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Issue 374: Jedi Repopulation · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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  Speaker 1: week is something that just sort of flits across the
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  Speaker 1: mind from time to time that we all know the
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  Speaker 1: Jedi were all but extinct at the end of Order
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  Speaker 1: sixty six. We know that there were some Jedi that
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  Speaker 1: took it the right way, some Jedi that took it
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  Speaker 1: the wrong way, and some Jedi that just took it
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  Speaker 1: the hard way, like Balin's skull. So we come to
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  Speaker 1: this and it's sort of a fleeting thought and I'll
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  Speaker 1: just throw it right out there on the floor for you.
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  Speaker 1: If the Jedi feel that the Light is being extinguished
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  Speaker 1: and that their way is the light, wouldn't it follow that,
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  Speaker 1: in this time of great distress, possibly one of the
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  Speaker 1: orders or mandates, if you will, of the Jedi when
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  Speaker 1: they went back out into the galaxy would have been
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  Speaker 1: to forego their prohibition against mating and pro creating and
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  Speaker 1: instead considered it their duty to have as many kids
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  Speaker 1: as possible to try to repopulate the Jedi. By that means,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it inevitable that somebody out there would have had
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  Speaker 1: that thought?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean I think that the question in that
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  Speaker 3: for me, I think really became when you kind of
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  Speaker 3: brought it up and I was thinking about it. It
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  Speaker 3: doesn't seem like you have to be you know, a
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  Speaker 3: Jedi uh to have somebody you know have uh force
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  Speaker 3: ability like that that it doesn't necessarily mean that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you've got two Jedi parents, they're going to give birth to,
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  Speaker 3: you know, somebody who's is strong in the force. And
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  Speaker 3: I do think that that's an interesting uh thing. Do
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  Speaker 3: do we know specifically that just because you know, two
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  Speaker 3: people who have high medical warrant accounts that were Jedi
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  Speaker 3: actually leads to if they have a child, that child
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  Speaker 3: being strong in the force.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: Now, you know, I think that as we look at
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  Speaker 3: Star Wars as we have seen it, and the only
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  Speaker 3: place really where this question I think became a a real,
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  Speaker 3: you know issue where we actually saw this be the
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  Speaker 3: case where somebody uh you know had a a child.
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  Speaker 3: Uh honestly that it was it was Haarrah and Canaan, right,
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  Speaker 3: you know, they have Jason and uh you know, we
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  Speaker 3: get the the thought that that he's possibly for sensitive, right, uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and and so in fact, you know, we
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  Speaker 3: have that from the Ahsoka series, right, that that he
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  Speaker 3: is for sensitive, which I do think is an incredibly
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  Speaker 3: interesting uh this idea that that that's the case. And
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  Speaker 3: so you know, I, you know, I don't, I don't
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  Speaker 3: know what what do you think about this?
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  Speaker 1: Did did?
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  Speaker 3: Did that come to mind? The idea that this this
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  Speaker 3: is like in some way like a Harry Potter situation
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  Speaker 3: where you know, we didn't specifically, uh, you know, have
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  Speaker 3: a a child. You know, just because a child was
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  Speaker 3: born of two wizards that meant they were going to
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  Speaker 3: be you know, another wizard, uh specifically, or that could
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  Speaker 3: they have a muggle child? You know, like you know,
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  Speaker 3: that's the kind of question that I came across in
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  Speaker 3: this And so where did where did you kind of
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  Speaker 3: land with it?
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  Speaker 1: You're coming at it from the way that a proper
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  Speaker 1: reasonable Jedi should have come to it, which is, I
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  Speaker 1: agree with you, the force has a will that it exerts,
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  Speaker 1: and just because you are the offspring of a forced
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  Speaker 1: sensitive person does not mean that you yourself will be
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  Speaker 1: for sensitive. In fact, even though it will make some
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  Speaker 1: ears curdle out there. We find that with Palpatine and
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  Speaker 1: his clones that it is possible to have that sense
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  Speaker 1: of offspring with somebody who isn't particularly gifted. Uh. But
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  Speaker 1: then the next generation is gifted. So the Force sort
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  Speaker 1: of chooses who it wants its avatars to be, who
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  Speaker 1: it wants to gift greater power to, as it were.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that there would inevitably, I really think
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  Speaker 1: there would inevitably be Jedi out there whose inner compass
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  Speaker 1: would be broken in a sense, and they'd be looking
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  Speaker 1: for what's the right direction. Obviously, Canaan and a lot
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  Speaker 1: of Jedi like him chose to run out and go
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  Speaker 1: into hiding and try to keep it on the down low,
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  Speaker 1: and those sorts of things. Balen went out and he
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  Speaker 1: got his own apprentice and said, I'm going to remake
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  Speaker 1: the Jedi, but in the image that they should have been,
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  Speaker 1: which is what I know how they went wrong, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to fix it, and we're going to fix
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  Speaker 1: it my way. And then you have, of course, you
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  Speaker 1: know all the different variations in between. But I think
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  Speaker 1: that there would be a tremendous storytelling opportunity for somebody
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  Speaker 1: to come in and examine the idea of a Jedi
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  Speaker 1: who whoever it was, as a Jedi, there would inevitably
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  Speaker 1: be somebody out there who had considered it a mandate
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  Speaker 1: of the Jedi to go out there and have kids
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  Speaker 1: and at least increase the odds of four sensitive children.
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  Speaker 1: And then if there were four sensitive children, raising them
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  Speaker 1: as their own, sort of like making it a family
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  Speaker 1: thing and say, you know, your father was a Jedi,
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  Speaker 1: you're a Jedi. We're all going to be Jedi from
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  Speaker 1: here on out, and we'll rebuild the order this way.
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  Speaker 1: But then you also get into the troubling territory of
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  Speaker 1: a Jedi who thinks of this mandate and then goes
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  Speaker 1: out and basically just irresponsibly starts having children with as
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  Speaker 1: many people as possible and doesn't stick around for it,
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  Speaker 1: which you could argue creates a whole host of other
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  Speaker 1: problems by just creating a bunch of four sensitive kids
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  Speaker 1: that the Sith can then come along and corrupt at
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  Speaker 1: their whim.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean see that. I do wonder too. This
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  Speaker 3: is a question too, like how many Jedi are left
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  Speaker 3: m h. We don't really know, but it seems like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, there's a decent amount, maybe.
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  Speaker 1: Less than one hundred, but more than two.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, uh, And so that's a that's a good question.
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  Speaker 3: I think is is like how many Jedi actually left?
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  Speaker 3: And you know what we I feel like, cuh, in
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  Speaker 3: the series that have have come, is that so many
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  Speaker 3: of them really struggle even to stay alive. Like I
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  Speaker 3: think of even like the Obi Wan Kenobe series right
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  Speaker 3: where that Jedi comes to meet him in the desert, right,
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  Speaker 3: and he's just been on the run and it's just
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  Speaker 3: been so terrible for him. Uh. And you know, trying
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  Speaker 3: to stay alive has been hell for a couple of years.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we know by that point we what Luke
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  Speaker 3: is seven or eight in that that series. I think
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  Speaker 3: he's eight because Leah is supposed to be eight too.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's been like eight years he's been on
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  Speaker 3: their own, and his life is just awful. Uh. And
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  Speaker 3: so you know, I think we we get to see
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  Speaker 3: a lot of these these Jedi and it's been really
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  Speaker 3: rough for them, uh, and they've struggled mightily with you know,
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  Speaker 3: trying to find a life at all. And so I
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  Speaker 3: wonder if any of them, you know, really even had
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  Speaker 3: time to think about this you know, and and that's
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  Speaker 3: I think that's a question that I really come up
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  Speaker 3: with in in this is just how difficult it would be,
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  Speaker 3: uh for them to even have these thoughts, like I'm
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  Speaker 3: just trying to stay alive and I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: if I will even be alive, and so to think
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  Speaker 3: about like should I start to have kids and will
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  Speaker 3: that be a possibility? Is, you know, I think a
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  Speaker 3: really hard thing for them to think about.
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  Speaker 1: That's a fair point, That's a really fair point. You know,
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  Speaker 1: when you're on the run, your priorities are different. So
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  Speaker 1: even if even if you were to come to even
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  Speaker 1: if you were to come to the conclusion that it
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  Speaker 1: would be your duty to repopulate the galaxy with four
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  Speaker 1: sensitive beings, you wouldn't want to slow down enough for
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  Speaker 1: it to happen. But I mean, that even opens up
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  Speaker 1: a whole other question for me, because the one thing
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  Speaker 1: I'm sort of unclear on is the Jedi have to
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  Speaker 1: be setting off a beacon in the force basically, so
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  Speaker 1: like when the Sith are quiet and thinking and meditating
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  Speaker 1: and reaching out, they can sort of feel their presence
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  Speaker 1: out there. But if that's the case in and of itself,
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  Speaker 1: why wouldn't they push into the unknown regions? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Obi Wan stays where he is on purpose because he
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  Speaker 1: has a reason for being where he is. Yoda's often
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  Speaker 1: hiding somewhere. We know where Canaan is, and Canaan's kept
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  Speaker 1: a really low profile up until, you know, five years
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  Speaker 1: before a New Hope. But Jedi who pushed out into
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  Speaker 1: the unknown regions would have been able to do the same.
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  Speaker 1: So wouldn't it have been something that made sense for
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  Speaker 1: them to go to the unknown regions just in the
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  Speaker 1: first place. Like it's one of those things where it's
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  Speaker 1: like I think that any Jedi on the run who
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  Speaker 1: were thinking clearly would have gone. I mean, they wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: even have stopped at the Outer Rim. They'd have found
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  Speaker 1: a way to go even beyond that, because you know,
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  Speaker 1: to borrow from the Grand Inquisitor, a Jedi can't help
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  Speaker 1: but help others, So you'd want to get as far
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  Speaker 1: away from others that you had to help that would
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  Speaker 1: be in the way of the Empire as it were.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know. Maybe that is the thing
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  Speaker 1: that undercuts it. I Mean, the thing is I come
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  Speaker 1: in with the question and it's like, you know, Honestly,
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  Speaker 1: I guess it doesn't hold water, even though I in
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  Speaker 1: my heart I think there's got to be at least
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  Speaker 1: one Jedi that tries this out. There one Jedi that
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  Speaker 1: completely misinterprets their mandate and how they're going to go
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  Speaker 1: about it. But no, I mean, I'm willing to accept
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  Speaker 1: your argument that just being on the run would have
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  Speaker 1: precluded anything like this from being anybody's sole focus in
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  Speaker 1: any way. So let me flip it on its head,
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  Speaker 1: just to take it in another direction before we close
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  Speaker 1: it out. But with Jedi who, let's say they inadvertently
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  Speaker 1: have children, would that Jedi stick around or would that
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  Speaker 1: Jedi flee knowing that if their child was for sensitive,
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  Speaker 1: they'd be giving off more of a a beacon for
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  Speaker 1: the Sith to find. Would the presence of a child
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  Speaker 1: actually drive a Jedi away from where they had fallen
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  Speaker 1: into hiding because they knew that it made them more
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  Speaker 1: likely to be found and maybe the kid would be
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  Speaker 1: better off if that Jedi wasn't there, potentially magnifying their
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  Speaker 1: presence in the force.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's something that when you when you think
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  Speaker 3: about the idea of like a Jedi settling down having kids,
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  Speaker 3: you know, creating somebody who is possibly for sensitive uh
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  Speaker 3: and a child, how are you going to protect that child,
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  Speaker 3: especially when you know, uh, sadly you can't even protect
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  Speaker 3: yourself or you think you can't pertect yoursel I think
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  Speaker 3: that's a great question, uh, and one that's you know,
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  Speaker 3: would be incredibly scary for you know, any Jedi to
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  Speaker 3: be facing.
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  Speaker 1: UH.
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  Speaker 3: And so I love that idea of how difficult that
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  Speaker 3: would be in this process. And so, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: keep coming back to, you know, the idea of you know,
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  Speaker 3: seeing Hara and Canaan and that when they you know,
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  Speaker 3: get together, right, I think the beauty of that and
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  Speaker 3: and maybe this is the thing is is them choosing
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  Speaker 3: to be in a relationship together by the end. One
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  Speaker 3: of the things that it does is that it shows
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  Speaker 3: that they're willing to live life. They're not going to
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  Speaker 3: stop living life because of what's happened in the galaxy.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, by choosing to create life in this uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and and to to to think about having
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  Speaker 3: a life together, it shows that they're willing to say, hey,
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  Speaker 3: we're we're going to uh, we're going to celebrate why
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  Speaker 3: we're fighting for our lives. You know what We're fighting
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  Speaker 3: for and I think that's actually pretty cool. I think
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  Speaker 3: that that actually shows, uh, maybe one of the reasons
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  Speaker 3: why if if they could, if a Jedi could find
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  Speaker 3: a place where there you know, they could find a
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  Speaker 3: person you know, that they wanted to be with, they
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  Speaker 3: could they could find some sort of stability in that
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  Speaker 3: that the question really wasn't about, you know, whether or
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  Speaker 3: not this is whise it's It's really about this is
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  Speaker 3: a celebration. This is a celebration of all that we
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  Speaker 3: believe in, all that is special, all that makes life
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  Speaker 3: worth living at this point. And I think even the
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  Speaker 3: question of whether or not you choose to do that
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  Speaker 3: is if you have the opportunity, do it, you know,
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  Speaker 3: And so whether or not you know Jedi would necessarily
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  Speaker 3: be encouraged to do that, you know, I think it
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  Speaker 3: would be. It's not necessarily an encouragement. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: in some ways too, their their life was like, go
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  Speaker 3: f if you're still alive, go into hiding, find a
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  Speaker 3: way to survive and live life. Man. And if that
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  Speaker 3: means that, you know, you find a person that you
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  Speaker 3: love and it enables you to be able to have
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  Speaker 3: some semblance of happiness and joy, do it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, and so you know what, I like the
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  Speaker 1: way you put that, because when you think about it,
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  Speaker 1: then a Jedi not being a Jedi, but going out
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  Speaker 1: and establishing a normal life would be the ultimate act
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  Speaker 1: of rebellion because it would guarantee the Jedi would continue,
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  Speaker 1: because it's inevitable that somewhere along the way somebody the
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  Speaker 1: forcewood rungs run strong in somebody's family, as it did
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  Speaker 1: the Skywalker family. And so simply settling down and you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's not even necessarily saying having kids, like let's turn
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  Speaker 1: it away from that and be like, okay, let's accept
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  Speaker 1: the JETI there wouldn't be a jet There might be
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  Speaker 1: one Jedi that's like, oh I got to go out
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  Speaker 1: and have as many kids as possible. But on the whole,
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  Speaker 1: I accept what you're saying where it's like they got
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  Speaker 1: to go into hiding. They're on the run constantly. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: the best they can do is just go out and
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  Speaker 1: just find a simple trade. If they find a family,
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  Speaker 1: if they find an opportunity to have a family, great,
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  Speaker 1: but if not, it's fine. Just going out and being
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  Speaker 1: a fruit vendor somewhere is completely a feasible way to rebel,
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  Speaker 1: and at least make sure that the spark doesn't go out,
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  Speaker 1: and then if you truly believe in the will of
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  Speaker 1: the Force, wherever you end up is going to be
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  Speaker 1: where the Force says you should be. So maybe that's
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  Speaker 1: the whole problem with thinking there as well. Is any
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  Speaker 1: Jedi taking the action of forcing a situation by choosing
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  Speaker 1: to do what balance Gold does, or this theoretical Jedi
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  Speaker 1: who's going out and trying to have as many kids
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  Speaker 1: as possible, that's actually a way of the dark Side
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  Speaker 1: because you're exerting your will, You're not trusting in the
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  Speaker 1: will of the Force. Even Obi Wan and Yoda, they
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  Speaker 1: do not take action until the Force gives them the
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  Speaker 1: signal that yep, you got to come out of retirement. Now.
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  Speaker 1: Cain is the same way. Cain's completely in retirement and
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  Speaker 1: then suddenly this kid pops into his life and it's like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: maybe I am meant to do this, huh okay then right,
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  Speaker 1: So it's like, maybe that's it. Maybe that's the whole
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  Speaker 1: problem with the thesis. Is any Jedi going out there
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  Speaker 1: and trying to force the solution or the opposite effect
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  Speaker 1: of the Sith or something like that is falling into
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  Speaker 1: the exact trap. They're trying to control the way the
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  Speaker 1: galaxy goes, and the only way that you're going to
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  Speaker 1: win is to let go and let the Force put
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  Speaker 1: you where you need to be when you need to
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  Speaker 1: be there. So even the Jedi going and seeking out
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  Speaker 1: Obi Wan, that's a mistake. Did the Force tell you
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  Speaker 1: to go out and seek Obi Wan? Or did you
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  Speaker 1: act out of fear? Fears of the dark side. So
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  Speaker 1: you know, maybe that in and of itself, any idea
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  Speaker 1: like this is a bad idea because you're trying to
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  Speaker 1: exert your own will on the Force.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I think I absolutely love that. I think that.
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  Speaker 3: I think one of the beauties of this question is
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  Speaker 3: that we only see and we only get one character
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  Speaker 3: that does this, and that that character that we see
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  Speaker 3: is Canaan. And I think the beauty of that is
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  Speaker 3: that Canaan is unique in the sense that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: he is somebody who was a Padawan who survived mm hmm,
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  Speaker 3: and he was not raised fully in the Jedi order,
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  Speaker 3: and so him then choosing this course of action of
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  Speaker 3: deciding to have a child and even just to have
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  Speaker 3: a relationship, right is what allows him you know. I again,
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  Speaker 3: I think that really comes down to the fact, hey,
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't he he knows the Jedi code, he's raised
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  Speaker 3: with the Jedi code, he's raised by the Jedi. But
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  Speaker 3: you know, he's what twelve by the time or thirteen
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  Speaker 3: or something like that by the time that the Jedi
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Order becomes extinct.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: And by the time that he meets four of the
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: greatest clones ever created.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so I think that's something that makes this
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: just really interesting. And one of the reasons that makes
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: it interesting is because, yeah, he chooses to have this
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: life and it's a really different thing than most of
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: the other Jedi, and I think it's just it creates
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: a really interesting opportunity. And I kind of wish I
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: think one of the things that I do wish we
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: got to see is just seemed more of this that
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: we had gotten to see, more of the opportunity for
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: you know, Canaan to to have kids and more Jedi
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: to have kids. I just think it would have been
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: really interesting. So but we don't get that, unfortunately, and
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: so you know, it's it's sad that that's the case,
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: but you know, I love it, you know, I just
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: kind of love that we get this one little snippet
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: of this happening, and it does make me wonder, you know,
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: are there other stories to tell like this?
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Well, I definitely think there are. I mean that I
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: will remain convinced even though I accept your arguments that
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: there was at least one Jedi who went the way
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: of trying to be a forced lithario and create as
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: many progeny as possible in order to compensate for the
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: end of the Jedi. It just for some reason it
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: makes sense to me because I think that Order sixty six.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: The opportunity is if they continue to tell stories of
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Jedi impacted by Order sixty six. There are a lot
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: of opportunities because of the fact that a giant traumatic
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: event like that, there are so many different possible emotional
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: reactions to it. And it might even be really interesting
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: to see the story of somebody who doesn't align with
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: the Scyth or the Jedi, but goes completely like Ahsoka
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: winds up walking the true path. What if there is
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: an opposite end of that true path and just being
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: that counterbalancing force to Ahsoka out there because they took
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Mall away from us, so Ahsoka is on the one
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: end of the spectrum I think it'd be really interesting
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: to see somebody on the flip side of that coin
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: who is neither Syth nor Jedi and walks the way
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: that the dark Side tells him to go, the true
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: way of the dark Side, and we therefore find out
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: the shortcomings, like we talked about in the Sith episode,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: we find out the shortcomings of Palpatine Invader and how
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: even they weren't really following the true path of the
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: dark Side because they were exerting their own will you know,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: because because we know about the world between worlds, we
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: know that there is a, yes, a completely different plane
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: of existence. In finding the true path for either side
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: involves all of this, all of this stuff. So I
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: don't know, maybe maybe that Lithario Jedi survivor is is
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: the one who's the flip side of the Ahsoka coin
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: who decides to uh try to tip the balance that
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: way or something. I don't know, it's possible, It's I.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Think it just was really interesting the question, and it
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: makes me wonder too, like did did was this one
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: of those things where too many Jedi It's it's not
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: just that, so you know, them trying to save themselves
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: is a big part of this, but that they are
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: maybe they were too entrenched in Jedi dogma to try to,
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: you know, do this, and so I think that's a
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: question as well.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: So I don't know.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: This is a fun question though, and I'm absolutely wondering
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: what the listeners think, John, of whether or not they
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: think that, you know, Jedi should have had tried to
• 25:20
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• 25:23
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• 25:26
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• 25:30
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• 25:34
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• 25:36
  Speaker 3: the places. But John, if people wanted to catch up
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: with you and let you know what they think about this,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: where would they find you?
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Well, gosh, you can find me as Cassel junkie out there,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: or you can find me right here on the network
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: on a show called house Lights with Darren Moser and
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Tristan Riddell, where we talk about the the works of
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: directors and different combinations with lots of wacky results to
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: our conversations. It's a lot of fun and you can
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: also find me. Actually, Matt, let's talk about where they
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: can find you because I make guest appearances over on
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: one of your shows over on TFM, the six oh
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: two Club. But where else can people find you out there?
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can find me all over the place under
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: the name Matt Rushing zero two. You can also find
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: me here on this network doing owlpost talking about every
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: single chapter the Harry Potter series over on the TFM network.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: Got The six oh two Club as well as a
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: lot of shows about Star Trek, and so I hope
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: you'll check all of those out. But John, I think
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: it's I think they're having you know, speed dating over
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: there at the Jedi Temple, So maybe it's time we
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: close these negotiations.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Let me get my tin of altoids and some nice
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: cologne with midichlorians in it, and negotiations are closed.
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