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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 6-16-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 2: to that conversation, and you know, there's plenty of meat
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Speaker 2: on the bone with the World Cup with basketball. But
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Speaker 2: the biggest story in sports today has been a story
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Speaker 2: that's been circulating around and been really kind of a
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Speaker 2: complicated thing to navigate for college sports. In a very
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Speaker 2: complicated time in college sports. This was the conundrum that
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Speaker 2: I think really started to shake and break the system
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Speaker 2: in ways that a lot of people never expected. Brandon
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Speaker 2: Soresby Cincinnati transfer well Indiana transfers to Cincinnati, has a
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Speaker 2: really excellent showing as a quarterback for Cincinnati. Top free
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Speaker 2: agent quarterback on the market this past offseason, ends up
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Speaker 2: agreeing to what is reported to be four or five
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Speaker 2: million dollars deal to go play for Texas Tech. And
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Speaker 2: then the gambling stuff comes through, and suddenly it all
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Speaker 2: turns on its head.
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Speaker 1: He gets an injunction.
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Speaker 2: He's well, first he's ruled in eligible, then he gets
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Speaker 2: an injunction saying he's eligible, and then the lawsuits that
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Speaker 2: we were talking about, the convoluted web being all tangled
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Speaker 2: up yesterday and suddenly, magically, to my great relief, we
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Speaker 2: don't have to worry about it anymore. Brendan Soorsby, Jeff Kessler,
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Speaker 2: who attorney everyone involved, has put out their new statements. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: we're not gonna do it. We're not gonna challenge this,
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Speaker 2: we're not gonna fight this. We're not gonna go down
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Speaker 2: the road of federal appeals, We're not gonna go down
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Speaker 2: the road of billable hours. We're just gonna say, all right,
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Speaker 2: it's time to accept the fact that my behavior.
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Speaker 1: Brendan Sorosby's behavior.
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Speaker 2: Disqualifies him from competing in Division I college football this fall.
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Speaker 2: The expectation is he is going to declare for the
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Speaker 2: NFL Supplemental Draft. He's got about a week left to
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Speaker 2: do that, six days to be exact left to do that,
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Speaker 2: and it seems like, according to all these statements, the
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Speaker 2: conclusion was, Yeah, we're just not gonna have enough time
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Speaker 2: to make an informed decision before that deadline, we won't
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Speaker 2: have any results on the legal ease, on the appeals
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Speaker 2: of the appeals, and so eventually everyone just had to
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Speaker 2: kind of throw their hands up. Cody Campbell has made
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Speaker 2: himself known in the world of college sports in recent
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Speaker 2: years as a billionaire Texas Tech football alum who is
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Speaker 2: trying to put his athletic department and his football team,
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Speaker 2: especially on the cutting edge, at the forefront of all
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Speaker 2: this nil stuff. And he released this really long statement,
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Speaker 2: what's the cool the cool kids said TLDR too long,
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Speaker 2: didn't read.
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Speaker 1: It's just like endless, It's like this huge thing.
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Speaker 2: But in there there's a key line where he says
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Speaker 2: Brendan Soresby will be dripped of his opportunity to compete
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Speaker 2: at the highest level of college athletics. And therein lies
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Speaker 2: the entire rub. There in lies the entire problem the
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Speaker 2: rest of college football, the rest of sports in general
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Speaker 2: had with this whole debate. In the first place, Cody
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Speaker 2: Campbell and by extension, Texas Tech and Brendon Sorosby, or
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Speaker 2: I guess it would be in reverse Brendon Soresby and
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Speaker 2: by extension, Cody Campbell, Texas Tech and everyone else involved
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Speaker 2: was acting like he was the victim of a system
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Speaker 2: that encouraged him to gamble, rather than telling him from
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Speaker 2: the very beginning he could not gamble. The president of
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Speaker 2: Texas Tech, the athletic director of Texas Tech, the head
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Speaker 2: coach of Texas Tech, sat down on that roundtable discussion, which,
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Speaker 2: by the way, they need to pay a firm to
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Speaker 2: scrub that from the internet. You've got these like pr
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Speaker 2: firms that for very very astronomical prices will go and
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Speaker 2: they will eliminate anything embarrassing from the Internet about your past,
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Speaker 2: the old nudes and the stuff that you never wish
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Speaker 2: you had said on Twitter in two thousand and four.
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Speaker 2: Actually was Twitter even out in two thousand and four,
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Speaker 2: I don't think that's true. Yeah, yeah, MySpace, Facebook, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: well Facebook wasn't though for it. Anyway, they'll scrub, they'll
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Speaker 2: scrub it, they'll scrub it for you. Texas Tech needs
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Speaker 2: to pay a firm to go scrub that stuff. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and by the way, Cody Campbell, just delete the post
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Speaker 2: with your big statement.
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Speaker 1: Brendan Sword being stripped of his opportunity. No, he's not.
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Speaker 1: He stripped himself with the opportunity you heard. I'm not.
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Speaker 2: By the way, this is not a cutting edge hot take, right,
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Speaker 2: Dan Patrick talking about the exact same thing, Rich Eisen
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Speaker 2: talking about the exact same thing.
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Speaker 1: Fill in the blank.
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Speaker 2: Anybody with the half of brand in sports media seeing
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Speaker 2: the exact same thing. You did not have anything stolen
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Speaker 2: from you. You were not stripped of anything. Your behavior
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Speaker 2: disqualified you from competing for Texas Tech. And by the way,
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Speaker 2: I will applaud Texas Tech genuinely. They are taking a
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Speaker 2: higher road than is necessary here. Brendan Soresby with his behavior,
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Speaker 2: with his lack of disclosure on this problem he had
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Speaker 2: with gambling, and Cincinnati also with their lack of disclosure,
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Speaker 2: transparency and honesty going all the way back to the
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Speaker 2: fall of twenty twenty five lied to Texas Tech by
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Speaker 2: omission at the very least, and Cody Campbell and Company said,
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Speaker 2: we have no plans to try to recoup any of
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Speaker 2: our investment in Brendan Soresby. They're not trying to get
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Speaker 2: the money back that they've already paid him. I mean
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Speaker 2: that's a high road. I applaud them that in order
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Speaker 2: they've doubled, triple, quadrupleed down on this. Hey, we're trying
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Speaker 2: to protect this, we're trying to do what's best for
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Speaker 2: his mental health thing. So I think they painted himself
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Speaker 2: into a corner that way. But at the end of
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Speaker 2: the day, a lostitutions. A lot of organizations, a lot
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Speaker 2: of corporations would say, you know what, No, you screwed
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Speaker 2: us over with your lies, with your lack of transparency,
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Speaker 2: and it cost us whatever the real number is, whatever
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Speaker 2: they've actually given him already two million, three million, five million,
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Speaker 2: and man, they didn't. They decided not to go take it.
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Speaker 2: So I give him credit for that. Now, the Brendan
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Speaker 2: Soresby saga is over, as far as we know it
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Speaker 2: for college sports, a cautionary tale that gives us red
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Speaker 2: flags all over the place. And hopefully all of these
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Speaker 2: lawsuits and all this energy and all this time that
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Speaker 2: was going to be spent on battling out whether or
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Speaker 2: not he was eligible in court, hopefully a similar amount
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Speaker 2: of energy, time, and effort will be spent on making
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Speaker 2: sure things like that cannot happen in the future, making
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Speaker 2: sure the language is more clear, making sure the rules
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Speaker 2: are more enforceable.
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's just.
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Speaker 1: A lot of reasons.
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Speaker 2: It was a retired judge in Fort Worth that his
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Speaker 2: attorney found to be like, Hey, come off the golf
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Speaker 2: course for ten minutes and just grant my client an injunction.
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Speaker 2: If it's that easy, that is still a big problem,
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Speaker 2: because there's another judge out there who wants his name
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Speaker 2: in the headlines, or there's another judge out there who's
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Speaker 2: going to take the boat that's whoever is offering as
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Speaker 2: a bribe. There's another person out there who is going
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Speaker 2: to was going to be like, well, yeah, next time
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Speaker 2: some kid gets in trouble, next time some kid does
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Speaker 2: something that's against school rules, conference rules, team rules, NCAA rules.
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Speaker 1: There's gonna be another judge.
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Speaker 2: It's just like, well, in order for that person's mental
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Speaker 2: health health to be taken care of, we're going to
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Speaker 2: grant this temporary injunction. So whatever effort was going to
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Speaker 2: be spent in battling it out in court with Brendan
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Speaker 2: Soresby and his attorneys, take that time, take those funds
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Speaker 2: that you earmarked for that legal battle and pour them
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Speaker 2: into creating a more robust system of enforceable sanction and law.
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Speaker 2: And please, please, please make it so that I never
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Speaker 2: have to talk about something like this again. We never
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Speaker 2: have to sit down and say, can you believe what
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Speaker 2: Arizona State is doing? Can you believe what Texas Tech
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Speaker 2: is doing? Can you believe what Alabama is trying to
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Speaker 2: get away with?
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Speaker 4: Here?
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Speaker 2: Have you heard the latest from the University of Washington
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Speaker 2: and the statement they put out? I don't want any
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Speaker 2: of it ever again, And I know you don't as
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Speaker 2: a sports fan either. So cooler heads have prevailed, more
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Speaker 2: mature thinking has prevailed. Perhaps the reality that you probably
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Speaker 2: don't have much of a chance set in for Brendan Soresby,
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Speaker 2: and now the decision becomes, well, the supplemental draft. Am
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Speaker 2: I gonna enter this supplemental draft? Am I gonna do
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Speaker 2: something in this supplemental draft? For those who are unaware,
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Speaker 2: the supplemental draft is a mechanism for players who miss
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Speaker 2: the traditional draft deadline or are ineligible at the traditional
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Speaker 2: draft deadline and then find themselves kind of in no
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Speaker 2: man's land. Usually, usually they have an academic problem, academically ineligible,
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Speaker 2: maybe there's a criminal charge. I think it was Kayshawn Booty,
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Speaker 2: the one who had gambling problems at LSU and had
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Speaker 2: to enter through the supplemental draft. In any case, the
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Speaker 2: supplemental draft doesn't even produce players every single year. But
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Speaker 2: the expectation that Brendan Soresby, who is was anticipated to
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Speaker 2: be one of the top quarterbacks in next year's draft,
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Speaker 2: is now going to be a supplemental pick, well, how.
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Speaker 1: Will he be treated? Right now?
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Speaker 2: On ESPN, you're seeing there going through the list, Terrelle
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Speaker 2: pryor Brian Bosworth, Chris Carter was a supplemental draft guy.
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Speaker 2: He's the I think the lone Hall of Famer who
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Speaker 2: is a supplemental draft pick. Josh Gordon remember his brief
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Speaker 2: time at the University of Utah that, as far as
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Speaker 2: we can tell, was mostly spent hanging out in a
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Speaker 2: dorm room smoking weed. I don't want to cast any
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Speaker 2: aspersions on the guy, but I never really heard any
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Speaker 2: other stories about him while he was with the Utes.
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Speaker 2: And if you don't know how the supplemental draft works,
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Speaker 2: because why would you. It's actually a really interesting mechanism.
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Speaker 2: It's a really interesting process here. Right, So, Brendan Soworsby
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Speaker 2: is expected to put his name in the supplemental draft,
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Speaker 2: and what will happen is teams with six or fewer
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Speaker 2: wins are put into one group that's from last season
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Speaker 2: NFL teams, playoff teams, excuse me, the remaining non playoff teams.
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Speaker 2: So anyone who is six or fewer wins, they're the
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Speaker 2: top tier. Remaining non playoff teams they're the second tier.
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Speaker 2: And then the fourteen playoff teams are all put in
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Speaker 2: separate groups.
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Speaker 1: And then those are like put in.
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Speaker 2: A hat and they shake up the hat and the
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Speaker 2: order the order that those teams get to pick or
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Speaker 2: not pick based on what they want to do. The
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Speaker 2: supplemental draft is then randomly selected. And this is where
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Speaker 2: it gets interesting. If a team wants to select Brendan Soresby,
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Speaker 2: Let's say one of the teams that had six or
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Speaker 2: fewer wins last year is like, all right, I really
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Speaker 2: like the idea of this Sorsby kid. I was going
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Speaker 2: to have my eye on him in the next year,
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Speaker 2: the next year's draft anyway, next April anyway. So let's
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Speaker 2: say like the New York Jets or the Las Vegas
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Speaker 2: written now not.
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Speaker 1: The Raiders, they just picked their guy.
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Speaker 2: Let's say the New York Jets or the New Orleans
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Speaker 2: Saints or the Arizona Cardinals or whoever are like, all right,
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Speaker 2: I'm being given an opportunity. My name gets drawn out
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Speaker 2: of the hat first. I'm meaning in an opportunity to
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Speaker 2: draft Brendan Soresby. What you do is you bid on
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Speaker 2: him with a pick from next year's draft, whatever picks
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Speaker 2: you have in next year's draft, you bid on Brendan
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Speaker 2: Soorsby's services with that pick. Right, So, maybe if you're
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Speaker 2: a really bad team, you're gonna have a high pick.
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Speaker 2: You say, all right, I'm gonna give up my first
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Speaker 2: round pick to get Brendan Soarsby. Okay, and then they
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Speaker 2: go to the next the next team in the order
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Speaker 2: of six few six wins or less. All right, Well,
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Speaker 2: the Jets said they'd give up a first round pick. No,
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Speaker 2: that's a bad example. The Jets said they give up a.
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Speaker 1: Third round pick.
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Speaker 2: Arizona, what will you give up, Well, we'll give up
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Speaker 2: a second round pick. All right, Well, New York Giants
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Speaker 2: or Washington Commanders, what are you willing to give up? Well,
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Speaker 2: I'll give up our second round pick also, and ours
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Speaker 2: might be higher. And then maybe, just maybe, somebody's like,
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna raise my hand. Maybe the Kansas City Chiefs
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Speaker 2: think that Patrick Mahomes is on his way out, and
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Speaker 2: they're like, we'll give up a first round pick next
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Speaker 2: year because we like to shock people. And you go
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Speaker 2: down through all the teams, each level, and everybody gets
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Speaker 2: to bid a pick on Brendan Soarsby, and then whoever's
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Speaker 2: pick is the highest forfeits that pick.
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Speaker 1: But get what do they get?
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Speaker 2: They get Brendan Soorsby, a guy who, if all things
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Speaker 2: had been equal and everything worked out the way that
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Speaker 2: it was supposed to work out and he hadn't gambled,
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Speaker 2: Brendan Soorsby is a guy who is going to be
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Speaker 2: in the conversation as a first round quarterback next year.
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Speaker 2: So the thing that really kills you if you're close
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Speaker 2: to Brendan Soorsby right now, is not only did he
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Speaker 2: sacrifice whatever nil money is no longer coming his way,
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Speaker 2: whatever glory and attention and whatever's supposed to be coming
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Speaker 2: his way, whatever accolade he was going to add to
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Speaker 2: his own resume and potentially that of Texas Tech because
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Speaker 2: he can't play this year. What you sacrifice with your
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Speaker 2: gambling problem is not only the assets that were coming
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Speaker 2: to you in this twenty twenty six college football season,
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Speaker 2: but potentially a portion of or a significant chunk of
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Speaker 2: the signing bonus that you likely would have garnered as
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Speaker 2: a potential first round pick or even second round pick
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Speaker 2: in next year's regular draft, and he would have been
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Speaker 2: at the very very least a late first round early
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Speaker 2: second round pick, barring any crazy catastrophe or I don't know,
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Speaker 2: maybe a betting scandal that involves his name.
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Speaker 1: Just making stuff up at this way, And.
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Speaker 2: This is where it gets really fascinating for me, because
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Speaker 2: it is no longer college football's problem. As much as
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Speaker 2: Texas Tech is like saying the right things, we will
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Speaker 2: continue to support Brendan Soorersby in his road to recovery
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Speaker 2: from his gambling addiction. They have to pretend like they
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Speaker 2: actually care about that portion of Brendan Soorsby, even though
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Speaker 2: he's not playing for them anymore, because they went so
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Speaker 2: far down that road, they went so deep into that
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Speaker 2: tunnel of like, this is not about football, this is
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Speaker 2: about the mental health of a young man. They went
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Speaker 2: so far down that road, so now they have to
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Speaker 2: stay on that road as an institution, even though like
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Speaker 2: I don't think there's any reason for Brendan Soresby.
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Speaker 1: To even be in Lubbock anymore.
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Speaker 2: Whether he stays there or not, whether he hangs out
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Speaker 2: with the team or not, whether we'll see him on
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Speaker 2: a sideline, I doubt. But in any case, if he
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Speaker 2: enters this NFL supplemental Draft, which is expected now, he
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Speaker 2: becomes the NFL's problem, and we're going to learn a
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Speaker 2: lot about the way the NFL views not Brendan Soarsby
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Speaker 2: as an individual, but how they view his offenses based
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Speaker 2: on what happens in this supplemental draft. So while it
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Speaker 2: is no longer a Utah problem, it is no longer
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Speaker 2: a BYU problem, It is no longer a Big twelve
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Speaker 2: problem or a Texas Tech problem, it is still a
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Speaker 2: question that needs to be answered.
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Speaker 1: In the world of sports.
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Speaker 2: What happens when you gamble ninety thousand dollars thousands of
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Speaker 2: bets being placed on a sport you participate in and
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Speaker 2: even on teams you play for what happens through the
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Speaker 2: NFL lens. If this had been ten years ago, the
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Speaker 2: NFL would have done this kind of like punishing, throw
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Speaker 2: the book at him kind of guy like that. That's
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Speaker 2: what would have happened ten or fifteen years ago. Remember
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Speaker 2: Terrell Pryor, you remember this absolutely. It's been talked about
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Speaker 2: all day on the show too. I didn't realize. I
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Speaker 2: don't remember him having to serve it was it a
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Speaker 2: five game suspension after he was drafted in the NFL
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Speaker 2: because of and then Jim Tressel of course lost his
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Speaker 2: job at Ohio State, and of course was like, Okay,
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Speaker 2: I can't coach in college for a year or whatever
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Speaker 2: it was, so let me try to get NFL jobs.
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Speaker 2: The NFL said no, like, you're going to get suspended
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Speaker 2: here too, even at Jim Tressel.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was.
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Speaker 2: I didn't realize that there were those punishments that were
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Speaker 2: levied at the NFL level for those guys. But I mean,
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Speaker 2: if that's the case for something that at the time
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Speaker 2: was really consequential to the NCAA but now is certainly
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Speaker 2: not consequential at all. Trading their their gear for tattoos, right,
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Speaker 2: that was and some money Like that's the most innocuous, right,
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Speaker 2: I mean, Traill Prior has got to be walking around
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Speaker 2: today being like, can you believe what they punished me for?
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Speaker 2: Jim Tressel too, he's like, I could still be coaching
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Speaker 2: in college maybe if that wasn't the case, But I
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Speaker 2: I end up didn't end up at like Youngstown State
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Speaker 2: is the university something. He was the AD and and
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Speaker 2: then the president, and I think and now he's like
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Speaker 2: the he's like, he's the lieutenant governor of the governor
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Speaker 2: of Ohio now. So things have worked out fine for
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Speaker 2: Jim Tressel since then. But I bring that up to say,
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Speaker 2: if if that which is not consequential at all in
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Speaker 2: today's college sports landscape, it was back then. If that
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Speaker 2: was how the NFL addressed that situation with those Buckeyes,
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Speaker 2: they and they ought to do a year they ought
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Speaker 2: to do a year ban of Brendan Soorsby to start
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Speaker 2: his NFL career in this case, in my opinion, I
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Speaker 2: think they won't. I'm not sure I will either.
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Speaker 1: So the last time.
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Speaker 2: Pay attention to this, this might be something you want
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Speaker 2: to pay attention to. I don't know if we're giving
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Speaker 2: away something later on in the show. The last time
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Speaker 2: a gambling infraction committed during college was punished by the
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Speaker 2: NFL was nineteen sixty three. Who was that Paul Horning?
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Speaker 2: AH heard that name before he.
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Speaker 1: Had gambled on.
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Speaker 2: College games and on NFL football games while he was
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Speaker 2: in college. Okay, the other the other thing about this,
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Speaker 2: I've heard people bring up Kaishawn Booty because he has
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Speaker 2: in the what was it year or two ago, how
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Speaker 2: long his NFL career has been. It has been. It
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Speaker 2: wasn't this past years, probably the year before he admitted
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Speaker 2: after he was drafted, after he started playing games in
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Speaker 2: the NFL, that he bet on college games at LSU.
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Speaker 2: People bring that up, like, well, he didn't get suspended.
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Speaker 2: How can they suspend Brendan sorosby completely different situation. This
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Speaker 2: came out after he'd already been an NFL player for
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Speaker 2: a little bit. They can't suspend him at that. That
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Speaker 2: would it would be wrong and probably beyond a statute
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Speaker 2: of limitations quote unquote if they were to levy some
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Speaker 2: kind of suspension, they would have gotten sued heavily, probably
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Speaker 2: by the Players Association and anyone else representing Keishan Bouti.
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Speaker 2: This is the NFL knows this, will know this going
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Speaker 2: into Brendan's the start of Brendan Sowsby's NFL career, So
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Speaker 2: they absolutely can say you would have been suspended. You
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Speaker 2: would have been banned for at least a year in
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Speaker 2: the NCAA if if you were allowed to play at
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Speaker 2: Texas Tech. By the way, in this case, we're so
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Speaker 2: then we're going to suspend you for the first year
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Speaker 2: of your career. But like you said, I'm not sure
22:02
Speaker 2: they'll do that. It feels unlikely that they will because
22:05
Speaker 2: the relationship between the NFL and rules and gambling rules
22:10
Speaker 2: specifically has changed very drastically because of the ubiquity of
22:15
Speaker 2: sports gambling, because of the legalization of sports gambling. Now
22:20
Speaker 2: these like the poly market what are they called, the
22:26
Speaker 2: prediction predictions, the prediction markets, which is just gambling a'l see,
22:30
Speaker 2: and poly market like those are the loopholes have been found.
22:34
Speaker 3: You can do that in Utah.
22:36
Speaker 2: Gambling is never going to be legalized in the state
22:38
Speaker 2: of Utah like ever, but you can do that stuff
22:41
Speaker 2: in the state of Utah. You can trade stocks on
22:43
Speaker 2: prediction market, absolutely, and you call do the daily fantasy games,
22:46
Speaker 2: which is gambling and it's just not called gambling. An
22:50
Speaker 2: interesting thing about the Kaishan booty case, which is being
22:53
Speaker 2: brought up a lot because it is an example of, well,
22:55
Speaker 2: what happens when the NFL catches wind of your college gambling.
22:59
Speaker 2: There's just so many parallels here Kayshawn Boody, almost nine
23:03
Speaker 2: thousand different bets placed. I just think if he is similar,
23:08
Speaker 2: I just think if it's different. When they didn't know
23:12
Speaker 2: about that until or when he was being drafted, or
23:16
Speaker 2: at least they didn't. It wasn't public that anyone knew
23:18
Speaker 2: about that until when he was being drafted. They we
23:22
Speaker 2: knew about that after he'd been in the NFL. It
23:25
Speaker 2: just we knew about it after he'd been in the NFL.
23:27
Speaker 2: Interestingly enough, his infractions took place in the state of Louisiana.
23:33
Speaker 2: In Louisiana, they were pursuing criminal charges against him because
23:37
Speaker 2: it is illegal to gamble with inside information and he
23:40
Speaker 2: was gambling on LSU games. Now Brandon Soresby right when
23:45
Speaker 2: when we were going through this whole thing, it was
23:46
Speaker 2: just like he didn't do anything illegal, and it was like, no,
23:49
Speaker 2: he did. He did, and he's they're just not pressing charges.
23:53
Speaker 2: Louisiana was pressing criminal charges on Kayshan Boudy. He had
23:57
Speaker 2: to agree to go through the counseling program and all
23:59
Speaker 2: that stuff. He got them dropped, so criminal charges were
24:02
Speaker 2: not pursued, but it shows that, like there are layers
24:05
Speaker 2: to this, there is some precedent, although it's not exactly
24:08
Speaker 2: apples to apples. For this and the NFL, this is
24:12
Speaker 2: much higher profile than kay Shan Boudi because it's a quarterback.
24:15
Speaker 2: He's a quarterback. Because at the timing of it, like
24:17
Speaker 2: you said, it's not like, oh, this happened five years ago,
24:20
Speaker 2: Oh this happened two years ago. This is this happened now,
24:24
Speaker 2: Like this was an investigation found him, flagged him and
24:28
Speaker 2: said hey, this is something that's a problem, and then
24:31
Speaker 2: then it was like, oh uh yeah, by the way,
24:33
Speaker 2: I need addiction therapy.
24:35
Speaker 5: Right.
24:36
Speaker 2: The timeline is totally different on this Brendan Soaresby thing,
24:39
Speaker 2: and because the circumstances are different and probably most important
24:42
Speaker 2: to the optics are different, the NFL will handle it
24:47
Speaker 2: in a unique bubble. It will not handle it exactly
24:50
Speaker 2: like they handled Terrell prior. It won't be nearly as
24:54
Speaker 2: punitive as it was with Tell prior, which doesn't really
24:56
Speaker 2: make sense when you go back and think about it,
24:58
Speaker 2: really does it. But it's a brand new world and
25:01
Speaker 2: it will be handled differently than the Keisha on Booty
25:03
Speaker 2: situation and whichever team decides they want to take a
25:08
Speaker 2: chance on this with Brendan Sorosby.
25:12
Speaker 1: I don't know what it's gonna be.
25:13
Speaker 2: We're gonna have Jeff Schwartz on tomorrow to talk about,
25:16
Speaker 2: you know, because he's he's deep in these circles. A
25:18
Speaker 2: personnel department in the NFL is gonna look at Brendan
25:22
Speaker 2: Sorosby's tape and they're either gonna love it, or they're
25:25
Speaker 2: gonna like it, or they're gonna fall somewhere in the middle.
25:28
Speaker 1: There's nothing bad about Brendan Sorsby's tape.
25:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're probably like he's if he ends up getting
25:35
Speaker 2: his eligibility for it. No, not eligibility, Francy Away. There's
25:39
Speaker 2: an eligibility process for the supplemental Draft for the NFL
25:43
Speaker 2: if that gets approved. So the processes as I've read
25:47
Speaker 2: about it, just trying to familiarize myself with it this morning,
25:49
Speaker 2: Oh see, is they have to a player has to apply,
25:53
Speaker 2: and then some kind of committee at the NFL approves that,
25:58
Speaker 2: and then teams can select them. And as you said,
26:00
Speaker 2: there's draft pick compensation and whatever that you can get
26:05
Speaker 2: in the weeds with. But if the eligibility for the
26:08
Speaker 2: supplemental draft is approved, I think a team's going to
26:13
Speaker 2: take him.
26:14
Speaker 1: It would be think that.
26:15
Speaker 2: I don't think they were going to have another supplemented
26:18
Speaker 2: supplemental draft since twenty nineteen where no one selected. It
26:21
Speaker 2: would be shocking to me if he was not selected
26:25
Speaker 2: in this draft. He's a supplemental drafted like he Yeah,
26:28
Speaker 2: and here's the thing, He's now very easy.
26:32
Speaker 3: To root for for me.
26:34
Speaker 2: It's now like, now, great, I you served your punishment,
26:38
Speaker 2: all right. You did something wrong, you did something you
26:41
Speaker 2: knew was wrong, and even though the punishment was not
26:45
Speaker 2: nearly as severe as it's been for people in similar
26:47
Speaker 2: situations in the past, you have been publicly dragged through
26:52
Speaker 2: the muck, some of that by your own decision making,
26:55
Speaker 2: some of that by your own choice. But you've been
26:57
Speaker 2: You've been castigated right the game the throne.
27:00
Speaker 3: Shame.
27:01
Speaker 2: Shame that you were seriously lanister in that case for
27:05
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks and now.
27:09
Speaker 1: You don't get to play. That's a punishment, it is.
27:12
Speaker 2: Being a supplemental draft pick does not come with the
27:15
Speaker 2: same fanfare, hype, fun or signing bonus that being a
27:21
Speaker 2: first round or second round draft pick in next year's draft.
27:24
Speaker 1: Would be, which is why I have said on the
27:26
Speaker 1: air before, I really do believe this.
27:29
Speaker 2: If I'm Brendan Soresby, I'm treating this like Nick Bosa
27:32
Speaker 2: did his last year at Ohio State. I'm just saying like, yeah,
27:37
Speaker 2: it wasn't an injury for me, it was this complication.
27:39
Speaker 1: But I'll see you guys next year in the draft.
27:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, just work out play next spring in the in
27:45
Speaker 2: the UFL. I mean, it's it and get the UFL
27:49
Speaker 2: will take him. Now, Well, I mean it's the season's over.
27:52
Speaker 2: Is it over all ready? Yeah, it's practically. I thought
27:55
Speaker 2: there was a couple more games. I think it's playoffs,
27:57
Speaker 2: isn't it. I'll check it. Sorry, Sorry for not knowing
28:00
Speaker 2: the exact ins and outs of UFL football.
28:02
Speaker 1: That's that's a that's a me problem.
28:03
Speaker 2: That's not on you guys in any case, Like the
28:08
Speaker 2: difference between being a first round draft pick, which maybe
28:11
Speaker 2: he wouldn't be because of the red Flag championship was
28:13
Speaker 2: on Saturday. The championship was on Saturday. All right, Uh,
28:17
Speaker 2: don't play this year. Shout out to the Louisville Kings,
28:20
Speaker 2: champions of the United bul Okay did not even know
28:24
Speaker 2: the Louisville Kings were a team, So shout out to
28:26
Speaker 2: the I knew the defenders. I know about Birmingham, okay,
28:31
Speaker 2: and St. Louis battle Hall battle Hawks. I know the
28:34
Speaker 2: battle Hawks. Panthers, we know the Panthers, all right. We've
28:38
Speaker 2: had some Utah connections to the Panthers. There's like a
28:42
Speaker 2: Sanate the Heinz Ward was the head coach. And they're
28:52
Speaker 2: talking about Brahma Bulls. They're not talking about uh, members
28:55
Speaker 2: of a certain cast in the Indian cast system.
28:59
Speaker 3: Okay, it's cow.
29:01
Speaker 2: But yeah, so so UFL is not an option.
29:03
Speaker 1: Okay, is not an option this year.
29:05
Speaker 2: But look, Brandon Soarsby and his team are gonna do
29:07
Speaker 2: a lot more research and they're gonna figure out what's
29:09
Speaker 2: best for him. But there's a consequence here. He does
29:12
Speaker 2: not get to play for Texas Tech this year. And
29:14
Speaker 2: now I'm like, all right, crime punishment, hopefully rehabilitation from
29:20
Speaker 2: a gambling addiction. Now you're a sympathetic character, Brendan Sowsby.
29:23
Speaker 2: You see how that works. You just made a good
29:25
Speaker 2: decision here. You just said, ah, man, I screwed this up.
29:28
Speaker 2: That's my bad. I should not have gambled. I should
29:31
Speaker 2: not have lied about gambling. I should not have been
29:32
Speaker 2: hiding this thing I know is a problem. I'm getting
29:34
Speaker 2: treatment for it. And people will treat you like they
29:37
Speaker 2: treat Kayshean Booty. Everyone roots for Kayshewan Boody. They're like, oh, man,
29:40
Speaker 2: cool that you overcame a gambling addiction. And it helps
29:43
Speaker 2: that Kayshawn Boody is a really good receiver for the
29:46
Speaker 2: first Super Bowl, I guess what, Patriots now.
29:48
Speaker 3: Guess what.
29:50
Speaker 2: Brandon Soarsby's a good football player. He's people are going
29:53
Speaker 2: to root for him. The team that drafts him in
29:55
Speaker 2: the supplemental Draft, They're gonna root for him. They're gonna
29:57
Speaker 2: be like, man, I like, I would like to see
29:58
Speaker 2: what this kid's capable of. I'm insanely curious about the
30:05
Speaker 2: behind the scenes conversations because the NFL ten years ago
30:10
Speaker 2: would be wagging their finger. Don't you dare draft this
30:13
Speaker 2: gambling kid. Don't you dare? We don't want gambling anywhere
30:16
Speaker 2: near this game of ours. The shield cannot be dented, tainted,
30:20
Speaker 2: tarnished by gambling.
30:21
Speaker 3: Period.
30:23
Speaker 2: Now they can't feel that way. The NFL is brought
30:25
Speaker 2: to you by DraftKings. Yeah, and I'll say this too.
30:30
Speaker 2: We've been talking about could the NFL suspend him like
30:34
Speaker 2: they did Trill prior. I don't care what they do.
30:39
Speaker 2: I just the only thing I cared about is that
30:41
Speaker 2: he should not be allowed to play college football. I
30:43
Speaker 2: don't care what kind of discipline the NFL does. I
30:47
Speaker 2: you know you would think that me being an Ohio
30:49
Speaker 2: State fan, I'm out for blood here.
30:51
Speaker 1: Hey, if you did.
30:52
Speaker 2: This for trading for tattoos, then he needs to be
30:54
Speaker 2: I don't care. It doesn't really line up if they
30:58
Speaker 2: don't suspend him, but I'm not going to lose sleep
31:01
Speaker 2: over that. It's just the fact that he's not playing
31:04
Speaker 2: college football is the justice that needs to happen here.
31:08
Speaker 2: The NFL can do what they want from here. The
31:10
Speaker 2: other thing I'll say is all we have is Jeffrey
31:14
Speaker 2: Kessler's word so far that they will drop the lawsuit.
31:19
Speaker 2: We don't have an actual withdrawn lawsuit yet, so I'll
31:24
Speaker 2: just I just bring that up to say the Big
31:25
Speaker 2: Twelve needs to be smart about this and keep their
31:28
Speaker 2: fresh lawsuit against Texas Tech open until they know for
31:32
Speaker 2: sure that Brendan Soursby and Jeffrey Kessler's lawsuit against the NCAA,
31:37
Speaker 2: which has this injunction that will would allow him to
31:40
Speaker 2: play if he if he's not gets it, if he
31:43
Speaker 2: does not get his eligibility to prove for the supplement
31:45
Speaker 2: NFL Supplemental Draft, he would then be able to be like, Okay,
31:49
Speaker 2: never mind, I'm playing. I'm playing for Texas Tech. So
31:51
Speaker 2: Big twelve, keep your lawsuit open until it's not over.
31:55
Speaker 2: Till it's over kind of thing, is all I would say.
32:00
Speaker 2: That makes sense, And yes, your due diligence needs to
32:05
Speaker 2: be full and complete when dealing with Jeffrey Kessler, because man, also,
32:11
Speaker 2: if you're the NFL, you're just saying, yeah, okay, you're
32:16
Speaker 2: eligible for the supplemental Draft. I don't want to have
32:18
Speaker 2: to get into a legal battle Jeffrey Kessler about this.
32:22
Speaker 1: They're gonna let him in. The NFL is gonna let
32:24
Speaker 1: him in.
32:24
Speaker 2: They're gonna mandate some kind of league gambling treatment program.
32:28
Speaker 2: They're gonna call the same people to help Kaishawn Booty.
32:31
Speaker 2: And this is going to be a story that we
32:34
Speaker 2: smile about in three years. Everyone outside of Lubbick at
32:37
Speaker 2: least wild stuff. But we think it's over. The Sorsby
32:43
Speaker 2: saga has come to a close. He is not going
32:46
Speaker 2: to according to him. According to Texas Tech, according to
32:50
Speaker 2: Cody Campbell, there's no longer any pursuit of eligibility for
32:56
Speaker 2: Brendan sorosby not active today at the very least. Campbell
33:00
Speaker 2: also said they're not gonna seek a return.
33:03
Speaker 1: Of They're not going to try to get the money back.
33:06
Speaker 2: So he's he gets his five million dollars presumably and
33:09
Speaker 2: well he might be drafted by the NFL. They they're
33:13
Speaker 2: not going to try to recoup any funds they've already
33:15
Speaker 2: given him. I don't imagine they've given him the full
33:17
Speaker 2: five million. They probably haven't given him the whole sum,
33:19
Speaker 2: but whatever portion of that that he has, they're just like,
33:22
Speaker 2: that's yours. That's fine, which, you know what, also the
33:25
Speaker 2: right move to now Cincinnati, Remember Cincinnati was coming after
33:31
Speaker 2: him for a million bucks for violating the terms of transfer. Well,
33:35
Speaker 2: guess what, Cincinnati, Now, you can't get that money back
33:38
Speaker 2: because he didn't.
33:39
Speaker 1: He didn't end up he's not playing. Yeah, that's a
33:42
Speaker 1: good point.
33:43
Speaker 2: You can't sue a guy for going to the NFL
33:45
Speaker 2: supplemental draft. Anyway, I'm done with the legal talk for now.
33:49
Speaker 2: Gordy Chase that joins us. Next, we'll talk with a
33:52
Speaker 2: real New Yorker about the New York Knicks winning a championship.
33:56
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34:03
Speaker 3: Peace out.
34:04
Speaker 4: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
34:07
Speaker 4: Jazz assistant.
34:07
Speaker 3: Coach Gordy Chiasa.
34:09
Speaker 4: He's forgotten more about the NBA than any of us
34:11
Speaker 4: will ever know.
34:12
Speaker 3: Let's not get crazy. Come for the.
34:14
Speaker 4: Hoops talk, stay for his list of the day. My
34:17
Speaker 4: list today. Here's OC with basketball stab on Gordy Chiasa
34:21
Speaker 4: on The Sean O'Connell Show, Probab.
34:27
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34:42
Speaker 2: We'll be out there at Big Willie's, drinking food specials
34:45
Speaker 2: for everyone and holding our breath as pick number two
34:49
Speaker 2: comes through.
34:50
Speaker 1: See what the Utah Jazz get.
34:52
Speaker 2: Remember Darren Peterson not working out for the Utah Jazz.
34:58
Speaker 2: Ace Bailey, similar to situation last year, still got drafted
35:01
Speaker 2: by the Utah Jazz. So how much does it matter?
35:04
Speaker 2: We'll get to that with Gordy. Eventually, our resident NBA
35:08
Speaker 2: guru joined us once again.
35:09
Speaker 1: Hi Gordy, how are you?
35:12
Speaker 4: Joan?
35:12
Speaker 6: I am Drew well, thank you.
35:14
Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson Finals MVP the first New York Nick to
35:19
Speaker 2: score forty points in a finals game. It was forty
35:23
Speaker 2: five that he finished with in Game five as they
35:25
Speaker 2: closed it out in San Antonio. Ojan Ando, we had
35:29
Speaker 2: a case also for being Finals MVP. But was Jalen
35:32
Speaker 2: Brunson the correct winner in your mind?
35:36
Speaker 6: Oh? Very much absolutely. He played great, including Sean Hey
35:39
Speaker 6: averaged ten points three points per game in the fourth
35:42
Speaker 6: quarter to get that forty five point masterpiece to knock
35:47
Speaker 6: out the vastly inexperience yet very talented San Antonio's first
35:53
Speaker 6: So he's well deserved for that and getting back to
35:55
Speaker 6: the forty five point of performance, he was only three
36:00
Speaker 6: other players did that, and ironically I was there one
36:03
Speaker 6: time against it. Michael Jordan knocked out the Jazz in
36:05
Speaker 6: nineteen ninety eight in a classic Game six. He scored
36:09
Speaker 6: forty five points against the Jazz to beat us. And
36:13
Speaker 6: also also Giannis scored fifty points in an elimination game
36:19
Speaker 6: and knockout and back in nineteen fifty eight, Bob pettit
36:22
Speaker 6: did it. So there's only four guys ever scored forty
36:26
Speaker 6: five points in a knockout game in the finals.
36:33
Speaker 2: Gordy, we we watched it happen, but we've been talking
36:37
Speaker 2: about it all through these playoffs. Right, if you never
36:40
Speaker 2: lived in New York, you probably have a hard time
36:42
Speaker 2: knowing what this really means to the long suffering New
36:46
Speaker 2: York Knicks fans. And you're a long suffering New York
36:49
Speaker 2: football fan, but you're not anymore along suffering New York
36:53
Speaker 2: Knicks fan because they won this championship. But watching it
36:57
Speaker 2: as a guy who has intimate knowledge of what it's
36:59
Speaker 2: like in that city around this team, watching it unfold,
37:03
Speaker 2: I mean, fifty three years in the making, what was
37:05
Speaker 2: it like?
37:07
Speaker 6: It's special, It's generational. It connects all walks of life,
37:11
Speaker 6: whether you're eight years old or eighty years old. It's
37:14
Speaker 6: something you remember forever, and it's a connector, and that
37:18
Speaker 6: makes it so special sports. You can't explain it until
37:21
Speaker 6: you go through it. Where it doesn't matter how toll
37:24
Speaker 6: you are, how big you are, your your affiliation is
37:26
Speaker 6: far as religious. It's irrelevant that you're all a fan
37:30
Speaker 6: and this is quote for a fan base. This is
37:33
Speaker 6: our team. And now it's the Knicks and then Jellen
37:35
Speaker 6: Brunson and the rest of the Nicobaca players. They're a
37:39
Speaker 6: bunch of good guys that they never get in trouble.
37:42
Speaker 6: Think about Jellen Brunson, oj and Ob, Josh Hart, the Kelbridges,
37:48
Speaker 6: Karl Anthony Towns, Jordan Clarkson, Mitchell Robinson. Those guys are
37:53
Speaker 6: just play. They're never in trouble and that's the refreshing
37:57
Speaker 6: and that's why they're champions that they they played as
38:00
Speaker 6: a group. And Jalen Brunson for anybody that's on the
38:04
Speaker 6: six foot three. So Sean, just quickly, this is that
38:07
Speaker 6: I want to bring this out because the drafts next Tuesday,
38:10
Speaker 6: we'll be doing it, you and I and Smitty and
38:12
Speaker 6: Spence on the air. Is that there's this thing about
38:17
Speaker 6: you know, certain like height et cetera and metrics, but
38:20
Speaker 6: Jalen bruns is the class example of height over heart
38:25
Speaker 6: and Jealen Brunson tight people inch per inch pounds for pound,
38:29
Speaker 6: they're winners. So here's some guys in the NBA that
38:32
Speaker 6: probably would not fit the metrics as far as the
38:35
Speaker 6: criteria that without these things you won't be able to
38:39
Speaker 6: play well in the NBA. And Jalen Brunson, we know
38:42
Speaker 6: that is a direct opposite. He's played great. So example
38:45
Speaker 6: a guy on the six foot three in the NBA
38:47
Speaker 6: that have played very well Curry, Irving, Dame Lillard, Jalen Brunson,
38:52
Speaker 6: Terse Maxi, Daron Fox, Trey Young, Jiji McCollum, Darius Gland,
39:00
Speaker 6: Freddie Vanfleet, Dennis Shrewder, Peyton Pritchard, Tej McConnell, and Colin Sexon.
39:07
Speaker 6: And of course there's always Stephen Curry, Chris Paul, Kyle Lowry,
39:13
Speaker 6: Mike Conley and the number one guy in all our
39:15
Speaker 6: hearts is a guy named John Stockton at six'. One
39:19
Speaker 6: so it's a myth about certain. Things you, know not
39:21
Speaker 6: a certain height or a certain length or a certain
39:23
Speaker 6: width them you can't play well in THE nba or
39:27
Speaker 6: sewing in THE nfl.
39:28
Speaker 5: Where it's a.
39:28
Speaker 6: Quarterback oh this guy lacks this, thing this, thing this.
39:31
Speaker 6: Thing oh, yeah there's certain guys that are winners that
39:34
Speaker 6: no matter what they receive, lack they make up what
39:37
Speaker 6: with intelligence and courage and they've got heart and they
39:41
Speaker 6: have this big play.
39:41
Speaker 2: Mentality For Mike, brown who obviously is a highly respected
39:48
Speaker 2: coach in the, association a guy who's been a champion
39:51
Speaker 2: as an, assistant he gets over the hump as a
39:54
Speaker 2: head coach for the very first time with The New
39:56
Speaker 2: York knicks of all.
39:57
Speaker 1: Teams what does that do for his?
40:00
Speaker 2: Career how does it change your reputation and the way
40:02
Speaker 2: you're looked at as a coach when you win one
40:05
Speaker 2: as the.
40:05
Speaker 5: Headman, also so IF.
40:08
Speaker 6: I say the, answer he got fired four times in his,
40:13
Speaker 6: career so fact it's fired four times now what we're
40:16
Speaker 6: talking about and praising, him and that just shows you
40:19
Speaker 6: that the coaching, profession, again there's an action we always talk.
40:24
Speaker 6: About you get hired to be. Fired so even though it's,
40:27
Speaker 6: painful it's all part of it because you can't win
40:31
Speaker 6: all the, time and so much is the expectation level
40:34
Speaker 6: of your of your either ownership or if it's a
40:38
Speaker 6: college of, sports the, administration the perception of you did
40:43
Speaker 6: a lesser job or you did a great job based
40:46
Speaker 6: on the circumstances And so With Mike brown's, career good for,
40:49
Speaker 6: him good coach he always. Was he fell short a few,
40:53
Speaker 6: times expectation was really high around. Him this time it
40:57
Speaker 6: was the perfect. Scenario with The Tom, DIBBODEAUX i might,
41:01
Speaker 6: add the previous, coach he set the foundation for this
41:05
Speaker 6: group to, win and Then Mike brown got them over
41:08
Speaker 6: over the hurdle just by a year. Older let's not
41:12
Speaker 6: forget last year And knicks lost in the conference finals
41:15
Speaker 6: To Indiana pacers With halibert and that group four games to.
41:19
Speaker 6: Two so they came back this year with a lot
41:22
Speaker 6: more experience and also nowhenness of what it takes to.
41:26
Speaker 6: Win now from The spurs point of view is that
41:29
Speaker 6: there are going to be a force in the next fifteen.
41:32
Speaker 6: Years now doesn't mean next year they're going to give
41:34
Speaker 6: back to the. Finals doesn't work that. Way so you
41:37
Speaker 6: AND i mentioned that this is the h straight year
41:39
Speaker 6: of a DIFFERENT nba. Champion So Mike, brown let's give
41:43
Speaker 6: him kudo's tremendous coaching. Job but more, importantly without the,
41:47
Speaker 6: players he wouldn't have.
41:48
Speaker 1: Won would he have had the same players at his?
41:52
Speaker 2: DISPOSAL I Jalen, brunson a couple of seasons back had and,
41:55
Speaker 2: said you know, What i'm going to leave one hundred
41:57
Speaker 2: million dollars over the course of this contract on the.
41:59
Speaker 1: Tea you don't have to give me the Super max.
42:01
Speaker 2: EXTENSION i want there to be some wiggle room to
42:05
Speaker 2: surround me with. TALENT i, mean obviously it's being talked,
42:08
Speaker 2: about but how significant was that and the foresight That
42:13
Speaker 2: Jalen brunson AND i guess his, AGENT i guess everyone
42:15
Speaker 2: around him must have had saying you're a great, player
42:18
Speaker 2: but you're gonna need something. Else with This New York knicks,
42:21
Speaker 2: team they use that, money at least indirectly to help
42:25
Speaker 2: get guys Like Mikal, bridges guys Like Karl Anthony. TOWNS i,
42:28
Speaker 2: mean did The New York knicks win If Jalen brunson
42:33
Speaker 2: took the max, money how significant was?
42:35
Speaker 6: It huge they don't. Win that's exactly, Right, sean because
42:40
Speaker 6: that was the coffee talents trade With Dante givinsenzo and
42:44
Speaker 6: other pieces of, it And Julius randle and That, annobi
42:49
Speaker 6: who's a tremendous two way. PLAYER i wish The jets
42:52
Speaker 6: have someone like, that you, know where they would help
42:55
Speaker 6: the guy and score eighteen a. Game but he can,
42:58
Speaker 6: defend he can. Rebound so his contract was put in
43:01
Speaker 6: place because The brunson took the discount and m Kel
43:05
Speaker 6: bridges also and so he did the right thing for.
43:09
Speaker 6: It he saw it, differently and most guys. DON'T i
43:13
Speaker 6: know that we're talking about it now and that you
43:16
Speaker 6: look as always what AM i worth in the? Marketplace
43:20
Speaker 6: that's as any business as so as what were they
43:22
Speaker 6: going to pay? Me what AM i? Worth he took,
43:25
Speaker 6: us he took a discount and it worked out for him.
43:27
Speaker 6: Beautifully and for the next fifty years they're going to
43:30
Speaker 6: talk about him and all his. Teammates now Brunst is
43:32
Speaker 6: still makes the great. Contract his contract next season is
43:35
Speaker 6: thirty seven point seven, million twenty seven twenty eight forty
43:39
Speaker 6: point five, million and then twenty eight twenty nine forty
43:42
Speaker 6: three points three million as the player. Option and his
43:46
Speaker 6: agent It's sambros OF Caaa sports and so they they
43:50
Speaker 6: read it right. Correctly he's a unique, person you, know
43:54
Speaker 6: billing over Great Great hill were realized Like Jellen. Brunson
43:57
Speaker 6: he also graduated from college in three. Years so he's
44:00
Speaker 6: an intelligent person that's got. Hot he understands the, present
44:05
Speaker 6: tense and the big. Picture good for, him good for The,
44:08
Speaker 6: knicks good to the villain over and good for everybody
44:11
Speaker 6: that wants to do the right.
44:12
Speaker 2: Thing gordon chases our guest here for a few more
44:15
Speaker 2: minutes On The sean O'Connell, show talking all THINGS, nba
44:18
Speaker 2: but especially the foulout of AN nba. Finals, now let's
44:21
Speaker 2: look at it through the spurs. Lens you AND i
44:24
Speaker 2: we both love Watching victor Wimbin. Yama he's the, president
44:28
Speaker 2: he's also the future of THE. NBA i think we
44:31
Speaker 2: saw some things in this series that just showed, you you,
44:34
Speaker 2: know experience still, matters, inexperience his, youth these are still factors.
44:40
Speaker 1: Even when you're that, big you're that, long you're that.
44:42
Speaker 2: Talented there were just some moments Where victor was not not,
44:46
Speaker 2: Ready he wasn't, Clutch he, wasn't you, know necessarily the
44:49
Speaker 2: guy That Jalen brunson. Was how do you look at
44:52
Speaker 2: those when you're a guy who's coached for and been
44:54
Speaker 2: around the league as long as you it's.
44:57
Speaker 6: Painful you look at it as of ours paint and
45:00
Speaker 6: to make this paint as far as the motivation and the,
45:03
Speaker 6: pain meaning that in game, five just for. Example now
45:06
Speaker 6: you can make a discussion if The spros could have
45:09
Speaker 6: would have should have won many of these, games but
45:12
Speaker 6: they didn't because The knicks were tougher. Mentally In game
45:16
Speaker 6: five at, home where they had to win to try
45:18
Speaker 6: to keep the series. Going in the last eight, minutes
45:23
Speaker 6: The spurs shot three for. Sixteen fox goes oh for,
45:27
Speaker 6: Four wemby goes over, three And Dylan haubber goes one for,
45:31
Speaker 6: five and so they go a total of one for
45:34
Speaker 6: twelve during that. Time those three guys in the group
45:38
Speaker 6: shot three for, sixteen and this just shows you that
45:41
Speaker 6: you've got to be able to make clutch, plays and
45:44
Speaker 6: that's both on both sides of the. Ball they'll learn from.
45:46
Speaker 6: This it's painful as, always just don't make it, fatal
45:50
Speaker 6: and they'll come back next year much more stronger, mentally
45:54
Speaker 6: especially in the, playoffs and that's the goal for. Them
45:57
Speaker 6: wemby's Great wemby in this. Final they average. Quickly he
46:01
Speaker 6: have it's twenty six twenty six points per, game eleven
46:04
Speaker 6: point two, rebounds three point six, Blocks but he shot
46:08
Speaker 6: it ugly twenty seven percent from, trees and it was
46:11
Speaker 6: misguided many. Times he just fired threes where he should
46:16
Speaker 6: have what swung the bull and cut to the basket
46:18
Speaker 6: or stay in the mid. Block they get the ball
46:21
Speaker 6: and take that one, dribble either for a jump hook
46:25
Speaker 6: or a power move or kick it out for a
46:28
Speaker 6: rhythm free help learn from, that and so those teammates, Too,
46:34
Speaker 6: gordy have.
46:35
Speaker 2: You ever lost five games or four out of five
46:38
Speaker 2: games when you've had a double digit?
46:39
Speaker 6: LEAD i have, not, no BUT i can only imagine
46:46
Speaker 6: what it's. Like you're exactly you're showing a liding to
46:48
Speaker 6: right now about the, spurs and again they're they're right
46:53
Speaker 6: there with. Nickelboxers but they didn't execute under. Pressure and
46:58
Speaker 6: that's that magic. Word what doesn't mean, execute execute means
47:01
Speaker 6: that the majority of the time when you have a,
47:04
Speaker 6: lead you still play, aggressive both on both sides of the,
47:08
Speaker 6: ball but you respect the. Possession and that's the reason
47:11
Speaker 6: you're up by double. Digits and what happens a lot
47:14
Speaker 6: of times is that you fall back into it's going
47:17
Speaker 6: to be. Easier the posting team's defense kicks up three
47:21
Speaker 6: notches and gets after, you and that you take the
47:24
Speaker 6: exact same, shot or when you do, penetrate you don't
47:28
Speaker 6: finish at the rim or do you go zero for
47:31
Speaker 6: two for the foul. Line and momentum changes and momentum
47:35
Speaker 6: is this thing during games where three or four possessions
47:40
Speaker 6: in a row that become negative on your team becomes
47:44
Speaker 6: positive on the other, team and that now makes the.
47:47
Speaker 6: Game the momentum shifts in the, game and you have
47:50
Speaker 6: to be. Stronger you have to be strong. Mentally so,
47:52
Speaker 6: example you, break you're you're you're fighting for your life
47:56
Speaker 6: of the, game and you come out of a huddle
47:58
Speaker 6: and you get a turnover right, away and that's things
48:01
Speaker 6: that negate everything you talked about in the huddle to
48:04
Speaker 6: try to, solve to try to slow down. Momentum Mitch
48:07
Speaker 6: johnson also as a younger, coach though very, talented possibly
48:13
Speaker 6: he'll look back at these playoffs and he'll say to,
48:15
Speaker 6: himself what could he have done? Better and just generally,
48:18
Speaker 6: speaking it's shot, selection it's changing the look of the
48:23
Speaker 6: defense of looking back, now he probably would have, thought
48:26
Speaker 6: maybe let's play some zone defense to Take Jalen brunson
48:31
Speaker 6: at unbelievable pick and roll game that he scored. On
48:34
Speaker 6: so they'll learn from, this both, teams both players and
48:37
Speaker 6: coaches and organization of what they need to. Do Kelvin
48:41
Speaker 6: johnson the Six men of The. Year it was invisible
48:45
Speaker 6: during the WHOLE Nba, finals and so it's all part
48:48
Speaker 6: of reason why they thought me fell.
48:49
Speaker 2: Short, gordi how much should we care That Darren peterson
48:54
Speaker 2: is not working out for The Utah, jazz.
49:00
Speaker 5: Not at?
49:01
Speaker 6: All zero, none. Zero that's all done by his, agent
49:05
Speaker 6: that's number, Agent wastle and media. Group so it doesn't
49:09
Speaker 6: work out for The, jazz only with The. Wizards that's
49:12
Speaker 6: not forgetting. Now ace barely last year did not work
49:15
Speaker 6: out with The, jazz and The jazz drafted And i'm
49:17
Speaker 6: still number. Five i'm Assuming ace loves living here and
49:21
Speaker 6: he seems like he's a very joyful. Person, also other
49:24
Speaker 6: players showing quickly over the years have not worked out
49:28
Speaker 6: for the team and they still drafted. Him Ben simmons
49:31
Speaker 6: didn't want to work out with the seventy six, ers
49:33
Speaker 6: they still drafted. Him Lonzo bowl back in twenty seventeen
49:38
Speaker 6: told The celtics please don't draft. Me they did at number.
49:41
Speaker 6: Three they're grateful they didn't because they they Drafted Jason.
49:45
Speaker 6: Tatum talk about good luck by them and the which
49:49
Speaker 6: is great fortune for The. Celtics and The lakers Drafted
49:52
Speaker 6: Lonzo bowl at, two which they later, regretted and number
49:55
Speaker 6: one drafted by The wizards Was Michel folks with the absolute.
49:59
Speaker 6: Regretted the last point about that is that remember Back
50:03
Speaker 6: sean with two thousand and, Nine Steph curry's, People Jeff
50:08
Speaker 6: austin Of Outagne, sports he begged The knickerbockers please don't
50:13
Speaker 6: draft my. Client they did not draft. Him and at number,
50:17
Speaker 6: eight because at number seven is that they got a
50:21
Speaker 6: huge break by the t uls with the t rules
50:23
Speaker 6: at number five and, Six, sean instead of Drafting Steph,
50:27
Speaker 6: curry they drafted number Five Ricky rubio point. Guard at
50:31
Speaker 6: number Six Johnny Flynn yikes Of syracuse as a point.
50:36
Speaker 6: Guard and that's when The warriors Drafted steph at. Seven
50:42
Speaker 6: and the rest's. History so the agents are involved full.
50:47
Speaker 6: Force If i'm The, JAZZ i don't blink at. All, Zero,
50:51
Speaker 6: no there's no blink at. All peterson at, Two i'm
50:54
Speaker 6: sure they're going to try to take.
50:55
Speaker 1: Him all, Right, gordy what's your list?
50:59
Speaker 6: Today so can you imagine This Steph curry rout without The?
51:04
Speaker 6: Warriors would they be.
51:05
Speaker 2: Like, NO i, mean, WELL i can't imagine it because
51:11
Speaker 2: we saw The warriors with like kind of an, unhealthy
51:15
Speaker 2: Injured Steph curry for a while before he is run
51:17
Speaker 2: really got, started AND i guess we kind of remember
51:19
Speaker 2: what that looked.
51:20
Speaker 6: Like sure it wasn't, Pretty so it's step in the.
51:24
Speaker 6: Group it was. Pretty my list today is also. PRETTY
51:28
Speaker 6: Nba finals most least ten, years THE Nba FINALS Mvp award.
51:34
Speaker 6: WINNERS i, Remember it's so. Ironic THE Mvp Finals award
51:38
Speaker 6: winner trophy is named After Bill, russell who never won
51:42
Speaker 6: it because it wasn't invented when he. Played that's how
51:45
Speaker 6: crazy the whole thing, is all. Right the least ten
51:47
Speaker 6: years twenty, Seventeen Kevin durant of The, warriors twenty, Eighteen
51:53
Speaker 6: Kevin durant of The, warriors twenty, Nineteen Kawhi leonard of The,
51:59
Speaker 6: raptors twenty and, Twenty Lebron james of The, Lakers and
52:03
Speaker 6: that was The BUBBLE mvp twenty twenty, One giannis of The,
52:08
Speaker 6: bucks twenty twenty, two on Point, Sean Steph curry of The,
52:14
Speaker 6: warriors twenty twenty Three FINALS, Mvp Nikolai jokic of The,
52:19
Speaker 6: nuggets twenty twenty, Four Jalen brown of The, celtics twenty twenty,
52:25
Speaker 6: Five Shay, Gilds alexander of The thunder and this year's
52:30
Speaker 6: award winner of THE Nba FINALS, Mvp Jalen brunson of The.
52:36
Speaker 6: Knickerbockers one quick note back in nineteen sixty nine when
52:40
Speaker 6: they first started this as far as THE, mvp that
52:44
Speaker 6: Was Bill russell's last, season but THE mvp went to
52:47
Speaker 6: the only time ever where the non winner of the
52:50
Speaker 6: finals as far as his team was NAMED, mvp that
52:54
Speaker 6: Was Jerry west was selected as THE. Mvp it's the
52:57
Speaker 6: only time ever. Happened also, Quickly Michael jordan has won
53:01
Speaker 6: Six FINALS, mvp And Lebron james has won, four one
53:07
Speaker 6: with The, lakers two with The, heat and one with The.
53:10
Speaker 6: Cavs so you're in a ratified company being The FINALS.
53:13
Speaker 6: Mvp it's, unbelievable hard to. Do all these, players most
53:17
Speaker 6: are heading to The hall Of. Fame that's a brilliant day.
53:19
Speaker 2: Off i'm looking at the list now of the all
53:22
Speaker 2: TIME nba OR Nba finals, MVPs AND i, MEAN i
53:29
Speaker 2: think you have the Random Andrea guadala year from twenty,
53:34
Speaker 2: fifteen but beyond, that it's, like, yeah it's a bunch
53:38
Speaker 2: Of hall of.
53:38
Speaker 6: Famers, yeah it's amazing how hard it. Is the winning
53:44
Speaker 6: is winning the. Finals it's so hard just to get
53:48
Speaker 6: there as an, accomplishment but actually win. It it's a
53:52
Speaker 6: once in a lifetime for. Players and if you're fortunate
53:55
Speaker 6: with other trusted, Teammates, sean you might have a great.
53:58
Speaker 6: Run meaning the most was The, warriors and before that
54:03
Speaker 6: was The bulls Where michael. Played he was THE mvp
54:07
Speaker 6: for six. Years he went to baseball in. Between it
54:10
Speaker 6: might have been eight straight. Years that's how great he.
54:13
Speaker 6: Was and that's how hard it is to. Do and
54:16
Speaker 6: everyone thinks that we'll do it next. Year as far
54:19
Speaker 6: as your peat champion that we know right, now the
54:21
Speaker 6: last eight, years it's been very hard to. Do let's
54:25
Speaker 6: GO nfl, Quickly. Sean That's Tom brady right in THE.
54:28
Speaker 6: Nfl Joe. Montana that's how hard it. Is Patrick.
54:32
Speaker 2: Mahomes, gordy thank you for a great. List thanks for
54:37
Speaker 2: your time, again appreciate, you.
54:38
Speaker 6: Sir Thanks, sean we'll talk. Soon peace.
54:41
Speaker 2: Out Gordy chiasa here on The sean O'Connell. Show he'll
54:44
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54:48
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Speaker 2: M all, right we're gonna Grab Tony jones here in
55:31
Speaker 2: a second from The athletic talk about the UPCOMING Nba.
55:35
Speaker 2: Draft not only are The Utah jazz dealing with the
55:40
Speaker 2: theatrics and the questioning of This Darren peterson not coming
55:44
Speaker 2: To utah to workout, thing but the conversation with restricted
55:49
Speaker 2: free Agent Walker kessler appears to have reached an impassive
55:52
Speaker 2: sorts Where Walker kessler and his team are reportedly not
55:56
Speaker 2: overly thrilled with The Utah jazz front office and their
55:59
Speaker 2: offers for an. Extension i'm still a, believer like you're
56:04
Speaker 2: probably gonna get this. Done part of the whole, thing
56:06
Speaker 2: part of the whole negotiation, process is you kind of
56:10
Speaker 2: got to pretend that you. Bothered you kind of gotta
56:13
Speaker 2: pretend that all that offer is not good. Enough, Right
56:15
Speaker 2: we've all done. This we've all been haggling at the
56:19
Speaker 2: at the table of some vendor.
56:20
Speaker 1: Somewhere, no come, on that's too.
56:24
Speaker 2: Much give me that exact thing for half the. Price
56:27
Speaker 2: and they offer you that first number knowing full well
56:29
Speaker 2: you're not going to pay. It at the end of the,
56:33
Speaker 2: DAY i think that one is going to get.
56:36
Speaker 1: Done we'll.
56:38
Speaker 2: See, Also Walker, kessler if you're ranking players on This
56:44
Speaker 2: Utah jazz team in order of their importance to what
56:47
Speaker 2: The jazz are trying to do moving, forward where does
56:52
Speaker 2: he actually. SIT i, mean he's a really good, PLAYER i,
56:56
Speaker 2: think especially for the defensive kind of identity you want
56:59
Speaker 2: to say. Building Walker kessler is very very important for
57:03
Speaker 2: This Utah jazz team For Will hardy to be able
57:06
Speaker 2: to play the kind of basketball he wants his organization to.
57:09
Speaker 2: Play you need somebody like. That, Now Jaron Jackson junior
57:13
Speaker 2: can be like. That do you really want him playing the?
57:16
Speaker 1: Five?
57:17
Speaker 2: Though the vision that everyone came up with was like
57:23
Speaker 2: this three, towers the tray towers kind of a situation
57:26
Speaker 2: where you've got these three towering big men in the
57:29
Speaker 2: Middle lowry market and being a, stretch you, know in that,
57:33
Speaker 2: case super tall. THREE i guess we'll see how it
57:38
Speaker 2: plays out with The Utah. Jazz we'll see how it
57:40
Speaker 2: plays out with this upcoming. Draft we're gonna be At
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57:50
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58:09
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58:10
Speaker 2: Prospects number one aj Or Darren, Peterson number TWO aj
58:16
Speaker 2: Or Darren, peterson number, three Probably Cam, Boozer Caleb. Wilson
58:21
Speaker 2: draft really, starts depending on who you talk, to at
58:23
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58:29
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58:35
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Speaker 2: right our next, Guest Tony. JONES i don't know if
59:13
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59:15
Speaker 2: if he's come back down already at long. Last The
59:21
Speaker 2: New York knicks have won a, championship AND i think
59:24
Speaker 2: he might have some feelings about.
59:25
Speaker 1: That Tony, jones how are?
59:26
Speaker 5: YOU i was streaking in the parking lot of my
59:34
Speaker 5: my apartment In, Blackwood New, jersey Screaming Go Nicks ago
59:45
Speaker 5: clothes on you tall.
59:47
Speaker 2: People you say, Streaking it suggests something, Else, TONY i
59:54
Speaker 2: know it, does BUT.
59:55
Speaker 5: I just want to let you know they were there
59:56
Speaker 5: were there were clothes, involved all?
59:58
Speaker 2: Right, uh the the scenes were absolutely incredible Of New
1:00:02
Speaker 2: york and of you, know the entire reaction to a
1:00:07
Speaker 2: fifty three year drought being broken By Jalen brunson and.
1:00:10
Speaker 1: Company and you.
1:00:12
Speaker 2: Know we've talked about it from a lot of different.
1:00:14
Speaker 2: Angles there was a significant amount Of spurs collapse over
1:00:17
Speaker 2: the course of that, series blowing double digit leads and
1:00:20
Speaker 2: things like. That BUT i think credit where it's Due
1:00:23
Speaker 2: Jalen brunson being a guy who not only has the
1:00:27
Speaker 2: confidence the ability to carry a team to a, championship
1:00:31
Speaker 2: but if you go, back the foresight to know that
1:00:35
Speaker 2: he might have to sacrifice a little bit of his
1:00:37
Speaker 2: own money financially in order to surround himself with the
1:00:40
Speaker 2: necessary pieces to make that, happen, which of course is
1:00:43
Speaker 2: is atypical.
1:00:44
Speaker 1: AT nba circles WITH nba.
1:00:46
Speaker 2: Players it's frowned upon by some because you want to
1:00:49
Speaker 2: max out when you can max. Out AND i want
1:00:51
Speaker 2: your thoughts on how significant that move was For Jalen
1:00:54
Speaker 2: brunson and then attaining this championship a couple years.
1:00:57
Speaker 5: Later, WELL i mean it was president at the, time
1:01:01
Speaker 5: and and you, KNOW i think the backlash beyond that, was,
1:01:07
Speaker 5: yeah you, know you're you, know you are a great.
1:01:10
Speaker 5: Guy you are honestly obviously giving back a lot of.
1:01:16
Speaker 5: Money but you, know the thought at the time was
1:01:19
Speaker 5: you're going to be giving back a lot of money
1:01:21
Speaker 5: without the ultimate payoff or. Championship so the fact that you,
1:01:26
Speaker 5: know he won a, championship you, know validated. That and
1:01:30
Speaker 5: now you know when his next extension can, come you,
1:01:34
Speaker 5: know it's time for The knicks to pay the, piper
1:01:36
Speaker 5: and they're going to have to back up the, brainstruck
1:01:39
Speaker 5: which you know you expect that they. Will but you,
1:01:43
Speaker 5: know for a guy to you, know of his stature
1:01:47
Speaker 5: at the, time to take you, know one hundred and
1:01:49
Speaker 5: ten million dollars after you, know the couple of seasons
1:01:54
Speaker 5: that he, had the a couple of initial seasons that
1:01:56
Speaker 5: he had in The knicks, uniform just to be able
1:01:59
Speaker 5: to to give them the financial flexibility to to to
1:02:04
Speaker 5: round out the rostering and get guys that that that
1:02:10
Speaker 5: fit with. Them obviously that paid, off you, know big
1:02:14
Speaker 5: time in this. Run and you, know The, KNICKS i,
1:02:18
Speaker 5: mean you can't say anything other than they were by
1:02:23
Speaker 5: far the best team in THE nba during this playoff.
1:02:26
Speaker 5: Run they went sixteen and, Three they won fifteen of
1:02:30
Speaker 5: their last sixteen. Games they won all of their road
1:02:33
Speaker 5: games in the Last in the last three, rounds they
1:02:37
Speaker 5: beat a sixty two win. Team they beat a sixty
1:02:41
Speaker 5: two win ten team three times on the road in the.
1:02:44
Speaker 5: Finals you, know so you, know there's no context to
1:02:48
Speaker 5: This knicks. Championship they were simply the best team in the,
1:02:51
Speaker 5: field and they proved it over and over and over.
1:02:54
Speaker 2: Again are people around THE nba gonna play copyca that
1:03:00
Speaker 2: league and try to do what The New York knicks have?
1:03:03
Speaker 2: DONE i know it's easier said than done to try to.
1:03:05
Speaker 2: Copycat and there's not a lot Of Jalen brunson's out.
1:03:08
Speaker 2: There you, know he's not built like the typical game.
1:03:11
Speaker 2: Wrecker he's smaller and shorter than most of those. Guys
1:03:15
Speaker 2: but is there a lesson to be learned for the
1:03:18
Speaker 2: rest of THE nba from this next team in the
1:03:20
Speaker 2: way that they did?
1:03:21
Speaker 5: IT i think the biggest takeaway that you can take
1:03:26
Speaker 5: from The knicks run is, it you, know the copycat
1:03:30
Speaker 5: of the roster or the way it was, Constructed BECAUSE
1:03:34
Speaker 5: i think the roster is, constructed you, know really, uniquely
1:03:38
Speaker 5: like you, know how often can you get you, know
1:03:41
Speaker 5: three guys together who won two championships uh in college
1:03:47
Speaker 5: and who are all best. FRIENDS i, mean and that's
1:03:49
Speaker 5: not repable. Replicable but what is replicable is the fact
1:03:55
Speaker 5: that The, knicks you, know despite there were multiple, times you,
1:04:00
Speaker 5: know after losing to The, pacers you, know there are
1:04:03
Speaker 5: multiple times you know there was. There you, know there
1:04:07
Speaker 5: were multiple times where they stone walled in the second,
1:04:09
Speaker 5: round and then they stone walled in The Eastern conference
1:04:13
Speaker 5: finals and they were, like, well this is, it this
1:04:15
Speaker 5: is the pinnacle of this. Group they can't go any
1:04:18
Speaker 5: further until they, did, so you, KNOW i think the
1:04:21
Speaker 5: thing to take away is you have your. Core you
1:04:28
Speaker 5: figure out who your core, is you figure out how
1:04:30
Speaker 5: much time your core has, left and then you keep
1:04:32
Speaker 5: making smart move after smart move after smart move to
1:04:35
Speaker 5: build and build and build around the core until in this,
1:04:42
Speaker 5: landscape in THIS nba, landscape is actually your chance and
1:04:46
Speaker 5: your time to win a. Championship we didn't know that
1:04:49
Speaker 5: it was going to be the next, time and you,
1:04:52
Speaker 5: know a lot of people didn't know until a lot
1:04:55
Speaker 5: of people didn't know how good The knicks were pretty
1:04:58
Speaker 5: much until they hosted The larry O'Brien. Trophy but if
1:05:02
Speaker 5: you look at this run and you look at this.
1:05:07
Speaker 5: ROSTER i think there were so many people who you,
1:05:11
Speaker 5: know beyond the, core who contributed to who contributed to the,
1:05:18
Speaker 5: obvious the obvious. Playoffs you, Know Mitch robinson had that
1:05:22
Speaker 5: big rebound down the stretch In game, Five Jose alvarado
1:05:26
Speaker 5: had that big second half in in in game four
1:05:31
Speaker 5: which allowed to come. Back Jordan clarkson had really good
1:05:35
Speaker 5: minutes in game, four, uh in game. Five you, know
1:05:40
Speaker 5: so there were guys beyond the core who you, know
1:05:44
Speaker 5: did little things that contribute and it accentuates and highlights
1:05:47
Speaker 5: if you just keep making smart moves and you keep
1:05:50
Speaker 5: adding little depth, pieces you, know all of that stuff
1:05:53
Speaker 5: adds up to the sum of the hole and that
1:05:55
Speaker 5: and that's what The knicks, did and that's the that's
1:05:58
Speaker 5: what you could take away from.
1:05:59
Speaker 2: It Tony jones Of The athletic is our guest here
1:06:02
Speaker 2: on The sean O'Connell, show talking about the result of
1:06:05
Speaker 2: THE Nba. Final we'll get to Some Mutah jazz discussion
1:06:07
Speaker 2: and upcoming draft here in just a.
1:06:09
Speaker 1: Second did you.
1:06:11
Speaker 2: See anything from a Young spurs squad From victor Wembin
1:06:14
Speaker 2: yama in you, know some situations where they choked away
1:06:17
Speaker 2: leads that is of actual concern and you don't think is,
1:06:21
Speaker 2: correctable you, know pretty, QUICKLY.
1:06:25
Speaker 5: I, See i'm just of the opinion that they didn't.
1:06:28
Speaker 5: Choke The knicks took you from. Them you, know if
1:06:31
Speaker 5: you if you, lose if you lose in the exact
1:06:35
Speaker 5: same time four times out of five and three of
1:06:38
Speaker 5: those games are at, home then it's not a. Choke
1:06:42
Speaker 5: that the other team is just better well in those
1:06:45
Speaker 5: spots than you.
1:06:46
Speaker 2: Are, yeah BUT i mean there were some things where
1:06:49
Speaker 2: like The spurs were up twenty points and shooting eight
1:06:53
Speaker 2: threes consecutively like. That credit to The knicks for taking
1:06:57
Speaker 2: advantage of the mistakes that The knicks were making or
1:06:59
Speaker 2: that The spurs were. Making but, like some of that
1:07:02
Speaker 2: was self, inflicted and obviously you have to be a
1:07:04
Speaker 2: great team in order to make a team like The
1:07:06
Speaker 2: spurs pay for. That but some of it was, Like
1:07:09
Speaker 2: Mitch johnson will never do that, again you would, hope.
1:07:11
Speaker 5: Right so it's actually really interesting that you that you
1:07:17
Speaker 5: brought that, up And i'm gonna disagree with. That and
1:07:20
Speaker 5: this is why what The spurs did to The. Knicks
1:07:26
Speaker 5: if you notice they came out every single, game and
1:07:30
Speaker 5: they were extending and guarding ninety four feet every. Time you,
1:07:36
Speaker 5: know just you, know pedal to the, metal full court.
1:07:40
Speaker 5: Defense we're gonna Harass Jalen. Brunson we're gonna harass Every
1:07:44
Speaker 5: knicks ball. Handler and they. Were they built the lead
1:07:48
Speaker 5: every single game because their legs were, fresh they were making.
1:07:52
Speaker 5: Shots and then what happened in the second half when
1:07:56
Speaker 5: they kept doing, that the shots stopped going. In they
1:08:00
Speaker 5: started turning the ball over because they punched themselves. Out
1:08:03
Speaker 5: they played rope for five games Like George foreman And Muhammad,
1:08:07
Speaker 5: ali and they paid for. It and that's my self.
1:08:10
Speaker 5: Inflicted that's The knicks just being better and more well
1:08:16
Speaker 5: conditioned over over forty eight. Minutes that's why people always
1:08:20
Speaker 5: say you can't full court pressure in AN nba game
1:08:24
Speaker 5: for forty eight. Minutes there's too many. Possessions the game
1:08:28
Speaker 5: is too. Fast the possessions go too fast because there's
1:08:31
Speaker 5: only twenty four seconds every. Possession and The spurs tried
1:08:35
Speaker 5: to do that and they punched themselves out in every
1:08:38
Speaker 5: single game and they had nothing. Left so you, know
1:08:43
Speaker 5: to your, point if you're victor Win, byama you got
1:08:47
Speaker 5: to get in better condition AND i think that that's you,
1:08:51
Speaker 5: know something that can be wrecked with can can be
1:08:54
Speaker 5: rectified in an. Offseason and then if you're a victor WIN,
1:08:57
Speaker 5: byama you have to, find you, know something that you
1:09:01
Speaker 5: can go to in the last five minutes of a.
1:09:03
Speaker 5: Game you, know he had no idea what he wanted
1:09:06
Speaker 5: to do offensively in high level. Situations that's something that
1:09:10
Speaker 5: usually comes with, time.
1:09:13
Speaker 4: You.
1:09:13
Speaker 5: Know but, OVERALL i just think The knicks were the better.
1:09:15
Speaker 5: Team and you, KNOW i think that there's, this you,
1:09:19
Speaker 5: know talk that The spurs choked away you, know three
1:09:22
Speaker 5: or four games of the, series AND i just don't
1:09:24
Speaker 5: see it that. WAY i think The knicks took every
1:09:27
Speaker 5: game of the, series AND i think that the better
1:09:29
Speaker 5: team won the series because The knicks were the better
1:09:33
Speaker 5: team over forty eight, minutes not twenty four minutes or twelve.
1:09:36
Speaker 2: Minutes, WELL i won't debate, that AND i don't think
1:09:38
Speaker 2: there is a debate on, that because you, know credit
1:09:40
Speaker 2: where is due to The New York knicks for being
1:09:43
Speaker 2: the deserving team to win this. Championship and the scenes
1:09:47
Speaker 2: were absolutely. Epic like we, said all, right moving on
1:09:52
Speaker 2: to THE Nba draft coming up and some things happening
1:09:55
Speaker 2: in The Utah jazz, World Darren peterson is not working
1:09:58
Speaker 2: out for The Utah. Jazz we've been through this before
1:10:02
Speaker 2: With Ace bailey very, recently where you, know everyone got
1:10:05
Speaker 2: all up in arms about, it and there was some
1:10:08
Speaker 2: narratives about all that means he doesn't want to be.
1:10:10
Speaker 2: Here there were conversations about how much it matters if
1:10:12
Speaker 2: a player wants to be in a certain place or.
1:10:15
Speaker 2: Not how do you interpret no workout for The Utah
1:10:19
Speaker 2: jazz from the projected number one or two pick a
1:10:22
Speaker 2: guy that is very likely to end up in a jazz.
1:10:25
Speaker 5: UNIFORM i think it's like the biggest nothing burger of
1:10:29
Speaker 5: all nothing burgers of nothing burgers of all. Time and you,
1:10:35
Speaker 5: know The jazz don't. Care if you Know Darren peterson's
1:10:39
Speaker 5: there at number two And Darren peterson is the guy
1:10:42
Speaker 5: that The jazz want to, Draft they're not going to
1:10:45
Speaker 5: hesitate to draft. Them if you know The jazz are number,
1:10:49
Speaker 5: two and you know A Da banson went number one
1:10:53
Speaker 5: and The jazz Picked Cameron boozer Over Darren, peterson it
1:10:57
Speaker 5: means That Cameron boozer was the number one player on their,
1:11:00
Speaker 5: board Not Darren. Peterson SO i mean you know when
1:11:04
Speaker 5: you when you're around long enough And i've been around
1:11:08
Speaker 5: this since twenty, fourteen you, know you see all of
1:11:12
Speaker 5: the posturing and you, see you, know all of the
1:11:14
Speaker 5: pre draft, stuff and you know it's it just is
1:11:18
Speaker 5: what it. Is it always happens like that during you,
1:11:22
Speaker 5: know during the, week you, know during the week the
1:11:26
Speaker 5: week's leading up to the. Draft Ace bailey didn't work
1:11:28
Speaker 5: out for anybody last. Year, uh you, know so it
1:11:31
Speaker 5: wasn't just A jazz he didn't work out. For he
1:11:33
Speaker 5: had a workout schedule for The. Sixers. Uh he canceled on.
1:11:37
Speaker 5: That you, know he, was you, know clearly trying to
1:11:40
Speaker 5: get To washington because you Know washington had a handshake,
1:11:43
Speaker 5: deal uh to to to Hire Omar. Cooper so you,
1:11:48
Speaker 5: know it didn't. Matter The jazz DRAFTED ms, five and you,
1:11:53
Speaker 5: know everything's been you, know relatively honky dory for For
1:11:57
Speaker 5: ace and The jazz ever. Since you, know it'll be
1:11:59
Speaker 5: that way with What Darren peterson if The jazz draft.
1:12:03
Speaker 5: Him and by the, way If I'm Darren, PETERSON i
1:12:06
Speaker 5: very much want to come To utah Because utah is
1:12:09
Speaker 5: by far the best stick For Darren peterson in this.
1:12:13
Speaker 5: Draft you, know so to, me it's it's. NOTHING i
1:12:18
Speaker 5: understand the hand, RINGING i understand the, TALK i understand
1:12:22
Speaker 5: you know why the conversation. Exists but you, know for,
1:12:25
Speaker 5: me you, know it just it just doesn't matter one
1:12:29
Speaker 5: way or the. Other The, jazz you, know have long
1:12:33
Speaker 5: proven that they will they will draft somebody who hasn't
1:12:36
Speaker 5: worked out for. Him they did in twenty fourteen when
1:12:39
Speaker 5: they Drafted Dante, ExHAM they did last year when they
1:12:42
Speaker 5: drafted they. Sparely they'll do so this year if they
1:12:44
Speaker 5: Draft Aaron.
1:12:45
Speaker 1: Peterson you AND i have not spoken since that little.
1:12:50
Speaker 2: Survey the results of that survey came out That memphis
1:12:53
Speaker 2: is the least desirable location AMONG nba, players at least
1:12:58
Speaker 2: the one, surveyed AND i think The jazz were like
1:13:00
Speaker 2: fifth from, last which is upward mobility for A Utah jazz.
1:13:04
Speaker 2: Franchise how much has the reputation of the, franchise the,
1:13:09
Speaker 2: community the destination as a place to play really changed
1:13:13
Speaker 2: for The. Jazz kind of on the spirit of the
1:13:16
Speaker 2: same sort of, Question.
1:13:19
Speaker 5: I'll tell you a little Known Tony jones. Story so twenty,
1:13:24
Speaker 5: Twelve i'm ticked off BECAUSE i just got passed over
1:13:30
Speaker 5: for the jazz job and at The Salt lichu. Being you,
1:13:35
Speaker 5: KNOW i was up for the jazz. JOB i didn't get.
1:13:38
Speaker 5: It they went with somebody. ELSE i THOUGHT i should
1:13:43
Speaker 5: have gotten. IT i was picked off that THAT i didn't.
1:13:48
Speaker 5: Uh and then so you, know out of, nowhere The
1:13:53
Speaker 5: memphis The Memphis Commercial appeal comes calling and they have
1:13:58
Speaker 5: a job Covering. MEMPHIS i think it was Like memphis
1:14:04
Speaker 5: football AND i would be you, KNOW i would have
1:14:09
Speaker 5: been the backup on The Memphis grizzlies. Tea and this
1:14:13
Speaker 5: was twenty. Twelve my kids were eight and three at the. Time,
1:14:17
Speaker 5: so you, KNOW i go down To. Memphis they bring
1:14:21
Speaker 5: me down for an interview AND i interview with you,
1:14:26
Speaker 5: know the. PAPER i loved the interview with the. PAPER
1:14:29
Speaker 5: i love the. People they took me to one of
1:14:31
Speaker 5: the barbecue. Joints the food was, great and you, know
1:14:36
Speaker 5: three quarters through the, Interview i'm, thinking, wow you, KNOW
1:14:39
Speaker 5: i Think i'm about to come To. Memphis and then
1:14:41
Speaker 5: they took me on the tour of the. City and
1:14:44
Speaker 5: on that tour of the, city when they took me
1:14:47
Speaker 5: around the, city my one thought WAS i cannot do
1:14:51
Speaker 5: this to my. Kids and that was the end of.
1:14:57
Speaker 5: Me moving To, memphis SO i kind of understand. It you,
1:15:05
Speaker 5: KNOW i don't know how The grizzlies as an organization
1:15:09
Speaker 5: treats their, players you, KNOW i do, know in, comparison
1:15:14
Speaker 5: how To jazz treat their, players which is you, know
1:15:18
Speaker 5: like really a plus in terms of, facilities in terms of,
1:15:22
Speaker 5: amenities things like, that you, know AND i think that
1:15:25
Speaker 5: that makes a. Difference but you, Know memphis as a
1:15:29
Speaker 5: city is you, know sad to. SAY i, mean it's
1:15:33
Speaker 5: kind of rundown and it's not the greatest. Place it's
1:15:40
Speaker 5: not the greatest place to raise the. Family so you,
1:15:43
Speaker 5: KNOW i kind of understand WHERE nba players are coming.
1:15:46
Speaker 5: FROM i probably wouldn't have said it as directly and you,
1:15:51
Speaker 5: know unabashedly as a lot of players are saying, it
1:15:54
Speaker 5: BECAUSE i think that you, know obviously they are, hurts
1:15:57
Speaker 5: they're going to be, hurt feelings, Involved but you, know
1:16:00
Speaker 5: it's it's not something that's come out of, nowhere AND
1:16:03
Speaker 5: i don't think that there's something that's.
1:16:05
Speaker 2: Unfounded last thing BEFORE i let you, go the apparent
1:16:10
Speaker 2: impact that has been reached in The Walker kessler extension.
1:16:13
Speaker 2: Negotiations what's what's going to get us over this.
1:16:16
Speaker 5: Hump, WELL i think it's it's it's become a delicate
1:16:27
Speaker 5: situation Because i'm not sure that at this point that
1:16:32
Speaker 5: it's actually even about the money at this, point you.
1:16:37
Speaker 5: Know SO i, think you, know if if you're The
1:16:41
Speaker 5: jazz and you Are Walker kessler And Walker kessler's, people you,
1:16:48
Speaker 5: know just getting into a, room AND i think it's
1:16:52
Speaker 5: gonna TAKE i don't even think it's going to take one.
1:16:55
Speaker 5: MEETING i think it would take you, know several several
1:16:58
Speaker 5: conversations and several days of you, know face to face
1:17:02
Speaker 5: conversations of kind of kind of you, know getting grievances
1:17:07
Speaker 5: and frustrations out on both, sides and you, know just
1:17:12
Speaker 5: expectations going. FORWARD i, still you, know overwhelmingly think That
1:17:21
Speaker 5: Walker Walker kessler will be in a jazz uniform in
1:17:23
Speaker 5: the year twenty twenty, six twenty twenty. Seven my question
1:17:27
Speaker 5: is how long he will be in a jazz uniform
1:17:31
Speaker 5: beyond the year twenty twenty, six twenty twenty. Seven AND
1:17:35
Speaker 5: i think that you, know for the roster that The
1:17:39
Speaker 5: jazz have, Constructed Walker kessler's value is absolute to The
1:17:45
Speaker 5: jazz if they plan on getting stops and high, level
1:17:49
Speaker 5: high leverage and high level. Situations Walker kessler better be
1:17:54
Speaker 5: on the floor because there are not a lot of
1:17:57
Speaker 5: point of attack defenders on the, roster and there are
1:18:00
Speaker 5: a lot a lot of the people on this roster
1:18:03
Speaker 5: who can keep other people in front of them at
1:18:05
Speaker 5: a high. Level, so you, KNOW i, think you, know
1:18:11
Speaker 5: just going beyond, that the two, sides you, know just
1:18:16
Speaker 5: have to talk some things out because you, know LIKE i,
1:18:20
Speaker 5: SAID i don't think at this point that you, KNOW
1:18:24
Speaker 5: i don't think that at this point this is a
1:18:27
Speaker 5: normal contract and. PASTING i think this goes beyond. That
1:18:32
Speaker 5: AND i think that they're they're. There there needs to
1:18:37
Speaker 5: be some mending on both. Sides.
1:18:39
Speaker 2: Interesting we will keep a closer eye on. It congrats
1:18:45
Speaker 2: on your next winning. It appreciate you giving us some.
1:18:48
Speaker 5: Time thank you so.
1:18:49
Speaker 1: Much, yeah thank.
1:18:50
Speaker 5: YOU i shall go streaking again with clothes, on with clothes,
1:18:55
Speaker 5: on with clothes, on with clothes.
1:18:57
Speaker 1: On all, right love you, dude miss you shat your.
1:19:00
Speaker 5: Time let's shoot my. Guy appreciate you. Guys thanks to
1:19:04
Speaker 5: you And james as Always.
1:19:05
Speaker 2: Tony jons of The. Athletic all, right we take a
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Speaker 1: Doing, great excited to talk a Little World.
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Speaker 2: CUP i will freely admit, that you, know soccer is
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Speaker 2: not exactly my, wheelhouse but kind of like with The,
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Speaker 2: OLYMPICS i get caught up in the hype every four,
1:20:41
Speaker 2: years AND i have found that especially with this as
1:20:44
Speaker 2: A North American World cup played in cities and oftentimes
1:20:47
Speaker 2: in Stadiums i've been. To i've, Seen i've, watched you,
1:20:50
Speaker 2: know the the regular denizens of those stadiums. Occupy it's
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Speaker 2: really really fascinating to see the way, that you, know
1:20:57
Speaker 2: the international community has descended Upon North america and These
1:21:01
Speaker 2: american stadiums in. Particular AND i just kind of wanted
1:21:04
Speaker 2: your perspective, on you, know what This World cup really,
1:21:09
Speaker 2: means especially as A North American World cup and the
1:21:13
Speaker 2: one being played in The United, states Where TEAM usa
1:21:16
Speaker 2: off to a really good.
1:21:17
Speaker 1: Start we can get to that here in a, second.
1:21:18
Speaker 2: But just a host nation that probably needs a little
1:21:21
Speaker 2: good pr right, now AND i think that the tournament
1:21:25
Speaker 2: is providing, it at least so.
1:21:26
Speaker 7: Far, YEAH i think it certainly. IS i think in
1:21:29
Speaker 7: terms of trying to describe what this tournament, MEANS i
1:21:32
Speaker 7: think it depends on your own perspective as. Such BUT
1:21:34
Speaker 7: i love the fact that In North america now we're
1:21:37
Speaker 7: gett a chance to see how significant The World cup.
1:21:39
Speaker 7: IS i think somebody like yourself and millions of, others you,
1:21:43
Speaker 7: know they know, Soccer they don't necessarily appreciate, soccer they
1:21:46
Speaker 7: casually watch, soccer but you very quickly realize that fans
1:21:49
Speaker 7: from all around the, world like this tournament is everything to,
1:21:52
Speaker 7: them and that's why they travel from far and wide
1:21:55
Speaker 7: to get a chance to come to watch their team
1:21:57
Speaker 7: wherever they're. Playing, like how why they're sole These scott's In.
1:22:00
Speaker 7: Boston you know why there's so Many argentinians in this,
1:22:02
Speaker 7: place why there's so many people in that. Place and as,
1:22:05
Speaker 7: well you get the people from around the country as
1:22:08
Speaker 7: well who have links to these other countries coming forward
1:22:10
Speaker 7: and you get a chance to feel the atmosphere because
1:22:13
Speaker 7: for these, guys the, soccer the games is everything to.
1:22:16
Speaker 7: Them this is their. IDENTITY i think even when you
1:22:18
Speaker 7: look at the very first game that was heard and
1:22:20
Speaker 7: Ral jimnez scores a goal For mexico and you see
1:22:22
Speaker 7: him brought to, tears but they're people crying in the
1:22:24
Speaker 7: stadium as. Well the people Around mexico almost brought to.
1:22:27
Speaker 7: Tears you see the goal When canada scored In toronto
1:22:30
Speaker 7: and the passion from all those fans as. Well and FOR,
1:22:32
Speaker 7: USA i think it was eighteen million people watched the,
1:22:35
Speaker 7: game the very first game Against, paraguay which WAS i
1:22:38
Speaker 7: believe was a telecast record In english. Language so you
1:22:41
Speaker 7: see the significance and you see how other teams feel
1:22:44
Speaker 7: about the tournament as, well and it's been very very
1:22:46
Speaker 7: well supported so, far and they've been some good games as.
1:22:48
Speaker 2: Well how surprised were you by that result Against padaguay
1:22:52
Speaker 2: for THE us men's national. Team you, know four to
1:22:55
Speaker 2: one is probably not what a lot of people had
1:22:57
Speaker 2: on the bingo card they. Got the scoring started early
1:23:00
Speaker 2: and really dominated a lot of that.
1:23:02
Speaker 1: Game And paraguay is a decent.
1:23:04
Speaker 2: SQUAD i don't, know you know much better about you,
1:23:06
Speaker 2: know where they stack up with the rest of this.
1:23:08
Speaker 2: Field but were you surprised by that first game result FOR?
1:23:12
Speaker 7: USA i THINK i think two things can be, true
1:23:15
Speaker 7: AND i Think paraguay is very much, Underperformed but THEN
1:23:18
Speaker 7: i also believe some of that was because THE usa were,
1:23:19
Speaker 7: excellent AND i think when we talk about THE usa in,
1:23:22
Speaker 7: particular do you know The Golden generation, talk then a
1:23:25
Speaker 7: lot of it's been about, potential AND i think for
1:23:27
Speaker 7: the last few, years know when this tournament's coming, up
1:23:29
Speaker 7: this is the thing that's had the big circle around.
1:23:31
Speaker 7: It how are they going to perform on this in
1:23:33
Speaker 7: this competition that's based at home for, them and they
1:23:36
Speaker 7: were very much on the front. Foot they put so
1:23:38
Speaker 7: much pressure On, paraguay the noises up in the, crowd
1:23:41
Speaker 7: the players well and truly up for, it and they
1:23:43
Speaker 7: basically took total control of the, game which was a
1:23:45
Speaker 7: surprise to. Many BUT i think when you see how
1:23:47
Speaker 7: good those players, are should understand that this is a
1:23:49
Speaker 7: type of thing that can. HAPPEN i think it's very
1:23:52
Speaker 7: it's worth not going too far in terms of, excitement
1:23:54
Speaker 7: believe and that everything is going to be positive now
1:23:56
Speaker 7: because football soccer can hit you with some real harsh
1:23:59
Speaker 7: realities very. Quickly but to be able to have that,
1:24:01
Speaker 7: game for those, players to make, history for those players
1:24:04
Speaker 7: to feel that support from the, NATION i think that's.
1:24:07
Speaker 7: Huge AND i think from A paraguay standpoint and anybody
1:24:10
Speaker 7: that's going to be facing THE us in this, tournament
1:24:12
Speaker 7: whereas for some teams it will feel like it's a
1:24:14
Speaker 7: neutral venue that you're playing your games. In any time
1:24:16
Speaker 7: you play AGAINST, usa you play Against, mexico And mexico
1:24:19
Speaker 7: Or canada In canada is very much an away fixture
1:24:21
Speaker 7: AND i think The paraguayans really felt that and they
1:24:24
Speaker 7: suffered because of. It so a team that was known
1:24:26
Speaker 7: for being so defensively, good all of a sudden there
1:24:30
Speaker 7: was no way they could handle the attack from THE.
1:24:31
Speaker 7: Usa and you, know that's probably going to be a
1:24:33
Speaker 7: common team you.
1:24:35
Speaker 2: Mentioned you, know the reality check can happen quite quickly
1:24:38
Speaker 2: in This World cup for THE us men's national. Team
1:24:41
Speaker 2: how likely is it that you start to confront that
1:24:44
Speaker 2: On friday when you take on An australia team THAT
1:24:46
Speaker 2: i think also some people felt overperformed in their first.
1:24:49
Speaker 3: Match.
1:24:50
Speaker 7: YEAH i think they overperformed in sort of different ways,
1:24:53
Speaker 7: though because THE usa were favored to potentially win their,
1:24:56
Speaker 7: group because the talk was the third group game is
1:24:59
Speaker 7: going to be the most important one Against, turkyo where
1:25:02
Speaker 7: whoever wins was probably gonna finish top of the. Group
1:25:04
Speaker 7: so there was an expectation that they would build. There
1:25:06
Speaker 7: there wasn't any real expectation On australia to be successful
1:25:09
Speaker 7: and WHAT i like is For australia's, underdogs they're sort
1:25:12
Speaker 7: of clicking up everything that someone's, saying like even this
1:25:15
Speaker 7: call now they might pick up. Today they're very much
1:25:17
Speaker 7: going against, us you, know the bulletin board material type,
1:25:20
Speaker 7: stuff and they're going to be a tough side to
1:25:22
Speaker 7: play against because essentially everyone that's here is qualified to be,
1:25:25
Speaker 7: here you, know they deserve to be, here and they're
1:25:27
Speaker 7: good enough to be able to cause. Trouble like yesterday
1:25:29
Speaker 7: we Saw Cape verd go up Against. Spain we were
1:25:31
Speaker 7: fancy to win the whole thing and you, know and
1:25:33
Speaker 7: tire the. Game so who's to say That australia can't
1:25:35
Speaker 7: cause an upset as? Such BUT i still really like
1:25:38
Speaker 7: THIS us. SIDE i like the whole advantage that they,
1:25:40
Speaker 7: have and if everybody can remain fit and you, know
1:25:43
Speaker 7: can maintain the momentum that they, have it might not
1:25:46
Speaker 7: be like a four to one blowout. Again BUT i
1:25:48
Speaker 7: still believe that in their group they are the best
1:25:50
Speaker 7: side And i'm confident that they'll be able to get
1:25:52
Speaker 7: a result On.
1:25:52
Speaker 2: Friday i'm glad you brought up The Cape verd In
1:25:55
Speaker 2: spain scoreless draw to start the action.
1:25:57
Speaker 1: Yesterday how much of that was.
1:26:00
Speaker 2: A function Of spain MAYBE i mean not really Taking katebird.
1:26:06
Speaker 7: Seriously so this is where my bass will kick in
1:26:11
Speaker 7: AND i will present this on the table and say
1:26:13
Speaker 7: too that there aren't many players THAT i played with
1:26:15
Speaker 7: that wouldn't take a game. Seriously BUT i think what
1:26:18
Speaker 7: happens is the realities of who you're playing against kicking
1:26:20
Speaker 7: in a little bit more when the game. Begins Because capebird,
1:26:23
Speaker 7: themselves in terms Of african, qualifying they're a very very doggy,
1:26:25
Speaker 7: team difficult team to play. Against they played then their
1:26:29
Speaker 7: own confederations club Like askon earlier in the, year and
1:26:33
Speaker 7: their defensive record was very very. Good within the tournament
1:26:35
Speaker 7: they made it into the knockout. Rounds so most people
1:26:38
Speaker 7: underestimate an opponent based upon the fact that you don't
1:26:41
Speaker 7: see them very. Often but when you do then go
1:26:43
Speaker 7: tell to told, them you realize that these guys are
1:26:45
Speaker 7: all professional as. Well you know they're playing for something as.
1:26:48
Speaker 7: WELL i think you saw the, goalkeeper the four year
1:26:50
Speaker 7: old goalkeeper at the end of the game for, them
1:26:53
Speaker 7: you know he's brought to tears because this is how
1:26:54
Speaker 7: much it meant to. Him so when you come up
1:26:56
Speaker 7: against the team of players who are desperate to get
1:26:59
Speaker 7: a result and you have maybe an off. Day WHEN
1:27:01
Speaker 7: i say an off, THERE i don't mean like. OVERALL
1:27:03
Speaker 7: i mean in terms of not being able to take their,
1:27:05
Speaker 7: chances because according to the, chances they should have won the.
1:27:07
Speaker 7: Game AND i think when people miss, chances it's not
1:27:09
Speaker 7: because they're not taking it, seriously it's just because they're
1:27:11
Speaker 7: not executed on the.
1:27:12
Speaker 3: Day SO i.
1:27:13
Speaker 7: Wouldn't level that criticism At, spain AND i think on
1:27:15
Speaker 7: a different, day maybe the win that game comes through
1:27:17
Speaker 7: maybe nine times out of ten to win the game
1:27:19
Speaker 7: comes to be in the way that they. Played but
1:27:21
Speaker 7: again for, them it's also reminded that this is going
1:27:23
Speaker 7: to be, very very, difficult but each team that you
1:27:25
Speaker 7: play against is subtly. Different and For spain maybe this
1:27:29
Speaker 7: is ralty chat that they need to go and win
1:27:30
Speaker 7: it all because if we go back four, years there's
1:27:32
Speaker 7: One Saudi arabia that Beat Leonel Messis argentina in the
1:27:35
Speaker 7: very first group, game but by the end of the
1:27:37
Speaker 7: tournament it Was argentina lifting the. Trophy so you, know
1:27:40
Speaker 7: never taken it in for, granted but make sure that
1:27:42
Speaker 7: you're you're ready for the challenges.
1:27:43
Speaker 2: Ahead plenty left to be, played, obviously but have you
1:27:46
Speaker 2: seen anything in these first few days of the tournament
1:27:51
Speaker 2: that maybe you, said all, right we got to Take
1:27:53
Speaker 2: japan more. Seriously has anyone sort of jumped out to
1:27:57
Speaker 2: you as as a team that maybe below longs on
1:28:00
Speaker 2: your radar and wasn't in the first.
1:28:02
Speaker 7: PLACE i think For World, cups everyone has different. Expectations you,
1:28:07
Speaker 7: know there will probably be four or five teams that
1:28:09
Speaker 7: generally believe that they should be winning the whole. Thing
1:28:11
Speaker 7: they understand OUT i think it would, be but believe
1:28:12
Speaker 7: that it should be winning the whole. Thing then if
1:28:14
Speaker 7: you've got teams like THE us On Home, soul who
1:28:17
Speaker 7: aren't really about potential. Anymore it's about the relative of
1:28:19
Speaker 7: how good that they, are and they're wondering how far
1:28:21
Speaker 7: they can go this fee this feels. Different but then
1:28:24
Speaker 7: there's a sort of team caught in between those two,
1:28:26
Speaker 7: stores which in my mind Is, germany a team that's
1:28:29
Speaker 7: won The World cup not that long, ago a team that,
1:28:31
Speaker 7: is you, know historically very very good at this stage
1:28:35
Speaker 7: and not many people believe that they would be in
1:28:37
Speaker 7: the final stages of the competition and do. Well but
1:28:39
Speaker 7: they played against PUTASAR i think it, was and it
1:28:43
Speaker 7: went one, one and everyone's, like, hmm this is. Interesting
1:28:46
Speaker 7: maybe this is The germany side that we anticipated on
1:28:48
Speaker 7: the one that was going to, struggle and then they
1:28:50
Speaker 7: won the game seven. ONE i think anytime you scored
1:28:52
Speaker 7: seven goals at a, TOURNAMENT i think people need to
1:28:55
Speaker 7: take you a bit more. Seriously And i'm not sure
1:28:56
Speaker 7: what their odds would be like now in terms, of you,
1:28:59
Speaker 7: know chances of winning, it but it's just a gentle
1:29:01
Speaker 7: reminder that this team that has all the history in
1:29:03
Speaker 7: their favor that's been written off by so, many myself,
1:29:06
Speaker 7: included can really go up against, anyone and then when they're,
1:29:09
Speaker 7: ruthless you know they can score goals like this, because
1:29:11
Speaker 7: LIKE i, say spain less, today they couldn't score Against Cape.
1:29:14
Speaker 7: Verd jeremy scored seven against a similar level of, Opposition
1:29:18
Speaker 7: so maybe they're ready to.
1:29:19
Speaker 2: Go France senegal will start here in about fifteen, minutes
1:29:24
Speaker 2: and there are a lot of people who are very
1:29:27
Speaker 2: high On france right. Now senegal obviously has some serious.
1:29:31
Speaker 2: Athleticism what do you think this game is going to
1:29:34
Speaker 2: look like starting in.
1:29:35
Speaker 1: A Few.
1:29:37
Speaker 7: So i'm very much rooting for this to be game
1:29:40
Speaker 7: as a tournament so, far because there's a lot of
1:29:43
Speaker 7: really good attacking talent in terms of the skill and
1:29:45
Speaker 7: technique on both. Sides there's a lot of, athleticism as you,
1:29:48
Speaker 7: say from both, sides and players who are willing to
1:29:50
Speaker 7: take risks and you, know do something that's a little bit.
1:29:52
Speaker 7: Different whether we're talking About Michael lilise who was playing
1:29:55
Speaker 7: of the season in The German. Bundesliga you, know you're
1:29:57
Speaker 7: looking At desredu ways just when the The Champions league
1:30:00
Speaker 7: with Parisnjer man And bape who's top scoring In La,
1:30:03
Speaker 7: liga or you Know sadie Or mane who's won The Champions,
1:30:06
Speaker 7: league who's One Premier league, Titles he's done all this
1:30:09
Speaker 7: type of. Stuff AND i think For senegal as. Well
1:30:12
Speaker 7: obviously it depends on your, perspective but they are technically
1:30:14
Speaker 7: the team that won The afcon, final so they work
1:30:18
Speaker 7: around the best team In africa before you, know some
1:30:20
Speaker 7: of the listigation and. Stuff so this will be a
1:30:23
Speaker 7: really really good matchup BECAUSE i think some of the
1:30:25
Speaker 7: strengths That franz Have, Senegal i've got the ability to
1:30:27
Speaker 7: counter them and as a, consequence this will be a
1:30:30
Speaker 7: really open. GAME i THINK i, hope and if it's the,
1:30:33
Speaker 7: CASE i still Think france will, win BUT i think
1:30:36
Speaker 7: it could be a very high scoring game from both,
1:30:39
Speaker 7: sides which is exactly what you want to do to
1:30:40
Speaker 7: start the.
1:30:41
Speaker 2: Day Native have you liked the coverage so far on
1:30:44
Speaker 2: television here in This North American World?
1:30:46
Speaker 7: Cup that is a very good question if. You If
1:30:53
Speaker 7: i'm going to, Say i'm going to say yes and. No,
1:30:57
Speaker 7: Yes and NOW i think some of it feels a
1:30:59
Speaker 7: little over commercialized as. SUCH i think certain people that
1:31:04
Speaker 7: are speaking about the, games the chemistry is not necessarily always.
1:31:07
Speaker 7: GREAT i think there's a real emphasis on these like
1:31:10
Speaker 7: hydration breaks and, stuff but it feels just like a
1:31:12
Speaker 7: game of football has being split into four. Quarters but
1:31:16
Speaker 7: maybe some of these are just the biases THAT i
1:31:18
Speaker 7: carry with me coming over to THE, Us and if
1:31:19
Speaker 7: this is the way that it's going to, be then.
1:31:21
Speaker 7: Fine BUT i think there's been some players who haven't
1:31:23
Speaker 7: necessarily liked, it and from a viewing, standpoint that the
1:31:26
Speaker 7: game doesn't necessarily seem like it's the most important thing
1:31:29
Speaker 7: to all the broadcasters all the, time WHICH i, think
1:31:32
Speaker 7: in my, opinion misses the.
1:31:33
Speaker 3: Point.
1:31:34
Speaker 2: WELL i think that's WHY i asked the, question because,
1:31:37
Speaker 2: Again i'm not someone who watches international football all the.
1:31:40
Speaker 2: Time i'm not someone who watches a ton of even
1:31:42
Speaker 2: major league, soccer and WHEN i watch A World, CUP
1:31:46
Speaker 2: i expect it to be the, game the, form the
1:31:50
Speaker 2: match itself is center staged and you, know but, yeah
1:31:56
Speaker 2: we've got four quarters, now hydration, breaks in climate controlled,
1:31:59
Speaker 2: stadiums things like, that AND i want the. NOVELTY i
1:32:03
Speaker 2: want it to be different than What i'm used to
1:32:05
Speaker 2: And i've been surprised at how much it feels like
1:32:07
Speaker 2: AN nfl broadcast in a lot of.
1:32:09
Speaker 7: Ways, yeah, yeah and in some, ways LIKE i don't
1:32:13
Speaker 7: know the ins and outs of how this all came to,
1:32:15
Speaker 7: be and there's certain competition rules to where what happens
1:32:17
Speaker 7: in one game needs to happen in the. Other but
1:32:19
Speaker 7: it does feel. DIFFERENT i think most people that have
1:32:21
Speaker 7: watched soccer throughout their, life they're looking at this tournament
1:32:25
Speaker 7: saying that it feels, different and in some, ways in my,
1:32:28
Speaker 7: opinion probably didn't need. To but this is where we're at,
1:32:31
Speaker 7: now this is how they're deciding to go and try
1:32:33
Speaker 7: and do. It even the emphasis, on like you, know
1:32:35
Speaker 7: showing celebrities in the audience and so. On that's not
1:32:37
Speaker 7: really like a soccer thing because most like soccer fans
1:32:40
Speaker 7: are about the game itself and always will be about
1:32:43
Speaker 7: the game, itself whereas NOW i think this kind of
1:32:45
Speaker 7: feels like a bit more about the show and making
1:32:47
Speaker 7: sure you've got spaces to advertise things WHICH i don't,
1:32:51
Speaker 7: Know LIKE i, Say i'm, Trying i'm trying not to
1:32:54
Speaker 7: sit on the. FENCE i don't really like, it But
1:32:56
Speaker 7: i'm not in. Control and maybe this isn't for. Me
1:32:58
Speaker 7: but the thing that's for me is football that's going,
1:33:00
Speaker 7: on and you, know so far from the best players
1:33:02
Speaker 7: in the world have started to show us what they can.
1:33:04
Speaker 1: Do this is a very POINTED rsl.
1:33:08
Speaker 2: Question in your professional, career were you ever teammates with
1:33:13
Speaker 2: did you ever have a close relationship with someone who
1:33:16
Speaker 2: maybe thought they would be part of A World cup,
1:33:19
Speaker 2: selection thought they would have an opportunity to represent their
1:33:22
Speaker 2: nation and then they were, snubbed and then of course
1:33:25
Speaker 2: after the international break they come back and what effect
1:33:28
Speaker 2: that might.
1:33:28
Speaker 7: Have, yeah so are we talking About. Luna we talked About,
1:33:32
Speaker 7: gogo who talked About.
1:33:33
Speaker 1: LUNA i think more, pointedly But gozo you could make
1:33:36
Speaker 1: a case.
1:33:36
Speaker 7: ALSO i think during my time, there there wasn't a
1:33:41
Speaker 7: sense of disappointment about say a tournament this major. BOT
1:33:45
Speaker 7: i remember in my first, Season i'm going into the second,
1:33:48
Speaker 7: Season Corey baird had just been vaulted The rookie of
1:33:51
Speaker 7: The season for r IN, mls and he was in
1:33:54
Speaker 7: and around THE us men's national team and he was
1:33:57
Speaker 7: being considered quite, heavily and then he wasn't, selected AND
1:34:01
Speaker 7: i remember the disappointment that he had and for my time,
1:34:04
Speaker 7: there BECAUSE i really liked playing With, COREY i don't
1:34:07
Speaker 7: think he performed to the same level, again AND i
1:34:10
Speaker 7: THINK i don't know what the reasons would be for,
1:34:12
Speaker 7: that but getting that call that to the national team
1:34:15
Speaker 7: would have probably been a. Springboard AND i think there's
1:34:17
Speaker 7: a level of disappointment that he felt and we felt
1:34:19
Speaker 7: for him as, well BECAUSE i think maybe there was
1:34:22
Speaker 7: there was a competition that was coming up, anyway and
1:34:24
Speaker 7: were quite fun of these chances for him to be
1:34:26
Speaker 7: able to get, in but it never. HAPPENED i think
1:34:27
Speaker 7: he maybe made the same case For Justin glad as,
1:34:30
Speaker 7: well who's had a spell where he's played spells where
1:34:32
Speaker 7: he played really, Well he's been around it and then
1:34:34
Speaker 7: he's just fallen away a little. Bit but, YEAH i
1:34:36
Speaker 7: think for For, luna there's a huge disappointment. There and
1:34:40
Speaker 7: one of the tough things about, say maybe just life in,
1:34:43
Speaker 7: general not even, soccer is that all of a, sudden
1:34:45
Speaker 7: everybody's moved on and the team looks really, good so
1:34:48
Speaker 7: it's not even the story. Anymore, yeah But i'd like
1:34:50
Speaker 7: to think that he still has a future with THE
1:34:52
Speaker 7: us men's national, side because he did well to this
1:34:54
Speaker 7: point and for him to be left out is a.
1:34:56
Speaker 7: Shame But i'm sure he's going to be supporting and
1:34:58
Speaker 7: hopefully being deep deeply, motivates has got a chance in
1:35:01
Speaker 7: the future and maybe he could be the.
1:35:02
Speaker 3: Difference.
1:35:03
Speaker 2: YEAH i think he's young enough that hopefully we'll see
1:35:06
Speaker 2: him in four years and eight years and things like.
1:35:08
Speaker 1: That last thing BEFORE i let you.
1:35:09
Speaker 2: Go we're seeing the end of an era for some
1:35:13
Speaker 2: of the biggest stars in the, game at least from
1:35:16
Speaker 2: an international in A World cup, stage at least we think,
1:35:18
Speaker 2: so you, Know Christiano ronaldo's Last World, cup most Likely
1:35:22
Speaker 2: Leo messi's Last World. Cup knowing the impact that guys
1:35:26
Speaker 2: like that those two specifically have had on the, game
1:35:28
Speaker 2: and the fact that this will be the last of
1:35:31
Speaker 2: their Six what is international, soccer international football like when
1:35:36
Speaker 2: those guys move.
1:35:37
Speaker 7: On it's a great question and one that like we
1:35:40
Speaker 7: can't necessarily even prepare for because for the last two
1:35:42
Speaker 7: decades we've not had to think about. IT i think
1:35:44
Speaker 7: we saw the generation that came before. Them but from
1:35:47
Speaker 7: when these guys have been in they've been the two
1:35:49
Speaker 7: most important players in the whole. GAME i think to
1:35:51
Speaker 7: give you my perspective. Here so for, example When Lionel
1:35:54
Speaker 7: messi moves Into, MIAMI i promise you every corner of
1:35:58
Speaker 7: the globe That i've been to has featured young kids
1:36:00
Speaker 7: wearing Into miami shirts with Line messi on the. Back
1:36:03
Speaker 7: Wherever i've been to around the, World i've seen people
1:36:05
Speaker 7: Wearing Christiano ronaldo Al nasa, shirts things THAT i never
1:36:09
Speaker 7: THOUGHT i would, see because those two go beyond any,
1:36:11
Speaker 7: team go beyond any. League and WHEN i was the
1:36:14
Speaker 7: last work up In, DOHA i remember going to watch a,
1:36:16
Speaker 7: game A portugal, game and as we were traveling over,
1:36:20
Speaker 7: there there were people from all parts Of asia Wearing
1:36:22
Speaker 7: Portugal ronaldo seven. Shirts so these two aren't just inspirations
1:36:26
Speaker 7: for like, fans you, know the inspirations for say former
1:36:29
Speaker 7: players like, myself Like Linnel messi is my favorite player
1:36:31
Speaker 7: of all. Time andy's two years younger than. Me you,
1:36:34
Speaker 7: know that's a bit of a weird thing to get
1:36:35
Speaker 7: my head, around but, yeah they've changed the game to
1:36:39
Speaker 7: where the standards that were set and the bar has
1:36:41
Speaker 7: been raised to a point where, like if you're not
1:36:43
Speaker 7: scoring a goal a game for ten, years are you
1:36:46
Speaker 7: really that?
1:36:46
Speaker 3: Good you?
1:36:47
Speaker 7: Know those two have been. Exceptional they've defined the game.
1:36:49
Speaker 7: Itself and WHAT i like, is especially with someone Like,
1:36:52
Speaker 7: ronaldo it's been about the professionalism as. Well it's about
1:36:54
Speaker 7: doing the extra and that's changed the mindset of so
1:36:57
Speaker 7: many people that, came they came after, them and they
1:37:00
Speaker 7: leave the, game the international game in particularly in a
1:37:02
Speaker 7: great position because so many have tried to be as
1:37:04
Speaker 7: successful as they, have not just in terms of their,
1:37:07
Speaker 7: ability but they're sort of love of the game and
1:37:10
Speaker 7: they're the sort of dedication work ethic required to even
1:37:12
Speaker 7: have a chance of being maybe half as good as they.
1:37:15
Speaker 2: ARE i don't know if this is a Very american
1:37:17
Speaker 2: thing or, not but we always want to, Know, okay,
1:37:19
Speaker 2: well who's the next? One then who's the Next Michael,
1:37:22
Speaker 2: Jordan who's the Next Lebron. James who's the Next Tom?
1:37:24
Speaker 2: Brady is there an obvious answer to who the next
1:37:28
Speaker 2: torch bearers are the guys who can fill that void
1:37:32
Speaker 2: When ronaldo And messi are.
1:37:33
Speaker 7: Gone, yeah SO i think the next people coming through
1:37:38
Speaker 7: they feel slightly different BECAUSE i Think ronaldo And messi
1:37:41
Speaker 7: the numbers in terms of goals and assists that they were,
1:37:43
Speaker 7: hitting no one will probably hit those numbers. Again so
1:37:46
Speaker 7: you have to look at, well he was having a
1:37:47
Speaker 7: similar sort of, impact but without you, know essentially having those,
1:37:51
Speaker 7: crazy you, know look at it twice type. Numbers so
1:37:54
Speaker 7: you're looking At fay someone like A Chillian mbappe as
1:37:56
Speaker 7: such At, realmdrid you, know who were essentially the biggest
1:37:59
Speaker 7: football club in the. Whole he's got some someone Like
1:38:04
Speaker 7: Arling harland or whatever At Manchester city who's been top
1:38:06
Speaker 7: scoring in The Premier. League but if we're going to
1:38:09
Speaker 7: talk about people who have that sort of feel like those,
1:38:11
Speaker 7: two it's Probably Limina mouth Of spain in my, opinion
1:38:15
Speaker 7: because the way that he plays like he came on
1:38:18
Speaker 7: That spain in That spain game yesterday as a nineteen
1:38:20
Speaker 7: year old and it felt like the weight of a
1:38:22
Speaker 7: nation was on his shoulders at the age of. Nineteen
1:38:25
Speaker 7: but that's because this is a guy that finished second
1:38:28
Speaker 7: in the ballon door voting to see who was the
1:38:30
Speaker 7: best player last year at nineteen years of. Age to play,
1:38:33
Speaker 7: that you, know does things that no one else can really.
1:38:36
Speaker 7: Do SO i think he's probably going to be the
1:38:38
Speaker 7: next in line in terms of people to watch out
1:38:40
Speaker 7: for the potentially in a ballon. d'Or but, then if
1:38:43
Speaker 7: we're going to talk about this friends game as, Well
1:38:44
Speaker 7: Michael alise desire, due these are supremely talented players who
1:38:49
Speaker 7: play the game just that a little bit, differently and
1:38:51
Speaker 7: speaking of a former, professional everyone that plays is, good
1:38:55
Speaker 7: but there are some people that make it look. Easy
1:38:56
Speaker 7: and if you can make it look easy whilst playing
1:38:58
Speaker 7: against really good, players shows how specially you. Are SO
1:39:01
Speaker 7: i think those Ones i've named that young enough to
1:39:04
Speaker 7: be the ones who for the next five to ten
1:39:06
Speaker 7: years will probably be the flag bears for the great
1:39:09
Speaker 7: sist in the.
1:39:09
Speaker 2: WORLD i would, Say, natum cannot tell you how much
1:39:13
Speaker 2: we appreciate your time and your. Perspective today again we
1:39:16
Speaker 2: are we're doing a service for the listeners BECAUSE i
1:39:19
Speaker 2: cannot talk, soccer SO i lean on people like you
1:39:22
Speaker 2: who can and, UH.
1:39:25
Speaker 1: I appreciate. It thanks so much for your.
1:39:27
Speaker 7: Time it's been. Pleasure thank you very.
1:39:28
Speaker 2: Much Natum on A woha FORMER rssel player and OBVIOUSLY
1:39:33
Speaker 2: Espn soccer Analyst Queen. City he was With Manchester city
1:39:39
Speaker 2: and obviously finished in THE.
1:39:41
Speaker 1: Mls he does great. Work have you.
1:39:47
Speaker 2: Noticed that about the broadcast The World cup, Broadcast, James
1:39:50
Speaker 2: they are Very americanized in a way that that LIKE
1:39:53
Speaker 2: i maybe not all MAYBE mls fans especially are not this.
1:39:57
Speaker 2: Way WHEN i tune, in Like i'm overseas AND i tune,
1:40:00
Speaker 2: IN i turned on like their version Of Sports center
1:40:03
Speaker 2: to watch guys talk SoC i wanted to look and
1:40:05
Speaker 2: feel and sound. Different AND i think there's been a
1:40:09
Speaker 2: deliberate effort in This World cup to try to americanize
1:40:11
Speaker 2: it some on the studio shows and.
1:40:13
Speaker 1: Whatnot And i'm not necessarily a. Fan, yeah it's.
1:40:17
Speaker 2: Especially the hydration breaks from What i've seen. Online And
1:40:21
Speaker 2: Andy larson actually went At Alexi lawless about this On.
1:40:25
Speaker 2: TWITTER i don't know if you saw. That yesterday someone, asked,
1:40:29
Speaker 2: hey wanted a former player's perspective on these hydration? Breaks
1:40:34
Speaker 2: what do you what do you? Think In Alexi, lawless
1:40:35
Speaker 2: who has worked For fox for a very long time
1:40:38
Speaker 2: IN espn before, that right said the most predictable. Thing
1:40:42
Speaker 2: you'd think a lead talent for the broad for the
1:40:45
Speaker 2: network that's broadcasting the games would, say it's not, bad
1:40:49
Speaker 2: it's you. Know he started to justify the fact that hydration,
1:40:55
Speaker 2: breaks And andy, Said andy said come, on basically, said come, On,
1:41:01
Speaker 2: alexi like we know you're doing this for more.
1:41:05
Speaker 3: Money stop.
1:41:06
Speaker 2: Lying said other things about him, Too BUT i Think
1:41:11
Speaker 2: andy is representative of a lot of soccer fans where it's, like,
1:41:15
Speaker 2: no this isn't. Soccer then climate controlled, stadiums mandatory hydration
1:41:20
Speaker 2: breaks just so you can get more commercials In some
1:41:23
Speaker 2: of the stadiums are outside and it is hotter in
1:41:27
Speaker 2: this part of the world than In, europe for, Example
1:41:31
Speaker 2: so that's. Fine but In Mercedes Benz stadium In, atlanta
1:41:35
Speaker 2: you're doing hydration breaks, too like it's it's a farce
1:41:38
Speaker 2: to get more commercial. Dollars i'm not much of a
1:41:43
Speaker 2: fan of it. EITHER i WHEN i do tune into,
1:41:46
Speaker 2: SOCCER i do LIKE i have always liked that it's the,
1:41:50
Speaker 2: game no commercials in the. GAME i can sit through
1:41:54
Speaker 2: two hours and then be. Done you're not getting that
1:41:57
Speaker 2: with This World cup all. Right World cup action fires
1:42:02
Speaker 2: up again here in just a couple of minutes With
1:42:05
Speaker 2: france And. Senegal that should be a really great. Matches
1:42:10
Speaker 2: nata mentioned Also spence check its Head Mark harlan on.
1:42:15
Speaker 2: Yesterday we are going to give you that sound after
1:42:18
Speaker 2: we take a double. Here you definitely want to. Hear
1:42:21
Speaker 2: it's been a while since we've had an official interview
1:42:24
Speaker 2: with the athletic director For Utah, Athletics Mark. Carlin next
1:42:32
Speaker 2: ON espn seven hundred and NINETY, twoefm.
1:42:42
Speaker 8: This is The sean O'Connell. Show you were home of
1:42:45
Speaker 8: the best inside of your. Utes let's get back TO
1:42:47
Speaker 8: oc from The Murdoch Chevrolet studio OF espn seven hundred
1:42:52
Speaker 8: and ninety two to one f, ANS.
1:42:55
Speaker 9: I feel like when the show first, started which is
1:42:57
Speaker 9: almost eight years, Ago Mark harlan used to join this
1:43:00
Speaker 9: live in studio a. Lot THEN covid, happened and then
1:43:03
Speaker 9: things have changed a little bit and it's been a
1:43:06
Speaker 9: number of different. Months but for our YouTube, viewers you
1:43:09
Speaker 9: can see a very very relaxed looking athletic director from
1:43:12
Speaker 9: The university Of, Utah Mark, harden live and studio with
1:43:15
Speaker 9: an Under armour shirt for now Ride mark got.
1:43:17
Speaker 10: My Under armour got my that's actually one of my favorite.
1:43:20
Speaker 10: Shirts it's kind of. FAIR i think it's from our golf.
1:43:22
Speaker 10: Team it looks very. Comfy they got the good. Stuff
1:43:24
Speaker 10: since we're in.
1:43:25
Speaker 3: The space Under armoured deal about to, expire, Right.
1:43:28
Speaker 10: Yeah we got another full year, ahead will be with
1:43:31
Speaker 10: the with the brand all the way through the last sporting,
1:43:34
Speaker 10: event which tends to be baseball usually in this the
1:43:37
Speaker 10: end off and, softball and, yeah you, know we've been
1:43:40
Speaker 10: negotiating with Under armour for, GOSH i want to say
1:43:43
Speaker 10: about four. Months you'll probably dive into. It AND i
1:43:46
Speaker 10: went back there a couple of. Times they came. Out you,
1:43:48
Speaker 10: Know Kevin plank AND i know each other personally really.
1:43:50
Speaker 10: WELL i was with him At South florida and then
1:43:52
Speaker 10: WHEN i got, here Obviously utah had. HIM i Think
1:43:55
Speaker 10: kevin AND i in this, team in my, team we
1:43:58
Speaker 10: were just trying to figure out a lot of different.
1:44:00
Speaker 10: Things we really wanted to have the ability to go
1:44:04
Speaker 10: to the open market this time with all the changes
1:44:07
Speaker 10: that are going on to new coaches and our you,
1:44:10
Speaker 10: know you, know basketball and football important brands for, us
1:44:15
Speaker 10: along with a new company that we created THAT i
1:44:17
Speaker 10: know we'll talk about. Here and then it just felt
1:44:19
Speaker 10: right And kevin, SAID i get, that and we, did
1:44:22
Speaker 10: and we came back down under. Armour we just said
1:44:24
Speaker 10: we'd like to go in another. Direction and it was.
1:44:27
Speaker 10: Tough it was a tough. Call kevin AND i have
1:44:29
Speaker 10: known each other for a long. Time and once we
1:44:32
Speaker 10: got through, that you, know he AND i both, agreed
1:44:34
Speaker 10: let's have a great final. Year let's try to win
1:44:36
Speaker 10: some more championships this. Year let's get after. It SO
1:44:39
Speaker 10: i wish them nothing but the, best And i'm hoping
1:44:41
Speaker 10: that we'll be able to announce our new, partner maybe
1:44:43
Speaker 10: as soon as the end.
1:44:44
Speaker 9: Of the week or first part of the. Next oh really,
1:44:46
Speaker 9: Yeah oh that's very very. Exciting we'll look forward to.
1:44:48
Speaker 9: That that we buried the. Lead because there's a lot
1:44:51
Speaker 9: to get to today on the. Show let's start with
1:44:55
Speaker 9: since you AND i last, spoke as a result of
1:44:58
Speaker 9: some records, requests some emails were released to the public
1:45:01
Speaker 9: between you And Coach wad and his raps and his
1:45:03
Speaker 9: agents about how that really ultimately all kind of went,
1:45:08
Speaker 9: Down and you, KNOW i had received.
1:45:10
Speaker 3: Some pieces of news here and heard.
1:45:12
Speaker 9: Some things there NOTHING i felt comfortable going on air,
1:45:15
Speaker 9: with and OBVIOUSLY i want to respect you and Respect,
1:45:18
Speaker 9: kyle and it's safe to say THAT i guess the
1:45:20
Speaker 9: ADJECTIVE i would use the endion was somewhat, Uncomfortable, mark wasn't.
1:45:24
Speaker 10: It, YEAH i MEAN i think it's it's safe to
1:45:27
Speaker 10: say THAT i appreciate, you know your thoughts on. That
1:45:30
Speaker 10: in terms Of wit and, ME i would, say the
1:45:34
Speaker 10: thing that's most important is, that you, know my relationship
1:45:38
Speaker 10: With kyle obviously didn't end very well and then some tough,
1:45:41
Speaker 10: conversations but my time with him was. Extraordinary you, KNOW
1:45:45
Speaker 10: i think about the, CHAMPIONSHIPS i think about the stadium,
1:45:48
Speaker 10: ENHANCEMENT i think about the ability to fund his staff
1:45:52
Speaker 10: at the level THAT i felt was at the championship.
1:45:54
Speaker 3: Level.
1:45:55
Speaker 10: YEAH i think at one point we were one of
1:45:56
Speaker 10: three schools that had two coordinators that were at two,
1:45:59
Speaker 10: Million so you, know we really kind of re routed
1:46:03
Speaker 10: a lot of our revenues to make sure that that
1:46:05
Speaker 10: program had what they need to. Succeed and real proud
1:46:07
Speaker 10: of of all the donors and the ticket buyers that
1:46:10
Speaker 10: got us to that. PLACE i think what really happened
1:46:12
Speaker 10: IS i look back on it all is, that you,
1:46:15
Speaker 10: know for a number of years wasn't sure what he
1:46:18
Speaker 10: wanted to, do AND i always respected that. Right you
1:46:21
Speaker 10: have to respect a legend like, that a future college
1:46:23
Speaker 10: Football hall Of famer and certainly A Utah hall Of.
1:46:26
Speaker 10: FAMER i think this year it just kind of came down, to,
1:46:28
Speaker 10: well what do you want to, do and let's get
1:46:30
Speaker 10: some finality to.
1:46:30
Speaker 3: It so we talked through. It his agent is it's
1:46:32
Speaker 3: just a Pro Bruce.
1:46:34
Speaker 10: Toner i've Known bruce for a long, time so we're
1:46:36
Speaker 10: all kind of talking through.
1:46:37
Speaker 3: It you, know wanted to come.
1:46:39
Speaker 10: Back he had some different asks that that, were you,
1:46:42
Speaker 10: know not exactly what we're in this. Contract so we
1:46:45
Speaker 10: tried to figure out a one year solution and we
1:46:48
Speaker 10: just couldn't get. There it wasn't, yelling it wasn't. Screaming
1:46:51
Speaker 10: it was just we. Couldn't we just couldn't get.
1:46:53
Speaker 3: There and people can decide how they feel about, that you,
1:46:56
Speaker 3: know like you.
1:46:56
Speaker 10: Say it all went, public and so you, know once
1:46:59
Speaker 10: we decided to do, that you, know we got together
1:47:01
Speaker 10: on the phone AND i came down to practice and you,
1:47:04
Speaker 10: know he, said let's just announce it to the. Team
1:47:06
Speaker 10: let's do that. Together and we, did and it was
1:47:08
Speaker 10: an emotional team. MEETING i remember it. Vividly we were
1:47:11
Speaker 10: getting ready for The, bowl and you, know he said
1:47:15
Speaker 10: some great things to the team and and you, know
1:47:18
Speaker 10: kind of life went.
1:47:19
Speaker 3: On and then of, course you, know it was clear
1:47:21
Speaker 3: to me that he still wanted to. Coach that was really.
1:47:23
Speaker 3: Clear SO i wasn't surprised that he did.
1:47:27
Speaker 10: THAT i you, know certainly when When ward is a
1:47:30
Speaker 10: really good, friend the athletic director At, michigan when he
1:47:32
Speaker 10: reached out to, ME i had to smile BECAUSE i
1:47:34
Speaker 10: thought to, myself you, KNOW i think probably through the
1:47:37
Speaker 10: Years wit wanted a big brand like. THAT i, mean
1:47:40
Speaker 10: that's just me. THINKING i don't want to put words
1:47:42
Speaker 10: in his. Mouth SO i really, smiled AND i, thought,
1:47:44
Speaker 10: well that's awesome for.
1:47:45
Speaker 3: HIM i, mean it really. IS i, mean he still
1:47:47
Speaker 3: wanted to, coach and so you, know we we we.
1:47:52
Speaker 10: We talked through it. Again how we're we gonna do
1:47:53
Speaker 10: the bowl. Game he asked if he could come out
1:47:55
Speaker 10: with the team and talk to the. TEAM i said,
1:47:57
Speaker 10: Absolutely so he came out and gave a awesome.
1:48:00
Speaker 3: Talk In vegas and turn it over To morgan and
1:48:04
Speaker 3: it was.
1:48:04
Speaker 10: Great and then you, know we're we've been off and
1:48:06
Speaker 10: running ever, since and obviously that stuff has to go.
1:48:09
Speaker 10: Public you, know you wish some things with personnel, can't
1:48:12
Speaker 10: but that's that when you're at the flagship and proud
1:48:14
Speaker 10: of being at the, flagship those things get.
1:48:16
Speaker 9: Public when did The michigan ad reach out to you
1:48:18
Speaker 9: during the? Process when did that phone call take?
1:48:20
Speaker 10: Place, WELL i think there was two different. Outreaches there
1:48:22
Speaker 10: was an outreach from the gentleman that was handling the,
1:48:25
Speaker 10: search WHICH i can't remember how many days after he
1:48:29
Speaker 10: met with the, team but i'd heard from him. First he,
1:48:32
Speaker 10: SAID i wanted to let you, know AND i think
1:48:33
Speaker 10: it's direct, words there's a four percent chance that. COACH i,
1:48:37
Speaker 10: said well four, percent where are you coming up with?
1:48:39
Speaker 4: That very?
1:48:40
Speaker 10: Exactly so you, KNOW i think it was his way of,
1:48:42
Speaker 10: saying don't worry about. It, WELL i wasn't, worried, right you,
1:48:44
Speaker 10: know we had had our, conversations BUT i, thought, hey
1:48:47
Speaker 10: that would be really.
1:48:48
Speaker 3: Interesting and THEN i think.
1:48:49
Speaker 10: Wardman will called me about let's see If december twenty
1:48:54
Speaker 10: six is when he let me know what was taking the,
1:48:56
Speaker 10: job SO i would say he's probably like the twenty Second.
1:48:59
Speaker 3: Earth SO i had some knowledge that that conversation's wrong.
1:49:03
Speaker 9: Going so the the email you received from which agent asking?
1:49:07
Speaker 9: Again you, KNOW i think most of us for the
1:49:10
Speaker 9: past few years have operated off the premise like this
1:49:12
Speaker 9: is probably it for.
1:49:13
Speaker 3: Him it's the number one topic we get into on the.
1:49:15
Speaker 9: Show SO i would imagine the email you received that,
1:49:19
Speaker 9: no he's not stepping, down and, oh by the, way
1:49:21
Speaker 9: he wants an, extension and, oh by the, way he
1:49:23
Speaker 9: wants to raise safe to, say did that catch you off?
1:49:26
Speaker 9: Guard were you surprised to get? That, well first of,
1:49:29
Speaker 9: all he did not ask for an.
1:49:30
Speaker 10: Extension he didn't REALLY i don't recall asking for, more
1:49:35
Speaker 10: asking for more. Years he just wanted compensation levels different
1:49:39
Speaker 10: what his current contract you, know was. At and so
1:49:44
Speaker 10: that's what we had to talk. Through we had to
1:49:46
Speaker 10: talk through what it would kind of look like to
1:49:48
Speaker 10: truly set up coach scalely if it was going to
1:49:52
Speaker 10: come back for that. Year and we just went back
1:49:53
Speaker 10: and forth and we agreed to a lot of. It
1:49:55
Speaker 10: we just couldn't we couldn't agree to all of. It
1:49:57
Speaker 10: and that's when we just you, know kind of came
1:49:59
Speaker 10: together and, said, well that's.
1:50:00
Speaker 4: It's not going to.
1:50:00
Speaker 3: Work.
1:50:00
Speaker 9: Yeah so the last, thing then we'll move on here
1:50:03
Speaker 9: the counter offer for the one, year where Essentially morgan
1:50:08
Speaker 9: is heavily, involved if not the guy that's making the final,
1:50:12
Speaker 9: call and a rep from the athletic department would exist
1:50:15
Speaker 9: in the football.
1:50:16
Speaker 3: BUILDING i read that.
1:50:18
Speaker 9: As like you had to believe that there was no
1:50:21
Speaker 9: Way kyle was going to agree to those.
1:50:23
Speaker 10: Things that if you read it just on its, FACE
1:50:26
Speaker 10: i can see why that looked heavy.
1:50:27
Speaker 3: Handed it really wasn't intended to.
1:50:29
Speaker 10: Be we're, actually you know now with the rev share
1:50:32
Speaker 10: and all of the things that are going down and
1:50:34
Speaker 10: trying to negotiate with. Agents that was really the intent of,
1:50:37
Speaker 10: that to move our people that handle all that stuff down.
1:50:40
Speaker 3: There that's really what that intent.
1:50:41
Speaker 10: Was we're even looking at doing that With morgan right
1:50:44
Speaker 10: now talking through all. That, so BUT i see how
1:50:47
Speaker 10: that came off publicly that, way but it.
1:50:48
Speaker 3: Really wasn't the.
1:50:49
Speaker 10: INTENTION i think the intention was to get Coach kelly
1:50:52
Speaker 10: heavily involved in the selection of players in the process.
1:50:55
Speaker 3: For the team that will be built during this final.
1:50:58
Speaker 9: Year, yeah and AS i, TOLD i mean the Way
1:51:00
Speaker 9: i've covered it on the, show AND i know you
1:51:02
Speaker 9: know because you listened for four hours every, Day, mark
1:51:04
Speaker 9: WHICH i. Appreciate i'm happy For kyle And i'll be
1:51:07
Speaker 9: cheering for him in Ann.
1:51:09
Speaker 3: Arbor but IT'S i believe It's morgan's. Time well you,
1:51:12
Speaker 3: know it Is morgan's, time whatever we.
1:51:14
Speaker 10: Believe AND i also want to tell You i'm happy
1:51:16
Speaker 10: For kyle AND I i'm AS i Told, WARD i
1:51:19
Speaker 10: think he's going to go out there and do a terrific.
1:51:20
Speaker 10: Job you, know he's he's he's done amazing. Work they
1:51:24
Speaker 10: needed somebody with high integrity in that. Role that was
1:51:27
Speaker 10: made very clear to me and my conversations with folks,
1:51:30
Speaker 10: there and that's what they.
1:51:31
Speaker 3: Got my, integrity incredible.
1:51:34
Speaker 10: Family man and and you, Know michigan has that certain
1:51:37
Speaker 10: toughness THAT i Think utah carries too or they want it.
1:51:40
Speaker 10: Back so if you look at it from that, STANDPOINT
1:51:42
Speaker 10: i think they got the right.
1:51:43
Speaker 9: Guy so as far as what you've seen so, Far
1:51:46
Speaker 9: morgan sliding over one, seat he had a few of
1:51:49
Speaker 9: us up to the football facility for a, meeting which
1:51:51
Speaker 9: was really. Cool he's joined the show and he's joined the,
1:51:53
Speaker 9: podcast And i've known. Him we were in school together
1:51:55
Speaker 9: at the you SO i feel LIKE i know him
1:51:59
Speaker 9: well AND i feel LIKE i have a good pulse
1:52:02
Speaker 9: on the type of person he is and the leader
1:52:04
Speaker 9: that he. Is but since that transition took, place what
1:52:07
Speaker 9: have you noticed from your new head?
1:52:08
Speaker 10: Coach, well you know it started off right we got To.
1:52:10
Speaker 10: Vegas just watching him at. Practice you, know you would
1:52:13
Speaker 10: have thought he'd been the head coach for. Years the
1:52:15
Speaker 10: way that the practices were run during that, week the
1:52:18
Speaker 10: way that you know they, prepared the focus of the,
1:52:21
Speaker 10: players the assistant, coaches you.
1:52:24
Speaker 3: Know everybody just really.
1:52:26
Speaker 10: FELL i, mean, frankly this was the first bowl game
1:52:28
Speaker 10: we've won in eight, years, right so it was it
1:52:31
Speaker 10: was a game we really wanted to have against a good.
1:52:33
Speaker 10: Opponent so you see it, there and then of course
1:52:35
Speaker 10: you get back to campus and you watch how he
1:52:37
Speaker 10: had to handle the, changes, Right some coaches, Left we
1:52:40
Speaker 10: didn't think some. Would we figured some. Might some of
1:52:43
Speaker 10: the players right that we had, had even in a
1:52:46
Speaker 10: case of one on.
1:52:47
Speaker 3: Campus so it was a tough. Time but he never
1:52:50
Speaker 3: it was never.
1:52:50
Speaker 10: Panic it was different routes that he had already imagined
1:52:55
Speaker 10: what happened and was just going to go on the
1:52:56
Speaker 10: route that he had already you, know thought. ABOUT i
1:52:58
Speaker 10: thought The highers.
1:52:59
Speaker 3: He made were really really good and we've.
1:53:01
Speaker 10: Seen that and if you go, forward, yeah you just.
1:53:04
Speaker 10: Watch now we're in the middle Of june. Recruiting it's
1:53:06
Speaker 10: the heaviest recruiting month of the year for college, football
1:53:09
Speaker 10: and it's been. Spectacular how they've established those, weekends the
1:53:14
Speaker 10: way he communicates with donors and, everything it's been. Fantastic
1:53:18
Speaker 10: and we're going to really lean Into, morgan you, know
1:53:21
Speaker 10: to help him and always, possible and in, turn he'll
1:53:24
Speaker 10: also help with the efforts we have to generate, revenue
1:53:26
Speaker 10: which is very.
1:53:27
Speaker 3: Important, yeah and we're going to get to the outro
1:53:29
Speaker 3: deal now that it's.
1:53:29
Speaker 9: Done but since you just mentioned, It Celestie Celessie moa
1:53:34
Speaker 9: was on, campus was enrolled in. CLASSES i, mean you
1:53:36
Speaker 9: had sent out a social media post that you did
1:53:39
Speaker 9: end up taking.
1:53:40
Speaker 3: Down what happened? There can you shed any light on?
1:53:43
Speaker 10: That, well you, know for, me obviously it was taken
1:53:46
Speaker 10: down BECAUSE i saw the reaction to, it and you,
1:53:48
Speaker 10: KNOW i don't want to do that that's, Inappropriate So
1:53:51
Speaker 10: i'll take ownership of. THAT i just felt like for,
1:53:53
Speaker 10: me maybe it's a little bit in some, cases like
1:53:57
Speaker 10: where's the floor and everything we're? Doing you have a young,
1:53:59
Speaker 10: man he's on campus and then he's. Gone you, know
1:54:02
Speaker 10: he's been a part of our orientation And i'm not
1:54:05
Speaker 10: coming down on. Him it's the, rules it's, allowed and you,
1:54:08
Speaker 10: know it just gets back to where we are as an.
1:54:10
Speaker 10: Industry can you imagine in THE nfl someone starting off
1:54:12
Speaker 10: in training camp and being there for a week and
1:54:14
Speaker 10: a half and then just being. Gone where do you,
1:54:17
Speaker 10: go you, know outside of a two organizations working on a.
1:54:20
Speaker 10: Trade so you, know it is what it. IS i
1:54:23
Speaker 10: wish him the best, too because he's a great young man.
1:54:24
Speaker 10: Too but you know What morgan really figured out in
1:54:27
Speaker 10: this whole process is there's really one or two ways
1:54:30
Speaker 10: you can do. This you can get really angry about,
1:54:31
Speaker 10: it or you can just go to work and find
1:54:34
Speaker 10: the best students and coaches that want to be.
1:54:36
Speaker 9: Here, yeah and, look WHEN i found out that it Was,
1:54:40
Speaker 9: MICHIGAN i wondered aloud on the, Show who's going with?
1:54:43
Speaker 9: Them AND i was asked on, television who do you
1:54:45
Speaker 9: think goes With? Kyle AND i, said whoever he, wants
1:54:48
Speaker 9: because that's the nature of the. Job, well you surprised
1:54:50
Speaker 9: at the number of coaches and players that ended up
1:54:53
Speaker 9: Following kyle Tan.
1:54:54
Speaker 10: Arbor, no and there's others THAT i think would argue your,
1:54:58
Speaker 10: premise right that really being here and they know what
1:55:03
Speaker 10: we have here and they know we have a chance
1:55:05
Speaker 10: to do great things as we've done in the. Past,
1:55:08
Speaker 10: AGAIN i don't think anything really surprises me. ANYMORE i
1:55:11
Speaker 10: Know michigan's a big. Brand so any of those guys
1:55:14
Speaker 10: that WIN i, understood, yeah without.
1:55:15
Speaker 9: Question so speaking of, RULES i, MEAN i don't even
1:55:19
Speaker 9: know where we're at with some of this stuff as
1:55:21
Speaker 9: far as being able to enforce. IT i know THE
1:55:23
Speaker 9: ncaa has been thrown out of court and called a
1:55:25
Speaker 9: serial anti trust violator and told to go figure it,
1:55:28
Speaker 9: out and then their ability to enforce rules is taken
1:55:31
Speaker 9: away from.
1:55:31
Speaker 3: Them but if there's one, THING i.
1:55:33
Speaker 9: Think anybody who has been in the ecosystem of sport
1:55:37
Speaker 9: or follows it or covers it has always been under
1:55:39
Speaker 9: the impression like you cannot bet on this. Stuff if
1:55:42
Speaker 9: you are a player and you are a, coach you
1:55:44
Speaker 9: cannot bet on the games that you're involved. In AND
1:55:46
Speaker 9: i don't care If Brennon sorsby didn't play in The indiana,
1:55:49
Speaker 9: games he bet on he was in coaches, meetings he
1:55:51
Speaker 9: was in player, meetings thousands of, bets nearly one hundred thousand.
1:55:55
Speaker 9: Dollars he goes and gets The Michael jordan Of attorneys
1:55:58
Speaker 9: And Jeffrey. Kessler They i'm the judge to give them the.
1:56:01
Speaker 9: INJUNCTION i just want to give you the, space, man
1:56:04
Speaker 9: where you are with this crazy.
1:56:05
Speaker 10: Story, well you, know OBVIOUSLY i had a comment last.
1:56:09
Speaker 10: Week you know that WHEN i found out about it
1:56:11
Speaker 10: On monday, morning it was just it was defeating in
1:56:13
Speaker 10: a lot of different, ways, because like, you this is
1:56:16
Speaker 10: a tenet THAT i never thought AND i still don't
1:56:19
Speaker 10: believe it will never thought it would. CROSS i MEAN
1:56:22
Speaker 10: i was in THE i went to go meet the
1:56:24
Speaker 10: football staff this morning AND i actually walked through the
1:56:27
Speaker 10: locker room and don't bet on it is right.
1:56:30
Speaker 3: There you will lose or it's a poster that it's
1:56:32
Speaker 3: always been.
1:56:32
Speaker 10: There, now we know a lot of things are, changing
1:56:34
Speaker 10: but the actual integrity of in between the, lines there's been.
1:56:38
Speaker 10: SOMETHING i think everybody understands that that's a line we can't.
1:56:41
Speaker 10: CROSS i can't really say a lot about it because
1:56:44
Speaker 10: obviously that the legal action is really starting to heat
1:56:47
Speaker 10: up as we. KNOW i Appreciated Governor coxon and His
1:56:51
Speaker 10: Attorney general today putting out some information about their support
1:56:55
Speaker 10: as as other states in our league against some of
1:56:58
Speaker 10: the action that The Texas jorney in. General BUT i
1:57:02
Speaker 10: can't really go too far down the road except to
1:57:04
Speaker 10: SAY i do think THAT i guess for, once it's
1:57:07
Speaker 10: nice to see everybody rally about a common, cause AND
1:57:09
Speaker 10: i do think that there will be a solution of some.
1:57:12
Speaker 3: Type it's just going to take us a bit to get.
1:57:13
Speaker 9: There so the reports are The Big twelve held a
1:57:17
Speaker 9: conference call with all of the athletic directors Besides. Kirby
1:57:20
Speaker 9: Kirby holco got the athletic director From Texas. Tech can
1:57:23
Speaker 9: you she had any? Light give us some inside.
1:57:25
Speaker 3: On kirby was? There? Oh he was? On kirby was.
1:57:27
Speaker 10: THERE i, mean let me also say that THAT i
1:57:29
Speaker 10: got to really give a shout out To commission Your.
1:57:31
Speaker 10: Mark he has been, unbelievable relentless in communicating with, us
1:57:36
Speaker 10: communicating with the. Board he is really leaning. IN i,
1:57:40
Speaker 10: mean he is very. Passionate, obviously he's worked in THE.
1:57:42
Speaker 10: Nba they've had some scandals there and and so he's
1:57:45
Speaker 10: he's got a very strong feeling that he's voiced publicly about.
1:57:48
Speaker 3: This he got us all together just to, talk.
1:57:50
Speaker 10: Right we were on a zoom because we're scattered all,
1:57:52
Speaker 10: over AND i think many of, us you, know just
1:57:55
Speaker 10: kind of explain what we felt about.
1:57:57
Speaker 3: It it was it was very. Professional kirby was very very.
1:58:00
Speaker 10: Professional he understood and and he you, know we appreciated
1:58:03
Speaker 10: the time to let him know what.
1:58:05
Speaker 3: We feel and he gave us a little bit of his.
1:58:06
Speaker 10: Thoughts so you, know we understand now where it's a week,
1:58:09
Speaker 10: LATER i think that was Last, tuesday was that, Zoom
1:58:12
Speaker 10: and AS i, mentioned some legal things are starting to
1:58:14
Speaker 10: trickle out and we'll see where it all.
1:58:16
Speaker 9: Goes last thing here before we move on from. It, Georgia.
1:58:20
Speaker 9: Nebraska they're not scheduling tech and. Anything that's been made
1:58:25
Speaker 9: clear to all of their, teams administrators and. Such we
1:58:28
Speaker 9: hear rumors of a big twelve boycott of schools not
1:58:31
Speaker 9: willing to play them. Anymore any meat on that bone With.
1:58:34
Speaker 9: Utah have you considered that course of? ACTION i think
1:58:37
Speaker 9: we're just.
1:58:37
Speaker 10: Going to follow The commissioner's lead on this and look
1:58:41
Speaker 10: up to our peers in this conference to figure out a.
1:58:43
Speaker 10: Solution And i'm sure there's a wide variety of What
1:58:46
Speaker 10: brett and the board could come up, with but at this,
1:58:48
Speaker 10: time we just don't know what that'll. Be.
1:58:50
Speaker 9: Okay referenced generating revenue a few times during our conversation
1:58:56
Speaker 9: a part of a front facing revenue generating entertainment.
1:59:01
Speaker 3: Business i'm a grown. UP i know where this stuff. Is.
1:59:03
Speaker 9: Okay sometimes we can get lost in our moral compass being.
1:59:06
Speaker 9: COMPROMISED i know you got to make, money AND i
1:59:09
Speaker 9: know you need money to keep up with the oil
1:59:11
Speaker 9: Money Texas tech, has or The Cookie brow MONEY byu,
1:59:14
Speaker 9: has or whatever else they're doing down.
1:59:16
Speaker 3: There and, LOOK i think it's probably safe to.
1:59:19
Speaker 9: Say if you had a very affluent alumni base that
1:59:22
Speaker 9: was willing to write checks the way some other schools
1:59:25
Speaker 9: have at their, disposal private equity would not be a.
1:59:30
Speaker 9: Necessity but that's the route you guys have chosen to.
1:59:32
Speaker 9: Take the outro capital deal is now. Signed mark tell
1:59:35
Speaker 9: us some where you're at with here right.
1:59:37
Speaker 10: Now, well we were proud to get that signed Last,
1:59:41
Speaker 10: THURSDAY i believe it.
1:59:42
Speaker 3: Was it's been three year, Journey.
1:59:43
Speaker 10: Spins it's been you, know a lot of introspection and
1:59:47
Speaker 10: looking at the landscape as best as we could to
1:59:49
Speaker 10: predict and you, know where things were. Going BUT i
1:59:52
Speaker 10: think we probably two years ago or, so figured out,
1:59:55
Speaker 10: that you, know with the payroll for players going to
1:59:57
Speaker 10: be around twenty point five and growing exponentially from, there
2:00:00
Speaker 10: that we needed to do things.
2:00:01
Speaker 3: Different we have a sold out football, stadium.
2:00:04
Speaker 10: We are we have a great corporate, program we have great,
2:00:07
Speaker 10: donors but it wasn't going to be enough to offset
2:00:09
Speaker 10: the operating costs of the of the. Organization so we've
2:00:13
Speaker 10: talked to a lot of different. Companies we didn't have
2:00:15
Speaker 10: any interest in private equity per, se just giving us
2:00:18
Speaker 10: money and seeing what we could, do but we were
2:00:21
Speaker 10: interested in folks that maybe had a type of a
2:00:24
Speaker 10: situation where we could have operators come in and really assist.
2:00:28
Speaker 10: Us so when you fast, forward we've created a new,
2:00:30
Speaker 10: Company Crimson Brand PARTNER, Cbp so all the revenue generators
2:00:34
Speaker 10: will go in there outside philanthropy that'll stay with the athletic.
2:00:37
Speaker 10: Department you, know we're bringing him out, web a very
2:00:40
Speaker 10: accomplished young man to be the. President and you, Know
2:00:43
Speaker 10: i'm sure everyone saw the. Release he's the former very
2:00:45
Speaker 10: high up at The saints and The, pelicans and he's you,
2:00:48
Speaker 10: know populating a vice presidential team that's really really impressive
2:00:52
Speaker 10: from baseball TO nfl and certainly others that have been
2:00:55
Speaker 10: in college moving over with him as a lot of
2:00:57
Speaker 10: my really solid revenue produce as.
2:01:00
Speaker 3: Well so the company will be about sixty people when
2:01:02
Speaker 3: it's all said and.
2:01:02
Speaker 10: Done so a big part of this, was well from
2:01:06
Speaker 10: the get, go we just want to get, better.
2:01:07
Speaker 3: Right we brought In.
2:01:08
Speaker 10: Patrick, nolan he's the cro From Notre. Dame he got
2:01:12
Speaker 10: here's here for eight. Months the first thing he tried
2:01:14
Speaker 10: to do is try to get all these different units
2:01:17
Speaker 10: that are around, campus not just athletics who are part
2:01:20
Speaker 10: of putting on football and, basketball get us.
2:01:22
Speaker 3: Together we're kind of in different.
2:01:24
Speaker 10: Directions they did a study which The tribune got their hands.
2:01:27
Speaker 10: On not sure how they did, that but it's, okay
2:01:30
Speaker 10: and it showed that there's. Confusion there wasn't really a
2:01:33
Speaker 10: lot of. Alignment, so you, know it's what we had
2:01:36
Speaker 10: been sensing for a. While we really needed to come
2:01:38
Speaker 10: together on one, roof get our north, star taking care
2:01:42
Speaker 10: of our, customers generating revenue that we can you, know
2:01:45
Speaker 10: be champions in the classroom and on the field going.
2:01:47
Speaker 10: Forward so where we stand today is that group is
2:01:50
Speaker 10: starting to. Arrive we're looking forward to them all getting.
2:01:54
Speaker 10: Here we've got a lot of work to do, ahead
2:01:57
Speaker 10: And i'm excited about where things. Off last thing us
2:02:00
Speaker 10: thing will say is all to the. Negotiations you, know
2:02:02
Speaker 10: we were very clear from a governance. Standpoint you, know
2:02:06
Speaker 10: The Crimson Brand partners has nothing to do with any
2:02:09
Speaker 10: decisions we make on coaching or. Recruiting they will be
2:02:13
Speaker 10: handling the payroll for the student, athletes but that just
2:02:15
Speaker 10: comes to us and then our, gms myself, Coaches we
2:02:18
Speaker 10: decide how it's, distributed.
2:02:20
Speaker 3: So they don't have anything to do with.
2:02:21
Speaker 10: That but they are going to combine all of the
2:02:23
Speaker 10: assets commercial assets at the, university not just, athletics all
2:02:26
Speaker 10: the concerts that will be, running, stadium will be doing
2:02:28
Speaker 10: all the, things none of which athletics has had, before
2:02:31
Speaker 10: come together as.
2:02:32
Speaker 3: One So i'm really excited to see how it all plays.
2:02:34
Speaker 9: Out so you reference the study that The tribune did
2:02:36
Speaker 9: get their hands. On one of the quotes so was,
2:02:40
Speaker 9: quote we solve, problems but we never fixed. Systems leadership wants,
2:02:43
Speaker 9: excellence but there's no infrastructure to get us. There and
2:02:47
Speaker 9: then some other comments about tickets given, out revenue being
2:02:50
Speaker 9: left on the.
2:02:50
Speaker 3: Table first of, all.
2:02:52
Speaker 9: This is why you do these, studies to identify where
2:02:54
Speaker 9: you need to. Improve but tell me how you digest
2:02:57
Speaker 9: to the study and what you're going to do maybe
2:02:58
Speaker 9: try to improve in those.
2:03:00
Speaker 10: WELL i MEAN i Told PATRICK i thought it was.
2:03:02
Speaker 10: GREAT i MEAN i wanted him to. Know and, remember you,
2:03:04
Speaker 10: know we not only had athletic, department we had we
2:03:06
Speaker 10: had other revenue. Units and you could see there's some
2:03:09
Speaker 10: general disappointment and the leaders of those different, units some
2:03:12
Speaker 10: of them were new and some of them were just
2:03:15
Speaker 10: trying to figure some things. Out the ticket part was
2:03:18
Speaker 10: interesting because you, know they didn't get into the football,
2:03:21
Speaker 10: tickets but they looked at arena. Tickets and we have
2:03:24
Speaker 10: had some back and forth about, gymnastics how much should
2:03:26
Speaker 10: be free and how much shouldn't be. Free SO i
2:03:28
Speaker 10: think those people were probably more referring to, gymnastics and
2:03:31
Speaker 10: we'll continue to look at all that. Stuff but, LISTEN
2:03:33
Speaker 10: i saw the. REPORT i, said that's how you got you,
2:03:35
Speaker 10: know you got to get. Better you, know if you
2:03:36
Speaker 10: don't look introspectively at what you're, doing then you, KNOW
2:03:40
Speaker 10: i don't know what you are, doing, Right and SO
2:03:43
Speaker 10: i was proud That patrick did the. STUDY i felt
2:03:45
Speaker 10: bad for him that that someone betrayed and turned it.
2:03:48
Speaker 3: Over it is what it, is what it. Is but
2:03:50
Speaker 3: the good news is.
2:03:51
Speaker 10: A lot of a lot of those folks are now
2:03:52
Speaker 10: going to be in the new company or they'll be
2:03:53
Speaker 10: back with.
2:03:54
Speaker 9: Us in, fundraising and that's WHERE i wanted to go.
2:03:56
Speaker 9: Next of, course the news was released a few weeks.
2:03:59
Speaker 9: AGO i don't know how many employees. WERE i don't
2:04:02
Speaker 9: know if you want to say laid, off fire, terminated
2:04:05
Speaker 9: or whatever the private equity term is for those. Decisions
2:04:09
Speaker 9: and Then i've been told now by you on air
2:04:11
Speaker 9: and others off air that the hope is the majority of,
2:04:14
Speaker 9: them if, not maybe all of them will get their jobs.
2:04:16
Speaker 3: Back can you shed some light on.
2:04:18
Speaker 10: That, yeah this again had nothing to do with the
2:04:21
Speaker 10: private equity in terms of.
2:04:22
Speaker 3: Outro this had to do with the fact that the
2:04:24
Speaker 3: jobs that are.
2:04:24
Speaker 10: Currently at the Athletic department are being moved over To
2:04:27
Speaker 10: Crimson brand's, partners so they no Longer so that's a state.
2:04:30
Speaker 3: Side they call IT, riff which is a position.
2:04:31
Speaker 10: Elimination so those folks then interview because they got to
2:04:35
Speaker 10: fit into What matt's trying to, build right And we've
2:04:38
Speaker 10: already seen some that are going over in some are,
2:04:40
Speaker 10: interviewing you, know of one hundred and ninety something like
2:04:44
Speaker 10: that people we. Have i'm not going to minimize anything
2:04:46
Speaker 10: because every person's. Important you're talking about fourteen to sixteen
2:04:49
Speaker 10: people and the revenue generating, jobs AND i do hope
2:04:53
Speaker 10: that most of them will make it and some that
2:04:54
Speaker 10: don't will help them land someplace.
2:04:56
Speaker 3: Else but it is part of the.
2:04:57
Speaker 10: Process and you, know the one thing we're not first
2:04:59
Speaker 10: hot ship bringing in private capital and creating this asset
2:05:03
Speaker 10: now that is coming out of our revenues that we
2:05:06
Speaker 10: can you, know do a lot.
2:05:07
Speaker 3: Of things within the.
2:05:08
Speaker 10: Future but a lot of UNIVERSITIES i think we're over
2:05:12
Speaker 10: twenty to twenty five have created these new companies and
2:05:14
Speaker 10: the same thing. Happens you have to move those folks.
2:05:17
Speaker 10: Over some make, it some.
2:05:18
Speaker 9: Built The state auditor released her letter and, YEAH i
2:05:22
Speaker 9: can see the look on your. Face, Mark i'm just
2:05:24
Speaker 9: asking you about the news is. All, yeah of course
2:05:26
Speaker 9: her concerns, about you, know whether or not this is
2:05:29
Speaker 9: something that we should be doing with a publicly owned.
2:05:31
Speaker 3: Institution just your reaction to, That, well we've worked with
2:05:33
Speaker 3: The State Auditor's office for years in.
2:05:35
Speaker 10: Athletics they've they've conducted our AUDIT i think for the
2:05:38
Speaker 10: last twenty. Years so we have we have great, partnership you,
2:05:42
Speaker 10: KNOW i think that's her, job, right this is a
2:05:44
Speaker 10: public thing and she's looking into. It We've we've had
2:05:46
Speaker 10: a lot of offline conversations between the. University are are
2:05:49
Speaker 10: folks that are doing all the hard and dirty work
2:05:52
Speaker 10: on this, deal and those conversations will will continue and be.
2:05:55
Speaker 10: Ongoing but we're not going to do anything that's outside
2:05:57
Speaker 10: of the state.
2:05:59
Speaker 3: Purview you.
2:05:59
Speaker 10: Know we had long conversations with governmental leaders through this whole,
2:06:02
Speaker 10: process and we will continue to do. So SO i
2:06:06
Speaker 10: have several people in my you, know, life family, members
2:06:10
Speaker 10: friends in private. Equity, okay As i've said a million,
2:06:13
Speaker 10: times not all private equity is created. Equal but whenever
2:06:17
Speaker 10: people hear private, equity their initial, REACTION i think is.
2:06:20
Speaker 3: Fear what is this going to mean for my consumer?
2:06:23
Speaker 9: Experience what is this going to mean as a youth
2:06:25
Speaker 9: fan that has had season tickets for forty years or
2:06:28
Speaker 9: saves up to go to two or three games a. Year,
2:06:31
Speaker 9: first the first order of business when the revenue is, Received,
2:06:36
Speaker 9: mark can you shed some light on where the money
2:06:38
Speaker 9: is going to.
2:06:39
Speaker 3: Go are their plans.
2:06:40
Speaker 9: To, Change i'll, say improve the consumer, experience but therefore
2:06:44
Speaker 9: make the consumer experience more expensive for patrons that go
2:06:48
Speaker 9: to the.
2:06:48
Speaker 3: Game can you kind of lock us through that? TIME
2:06:51
Speaker 3: i think that's first of, ALL i totally.
2:06:52
Speaker 10: AGREE i, mean you say private equity and folks just
2:06:54
Speaker 10: there's just a gag reflex AND i joke with that
2:06:57
Speaker 10: with the guys At otro and the team. There so
2:07:00
Speaker 10: really our job is to continue to, educate especially when
2:07:03
Speaker 10: they get. HERE i want them to do some town.
2:07:04
Speaker 10: HALLS i want them to be very. AVAILABLE i don't
2:07:06
Speaker 10: want them to be some group that's hiding behind a.
2:07:08
Speaker 3: Wall you.
2:07:09
Speaker 10: Know, again a big part of this was trying to
2:07:11
Speaker 10: figure out revenue solutions for us going.
2:07:13
Speaker 3: Forward we're leaving things on the. Table we're not we're
2:07:18
Speaker 3: not on the same.
2:07:18
Speaker 10: Page you had a corporate sales group on, campus you
2:07:21
Speaker 10: had an athletic sales.
2:07:22
Speaker 3: Group we were running into each. Other you can't have.
2:07:24
Speaker 3: It so a lot of this is just getting organized
2:07:27
Speaker 3: to a. Way. Now tickets have been raised every. Year
2:07:30
Speaker 3: we've had.
2:07:31
Speaker 10: Tremendous amount of football, success so we're always going to
2:07:34
Speaker 10: see some of. That but we also want to make
2:07:35
Speaker 10: sure that we're adding more back to the. Experience they
2:07:38
Speaker 10: have some CAP x responsibilities that we're going to work.
2:07:40
Speaker 10: On we're going to look at the basketball. Arena we're
2:07:42
Speaker 10: gonna Help they're going to lean in and help us
2:07:44
Speaker 10: a little. Bit but that's out for right. Now but the,
2:07:46
Speaker 10: FOOTBALL i think right now is just trying to find
2:07:48
Speaker 10: out what things can we do that we don't currently.
2:07:51
Speaker 10: Have you, know is there some bunker suites that we
2:07:53
Speaker 10: can create down, there like our friends down at The jazz,
2:07:56
Speaker 10: did which a lot of our, donors you, know a
2:07:58
Speaker 10: few of them have. Those they talk about that. Experience you,
2:08:01
Speaker 10: know we saw in The big twelve this last year
2:08:02
Speaker 10: a lot of field. Suites we're looking at that in the,
2:08:05
Speaker 10: north just to create something low that you, know we
2:08:08
Speaker 10: don't block people's, view but just things like. That concessions
2:08:12
Speaker 10: is a big. Part they're going to oversee concessions. Too
2:08:14
Speaker 10: we've got a lot of QUALITY i think that we
2:08:15
Speaker 10: can improve. There so that's what we're trying to. DO
2:08:18
Speaker 10: i know the initial reaction, is, well everything's going to cost.
2:08:20
Speaker 10: More WELL i can't say it's not going to cost.
2:08:22
Speaker 10: More but what we want to do is make sure
2:08:24
Speaker 10: that we have more people on the.
2:08:26
Speaker 3: Process you, know we're gonna.
2:08:27
Speaker 10: We're gonna almost double our size of people that work
2:08:29
Speaker 10: on these, things and they're all gonna report to one
2:08:31
Speaker 10: person on the chair of that. Board so we'll work
2:08:33
Speaker 10: very closely together in my, team and we'll just see
2:08:35
Speaker 10: if we can't provide a better. Experience that's a big
2:08:37
Speaker 10: part of. IT i, mean, listen going to The huntsman
2:08:39
Speaker 10: is hard right. Now Right alex And wes and that,
2:08:42
Speaker 10: Group we're gonna do everything they. Can but you, KNOW
2:08:44
Speaker 10: i think we saw some improvements on things that we,
2:08:46
Speaker 10: did but we need to get a lot better for
2:08:48
Speaker 10: people's experience in there going.
2:08:49
Speaker 3: Forward these guys can help with that for.
2:08:51
Speaker 9: Sure and you, know again to be very reductive and
2:08:55
Speaker 9: basic about a private equity. Investment they find an asset
2:08:58
Speaker 9: that they believe, in an asset that they believe can
2:09:01
Speaker 9: at some point pay, dividends sometimes a distressed asset that
2:09:04
Speaker 9: they infuse capital, in make some personnel, changes change some
2:09:07
Speaker 9: things here or, there and then at the end of
2:09:09
Speaker 9: the day expect to make money off their original. Investment
2:09:13
Speaker 9: it's not that, complicated so as far as you, know
2:09:17
Speaker 9: kind of seeing around, corners which is what leaders have to.
2:09:19
Speaker 9: Do and you look at five to seven years down
2:09:21
Speaker 9: the road when the expected return is going to be asked.
2:09:25
Speaker 3: For is it open rights media?
2:09:27
Speaker 9: Deal is it all the improvements we're talking about to
2:09:29
Speaker 9: generate more? Revenue is it a big ten invited at some?
2:09:33
Speaker 3: Point, WELL i just.
2:09:35
Speaker 10: You know that far as the exit and, everything everything you're,
2:09:38
Speaker 10: Saying i'm not going to argue. WITH i, mean these
2:09:40
Speaker 10: guys aren't coming here to lose, money and they're certainly
2:09:42
Speaker 10: not coming to keep it. Flat otherwise they spent three
2:09:44
Speaker 10: years negotiating with. Us we just in all are, modeling
2:09:47
Speaker 10: And i've never modeled. Anything this is much in my
2:09:49
Speaker 10: life with all the people that we work. With i'll
2:09:51
Speaker 10: just tell you that that we believe the lift will
2:09:54
Speaker 10: be such that we will far exceed what we could
2:09:58
Speaker 10: have on our own, right especially since to your, point
2:10:01
Speaker 10: we had modeled deficits, right especially when payroll, started that
2:10:06
Speaker 10: we believe we can not only get back to you,
2:10:08
Speaker 10: know getting back to carrying, reserves but we can also
2:10:11
Speaker 10: get to a place where we're. Flourishing you avoid me
2:10:15
Speaker 10: going in and knocking On President reynold's office begging for
2:10:18
Speaker 10: things that really are probably better spent in other parts of.
2:10:20
Speaker 10: Campus we did not want to touch student. FEES i,
2:10:23
Speaker 10: mean there's a host of reasons why we went into,
2:10:26
Speaker 10: this and if it's a good, deal both parties. Win you,
2:10:30
Speaker 10: know we have government, rights we have board, majority we'll
2:10:34
Speaker 10: be able to handle any nefarious, actors WHICH i don't
2:10:37
Speaker 10: think at all are. Here so we feel like we've
2:10:40
Speaker 10: covered a lot of our. Bases but now it's time
2:10:42
Speaker 10: to get after.
2:10:42
Speaker 9: It last thing BEFORE i said you, LOWISE i reference
2:10:45
Speaker 9: kind of tongue in, cheek The big. Ten i'll ask
2:10:48
Speaker 9: you another question that's impossible to, know but you, know
2:10:50
Speaker 9: as a guy that's in the, ECOSYSTEM i certainly interested
2:10:53
Speaker 9: in your.
2:10:53
Speaker 3: Thoughts what does college football look like in five to seven?
2:10:56
Speaker 10: Years, yeah it's really, interesting, right AND i WISH i
2:10:59
Speaker 10: had a better feel for what the federal government is
2:11:02
Speaker 10: going to do over the next sixty. Days you, know
2:11:04
Speaker 10: we keep hearing these different. Things, obviously the markup of
2:11:06
Speaker 10: The senate bill Is. Thursday we'll look got through and
2:11:09
Speaker 10: what adjustments will it have in The. House and if
2:11:13
Speaker 10: this doesn't, happen then it's.
2:11:15
Speaker 3: Done.
2:11:15
Speaker 10: Right we are what we are until we can figure
2:11:18
Speaker 10: out a way to manage all these different state attorney
2:11:20
Speaker 10: journey generals and these certain, judges so it's difficult to
2:11:24
Speaker 10: predict WHERE i come. On this is my, Job Taylor.
2:11:29
Speaker 10: Reynolds job our donors are board is we have to
2:11:33
Speaker 10: kick ass in this. League we haven't gotten to the
2:11:36
Speaker 10: championship in football yet we.
2:11:39
Speaker 3: Are you, know we are performing.
2:11:43
Speaker 10: Slightly under overall than what we did coming in to
2:11:47
Speaker 10: the league over the last two. YEARS i think our
2:11:49
Speaker 10: second last year and the our last year we went
2:11:51
Speaker 10: out twelve or something league. Champions so we have come
2:11:55
Speaker 10: into the league and it's, like, okay. RIGHT i think
2:11:58
Speaker 10: in this third year coaches are trying to figure. Out
2:12:01
Speaker 10: i'm trying to figure it. Out we've come a long
2:12:04
Speaker 10: win understanding. TRAVEL i am so focused on right. NOW
2:12:07
Speaker 10: i just want to make sure whatever, happens we're. There
2:12:10
Speaker 10: i'm very convinced we will. Be BUT i want to
2:12:12
Speaker 10: make sure, that you, know let's not talk too far
2:12:14
Speaker 10: about all this stuff when my job is to make
2:12:16
Speaker 10: sure we're as good as we possibly can.
2:12:18
Speaker 3: Be and with that in, MIND i will let you
2:12:20
Speaker 3: leave after this.
2:12:21
Speaker 9: THOUGH i think football, fans hardcore football, fans that that's
2:12:26
Speaker 9: really their. Deal they see five hundred million dollars in
2:12:29
Speaker 9: capital and say we're going to go buy a. Quarterback
2:12:32
Speaker 9: the reality is Again Texas, TECH byu in your, league
2:12:37
Speaker 9: the two big, spenders and then throughout the landscape of college,
2:12:39
Speaker 9: football we could go over The Ohio states and The
2:12:41
Speaker 9: michigan's and everybody. Else is this capital infusion something that
2:12:46
Speaker 9: will help you keep up with your.
2:12:48
Speaker 3: Peers CONCERNING, NIL i.
2:12:51
Speaker 10: Think what we've, done even regardless of, that over the
2:12:54
Speaker 10: last thirteen fourteen, months has been pretty. Extraordinary it's just
2:12:58
Speaker 10: you get labeled as not having. ENOUGH i, MEAN i
2:13:02
Speaker 10: just challenge people to look at our football players that.
2:13:04
Speaker 3: We have retained over the last few. YEARS i, mean
2:13:06
Speaker 3: we retain two.
2:13:06
Speaker 10: Quarterbacks those guys are, great but you know what they're
2:13:09
Speaker 10: getting paid to and you know we're doing it by the.
2:13:11
Speaker 10: BOARD i know they frustrate some of our folks are hardcore,
2:13:14
Speaker 10: folks but that's just the way this university. Is that's
2:13:17
Speaker 10: the way the trustees and the president AND i are
2:13:19
Speaker 10: going to run. It we're going to turn in OUR nil.
2:13:21
Speaker 10: Deals if they're not, right we'll fix them and do them.
2:13:23
Speaker 10: Again it's not a capital problem that we're. Having when
2:13:26
Speaker 10: it comes to player. Compensation we've been able to retain
2:13:28
Speaker 10: a lot And alex And west have had a lot
2:13:30
Speaker 10: more to play with this last year because of different
2:13:33
Speaker 10: systems that we're. Learning AND i think these guys will
2:13:36
Speaker 10: come in and they'll help with all. That they're going
2:13:37
Speaker 10: to be a big part of helping us with AN il,
2:13:39
Speaker 10: too you better believe. It and as far as the upfront,
2:13:42
Speaker 10: capital that's for The president AND i and the trustees
2:13:44
Speaker 10: to figure out what's the best way to move. Forward
2:13:47
Speaker 10: we don't want to do anything but make the uthes.
2:13:49
Speaker 10: Better and the Thing i'm most excited about is how
2:13:52
Speaker 10: our annual revenues can go. Up that's really my. Focus
2:13:55
Speaker 10: we'll figure out what we're gonna do with all that
2:13:56
Speaker 10: at the right.
2:13:57
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Speaker 2: I Thought spence did a really great job with The
2:15:27
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2:15:38
Speaker 2: ANSWER i. WANTED i wanted just a, yes we can
2:15:43
Speaker 2: use this money to buy. Players AND i know That
2:15:48
Speaker 2: Mark carlan there's a political element to how you have to, talk,
2:15:54
Speaker 2: right and he's giving praise deserved praise to the retention
2:15:58
Speaker 2: That utah, did particularly With Devin Dan pierre And Bird
2:16:01
Speaker 2: ficklin And KELVIN. O bought in some of these, guys,
2:16:04
Speaker 2: Right but the number one burning question on the minds
2:16:08
Speaker 2: Of utah football fans is Will Otro capital's infusion of
2:16:14
Speaker 2: cash translate to better players on the field for The.
2:16:19
Speaker 2: Utes that's the whole. THING i need that clear. ANSWER
2:16:27
Speaker 2: i need like a definitive. Yes, otherwise as this private
2:16:35
Speaker 2: equity thing, continues we're just gonna be looking at increased.
2:16:39
Speaker 3: Ticket costs For utah.
2:16:40
Speaker 2: Fans AND i guess we'll wait until the financial reports
2:16:46
Speaker 2: come out in a.
2:16:47
Speaker 1: YEAR i don't.
2:16:48
Speaker 2: Know feels unclear, still Despite spence's best efforts and with all,
2:16:55
Speaker 2: THIS i say this with as much respect as you
2:16:58
Speaker 2: were saying TO oc you when you're the athletic director
2:17:02
Speaker 2: at any, university BUT i think particularly at a public
2:17:04
Speaker 2: university Like Mark carlan, is there are sometimes when you
2:17:09
Speaker 2: don't feel like you can answer things totally, directly AND
2:17:12
Speaker 2: i totally respect, that get.
2:17:14
Speaker 1: It that's.
2:17:15
Speaker 2: Fine it did feel like he kind of avoided the question,
2:17:18
Speaker 2: though like just and decided instead of answering the. Question
2:17:22
Speaker 2: AND i don't think this is a bad way of
2:17:24
Speaker 2: not answering the. Question reminding people that, hey we actually
2:17:27
Speaker 2: did a really good job of retaining, people that's, great
2:17:29
Speaker 2: but it also defers attention from the, fact like, it
2:17:34
Speaker 2: there needs to be an. ACKNOWLEDGEMENT i know there is
2:17:36
Speaker 2: from the coaching, staff a continual acknowledgment that we need
2:17:40
Speaker 2: to do better in these. Areas and if this is a,
2:17:44
Speaker 2: solution tell, us if this is a potential, solution tell.
2:17:48
Speaker 2: Us we all know That utah needs to do better IN.
2:17:52
Speaker 2: Nil the twenty one to twenty five million dollars max
2:17:58
Speaker 2: out That utah's going to be able to give players
2:18:01
Speaker 2: that's revenue, share AND nil combined from every source That i've,
2:18:06
Speaker 2: heard is not enough to consistently without, overachieving compete with
2:18:13
Speaker 2: teams that frankly have higher salary caps than. You that's
2:18:16
Speaker 2: the whole thing, here AND i hate that that's what
2:18:19
Speaker 2: it is now. Right part of what Made utah such
2:18:22
Speaker 2: a great program for so long and why so many
2:18:25
Speaker 2: people from like The Cougar board and The Mattador club
2:18:29
Speaker 2: are just like we're better than. You, no you're. Not
2:18:31
Speaker 2: your coaches aren't. Better your players are just higher, paid
2:18:36
Speaker 2: and some of them don't even perform like, it, right
2:18:41
Speaker 2: your return on investment is lower at this.
2:18:45
Speaker 1: Point, ANYWAY i love the, INTERVIEW i love the.
2:18:52
Speaker 2: INSIGHT i appreciate That Mark carlin took time out of
2:18:55
Speaker 2: the busy schedule to come. ON i don't want to
2:18:57
Speaker 2: sound Like i'm just crapping on. It it was just
2:19:00
Speaker 2: the only THING i needed to hear answered that wasn't
2:19:02
Speaker 2: answered in that whole. Conversation i'll say, This spence did
2:19:06
Speaker 2: not did not give him any. Softballs spence asked him
2:19:11
Speaker 2: some of the asked him to account for some of
2:19:14
Speaker 2: the for all the things that has broke news from
2:19:18
Speaker 2: The Utah Athletic department since the beginning of the, year
2:19:20
Speaker 2: basically Since wit left to take The michigan. Job, right
2:19:26
Speaker 2: And Mark, HARLAN i don't. THINK i don't think he
2:19:30
Speaker 2: dodged any of the. QUESTIONS i think that he just
2:19:34
Speaker 2: answered that last one a little a little, more a
2:19:37
Speaker 2: little more indirectly than we would have Liked. Oci but besides,
2:19:40
Speaker 2: THAT i really applaud him for being as open as
2:19:43
Speaker 2: he was and being willing to kind of be grilled
2:19:45
Speaker 2: a little bit By. Spence Check it's in great job
2:19:47
Speaker 2: By spence for asking the hard.
2:19:48
Speaker 1: Questions it was.
2:19:49
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2:19:51
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2:20:10
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2:20:11
Speaker 1: Carlin that's.
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Speaker 2: Dump by the, Way venus And Serena williams are teaming
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Speaker 2: back up For Wimbledon Little.
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Speaker 3: Doubles sister sister.
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Speaker 2: Action i'm particularly excited about this, because, uh that MEANS
2:23:29
Speaker 2: i might get to watch. Them venus And serena teaming
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Speaker 1: Wimbledon i'm going To wimbledon this.
2:23:40
Speaker 2: Year that's bragging camp. Going oh, See.
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Speaker 1: I'm getting pretty good at. It you getting prety good at.
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Speaker 2: It, no That's i'm insanely. Jealous that's my favorite Tennis Grand.
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Speaker 2: SLAM i think it's a lot of people's. Favorite it's
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Speaker 2: on the bucket list to make it to The All England.
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Speaker 2: Club so that's. Cool and, yeah this unexpected coming out
2:24:09
Speaker 2: of retirement For serena makes it even more exciting for
2:24:12
Speaker 2: people like you get to be there in. Person they
2:24:15
Speaker 2: have won The wimbledon titles six times as a. Pair
2:24:18
Speaker 2: now they're forty four and forty five years, old they're
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Speaker 2: not exactly favorites. Here they've won the singles titles twelve
2:24:25
Speaker 2: times between the two of. Them serena won it seven,
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Speaker 2: Times venus won it five To you're how annoying it
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Speaker 2: has to be to Be Venus. Williams you Win wimbledon five,
2:24:37
Speaker 2: times and your little sister is just, like, wow without,
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Speaker 2: me you would be the best female tennis player in
2:24:44
Speaker 2: the history of the.
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Speaker 1: Sport But i'm just a little bit better than.
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Speaker 1: Ten It's he's, like you just can't.
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Speaker 2: Win but it's reversed Because cheryl's the older sibling in that.
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Speaker 2: Case but, okay, yeah so you love. That So i'm
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Speaker 2: going to be at The All England.
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Speaker 1: Club this is.
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Speaker 2: Exciting, Okay i'm going to be at The All England
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Speaker 2: club On july. Second that is the singles second round
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Speaker 2: and doubles first. Round there's a good chance THAT i
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Speaker 2: wander over to whatever Court venus And serena are playing
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Speaker 2: on and be, like don't you know WHO i? Am
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Speaker 9: Show you're going To. Wimbledon, yeah such a snob, DUDE i.
2:26:06
Speaker 9: Know man of the people on this side over. HERE
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Speaker 9: i cannot.
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Speaker 2: Wait i'm gonna wear a linen shirts and. Everything are
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Speaker 2: you flying The delta one laid back?
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Speaker 3: Seats?
2:26:16
Speaker 1: No actually taking the private jet this?
2:26:18
Speaker 3: Time see yeah okay yeah that. Tracks that tracks.
2:26:21
Speaker 9: So so the rest of us will just be here
2:26:23
Speaker 9: working hard while you're over In london.
2:26:27
Speaker 1: Town, yes having strawberries and.
2:26:28
Speaker 3: Cream have you?
2:26:29
Speaker 1: EVER i have not.
2:26:30
Speaker 2: Been is this your First wimbledon? Experience it is my
2:26:32
Speaker 2: First wimbledon. Experience i'm very much looking forward to. It
2:26:35
Speaker 2: my wife got to go last year with her family
2:26:38
Speaker 2: and the guy who is like the family hookup for
2:26:41
Speaker 2: tickets was.
2:26:42
Speaker 1: Saying, oh man with the sports guy didn't even get to.
2:26:44
Speaker 2: Come we had A pfl event last year and he's,
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Speaker 2: like the sports guy didn't get to.
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Speaker 1: Come i'm, like, yeah thanks for inviting. Me we've been so.
2:26:50
Speaker 1: Great so then this year he's, like we got to
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Speaker 1: get you to.
2:26:53
Speaker 3: Come.
2:26:53
Speaker 2: Yeah so just incredible generosity from someone who's way cooler than.
2:26:57
Speaker 1: Me i'm lucky enough to.
2:26:59
Speaker 3: Go you have a excuse, me you have a hookup
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Speaker 3: For wimbledon.
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Speaker 1: Tickets well just this?
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Speaker 9: Year, yeah, okay, YEAH i must be, guy, yeah it
2:27:07
Speaker 9: just it must be. NICE i don't know how the
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Speaker 9: other half. Lives, yeah Sorry, Spence yeah over here and
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Speaker 9: that's here suckers had to tell.
2:27:15
Speaker 2: Outfit, yeah great job with The Mark harlan interviewed.
2:27:18
Speaker 3: Yesterday thank. You that was. Awesome, YEAH i thought it was.
2:27:20
Speaker 9: Good surprised that he, said we're gonna hear an announcement
2:27:24
Speaker 9: on the apparel deal in the next week or.
2:27:26
Speaker 3: So that's.
2:27:27
Speaker 1: Great, yeah boiler alerted To. Adidas but is it Really?
2:27:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, OKAY i was pulling for the swoosh.
2:27:36
Speaker 1: Not, happening.
2:27:37
Speaker 2: Okay and, actually you, know it's funny because like some
2:27:40
Speaker 2: of the guys Like Tommy hackenbrook of all, people took To.
2:27:43
Speaker 2: Twitter it was just, like we had A nike deal
2:27:45
Speaker 2: and it. Sucked oh, really and you. Talk so this
2:27:49
Speaker 2: happens when you're A nike school but you're not one
2:27:51
Speaker 2: of the Cool nike, schools When nike hasn't put you
2:27:53
Speaker 2: on a.
2:27:53
Speaker 1: Pedestal, yeah that's.
2:27:54
Speaker 2: True they give you like old, stuff bad, stuff less of,
2:27:58
Speaker 2: variety and you want to be a featured And utah
2:28:03
Speaker 2: was for a time with Under, armour you got treated.
2:28:05
Speaker 2: Well so, look the only reason Why nike would, be
2:28:09
Speaker 2: in my, opinion significantly better For utah is because you
2:28:13
Speaker 2: generate a lot of revenue based off of what people
2:28:16
Speaker 2: are buying in the, bookstore, Right and The nike stuff
2:28:20
Speaker 2: is just gonna be. Cooler But i'll wear it as
2:28:24
Speaker 2: long as we maintain drum and feather. Dominance i'll Wear. Adidas,
2:28:29
Speaker 2: yeah the Unlike adida shoes a lot better Than, adidas
2:28:32
Speaker 2: cleats are in my, opinion the best.
2:28:34
Speaker 9: Cleat that's WHAT i was going to ask, you because
2:28:36
Speaker 9: when it comes to basketball, shoes It's nike and everybody.
2:28:40
Speaker 9: Else But nike cleats aren't as good as The adidas
2:28:43
Speaker 9: cleats in my.
2:28:44
Speaker 2: Opinion, okay interesting and, there and the Under armour cleats
2:28:47
Speaker 2: are abysmally. Bad and so that's a huge upgrade and
2:28:52
Speaker 2: for players that's what matters.
2:28:54
Speaker 9: Most, YEAH i was surprised that we were going to
2:28:56
Speaker 9: learn that this, week BUT i guess you just told
2:28:58
Speaker 9: us what it is, today so we don't have to.
2:29:00
Speaker 1: Wait, well it.
2:29:03
Speaker 2: DON'T i don't mean to spoil anyone's, party but it's
2:29:05
Speaker 2: it's the worst kept secret in the.
2:29:07
Speaker 9: Business hashtag. Sources sean hashtag. SOURCES i, mean you're the
2:29:10
Speaker 9: guy that told Us Alex jensen was getting hired as
2:29:12
Speaker 9: the head coach Of.
2:29:14
Speaker 2: Utah, asked let's see IF i get chastised for the
2:29:17
Speaker 2: chastise for that and out there he probably need his
2:29:19
Speaker 2: thing the same WAY i.
2:29:20
Speaker 9: Got, hey we're not there, yet you kind of. Are
2:29:24
Speaker 9: AND i did Appreciate mark's. Willingness he gave me a
2:29:27
Speaker 9: couple of side eyes with. QUESTIONS a couple of. TIMES
2:29:30
Speaker 9: i could tell he wasn't thrilled with Certain, well but
2:29:33
Speaker 9: you asked those questions, Anyway BUT i. WAS i APPRECIATE
2:29:36
Speaker 9: i appreciated him taking the. Time it was awesome because
2:29:38
Speaker 9: To MARK'S kredi he walked in and, said you can
2:29:40
Speaker 9: ask me whatever you want And i'll give you as
2:29:42
Speaker 9: much time as You AND i thought he handled.
2:29:44
Speaker 2: Even the questions he probably didn't want to talk about.
2:29:46
Speaker 2: It thought he handled the Great. NO i appreciate the most.
2:29:48
Speaker 2: Party you asked the best question, last AND i needed
2:29:52
Speaker 2: to know the direct answer on, it and he was
2:29:54
Speaker 2: able to masterfully skate around it to some, degree which
2:29:57
Speaker 2: one the, One, hey all the football people want to,
2:30:00
Speaker 2: know does this mean you can go out and buy a.
2:30:03
Speaker 2: Quarterback and he did a great job of giving praise
2:30:06
Speaker 2: that it was very much due to the coaching, staff
2:30:09
Speaker 2: to the people in the personnel department who maintained and
2:30:12
Speaker 2: retained excellent talent and good and il deals for the
2:30:17
Speaker 2: guys that you value on this roster. Already but the
2:30:20
Speaker 2: name of the, game and the most important thing here
2:30:22
Speaker 2: is you're well aware with an infusion of capital or
2:30:26
Speaker 2: a new plan to bring in extra revenue or whatever
2:30:30
Speaker 2: is how does that translate to player? Personnel that is
2:30:34
Speaker 2: the biggest, Question AND i think it will because now
2:30:38
Speaker 2: the funds That Ultro capital is bringing in will replace
2:30:43
Speaker 2: what may have been you, know donor stuff or revenue
2:30:47
Speaker 2: stuff in the.
2:30:47
Speaker 3: Past well in the, yes.
2:30:49
Speaker 9: Correct and the other thing THAT i really took away
2:30:53
Speaker 9: from that is that this partnership With Outro capital isn't
2:30:56
Speaker 9: only about infusing economic support into the program right.
2:31:01
Speaker 3: Away it's also bringing on.
2:31:03
Speaker 9: Three, operators, yes, three you, know three employees who have excuse,
2:31:10
Speaker 9: me who have experience in the pro sports landscape that
2:31:14
Speaker 9: are going to utilize the study That mark was thrilled
2:31:17
Speaker 9: to sell a tribute and has got their hands on
2:31:20
Speaker 9: to put things on the table to generate more revenue
2:31:23
Speaker 9: that have kind of been lost in the. Shuffle, sure
2:31:25
Speaker 9: AND i did Appreciate Marks candor in discussing the comments
2:31:29
Speaker 9: that were made, about you, know we solve problems where
2:31:33
Speaker 9: you don't put systems into. Place sometimes we're not sure
2:31:35
Speaker 9: what the leadership is, doing and the leaders sitting here
2:31:37
Speaker 9: in the studio willing to say we need to get.
2:31:40
Speaker 9: Better so it's one thing to have cash infused your.
2:31:44
Speaker 9: Program it's another thing to put things in place to
2:31:46
Speaker 9: continue to generate more. Revenue because until the meteaites go
2:31:50
Speaker 9: back to market or whatever that looks like in twenty
2:31:53
Speaker 9: thirty twenty thirty, one it became very clear during that,
2:31:56
Speaker 9: interview as he, said generate more revenue maybe seven times
2:32:00
Speaker 9: that until, then they do have to come up with
2:32:03
Speaker 9: creative ways to make more. Money and he also admitted
2:32:07
Speaker 9: that the consumer experience is going to be more expensive.
2:32:09
Speaker 9: Now tickets are raised every. Year, yeah and that's not
2:32:12
Speaker 9: Just utah. FOOTBALL i mean The jazz have raised their
2:32:15
Speaker 9: tickets every single. Year that's how this. Works even if
2:32:18
Speaker 9: you're not, good they're going to raise ticket. Prices but
2:32:21
Speaker 9: he talked about. Concessions he, said bunker. Suites, okay he
2:32:25
Speaker 9: said that out loud bunker suites talked about The North end, zone,
2:32:29
Speaker 9: Right so that sounds LIKE i don't know if they're
2:32:30
Speaker 9: going to be able to do it this.
2:32:31
Speaker 3: YEAR i mean it's already Mid, june so probably.
2:32:34
Speaker 9: Not but at some POINT Ricekl stadium is going to
2:32:37
Speaker 9: receive a facelift and as a, result you are going
2:32:39
Speaker 9: to be asked to pay more money for your.
2:32:40
Speaker 3: Experience you.
2:32:41
Speaker 2: Know it's going to be cool, though when THAT i
2:32:45
Speaker 2: can't remember the name of the campus drive or whatever
2:32:47
Speaker 2: that goes to the north of The North end zone
2:32:51
Speaker 2: between The fieldhouse and in the bookstore there in the,
2:32:53
Speaker 2: bookstore when that's a, tunnel because now The North End
2:32:57
Speaker 2: zone stands go up over the road and onto the.
2:33:01
Speaker 2: Roof that's gonna be cool.
2:33:03
Speaker 3: LOOKING i have a feeling you're taking some creative liberties.
2:33:06
Speaker 2: Here that's gonna. Happen that's gonna, happen, yeah because how
2:33:09
Speaker 2: else are you gonna expand capacity in The North end.
2:33:11
Speaker 9: Zone, Okay SO i didn't take that as an. EXPANSION
2:33:15
Speaker 9: i took that as creating bunker suites like right behind
2:33:19
Speaker 9: the end.
2:33:19
Speaker 3: Zone But i'm not an, architects so maybe you're. Right
2:33:24
Speaker 3: maybe it's a, tunnel.
2:33:25
Speaker 2: So you're gonna Sacrifice North End zone. Seats that is
2:33:28
Speaker 2: the that is the exact group of people in the fan.
2:33:30
Speaker 2: Base you do not want to upset The North End zone.
2:33:34
Speaker 2: Fans that is. It that is a, demographic The North
2:33:37
Speaker 2: End zone. Fan they are the ones that will show
2:33:40
Speaker 2: up at your office if you if you get rid
2:33:42
Speaker 2: of their.
2:33:42
Speaker 9: Seats you are talking to a former season ticket holder
2:33:45
Speaker 9: in The North End zone for six years. EXACTLY i
2:33:47
Speaker 9: know you don't relate because you're going To wimbledon and,
2:33:49
Speaker 9: stuff but that's WHERE i sat with my son for six.
2:33:51
Speaker 9: YEARS i would be in the bunker, swites thank. YOU
2:33:54
Speaker 9: i don't know that they're eliminating. SEATS i think they.
2:33:57
Speaker 2: Are, actually how could you add a bunker suite without
2:33:59
Speaker 2: eliminationaing what's already? There, WELL i don't know unless you
2:34:02
Speaker 2: expand up over the. Road, WELL i don't know how
2:34:04
Speaker 2: many bunker suites you could. LOOK i have zero.
2:34:06
Speaker 9: Clue i've not seen the, renderings but he did Say
2:34:09
Speaker 9: North End zone bunker, Suites SO i think we should
2:34:11
Speaker 9: prepare for that to look, different and maybe they do
2:34:13
Speaker 9: expand it all the way to the bookstore where it's a,
2:34:15
Speaker 9: tunnel because that would look pretty.
2:34:17
Speaker 1: Cool not to the.
2:34:19
Speaker 3: Bookstore, why sorry for.
2:34:22
Speaker 2: You're the roof that Says utah on it right. Now
2:34:25
Speaker 2: shout Out keith Van horn for helping raise those. Funds
2:34:30
Speaker 2: that's going to be obscured by an expanded grand, stand and,
2:34:35
Speaker 2: uh you might as well tunnel it.
2:34:36
Speaker 1: Out let's.
2:34:36
Speaker 3: Go so you think they should Expand Rahs Eco.
2:34:38
Speaker 2: STADIUM i think that you have to add more seats
2:34:42
Speaker 2: there in the north end.
2:34:44
Speaker 3: Zone to add bunker, suites add bunker.
2:34:46
Speaker 9: Suites, yeah, well neither of us are, architects SO i
2:34:49
Speaker 9: guess we'll have to see what.
2:34:50
Speaker 3: Happens Maybe i'm Not, adidas.
2:34:53
Speaker 9: Huh, now they do an excellent job with soccer.
2:34:56
Speaker 1: Gear they do a great job with football.
2:34:58
Speaker 2: Gear they just have had better than under, armour which
2:35:03
Speaker 2: is really the key.
2:35:03
Speaker 9: Here it's been a long time SINCE i walked into
2:35:08
Speaker 9: like the bookstore Or utah You, zone whatever, Store Red,
2:35:12
Speaker 9: zone whatever. Store it'd been, like, YEP i need, THAT
2:35:14
Speaker 9: i need that, sweatshirt And i'd like to sport More utah.
2:35:17
Speaker 9: Gear it's, just if we're, HONEST byu has kind of
2:35:21
Speaker 9: Lapped utah when it comes to the the gear because
2:35:25
Speaker 9: there of, course they're A nike school THAT i think is, valued,
2:35:28
Speaker 9: RIGHT i mean that partnership means a lot To. Nike
2:35:31
Speaker 9: so we need to Improve utah's gear and that's one
2:35:34
Speaker 9: way that you can find another revenue.
2:35:36
Speaker 2: Stream Arizona, State, Indiana, Kansas, Louisville, Miami, Tennessee TEXAS a
2:35:45
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2:35:46
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2:35:47
Speaker 2: Washington, okay go look at what you see from. Them
2:35:51
Speaker 2: washington's got some good gear and that's what you, know
2:35:54
Speaker 2: hopefully you can get out. Of if IF i, should
2:35:58
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2:36:01
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2:36:05
Speaker 9: List trying to think If miami's gear is cool or
2:36:07
Speaker 9: If i'm nostalgic because they were awesome in the.
2:36:09
Speaker 3: NINETIES i Think louisville does a pretty good. Job that's
2:36:12
Speaker 3: a good. List that's a good list of schools to be.
2:36:14
Speaker 3: ON i don't mind that at.
2:36:16
Speaker 2: All, Well adidas must have loved that they had two
2:36:22
Speaker 2: teams representing in The National Championship game last.
2:36:26
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Speaker 2: not going to try to get any of the nil.
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Speaker 2: Money we've already paid him back because he's probably, like,
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Speaker 2: dudes it's.
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Speaker 3: Gone gessler took it.
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Speaker 2: All, yeah expected that that legal filing will be reversed
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Speaker 2: today and that in the next twenty four hours he
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Speaker 2: will officially be put, up putting himself up for eligibility
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Speaker 2: in THE Nfl Supplemental.
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Speaker 9: Draft two, things it's the right, Move this is what
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Speaker 9: needed to, Happen AND i genuinely hope the kid goes
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Speaker 9: on and does, well it has a.
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Speaker 1: Career that's another beautiful thing. Here maybe this is the hot.
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Speaker 2: Take he immediately becomes somebody that you can root, for
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Speaker 2: right because it's, like, AH i screwed this, up and
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Speaker 2: now there's a. Consequence some people think it should be
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Speaker 2: a more severe consequence because he gets to keep some
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Speaker 2: money and he gets to go play in THE. Nfl
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Speaker 2: if he was in the regular draft next year and
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Speaker 2: he's a first round draft, pick he's getting anywhere from
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Speaker 2: like a ten to twenty five million dollars signing. Bonus
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Speaker 2: you don't get that in the supplemental. Draft it's gonna
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Speaker 2: get five Hundred. Grandah so there's some consequences, here and
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Speaker 2: now you're, like all, right, man good, luck have.
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Speaker 3: Fun, yeah and he did skirt a federal.
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Speaker 9: Crime it's beit clear he's still getting off relatively scott.
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Speaker 9: Free BUT i do wish the kid well AND i
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Speaker 9: think this is what needed to.
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Speaker 1: Happen That's Spence.
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Speaker 2: Check it's stay tuned for the drive and remember go
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Speaker 2: listen to The Mark harlan interview if you didn't hear.
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Speaker 3: It