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EP035 When UFOs Meet Scripture: A Christian Take on Aliens · The Immutable Word

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Welcome back to The Immutable Word. Today we have a special episode planned for you today.
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We actually have a caller on the line for the first time on The Immutable Word,
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and we have Robert joining us actually remotely.
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He's not in the studio or the garage with me today, so we're trying something new.
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So we're on a Google Meet, and we're going to go ahead and run this episode
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remotely, so bear with us.
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But we do have a special episode planned. I alluded to something maybe mysterious
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that we might be talking about.
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And I think indeed we do have something mysterious, a little bit interesting,
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a little bit of a departure of what we've been covering in the last several episodes.
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So we think you're going to enjoy it.
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Let us know in the comments or just send us a message if you have anything interesting
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to add to what we're going to talk about today. So Robert, how are you doing?
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I'm doing pretty good. What's going on? Nothing much. Just been pretty busy.
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I know it's been kind of tough to get together.
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Obviously, this is why we're doing a remote podcast for the first time hopefully
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it's going to turn out well maybe it will i'm sure it will but we've been pretty
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busy with our schedule so we're having to meet remotely today for this episode.
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It'll be a good dry run, especially when I know we're planning on trying to have guest speakers on.
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Sometimes they're going to be calling, so it'll be a good test run for it.
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Yeah, for sure. We're testing it out, and we definitely want to have people
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on and just being able to test out different software, different methods of
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being able to meet remotely if we have to, especially if it's more than two people.
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So I think it will go well. I'm pretty excited about it.
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But anyways, we're going to be talking about something pretty interesting today, Robert.
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I think what we're about to cover is it's been pretty saturated,
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and I think that we're going to talk about why that is.
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And, of course, we're going to put a scriptural lens or look through the scriptural
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view or the biblical view of what we're going to cover.
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But, Robert, do you want to introduce it?
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Yeah, I mean, just to kind of give some context, right?
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We're going to be talking about really how a Christian should approach the whole topic of aliens.
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Obviously, in the last year or two, there's been a rise in interest in UFOlogy, UFOs in general.
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You have a lot of the disclosure stuff that's been alluded to by the government.
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There's obviously been legends and obsession around UFOs.
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Christians ask, is this real? Is it not real?
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Does the Bible say anything that could shed light on possibly what these aliens are, right?
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And of course, there's a lot of stuff that whenever the more you look into the
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Word of God, there is a little bit of some light that's given.
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You know, we talk about things that are beyond the veil.
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So we'll talk about, I think, really the best way to kind of approach this is
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obviously, you kind of said it initially, is, you know, we've got to start from
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a scriptural foundation.
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There's something out there. There's enough publicity, enough alleged witnesses
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and reports, and we're talking about, you know, people from all walks of life, right?
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Whether they're doctors, you know, people in professional positions.
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I mean, you're talking about airplane pilots, military, obviously with the military,
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the Tic Tac videos that were brought up in Congress a year and a half ago.
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So it's like these aren't just you know crazy tinfoil hat type of people that
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are talking about this so they so the question is is you know is there something
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out there i think because the preponderance of the evidence it suggests that
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there is something out there that's.
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For the Bible believer, what's our conclusion, right?
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Because I mean, obviously, the conflict with the Christian is,
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you know, God created man, but he didn't create aliens.
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So, but when we look at the scripture, there are more than just mankind that exists.
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So I think that's why, you know, we say we've got to kind of lay a principle,
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you know, the scriptural foundation, right?
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That's what all of our opinions need to be based off of.
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So whether it's, you know, direct, indirect experience, secular science,
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or, you know, the eyewitness testimony, even the documentaries around aliens,
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the bottom line is we've got to judge it by scripture.
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And if it's not in the scripture, then at best, it's just a distraction.
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At worst, at worst, it's going to be a deception, right?
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So we've got to let the Bible at
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least give us some kind of level of interpretation with regard to aliens.
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Yeah, it's smart to start there because I think at first glance for a Christian,
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I think there could be some conflict there.
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And you referenced it when you're saying, well, if there's aliens out there,
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I mean, Jesus died for mankind, what about them? And that's been brought up.
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But I can see this being a little bit taboo for a Christian thinking about this
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thing. I mean, first of all, it's weird.
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It really hasn't had any sort of credibility or really had been saturated until
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the last, what, 10 years or so,
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where just people in general are more accepting or even more open,
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which goes deeper into what we might think that is, why people are more accepting of it.
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But from a Christian point of view, I think it's important to address that,
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you know, how should we look at it and what does scripture say about it?
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And I think that's where we really need to get the right footing before going into the rest of it.
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You know, I was going to mention, you know, you gave me a Bible a few years
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ago for my birthday, I believe, and you wrote an inscription in there,
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and you said the Bible is the most paranormal book in existence.
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And there's a statement, I think I heard it off of a podcast,
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and it says that Christians or the church today has a truncated view of the paranormal.
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And the truth of the matter is, our Bible goes beyond just the physical realm.
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It talks about things in the spiritual realm so
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this is where we have to we have to kind of guide ourselves this
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discussion is where we where we going right is it
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you know are we going to go the science fiction legend route
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or are we going to have to look at what the bible actually says about our current
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reality and and then kind of you know okay well you know we might not be able
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to explain it scientifically but could we explain it spiritually right so terms
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are different but that the Bible, I think,
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is very explicit about some of these things, and you can't ignore it.
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And I think Christians that go, oh, I don't want to deal with aliens because
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that's too taboo of a subject.
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The bottom line of the Bible still says that we have to have an answer for,
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you know, for the reason of the hope, obviously, but we have to be able to provide an answer.
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Somebody's going to say, well, my view of UFOs and aliens and things like that
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is in conflict with the Bible. How do you reconcile the two?
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Right. So that's why I think it's, it's a good, healthy conversation.
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We're not saying get obsessed with it.
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You know, we're not saying start, you know, traveling all over the country looking for UFOs.
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We're saying that, hey, at least can we have a plausible.
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Reasonable scriptural explanation for these things yeah
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fair and i think that's the right way to start and uh
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speaking of obsession i i wouldn't say i had an obsession but maybe an unhealthy
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interest since i was a kid in regards to things like ufos only because it was
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mysterious and and find it pretty pretty fascinating hollywood's obviously aided
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that right i mean We think about Star Wars, Star Trek,
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all these movies about intergalactic space travel and life on other planets.
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Hollywood's obviously aided in that general fascination, obsession. And acceptance, too.
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I mean, we're desensitized over just in the last 10 years or so, right?
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We've got the government that's acknowledging that there's something out there.
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We're seeing all the video evidence. We're seeing this being injected in culture
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and movies and everything else in between.
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And now you've got this desensitized population. population, yeah.
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So, it's become normal. Like, what Hollywood presents, I believe,
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creates an alternate reality for people.
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And so, you know, if they can't explain it, they'll go, well,
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I saw this on this movie, so that must be the truth.
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Right. So and I personally think Hollywood is preparing people for the Antichrist
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and for what's going to be coming in the future.
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So, yeah, that begs the question, why is that?
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You know, why are people being prepared? Why are we being desensitized to this
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type of activity or the anomalies that we see and people being more acceptance to it?
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Right. So there's a connection, I think, with the Antichrist.
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And maybe that's where we can, you know, maybe we can look at that into that,
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too. Well, yeah, we'll definitely get there.
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I think we have to lay the groundwork.
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First of all, we've already kind of mentioned it, but there's a spiritual reality for Christians.
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There's obviously an unseen realm that exists. It's not just empty.
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It's not physical enemies. The Bible even tells us that, for example,
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the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but spiritual, pulling down strongholds and so forth.
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But Ephesians 6.12, the Bible says, for we wrestle not against flesh and blood,
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so not physical, wrestle against flesh and blood.
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It's not something carnal or physical, but against principalities,
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number one, against powers, number two, against rulers of the darkness,
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number three, and against spiritual wickedness in high places, number four.
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There's four descriptions of the spiritual realm.
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You have powers, principalities, rulers of darkness, and spiritual wickedness in high places.
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Now, you can look at that, if you want to look at it as being redundant four
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times, that's fine. But the Bible, I believe every word matters.
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Principalities, you think about that word principality.
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That's like a prince. So we think of municipality, which is like a local government, right?
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How a government will organize and structure itself and rule over a city or a region or whatever.
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Well, principalities are the same thing. Well, what do you see in the book of Daniel?
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You see Daniel praying and this bright being shows up and tells him that the
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prince of Persia hindered him.
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He was going to go talk to him but the prince of
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persia hindered him and he talks about the prince
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of israel is michael the archangel so he's
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talking about an archangel which is obviously a spiritual realm which means
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that you had this prince of persia which
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is a physical country but it had a spiritual proxy
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or a spiritual representative right you know
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that was associated with persia the country
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of persia so which is ironic and i
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think it's enlightening because it tells you hey there's
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more going on in the background than just
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the physical realm what we see you know we often say
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well you know obviously when you pray you know
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we're asking god to move on the spiritual realm and
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our greatest enemy isn't the physical god even you know the bible even says
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don't fear him that can kill the body but him that can kill spirit and body
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right soul and body i'm sorry And so the key is here is that there is more to
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this life than just the physical.
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And the Bible does open that door and tells you, hey, your war is a spiritual
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warfare. It's not a physical warfare. And I think that's very, very important.
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That Ephesians 6.12 is a very important verse to think about when considering
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this whole subject of aliens.
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Yeah, it's interesting because what it's telling you, there's a lot more than
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to the reality that we see today, right?
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There's more to the spiritual side of things than there is to the reality that we see.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. There's plenty of examples. Like, you know, one of the things
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about the alien phenomenon, I guess, that you have to kind of reconcile is this.
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Are they intergalactic beings from another planet or another universe or another solar system?
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Or are they interdimensional? And
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I think it's very important to make that distinction
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because the idea is that when we
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see ufos we think oh this is a advanced spacecraft from
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another advanced civilization in another part
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of the universe and that's generally been the idea what
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i find very interesting especially with the whole you know the ufo disclosure
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you know the and they call them uaps now right unidentified area phenomena well
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remember that and back in 2024 late 2024 when you know pentagon had started ARO,
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the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office.
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They were talking about the whole subject and the goal of that.
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Particular office was to investigate unexplained
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phenomena what they called them is unidentified aerial phenomena
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to get away i think to get away from ufo the stigma
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of it yeah right but you know
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their testimony they were looking at anomalous performance
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of these you know these objects like you
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know obviously back in in in september 9th the the house had a hearing and and
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they were talking to you know u.s navy veterans other you know military personnel
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about the tic-tac object that emerged from the ocean and and they were talking
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about how fast it was moving,
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it was going beyond physical nature you know what i'm saying it was doing things
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yeah i was just to say if people haven't seen that i mean just look it up on
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youtube there's videos all over the place and it's pretty insane just observing
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how it operated no control surfaces there's no nothing.
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It's just, when he even went into the water, when it comes to physical properties,
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it just didn't follow the same laws of physics.
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Without changing speed. Yeah.
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And no, like, no impact to the environment around. It's very strange.
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Right. They said they called it operating transmedium, moving between water
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and air without a change in the performance and accelerating instantaneously
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with no visible propulsion or sonic boom.
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There was no heat signatures right so i mean you look at something like that
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and you're and you gotta say man you know that is advanced technology or it's something else right.
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And so, kind of going back to this whole interdimensional thing,
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I think this is where kind of the groundwork that kind of gives us a little
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bit of insight into whether or not is this spiritual? Is this physical?
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Is this intergalactic? Is this, you know, of another world?
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Well, the Bible gives us, obviously it tells us there's a spiritual world, right?
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When Daniel's praying, this angel appears out of nowhere. Jesus Christ,
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even when he appeared to the disciples after he rose from the dead,
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appeared in the middle of the room, in a closed room, instantaneously.
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So there's obviously another world beside the physical world.
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So when you start to examine scripture, you know what you find,
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or at least the evidence points to, is that it's not intergalactic,
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it's interdimensional.
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Because they're there. And I think one of the greatest examples of that in Scripture
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is in 2 Kings 6, where you have Elisha and his servant.
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And of course, they're surrounded by a foreign army that's supposed to destroy Israel.
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And the servant was scared to death. He's thinking, man, they're going to kill us. We're outnumbered.
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And in verse 17, the Bible says Elisha prayed and said, Lord,
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I pray thee, open his eyes that he may see.
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So these so he couldn't see spiritually physically
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he's looking around there's nothing physical there to give him the idea that
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they're that they you know are not outnumbered but the lord opened the eyes
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of the young man the bible says and it says he saw and behold the mountain was
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full of horses and chariots of fire round about elisha that means they were there the whole time.
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That means they're not in another galaxy. They're obviously in another dimension.
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And God healed back the curtain of that dimension, right?
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That's the veil. And boom, that's the veil. That's what happened.
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And so, you know, the Bible indicates that, hey, there is another dimension that's operating.
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We call it the spiritual dimension, you know? So this, you know,
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the whole UAP phenomenon,
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the ARO, you know, the Pentagon's ARO office, you know, there was obviously
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there was some, there was a lot of really important people that were, that were interviewed.
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Like, for example, Louis Elizondo, right? He was the former head of the Pentagon's
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UAP program and they called it AATIP.
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And A-A-T-I-P, I can't remember what it stood for, but he testified before Congress
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in November of last year.
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And and he this is how he said this is what he said he
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said at first when he first started studying ufos and
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uap and things like that he just looked at it as intergalactic right
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it was another these were advanced technology from
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another world or another universe or another solar system but he
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said the more and more he started studying the you
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know the physical you know the physics of
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these uaps and and things like that he says his he
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said these are not physical objects
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he started pushing that he believes
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that these are you know there's an interdimensional you know aspect to this
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and he started pushing what's called the interdimensional hypothesis and he
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said that they may actually originate from an interdimensional cryptid or hidden
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or extraterrestrial source saying that it's, you know,
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he said the day is not conclusive, but it points away from all the conventional explanation,
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meaning that, oh, this is just from another planet.
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So I thought that was very interesting when it came to, you know,
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their, you know, like, for example, you know, their testimony.
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Another guy was David Grush.
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I remember he was a whistleblower, and he testified actually in 2023 about what
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he said was a multi-decade UAP retrieval program.
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So he was saying that they were actually retrieving these crafts of whatever sort they were.
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But he and he promoted you know he primarily you
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know he talked about them being non-human intelligence but he
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also alluded to the possibility these entities may come from a higher dimensional
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physical space that co-locates with our own so which is crazy right so i just
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think it's interesting because this whole interdimensional theory has really
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become more prominent in the
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last couple of years when it comes to UAPs and UFOs.
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What's interesting is it's catching up to the Bible, right? To the Bible. Yep, exactly.
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The Bible already alluded to that. The Bible already kind of revealed,
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hey, there's something beyond the veil. That veil is there.
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You know, the Bible, doesn't the Bible say in the book of Hebrews that we have
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to be careful because we might entertain angels unaware, meaning that they walk among us.
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Remember in Job chapter 1, when the devil shows up with the sons of God and
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God asks him, he goes, where have you been?
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And what did he say? I've been walking in and out of the earth.
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And that's, yeah, I was going to say that's a very interesting wording, in and out of the earth.
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Right. And a lot of these observations and these sightings, they're usually
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coming in and out of what? Right.
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You know, water, mountains, something inside of the earth. That's interesting.
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Yep. And there's a lot of good books that have been written recently.
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There's one by Matt Crane, you know, he runs Final Fight Bible Radio,
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but he wrote a book called The Doctrine of the Doors.
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And what he suggests in that book is that there's several interdimensional doors
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that they're associated with clouds.
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When you study clouds in the Bible, that that's every
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time you see some kind of heavenly vision or
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a connection when jesus christ left the earth he went
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up into clouds when it talks about the
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return of jesus christ or the return of the son of man he's going to come back
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in clouds of glory and so his theory matt crane's theory in his book is that
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there's interdimensional doors that exist and they're connected to clouds in
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our atmosphere That they connect to,
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you know, like, say, for example, the throne room of heaven, the third heaven.
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Bible talks of three separate heavens, right? The first heaven is our sky that
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we see. That's where our clouds are.
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Then you have the second heaven, which is where your sun, moon,
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and stars are. And then you have the third heaven where the throne of God exists.
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Yeah. The clouds thing, I forget who was telling me, but the connection with
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the clouds and sightings as well.
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So there's something mimicking what we see in the Bible with Jesus coming in
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the cloud or moving. He was a pillar, a cloud, you know.
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And there was a sighting where this UFO-looking thing was sitting in a cloud, you know.
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Just hanging out there. Just hanging there sort of inside, outside a cloud.
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And you'll find a lot of sightings like that. There's a lot of clouds involved around that.
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Like the cloud was shrouding.
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Yeah. Like it was hidden in the cloud.
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Yeah. It was just a very strange tale. And actually, Eric, our brother,
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was telling us about his sighting. You know, what he saw.
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And this thing was sitting in the cloud, weird colors.
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And just the way it was, there was no other clouds in sight,
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too, which made it even a little bit more anomalous, more odd.
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And then this thing just zipped off. Like just, if you blinked,
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you would have saw it would have looked like it disappeared so in a way it's
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just you know the cloud thing it just popped in my mind just just really no
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no it's a good it's a good point to make because again,
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Look, we're not, and we need to be careful, right? Because people are going
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to say, oh, you guys are crazy.
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You know, you come up with these crazy theories. No, what we're saying is these
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are the facts of what people have reported.
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Eyewitnesses, observation, there's a lot of evidence out there,
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video evidence. I mean, the government's acknowledging something.
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You know, you got these programs that have been created to investigate these things.
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So what we're trying to say is, the way that the world is interpreting this alien phenomenon,
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UAP, UFO, whatever you want to call it, is it starts to closely resemble the
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descriptions that are given to us in the Bible.
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I just pulled up that passage in Job And this is what's interesting It says
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this, he goes The Lord, in verse, it's Job 1.8 And the Lord said unto Satan,
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hast thou considered my Satan?
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Oh no, before that, he said dumb And the Lord said unto Satan, whence comest thou?
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Verse 7 Then Satan answered the Lord and said From going to and fro in the earth.
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And from walking up and down in it This is what I think is interesting So,
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you know, for years You know, everybody could know of or as familiar with the
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Bermuda Triangle, right?
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And, you know, we talk about all the craft and boats and ships and planes and
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everything that have just mysteriously disappeared, you know.
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And I've read the studies.
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I know you've read the accounts and the testimonies, and some of them are just
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completely unexplainable.
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I mean, you know, their electronic instruments go crazy.
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There's, you know, what is it, the magnetic compass starts going out of whack. Time lost.
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Just weird stories like that. Yeah. And so, but here's what's interesting is
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that Bible says that he walked in and out of the earth.
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Where did he access it from?
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You know, what does that mean? Are there portals in the Earth and are there portals in the clouds?
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Yeah, the Bermuda Triangle obviously is the most popular one,
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right? There's also the Devil's Triangle in the Pacific.
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Same sort of thing. And I think there's probably other places,
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like Alaska is another area.
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Where these strange phenomena, anomalous activity and behavior,
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compasses and things like that just go haywire.
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So just food for thought there when it comes to where these open things are. So what we do know...
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Yeah, so what we do know is that, you know, when it comes to,
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and this again, this is congressional hearings, and these are people that claim to be experts, right?
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And these are not guys that are trying to preach some weird extraterrestrial
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religion. They were there sent to literally do professional studies and investigation
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into unexplained aerial phenomenon.
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That's it. That's all they were doing. but again the more
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and more they start looking at these like those tic tac videos they
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start looking at the evidence they start listening to the descriptions of
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the movements of these things and they said there's no way
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these things can be physically you know
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physical objects that can move like that beyond
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physics so and that's why they started suggesting
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that maybe they're moving in and out of dimensions or maybe
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you know these are you know they didn't they didn't use the
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word they didn't use the phrase spiritual right but the
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bible the bible can say interdimensional the spirit
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right and it talks about the veil talks about the spirit world
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and that exists because we know that
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the angels exist we know that devils exist spirits exist
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i mean how do you like for example remember the the
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man that came to jesus and he had legion the bible says legion
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that's a that's you're talking about over a thousand evil spirits
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at possessing that man one how can
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you take a thousand objects and stick it into a
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single object unless it's interdimensional do you
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mean or follow the same laws of physics right so
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what we're saying is look look we can't explain it we're not telling you these
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are aliens we're not telling you this is what they're doing we're just telling
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you that the bible gives us indicators and those indicators point to a spiritual
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type of realm or whatever you want to call it because at the end of the day.
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Whether people like it or not, whether people agree with us or not, that there's.
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Thousands of sightings.
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Now, we're not saying every sighting is valid.
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But you can't take, I think, the rise or the rate of increase over reported
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sightings from over the last 75 years.
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So you talk about, like, the 1950s.
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Yeah, well, it really started around 1947, right?
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As well as when it became, yeah, more. But the thing is, like,
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this thing's been happening.
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These kind of things have been happening for years and years and years.
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A long time, people were just afraid to report it because why is that?
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People will think they're crazy.
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Right. And a question of sanity. And here's the thing.
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There's a scientific analysis done of, you know, public sighting data.
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U.S. This is U.S. We're not talking about worldwide.
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But they said from 1940 to 2020, UFO sightings have increased exponentially,
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doubling in number on average every 6.3 years.
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Because that rate far outpaces the linear growth of the U.S.
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Population, which is crazy. Which means more people are coming forward.
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More people are open about it, about what they're seeing. I mean, it's that common.
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I believe that there's a reason for that.
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Because obviously, when you think about the fact that you have mobile phones,
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you have drones, you have cameras, more people are carrying devices,
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more people are looking for these things now.
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There's a good chance that a lot of this stuff has
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been going on for years right oh yeah
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i mean so that's why i think is
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like and so that's why it's interesting you know so we're not saying that this
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is just off the top of our head crazy stuff we're saying look people are actually
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seeing something and the way they're describing it is amazingly consistent with
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the way the bible describes the inter-dimensional or spiritual world you know
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my view is this is if you don't believe that there's something else out there. I think you're crazy.
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I mean, you'd have to be with the observations, the evidence,
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and everything that we're seeing today.
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You'd have to be crazy to not believe that there is something,
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you know, interdimensional or whatever that's going on out there.
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So, yeah, I mean, it's just, it's also at the same time kind of disconcerting,
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you know, how much we're seeing today versus just five years ago versus,
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or 10 years ago or more, and how accepting folks are about it.
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Well, you know, the thing is, we understand that there's a spiritual world.
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We understand that there's a lot of external data.
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Correlates to what the word god says but you
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know i think at the end of the day the question is is what's
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the purpose of all this like why is this happening right
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right and jesus christ said when you
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know his disciples were asking him what the last days are going to be like he
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says he described them using two biblical references number one he says you
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know the you know the time of the end is going to be the days are going to be
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like the days of noah that was one of them and then he said the second one is
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that they're going to be like the days of lot,
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you know it's amazing about those two biblical references
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as angels were involved in both of them so one
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was noah was told to build an ark because the sons of god which are defined
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in the bible as angels they cohabitated physically with human women and they
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produced giants okay giant that's a whole nother topic but the point is is there
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was some kind of connection between.
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Angels these spiritual beings that obviously became
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physical and had a physical relationship with a woman and produced children
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that ended up becoming giants in the earth and you can't read your bible without
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seeing giants over and over and over again but the point is is there was a spiritual
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connection with angels and human beings and then the same thing with lot you know you had,
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angels that had to basically extract Lot out of this earth.
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So, you know, without going into all the theological implications of those two
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events, the point is, as Jesus said, the last days are going to be like those two days.
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So, there was obviously an overabundance of wickedness, carnality,
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you know, all kinds of stuff, but there was also angelic activity.
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That's something that needs to be highlighted, and you need to take into consideration,
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right? You can't just ignore it.
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So Jesus said that's what the last days are going to be like.
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Okay, well, we know the Bible tells us in 2 Thessalonians 2,
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verses 9 and 11, that when Satan shows up in the Antichrist and he's called
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the man of sin, son of perdition,
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that wicked says that he's going to be working with lying wonders and signs,
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and there's going to be a strong delusion that they should believe a lie.
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So what's interesting is that when the Antichrist comes into this world,
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he's going to be using signs and wonders.
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So, you know, what better way to illustrate spiritual power or,
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you know, something that's beyond the normal human understanding and reasoning
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than when you start to see aliens or you start to see spiritual activity or
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you start to see miracles happen, right?
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Because he's going to come and act like Jesus Christ.
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So it's interesting when you start to think about the implications of that, right?
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That when the devil comes, there's going to be a rise in spiritual activity.
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But go ahead. I was going to let you say something. I was going to look for
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a verse real quick. Oh, okay.
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Go ahead. Yeah, I was just thinking about, you know, we were talking about how,
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you know, we entertain angels unawares, right?
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That means that there could be among us, whatever they may be,
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and they're a spiritual nature, but they have an effect on the physical world
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or our reality, right? Right.
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We're seeing, yeah, we're seeing some similarities to what the Bible shows us
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about Jesus and coming in on a cloud, coming back on a cloud or leaving on a cloud.
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Then we see these things that are in the cloud, too.
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So there's just these weird similarities when it comes to behavior.
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But could it be counterfeit as well? We could be we're getting prepared for something to come.
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Could be the Antichrist. I mean, what if the Antichrist flies in on a UFO, you know?
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Well, you know, when you get to the Antichrist and tribulation,
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you know, the tribulation is for the Jew, and the Jews require a sign.
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And one of the ways that Jesus Christ validated his ministry is through signs
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and wonders. That's what he did.
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He healed the sick, right? He did all these things that were amazing in their
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eyes, feeding the 5,000, right?
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Raising people for the dead, you know, making a lane to walk, so forth and so on.
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But in order for the devil to validate himself before the Jews as their Messiah,
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which is exactly what he's going to do, he's got to perform signs and wonders.
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So, you know, the Bible talks about, you know, when you read Revelation—.
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You read about things that are just like completely, totally just mind blowing.
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You know, you talk about, you know, balls of fire come from down to earth.
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You're talking about, you know, these, you know, wicked type creatures coming
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out of the earth, out of the Euphrates.
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Uh, you're talking about angels that show up and just crazy stuff.
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And you think about, there's so much spiritual activity. I think that's when
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the, the, the veil is kind of rent into per se.
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And, and you have the physical world and you, you know.
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Oh, nice. Sorry. Recording now. Thought I'd record some clips. Go ahead.
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But, you know, you think about the fact that when this happens,
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that spiritual veil is going to be 22.
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And the spiritual world and the physical world are going to become one during
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the tribulation. Right? That's scary.
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What's interesting, you know, we were talking about the last days are going
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to be like the days of Noah.
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But here's, in Daniel chapter 2, you know, there's that image of Nebuchadnezzar he had a dream about.
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And it was a large statue, right? The top was a head of gold and silver,
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then brass, then iron, then, of course, feet of clay.
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And so that's a picture or a map of all the Gentile nations that are going to
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be in existence, empires that will exist leading up to the second coming of Jesus Christ.
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The very last kingdom is described as the toes.
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So you have kind of two feet.
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So it's almost like I heard one brother say, one is a political economic foot
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and the other one is a religious foot.
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Because that's what the Antichrist's world, one world religion is going to be.
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He's going to be an economic ruler and he's going to be a religious ruler.
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And he's going to bring the two together.
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But it's interesting. Here's the statement it says. It says,
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and this is the interpretation that Daniel gives in verse 42.
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He says, and as the toes of the feet were part of iron. So it was one molecular
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substance, which is iron, and the other one was part of clay.
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So the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly broken.
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Verse 43, whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they,
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they, that's what it's used in the pronoun, they, shall mingle themselves with the seed of men.
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Now, so they can't be men if they're mingling their, in particular,
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seed with the seed of men.
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They mingle themselves with the seed of men.
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I mean, if you don't know what transhumanism is, that right there is probably
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the best verse to show you that when the Antichrist sets up his kingdom,
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it's going to be a transhumanist type of setup.
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And there's going to be some kind of beings, they, mingling themselves with
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the seed of men, just like they did in Genesis chapter 6.
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So, and clay throughout the Bible, you know, Adam was made out of clay,
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out of the dust of the ground, so forth and so on. So the clay represents mankind.
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Okay, what's the they? What's the pronoun they?
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So it's obviously something. But the Bible says, verse 44, and in the days of
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these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom. him.
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So in the days of these kings, so there's multiple kings, we find out there's
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10 toes, those 10 toes represents kings.
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There's a good possibility that whatever these 10 rulers are,
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that are kind of like proxy rulers under the Antichrist, that they're not going to be 100% human.
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They could be a hybrids. Yeah, that's really interesting. If you studied some
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of the abduction cases, there's thousands, thousands out there.
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And that's kind of a bit of a different topic and i'm
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trying not to get explicit but you know they they test
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these people they extract you know things like eggs and and
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things like that right it makes you and you see this
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theme this common theme across the board among abductees
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that these people are taking to extract eggs and things like that why hybrids
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right there's your transhumanism there so i just find that kind of hybridization
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yeah yeah something happening with and it says explicitly the bible says the
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seed of men it doesn't mince words.
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You know, there's only really one way to interpret that, I think.
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Yeah, yeah, pretty clear.
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So one of the things that I did want to bring up, kind of a side topic,
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but, you know, we talk about, you know, hey, there's this idea that,
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you know, that there's going to be this alien, you know, leader that's going
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to show up and he's going to take over the world. Here's the thing.
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We believe that there's going to be a raptor in the church before the tribulation starts.
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What better way to explain away the rapture than to say that it was a large
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abduction event, right?
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That aliens in the sky took us or the original creators of mankind.
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And I've often said, because the Bible says in 2 Thessalonians 2,
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that when the man of sin shows up, he's going to exalt himself above all that is called God.
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So not just God himself, he's going to exalt himself above anything that's called God.
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So people that are Buddhists, people that are Muslims, people that are Christians,
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people of other religions, Hindu, Brahmanism, they have a God that they worship.
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Some kind of god they think is their god even
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like i remember i i witnessed to a an american indian
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one time and i asked him what their legends say about
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the end of the earth and you know what they told me this guy told me
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he said well we've always been taught that the great spirit of the sky is going
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to return on a white horse and come back and set up a perfect kingdom here on
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earth that's an american indian i don't know if he was a waltzy or cherokee
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but it's amazing so i'm thinking man And that's either Revelation 19,
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Jesus Christ, or it's Revelation 6, that's the Antichrist, who rides in on a white horse as well.
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Yeah. So, whenever he returns, he's going to exalt himself above all that is called God.
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Which means that there is a ruler on earth somewhere.
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And I believe it was, I don't have the quote in front of me,
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but I think it was Ronald Reagan that said, look at
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some point you know what you're going to need you're going
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to need some kind of common enemy that's going
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to unite all the worlds like all the
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the fighting the the world wars the
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the economic you know turmoil all this stuff and he says the only thing that'll
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bring all the nations together this is ronald reagan said this i believe before
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you went he said the only way that's going to come bring all nations together
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is if there is a an alien invasion or some force that attacks this world,
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and the nations of the world are going to have to unite.
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And there was also another statement by the NATO Secretary General,
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I think it was in the 1950s, but he says the world is waiting for one man to step up.
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And this is what he said, whether he be God or the devil, we will accept him.
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Yeah, and, oh yes, go ahead. I was going to say, I looked up Reagan's exact
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words, but he said perhaps we need some outside universal threat to make us
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recognize this common bond.
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That's right. Bring us all together. And that's it. And what's interesting,
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and we probably don't have a lot of time, I don't have the quotes.
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I thought I had the quotes. Oh, yeah, I do have some of them here.
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But what most people don't know, most Christians don't know,
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but the Vatican operates one of the second largest observatories in America
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on an Arizona mountain called Mount Graham.
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Wow, I guess on what it's called. Sorry, I keep on interrupting you.
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Oh, no, go ahead. What were you saying? No, I was going to say wild guess on
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what it's called, but I'll let you get there.
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You're just explaining what it was. So, well, the mountain itself first is important
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to understand that it happens to be the most, the holiest mountain in all of Indian culture,
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especially the Apaches and groups like that.
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But apparently that's where their gods reside, all this other stuff.
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Well, the Vatican ended up, you know, it was a huge legal battle.
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Because they wanted it for their observatory. So they fought this legal battle
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for years, for decades, and they eventually won it, and they put this observatory up there.
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The Vatican, it's a large binocular telescope that they've set up,
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which most people don't know,
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but the Vatican next to NASA is probably the most advanced technological entity
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in the world that is engaged in looking at outer space with telescopes and things like that.
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The Vatican has its own observatory. They're in Italy and they're in Mount Graham. So.
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What's interesting, and of course, what you're alluding to is they actually
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named the large binocular telescope, they call it LUCIFER.
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And anybody can look this up.
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But LUCIFER stands for Large Binocular Telescope Near Infrared Utility with
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Camera and Integral Field Unit for Extragalactic Research.
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That's in Mount Graham, Tucson. It's owned and operated by the Vatican.
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It's called LUCIFER. Okay?
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No joke. I mean, they named it on purpose so that you could use that acronym.
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Now, here's the question. Here's the thing, though. What's the point of that?
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Why does that have anything to do with what we're talking about?
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Because this is statements from what they were talking about,
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you know, as far as, like, what they were looking for.
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There was a Vatican, and he was a leading astronomer, and he was a Jesuit priest.
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His name was Guy Consolmagno, and I think he's still alive. I think he might
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still be the spokesman for the Vatican, but he worked at NASA.
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He taught at Harvard, MIT, and he currently—this is written a few years back.
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About eight years ago, 10 years ago, currently splits his time between the Vatican
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Observatory and Laboratory, which is called Spicola Vaticana,
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headquartered at the summer residence of the Pope in Italy and Mount Graham
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in Arizona. So he splits his time between them.
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Well, over the last few years, Consul Magno has focused so much time and effort
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in an attempt to reconcile science and religion in public forms.
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He specifically, as it relates to the subject of extraterrestrial life and the
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potential impact on the future of faith.
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So what they're trying to do is they're trying to reconcile intergalactic UFO
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alien life with the Christian faith. That's what it comes down to, okay?
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There was a private PDF file, a booklet that was entitled, and it was written
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by this Consul Magno, but it's called Intelligent Life in the Universe,
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Catholic Belief and the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligent Life.
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And this is what they admitted. the reason why they have this telescope is because
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they're waiting for jesus christ to return to earth this is their own admission,
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And this is what they said. In that PDF, he admits how contemporary societies
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will look to the aliens to be the saviors of mankind.
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This is a Roman Catholic priest saying this.
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Consul Magno argues that humans are not the only intelligent beings created in the universe.
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And these non-human life forms are described in the Bible.
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He says he starts by pointing to angels, and then he specifically references the Nephilim by name.
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The Nephilim are going to be the giants.
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But he says this, other heavenly beings come up several times in the Psalms.
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For example, look at the beautiful passage in Psalm 89.
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That calls out, let the heavens praise your wonders, O Lord,
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your faithfulness in the assembly of the holy ones.
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For who in the skies can be compared to the Lord?
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And so forth and so on. And he's talking about aliens. But this is what's,
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that's not the crazy thing.
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This is what he says about Jesus Christ and alien life.
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He says in John, he quotes John 10, 16, where Jesus says, other sheep I have,
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which are not of this fold, them also I must bring and they shall hear my voice
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and there shall be one fold and one shepherd.
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This is what Consul Magno writes. He says, perhaps it's not so far-fetched to
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see the second person of the Trinity of the Lord,
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who is present in the beginning, John 1, 1, coming to lay down his life and
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take it up again, John 10, 18,
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not only as the son of man, but watch this, but also a child of other races.
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That's what they said. So what
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they basically teach is that other sheep or that other fold are aliens.
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This is the Roman Catholic Church.
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Now, we don't have time to go into how they basically built religious churches
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over every major holy site in the world right the archaeological,
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religious site that's right and they and this is what people need to understand
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you think about one of the greatest facts.
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Finding organizations that exist today as a CIA, Central Intelligence Agency,
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and the NSA, right? How much data they've collected.
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Data is power. Well, let me ask you a question.
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You know, what if you take into consideration the Roman Catholic Church has
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been around for over, you know,
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1,500 plus years, and they've been taking over,
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you know, the archaeological sites of, you know, historical religious sites
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for years, meaning they've controlled all the artifacts,
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the scrolls, the data and they have this
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information yeah you talk about that's under
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the vast libraries that are controlled
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and under the vatican you know they talk a lot about that stuff the vatican
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they've even had reporters that have been able to do small tours to the vatican
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underneath it these vaults in the vatican but they have access to thousand a
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thousand years of religious data and information, you know,
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about every religion that exists, every religious belief,
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whether it's the heavens, whatever you want to call it. But here's the crazy thing.
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What do you do with an entity or an organization like the Roman Catholic Church
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that has had access to that religious information and now they're spending all
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this money to look for extraterrestrial life?
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Why are they so interested in it? And they do believe they're watching a particular
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star, I can't remember the name of it, but the book that I'm quoting from actually,
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it's called ExoVaticana and it's written by Chris Putnam and Thomas Horne.
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And I would recommend if you're interested in that kind of stuff,
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read the book because it is chock full of data and resources.
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We're not just talking about, again, these aren't tinfoil hat guys.
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These are guys that did the investigation. These are investigative reporters by career.
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And these guys have gathered this data. They have pictures. There's even a documentary
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on them visiting Mount Graham, and they have priests freely admitting,
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yes, we are waiting for Jesus Christ.
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So what if that Jesus Christ is not the Jesus Christ of the Bible?
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So a lot of this stuff, when you look at it in the big picture,
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there is a spiritual look.
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And I'm not going to tell you I believe all this stuff 100%.
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I'm just telling you that there's too much of it to be a coincidence.
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And it lines up with what the Bible talks about, about the end times,
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the one world religion, this man that's going to step on the scene.
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And he's literally going to be worshipped as God, whether people understand that or not.
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How is he going to convince the world that
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he's god how is he going to do it right what
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better vehicle no pun intended than a ufo landing
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at the vatican and steps out this man and think about all the grooming that
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hollywood has done to prepare people that here's here's another angle and this
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is just kind of a side thought but you know people you know what's becoming
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really popular in movies nowadays are superheroes.
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They're hybrids, yeah. Right? DC
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Universe, comics, all this stuff about superheroes or X-Men. What's X-Men?
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It's a mutant, an X-Mutant that changes. It makes hybrid humans.
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Think about that for a second.
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But these, you know what, there's
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a book, I don't have it, it's in my wish list, I haven't got it yet.
50:10
But it talks about, I think the title of it is like, The Gods Wear Spandex.
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And it's talking about superheroes and so forth and so on, who are essentially
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the old ancient descriptions of gods.
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And that's where you get the superheroes of today, there's elements of truth in that.
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There isn't one of the Marvel heroes named Thor, the God of Thunder.
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These are gods. these are these are the gods of the modern
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age what if a man shows up that fits that
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description plays right into how they've
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been groomed i mean these giants and i know this is going
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to be a separate topic maybe even a series because there's
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a lot to talk about giants they weren't just
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strong they weren't just obviously giants but they
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had special capabilities and you know
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some of that speculation of course which could explain
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some of the the ancient buildings the pyramids and
51:05
things like that like how those things were built might be because
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or might be as a result of what these beings had the capabilities to do right
51:14
that's where your superpowers came came from here's the thing yes some of this
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stuff's gonna sound crazy right but remember what we said at the beginning of
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the episode we said that you know there's this the church has this truncated
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view of the supernatural.
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Some people just view their Bible as, you know, a manual on how to run a bus ministry.
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There is more to the word of God than that. And the Bible gives us insight into the creation.
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The Bible says that at one point, like for example, Philippians 2,
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that every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord
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for the glory of God the Father.
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And it says things in heaven and things in earth and things under the earth
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are going to bow before Jesus Christ.
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You know, people just fly over those verses and just completely spiritualize
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them and go, oh, it's just, that's just spiritual poetry. That's just poetic language.
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I mean, how do you spiritualize like dead things are formed under the sea, you know?
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How do you make that a practical application? But anyways, please go on.
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But no, I mean, the bottom line is this.
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Our Bible obviously has a rich database of spiritual activity that is beyond
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the human physical realm.
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And when you look at these clues the Bible gives us about the last days,
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the Antichrist, you know, the supernatural elements, the hybridization of man,
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you know, you see that in Scripture.
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You cannot just simply ignore it, right? You can't just explain it away because
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you refuse to believe it.
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And we're not saying that this means, oh, we got to start attending UFO conferences
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and things like that. That's not what we're saying.
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We're saying the Christian ought to be armed with this type of knowledge so
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that they can reconcile the craziness out there in the world and know that God
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has already described these things.
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None of this is a surprise to God. Yeah, there is a spiritual realm that is
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actively in battle against the forces of good.
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You see that in Daniel 12 with, you know, the prince of Persia versus the prince
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of Israel, which is Michael the archangel, right? You can't ignore that.
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God has, you know, there with Elisha in Kings, you're telling me that he has chariots of fire?
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Why would you have chariots, vehicles that were part of a military arsenal,
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right, as described as angels?
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Why? Why do you have Jesus Christ coming in Revelation chapter 19 with a sword,
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a flaming sword coming out of his mouth with armies in heaven, right?
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Anyway, so the point is that there is a large supernatural element that looms
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over our heads when it comes to prophecy, the second coming of Christ,
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the Antichrist, and so forth.
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Now, is our salvation dependent on these things? No, no.
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This isn't something that, you know, you're considered saved or lost or a Christian
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or not a Christian if you don't believe in these things. That's not it.
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What it is is just that we either accept the Bible for what it says literally
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or we try to explain it away spiritually.
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And you know what? If I take my Bible literally, the things that the people
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on this earth are starting to see, these UFO sightings, aliens,
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whatever they want to call them, you know, starts to make sense.
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And I'll say this, and I'll leave it to you, you know, what we'll talk about
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next, or we want to close this out, but I was going to say this.
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What I believe aliens are, I believe aliens, as far as in the context of what
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people see, the activities of aliens, I believe that those are unclean spirits
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or fallen angels of some sort.
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I don't believe, I believe these are malevolent spirits. They are not good spirits.
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The spirits that showed up in favor of God always, always gave Jesus Christ the preeminence.
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They always gave God the glory.
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That was the purpose for which they were created.
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And a lot of these elements where people are abducted by aliens,
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some of them have given testimonies where the aliens explicitly told them there
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is no such thing as Jesus Christ, the Bible is false, there is no such thing
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as God, and so forth and so on.
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Why would why would an alien be concerned about that right
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i mean it doesn't make any sense yeah but creation.com
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came out with a great documentary called alien
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intrusion and and they do it completely from
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a scientific point of view and i would recommend if people want to you know
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just it's an easy simple video but what they do is they take all these you know
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abduction testimonies These eyewitness testimonies And they do the same thing
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Where they draw the conclusion That these are evil,
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malevolent spirits That have nothing to do with God And that's what I believe the aliens are.
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Yeah, agreed. I mean, all of these abduction stories, just kind of going back to it.
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Number one, you're being abducted against your will, you know,
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doing things to you that are violating.
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I believe it's just completely demonic and evil.
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There's nothing good about it. And you've got some people out there like,
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well, you know, they tell me that they're here to save the earth and we need
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to be better to the environment and I'm okay with it.
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You know, they're okay with something abducting them. I mean, anyways.
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But yeah, I agree.
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I believe it's evil, it's demonic. And there's a couple good books.
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I was trying to remember the names of them, but maybe we can mention them later
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or put them in a description somewhere.
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There's one from Jeffrey Martis called Alien Angels in Outer Space.
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That's a very interesting read.
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From a Bible-believing point of view. Yep, to the lens of scripture. Sure.
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There's another book. It's kind of crazy, but it's called Alien Antichrist by Jeffrey Wingo.
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And, you know, he makes a lot of those connections to another Bible believer,
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you know, and again, we're not telling people, I understand that this is going
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to be a shock, this particular episode, because it's so far out of what we've
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talked about, right, with apologetics and things like that.
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But at the end of the day, the point is, is this is something that as a believer,
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you're probably going to run into.
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You're going to run across somebody that's going to have questions.
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What if your kids ask you, you know, well, what do you think of Hex-Man?
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What do you think of Marvel superheroes?
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What do you think of this? And you can try to start to paint a picture that,
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look, there's a worldview that's being preached through those movies and those episodes.
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They're trying to show you, and basically all of them are trying to deny the
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God of the Bible. And so that stuff isn't an accident.
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And God has given us insight into these things in the scriptures.
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So that's why we go back to what we originally said at the beginning of the
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episode is the Bible has to be our final authority when it comes to how we judge these things.
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And that's our recommendation to our audiences.
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You know, don't just blindly accept what people say. Look, if somebody tells
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you they saw a UFO, it's okay to be skeptical, okay? Right.
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But you can't just simply ignore it if it repeatedly comes across, you know, your path.
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You have to deal with it at some level.
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And I would just say as a Christian, be prepared to be able to understand what
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the Bible says about the spiritual realm and be able to cross correlate it with
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whatever the experience is somebody's telling you and say whether or not that
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that's something good or something bad. You know what I mean?
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Yeah, absolutely. And I know what you're saying is people will think,
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they'll listen to this episode, it's like, oh, this is really far out there, crazy and weird.
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But I want to remind people that if you're a Christian and you believe that
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book, that book is a weird, mysterious, spiritual, paranormal book.
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I mean, that's what's giving us the answers. That is our lens to be able to
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have an understanding of the things that we're seeing today.
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And it really isn't that far out there. I mean, I mentioned in the previous
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episodes, like, look, every episode, you know, we talk about,
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you know, things that are mysterious, because they technically are,
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you know, we were talking things of the spiritual nature. And,
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are still commanded to give an answer to every man.
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And when people have questions about like, well, what about these aliens and
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the things that we're seeing? And, you know, how do you explain that with the Bible?
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You know, how do you explain that? Does Jesus save them too if they're from outer space?
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If you had this knowledge and what the Bible says about it, well,
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guess what? You can provide an answer.
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And that person can see the truth and get saved rather than just dismissing it.
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Because the one thing that we have to understand as biblical creationists,
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for example, God created a unique world, the earth, and he created one unique creation of man.
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The Bible didn't say he created aliens or other worlds.
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He created a singular world, the earth, and that was the focus and the center of the universe.
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And man was the predominant creature that he created to rule the earth, period.
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So once somebody starts introducing the alien concept, that opens up the door to false doctrine.
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Like you said, people will be like, oh, well, you know, how is an alien going to be saved?
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And, you know, what are we going to do? And so the Roman Catholic Church is
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trying to fabricate a theology saying, well, you know, this other sheep, quote unquote,
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which the Bible is talking, the other sheep he's talking about is the Gentile
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nation that'll be saved by the faith of, you know, through the faith that's
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typified by Abraham, Romans 4.
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That's the gentiles outside of the
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nation of israel that was the other sheep and so
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but they interpret it as alien life
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man you you can get into some serious problems if that's your viewpoint and
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you start to think that man man isn't that special or unique now that earth
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was not special you start to give into you know these interdimensional or multi-dimensional
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or multi-verse type theories.
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And then you start to think that these other aliens are God's children and you
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start to accept them as such.
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And, you know, there's a good chance you're going to be accepting evil spirits
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and very, very bad angel, angelic beings, you know.
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Yeah, it's pretty fascinating. I guess one last thing before,
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before we wrap it up and a little bit more on a lighter note,
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have you ever seen anything weird floating around in the skies?
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You know what? I'm sure I've probably seen something weird, but I probably wasn't
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paying enough attention to really analyze it.
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You know what I mean? It could have been like, oh, that's a plane in the sky,
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you know, but I know that there's been times that, that I've seen certain things
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in the sky and I couldn't explain it. And then later on, I found an explanation for it.
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But I've definitely had friends that have had some weird, weird encounters that
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are hard to explain for sure. Same.
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Didn't, I thought you told me one time when you were out actually Stroop Reaching
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that you saw something weird.
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It was like three objects in a, you know, of all things in a triangle shape.
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Yeah, it was moving in a triangular motion.
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Well, that's what I was alluding to.
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Okay. And I found out later on that those were, they were actually...
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Can't remember what it was but
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there was something that was part of the festival they actually launched
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oh okay so that's what i did when i saw it it
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looked like a triangular light or three lights and
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they were kind of moving moving in a circular fashion and i just sat there and
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stared at it thinking nobody's seeing this and then but i think it was a it
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was a couple weeks later i saw a youtube video somebody doing it and they were
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launching these things in the sky and that's what they were at that festival
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anyway but yeah okay yeah a lot of these things
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Yeah, there's definitely things that, you know, but I, but, but I'm not,
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I don't want to discount what other people have seen, right?
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There's some, some very strange things people have seen that it's just, you can't explain it.
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Yeah, I mean, there are, there are a couple of, a couple of things I've seen
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when I was a kid and a little bit later on, but yeah, you just,
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it's just kind of weird, you know, I try to explain it. And you can't,
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like, large events, too.
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Like, it's one thing for personal things, right? But, like, remember the Stephenville,
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Texas incident? Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Phoenix is another one. If anybody here, like, if you really want to just see
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how deep the rabbit hole goes, look into the Stephenville UFO incident.
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I mean, there was thousands of eyewitnesses. and we're talking about an object
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in the sky that some people were describing was over a mile wide. I mean, it's humongous.
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But you had people, you had reporters and stuff that initially had open doors
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to, you know, surrounding Air Force bases and naval bases, you know,
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and then all of a sudden the door shut.
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Like, there was nobody else wanted to talk to them.
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People were losing their jobs. It was like crazy stuff. So if you're really interested in...
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Like the magnitude of how one of these sightings can, and there's several we
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can talk about. Yeah. Brazil, Israel, Washington, D.C., right?
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There's all kinds of events that we can point to, but look at the Stephenville
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UFO incident here in Texas.
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Yeah, I would say that one. That one's close to home because,
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you know, we're in Austin, but that one and another one that's very,
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very fascinating is the Phoenix Lights.
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The Phoenix Lights, yeah. Yeah, very similar. That's some crazy stuff, too. Yeah.
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You had a governor that acknowledged it as well, and actually saw it later on.
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But yeah, just a couple of things to look at too if people are interested.
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But anyways, Robert, I think we're probably a little bit past time.
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This is a topic that we can, you know, we scratched the surface of it.
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Really, there's just a lot more to it and a lot more Bible to back it up too.
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So if anybody has any questions, please feel free to reach out to us.
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Looking for information, looking for reference material, good books,
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You know, we'll be happy to share those with you, uh, if interested.
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So anyways, uh, I don't know if you had anything else to add before we wrap it up, Robert.
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I don't in particular. I think, I think we covered a lot.
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Yeah. We try to squeeze in a lot in this one. So anyways, this was a fun one.
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I thought, I thought that was just sort of a pretty interesting to do this remote.
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This is kind of first time for us.
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And, you did sort of a call in and kind of has like a, this,
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this coast to coast vibe for all you people that listen to that stuff back in
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the day. I certainly did.
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But anyways, yeah, if anybody has any questions, you know where to find us.
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You can email us at theimmutableword at gmail.com.
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You could drop us a message there. You could comment.
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Yeah, give us feedback, you know, if these kind of topics are even something
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that you're interested in learning more about.
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I mean, we've dabbled in some of this stuff. We've studied some of this stuff,
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you know, and again, in light of Scripture, you know. And so you can tell,
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you know, we have a lot of, you know, insight and just years and years of reading
1:06:09
and study and research into this stuff.
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If you have any questions or you think, you know, you want us to kind of dig
1:06:15
deeper into it or maybe go a different path like giants and,
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you know, and things like that. I mean, just let us know.
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Yeah, we'll drum up something. Yeah, we're a game. We can go into any of those areas.
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That's right. It's a bit of an interest. But anyways, okay, we'll go ahead and wrap it up there.
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Thanks for sticking with us, and we look forward to seeing you on our next episode.