout the week.
30:38
Speaker 1: In a special meeting this week, the Alice Springs Council
30:42
Speaker 1: declared the crime crisis in the town at an emergency
30:46
Speaker 1: level and resolved to call on the Northern Territory.
30:48
Speaker 5: Government for a response.
30:50
Speaker 1: I spoke to Matt Patterson, the mayor, yesterday, expecting to
30:54
Speaker 1: just speak about that meeting, and he then told me
30:57
Speaker 1: that the aquatic center there and Alice Springs had stained
31:00
Speaker 1: tens of thousands of dollars worth of damage after being
31:03
Speaker 1: smashed up, cash registers thrown in the pool. As I
31:06
Speaker 1: understand it, the windows smashed. She'd sent through some photos
31:09
Speaker 1: that looked bloody terrible. We're expecting those crime statistics to
31:13
Speaker 1: be released today at midday. I know that Channel nine
31:16
Speaker 1: did have a bit of a preview of them, and
31:19
Speaker 1: they're not looking good.
31:20
Speaker 5: You know.
31:21
Speaker 1: I think we are in a really tough state around
31:25
Speaker 1: the place at the moment when it comes to crime.
31:27
Speaker 1: Like I say, it's undeniable, and gee, you know, I
31:30
Speaker 1: feel for us up here in the top end, but
31:32
Speaker 1: I really feel for the people of Alice at the
31:34
Speaker 1: moment too. It sounds like they're at their wits end.
31:38
Speaker 3: I wonder, I guess, is it the same group of
31:43
Speaker 3: people young in between very young, or is it more
31:47
Speaker 3: across the board chancey, Like, do the police know it's
31:50
Speaker 3: a cohort of say ten families or twenty youth or whatever,
31:54
Speaker 3: or is it just a bit of everything, you know,
31:55
Speaker 3: adults and young people. And from what I read and
31:58
Speaker 3: what I hear, it seems to be you know, the
32:01
Speaker 3: wrecking of you know, glass in shops and restaurants, and
32:04
Speaker 3: then obviously breaking to homes trying to steal other gog
32:07
Speaker 3: or stuff they can sell. But it sounds like the
32:10
Speaker 3: aquatic center. It's just gratuitous vandalism and violence, you know,
32:13
Speaker 3: for no apparent reason, Like they haven't been offended or
32:17
Speaker 3: heard or locked out of anywhere. They just want to
32:19
Speaker 3: trash the joint. And were they affected by alcohol and drugs? Probably?
32:24
Speaker 3: You know, are there enough resources like the police to
32:27
Speaker 3: sort of catch them in the act and and then
32:28
Speaker 3: to apprehend them. But as we know, when police do
32:32
Speaker 3: do that and they go into the system, they get
32:34
Speaker 3: chucked out on bail and then reoffend, you know. So
32:37
Speaker 3: the one thing I agree i'llgree with well a few things,
32:38
Speaker 3: but one of the things I do agree with the
32:40
Speaker 3: COLP is to have changes to the Bail Act and
32:42
Speaker 3: to bring youth justice back into the Correction.
32:44
Speaker 4: I'm just going to two things to try and fixate.
32:47
Speaker 2: Is trying to make sure there's presumption against bail, so
32:50
Speaker 2: if you do a crime or that the presumption is
32:52
Speaker 2: against so you can still get bail, but you have
32:53
Speaker 2: to the starting point is that you don't get bail.
32:55
Speaker 2: So there may be circumstances off the offender or the
32:57
Speaker 2: offense where you can get bail, but at the moment
33:00
Speaker 2: something who is they get bail.
33:01
Speaker 3: We want to change it.
33:02
Speaker 2: And they're also trying to make sure that the correction
33:06
Speaker 2: takes over looking after these killed because.
33:07
Speaker 4: You're right at the revolving door they go in and
33:09
Speaker 4: go out.
33:10
Speaker 2: I think there's a story where one child was taken
33:12
Speaker 2: home ten or twenty times tonight in relation to it,
33:15
Speaker 2: and it's just something needs to happen that the COORP
33:18
Speaker 2: have tried to do that the Labor government has voted
33:20
Speaker 2: down our legislation and then nothing in place to fix it.
33:23
Speaker 1: It's really really well, seriously, is the new Chief Minister
33:28
Speaker 1: taking this. I mean, are you like she's meant to
33:30
Speaker 1: be down in Alice Springs next week, isn't she? So
33:32
Speaker 1: you're taking her down to Alice Springs. You know, for you,
33:36
Speaker 1: someone who's grown up in Alice Springs, how badly do
33:40
Speaker 1: you want this issue?
33:41
Speaker 4: Soughted? Oh, look, I think that Natasha Files, our new
33:45
Speaker 4: chief Minister, is absolutely going to be very well received
33:49
Speaker 4: in Alice Springs. I mean, I've known Natasha for a
33:52
Speaker 4: long time and she's made the commitment to get down there,
33:54
Speaker 4: and she's going to be down there regularly. I know
33:56
Speaker 4: she's talking with a number of people during the week.
33:59
Speaker 4: Next week she's down there. And Natasha takes the approach
34:02
Speaker 4: of you know, there's not one size fits all across
34:06
Speaker 4: the territory, particularly the issues that are happening around and
34:10
Speaker 4: in Alice Springs, the challenges that we have, you know,
34:13
Speaker 4: knowing that we need to actually work with the local
34:15
Speaker 4: community because they do have a number of ideas and suggestions.
34:19
Speaker 4: And you know, Alice is a great town. I love
34:21
Speaker 4: that town. That's my home and I'll always be there,
34:25
Speaker 4: and lots of people in the community they want to help,
34:27
Speaker 4: they want to be part of the solution and Natasha
34:30
Speaker 4: is very much a person who wants to bring people
34:33
Speaker 4: in and be involved. Now we know that they're not
34:35
Speaker 4: going to be able to waive a magic one tomorrow,
34:38
Speaker 4: but we know that just local solutions, tailoring those solutions
34:42
Speaker 4: to each part of the community is going to be
34:45
Speaker 4: really important. But make it be clear what has happened
34:49
Speaker 4: at the Aquatic center's bloody awful. We have Strikeforce Viper,
34:53
Speaker 4: we have the police. The police are as frustrated as
34:57
Speaker 4: everyone in the community, and we need to continue to
34:59
Speaker 4: work together and look at that. But also Tash going
35:02
Speaker 4: down next week looking at it. Tash will act. That
35:06
Speaker 4: is one thing I'll absolutely say about Natasha is she
35:09
Speaker 4: has always give people the time of day and she
35:12
Speaker 4: acts on the information that she's Is there a situation?
35:15
Speaker 5: Was there a situation previously?
35:17
Speaker 1: And I'm not expecting you to, you know, to have
35:19
Speaker 1: a crack at the former chief minister, but was it
35:21
Speaker 1: a bit of a nothing to see here?
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Speaker 3: Definitely I got the impression there's nothing to see in
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Speaker 3: the sand.
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Speaker 2: Because remember the CPS legislation also was that repeat offenders
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Speaker 2: do it because I think you're not going to get caught,
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Speaker 2: so you need to make sure that they get a
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Speaker 2: better chance to get in court. And part of our
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Speaker 2: legislation with the Labor government voted down that if you
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Speaker 2: do get bail, you had to ankle bracelet people.
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Speaker 4: Knew where they were. That stopped Michael getting court caked.
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Speaker 4: You need to make sure is that territory boy through
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Speaker 4: and true. And look, we have invested a significant amount
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Speaker 4: in this area and we will continue to invest in
35:56
Speaker 4: these areas. And you know this issue is perpetuated by
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Speaker 4: number of other factors. Now I'm not saying that that
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Speaker 4: behavior is in any way, shape or form acceptable, but
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Speaker 4: when we look at what people are breaking in for
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Speaker 4: and why they're breaking in, there's a whole range of
36:10
Speaker 4: things elements here. You know, there are elements of poverty,
36:14
Speaker 4: there are elements of people with lack of engagement and services.
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Speaker 4: But you know, I mean you only have to look
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Speaker 4: at as well getting people to now start to look
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Speaker 4: at TikTok and those types of things, because you see
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Speaker 4: young kids all well getting a kick off each other and.
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Speaker 1: In wa So what they've recently done. I was reading
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Speaker 1: in the Australian newspaper in Western Australia they've essentially or
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Speaker 1: they're looking to introduce if you know, if somebody commits
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Speaker 1: a crime and then they're sharing that vision on TikTok,
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Speaker 1: my understanding is that they're I will have to go
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Speaker 1: back and double check what the punishment is, but they
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Speaker 1: are looking at those kinds of things and the impact
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Speaker 1: that it's having.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how big an impact it has for
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Speaker 1: us here in the Northern Territory. But what concerns me,
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Speaker 1: and you know, even last week we've seen there was
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Speaker 1: a situation where it was little kids, you know, under
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Speaker 1: the age of twelve who'd gone about broken breaking windows
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Speaker 1: all around Alice Springs. You know, I know that the
37:05
Speaker 1: really obvious question is where's their parents now? If their
37:07
Speaker 1: parents aren't there keeping eye on them, or if their
37:10
Speaker 1: families not, where are the wrap around.
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Speaker 5: Services is my big question?
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Speaker 1: Or where is the opportunity for them to be to
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Speaker 1: drop in center or be somewhere that keeps them safe,
37:18
Speaker 1: because no matter how you look at it, it is
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Speaker 1: not okay for kids of that age to be out
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Speaker 1: on the street. You know, earlier this week we have
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Speaker 1: one of our beautiful listeners. Cars get stolen in the
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Speaker 1: Northern suburbs. You know, then it got found the next day.
37:31
Speaker 1: A twelve year old was arrested behind the wheel of
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Speaker 1: driven down an embankment. That is a danger to that kid.
37:37
Speaker 1: You know, where's the duty of care from whether if
37:40
Speaker 1: it's you know, if that child is not in the
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Speaker 1: care of their parents, then we are getting it really wrong.
37:46
Speaker 2: Because them it needs a bipartisan approach. And I know
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Speaker 2: the CLP put up and so Lect committee to try
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Speaker 2: and deal with this, and I know the Labor government
37:52
Speaker 2: knocked that down because this is beyond politics. This is
37:55
Speaker 2: about people's safety and something needs to happen. And I
37:58
Speaker 2: know chances said they'll put all this money in to it.
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Speaker 2: Well it hasn't worked because the crime rates have gone up.
38:02
Speaker 2: And remember Labor government being in power for seventy in
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Speaker 2: our last twenty one years, so their policies.
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Speaker 4: Need to do they have to be many consecutive years.
38:15
Speaker 4: Theat six years we.
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Speaker 5: Are to take that, we're going to have to take
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Speaker 5: a very short break.
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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four point nine.
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Speaker 1: When we come back, I'm keen to talk about the
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Speaker 1: federal election. Well, you have been listening to the Week
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Speaker 1: that wasn't in the studio. If you've just joined it,
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Speaker 1: joined us. Chancey Paike Keesy, Apurican, Jered Maylee. Now we
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Speaker 1: know the federal election is this weekend. All eyes are
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Speaker 1: going to be on the federal election tomorrow night. Well,
38:39
Speaker 1: for those political nerves of us, we might be sitting
38:41
Speaker 1: and watching to see exactly how it rolls out.
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Speaker 5: Others have told me throughout the week they'd rather put
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Speaker 5: needles in their eyes.
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Speaker 3: Look at it.
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Speaker 5: It's going to be interesting, Katie.
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Speaker 3: The one thing I'll say is, I mean everyone does polling.
38:56
Speaker 3: Labor parties do it, others do it. You know, newspapers
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Speaker 3: do it. Polls are an in Decatur. They're not hard
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Speaker 3: and fast. I know, they're well crafted. They're well structured
39:05
Speaker 3: to allow for people who know muck around with it
39:08
Speaker 3: and tell FIBs, you know, yes, I'm going to vote this,
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Speaker 3: when really they're not. They allow for that, you know,
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Speaker 3: in their methodology. But I'm not convinced in my own mind.
39:18
Speaker 3: I know there's this big issue with these TiAl independent
39:20
Speaker 3: candidates and how are they really independent and all that
39:22
Speaker 3: sort of stuff, both sides of the major parties. But
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Speaker 3: what has been strong up here as well as elsewhere
39:29
Speaker 3: that I've observed is the dissatisfaction with major parties. Now
39:33
Speaker 3: why that's come about in our society and within our culture,
39:36
Speaker 3: I'm not one hundred percent sure, but there does seem
39:39
Speaker 3: to be a strong dissatisfaction level with major parties. Maybe
39:42
Speaker 3: it's the way they go about their business or the
39:44
Speaker 3: style of campaign we have here in this country versus
39:46
Speaker 3: perhaps what goes on in other countries like Plants or America.
39:50
Speaker 3: So according to my book is they're not going to
39:54
Speaker 3: call the books. They to call the election until they
39:58
Speaker 3: say about ten o'clock. Now that's unusual, right, Normally, normally
40:01
Speaker 3: you get a few, particularly with those bell weather seats
40:04
Speaker 3: as we know in Anaro Bass down in Tasmania, and
40:06
Speaker 3: there's probably a few others around the country. The election
40:09
Speaker 3: is usually known before the w A poles have closed.
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Speaker 4: Almost Yeah, so that's going to be tight, they're predicting
40:16
Speaker 4: it's going to be.
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Speaker 3: It's going to be tight because Labour has to pick
40:19
Speaker 3: up obviously a lot more seats in Queensland. I'm not
40:22
Speaker 3: sure they're going to be that successful there because you've
40:24
Speaker 3: got the strong cat of movements and One Nation are
40:26
Speaker 3: strong in Queensland as well as top of northern New
40:29
Speaker 3: South Wales w A. I think they're going to lose
40:32
Speaker 3: a few liberal seats over there, either to labor or
40:35
Speaker 3: to perhaps the till kind of candidates, because that Simon
40:39
Speaker 3: Holmes the court. He has thrown a lot of money,
40:42
Speaker 3: like we're talking serious money, you know, given his background,
40:45
Speaker 3: in his family's background. So you say, oh, does that
40:48
Speaker 3: that influence people? Well, yes, it can. You know, if
40:51
Speaker 3: you see a message time and time again, you know,
40:54
Speaker 3: after about the third time, it starts to resonate in
40:56
Speaker 3: your thinking. And if you people, people shy away from
40:59
Speaker 3: the negative. I think that's a given. But if you
41:02
Speaker 3: get a strong message that this is what's going to happen,
41:04
Speaker 3: then people start to believe it. So, I mean, I've
41:07
Speaker 3: listened to some of the promises of both campaigns and clearly,
41:10
Speaker 3: you know, Scott Morrison and the Coalition go down the
41:13
Speaker 3: economy and the stronger common route, and the labor people
41:16
Speaker 3: tend to go down the more social route. But they're
41:18
Speaker 3: both important, you know, and I think you know sometimes
41:21
Speaker 3: sometimes I say to people, really, in the great scheme
41:24
Speaker 3: of things, our major parties are very similar, you know,
41:27
Speaker 3: we don't have that complete fracture like you get in
41:30
Speaker 3: some countries.
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Speaker 4: Around I mean, Australia is becoming more aligned with that
41:35
Speaker 4: middle gram, but it's becoming more obsessed in some degree
41:38
Speaker 4: with American politics, where we don't run presidential campaigns. We
41:42
Speaker 4: run based on parties, values, philosophies, like that's where we
41:45
Speaker 4: need to be. But people are getting.
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Speaker 2: This election is going to be won and lost on
41:51
Speaker 2: the preferences. There will be this you know, vote to
41:54
Speaker 2: this independence, but it comes back down to the preferences.
41:56
Speaker 2: So you're going to make sure that when you do
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Speaker 2: your vote, you vote who have you want to number one?
42:00
Speaker 2: But your preferences are important. You need to make sure
42:03
Speaker 2: that you think about that. And it goes down to
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Speaker 2: your major party, whether you're going a liberal or Labor
42:07
Speaker 2: or Liberal Democrats or whoever you want to vote for.
42:09
Speaker 2: But if you're going to have the protest vote, great,
42:11
Speaker 2: you know that it's your choice, but make sure you
42:13
Speaker 2: think about your preferences. And we say put liberal sectors
42:16
Speaker 2: and yeah, but it's up to you, of course, to you.
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Speaker 4: I mean, and and Jared knows, I mean, life will
42:21
Speaker 4: be easy under Alban easy. He always does better under Labor.
42:31
Speaker 3: I mean.
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Speaker 1: Today, well, I think we know who Chelsey is tipping.
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Speaker 1: Definitely the Labor Party.
42:42
Speaker 5: I'm not easier.
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Speaker 3: You think it's going to go, I'm still going to
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Speaker 3: go with the coalition. How close it is, I don't know,
42:49
Speaker 3: because I know, I don't know. It's crazy. I've made
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Speaker 3: them youngs ago. But people do make up their mind
42:54
Speaker 3: on the dates.
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Speaker 5: For whatever reason. Are you pretty well on election?
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Speaker 4: Voter vote on the day it's the.
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Speaker 5: It's so important democratic sausage.
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Speaker 4: Democracy sausage. I mean, you know and kesy, there ain't
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Speaker 4: no party like the Labor paper.
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Speaker 3: Well, excuse me, I'm going to help. I want to
43:16
Speaker 3: those hound springs fire is out there with my sausage.
43:19
Speaker 3: Not only will I be upset, and my mother will
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Speaker 3: be upset. She wants her election sausage.
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Speaker 5: Sage all right, trying to go never don't intend to.
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Speaker 3: Just tastes like lamb.
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Speaker 4: You know, three rule members here, so I reckon we
43:41
Speaker 4: could bring a goat in one.
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Speaker 1: Actually be fun. I've been told it's a lot of fun.
43:47
Speaker 1: He's going out pig hunting actually with Jered Mayley. I've
43:49
Speaker 1: been told that a lot of fun.
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Speaker 4: Can we do a week? All go out there and
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Speaker 4: do it day of a bull catching there on that night.
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Speaker 6: We better in the morning thank you all so very
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Speaker 6: much for your time today. Kisi E Peric just one
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Speaker 6: one word of advice to territorianes. Remember being a good territories.
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Speaker 6: Vote early and often.
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Speaker 2: You're thinking about your preferences. It's going to be one
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Speaker 2: and lost on purpose.
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Speaker 3: You got a sister who's not in the territory, so
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Speaker 3: I'm going to vote for her as well.
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Speaker 1: For you.
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Speaker 5: Thank you all so much for your time this morning.
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Speaker 5: You are listening to the week that was. It is
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