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Sharri | 22 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News This is Sharry Good Evening.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show tonight.
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Speaker 3: Labor MP's dismayed at Anthony Albanesi's call over garsen visas
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Speaker 3: after a shocking parliamentary fortnite. Labour figures are alarmed that
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister couldn't even say her mus supporters aren't
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Speaker 3: welcome in this country.
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Speaker 2: More on that exclusive.
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Speaker 3: In a moment, Former Prime Minister Scott Morrison responds to
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Speaker 3: the news that the UK is reviewing the Orchest deal.
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Speaker 3: I spoke with him exclusively today, plus text messages highlight
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Speaker 3: the involvement of the so called mean girls Penny Wong
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Speaker 3: and Katie Gallagher in the Britney Higgins saga. Legal affairs
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Speaker 3: expert Chris Merritt will take us through the latest evidence
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Speaker 3: and a scathing attack on The New York Times from
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Speaker 3: the former editor in chief of The Age, Michael Gowenda.
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Speaker 3: He'll join me live in the pro tonight to discuss
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Speaker 3: the doxing scandal. But first we are witnessing at the
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Speaker 3: DNC the shameless and audacious remaking of Kamala Harris. The
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Speaker 3: kings of showbiz and politics, Oprah and the Clintons are
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Speaker 3: harnessing their power to transform Harris from an incompetent laughing
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Speaker 3: stock to one of America's political greats. This is spin
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Speaker 3: at its finest, a truly masterful transformation of an inept candidate.
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Speaker 3: For here was Oprah and Bill Clinton propping up Kamala Harris.
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Speaker 2: Today, Carmon sense tells you that Kamala Harris and Tim
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Speaker 2: Wallas can give us decency.
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Speaker 4: Let's all choose Karmala Harror.
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Speaker 5: When Kamala Harris as president, every day will begin with you.
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Speaker 6: You.
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Speaker 3: You, you, the candidate utterly transformed from someone not even
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Speaker 3: the left wing media thought was capable of becoming president.
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Speaker 7: I think she was arguably Biden's worst political decision.
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Speaker 8: They don't like her.
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Speaker 2: There's lots of reasons they.
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Speaker 6: Don't like her.
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Speaker 7: Kamala Harris's approval rating is now at twenty eight percent,
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Speaker 7: which is an historic low for any modern vice president.
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Speaker 9: We're hearing it from mainstream media, one outlet after another,
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Speaker 9: one league after another, that Kamala Harris is a worst
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Speaker 9: vice president ever, the worst Polish distractition ever.
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Speaker 3: And that was all when she was VP, when Biden
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Speaker 3: was still intending to be the Democratic nominee.
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Speaker 2: So how has this happened.
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Speaker 3: Will Barack Obama's tacticians have reportedly become involved or even
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Speaker 3: taken over Kamala Harris's presidential campaign. It's extraordinary that gloss, slogans,
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Speaker 3: and the power of celebrity can transformed the perception of
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Speaker 3: an individual to the point that she appears tough where
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Speaker 3: she was weak, and intelligent where she was incompetent. The
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Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal's editorial board says that Harris is no
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Speaker 3: longer the vice president who failed to secure the border.
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Speaker 3: She'll now be tough on illegal migration. She's no longer
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Speaker 3: the veep who said Bidenomics is working while inflation reached
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Speaker 3: a forty year high.
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Speaker 2: She's now the.
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Speaker 3: Candidate who will reduce your family's food bill by going
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Speaker 3: after your grosser for price gouging. Her campaign suggests she's
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Speaker 3: changed her views on all that, although she hasn't said
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Speaker 3: why or even been asked. The Wall Street Journal says
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Speaker 3: Americans are expected to take her expedient leap from the
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Speaker 3: left to the center on faith. Well, if this spin works,
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Speaker 3: and if Kamala Harris is elected president, she'll be the
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Speaker 3: most radical left figure to.
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Speaker 2: Command the Oval office.
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Speaker 3: The prospect is alarming because the media are failing to
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Speaker 3: interrogate her on what she actually stands for, on what
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Speaker 3: her domestic all foreign policies are. And this is concerning
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Speaker 3: at the most volatile period in global.
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Speaker 2: Politics since the Second World War.
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Speaker 3: We're seeing an ambitious China, an emboldened Iran, and an
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Speaker 3: aggressive Russia, all of them forming closer alliances to challenge
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Speaker 3: the West and threaten our peace. And what do we
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Speaker 3: know of how Kamala Harris would lead America and the
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Speaker 3: world through this troubled period, Well close to nothing.
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Speaker 2: And the DNC, for all its.
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Speaker 3: Glitz and showbiz, hasn't enlightened us in the slightest. There's
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Speaker 3: an absence of substance and an abundance of Trump bashing. Now,
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Speaker 3: it should be the simplest thing to say that terror
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Speaker 3: supporters are not welcome in our country, but the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: Just can't say it. He can't say that.
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Speaker 3: Terror supporters aren't welcome in Australia. Liberal im P Julie
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Speaker 3: and Lisa asked Albineasi this question twice today in Parliament.
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Speaker 2: Have a look, Prime Minister.
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Speaker 4: On October seven, Hamas terrorists went into small Israeli farming
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Speaker 4: villages and a music festival, where they filmed themselves gleefully
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Speaker 4: murdering children, raping women and mutilating their victims, including after death.
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Speaker 4: Thirteen hundred innocent people were gunned down and murdered for sport,
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Speaker 4: and two hundred and fifty one hostages were forced at
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Speaker 4: gunpoint into Hamas terror tunnels under Gaza. On return, thousands
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Speaker 4: of people were dancing in the streets in celebration. Prime
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Speaker 4: Minister did supporting Hamas passed the character test for an
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Speaker 4: Australian visa a simple answer.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister just couldn't answer the question.
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Speaker 10: One of the things that some of the Jewish community
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Speaker 10: leaders have said to me in the wake of October
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Speaker 10: seven is that they are precisely the sort of people
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Speaker 10: who want to see peace and reconciliation with the Palestinians
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Speaker 10: as well. There they were very close to where the
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Speaker 10: border was, and to have them subjected to the horrific murder,
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Speaker 10: rape and abuse that occurred, the kidnapping of people is
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Speaker 10: horrific if it occurred to any human being.
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Speaker 3: And the speaker wouldn't even take a point of order,
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Speaker 3: presumably to point out that the Prime Minister wasn't answering
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Speaker 3: the question, so Julian Lisa got up and asked it
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Speaker 3: again very specifically.
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Speaker 4: Prime minister does supporting HAMAS past the character test for
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Speaker 4: an Australian visa.
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Speaker 2: Albin Easy would not answer well.
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Speaker 3: After question time, Julian and Lisa told me, I don't
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Speaker 3: understand why the Prime Minister cannot say what Australians expect
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Speaker 3: a prime minister to say, that anyone who supports terrorist
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Speaker 3: organizations like HAMAS is not welcome here. It is very
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Speaker 3: disappointing that he can't just say in simple words what
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Speaker 3: John Howard or Bob Hawk would easily have said. And
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Speaker 3: I can tell you that even labor politicians are shocked
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Speaker 3: that Albin Easy could not come out and say that
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Speaker 3: anyone who supports terrorism isn't welcome in our country, that
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Speaker 3: it would fail the character test requirement for a visa.
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Speaker 2: Labor MPs are concerned.
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Speaker 3: They dismaye about Albanese's handling of this crucial issue that's
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Speaker 3: fundamental to our very value and democracy. They have failed
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Speaker 3: to understand why Albneazy didn't come out straight after the
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Speaker 3: ASIO Director General Mike Burgess's comments two Sundays ago, ten
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Speaker 3: days ago and clarify that actually no Hamas supporters, terrorst
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Speaker 3: supporters aren't welcome in Australia. The only explanation I can
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Speaker 3: see is that Hamas supporters are welcome in Australia. Like
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Speaker 3: the head of ASIO said himself.
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Speaker 11: If it's just rhetorical report and they don't have an
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Speaker 11: ideology or support for a violent stream as an ideology,
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Speaker 11: then that's not a problem.
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Speaker 3: And the reality is Hamas sympathizers have already come to
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Speaker 3: Australia on visas issued by the Australian government. I show
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Speaker 3: that this had happened back in February. A twenty one
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Speaker 3: year old Palestinian had liked and shared pro Hamask content
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Speaker 3: right after October seven, content that celebrated those terrorist attacks.
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Speaker 2: Well, he's no longer in Gaza.
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Speaker 3: He's now in Melbourne on an Albanesi government visa. Today
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Speaker 3: the Opposition leader Peter Dutton accused Albanesi of dodging thirty
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Speaker 3: questions relating to what he is now calling the Visas
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Speaker 3: for Votes scheme.
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Speaker 12: Over the last two weeks, the Prime Minister has dodged
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Speaker 12: about thirty questions on the government's handling of people coming
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Speaker 12: from terrorist control Gaza since October seven. It's now clear
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Speaker 12: that by cutting corners and concocting the visa for votes scheme.
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Speaker 12: This government has put domestic political considerations ahead of national
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Speaker 12: security and Australians are now lists safe.
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Speaker 3: And not to get into too much detail about what
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Speaker 3: went on in Parliament, but they actually made Peter Dutton
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Speaker 3: remove the phrase of visa for votes. That's not even
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Speaker 3: allowed freedom of speech to call this visa for votes
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Speaker 3: that's not even allowed under the Labor government in parliament,
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Speaker 3: that is freedom of speech. Now Here were some of
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Speaker 3: the questions that the Prime Minister refuse to answer just today.
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Speaker 13: Will individuals currently in the terrorist controlled Garza war Zone
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Speaker 13: who have already been granted a visa by this government
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Speaker 13: be subject to face to face interviews or biometric checks
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Speaker 13: before they arrive in Australia. How many people from the
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Speaker 13: Gaza war zone has Qatar accepted?
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Speaker 14: I referred to the government's issuing of tourists visas to
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Speaker 14: nearly three thousand people from the terrorists controlled Gaza war Zone.
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Speaker 14: Can the Prime Minister provide details on any concerns raised
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Speaker 14: by the New South Wales State Police or the New
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Speaker 14: South Wales Government regarding this matter.
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Speaker 3: Albanezi calls all the questions about the visa process pointless noise,
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Speaker 3: and he lectured Dutton about national security.
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Speaker 15: National security is too important to be used as a
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Speaker 15: political football. Our national security is something that historically in
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Speaker 15: this place, in this place has been above the sort
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Speaker 15: of game playing and targeting that we've seen here.
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Speaker 10: The targeting of any group based upon hate is a
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Speaker 10: bad thing, whether that people of Jewish faith, people of
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Speaker 10: Islamic faith. And what they don't want also is conflict
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Speaker 10: brought here. They want Astrala to play a constructive role.
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Speaker 3: Now that is an extraordinary remark that he doesn't want
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Speaker 3: the conflict brought here when the Prime Minister is literally
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Speaker 3: handing out visas to thousands of people from a terrorist
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Speaker 3: hotspot without proper or in some cases any security checks.
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Speaker 3: There are also live questions about whether Tony Burke gave
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Speaker 3: any ministerial or personal recommendations to overturn visa cancelations. His
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Speaker 3: offers simply won't answer the question. What's needed now is
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Speaker 3: a thorough review of all the visas issued to ensure
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Speaker 3: that recipients are genuine refugees and don't pose a.
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Speaker 2: Security risk to our country.
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Speaker 3: It's not good enough just to hope and pray a
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Speaker 3: terror attack doesn't take place. Now, let me tell you,
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Speaker 3: I've spoken to a lot of current and former political
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Speaker 3: and law enforcement figures about what's unfolding here, what the
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Speaker 3: government has done with this Ghazan visa situation, and all
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Speaker 3: of them that I've spoken to are universally horrified.
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Speaker 2: Albanezi is out of his depth.
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Speaker 3: He is risking national security and he's putting community safety
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Speaker 3: on the line. But this is what happens when you
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Speaker 3: put a radical pro Palestinian activist in charge of running
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Speaker 3: the country. All right, let's bring in tonight's pat on
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Speaker 3: our Perth, Mayre Basil Zemplus and National Senator Matt Canavan.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 8: Matt.
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Speaker 2: I'm just going to get your.
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Speaker 3: Reaction to what I've just been speaking about this gas
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Speaker 3: and visa process. It's been such a shambolic, chaotic and
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Speaker 3: rushed process. Law enforcement are horrified, labor and ps are
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Speaker 3: dismayed that the Prime Minister can't even publicly say her
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Speaker 3: must supporters shouldn't come to this country. What's your reaction, Matt,
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Speaker 3: to the past couple of weeks we've.
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Speaker 1: Seen Look, it just beggars belief, Shari.
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Speaker 16: I mean, ever since we saw the ASO director admit
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Speaker 16: that well, if you just have some well I think
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Speaker 16: he turned rhetorical support for a terrorist organization, you can
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Speaker 16: still come to this country.
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Speaker 1: I mean, people here are gobsmack.
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Speaker 16: That this is this is actually the policy of an
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Speaker 16: elected Australian government here, as you say in Labor and Peace,
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Speaker 16: a gobsmack.
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Speaker 1: It defies all explanation.
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Speaker 16: The only explanation is that the Labor Party have become
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Speaker 16: so panicked at the electoral armourgeddon that some seem to
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Speaker 16: think might might be imposed on them an election in
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Speaker 16: Western Sydney because of a voting base sympathetic to the
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Speaker 16: Palestini Palestine issue, that they're willing to trade our nation's security,
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Speaker 16: our national security, to protect their own seats. It's the
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Speaker 16: only explanation. So Peter Dutt's absolutely right to call it
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Speaker 16: the visa for vote scheme. I can't believe that has
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Speaker 16: been ruled out of Parliament. I mean, when you think
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Speaker 16: of the other terms and abuse that is thrown across
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Speaker 16: the chamber, it shows how defense of the Labor Party is.
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Speaker 16: That we're probably getting close to the truth there. The
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Speaker 16: truth hurts, and maybe it is the truth that they
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Speaker 16: are handing out these visas and the hope that they'll
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Speaker 16: get votes in exchange. But we also, of course we
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Speaker 16: allso getting exchange a much less secure environment for Australians here.
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Speaker 16: It is completely beyond the pahail and it's something that
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Speaker 16: austrained people should reject.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is really concerning. I'll come back to this
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Speaker 3: a bit later in the show with Peter.
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Speaker 2: Jennings about ZIL.
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Speaker 3: I want to ask you about the Democratic National Convention
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Speaker 3: Day two star started event. Bill Clinton, Oprah Winfrey, what
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Speaker 3: do you think about this transformation, the remaking of Kamala
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Speaker 3: Harris from someone that the left media and the US
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Speaker 3: the Democratic Party more broadly didn't even consider a particularly
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Speaker 3: competent vice president.
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Speaker 7: Sherry, I can see that you're quite triggered by the
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Speaker 7: events that are happening across at the DNC. And yes,
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Speaker 7: it has been a makeover, it's been a transformation. We
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Speaker 7: shouldn't forget that the United States is the home of
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Speaker 7: Hollywood and this is probably what they do best, and
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Speaker 7: they're throwing everything at it. I suppose those who aren't
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Speaker 7: sure about Kamala, and I know there's a lot of
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Speaker 7: those people who do think that suddenly what she used
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Speaker 7: to stand for she doesn't anymore how she was represented.
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Speaker 7: She's not represented as they can console themselves with. It's
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Speaker 7: very difficult to be inauthentic for too long before you
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Speaker 7: get found out.
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Speaker 8: And so it's a very dangerous game.
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Speaker 7: Now if she's not any of these things that they
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Speaker 7: are presenting her as, she will get found out. But
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Speaker 7: will that happen before the election. That's the interesting question.
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Speaker 7: What we do know is based on the reaction, the
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Speaker 7: feedback the show is the fact that everyone's getting wrapped
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Speaker 7: up in it. They definitely made the right call changing
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Speaker 7: their candidate for the next election.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no question. Politically they made the right call. But look,
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Speaker 3: what I care about mostly is foreign policy. And we
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Speaker 3: are seeing, like I said at the start of the show,
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Speaker 3: the most volatile environment globally since World War Two. And
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Speaker 3: we need to know what Kamala Harris is going to do.
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Speaker 3: We need to know will she support Israel? Is she
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Speaker 3: going to come to Taiwan's defend? Where does she stand
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Speaker 3: on Ukraine? She hasn't been interrogated. Foreign policy has been
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Speaker 3: absent entirely from the DMC convention week.
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Speaker 7: That is, of course what the debates are for, right,
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Speaker 7: That's what those debates are for. That's what those opportunities
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Speaker 7: this is presented her way. Then when she has to
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Speaker 7: face the questions, and the media should be insisting that
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Speaker 7: she has to answer the questions, then it's harder to
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Speaker 7: hide your true self.
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Speaker 3: So let's see then, we'll see if she does do
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Speaker 3: any tough interviews over the next few months.
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Speaker 2: She hasn't yet.
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Speaker 3: All right, Let's have a look at Environment Environment Minister
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Speaker 3: Tanya Plibasek. She's now said that she's not going to
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Speaker 3: release the advice that led to her blocking the one
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Speaker 3: billion dollar gold mine. This was the mind that was
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Speaker 3: all set to go ahead. The Men's government in New
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Speaker 3: South Wales was supporting it, State and federal departments had
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Speaker 3: signed off in it.
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Speaker 2: Matt Canavan, she needs to release this vice, surely.
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Speaker 16: Well, I think the people of the Orange Bathurst area, Blaney,
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Speaker 16: the smaller the town, small town closed to the mind,
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Speaker 16: they deserve to see it's their government. It's their government's
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Speaker 16: made this decision that's imposed an enormous cost in this
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Speaker 16: town and community. We've seen in the media today that
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Speaker 16: you know, there's been people out there who bought businesses
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Speaker 16: in Blaney, a butcher's shop on the expectations we go ahead,
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Speaker 16: as you said, it had its approvals, and fact their
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Speaker 16: livelihood's destroyed. Now, of course there are also eight hundred
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Speaker 16: jobs that were going to be created, might be there.
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Speaker 16: Those people deserve a government to be upfront and transparent
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Speaker 16: with them. I mean, what is about what is about
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Speaker 16: this advice? Is it some secret business when I allowed
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Speaker 16: to see, why can't it just be simply explained to
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Speaker 16: the Australian people. And I go back again to the
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Speaker 16: same point I made earlier that the fact that government's
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Speaker 16: not being transparent about this, the fact they're not answering questions,
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Speaker 16: has to lead you to the position that in fact
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Speaker 16: this decision is indefensible and it's probably being made in
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Speaker 16: consideration of the government's other issue they've got with the
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Speaker 16: Greens and Greens preferences, and so they're making it on
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Speaker 16: that basis, not on the national interest, not on the
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Speaker 16: interest of those people in these country towns are struggling
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Speaker 16: and want something to happen. And keep in mind also
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Speaker 16: our economy overall is stuttering now with the I all
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Speaker 16: price crashing. We need these types of projects and people
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Speaker 16: need a government that focuses on our economy and our
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Speaker 16: prosperity and we're not getting that right now. The government
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Speaker 16: really has no economic or productivity agenda right now except
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Speaker 16: seemingly imposing more and more red tape on businesses that
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Speaker 16: want to create jobs in this country.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the uncertainty, it's the unreliability around business investment
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Speaker 3: that is such a.
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Speaker 2: Big issue here, Basil.
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Speaker 3: The minor Regious Resources has had to write down the
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Speaker 3: value of the gold mine by one hundred and ninety
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Speaker 3: two million dollars and the mining company is now reportedly
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Speaker 3: considering legal action, but it looks like they're not going
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Speaker 3: to be able to go ahead at all.
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Speaker 7: As we well know over here in the West, when
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Speaker 7: mining does well, Western Australia does well, Australia.
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Speaker 8: Certainly does well.
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Speaker 7: This is a decision that's bad for the economy, it's
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Speaker 7: bad for jobs, and it's not a decision that can
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Speaker 7: be stacked up and the Minister really does have to
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Speaker 7: come clean and explain why. We know, for example, as
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Speaker 7: you mentioned State Planning it gets a tick. Her own department,
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Speaker 7: it seems gave it a tick, and we know the
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Speaker 7: local Aboriginal Land Council also gave it a tick.
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Speaker 8: So we need to know why has this been knocked.
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Speaker 7: Back, because otherwise what else is going to be knocked back?
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Speaker 8: It needs to be transparent.
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Speaker 7: We need answers and the country needs these projects approved.
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Speaker 2: All right, that's a good point.
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Speaker 9: Now.
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Speaker 3: Major news today the ABC managing director David Anderson said publicly.
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Speaker 2: That he was going to leave the ABC. This is
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Speaker 2: just a year into his second five year term, Matt Canavan.
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Speaker 3: There's a lot of speculation that it could be linked
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Speaker 3: to the incoming chair, Kim Williams, who has been described
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Speaker 3: as being quite interventionist.
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Speaker 2: What do you what are you hearing?
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Speaker 6: Look?
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Speaker 16: Who would know? Who would know? I'm not hearing anything.
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Speaker 16: It's only just been announced today. I mean, I think
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Speaker 16: the sad thing is that I'm not going to hold
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Speaker 16: my breath to expect any major change at the ABC.
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Speaker 16: There needs to be changed, I mean if it's hardly.
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Speaker 1: A well run organization now.
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Speaker 16: But to give David his jew, he did dismiss that
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Speaker 16: journalist who was saying rapidly terrible things about the Israel conflict,
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Speaker 16: adding to tension, something a journalist employed by national broadcaster
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Speaker 16: should not do. He obviously copped a lot of backlash
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Speaker 16: to that, so that might play a role from the staff,
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Speaker 16: you know, and look, maybe good luck to Kim Williams.
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Speaker 16: It seems to be a staff run collective over there,
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Speaker 16: and really it should be an organization run for the
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Speaker 16: interest of the whole nation. So maybe Kim can do
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Speaker 16: something if he's in the diventions. But as I said,
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Speaker 16: I won't be holding my breath. I won't be switching
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Speaker 16: the dial to the ABC anytimes. Keep it on the Sky.
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Speaker 3: And yes, I haven't watched the ABC in I don't
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Speaker 3: no years. It's always on Sky News or Fox News Basil.
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Speaker 2: Look, Kim Williams has.
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Speaker 3: Said he was going to try and restore some balance
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Speaker 3: to the ABC.
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Speaker 2: He said that before he started.
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Speaker 3: There are I am hearing a lot of rumblings that
22:15
Speaker 3: it is actually getting quite hands on things like the
22:18
Speaker 3: ABC website homepage.
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Speaker 2: So you know, we'll see just how far he goes.
22:23
Speaker 2: But I think you know, when Matt just.
22:24
Speaker 3: Said it is a staff collective, that is what we've
22:27
Speaker 3: seen that no chairs, managing directors or anyone on the
22:30
Speaker 3: board has ever been able to actually have an impact
22:33
Speaker 3: when it comes to having an unbiased and objective, not
22:38
Speaker 3: even group of journalists just their output.
22:42
Speaker 7: Well, something has changed, obviously when a decision like this
22:45
Speaker 7: is a career decision like this, a five year contract
22:48
Speaker 7: is put on your table, you do consider where will
22:50
Speaker 7: I be over the course of that contract. And unless
22:53
Speaker 7: there's been some family circumstances change, which doesn't appear to
22:56
Speaker 7: be the case, we know the MD has had a
22:59
Speaker 7: change of or a change of mind or a change
23:02
Speaker 7: of direction coming from above.
23:04
Speaker 8: So that may well be a good thing.
23:07
Speaker 7: That might be what many people around Australia have been
23:10
Speaker 7: calling for for a long time. There will be a
23:13
Speaker 7: new MD to carry out the new chair's vision. Let's
23:17
Speaker 7: see what happens, shall we?
23:18
Speaker 3: All right, Basil zemplus Matt Canavan. Great to see you
23:21
Speaker 3: both as always on a Thursday. Now, the British New
23:25
Speaker 3: Labor government has appointed one of its top security bureaucrats
23:29
Speaker 3: to review the AUCUST partnership.
23:32
Speaker 2: The Nightly reports that Sir Stephen.
23:34
Speaker 3: Lovegrove will pour over the progress and benefits of UCUS
23:37
Speaker 3: and report to the government in October. Now, this ORCUS
23:42
Speaker 3: partnership between the US, the UK and Australia is critical
23:46
Speaker 3: to our national security and as the American Congressman Michael
23:49
Speaker 3: McColl told me last week, it is the single biggest
23:52
Speaker 3: deterrent against China right now. Former Prime Minister Scott Morrison
23:57
Speaker 3: orchestrated the Orchest deal and when he learned that it
24:01
Speaker 3: was Stephen Lovegrove who was going to lead this review.
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Speaker 2: He wasn't concerned in the slightest.
24:06
Speaker 3: Now, Scott Morrison was traveling, he couldn't be on this
24:09
Speaker 3: show tonight, but he told me the review of Orcus
24:12
Speaker 3: by Stephen Lovegrove is a welcome development and provides the
24:16
Speaker 3: opportunity for a refreshed UK commitment to Orcus from the
24:20
Speaker 3: Starmer government.
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Speaker 2: He said.
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Speaker 3: Stephen was in the room with Boris, President Biden and
24:25
Speaker 3: I when we founded Orcus, and was instrumental in bringing
24:30
Speaker 3: Orcus into being. No one other than Boris would have
24:33
Speaker 3: a better understanding of the ambitions, purpose and need for
24:37
Speaker 3: Orcus in the UK than Stephen.
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Speaker 2: He said.
24:40
Speaker 3: I look forward to seeing his report and commend the
24:42
Speaker 3: Starmer government for appointing him to this important task. And
24:48
Speaker 3: while Scott Morrison couldn't be on the show tonight, he
24:50
Speaker 3: will be on my program early next week to discuss
24:53
Speaker 3: this and other topics. But for now, let's bring in
24:56
Speaker 3: Strategic Analysis. Australia Director Peter Jennings great to see you again.
25:01
Speaker 3: Why would Kiir Starma be ordering a review into orcus.
25:08
Speaker 6: Well.
25:08
Speaker 17: It's a new government and I guess he needs to
25:11
Speaker 17: persuade that huge backbench of MPs that Labour now has
25:16
Speaker 17: keeping them in government that this is something that's going
25:18
Speaker 17: to work from a labor perspective as well. I agree
25:23
Speaker 17: with Scott Morrison's take. I think that I would be
25:26
Speaker 17: astonished if anything negative came out of the review. And importantly,
25:32
Speaker 17: for AUCUST to work, each of the three countries that
25:36
Speaker 17: are partners SHARI need to get something from it. It's
25:38
Speaker 17: not about a charitable act towards strengthening Australia's defense.
25:44
Speaker 1: What the British get is a.
25:46
Speaker 17: Strengthened defense industry and will get benefit from that. What
25:51
Speaker 17: the Americans get is a stronger ally in the Endo Pacific.
25:54
Speaker 17: So each of the three countries needs to get a
25:57
Speaker 17: benefit and I'm sure this review will put the case
26:01
Speaker 17: to Keir Starmer that the UK is a strong beneficiary
26:06
Speaker 17: from UCAS as well.
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Speaker 3: Peter, I'd like to ask you about the Gaza and
26:11
Speaker 3: visa issue now. Tony Burke, the Minister, has categorically said
26:15
Speaker 3: that no government in its right mind would send people
26:18
Speaker 3: back to Gaza. Now the Palestinians are here on visitor visas.
26:23
Speaker 3: They have an expiration date. So what do you expect
26:27
Speaker 3: will happen when that time is up in the near future.
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Speaker 17: I think it's very clear Shari. Those visitor visas last
26:38
Speaker 17: for twelve months, and so if we can assume, and
26:42
Speaker 17: we know that a number of them were being issued
26:44
Speaker 17: from mid October on that right now there will be
26:51
Speaker 17: people with those visas who will be applying for asylum
26:55
Speaker 17: status in Australia in order to remain permanently. And the
27:00
Speaker 17: thing about asylum status, as I understand it, is a
27:04
Speaker 17: minister has to make that authorization. They have to authorize
27:07
Speaker 17: that a person can make an application for that. And
27:10
Speaker 17: so what we've seen in the last fortnight is the
27:14
Speaker 17: government essentially trying to push this problem onto firstly the
27:18
Speaker 17: intelligence agencies, get Mike Burgess in front of the cameras,
27:23
Speaker 17: he'll look after it for as then saying that there
27:26
Speaker 17: is a process which is going to happen somehow completely
27:30
Speaker 17: removed from any politician taking responsibility for allowing those people in.
27:37
Speaker 17: But now we are, in coming months ago to have
27:39
Speaker 17: a constant stream of the thirteen hundred that are in Australia,
27:43
Speaker 17: I believe applying for asylum status and that is going
27:48
Speaker 17: to land directly on the desk of the Immigration Minister.
27:52
Speaker 3: I didn't mean to laugh then, when you were making
27:54
Speaker 3: a serious point about Mike Burgess assuring Australians that he
27:58
Speaker 3: was taking care of security. I mean there's been a
28:00
Speaker 3: loss of confidence in ASIO after they said the people
28:03
Speaker 3: with rhetorical support for hermus will welcome into the country.
28:07
Speaker 3: I think that that interview has proved problematic. But before
28:11
Speaker 3: you get into that, Pete, I want to ask you
28:13
Speaker 3: as well. We've just seen the Democratic National Convention rolling
28:17
Speaker 3: out at the moment, Kamala Harris being represented to the
28:21
Speaker 3: American public as though she were a brand new candidate,
28:25
Speaker 3: not the current VP, as part of the current Biden administration.
28:30
Speaker 3: What do you think a Kamala Harris presidency would look like.
28:36
Speaker 17: I think if Kamala Harris becomes president, she's going to
28:39
Speaker 17: become the American Jasinda Ardern. She's going to be very
28:44
Speaker 17: focused on performative, theatrical politics of a woke, progressive variety,
28:51
Speaker 17: and that's going to be an unusual thing to see
28:53
Speaker 17: from the White House, even after having Obama and Biden
28:57
Speaker 17: in the chair for so many years. How is it
29:01
Speaker 17: going to be possible for her to do that at
29:03
Speaker 17: the same time as she's responsible for, for example, modernizing
29:07
Speaker 17: America's nuclear weapons arsenal, which is something that is happening
29:10
Speaker 17: right now, or for maintaining de terrence not just against Russia,
29:15
Speaker 17: but Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran because those four
29:20
Speaker 17: countries are kind of sequencing their behavior together. I think
29:24
Speaker 17: this is going to be a very challenging.
29:26
Speaker 8: Span for.
29:29
Speaker 17: A President Harris to try and cover from on the
29:33
Speaker 17: one hand, playing to the pro Palestinian student crowds occupying
29:37
Speaker 17: university campuses as they did, through to playing that serious
29:42
Speaker 17: role of being that the global national security guardian, which
29:47
Speaker 17: only the United States can do. But certainly at the moment,
29:51
Speaker 17: I think the model is Jsinda Radin. That's what I
29:54
Speaker 17: see Kamala looking like in terms of how she's presenting
29:57
Speaker 17: herself in the run up to the president election.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
30:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, we we'll see if she does become subject to
30:04
Speaker 3: any scrutiny regarding her policies.
30:06
Speaker 2: Peter Jennings, always wonderful to have you on the show.
30:09
Speaker 2: Thank you really appreciate it. Now, still coming up in
30:12
Speaker 2: the program.
30:13
Speaker 3: Text messages highlight the involvement of the so called mean
30:17
Speaker 3: girls Pennywong and Katie Gallagher in the Brittany Higgins saga. Also,
30:21
Speaker 3: the former editor in chief of The Age slams The
30:24
Speaker 3: New York Times over its reporter leaking the names of
30:27
Speaker 3: hundreds of Jews. Michael Gwenda will join me to discuss
30:31
Speaker 3: this shameful saga that's coming up after this quick break.
30:39
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
30:39
Speaker 18: Well.
30:40
Speaker 3: The New York Times is meant to be one of
30:42
Speaker 3: the world's most trusted newspapers, and yet one of their
30:46
Speaker 3: journalists was part of a private WhatsApp group of six
30:50
Speaker 3: hundred Australian Jews. This journalist downloaded the private chats and
30:56
Speaker 3: leaked them to another individual and it leaked from their
31:00
Speaker 3: leading to horrific threats and anti Semitic attacks, and the
31:05
Speaker 3: private information of Australian Jews private individuals being leaked and disseminated.
31:12
Speaker 3: The former editor in chief of The Age newspaper, Michael Gwenda,
31:15
Speaker 3: writes in The Australian that the ethical foundations of journalism
31:19
Speaker 3: in liberal democracies like Australia have been reduced to rubble,
31:24
Speaker 3: and I'm pleased to say, Michael joins me.
31:26
Speaker 2: Now, Michael, thank you very much for your time.
31:30
Speaker 3: Look, firstly, can you explain it it be with you?
31:33
Speaker 3: How did it come to light that a New York
31:36
Speaker 3: Times journalist had originally leaked the information about hundreds of
31:40
Speaker 3: Australian Jews.
31:44
Speaker 6: Well, I think what happened was that.
31:48
Speaker 18: After the doc sne happened the group, which happened some
31:53
Speaker 18: time ago, months ago. Now people on that WhatsApp obviously
32:00
Speaker 18: realized that their information, their chats had been somehow accessed
32:08
Speaker 18: by someone and leaked and had gone and had gone
32:12
Speaker 18: to people who were frankly viciously. They call themselves pro Palestinian,
32:21
Speaker 18: but they're vicious people who have basically, over a long
32:25
Speaker 18: period of time, six months or longer, attacked some of
32:32
Speaker 18: these Jewish people online, and many of them have tens
32:37
Speaker 18: of thousands of followers. Now they realized, these people realized
32:41
Speaker 18: that somehow their chats had been leaked to these people,
32:45
Speaker 18: including people like Clementine Ford for instance, and they thought, well,
32:50
Speaker 18: they couldn't believe that this has been done. It could
32:53
Speaker 18: only have been someone who was on part of the
32:56
Speaker 18: chat group that had done that. I think it took
32:59
Speaker 18: them some time. I don't know how they discovered who
33:02
Speaker 18: it was, but they eventually did discover well, I think
33:08
Speaker 18: the group themselves had real suspicions that it was this
33:12
Speaker 18: person that had eleeked it. But the Wall Street Journal,
33:15
Speaker 18: to their great credit, did the journalistic examination of what
33:22
Speaker 18: had gone on, found out who it was and published
33:26
Speaker 18: that really fine story a few days ago of what
33:31
Speaker 18: had actually taken place. That it was a New York
33:34
Speaker 18: Times journalist based in Melbourne. I'm not sure she's still
33:37
Speaker 18: here because she writes she writes the europe Newsletter. How
33:43
Speaker 18: she does that from Melbourne, I don't know, but they
33:47
Speaker 18: discovered that, they published the story. It was a good story,
33:51
Speaker 18: but I think, to the great shame of Australian journalism,
33:55
Speaker 18: this story had to be done by the Wall Street
33:58
Speaker 18: Journal rather than one of the newspapers here in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Very good point.
34:04
Speaker 3: Now, Michael, you've written a letter to the New York
34:07
Speaker 3: Times leadership. In it, you know, you ask what responsibility
34:12
Speaker 3: they've taken for one of their reporters, you know, being
34:16
Speaker 3: involved in this leaking of the information that led to
34:19
Speaker 3: so many hundreds of Jews being harmed.
34:23
Speaker 2: Do you think they have taken enough.
34:24
Speaker 3: Responsibility they haven't even really reported on this at all.
34:30
Speaker 6: Now they've taken no responsibility.
34:32
Speaker 18: In my view, I think it's I think it's I
34:36
Speaker 18: don't understand the standard, except in terms of this is
34:40
Speaker 18: something that they think happened far away in Australia and
34:44
Speaker 18: that they can basically ignore it.
34:47
Speaker 6: I think that's how they're behaving.
34:49
Speaker 18: I thought to myself, if this had happened to say,
34:52
Speaker 18: a group of six hundred American Jews, that their information
34:59
Speaker 18: had been lead in this way by a New York
35:02
Speaker 18: Times reporter, could they have ignored the story the way
35:05
Speaker 18: they have.
35:06
Speaker 6: I doubt that they could have.
35:08
Speaker 18: But to me, this is just absolutely an example of
35:12
Speaker 18: journalistic cowardice. I wrote to them, I said, you know
35:17
Speaker 18: you pride yourself on being fearless in your reporting. You
35:23
Speaker 18: also pride yourself and have over many years, been absolutely
35:29
Speaker 18: committed to when you make mistakes, revealing the mistakes that
35:33
Speaker 18: your journalists have made.
35:35
Speaker 6: Examining them, telling your readers about.
35:38
Speaker 18: Them, telling your readers what you're going to do to
35:42
Speaker 18: make sure it doesn't happen again.
35:44
Speaker 6: They have not done anything like that in this case.
35:47
Speaker 6: I think it's I think it's a sign.
35:49
Speaker 18: For me, it's a sign of where journalism is at,
35:52
Speaker 18: especially I've got to say in the liberal media. It's
35:56
Speaker 18: a sign of where which I was part of for
35:59
Speaker 18: my whole journalistic life. It's a sign of where we've
36:03
Speaker 18: ended up.
36:04
Speaker 3: Well, yes, I mean, you know you look far too
36:06
Speaker 3: young for this, but I understand you spent five decades
36:10
Speaker 3: at the Age you were the editor in chief, and
36:12
Speaker 3: yet you're writing about anti Semitism has appeared in the Australian.
36:17
Speaker 3: What does that tell you about, as you call it,
36:20
Speaker 3: the liberal media in this country.
36:24
Speaker 6: Well, I'll tell you one thing.
36:25
Speaker 18: It tells me that the Age and papers like the Age,
36:30
Speaker 18: and I think this is probably true about the ABC
36:32
Speaker 18: as well, that the executive producers, the news directors, the
36:39
Speaker 18: editors have lost control of their newspapers and their television
36:44
Speaker 18: stations and then news outfits. I think that we've reached
36:51
Speaker 18: a point now where editors, I feel like this has happened.
36:57
Speaker 18: Editors are really captive of their staff and I think
37:02
Speaker 18: the truth is that there are many people on papers
37:05
Speaker 18: like the Age of Sidney Morning Herald that that would
37:09
Speaker 18: be and have staff that would be appalled if I
37:14
Speaker 18: was allowed to write for them.
37:16
Speaker 6: I think that's the situation we're in at the.
37:18
Speaker 3: Moment, and shame on them because anyone, any media outlet
37:22
Speaker 3: should be honored to have your work being published. Michael,
37:25
Speaker 3: thank you for your courage and speaking out on this
37:28
Speaker 3: issue and on the media who have been hostile in
37:32
Speaker 3: covering the antisemitism crisis. I just don't understand how the
37:36
Speaker 3: ABC has failed to comprehensively cover what's been going on
37:40
Speaker 3: in our country. It's unprecedented in Australia at the levels
37:43
Speaker 3: of antisemitism. Public broadcaster has barely touched the issue. Michael
37:48
Speaker 3: Gwenda really appreciate your time.
37:49
Speaker 2: Thank you.
37:51
Speaker 3: Now up next, when families can't afford to buy a chicken,
37:55
Speaker 3: you know, the cost of living crisis is coming home
37:58
Speaker 3: to roost.
37:58
Speaker 2: Will cover that in a moment.
38:00
Speaker 3: Plus, how long will Donald Trump have to remain behind
38:03
Speaker 3: bulletproof glass before he can have.
38:06
Speaker 2: A rally out in the open. I'm going to discuss
38:08
Speaker 2: that with my panel.
38:09
Speaker 3: Next, welcome back, Well, let's bring you now Sky News
38:15
Speaker 3: contributor Gary Hardgrave and llenp Senator James McGrath. Welcome to
38:20
Speaker 3: you both, gentlemen. Let's turn to the cost of chicken. Now,
38:24
Speaker 3: you know, the cost of living crisis is biting hard
38:27
Speaker 3: when sales of chicken fall dramatically.
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Speaker 2: This is meant to be.
38:32
Speaker 3: And I have to say don't eat chicken myself, but
38:34
Speaker 3: this is meant to be the cheapest and most popular
38:37
Speaker 3: protein for Australians. This is according to the ODS newspaper.
38:42
Speaker 2: Gary.
38:43
Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of grocery products that people
38:46
Speaker 3: just can't afford to buy anymore.
38:50
Speaker 8: You know, Shari.
38:51
Speaker 19: If you don't eat it and I don't eat it,
38:54
Speaker 19: and Australians on average eat fifty kilos of chicken a year,
38:59
Speaker 19: there must be some people doing a lot of work
39:01
Speaker 19: for you and me.
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Speaker 1: Look, it's very rare.
39:04
Speaker 2: Why don't you eat chicken? Gary? What's your excuse?
39:09
Speaker 8: It's not my first choice.
39:10
Speaker 19: I'd much rather have a good piece of red meat
39:13
Speaker 19: and some great seafood.
39:14
Speaker 8: So there you go. It's pretty simple.
39:16
Speaker 19: But look, chicken is the mainstay for a lot of people,
39:20
Speaker 19: and yet the cost of.
39:21
Speaker 8: Living crisis is coming home. But the problem, the problem.
39:23
Speaker 19: Here is that McDonald's, KFC and the people that cook
39:27
Speaker 19: chickens are not affording the cost of the electricity.
39:30
Speaker 8: That's the problem, Charri.
39:31
Speaker 19: And this is all the big retailers, all the big
39:35
Speaker 19: commercial fast food stores. Everybody is feeling the pressure because
39:39
Speaker 19: labor is so hell bent on driving up the cost
39:42
Speaker 19: of electricity.
39:42
Speaker 8: So yep, going to come home to rooster.
39:45
Speaker 3: As you say, yeah, James, I think there's a section
39:48
Speaker 3: of the population that are really struggling just to put
39:52
Speaker 3: food on the table, you know, kind of close to
39:55
Speaker 3: poverty during this cost of living crisis. But then there's
39:58
Speaker 3: another whole section of Australians who were just actually cutting
40:01
Speaker 3: back on a lot of grocery items because inflation has
40:06
Speaker 3: pushed up the price of just common things and it's
40:08
Speaker 3: not going back down.
40:11
Speaker 11: Food prices under labor have gone up eleven percent in
40:14
Speaker 11: the last two years. This country isn't a cost of
40:17
Speaker 11: living crisis. Now, I love chicken and I'll take your
40:21
Speaker 11: fifty and fifty kilos here, go for it. I die
40:26
Speaker 11: genuinely adore KFC. But seriously, there are families out there
40:31
Speaker 11: their treat is on a Friday night is to get KFC.
40:35
Speaker 11: And if people can't afford KFC, it shows there is
40:38
Speaker 11: a real problem in Australia and that is because we've
40:41
Speaker 11: got a labor government and as Gary pointed out, they're
40:44
Speaker 11: driving up the power of the cost of power sorry,
40:47
Speaker 11: they're driving up the cost of living just generally with
40:49
Speaker 11: this insurance, rent, mortgage and whatever. People are cutting back
40:52
Speaker 11: and it's because of Alban exactly.
40:55
Speaker 2: Yeah.
40:56
Speaker 3: Now, Donald Trump held his first outdoor campaign rally since
40:59
Speaker 3: the assassination attempt.
41:01
Speaker 2: He had to do it behind bulletproof glass.
41:05
Speaker 6: Have a look that charade that.
41:08
Speaker 1: They have going on.
41:09
Speaker 5: They mentioned my name I think two hundred and seventy
41:11
Speaker 5: one times. They mentioned the economy, like twelve times.
41:15
Speaker 8: They mentioned the border. Maybe none.
41:17
Speaker 5: They don't talk about the border. Our great Borders doesn't
41:21
Speaker 5: talk about the border. But they mentioned me more than
41:24
Speaker 5: any other category. I'm now a category that had me
41:26
Speaker 5: down today as a category. That's all they talk about Trump.
41:30
Speaker 5: We've driven him crazy. They have Trump derangement syndrome and Gary.
41:35
Speaker 3: Of course he was speaking there about the DNC, but
41:38
Speaker 3: it's true their focus was more Trump than any policies.
41:43
Speaker 19: Yeah, because Trump is the guy that's standing between the
41:47
Speaker 19: insanity of more of this green left climate corn internationally
41:51
Speaker 19: and getting ourselves back on track. And frankly, Australians will
41:55
Speaker 19: be better off if Donald Trump can completely pierce this
41:59
Speaker 19: mad dream about renewables being able to give us enough
42:03
Speaker 19: electricity to cook that Kentucky fried chicken that James seems
42:07
Speaker 19: to like so much. Look, you know, Donald Trump has
42:10
Speaker 19: got to get out there, and if he's taking any
42:13
Speaker 19: sort of advice from security people to be behind plexiglass,
42:17
Speaker 19: I tell you one thing it does do is emphasizes
42:19
Speaker 19: the fact that he is a big threat to the
42:22
Speaker 19: elites and to the establishment all around the world, and
42:25
Speaker 19: people are going to be able to get him. This
42:27
Speaker 19: bloke will broke her a difference if he can be elected.
42:30
Speaker 19: So keep him safe, keep him bottled up. Well I
42:33
Speaker 19: don't think he can keep him bottled up, But keep
42:35
Speaker 19: him on track and make us make America and the
42:38
Speaker 19: rest of the world great again.
42:39
Speaker 3: I say now, I want to end our conversation with
42:42
Speaker 3: this amazing eleven year old Australian girl. She survived a
42:46
Speaker 3: horrific stabbing attack in London. She's spoken to the Daily
42:49
Speaker 3: Telegraph for the first time.
42:51
Speaker 2: Have a quick look.
42:54
Speaker 20: The police that have been looking after me. They drove
42:57
Speaker 20: me everywhere and they've just been so lockfily. Some of
43:01
Speaker 20: them bonded with me really fast and I felt safe.
43:05
Speaker 20: My friend Chris and Carly they came with us to
43:08
Speaker 20: Taylor Swift for work for work and they had a
43:13
Speaker 20: great time, but they also made me feel more safe.
43:17
Speaker 2: James, She's incredible.
43:19
Speaker 3: But how is it that girls, that women are being stabbed,
43:24
Speaker 3: that the knife attacks in the UK.
43:26
Speaker 2: It's just next level.
43:29
Speaker 11: It's next level in the UK. But also here the
43:32
Speaker 11: violence against women and girls in Australia. But what is
43:35
Speaker 11: just brilliant about this young Australian is what her mum said,
43:38
Speaker 11: that nothing will stop her. And I think the future
43:41
Speaker 11: is bright in Australia. We've got people like Layla who've
43:44
Speaker 11: gone through a horrific stabbing incident attempted murder in the UK,
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Speaker 11: and you just look at it now and go, oh
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Speaker 11: my goodness, adults, look at this person, stop whinging, stop
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Speaker 11: being silks, look at this young Australian and just get
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Speaker 11: on with.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Beautiful story, beautiful girl. Gary Hargrave, James McGrath, Great to
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Speaker 3: see you both tonight.
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Speaker 2: Now after the break.
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Speaker 3: Just how involved were the so called mean girls Katie
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Speaker 3: Gallagher and Penny Wong in the Britney Higgins scandal. Well,
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Speaker 3: some of their own text messages have come to light.
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Speaker 3: We're going to look at it with Chris Merritt after
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Speaker 3: the Break, senior Albanesi Government ministers Penny Wong and Katie
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Speaker 3: Gallagher have long denied they had anything to do with
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Speaker 3: weaponizing Brittney Higgins rape allegations against the Morrison government politically,
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Speaker 3: but new text messages shed light on their involvement in
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Speaker 3: the saga. They've been tended in court in the defamation
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Speaker 3: suits that Linda Reynolds is pursuing against Higgins and her husband,
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Speaker 3: David Scharaz.
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Speaker 2: Now Finance Minister.
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Speaker 3: Katie Gallagher texted the journalists who break the story, Sam Maiden,
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Speaker 3: to discuss parts of it. She said she saw the
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Speaker 3: police before the first April though she's meaning brit So
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Speaker 3: texting about the detail of the case and Pennywog also
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Speaker 3: sent text messages to Maiden as you can see on
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Speaker 3: the screen as well. Let's bring in now legal affairs
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Speaker 3: expert and the vice president of the Rule of Law Institute.
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Speaker 2: Chris Merritt.
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Speaker 3: Chris, thanks great to see you again. Look what do
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Speaker 3: you think these messages show about Pennywog and Katie Gallagher's
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Speaker 3: involvement in pushing the story along from a political perspective.
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Speaker 21: Look, it'll be up to Justice Title hopefully in his
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Speaker 21: judgment to put together a timeline which will hopefully spell
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Speaker 21: out a bit more detail about who knew what and when.
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Speaker 21: But on the face of things, it looks as though
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Speaker 21: this is in line with the finding in the earlier
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Speaker 21: defamation case in the Federal Court, where Justice Michael Lee
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Speaker 21: said this must be the only cover up where the
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Speaker 21: party accused of covering up wanted to call and the police.
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Speaker 21: So the timing is crucial on all this who knew
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Speaker 21: what and when? And the big concern, however, is this
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Speaker 21: Labor is not a party to this. This is a
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Speaker 21: defamation case. There's a risk that we might never get
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Speaker 21: to the bottom of this, that this defamation case might
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Speaker 21: not get to the bottom of it, which means the
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Speaker 21: National Anti Corruption Commission. This might fall to the Commission
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Speaker 21: to dig into and have a good look at. But
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Speaker 21: there are a few surprises in this week's proceedings, and
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Speaker 21: one of the biggest is that there now appears to
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Speaker 21: be two psychiatric reports on the harm that's said to
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Speaker 21: have been caused to Miss Higgins. One of the reports
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Speaker 21: says one hundred percent of the harm was caused by
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Speaker 21: the sexual assault that is said to have taken place,
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Speaker 21: and the other says only a only sixty percent and
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Speaker 21: the rest was due to the mishandling of the sexual
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Speaker 21: assault by the government. Now how that came about is
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Speaker 21: also a matter that hopefully could still be referred to
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Speaker 21: the Anti Corruption Commission, but the judge didn't seem to
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Speaker 21: be that interested in this aspect of the affair. It
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Speaker 21: doesn't go to the question of defamation. That goes more
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Speaker 21: to the broader narrative of the payout to Miss Higgins,
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Speaker 21: so that we could finish up with a very unsatisfactory
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Speaker 21: outcome in this case. We might get a win or
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Speaker 21: a loss in the defamation proceedings, but that could leave
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Speaker 21: a number of questions hanging that are very crucial to
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Speaker 21: the broader narrative and the public interest.
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Speaker 3: We also heard this week that Brittany Higgins won't be
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Speaker 3: giving evidence.
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Speaker 2: She won't be defending herself.
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Speaker 22: If you like, is this unusual, Well, if you're going
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Speaker 22: to defend a mation case and not take the stand,
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Speaker 22: it's a very strange way to conduct a defense.
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Speaker 6: Let me put it that way.
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Speaker 8: It denies.
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Speaker 21: Miss Reynolds's counsel from the opportunity of cross examining and
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Speaker 21: testing Miss Higgins on the stand. We already know that
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Speaker 21: mister Charraz is not going to give evidence, so it's
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Speaker 21: almost like fighting someone who's not there. So the case
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Speaker 21: will be determined on the evidence that's come to light
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Speaker 21: so far, and some of that evidence. The text messages
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Speaker 21: that came out today this week are really quite surprising.
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Speaker 21: They show that Samantha Maiden, the News Limited journalist news
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Speaker 21: dot com journalist, actually chastised mister Sharraz at one stage
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Speaker 21: and urged him to stop conducting himself like some sort
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Speaker 21: of agent out of concern for the stress.
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Speaker 3: She was concerned about putting pressure on Higgins, no question,
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Speaker 3: Chris Merritt were out of time. Great to see you.
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Speaker 3: Thanks everyone for your company this week. I'll see you Monday.
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Speaker 2: And here's Paul Murray