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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 5-28-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 2: Everybody, Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN seven
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Speaker 2: in NIL money. Najari Kennedy is her name, and it's
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Speaker 2: fascinating to see what NIL has done in the college
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Speaker 2: sports space. We continue to observe that to watch that.
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Speaker 2: It's also fascinating to see what it's doing in the
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Speaker 2: sort of broadcasting coaching, the spheres that radiate out from
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Speaker 2: the actual competition in college sport. Right college coaching contracts,
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Speaker 2: changed the conversation around and expanded college football playoff changes
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Speaker 2: and expanded March Madness tournament. All of that changes as
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Speaker 2: these universities, these athletic departments try to figure out how
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Speaker 2: to replace revenue that now they have to share with
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Speaker 2: student athletes so they don't get to hold all of
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Speaker 2: it like they used to. Now it is a paltry sum.
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Speaker 2: It is a small percentage shared, but still the bottom
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Speaker 2: line is the bottom line. And as the bottom line
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Speaker 2: conversations continue, well so does the potential for political intervention
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Speaker 2: and things like that. We're going to get to that
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Speaker 2: on the show today. As a new bipartisan bill has
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Speaker 2: been proposed to quote save college sports. We'll have an
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Speaker 2: update on the men's side of the French Open, a
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Speaker 2: big surprise that a huge upset happened there. Gordy Chiers
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Speaker 2: is going to be in studio with us in about
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Speaker 2: half an hour. We'll keep him till twelve thirty, so
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Speaker 2: a full hour in studio with Gordy Chiasa. Lots to
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Speaker 2: discuss in the NBA playoffs that, of course the up
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Speaker 2: coming NBA Draft as well. Speaking of that draft, well,
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Speaker 2: have an ESPN Draft Insider Jeremy Wu is gonna hang
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Speaker 2: out with us at one o'clock as the Utah Jazz,
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Speaker 2: the Washington Wizards, the teams at the top of the
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Speaker 2: draft start to figure out or finish figuring out would
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Speaker 2: maybe be the more accurate characterization who they're going to
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Speaker 2: pick at the top of the draft.
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Speaker 2: Tater Tots. Someone like a Tater Tots run right now.
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Speaker 2: I had a nice daddy daughter date with my oldest yesterday.
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Speaker 2: We went out and saw the new Star Wars movie,
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Speaker 2: the Mandalorian Versus gro Goo film, which, if you pay
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Speaker 2: any attention to social media, is just like a complete
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Speaker 2: disaster from a revenue standpoint. And people are declaring the
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Speaker 2: Star Wars universe dead and all these things. And I
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Speaker 2: think that somewhere along the way, what we've done with
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Speaker 2: these nerd cultures and like pop culture movie phenomenons, is
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Speaker 2: we've expected that the writing, the directing, everything just be
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Speaker 2: absolutely fantastic, and we've expected what are effectively children's movies
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Speaker 2: to be Oscar worthy. Look, is it the best Star
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Speaker 2: Wars film I've ever seen? Far from Did my seven
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Speaker 2: year old enjoy it?
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Speaker 3: Yes?
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Speaker 2: A little scary in some parts, by the way, So
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Speaker 2: I think that they should have decided that this was
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Speaker 2: going to be a kid's movie or a grown ups movie,
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Speaker 2: and they didn't really.
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Speaker 3: Figure that out.
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Speaker 2: In any case, we did that and then we went
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Speaker 2: and grab some food and tater tots. Man, I'm on
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Speaker 2: you heard about.
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Speaker 3: It on the Sean O'Connell show and they'll hook you up.
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Speaker 4: I gotta chime in a second on Mandorin and Mandorin
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Speaker 4: and Grogu Did you not seen it yet? Okay, but
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Speaker 4: just to your comment about they need to decide whether
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Speaker 4: it's a kids are grown ups movie. It is PG thirteen,
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Speaker 4: so I think they decided it's decidedly four thirteen and older.
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Speaker 3: Sure.
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Speaker 2: I think the issue with the baby Yoda character, the
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Speaker 2: Grogu character is that it's like so adorable that they're
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Speaker 2: gonna love it, that it makes it.
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Speaker 3: Kind of like kid friendly.
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Speaker 2: But then maybe it's not like there are some there's
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Speaker 2: some special effects in there, like some of the creatures
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Speaker 2: are like genuinely very very scary.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're creepy.
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Speaker 4: Looking, and that must be I've just said I think
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Speaker 4: that's probably the PG thirteen element. Well, since it's just
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Speaker 4: PG thirteen, there's still lots of like kid friendly stuff.
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Speaker 3: That's the that's the issue with that thing.
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Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that is like I'm a PG thirteen,
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Speaker 4: thirteen and older truther, Like I grew up when I
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Speaker 4: was eight, nine, ten years old watching those watching movies that,
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Speaker 4: according to the ratings, are two or I should be
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Speaker 4: older to.
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Speaker 2: Remember remember what Titanic did in a PG thirteen movie,
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Speaker 2: right you remember that?
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Speaker 4: Or like and like eighties eighties when PG when it
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Speaker 4: was just PG and R, so PG was like either
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Speaker 4: really family friendly or basically very unfamily family friendly in
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Speaker 4: a lot of ways. So the ratings a lot of
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Speaker 4: fluidity there.
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Speaker 2: But I just I think that that that's probably why
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Speaker 2: it's PG thirteen and not pg's because they are putting
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Speaker 2: some of those things that maybe kids aren't gonna be
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Speaker 2: aren't gonna be so thrilled. Well, I'm not gonna try
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Speaker 2: to turn today's show into anything like, you know, a
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Speaker 2: Star Wars breakdown show.
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Speaker 3: But I think what we're seeing like it though. I
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Speaker 3: enjoyed it just fine.
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Speaker 2: I go to these movies, right, I go to like
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Speaker 2: a Marvel movie to just be entertained. Yeah, I just
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Speaker 2: want to be entertained. It doesn't have to be groundbreaking.
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Speaker 2: I'm not expecting it to be something that's like overly
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Speaker 2: thought provoking. With Star Wars. I want my Star Wars
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Speaker 2: stuff to be to like stir some nostalgia for me. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and this one does, but also doesn't my demand for
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Speaker 2: anything Star Wars related. Basically, I need a lightsaber in there.
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Speaker 2: I need the Force in everything. Spoiler alert, there's a
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Speaker 2: little bit of the Force.
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Speaker 3: Brogu does his thing.
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Speaker 2: There's no lightsabers at all. There's not a lightsaber. There's
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Speaker 2: not a mention of lights for me. I need that
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Speaker 2: in Star Wars. And again, there's probably people out there like,
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Speaker 2: just what are you talking about? And Or's the best
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Speaker 2: Star Wars property? And there's none of that in and Or. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: that's why I disagree with you. I don't think and
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Speaker 2: Or is the best Star Wars property. I think and
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Speaker 2: Or is just like an espionage tale told with Star
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Speaker 2: Wars aesthetics. I don't it's not Star Wars enough for me.
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Speaker 4: I loved season one of and Or. I have yet
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Speaker 4: to finish season two because I just it's been hard
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Speaker 4: for me to get into it as much.
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Speaker 2: And like for me, though, the conversation outside of it's
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Speaker 2: the same thing with pop culture and with entertainment as
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Speaker 2: it is with sports. The conversation outside of sports this
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Speaker 2: time of year gets to be a little bit more fascinating,
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Speaker 2: especially as it pertains to football, to college football. The
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Speaker 2: NFL is also in that category, and I'm paying more
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Speaker 2: attention to the conversations around it.
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Speaker 3: I don't know why. I mean, well, I guess I
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Speaker 3: do know why.
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Speaker 2: The algorithm to me, a lot of this breakdown of
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Speaker 2: the Mandalorian and Grogu and people just being like here's
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Speaker 2: my dissertation on why Disney has killed Star Wars, and
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Speaker 2: it's something that's really fascinating. I had this conversation over
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Speaker 2: the weekend, Memorial Day weekend, hanging out with my wife's
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Speaker 2: best friend's family, and there's this acceptance that change is inevitable,
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Speaker 2: and that progress based on things like the maximum pursuit
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Speaker 2: of profit is inevitable and therefore should be expected. Job
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Speaker 2: loss to AI is inevitable and should just therefore be accepted.
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Speaker 2: And I push back on a lot of these things.
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Speaker 2: And we're seeing it in college football right where it's
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Speaker 2: just like, well, this is all inevitable. The Super League
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Speaker 2: is inevitable, so we should just accept it. It's like,
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Speaker 2: well should we, though, because doing that over and over
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Speaker 2: and over again has kind of got us to where
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Speaker 2: we are now, where you're looking at certain teams, certain conferences,
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Speaker 2: certain coaches, certain players who are not being served by
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Speaker 2: the greater good or being served at all. In the
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Speaker 2: world of college athletics, the student athlete at certain institutions.
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Speaker 2: And I'm not just talking about like D three spots,
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Speaker 2: because you were always going to be the underdog there.
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Speaker 2: I'm talking about there are like power schools including maybe
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Speaker 2: Utah and BYU fitting into this category, Arizona State, Kansas,
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Speaker 2: like some of these teams are being kind of put
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Speaker 2: into the same category where it's like you are just
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Speaker 2: supposed to accept that.
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Speaker 3: You're not as important as you used to be.
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Speaker 2: You're not as important as your peers that have moved
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Speaker 2: on to bigger conferences. You're not going to get the
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Speaker 2: money that they get. You're not going to get the
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Speaker 2: players that they get. There's a really interesting article in
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Speaker 2: the in this Salt Lake Tribune, and Spence referenced it
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Speaker 2: during cross talk yesterday about how Kyle Whittingham and Michigan
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Speaker 2: are recruiting Utah more than any Big ten school has
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Speaker 2: ever recruited Utah. To no surprise, they have greater success
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Speaker 2: than any other Big ten school has ever had recruiting
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Speaker 2: to Utah or recruiting in.
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Speaker 3: The state of Utah.
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Speaker 2: And this sort of like, well, it's inevitable and that's progress,
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Speaker 2: dictates that you were just supposed to accept that, You're
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Speaker 2: just supposed to take it lying down. Certain, you can
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Speaker 2: complain about it, but if you complain too loudly, everyone's
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Speaker 2: just gonna be like, oh, no, you're stupid. If you
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Speaker 2: think there's any other alternative here. And this is kind
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Speaker 2: of what happened with the Star Wars and Disney thing.
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Speaker 2: People are just like, yeah, see, as soon as you
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Speaker 2: turn it over to a corporate entity like that, as
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Speaker 2: soon as it became a Disney thing, all they care
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Speaker 2: about is the bottom line. And so the art and
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Speaker 2: the mastery and the imagination of a Star Wars universe
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Speaker 2: no longer matters in that world, and it's all about profitability.
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Speaker 2: And they were just trying. They realized they hadn't put
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Speaker 2: out a major movie in sin years, so they told
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Speaker 2: Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni. They said, instead of doing
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Speaker 2: another series, another season of this thing that is wildly
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Speaker 2: popular on Disney, plus, you're gonna condense it all into
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Speaker 2: a major motion picture that we can put out because
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Speaker 2: this Starfighter project is taking too long and because Kathleen
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Speaker 2: Kennedy has completely destroyed this universe, timeline whatever. Right, there's
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Speaker 2: this acceptance that's just like, yeah, this is just part
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Speaker 2: of the change. Progress equals the death of these things
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Speaker 2: that we have once held so dear, and don't I
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Speaker 2: don't like that. We just are expected, as college sports
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Speaker 2: fans and sports fans in general, to just kind of
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Speaker 2: roll over and take that. James, you're one of these
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Speaker 2: people who's kind of like, I don't think we should
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Speaker 2: just casually accept that sports betting is going to be
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Speaker 2: the inevitable influence that takes over all of these all
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Speaker 2: of these professional and college sports leagues. Like a lot
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Speaker 2: of people are just kind of like, yeah, man, sports
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Speaker 2: betting's been happening forever. Now it's legal, and so just
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Speaker 2: get on board or get out of the way. And
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Speaker 2: You've been one that's like, well, hold on a minute.
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Speaker 2: I don't know that we should just take that attitude
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Speaker 2: with it. And I respect that because.
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Speaker 3: I I just I don't know.
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Speaker 4: I'm not one that ever was willing to go into
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Speaker 4: that world, I guess, and so I feel like sports
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Speaker 4: can be just as enjoyable, just as intense, without you
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Speaker 4: putting your life savings on the line.
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Speaker 3: I know that's an exaggeration people.
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Speaker 4: I know that not everybody is losing everything when they bet,
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Speaker 4: when they place a bet, but.
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Speaker 3: That's always the argument.
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Speaker 4: It's like, look at European soccer, that's the crowds are
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Speaker 4: intense because everyone has money on the line. I'm like, well,
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Speaker 4: I don't know if that's the only reason why the
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Speaker 4: crowds are so intense. I think it's intense because people
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Speaker 4: just care about it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean if you've gone into a betting slips place
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Speaker 2: in Europe, right, it's exactly what it's the sports book
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Speaker 2: of a casino that is just between a seven and
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Speaker 2: eleven and a bank branch. It's I mean, I imagine
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Speaker 2: it's like it's also like the at horse racing at
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Speaker 2: the race tracks, so they've always had the betting windows, yes,
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Speaker 2: that sort of thing. It's but it's it literally looks
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Speaker 2: like you you're you're walking by and you're like, what
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Speaker 2: is this?
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Speaker 3: Is this a just a branch of a bank and
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Speaker 3: it's not.
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Speaker 2: It's a bet shop, right, And it's exactly what you
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Speaker 2: think it is, right. It's you see exactly the cast
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Speaker 2: of characters that you think you're going to see there.
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Speaker 2: And I've been to these in many different European cities.
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Speaker 2: Now it's just there's like the random there's the James
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Speaker 2: Peterson guy who's just a dude who's like, yeah, I'm
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Speaker 2: gonna come in, I'm gonna put a five pound note
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Speaker 2: on my favorite team whatever, and then there's every once
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Speaker 2: in a while you see someone that looks like they're
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Speaker 2: doing this a really good job of this, and they
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Speaker 2: pull up in like a very fancy car, and then
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Speaker 2: they're the pros and and then a lot of what
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Speaker 2: you see is the guy who's just like, oh, you
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Speaker 2: are addicted to this. This is something that has not
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Speaker 2: been good for your life.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 4: It's a framer in the airport, betting on arrivals and departures.
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Speaker 2: So there's there's this broad spectrum of whether or not
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Speaker 2: things should be accepted. Things should be seen as inevitable,
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Speaker 2: and we should just roll over and neither die with them.
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Speaker 3: We should die on a hill. Like I.
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Speaker 2: I find myself as I age, being a lot more
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Speaker 2: typical of what people think, Like I'm shaking my fist
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Speaker 2: and yelling at the clouds about a lot of these changes,
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Speaker 2: even as the intellectual part of me is just like, well,
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Speaker 2: hold on, this was always going to happen and you
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Speaker 2: needed to get on board with it. I'm still an
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Speaker 2: idealist in some ways where I don't want it to
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Speaker 2: just be like, well, if it makes money, we have
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Speaker 2: to accept it.
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Speaker 3: If it makes dollars it makes sense for everyone. No,
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Speaker 3: it doesn't.
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Speaker 2: We have been conditioned in brain wa in believing that
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Speaker 2: that is the truth, especially in American society. If it
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Speaker 2: yields a greater profit margin, then it is good. Well, no,
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Speaker 2: it's not. Not if it costs ten people their jobs. Okay,
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Speaker 2: not if it removed the ability of ten families to
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Speaker 2: go to bed safe and stable at night. It's not
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Speaker 2: better that your shareholders at your megabank don't have to
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Speaker 2: pay a bunch of mid level analysts anymore because groc
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Speaker 2: can do that for them.
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Speaker 3: Now, it's not better.
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Speaker 2: It's not better that USC is flying to New Jersey
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Speaker 2: to take on Rutgers in conference contests.
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Speaker 3: We know that is not better.
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Speaker 2: And for everyone to just be like, well, yeah, but
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Speaker 2: it makes more money, so that's why we should accept it.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know who's you know who benefits from it
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Speaker 2: more than anyone almost is coaches, because these intense amounts
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Speaker 2: of money coming in translate to coaches salaries more than
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Speaker 2: they try translate to anything else, huge, huge dollar amounts
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Speaker 2: of these coaches salaries, and even they find reasons to
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Speaker 2: complain about it. Even they point out and just say, man,
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Speaker 2: this actually really sucks. We don't actually like this. And
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Speaker 2: they're cashing twelve million dollars a year in salary, and
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Speaker 2: they're still like, this was not better for college football,
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Speaker 2: was it? Mike Elko at the SEC meetings that said,
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Speaker 2: you know what, you know why everyone's saying yes to
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Speaker 2: twenty four team college football playoff not because it's better
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Speaker 2: for the sports, because it's better for us as individuals.
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Speaker 2: I want twenty four teams because then I won't get fired.
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Speaker 2: He knows it's not better for the sport. They all
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Speaker 2: know it's not better for the sport. It doesn't make
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Speaker 2: for a more interesting regular season. It doesn't make for
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Speaker 2: a more interesting playoff. Really, maybe in some cases it does.
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Speaker 3: But a coach.
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Speaker 2: Feels like, unless you're at one of these like crazy
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Speaker 2: demanding blue bloods, if you're at USC, or you're at Oregon,
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Speaker 2: or you're at Ohio State or you're at Alabama, you
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Speaker 2: could make a college football playoff and they'll still fire
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Speaker 2: you if you don't get far enough in that college
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Speaker 2: football playoff.
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Speaker 3: But for remember how we.
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Speaker 2: Went through yesterday and we said there were eighty teams
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Speaker 2: that would have participated. Like, if you're at Utah and
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Speaker 2: you make a college football playoff every other year, you
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Speaker 2: have a job for twenty one years.
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Speaker 3: If you want.
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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, think about the obvious comparison is the
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Speaker 4: mid major coach or the not as high a prestige
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Speaker 4: power for major college basketball coach. Right, they can say, Okay,
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Speaker 4: you never made a Final four, but they can say
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Speaker 4: I went to the tournament sixteen times.
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Speaker 2: If you're at Utah State and you make the tournament
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Speaker 2: every other year, you are never going to get fired.
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Speaker 3: No chance.
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Speaker 2: If you're at Arizona State as a basketball coach and
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Speaker 2: you make the NCAA Tournament every other year, you.
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Speaker 4: Lose every in the first round, first or second round a.
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Speaker 2: Tournament coach, right, I mean it used to be at
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Speaker 2: the University of Utah that if you didn't make it
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Speaker 2: far enough in the NCAA tournament, people were gonna start
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Speaker 2: looking at you with a side I now just make
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Speaker 2: it now. If Alex Jensen makes this team a tournament
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Speaker 2: team every year and they lose in the first round,
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Speaker 2: first round, first round, Oh we got to the second round,
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Speaker 2: back to the first round. Oh we missed next year,
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Speaker 2: and I mean we're whoa sweet sixteen. He's pushing You
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Speaker 2: can push into decades of coaching if you check that box.
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Speaker 3: And Mike Elka was the only guy.
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Speaker 2: At SEC media days to say it, he said, it's
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Speaker 2: not better for the sport, but it's better for us
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Speaker 2: as individuals. If I'm a college football playoff coach, my
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Speaker 2: agent that gets to go to the school and say,
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Speaker 2: remember how we put that in the contract, there's a
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Speaker 2: bonus there and that job security stuff that we talked about.
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Speaker 3: As long as you make.
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Speaker 2: This twenty fourteen playoff, there's not a lot of schools
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Speaker 2: that are going to be like, well, you have to
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Speaker 2: make it into the third round of that playoff.
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Speaker 3: You gotta make it.
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Speaker 4: A semi final.
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Speaker 3: Yet in the college football Final four, we gotta Yeah,
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Speaker 3: you gotta be a final fours.
20:14
Speaker 2: I mean, there are some schools that are like that,
20:15
Speaker 2: but those schools are always going to be like that
20:17
Speaker 2: no matter how big.
20:18
Speaker 3: The college football playoff is.
20:20
Speaker 2: So this, this acceptance of all things that come with
20:24
Speaker 2: more revenue as positive changes is something that is forced
20:29
Speaker 2: upon fans, is shoved down the throat of fans, and weirdly,
20:35
Speaker 2: because I think largely because of social media and how
20:38
Speaker 2: ubiquitous the conversation of experts is in our lives, we
20:41
Speaker 2: can see that that thirty second quote on our TikTok
20:45
Speaker 2: on our Instagram, on our Facebook, on our Twitter, and
20:48
Speaker 2: we can say yep, that's now. My opinion, people just
20:51
Speaker 2: get lost in this like if it's if it's making
20:54
Speaker 2: more money, it's progress for the sport.
20:56
Speaker 3: And I'm not a political guy.
21:00
Speaker 2: I don't like the political circus, the performative nature of
21:03
Speaker 2: where we're at right now with Republican Democrat stuff. But
21:07
Speaker 2: there is a bipartisan bill put together now after months
21:12
Speaker 2: and months of conversation. They call it the Save College
21:16
Speaker 2: Sports Act, and there's a several different things.
21:19
Speaker 3: It's a group of US Senators.
21:21
Speaker 2: Ted Cruz is the biggest name on there, Maria Cantwell,
21:26
Speaker 2: who's a Democrat.
21:28
Speaker 3: They've reached across the aisle. They have joined hands and they.
21:31
Speaker 2: Are talking about protecting college sports with this act that
21:34
Speaker 2: would provide the NCAA with an anti trust exemption so
21:37
Speaker 2: they can enforce several rules that have been challenged in
21:41
Speaker 2: recent years. And those challenges have been important because those
21:44
Speaker 2: challenges in a lot of cases have been won and
21:47
Speaker 2: have created legal precedent for things like unfettered open transfer.
21:53
Speaker 2: This would create an anti trust exemption to where your
21:57
Speaker 2: lawyer has to find a different hill to die on
22:00
Speaker 2: a different bone. To pick with the rules because a
22:05
Speaker 2: lot of the reasons that these battles have been won legally,
22:07
Speaker 2: to my understanding, is because they're like, well, this is
22:12
Speaker 2: an illegal labor practice that only exists because of this
22:15
Speaker 2: monopoly that the NCAA has this anti trust exemption. Would
22:20
Speaker 2: say it's a monopoly, because it has to be a monopoly.
22:24
Speaker 2: This is all the colleges working together and trying to
22:26
Speaker 2: come to an agreement on a system that would work.
22:30
Speaker 2: We've heard this several times before. One time transfer with
22:34
Speaker 2: some rare exceptions. One time transfer, the next time you
22:37
Speaker 2: have to sit out and there's a penalty. I have
22:39
Speaker 2: pushed for this, I have advocated for this. I think
22:41
Speaker 2: it is the happy medium where if you're a college
22:44
Speaker 2: player and you're someone trying to climb the ladder, you say,
22:47
Speaker 2: you know what, I'd served my one year, my two
22:50
Speaker 2: years of prove it time at Utah State, at Weber State,
22:54
Speaker 2: at Colorado State, and now there's a big payday waiting
22:58
Speaker 2: for me because I have proven myself at this level.
23:00
Speaker 3: I'm going to transfer.
23:02
Speaker 2: After a significant amount of thought, I'm going to transfer
23:05
Speaker 2: to this bigger school. I'm going to do this in
23:08
Speaker 2: order to get myself into a better situation, and the
23:11
Speaker 2: NCAA and the conference and the school say that's fine,
23:14
Speaker 2: we wish you well. This is happening one time, so
23:17
Speaker 2: you better make sure that you're happy with the coaching staff,
23:21
Speaker 2: the NIL arrangement, the facilities, the academic programs, whatever, because
23:26
Speaker 2: the next time you want to transfer, you are going
23:28
Speaker 2: to have to sit. The exception to this is again
23:32
Speaker 2: one that feels very common sense. If a coach gets
23:36
Speaker 2: fired or a coach leaves for a new position, and
23:39
Speaker 2: you have been committed to play for that coach, now
23:42
Speaker 2: you get another exemption. If I use my one time
23:46
Speaker 2: transfer to go to the University of Utah in twenty
23:50
Speaker 2: twenty five, and the next year I want to play
23:52
Speaker 2: for Kyle Whittingham, And the next year Kyle Whittingham is
23:54
Speaker 2: at Michigan, and I decide I don't want to stay
23:57
Speaker 2: and play for Morgan Scalley. I given an opportunity to
24:01
Speaker 2: go back into the transfer portal and to transfer penalty free.
24:06
Speaker 3: This is.
24:08
Speaker 2: Again a very intuitive response to the obvious question that's coming.
24:12
Speaker 3: Like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa? Why do I have to
24:14
Speaker 3: go work for the boss that I didn't choose?
24:16
Speaker 2: In the first place, Why do I have to go
24:18
Speaker 2: play for the coach that I didn't choose to play
24:21
Speaker 2: for in the first place.
24:22
Speaker 3: I committed to play for this staff or this person.
24:26
Speaker 3: I don't want to play there.
24:26
Speaker 2: If that person's not there, Okay, fine, you're back in
24:29
Speaker 2: the transfer portal. So you still would have a transfer portal.
24:32
Speaker 3: You would not have.
24:33
Speaker 2: Three thousand players at a time in the transfer portal
24:36
Speaker 2: because it's you're burning an asset that you only have
24:40
Speaker 2: one of. You're treating it as an individual, as a
24:44
Speaker 2: college sports participant like teams treat their first round draft picks.
24:50
Speaker 2: This is a very very careful decision making process we
24:54
Speaker 2: have to go through because I don't get a mulligan here.
24:58
Speaker 2: So that's the number one thing that the antitrust exemption
25:01
Speaker 2: in this Save College Sports Bill would grant as a
25:04
Speaker 2: new and.
25:05
Speaker 3: More importantly enforceable rule.
25:09
Speaker 2: It is going with the recent trend of a five
25:12
Speaker 2: year to play five a maximum five year plan age
25:15
Speaker 2: based again the same loopholes and strictures that we talked about,
25:20
Speaker 2: religious service, military service, maternity leave covered here. Former professional athletes,
25:26
Speaker 2: this one is big for basketball more than for football.
25:29
Speaker 2: Former professional athletes flat out forbidden to play college sports.
25:36
Speaker 2: You can't bring the European guy over. You can't bring
25:39
Speaker 2: the G League guy back down to NCAA basketball. Interestingly enough, here,
25:45
Speaker 2: and this might be the thing that stops it from
25:47
Speaker 2: going through, schools would be prohibited from poaching a coach
25:52
Speaker 2: from another school during the season, so the coaching carousel
25:57
Speaker 2: would only open after the season was done.
26:00
Speaker 3: The Lane Kiffin rule.
26:02
Speaker 4: You have to have your season over before you can
26:05
Speaker 4: be poached. Now, is this your regular season or you're
26:09
Speaker 4: like the whole season? It just says the season now.
26:13
Speaker 4: I'm I'm guessing it's the Lane Kiffen thing. Might still
26:17
Speaker 4: happen then, because they'll just wait that. I'm guessing it'll
26:19
Speaker 4: be regular season because postseason's not guaranteed.
26:23
Speaker 2: The bill continues and talks about an enforceable salary cap,
26:26
Speaker 2: which I mean, we've already tried to put that in
26:30
Speaker 2: place with the revenue share, but it's not enforceable. Interestingly enough,
26:35
Speaker 2: this bill leaves the College Sports Commission in place as
26:40
Speaker 2: the entity of enforcement and power, saying that they are
26:44
Speaker 2: still going to go through their process of review and
26:47
Speaker 2: decide whether or not teams and universities are just doing
26:51
Speaker 2: a pay for play situation here? Or this is an
26:53
Speaker 2: actual legitimate business reason for the nil contract to come through.
26:59
Speaker 2: The thing that I suffer with or I struggle with
27:01
Speaker 2: here is you know how easy it is to make
27:06
Speaker 2: it look like a legitimate business reason instead of just
27:08
Speaker 2: a bag of cash.
27:11
Speaker 3: It's it's like the easiest thing to do. Why don't
27:14
Speaker 3: Why doesn't everyone do it?
27:16
Speaker 2: Why don't you find the car dealership in Salt Lake City?
27:19
Speaker 2: Why don't you find the sports bar in Provo? Bad example?
27:23
Speaker 2: Why why don't you strap tank?
27:26
Speaker 3: Shout out? Why don't you?
27:28
Speaker 2: Why don't you go to like the local burger joint
27:31
Speaker 2: and you just say, hey, I need one hour?
27:34
Speaker 4: Why don't you go to the ice cream parlor in
27:36
Speaker 4: p and Provo?
27:37
Speaker 5: Maybe?
27:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, creamery? Shout out to you, Graham Canyon. It's an
27:43
Speaker 2: excellent ice cream.
27:44
Speaker 3: Yeah. You go to the place and you say, I
27:46
Speaker 3: need one hour.
27:47
Speaker 2: We're gonna bring in a student group that's got cameras
27:50
Speaker 2: and microphones, and we're gonna film endorsement commercials with everyone
27:54
Speaker 2: we want to pay. And you tell the athletes, I
27:59
Speaker 2: need one hour of your time. I need you to
28:01
Speaker 2: show up at the creamery for one hour. I need
28:04
Speaker 2: you to eat, eat a cougartail and smile about it,
28:08
Speaker 2: and we're gonna put you in the commercial sign you
28:13
Speaker 2: sign run throughout the college sports season. We're gonna you're
28:15
Speaker 2: gonna sign a document that says your name, image and likeness.
28:19
Speaker 3: Where does that come from? That's what it's supposed to
28:21
Speaker 3: be for.
28:23
Speaker 2: Is licensed out to the creamery for this commercial, and
28:27
Speaker 2: we're gonna give you an absurdly out of proportion.
28:30
Speaker 3: Endorsement contract for that, you cool.
28:33
Speaker 2: Kid, And then the college Sports Commission has no leg
28:38
Speaker 2: to stand on because what are they gonna say? That's
28:40
Speaker 2: not market value? And then the creamery can be like, no,
28:42
Speaker 2: that's what I wanted to pay for it.
28:45
Speaker 3: Done. Done. I know it's two.
28:48
Speaker 2: Extra steps, but the fact that schools and collectives and
28:53
Speaker 2: athletes and universities are not demanding that everyone who receives
28:58
Speaker 2: money from them it goes through these two extra steps
29:01
Speaker 2: is already just absurd.
29:02
Speaker 3: It's just ridiculous.
29:04
Speaker 4: It's like I said, what last week week before, when
29:06
Speaker 4: I said, like, can we just not get to a
29:09
Speaker 4: point where everyone agrees that there should be some that
29:15
Speaker 4: there should be some enforcement so that this is not
29:20
Speaker 4: just straight pay for play, that this actually should be
29:25
Speaker 4: what true name, image and likeness endorsements are. Like the
29:31
Speaker 4: why do we have to push back on everything? That's
29:34
Speaker 4: just trying that's just trying to enforce the purity the
29:40
Speaker 4: ideal of what that's supposed to be. It doesn't make
29:43
Speaker 4: much sense other than the Big Ten and the SEC
29:46
Speaker 4: and the Cody Campbell's of the world just trying to
29:48
Speaker 4: flex their muscles and say.
29:50
Speaker 3: We're bigger than you and you gotta deal with it.
29:53
Speaker 4: Like, just just let the enforcement happen.
29:55
Speaker 2: And here's where this next clause in the bill, and
29:59
Speaker 2: it'll be the last thing before we get the Gordy CHASEA.
30:01
Speaker 2: This next thing proposal put in the bill is where
30:04
Speaker 2: it gets most interesting because part of it, the Protect
30:07
Speaker 2: College Sports Act, is looking to resolve some of the
30:11
Speaker 2: television deal disparity by allowing all FBS schools to ban
30:18
Speaker 2: together and negotiate television contracts as an entire body. As
30:23
Speaker 2: long as it's seventy five percent of the FBS schools
30:27
Speaker 2: agreeing to whatever that is, then everybody could benefit from
30:31
Speaker 2: the shared media rights. So it's not just the SEC,
30:35
Speaker 2: it's not just the Big Ten. Everyone in FBS would
30:38
Speaker 2: be able to share their media rights. This is where
30:42
Speaker 2: we get a little pie in the sky. This is
30:44
Speaker 2: where this becomes more performative politics. I love that you
30:49
Speaker 2: put this in here, but there's absolutely no way on
30:53
Speaker 2: this green earth that the SEC and the Big ten
30:57
Speaker 2: are gonna say, oh cool, we get to we get
31:00
Speaker 2: to include the big twelve teams in this and they
31:03
Speaker 2: get an equal share of this new deal that we're
31:06
Speaker 2: gonna do.
31:06
Speaker 4: Colorado State gets a piece of our money. Absolutely.
31:11
Speaker 2: That's where this becomes a little bit like, hey, we
31:13
Speaker 2: want everybody Ted Cruz is up there going we want
31:17
Speaker 2: everybody to take a piece, and the Big ten in
31:20
Speaker 2: the SEC is like, but but but but you didn't
31:22
Speaker 2: ask us about that part. Yeah, by all means, we'll
31:26
Speaker 2: get on board with like calming down these waters and
31:30
Speaker 2: even abiding by a real salary cap if we have to.
31:33
Speaker 3: But what are you talking about?
31:34
Speaker 2: We got to share even revenue distribution with BYU and Utah.
31:39
Speaker 3: Uh uh. I'm Michigan, I'm Ohio State.
31:42
Speaker 2: Why why am I telling Kansas State in a handshake
31:46
Speaker 2: deal that I will also give you I'll take sixty
31:50
Speaker 2: million this year instead of seventy five, so that you
31:53
Speaker 2: could also have sixty million.
31:55
Speaker 3: No way is that going.
31:56
Speaker 1: To go through.
32:00
Speaker 2: I'll dive into some more of these clauses. There's some
32:02
Speaker 2: other things in there, like a proposed cap on the
32:05
Speaker 2: percentage agents would be able to charge student athletes and
32:09
Speaker 2: their families. They would have to be like you have
32:12
Speaker 2: to be in NFL football, NBA basketball, Major League Baseball,
32:18
Speaker 2: you have to be a registered agent with that governing
32:21
Speaker 2: body in order to represent anybody that is participating.
32:26
Speaker 3: That's something that's in here. We'll get to that later
32:29
Speaker 3: on the show.
32:30
Speaker 2: But right now we got to take a break because
32:31
Speaker 2: Gordona Chiasa has joined us in studio. We've got a
32:34
Speaker 2: lot to talk about in these NBA playoffs and beyond.
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Speaker 5: Peace Out.
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Speaker 1: Let's get the latest. I'll make Utah Jazz with former
32:55
Speaker 1: Jazz assistant coach Gordon Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
32:59
Speaker 1: NBA than any of us will ever know.
33:01
Speaker 5: Let's not get crazy.
33:02
Speaker 1: Come for the hoops talk. Stay for his list of
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Speaker 1: the day.
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Speaker 5: Our list today, here's oh C.
33:07
Speaker 1: With basketball sabb on Gordy Chiasa on the Sean O'Connell Show.
33:14
Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
33:16
Speaker 2: Welcome in our resident NBA guru and my good friend
33:19
Speaker 2: Gordy Chiasa, who's here with us in studio today.
33:23
Speaker 3: Gordy, how are you?
33:25
Speaker 5: I am doing fine? Thank you?
33:27
Speaker 3: Gordy. You're you're rocking?
33:28
Speaker 5: Are you?
33:29
Speaker 3: Are you?
33:29
Speaker 2: Are you a closet ABS fan? You're rocking the Colorado
33:32
Speaker 2: shirt today?
33:33
Speaker 5: Unfortunately I am. They lost four zero in his sweep,
33:37
Speaker 5: so that is a concern. But I do like the Avalanche.
33:40
Speaker 5: I do actually like hockey in general, including also the
33:44
Speaker 5: the obviosite in the moments. Yet today I know a
33:46
Speaker 5: lot of crazy Canadians showing. And so the last time
33:50
Speaker 5: a Canadian team won the Stanley Cup was nineteen ninety three. Yeah,
33:55
Speaker 5: that's how crazy it is, crazy ninety three.
33:58
Speaker 2: It's a wild thing to think that the national sport
34:02
Speaker 2: of Canada, none of their professional franchises have been able
34:05
Speaker 2: to hoist the cup. Of course, a lot of Canadians
34:07
Speaker 2: populate the American franchises that have had success right in
34:11
Speaker 2: those years. But yeah, until we have to defend the
34:15
Speaker 2: gold medal. Canada is now America. Excuse me, hockey is
34:19
Speaker 2: now America sport because we're the gold medalist right now,
34:22
Speaker 2: Yes we are till the next Olympic.
34:23
Speaker 5: Now was exciting and also just as exciting Searan Olympics
34:26
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty eight in la which is going to
34:29
Speaker 5: be fantastic for every sport. To say the least is
34:33
Speaker 5: possibly that gold medal game between USA versus France. So
34:39
Speaker 5: Victor went Byamba and the fella remember the last time
34:42
Speaker 5: with the reference point, it took it every ounce of
34:44
Speaker 5: Steph Curry's brilliance where he went unconsciously those three point
34:49
Speaker 5: shots that held off the French rally. And that's how
34:54
Speaker 5: close it is right now with the French team and
34:59
Speaker 5: also at the USA and obviously French team we're alluding
35:02
Speaker 5: to right now talking about Victor wen Biamba, who's a
35:06
Speaker 5: generational talent.
35:10
Speaker 2: Victor wenbin Yama the other night took as close to
35:14
Speaker 2: a heel turn as we've seen since he threw the
35:17
Speaker 2: elbow right miss skip. The media allegedly may or may
35:21
Speaker 2: not have whispered a little hey go get that guy
35:24
Speaker 2: command to his teammates Bismack Biambo and Mason Plumb. We
35:30
Speaker 2: both went out on the floor and through some hard fouls.
35:33
Speaker 2: After a brief conversation with Victor Wembinyama, And of course
35:37
Speaker 2: I like to be conspiratorial. I enjoy yesh, I enjoy
35:41
Speaker 2: like the who did Victor just order the hit? When
35:43
Speaker 2: you saw how that whole scenario played out, what were
35:46
Speaker 2: your thoughts?
35:47
Speaker 5: Same thing also is that you need somebody on your
35:50
Speaker 5: team at that moment to back you up by taking
35:54
Speaker 5: a hard message foul during the game, or maybe some
35:58
Speaker 5: of your teammates who come in the game that they're
36:01
Speaker 5: more physical and they also commit again smart fouls that
36:08
Speaker 5: are hard. But it's a basketball play, meaning why you
36:12
Speaker 5: make you make a play on the ball, And that's
36:15
Speaker 5: an interpretation of it. You got to protect your your
36:17
Speaker 5: star players. And yester year in playoff basketball, it was
36:22
Speaker 5: incredible how there were so many fouls. So for example,
36:28
Speaker 5: the Knickerbockers, they had a cast of characters, say the
36:31
Speaker 5: least Charles Oakley would commit hard, smart fouls, so with
36:36
Speaker 5: Anthony Mason and for the Portland Trailblazers, it would be
36:40
Speaker 5: Buck Williams committing a lot of smart fouls. And in
36:45
Speaker 5: jazz basketball he did it for himself. Was cal Malone
36:49
Speaker 5: was that he used to tell me in playoff games,
36:52
Speaker 5: before they hit me and take my head off, I'm
36:55
Speaker 5: gonna take un hit them first. And so Carl was
36:58
Speaker 5: his only enforcer, and I was absolutely critical. So again
37:02
Speaker 5: I'm not saying playing dirty. I'm not saying that. All
37:05
Speaker 5: I'm saying, within the context of the rules, you've got
37:08
Speaker 5: to be able to protect your star teammate, especially like
37:11
Speaker 5: Wen Beyond. He's way beyond just a star player. He's
37:14
Speaker 5: a generational talent. He's a franchise difference maker. He makes
37:19
Speaker 5: everyone around him in the San Antonio's building, Sean, including
37:23
Speaker 5: those nuns that are lobbying for more tickets. Sean. Do
37:29
Speaker 5: not mess with the nuns.
37:30
Speaker 3: Don't mess with the nuns.
37:31
Speaker 5: Do not.
37:32
Speaker 3: I was not educated by nuns the way that Gordy.
37:35
Speaker 5: Oh, why absolutely, Sean, I don't. I have so many stories.
37:39
Speaker 5: You see these old movies back in nineteen sixties, seventy
37:42
Speaker 5: eighties and nineties. It's all true, plus more, all true,
37:46
Speaker 5: plus more with the nuns. Do not mess with them.
37:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was not educated by private school nuns like Gordy.
37:53
Speaker 2: But I did work with nuns in my young adulthood
37:56
Speaker 2: when I was doing some volunteer stuff in Africa, and
38:00
Speaker 2: they are It's a special group of people.
38:02
Speaker 3: They don't mess around though.
38:04
Speaker 5: They don't mess around, so Sewan. One times at a
38:06
Speaker 5: Giant football game, Sean, this is a scenario. I was
38:10
Speaker 5: sitting behind nuns. Ready at the giant football game with
38:13
Speaker 5: my young children at that time. Ready, this is the game, Sean.
38:18
Speaker 5: It never happened forever where the Minnesota vite. In this game, Sean,
38:23
Speaker 5: there was a touchdown, a rushing touchdown, a passing touchdown,
38:28
Speaker 5: a putt return touchdown, a kickoff return touchdown, a fumble return,
38:33
Speaker 5: and overtime touchdown. And these crazy Giant fans were screaming
38:38
Speaker 5: at the Vikings who are making these plays where the
38:41
Speaker 5: Giants are winning the game, the vite showing everything could happen.
38:45
Speaker 5: A touchdown happened, and behind me was these nuns. So
38:48
Speaker 5: every time the crazy Giant fans would start saying very
38:51
Speaker 5: bad words against the goal, against the against the giant,
38:55
Speaker 5: if you know what I mean, Sean, they blessed themselves
38:58
Speaker 5: and say, sister, I'm sorry for my language, Sean. Right
39:03
Speaker 5: behind me with my young two boys, I was explaining
39:07
Speaker 5: to them, oh, they really don't mean what they're saying.
39:09
Speaker 5: These people, you know what I mean, Sean, look it up, Sean,
39:12
Speaker 5: the tough Viking Giant football game, Sean from a recovery,
39:18
Speaker 5: black punt recovery. So my doing justice. Everything could happen
39:22
Speaker 5: that happened negative against the Giants. They it all happened.
39:26
Speaker 5: They all happened this game overtime. Vikings One that was.
39:30
Speaker 2: Once walking down a busy urban street with a sister,
39:35
Speaker 2: Maria Mazzone.
39:36
Speaker 5: Oh, I love these names, right, so true.
39:39
Speaker 2: From Ruvo Depulia in the Old Country, Italy. All right, yeah, uh,
39:43
Speaker 2: and we're walking in a pretty tough part of town.
39:45
Speaker 2: We're going to buy some construction supplies. Okay, We're walking
39:48
Speaker 2: in a pretty tough part of town. And there's all
39:50
Speaker 2: these street vendors. They have their wares laid out on
39:53
Speaker 2: the on the sidewalks and on the street, right, and
39:56
Speaker 2: it's a it's a dicey type of type of area
39:59
Speaker 2: in but respect given to the people who are of
40:04
Speaker 2: the cloth, right, So a lot of folks deferential towards system.
40:08
Speaker 3: Maria.
40:08
Speaker 2: Well, there's a certain couple of guys on this street
40:12
Speaker 2: that they were selling bootleg DVDs, right, and not all
40:16
Speaker 2: their bootleg DVDs were exactly family friendly entertainment, if you
40:19
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Yes, and they've got all their
40:21
Speaker 2: stuff laid out on the sidewalk, and Gordy, I'm not
40:27
Speaker 2: I'm not exaggerating at all. When this five foot four
40:30
Speaker 2: inch tiny little Italian lady just went through their display,
40:35
Speaker 2: saw the kind of stuff and kicked it all over
40:38
Speaker 2: the sidewalk.
40:39
Speaker 3: Shame on you, shame, this is a shame and kicked
40:43
Speaker 3: it all over the sidewalk. And they were just like, oh, sister, no,
40:46
Speaker 3: what are you doing?
40:48
Speaker 2: But not a single word, like, not an angry word
40:51
Speaker 2: from them, more like, oh please, don't do that. Anybody
40:55
Speaker 2: else does something like that, it's gonna be a problem.
40:57
Speaker 2: There's gonna be violence.
40:59
Speaker 3: System.
40:59
Speaker 2: Maria, she goes kicking and walking and stomping and shames
41:03
Speaker 2: them all, and they're just like, oh sorry, sister, Please, sister,
41:06
Speaker 2: we're just trying to make a living.
41:07
Speaker 3: They nuns.
41:09
Speaker 2: They have a special special place in not only my heart,
41:12
Speaker 2: but in society in general.
41:13
Speaker 5: Very much.
41:14
Speaker 4: So.
41:14
Speaker 5: Show we're alluding to right now for the listeners is
41:17
Speaker 5: that the Senator Tony Spurs had these four nuns that
41:21
Speaker 5: were cheering for the Spurs, and they're in they're wearing
41:25
Speaker 5: Spurs like uh jerseys and stuff and uh clothing with
41:30
Speaker 5: the over the over, the habit and the Spurs. You
41:33
Speaker 5: can't make this out. So it's perfect television. I mean,
41:35
Speaker 5: this is this is something that every TV producer dreams about,
41:39
Speaker 5: where it's natural, it's not like stage. And so the
41:42
Speaker 5: nuns were cheering, you know, et cetera. And the Spurs
41:46
Speaker 5: gave the nuns now four more tickets for the for
41:49
Speaker 5: the for the rectory, for the for the nunnery. And
41:52
Speaker 5: so now they should be eight nuns. I'm not sort
41:54
Speaker 5: of sitting together, but they're gonna cheer for the for
41:58
Speaker 5: the the Spurs, and it's it's made for television, no
42:01
Speaker 5: doubt about it. Now besides the Nuns, they're praying for
42:04
Speaker 5: the Spurs. The Spurs. Also getting back to true basketball
42:07
Speaker 5: is that they got to protect Victor wen Beyonmba. But
42:10
Speaker 5: Victor also has to do a better job of trying
42:13
Speaker 5: to get free, so Sean. The defense of the Thunders
42:17
Speaker 5: physical led by Isaiah Hartenstein. So his Hartenstein, who's again
42:22
Speaker 5: he has slowed down Victor wen Beyonmba, not outplayed him,
42:26
Speaker 5: just slowed him down. So in game one, Hartenstein plays
42:30
Speaker 5: twelve minutes, in game two he plays twenty seven, and
42:33
Speaker 5: game three he plays twenty one, and game four he
42:35
Speaker 5: plays eighteen. And now in game five he scores. He
42:39
Speaker 5: plays a pummy thirty one minutes. So in this series
42:42
Speaker 5: he's averaging eight point two points per game, but nine
42:45
Speaker 5: rebounds in only twenty one point eight minutes. And he
42:49
Speaker 5: has that Sean. He has that funky ten foot push
42:52
Speaker 5: shot very similar to Yaka Pertl former Utah player that
42:56
Speaker 5: plays for the Raptors, and when Beyonmber is a slow
43:00
Speaker 5: to react to it, so he's making this shot that's unorthodox.
43:04
Speaker 5: But it goes in his last point about Victor ren Beyond.
43:07
Speaker 5: But versus Isaiah Hartenstein is that last game in game five,
43:12
Speaker 5: which is a huge concern. Victory ren Beyond had his
43:16
Speaker 5: lower his lowest point total in the paint all season,
43:21
Speaker 5: not the playoffs, the other all the other games regular
43:23
Speaker 5: season at least got eight points in the paint. So
43:26
Speaker 5: how do you get free with Victor? If I was
43:28
Speaker 5: counseling him, I would do this is that I'd be
43:31
Speaker 5: a screener instead of starting high, showing above the foul
43:35
Speaker 5: line area, I would start all the time low and
43:38
Speaker 5: get a running start. I backscreen for some teammate to
43:42
Speaker 5: get the to make the player guarding me Hartenstein have
43:46
Speaker 5: to make us a pause. Do I switch out or
43:48
Speaker 5: do I stay in my body? And the second part
43:50
Speaker 5: of that we we call this a double whammy screen
43:55
Speaker 5: was when Ice shown Ice screened for you to get
43:57
Speaker 5: me to get myself free as a screener, but then
44:00
Speaker 5: James Peterson screams for the guy who's still on my
44:03
Speaker 5: body whether they switched or not. So we call a
44:06
Speaker 5: w wamby screen to now make a clean catch above
44:11
Speaker 5: the foul line extended, so I could be in operational
44:14
Speaker 5: mode versus what trying to slug it out all the
44:17
Speaker 5: time because a mono a motto numbers on numbers, bodies
44:22
Speaker 5: on bodies, showing bone on bone. It's not working right now,
44:25
Speaker 5: so screen to get yourself free.
44:28
Speaker 2: The disappearance postgame not doing the media for Victor Wimbenyama,
44:34
Speaker 2: the guys have been fine for this.
44:36
Speaker 3: He was given a warning.
44:39
Speaker 2: We saw this in the NHL playoffs, by the way,
44:41
Speaker 2: when the Vegas Golden Knights just shirked their media responsibilities.
44:46
Speaker 2: And you know, Victor Wimbenyam is a guy that, for
44:49
Speaker 2: better or worse, the media wants to talk to you
44:52
Speaker 2: every single game of your career.
44:55
Speaker 3: What do you make of him not being available?
44:58
Speaker 5: Young person age twenty two, He's absolutely frustrated. He didn't
45:02
Speaker 5: play well. He had a temporary abnetia and the NBM
45:06
Speaker 5: show they gave him a warning. It might have been
45:08
Speaker 5: a fine behind closed doors. It's a chump change, to
45:11
Speaker 5: say the least, and he'll be ready for it next time.
45:14
Speaker 5: So you can't do that. I remember a long long
45:16
Speaker 5: time ago. Is that call? It very similar to call
45:19
Speaker 5: him alone? Is that sometimes he didn't want to talk
45:22
Speaker 5: to the media. One time he did in the national
45:24
Speaker 5: television game on NBC Sports the NBA find him, did you?
45:28
Speaker 5: Has paid the fine as a matter of fact, which,
45:30
Speaker 5: again it's a small change to say the least. Call
45:34
Speaker 5: learned from that. The rest is history. But Sean, there's
45:37
Speaker 5: no definitely great Popovich. When he had the sideline stuff
45:40
Speaker 5: on the sideline during the game, when the reporter actually
45:44
Speaker 5: really a quick question, he gave what a one word comment? Yeah, Sean,
45:49
Speaker 5: one word.
45:49
Speaker 2: Never was a fan of that from Popovich? From Bill Belichick.
45:56
Speaker 2: For players, it's a little bit more understandable, right, Coaches,
46:00
Speaker 2: your whole job is that right, Your whole job is
46:04
Speaker 2: being the face, being the mouthpiece, being the voice. In
46:08
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, players, I get it, You're not
46:11
Speaker 2: all of them are exactly well smoken. Not all of
46:13
Speaker 2: them are eloquent, not all of them are quick on
46:15
Speaker 2: their feet with the speech. So it could be intimidating,
46:19
Speaker 2: it could be discouraging, it could be just annoying.
46:22
Speaker 3: Coaches, though, like your job is to talk. You're a teacher,
46:25
Speaker 3: you got it. Like you have to.
46:28
Speaker 2: You have to earn your part of the contract, or
46:30
Speaker 2: you're that piece of your contract by at least giving
46:34
Speaker 2: some few words to the media.
46:37
Speaker 5: Also, by the way, economics of it, the TV partners
46:41
Speaker 5: want to hear what's going inside. I'm not saying give
46:43
Speaker 5: you most close secrets about strategy. I'm not saying that.
46:48
Speaker 5: But if you pay billions of dollars, you have the
46:50
Speaker 5: right to ask the coaches to give a give a
46:54
Speaker 5: an answer to a question. And by the way, it's
46:58
Speaker 5: only bet the most evidens about a minute, minute and
47:00
Speaker 5: twenty seconds, that's like the most. And it's all part
47:03
Speaker 5: of a digital world we live in. This is all
47:06
Speaker 5: part of it. This is it. There's no turning back.
47:08
Speaker 5: So you got to be able to do it. And
47:10
Speaker 5: if you're gonna do it, guess what do it well?
47:12
Speaker 5: Do it well? If you're gonna do it, think about
47:15
Speaker 5: what you're gonna say for that minute and twenty seconds
47:17
Speaker 5: and articulate it to showcase one your own ability as
47:20
Speaker 5: a coach to be able to talk under fire. Sean see,
47:24
Speaker 5: so much is how you communicate in the huddle with
47:26
Speaker 5: your team, with the referees during the game, now with
47:29
Speaker 5: the media excuse me, with the audience that's watching it,
47:33
Speaker 5: and the TV partners, and by the way, under pressure
47:37
Speaker 5: skills which separates so many coaches and leaders. As far
47:41
Speaker 5: as how do you react when things aren't going well
47:44
Speaker 5: sewn during the course of a game, that's the question
47:48
Speaker 5: as always some fail, some miserably. What we group themselves
47:52
Speaker 5: and what go forward? Quickly?
47:55
Speaker 2: We got a lot to talk about with Gordi chiays
47:57
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48:01
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48:04
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48:08
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49:01
Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Sean old conno Show.
49:03
Speaker 2: Who still got Gordy Chiaza in with us for another
49:06
Speaker 2: thirty plus minutes?
49:08
Speaker 3: Lots to get to.
49:09
Speaker 2: We've got some actual playoff basketball still, but the offseason
49:14
Speaker 2: storylines are ramping up free agency right now. Who is
49:21
Speaker 2: Who's the first domino to fall? You think in this
49:24
Speaker 2: it's not a superstar studded free agency, but there are
49:29
Speaker 2: some very relevant, important players that are out on the
49:33
Speaker 2: market so to speak.
49:34
Speaker 3: Who's going to be the first Domino to fall.
49:37
Speaker 5: Austin Reeves, Yeah, Lakers because it involves Lebron. As far
49:41
Speaker 5: as that situation, Austin Reeves is a tremendous player. This
49:45
Speaker 5: year he made a next season part of me. The
49:48
Speaker 5: twenty six to twenty seventh season, he makes fourteen point
49:51
Speaker 5: nine million. So who's dramatically overpaid in the context of
49:54
Speaker 5: the NBA. So now he'll op out of his contract,
49:58
Speaker 5: become unrestricted, and now what does he worked towards the Lakers?
50:03
Speaker 5: Knowing that Luca Doncies is the star player Lebron James
50:06
Speaker 5: God bless him, aged forty two on December thirtieth, So
50:10
Speaker 5: they've got to pay Austin Reeves, who averages roughly twenty
50:13
Speaker 5: five points a game, you know the stats already thirty
50:16
Speaker 5: nine from threes. He's got hops to his game, he
50:19
Speaker 5: plays hard, defensively, you get to see, here's the spirit
50:22
Speaker 5: about himself. He'll probably get five years sewn at two
50:26
Speaker 5: hundred million dollars total. So that's the first Domino. The
50:30
Speaker 5: next Domino could be vastly underrated. He plays to the
50:33
Speaker 5: te Wolves again. The t Wolves head back to back
50:36
Speaker 5: years in the conference finals. This year they fell short.
50:39
Speaker 5: They're aging they have, but they have a star player,
50:42
Speaker 5: Anthony Edwards. They made that wonderful trade to get Ayo Desumo.
50:46
Speaker 5: He's unrestricted free agent, so you've got to pay him.
50:50
Speaker 5: Because remember last year they let the Kelwalk Alexander go
50:54
Speaker 5: to Atlanta Hawks, didn't pay him. He became what the
50:57
Speaker 5: most improved player in the NBA. So he's gonna get
50:59
Speaker 5: played basketball. Walker Kessler, all right, what are you doing
51:03
Speaker 5: Jazz basketball? That's a huge question. And he's gonna piggyback
51:07
Speaker 5: as far as the Jazz draft also somewhat if they
51:11
Speaker 5: do take Cambooser at two, just hypothetically, just for the narrative,
51:15
Speaker 5: because now you have Larry marketing. Remember now the Jazz
51:19
Speaker 5: salary right now is that Jaron Jackson makes forty nine
51:22
Speaker 5: point one million dollars and the second page is Larry
51:25
Speaker 5: Walkin at forty six point eight million, and showing the
51:28
Speaker 5: third player paid right now as you speak, right now
51:31
Speaker 5: is Ace Bailey A stilly. That's it the contract you
51:36
Speaker 5: got that, right, Sean. So Walker Kesl's part of this
51:39
Speaker 5: equation right now. Hey, he's homegrown, he only played last
51:43
Speaker 5: year of five games. This is fourth year. He's a
51:46
Speaker 5: good player, he wants to be in Utah. He's got
51:51
Speaker 5: some showing he has somewhat leverage, somewhat sure, but now
51:55
Speaker 5: with Jaron Jackson being there, that leverage has slightly degressed slightly.
52:02
Speaker 5: He's my words careful here, slightly so again. Yaka Peardle
52:08
Speaker 5: from at Utah player utes makes twenty eight point five
52:12
Speaker 5: million dollars on average. I think that Walker Kess is
52:15
Speaker 5: a better player, I think, And also he's homegrown, but
52:19
Speaker 5: he jass meaning why they draft him.
52:20
Speaker 2: Seuan, So would you spend more or less than thirty
52:23
Speaker 2: million a year on average value for a Walker Kessler
52:27
Speaker 2: because that's comparable to that Yaka Partle number that you
52:31
Speaker 2: just mentioned. It's a little bit better, right, And you
52:33
Speaker 2: mentioned he does have a certain amount of leverage, and
52:36
Speaker 2: I would think I actually believe that his leverage is
52:39
Speaker 2: pretty healthy because everyone's been waiting and holding their breath
52:45
Speaker 2: for this team to be ready, and it feels like
52:48
Speaker 2: with him in the lineup, this team is a lot
52:51
Speaker 2: more ready than if you're trying to then say, oh crap,
52:54
Speaker 2: now we still have to get a true center big man. Yes,
52:58
Speaker 2: you have size with Jaron Jackson Junior and with Lowry Markinen,
53:02
Speaker 2: but it feels like Walker Kessler is, at least in
53:06
Speaker 2: the average fans viewpoint, he's a big piece of what
53:09
Speaker 2: they're they're gonna be putting out on the floor next year,
53:13
Speaker 2: so they're not gonna let.
53:15
Speaker 5: Him go, agreed. So what's he worth roughly in this marketplace?
53:21
Speaker 5: And again the Jazz he's restricted, so Jess will wait,
53:24
Speaker 5: there's sewing bids on him, and then he had forty
53:26
Speaker 5: eight hours to match and that'll be in July, so
53:29
Speaker 5: it's after the draft, okay, So that he's probably worth
53:35
Speaker 5: per year thirty one to thirty three million. Wow, yeah,
53:44
Speaker 5: times four years or five. I would go four and
53:47
Speaker 5: in very seconds. He's a young guy, he's only twenty
53:49
Speaker 5: four years old, and that he's a good player. He's
53:51
Speaker 5: gotten better each year. He's homegrown. He just drafted him
53:54
Speaker 5: and he developed him and he's ready to have a
53:56
Speaker 5: bust that year. He played well for the first five
53:59
Speaker 5: games last year that he went down with the torn labourer,
54:02
Speaker 5: and so he's a factor. Now there's so many less
54:06
Speaker 5: teams that can afford him, like one team has the
54:08
Speaker 5: most money sewing, but you don't want to go there.
54:11
Speaker 5: I like to visit there shown because with my home state,
54:13
Speaker 5: but I don't want to play. Excuse me. It is
54:15
Speaker 5: the Brooklyn Nets for New Jersey, all right. So he
54:19
Speaker 5: had the most money in the off season right now,
54:21
Speaker 5: So we'll see how it plays out. Denver Nuggets, Jazz Division,
54:25
Speaker 5: good team fell short. We all love Nikolai Jokic, all right.
54:28
Speaker 5: Peyton Watson got hurt and of this season. It set
54:32
Speaker 5: them back the Nuggets right now, all right, so he's restricted.
54:38
Speaker 5: They're gonna wait this own bid on him, but they've
54:40
Speaker 5: got to resign him. Their problem with their problem right
54:42
Speaker 5: now with the Denver Nuggets is that it didn't work
54:45
Speaker 5: out with Cam Johnson on his contract one year left.
54:48
Speaker 5: He makes next year twenty three million dollars. And then
54:51
Speaker 5: Christian Brown, Sean, don't you love America? Sean, you love America.
54:55
Speaker 5: It's the land of opportunity. Christian Brown, he signed that
54:58
Speaker 5: contract five years, one hundred and twenty five million. Yikes,
55:03
Speaker 5: you like him, but not at thouse numbers you see.
55:06
Speaker 5: So again, yet's so important that you get the majority
55:09
Speaker 5: of contracts correctly. There's a few more guys will we
55:13
Speaker 5: talk about and this will be ongoing in the next
55:14
Speaker 5: few weeks. All right, Lebron James, Okay, you love him.
55:19
Speaker 5: He played well for the Lakers, but you can't pay them.
55:22
Speaker 5: You can't. You cannot pay him for what he thinks
55:26
Speaker 5: he's worth. Where he's worth anything. I get he's worth
55:29
Speaker 5: every penny possibly, but not for the Lakers right now,
55:32
Speaker 5: so mid level exceptions. Fifteen million dollars next year. He's
55:36
Speaker 5: not gonna accept that. But who's gonna pay him? That's
55:39
Speaker 5: the question. And who might maybe Sean maybe the Warriors
55:44
Speaker 5: one last hurrah with a pay cut, though with the
55:47
Speaker 5: dramatic pay cut.
55:48
Speaker 2: Well, man, my pie in the sky dream for Lebron
55:52
Speaker 2: James is that in order to further cement his legacy,
55:56
Speaker 2: in order to like he's I think for most people
56:00
Speaker 2: the book is written that it's going to be Michael
56:03
Speaker 2: Jordan number one, Lebron James number two. Maybe maybe it's
56:07
Speaker 2: a one A one B situation. Obviously, there are folks
56:10
Speaker 2: more from your generation of basketball who will tell you
56:13
Speaker 2: that Wilt Chamberlain doesn't get mentioned the way he should
56:15
Speaker 2: in those conversations.
56:16
Speaker 5: But Sean or Kareem abducha.
56:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's it's always apples to oranges and those.
56:23
Speaker 2: While I enjoy those debates for summertime radio, it's not
56:26
Speaker 2: really pertinent. But for Lebron James by pieing the sky
56:30
Speaker 2: dream is because he is truly great, right, and I
56:34
Speaker 2: think that he's the type of guy that still has
56:38
Speaker 2: a lot to give to the game, not only with
56:40
Speaker 2: his stats, but if you set Lebron down and he's
56:44
Speaker 2: accepted a role in your locker room that Hey, Lebron,
56:47
Speaker 2: we need you to teach these young guys your habits,
56:51
Speaker 2: your body recovery, your film study. We want you to
56:54
Speaker 2: teach some of these young guys your habits. You're a
56:56
Speaker 2: player coach of sorts. You're the Robert Parrish on this
56:59
Speaker 2: particular team. If he'd be willing to accept something like that,
57:02
Speaker 2: and he'd be willing to go to a place that
57:04
Speaker 2: has never won a championship but has a really good roster. Right,
57:09
Speaker 2: there's six seven teams in the league that haven't won
57:13
Speaker 2: the championships. There's three or four of them that have
57:15
Speaker 2: a pretty healthy roster. The Utah Jazz is.
57:17
Speaker 3: One of them.
57:17
Speaker 2: I don't think he's coming to Salt Lake City but
57:19
Speaker 2: I would love to see Lebron James say I got
57:21
Speaker 2: like one or two years left here, I'm gonna go
57:24
Speaker 2: play for the Minnesota Timberwolves at a discount and see
57:26
Speaker 2: if I can get that team over the hump. That
57:29
Speaker 2: would I think add a significant boost to his legacy
57:34
Speaker 2: if he helped be the catalyst for a team that
57:36
Speaker 2: had never won a championship before.
57:38
Speaker 5: Well add today. But this team also is that he
57:42
Speaker 5: goes there. He has to enjoy playing with his teammates though,
57:46
Speaker 5: so most times would be someone that he's familiar with.
57:50
Speaker 5: So it's gonna be interesting. He's fascinating how it all
57:52
Speaker 5: plays out, and it won't play out the first week
57:55
Speaker 5: of free agency, which is July first, It's gonna play
57:58
Speaker 5: out after that. So that's he's another player that he
58:02
Speaker 5: plays right now in the NBA Finals. Mitchell Robinson off
58:07
Speaker 5: the bench.
58:08
Speaker 2: I was about to ask you about Mitchell Robinson and
58:10
Speaker 2: Landry Shammon. Both of those guys have decisions to make,
58:14
Speaker 2: absolutely very much. So Mitchell Robinson on most teams would
58:19
Speaker 2: start on most teams, but a Nikerboker is the way
58:22
Speaker 2: they're instruction. Consny Towns, who's played very well the last
58:26
Speaker 2: year or so he's matured as far as is thinking.
58:29
Speaker 2: And to Mitchell, Robinson's the backup.
58:31
Speaker 5: When he gets in the game, he outplays almost all
58:34
Speaker 5: the backup centers, and he outplays usually half of the
58:38
Speaker 5: starting centers. He's a live boy, offensive rebounder. What's he
58:41
Speaker 5: worth right now? Minimum sean at least fifteen million dollars
58:47
Speaker 5: a year, mid level exception. That's minimum four years, fifteen million,
58:52
Speaker 5: sixty million plus change. So he'll be out there all right.
58:55
Speaker 5: Landon Shammon. Gotta love this guy, This guy Shammitt. He
59:00
Speaker 5: replaced basically former jazz man Jordan Clarkson, who's sawed with
59:04
Speaker 5: the Knickerbockers, and it hasn't worked out as far as
59:08
Speaker 5: his career. The team is winning, but they're winning without
59:11
Speaker 5: Jordan Clarkson because they landed Shaman. All right, So Shammit
59:13
Speaker 5: right now is a free agent off the bench. He's
59:16
Speaker 5: played absolutely great. Here's some quick numbers about Shammit this
59:19
Speaker 5: postseason run. He's shooting fifty five point three percent from
59:23
Speaker 5: the field sean from three point range, from threes, sixty
59:27
Speaker 5: percent from threes in fourteen games, sixty percent. As a
59:31
Speaker 5: matter of fact, in the present tense the last two
59:33
Speaker 5: games when the when the Knicks punched the Cabs in
59:36
Speaker 5: the face shammitt. As we speak right now, Sean has
59:39
Speaker 5: made nine out of his last ten three point shots.
59:42
Speaker 5: Nine in the last ten that Sean, I'm out of
59:45
Speaker 5: Matt Scholar. That's ninety percent.
59:46
Speaker 3: That's pretty good, pretty good, pretty good.
59:48
Speaker 5: And plus also he plays good defense. And he's like, again,
59:52
Speaker 5: it sounds so trivial. I live in the real world,
59:55
Speaker 5: Yes I do. But he's a good guy. Good guy
59:58
Speaker 5: meaning what his teammates like him. He comes on time
1:00:01
Speaker 5: to the walkthroughs seany on the on the planes, respectful
1:00:05
Speaker 5: to his teammates, on the plane, above sea, above sea
1:00:07
Speaker 5: level thirty five thousand feet. These are all things that
1:00:11
Speaker 5: make white teams do win. So he'll be out there.
1:00:14
Speaker 5: He's worth probably now eight to ten million dollars a year.
1:00:22
Speaker 5: I'm pausing because I don't want to get so crazy
1:00:26
Speaker 5: as far as someone's value. But he'll get something from
1:00:29
Speaker 5: not the Knickerbockers, some other team right now.
1:00:32
Speaker 2: So for those two in particular, how much will what
1:00:36
Speaker 2: happens in the NBA Finals affect their decision? Because you
1:00:40
Speaker 2: could stay with New York on a discount or you
1:00:43
Speaker 2: could maximize your individual value in the market, like we've
1:00:47
Speaker 2: seen guys do so often, but the chances of you
1:00:50
Speaker 2: ending up on another contender. I mean, maybe you win
1:00:53
Speaker 2: a championship this year, and the conversation in the next
1:00:57
Speaker 2: few days after you win that championship is like, hey,
1:01:00
Speaker 2: let's go get it again next year. Let's keep this
1:01:02
Speaker 2: band but together, and let's see if we can chase
1:01:04
Speaker 2: it again next year. Realistically, these guys might be looking
1:01:08
Speaker 2: at it and saying, I'm gonna go get the most
1:01:11
Speaker 2: money I can to play for Charlotte right to do.
1:01:14
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do the Harrison Barnes thing. How much does
1:01:17
Speaker 2: the result of the finals affect the decision making? For
1:01:21
Speaker 2: Landry Shammon and for Robinson.
1:01:24
Speaker 5: It's a factor, But the biggest factor is your age group.
1:01:26
Speaker 5: In other words, just generally speaking, if you're say Landing
1:01:30
Speaker 5: Shamman type of Mitchell Robinson, if you're under if you're
1:01:33
Speaker 5: thirty years old and younger, you take the money. If
1:01:37
Speaker 5: you're above thirty, then the money is important, but winning
1:01:42
Speaker 5: is also. So it's like a rule of thumb, and
1:01:45
Speaker 5: you could say, give it, take a year or so
1:01:48
Speaker 5: off that we thirty one twenty nine. You can debate that,
1:01:51
Speaker 5: but it's absolutely important because Sean, if you take a
1:01:55
Speaker 5: discount continuously win, you're forever bitter about I could have
1:01:59
Speaker 5: gotten more of mind some other place. So it's that
1:02:01
Speaker 5: unbelievable what a group old you are as far as that.
1:02:05
Speaker 5: And also if you really feel in your heart of
1:02:08
Speaker 5: hearts that you have a chance to really play well
1:02:11
Speaker 5: again the second or third year under contract, so it's interesting.
1:02:14
Speaker 5: It's a good delimit to have done.
1:02:17
Speaker 2: All right, we got to take a break here. Gordy
1:02:19
Speaker 2: is still with us for another twenty minutes or so.
1:02:21
Speaker 2: We'll talk about Game six coming Spurs Thunder, which, by
1:02:25
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1:03:15
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1:03:17
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1:03:21
Speaker 2: one sports talk Spurs hosting the Thunder.
1:03:24
Speaker 3: It is a potential elimination game.
1:03:27
Speaker 2: Obviously, Gordy, with the Thunder up three to two, how
1:03:30
Speaker 2: did the Spurs stay alive?
1:03:32
Speaker 5: One being desperate? Don't shoot desperate, but play desperate in
1:03:37
Speaker 5: a playoff close out game six, It's like, really it's
1:03:40
Speaker 5: an unbli fierceness battle and that both teams are trying
1:03:44
Speaker 5: to compete, one one to stay alive and the other
1:03:48
Speaker 5: one to move on. So that's the backdrop, and how
1:03:52
Speaker 5: do you do that? The best way to stay alive
1:03:54
Speaker 5: in it is to absolutely be manadical about playing defense.
1:03:58
Speaker 5: And you've got to get you don't shoot straight in
1:04:01
Speaker 5: a playoff game because the defense is so edgy, you've
1:04:04
Speaker 5: got an offensive rebound. So tonight's game, the team that
1:04:07
Speaker 5: usually will win this game will be who gets more
1:04:10
Speaker 5: total rebounds, but especially get do overs on the offensive glass.
1:04:14
Speaker 5: And that's why it's so critical that you give yourself up,
1:04:18
Speaker 5: your body to try to get rebounds both on the
1:04:21
Speaker 5: defensive end and also climbing someone's back to try to
1:04:24
Speaker 5: get an offensive stick back on it. And that in
1:04:27
Speaker 5: playoff games like this, Sean, we call the bigness of
1:04:30
Speaker 5: the moment, where that this is about these big about
1:04:34
Speaker 5: big shots, big defensive stops. These are big games and
1:04:39
Speaker 5: most of those showing that people have the most bigness
1:04:42
Speaker 5: of the ones, of the big hearts, and that it's
1:04:44
Speaker 5: not about strategy anymore. You're playing the same team six
1:04:47
Speaker 5: times right now, You're guarding the same guy six times.
1:04:50
Speaker 5: It's about who has enough tenacity yet be measured as
1:04:54
Speaker 5: far as their movement to be able to get it
1:04:56
Speaker 5: done all right, rebounding defensively, and then the star players
1:05:01
Speaker 5: have to step up and it could be a shot,
1:05:03
Speaker 5: it could be a timely, a kickout pass, it could
1:05:06
Speaker 5: be a steal. So the question right now is can
1:05:09
Speaker 5: Victor wen Biyamba and Stephan Castle Willis's team to get
1:05:12
Speaker 5: the game seven and can shape Joes Alexander can he
1:05:16
Speaker 5: also get his team to knock him out to get
1:05:19
Speaker 5: a few days resh right now, and chet Holgrim's got
1:05:21
Speaker 5: a player play much better. Just philosophically, they're getting huge better.
1:05:25
Speaker 5: You're getting huge performance right now by Isaiah Hartenstein. Cason
1:05:29
Speaker 5: Wallach has played very well for them. And then the
1:05:32
Speaker 5: X fact there's always is this guy named Alex Caruso.
1:05:35
Speaker 5: All right, when you talk about the NBA Draft three
1:05:37
Speaker 5: from now or by the way, Crusoe would liver invited
1:05:40
Speaker 5: to the party. So Alex Crusoe is probably the best
1:05:43
Speaker 5: role player in the NBA that outperforms everything quickly with
1:05:48
Speaker 5: With Caruso, I call him he's the m IP, the
1:05:51
Speaker 5: most important person on the Thunder, not the most valua player,
1:05:56
Speaker 5: but the most important person. Cruise is averaging seventeen point
1:05:59
Speaker 5: points seventeen points per game, shooting fifty six point eight
1:06:03
Speaker 5: from the field and fifty eight to one from threes
1:06:07
Speaker 5: eighteen for thirty one. So he guards anybody on the
1:06:10
Speaker 5: court and he makes threes, and he's always doing something
1:06:13
Speaker 5: help his team. So who can make hustle plays to
1:06:17
Speaker 5: get to advance or to knock out the opponent, It's
1:06:23
Speaker 5: gonna be a great game Mainstink's telling me, Sean, it's
1:06:26
Speaker 5: gonna be the Spurs and we get a Game seven
1:06:29
Speaker 5: on Saturday night.
1:06:32
Speaker 2: The NBA obviously wants to that, right, a primetime Saturday
1:06:36
Speaker 2: night Game seven, two great Western Conference teams and for
1:06:40
Speaker 2: all the marbles at least going to the NBA Finals.
1:06:44
Speaker 5: Very much they do. And Game seven is nothing like
1:06:48
Speaker 5: it we sort of ready in the first round. And
1:06:51
Speaker 5: how how game seven really makes a person's legacy. And
1:06:56
Speaker 5: speaking of game seven, Sean, the greatest ever Game seven
1:07:00
Speaker 5: of all time, it's not even close, is Bill Russell.
1:07:04
Speaker 5: He is ten and zero in game sevens, where he
1:07:07
Speaker 5: averaged fifteen point one points per game, showing the average
1:07:10
Speaker 5: rebounds in game sevens twenty nine point three rebounds in
1:07:14
Speaker 5: Game sevens. Remember they didn't keep block shots then, so
1:07:19
Speaker 5: we never know how many block shots he would have
1:07:21
Speaker 5: in Game seven. All right, Nikoboxers, they're resting right now,
1:07:24
Speaker 5: and they they deserve it, all right. The last time
1:07:27
Speaker 5: Nicks won the finals was nineteen ninety nine, and shown before.
1:07:30
Speaker 5: That's why we played the song in the studio about
1:07:34
Speaker 5: you and I a Beloved Prince. Nineteen ninety nine. That
1:07:38
Speaker 5: was the last time they were in the finals the
1:07:41
Speaker 5: Knickobockers in twenty seven years and also the last time
1:07:45
Speaker 5: Nicks Wintering championship was fifty three years ago in nineteen
1:07:49
Speaker 5: seventy three, were ironically shown is that they beat the
1:07:52
Speaker 5: Spurs four games to one, and that just excuse me,
1:07:57
Speaker 5: pup me. They lost to the Spurs in ninety nine
1:07:59
Speaker 5: four games to one in nineteen seventy three when they
1:08:02
Speaker 5: beat the Lakers for the last championship, that was fifty
1:08:06
Speaker 5: three years ago, when Will she Reed was the was
1:08:09
Speaker 5: the MVP? All right? Quickly, it's edetis right now. You
1:08:14
Speaker 5: know about showing sol the metrics in the draft and stuff.
1:08:17
Speaker 5: So here's some the smallest players ever to play in
1:08:21
Speaker 5: the finals to win MVP. All right. So Isaiah Thomas
1:08:27
Speaker 5: in nineteen ninety was six', one was THE. Mvp Tony
1:08:31
Speaker 5: parker of The spurs six to two two thousand and,
1:08:36
Speaker 5: seven and then There Steph. Curry he WAS mvp in
1:08:40
Speaker 5: twenty twenty. Two so my question is if The knicks
1:08:44
Speaker 5: suddenly win it sewn six'. To Two, jalen brunson you can't, Measure,
1:08:51
Speaker 5: heart sean whether IT'S the nfl OR the nba or
1:08:54
Speaker 5: the metrics or the length of Somebody like crusoe, right
1:08:58
Speaker 5: now the metrics wouldn't tell him how it, would be
1:09:01
Speaker 5: would the eye tests wouldn't be. So good but in
1:09:04
Speaker 5: the way He, plays crusoe he.
1:09:06
Speaker 2: Plays, bigger uh this is going back far with, Both
1:09:11
Speaker 2: franchises but there's a revisionist history.
1:09:13
Speaker 1: Thing.
1:09:13
Speaker 2: Here uh there was a time When The oklahoma city
1:09:16
Speaker 2: Franchise Had, Kevin Durant, james Harden And russell westbrook all
1:09:20
Speaker 2: on the.
1:09:20
Speaker 3: Same roster Brunson and luca were on The same mavericks.
1:09:25
Speaker 3: Roster together.
1:09:27
Speaker 2: Neither of those teams won championships with, those guys Those Perennial,
1:09:31
Speaker 2: all stars those greats on the.
1:09:34
Speaker 3: Roster together which?
1:09:35
Speaker 2: Is it which is one which is more easily explainable
1:09:38
Speaker 2: for you when you look back at what those teams
1:09:41
Speaker 2: were when when they had those players on, the roster
1:09:45
Speaker 2: which one actually, makes, sense, like, oh yeah they didn't
1:09:47
Speaker 2: win because, Of, this well.
1:09:49
Speaker 5: Because they didn't share. The, ball okay that's the. Reason
1:09:51
Speaker 5: why in, other words it's what do you want to
1:09:54
Speaker 5: do is have when you have elite players in, your
1:09:57
Speaker 5: team you. Want it one guy's gonna the off the
1:10:00
Speaker 5: dog where he has a dominant game and a. Dominant
1:10:04
Speaker 5: personality but the other guys have dominant games but not a,
1:10:10
Speaker 5: dominant personality and that's how you. Win CHAMPIONSHIPS so i
1:10:14
Speaker 5: just describe right now With J, jo's alexander he's got
1:10:17
Speaker 5: a dominant game without a. Dominant personality. He doesn't and
1:10:22
Speaker 5: so that's why in that world it's beautiful for this
1:10:26
Speaker 5: joy to play and the front, the, okay see it
1:10:29
Speaker 5: seems to me With the spurs Showing With, wen biyamba,
1:10:33
Speaker 5: people like people like being. With him it sounds. So
1:10:36
Speaker 5: trivial And The Knickerbocker's jellen brunson took a pay cut
1:10:42
Speaker 5: to help his future teammates make money to come on,
1:10:45
Speaker 5: their team and now that's the ultimate sacrifice as far as.
1:10:49
Speaker 5: Professional athlete it's worked. Out, Great Also Consny towns cat to,
1:10:53
Speaker 5: his credit he's taking a step back. Or sidewarz he
1:10:57
Speaker 5: knows right now This Is jeleen, Brunson's Team But jalen
1:11:00
Speaker 5: brunson includes his teammates and everything that they do as
1:11:04
Speaker 5: far as on the court off, the court that's why.
1:11:06
Speaker 5: They win it sounds. So simple chemistry is absolutely important with.
1:11:10
Speaker 5: Star players.
1:11:13
Speaker 3: DID the nba get it right With the coach Of the.
1:11:14
Speaker 3: Year Award joe mizzoula got, Their award.
1:11:17
Speaker 5: Yes, they did and also segree. To that also the
1:11:19
Speaker 5: executive the Year Was. Brad stevens So the celts got
1:11:23
Speaker 5: had got back to back the guys as far as
1:11:26
Speaker 5: the same, year men people thought the celtsan to be
1:11:30
Speaker 5: wide a gap Year Where, jason tatum who got hurt
1:11:34
Speaker 5: in the playoffs speck in twenty twenty five, years right
1:11:37
Speaker 5: he didn't Play. Until april and guess what happened That
1:11:41
Speaker 5: the celtics didn't agree and they had no. Gap Year
1:11:46
Speaker 5: the celts, right now they won fifty six games in
1:11:49
Speaker 5: twenty six, regular season so fifty six and, twenty six
1:11:52
Speaker 5: and they lost in. The playoffs but absolutely they did a.
1:11:56
Speaker 5: Good job remember they lost them to the seventy sixth
1:12:00
Speaker 5: Is in game seven. At Home So joe missoula, tremendous coach,
1:12:05
Speaker 5: good leader the players. Respect him and it sounds, so
1:12:11
Speaker 5: simple but. It's. Not so the question is always any
1:12:14
Speaker 5: any business you have as, a leader you've got to
1:12:17
Speaker 5: show the qualities is that you're there's you're. In charge
1:12:21
Speaker 5: but within, that though you delegate authority shown to. Other
1:12:24
Speaker 5: people THAT'S why i got IN the nfl. Is Shown
1:12:26
Speaker 5: andy reid is THE perfect nfl coach because he's a
1:12:31
Speaker 5: smart technician. And strategist but you get, The feeling sewan
1:12:35
Speaker 5: that he the coaches are huge parut of it and
1:12:40
Speaker 5: that he includes the star players and any. Decision making
1:12:42
Speaker 5: that's Why. THE chiefs i know they, have mahomes that's part,
1:12:45
Speaker 5: of it but that's why they win or. Highly, competitive.
1:12:49
Speaker 3: Gordy what's your?
1:12:50
Speaker 5: List, today okay my list Today is SEAN The nba
1:12:54
Speaker 5: playoffs career total block. Shot leaders so the most career
1:13:00
Speaker 5: your block shots IN. The, Nba Yeah victor wenbyamber is
1:13:05
Speaker 5: not on, this list but my instincts tell me that
1:13:08
Speaker 5: he will be someday minus some gotha bid. Major injury
1:13:12
Speaker 5: here we go.
1:13:15
Speaker 3: To be a shot.
1:13:16
Speaker 5: Blocker quickly there's some attributes. And skills one, is timing,
1:13:20
Speaker 5: two length three quick off, your feet, four technique staying vertical,
1:13:28
Speaker 5: not horizontal big difference vertical, versus horizontal and. Five discipline
1:13:33
Speaker 5: the best shot blockers are the, second jumper not. The
1:13:38
Speaker 5: first so in any sort of head and shoulder fake in,
1:13:42
Speaker 5: the lane they stay up to. Stay down and that's
1:13:45
Speaker 5: why it's so critical that you could block a shot
1:13:47
Speaker 5: and found. The guy, guess what it's, a fel not a.
1:13:49
Speaker 5: Block shot here we go the ten All time korea
1:13:52
Speaker 5: shot block leaders in. Playoff history Number Ten kevin McHale
1:13:57
Speaker 5: two hundred and eighty. One blocks Number Nine lebron james two,
1:14:02
Speaker 5: Eighty seven Number Eight serjea baka two. Ninety two Number
1:14:07
Speaker 5: Seven patrick ewing three hundred and three. Block shots Number
1:14:13
Speaker 5: Six robert parrish three. Oh nine Number Five david robinson.
1:14:20
Speaker 5: Three Twelve But david robinson also. Another intrigue he's. Left
1:14:24
Speaker 5: handed the block shots with a, different hand which is.
1:14:28
Speaker 5: Absolutely important Number four shaquille O'Neal four hundred and fifty.
1:14:34
Speaker 5: Nine blocks Number Three akeema laji one for seventy. Two
1:14:39
Speaker 5: rejections number two all time shot block leader Playoff history
1:14:44
Speaker 5: Kareem abdul jabal four. Seventy six the number one greatest
1:14:50
Speaker 5: ever shot BLOCKING in nba history Is ten duncan five
1:14:56
Speaker 5: hundred and sixty, eight blocks which comes to two point.
1:14:59
Speaker 5: Three quickly What about? Jazz Basketball mark eaton is twenty
1:15:06
Speaker 5: third all time in, block shots where he blocked two
1:15:09
Speaker 5: hundred and ten blocks in his career for two point
1:15:13
Speaker 5: eight blocks. Per Game so mark only played in seventy
1:15:16
Speaker 5: four games all right. Present tense, More importantly victim wem Beyonmber,
1:15:21
Speaker 5: all right age, twenty two first time in the playoffs With,
1:15:25
Speaker 5: the spurs he has already he's played fifteen games so
1:15:29
Speaker 5: far in, this playoffs in the twenty, six playoffs he
1:15:32
Speaker 5: has fifty six, blocks already which comes to three point
1:15:36
Speaker 5: seven blocks. Per game so, when Beyondber If mark eaton
1:15:41
Speaker 5: got two, point eight and that, is Great And tim
1:15:43
Speaker 5: duncan averaged two point three blocks for, his Career when
1:15:47
Speaker 5: beyondber's got right now three point seven blocks average in
1:15:51
Speaker 5: fifteen games. Right Now thus seawan shot blocking he's absolutely
1:15:56
Speaker 5: critical in playoff games because the reason why the three
1:15:59
Speaker 5: point shot isn't as as a parent because the defense is.
1:16:03
Speaker 5: So fierce they, run you they run the shoes off
1:16:05
Speaker 5: the line in that the mid, range game and they
1:16:08
Speaker 5: try to. Draw fouls and that's why. Shot blocking rim
1:16:11
Speaker 5: protection is. Absolutely critical Jazz Basketball walker kestler is a good,
1:16:15
Speaker 5: shot blocker so it's and So Is jaron jackson won
1:16:19
Speaker 5: the best IN the nba so in as A jaz
1:16:21
Speaker 5: goo fowd in. Playoff, basketball hope but soon is that
1:16:23
Speaker 5: they're gonna have two shot blockers that will impact the game.
1:16:27
Speaker 5: Thus shown that's my list. Of Today So.
1:16:31
Speaker 2: Tim duncan played two hundred and fifty one career playoff
1:16:34
Speaker 2: games and ended up with five hundred and sixty eight. Total,
1:16:38
Speaker 2: blocks uh what did, You Say wemby's wemby's a blocks.
1:16:42
Speaker 2: Per game he's at three point seven or.
1:16:44
Speaker 5: Something or three point seven blocks. Per, Games okay i'm
1:16:46
Speaker 5: gonna do with the fifty six total blocks in fifteen games.
1:16:51
Speaker 3: Three point seven times two.
1:16:54
Speaker 2: Fifty one if he was able to maintain if he
1:16:57
Speaker 2: was able to maintain, That, pace okay for as many
1:16:59
Speaker 2: play off Games As tim. Duncan Played Remember tim duncan's
1:17:04
Speaker 2: total five. Sixty eight If if wemby was able to
1:17:08
Speaker 2: do three point seven blocks per game over the course
1:17:10
Speaker 2: of two hundred and fifty, one games that's nine hundred
1:17:13
Speaker 2: and twenty eight career.
1:17:14
Speaker 3: Playoff blocks it's an.
1:17:17
Speaker 2: Absurd, number obviously the more playoff games, he plays probably
1:17:22
Speaker 2: that average comes down a. Little bit but even if
1:17:24
Speaker 2: he gets two hundred games at three blocks, a game
1:17:28
Speaker 2: we're talking about the record by a. Healthy margin he's
1:17:31
Speaker 2: still thirty two blocks Above A tim duncan with fifty
1:17:35
Speaker 2: one fewer. Games played he is a, force, defensively yes
1:17:39
Speaker 2: and not so bad offensively.
1:17:41
Speaker 5: Zachly right and also The Sen. Antonio spurs so if, That,
1:17:44
Speaker 5: happens Sean the spurs would have three guys in the
1:17:48
Speaker 5: top five, All Time, David Robinson tim duncan and maybe
1:17:52
Speaker 5: someday victory went beyond them to Talk, about oh by,
1:17:55
Speaker 5: the way if you're in a, small market you can't win,
1:17:58
Speaker 5: the championship SAYS who.
1:18:00
Speaker 2: I had by, the way so when you started, THAT
1:18:02
Speaker 2: list i had Totally Put tim duncan out of. MY
1:18:04
Speaker 2: mind i, Was, like oh it's Gonna be kareem, Number
1:18:06
Speaker 2: One achem olajahwan. NUMBER two i had totally Forgotten That
1:18:09
Speaker 2: tim duncan should be in the spot that, he's in but.
1:18:12
Speaker 5: Not really a, great Leaper. So sean so getting back to,
1:18:15
Speaker 5: the attributes where he's a second jumper in, the, lane
1:18:18
Speaker 5: yeah in that, position wise and that he stays vertical
1:18:22
Speaker 5: versus he stays he stays on the. Ground more that's
1:18:26
Speaker 5: why it's absolutely critical how he, blocked shots and that's
1:18:30
Speaker 5: why it's so important is to stay vertical, versus horizontal
1:18:33
Speaker 5: where your body the guy on. His shoulders little things.
1:18:36
Speaker 5: Do matter attention to detail is absolutely important to any athlete.
1:18:41
Speaker 5: Any sport the details.
1:18:43
Speaker 2: DO matter a Shout Out, serge ibaka by, the way
1:18:46
Speaker 2: for making that list without being an overall.
1:18:48
Speaker 3: Great player he's the.
1:18:50
Speaker 5: Only one also add, To, that sean he was the
1:18:52
Speaker 5: guy they gave the money To the thunder Instead Of.
1:18:55
Speaker 5: James harden remember that long time ago they paid a
1:18:59
Speaker 5: box and Moved On. James, Harden well.
1:19:06
Speaker 2: James HAS not i mean he's individually he's. Been great
1:19:10
Speaker 2: he has not contributed to a championship run for any team.
1:19:13
Speaker 2: Since then So Maybe oklahoma city doesn't have a lot
1:19:16
Speaker 2: of buyer's remorse on that one.
1:19:18
Speaker 5: Good point and that's the beauty. Of it you think,
1:19:20
Speaker 5: you know you don't know until all, plays out so
1:19:23
Speaker 5: right now it's. All SPECTIVE but i do know right
1:19:25
Speaker 5: now is That the tonight's game is going to be.
1:19:28
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1:19:31
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1:19:38
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Speaker 2: probably already know The Name Milan. Mam, CHILOVIC chilovich i
1:20:49
Speaker 2: think is the actual correct way to.
1:20:51
Speaker 3: Say It.
1:20:53
Speaker 2: Iowa state star that was until yesterday evening deeply involved
1:21:00
Speaker 2: in the pre draft process for THIS upcoming, nba draft
1:21:07
Speaker 2: and instead of staying in, The draft menan has decided
1:21:13
Speaker 2: he's going to come back and play some. College hoop
1:21:17
Speaker 2: now you might, be thinking.
1:21:19
Speaker 3: What what are?
1:21:19
Speaker 2: You doing if YOU'RE an nba, draft pick you gotta
1:21:23
Speaker 2: go TO. The nba why would you LEAVE. The, nba
1:21:26
Speaker 2: well it's not like he's going from, a guaranteed hefty salary,
1:21:32
Speaker 2: to nothing because the projections right now is he's basically
1:21:37
Speaker 2: one of the top guys available in college free agency
1:21:42
Speaker 2: and the expectation is that he will fetch perhaps a
1:21:47
Speaker 2: little bit north of five million dollars on the. Nil,
1:21:50
Speaker 2: MARKET now i guess he might have to worry about
1:21:53
Speaker 2: whether or Not The College sports COMMISSION, the csc is
1:21:57
Speaker 2: going to approve. His salary at the, New Schools saint
1:22:02
Speaker 2: john's apparently is in, On him kentucky's in. On, him
1:22:06
Speaker 2: arizona who is maybe Hoping For CoA pete to. Come
1:22:10
Speaker 2: back coopete has decided he's staying in.
1:22:12
Speaker 3: The draft.
1:22:14
Speaker 2: He's been having Discussions. With arizona If your, iowa state
1:22:18
Speaker 2: you might, be.
1:22:18
Speaker 3: Like oh, my goodness our best players, Coming back but
1:22:21
Speaker 3: they all know he's not gonna Stay In iowa state
1:22:23
Speaker 3: because he's in. The, portal tough tough For the.
1:22:27
Speaker 4: Cyclone fans maybe the best pure shooter in college basketball
1:22:32
Speaker 4: last year and he was what he's what six' eight
1:22:36
Speaker 4: like size and can shoot. It, Really Well yeah CoA,
1:22:40
Speaker 4: pete's leaving arizona Then maybe mom chilovich Ends. UP in tucson.
1:22:45
Speaker 6: I don't know.
1:22:46
Speaker 3: Seems like that.
1:22:48
Speaker 2: Some people Are reporting that arizona is the favorite To
1:22:51
Speaker 2: land mam chidovich and not.
1:22:54
Speaker 4: A bad replacement for your freshman phenom who's GOING.
1:22:58
Speaker 2: To the nba, who weirdly enough APPARENTLY at the nba
1:23:02
Speaker 2: scouting combine and during those workouts there's been a lot
1:23:06
Speaker 2: of conversation About how like colopete hasn't looked as good
1:23:11
Speaker 2: as people expected, him to look that his jump shots looking.
1:23:14
Speaker 2: Kind of wonky there was all this stuff about his
1:23:17
Speaker 2: the release point on his jump shot being off even
1:23:21
Speaker 2: compared to what you saw from.
1:23:22
Speaker 3: Him in the arizona.
1:23:24
Speaker 2: Games this, YEAR and look i am not the guy
1:23:26
Speaker 2: that's grinding tape on the release point of college basketball
1:23:31
Speaker 2: players jump shots and especially then comparing them to what
1:23:35
Speaker 2: they're SEEING in the nba. Pre draft workouts but We
1:23:38
Speaker 2: Have A markel foltz yips situation with the jumper who
1:23:43
Speaker 2: knows that would be.
1:23:44
Speaker 3: A bad, thing, i mean.
1:23:44
Speaker 2: Look this HAPPENS in the nfl scouting combine, all the
1:23:48
Speaker 2: time right where you see a guy who has just
1:23:51
Speaker 2: an incredible college football career, as a quarterback and then
1:23:54
Speaker 2: you GO to the nfl scouting process and, they're, just
1:23:57
Speaker 2: like yeah but look how he, throws the ball, and
1:24:00
Speaker 2: you're like what? DO you, mean i mean look how he.
1:24:03
Speaker 2: Throws the ball look at. His throwing motions throwing, motion is,
1:24:05
Speaker 2: weird it sucks it's, kind of sidearm his release. Points
1:24:08
Speaker 2: too low AND the tendency i have, is just like
1:24:12
Speaker 2: well He Played at ohio state and it didn't. Really
1:24:15
Speaker 2: hurt him there is it going to hurt that BAD.
1:24:17
Speaker 2: In the nfl and you get these, like hyper analysts
1:24:21
Speaker 2: maybe overanalyzing of throwing motions and in this case maybe.
1:24:25
Speaker 3: A jump shot what matters is?
1:24:28
Speaker 2: It going in and that is where it can get
1:24:30
Speaker 2: UGLY at the nba level and OBVIOUSLY at. The nfl
1:24:34
Speaker 2: level if that throwing motion affects the timing, on your
1:24:38
Speaker 2: throws the accuracy, of your throws your. Draft position dies
1:24:41
Speaker 2: if people start to be like what's going on with
1:24:44
Speaker 2: this jump shot and he's, missing those shots your.
1:24:47
Speaker 3: Draft.
1:24:48
Speaker 4: Position dies yeah there's a couple of things on unorthodox release.
1:24:54
Speaker 4: Points with, jumpers one, is of course is the shot going?
1:25:00
Speaker 4: In or not that should be. The ultimate parometer, the,
1:25:04
Speaker 4: other thing though is is it making your? Shot too
1:25:07
Speaker 4: slow Because You, remember joe, ingles for example he transformed
1:25:11
Speaker 4: his Career With, the utah jazz people have conveniently. Forgotten
1:25:14
Speaker 4: About this joe ingles first, couple of years, in my
1:25:18
Speaker 4: opinion he was absolutely terrible on. The offensive end other
1:25:23
Speaker 4: than being a, pretty good secondary secondary. Ball handler creator
1:25:30
Speaker 4: he didn't give you much on. The offensive end he
1:25:32
Speaker 4: was he was really, good on defense and the biggest
1:25:35
Speaker 4: adjustment he made that made him one of the best
1:25:37
Speaker 4: role Players in the, jazz franchise history one, of the
1:25:40
Speaker 4: best one of the biggest fan favorites from on, the
1:25:43
Speaker 4: court perspective was he went from a very slow release
1:25:48
Speaker 4: point to a super quick release and it made one
1:25:52
Speaker 4: of the best three point shooters in the league for.
1:25:54
Speaker 3: A long TIME.
1:25:55
Speaker 4: So if CoA pete's jumper is slowing down his, release
1:25:59
Speaker 4: a bunch it doesn't matter that much whether the SHOT's
1:26:03
Speaker 4: going in because he's not gonna be able to get
1:26:05
Speaker 4: the shot off if it's not if. It's too slow
1:26:08
Speaker 4: so that's a couple of things.
1:26:09
Speaker 3: To look for.
1:26:12
Speaker 4: But the ultimate thing is is a shot going in
1:26:14
Speaker 4: the the one that THE player that i think of
1:26:17
Speaker 4: incredible three point shooter, In His. Time sean marion no
1:26:21
Speaker 4: one should copy that release point he Does like A
1:26:25
Speaker 4: You remember sean, Marion's release point it was like a
1:26:27
Speaker 4: like flipping it with his thumbs like he was almost
1:26:31
Speaker 4: he was almost granny shot. From his chest and yet
1:26:34
Speaker 4: he was a thirty eight a career thirty seven thirty
1:26:37
Speaker 4: eight percent. Three point shooter so you Wouldn't Go to,
1:26:39
Speaker 4: sean marion go, you know what you gotta Change, your
1:26:41
Speaker 4: release no, it's going in. And it didn't he didn't
1:26:44
Speaker 4: have any problem with it being too slow or anything
1:26:47
Speaker 4: LIKE that that i. Was talking about So, if CoA
1:26:49
Speaker 4: pete if this weird change to his release point is
1:26:53
Speaker 4: effective and it's not slowing, down his shot then maybe
1:26:56
Speaker 4: you shouldn't be too. Worried about It, milan mom chilovitch,
1:26:59
Speaker 4: by the way here his stat line six eight, two
1:27:02
Speaker 4: twenty five sixteen point nine, points per game three point one,
1:27:06
Speaker 4: rebounds per game one, assist per game shot fifty percent
1:27:10
Speaker 4: from the field and forty eight point seven. Percent from three,
1:27:17
Speaker 4: that's why somebody some college, basketball blue blood is going
1:27:21
Speaker 4: to pay him five million.
1:27:23
Speaker 3: Dollars to be on their.
1:27:24
Speaker 4: Roster next, YEAR and again i did not know the
1:27:28
Speaker 4: rumors Linking, him to arizona but that does not surprise.
1:27:31
Speaker 3: ME one bit i.
1:27:32
Speaker 4: COULD see him i could picture him As As an
1:27:34
Speaker 4: arizona wildcat playing that, stretch forward position and they're not
1:27:40
Speaker 4: Going to miss coopete one bit If that's the if, That's.
1:27:43
Speaker 3: The case.
1:27:46
Speaker 2: I'm, trying, to think, uh you know because he made
1:27:48
Speaker 2: a decision here on the conversations that were being had around,
1:27:53
Speaker 2: his PRO prospects and i would have thought forty eight
1:27:57
Speaker 2: point seven percent from three enough to get YOU onto
1:28:01
Speaker 2: an nba roster with the size. That, HE has, ABSOLUTELY
1:28:04
Speaker 2: i mean i know that there's a lot more to,
1:28:07
Speaker 2: it than THAT but the nba rookie pay scale for.
1:28:12
Speaker 2: This upcoming draft i'm just pulling this up by spot spot.
1:28:17
Speaker 2: Track right now why is my computer being so slow
1:28:22
Speaker 2: or is our?
1:28:23
Speaker 3: WiFi? Struggling again here could be give it A minute.
1:28:30
Speaker 2: As i filibuster to try to fill the time You're
1:28:32
Speaker 2: making a you're making a calculated decision on whether or
1:28:37
Speaker 2: not it's better for you to GO to the nba, start,
1:28:43
Speaker 2: that clock right sign, a big deal hoping that the
1:28:47
Speaker 2: next one, is even bigger or do you go back.
1:28:50
Speaker 2: To college sports he's twenty, one, years old right. He's
1:28:54
Speaker 2: old enough there's plenty of GUYS in the nba that are.
1:28:57
Speaker 2: YOUNGER than him i got it to, Load, For me
1:29:02
Speaker 2: okay so it's basically the the calculus he's making, is that,
1:29:07
Speaker 2: Like all right i'm gonna be making the same kind
1:29:10
Speaker 2: of money as the fifteenth overall pick.
1:29:12
Speaker 3: In this year is that what you're?
1:29:14
Speaker 4: Seeing, as well yeah so the minimum if you're a
1:29:17
Speaker 4: first round pick is about, three, million dollars RIGHT which,
1:29:22
Speaker 4: is i mean that's a lot of money. To pass
1:29:24
Speaker 4: up but you talk about what he could be getting
1:29:28
Speaker 4: out of the transfer portal four, to FIVE million, that's
1:29:31
Speaker 4: i mean that's better than the bottom of. The first round,
1:29:34
Speaker 4: and he listen he may not have been a first
1:29:37
Speaker 4: round he may not have gotten a. First round grade
1:29:39
Speaker 4: maybe he got a. Second round grade those are. Non
1:29:41
Speaker 4: guaranteed contracts we don't have that rookie scale, on spot
1:29:46
Speaker 4: track but it's less than. Three million two.
1:29:49
Speaker 2: If you're looking at in the the pro scouts, and
1:29:53
Speaker 2: your agents everyone tries to be pretty transparent and honest with.
1:29:57
Speaker 2: Their draft PROJECTION, in the nba it seems it's a
1:30:00
Speaker 2: lot more ACCURATE than the nfl is always all, over.
1:30:04
Speaker 3: The place right you.
1:30:06
Speaker 2: Hear guys that, are, JUST like yeah i got back a. First,
1:30:08
Speaker 2: round grade cool everyone that's beyond. The second, Round it's
1:30:14
Speaker 2: like i've heard anything from the third round to. The sixth,
1:30:16
Speaker 2: round you're like do you, realize the disparity the insane
1:30:22
Speaker 2: difference between being a third and a sixth round PICK,
1:30:24
Speaker 2: In the NFL like, that's i mean it's great to
1:30:28
Speaker 2: be a, sixth round pick but to be a, third
1:30:30
Speaker 2: round pick that's.
1:30:31
Speaker 3: Life changing stuff that's.
1:30:33
Speaker 2: Life changing money you're pretty much guaranteed a spot on
1:30:35
Speaker 2: the roster for the first couple of years because they've
1:30:37
Speaker 2: invested a third round pick in you.
1:30:39
Speaker 3: The, sixth round like that's wild that the range is.
1:30:42
Speaker 3: So huge THERE, in the nba they get a.
1:30:45
Speaker 2: Lot more specific, they'll, be like yeah you got a. First,
1:30:47
Speaker 2: round grade also you're a lottery.
1:30:49
Speaker 3: Pick.
1:30:51
Speaker 2: College basketball now if any of these projections are, to
1:30:56
Speaker 2: be believed and they don't just come, out. Of nowhere
1:30:58
Speaker 2: right the agents have, a good sense the players have.
1:31:01
Speaker 2: A good sense this is a guy who would be
1:31:05
Speaker 2: projected potentially just outside.
1:31:08
Speaker 3: Of the lottery you're.
1:31:10
Speaker 2: Making the same money if you get down to, pick
1:31:12
Speaker 2: number twenty you're probably making more.
1:31:14
Speaker 3: Money in college and this is very.
1:31:16
Speaker 2: Specific to basketball, by the way if you're pick number
1:31:19
Speaker 2: twenty five in, the first round you're making three point
1:31:23
Speaker 2: three million DOLLARS in the nba, your first year but,
1:31:28
Speaker 2: in college hoops if you're making. Four to five that's
1:31:30
Speaker 2: a big difference for a twenty.
1:31:32
Speaker 4: ONE year old i gotta Think that on chilovich got
1:31:36
Speaker 4: like a kind of hazy maybe you're a first round
1:31:39
Speaker 4: pick kind of evaluation from scouts that he talked to
1:31:44
Speaker 4: and his. People talk to and then they looked at
1:31:48
Speaker 4: the rookie pay scale that we just brought, up, and
1:31:49
Speaker 4: went well if you're not guaranteed to be a first
1:31:53
Speaker 4: round if if scouts are the kind of the jury's
1:31:56
Speaker 4: out on that and the most you'd make is just,
1:32:00
Speaker 4: over three million let's just go back to college for,
1:32:03
Speaker 4: one more year kill it again and make four, to
1:32:06
Speaker 4: five million and then hopefully you're guaranteed to be a
1:32:10
Speaker 4: first round pick if you have a great.
1:32:12
Speaker 3: Year, in, college again.
1:32:13
Speaker 2: Uh we are Going to have JEREMY wu espn nba
1:32:18
Speaker 2: draft analyst is going to join Us at one he
1:32:20
Speaker 2: might have some insight on well the Feedback that mam
1:32:24
Speaker 2: chilovich GOT from the nba draft process that helped to
1:32:29
Speaker 2: inspire his decision to go, back to college where we
1:32:32
Speaker 2: will now hold our breath and wait to see where.
1:32:34
Speaker 4: He ends up did you see the Ludicrous Statement that
1:32:38
Speaker 4: greg SNANKY said at sec MEETINGS.
1:32:42
Speaker 2: That the sec is still the number one league. In
1:32:44
Speaker 2: the country he didn't just say they're still the number
1:32:46
Speaker 2: one league. In the country he said they.
1:32:48
Speaker 4: Are by far and then he proceeded to back that
1:32:51
Speaker 4: up by saying we lost close Games In The. College,
1:32:54
Speaker 4: football playoff well hold on being by? Far does not
1:32:58
Speaker 4: you don't back that up by saying we were. Competitive
1:33:00
Speaker 4: In losses.
1:33:03
Speaker 2: If, i'm NOT mistaken the sec was two and eight
1:33:06
Speaker 2: in bowl. Games this year by how? Are the best,
1:33:09
Speaker 2: HERE'S the thing i don't think that should be the
1:33:13
Speaker 2: metric that is always used to determine whether or not a, conference.
1:33:16
Speaker 3: IS good right i think that.
1:33:18
Speaker 2: Is incredibly reductive, there's matchup situations there's, all opt outs
1:33:23
Speaker 2: especially now are your?
1:33:25
Speaker 3: Best players playing are your?
1:33:26
Speaker 2: Best PLAYERS playing so i don't think that should be
1:33:28
Speaker 2: the metric that we determine who the best teams the
1:33:31
Speaker 2: best conference in. The COUNTRY is but i do remember
1:33:34
Speaker 2: very distinctly how aggressively postseason results bowl game results were
1:33:39
Speaker 2: USED against the pac twelve conference TO undermine the. Pac
1:33:43
Speaker 2: twelve conference when, they, were like oh you had a
1:33:45
Speaker 2: you were three and six in bowl. Games this year
1:33:47
Speaker 2: you were two and six in bowl, games this year
1:33:50
Speaker 2: you were five hundred and bowl. Games this year there
1:33:52
Speaker 2: are a lot of people, are, just like see you're
1:33:54
Speaker 2: not playing good. Football out there so if you're gonna
1:33:57
Speaker 2: use IT against, the pac twelve, rest in peace you
1:34:00
Speaker 2: gotta use IT against. The sec two kasanki was one
1:34:03
Speaker 2: of the guys. Pushing, that narrative yeah two to, Eight
1:34:07
Speaker 2: bull record, like you said not the, greatest metric there but.
1:34:11
Speaker 2: Still pretty bad he's he referenced these three specific games
1:34:16
Speaker 2: as to say we were competitive and the ball just
1:34:19
Speaker 2: bounced the wrong.
1:34:19
Speaker 3: Way for us.
1:34:20
Speaker 4: It's an oddball that shouldn't say that we're Definitely behind.
1:34:23
Speaker 4: The big, ten for example he said Twenty Twenty three
1:34:27
Speaker 4: Rose bowl When michigan beat alabama on their Way To
1:34:31
Speaker 4: the national championship a couple. Of years ago obviously one score. Game,
1:34:35
Speaker 4: In overtime okay alabama played. Well and lost the Year
1:34:40
Speaker 4: Later when Ohio state beat Texas And, the cotton bowl
1:34:42
Speaker 4: That Was the jack sawyer incredible stripsack to a touchdown
1:34:46
Speaker 4: that made it a two score game late in. The
1:34:48
Speaker 4: fourth quarter that's basically a. One score game then incredible
1:34:51
Speaker 4: play makes it a. Two score game Then last Year.
1:34:54
Speaker 4: Miami overall, miss he's like that game didn't end. On
1:34:57
Speaker 4: a hill mary that was a legitimate throw into the
1:34:59
Speaker 4: end zone from. Forty yards away that Like they ole
1:35:03
Speaker 4: miss could have won that game and it wasn't. A, desperation,
1:35:05
Speaker 4: thing okay fine it's Very much like Cavs Coach but,
1:35:13
Speaker 4: kenny atkinson saying you know what expected.
1:35:16
Speaker 2: Expected results were analytically we won two.
1:35:20
Speaker 7: Out of, three, it's, like, okay okay uh analytically we
1:35:24
Speaker 7: were really.
1:35:25
Speaker 3: Competitive in losses so that means we're by far the.
1:35:28
Speaker 4: Best football conference if he hadn't as said by far
1:35:32
Speaker 4: and then still use the same, argument to say, you
1:35:34
Speaker 4: know what we're, still right THERE it would i this
1:35:36
Speaker 4: would have set much. Better for me but to, say
1:35:39
Speaker 4: by far and then and then back, it, up with
1:35:41
Speaker 4: hey look at these. Losses we had no, when you
1:35:43
Speaker 4: lose you're not by. FAR the best i, WANT to.
1:35:46
Speaker 2: Know i want truth serum, in, these people right because
1:35:49
Speaker 2: there's there's, like there's propaganda which is pretty normal on,
1:35:55
Speaker 2: a business level and sec football. Is, big business right
1:36:00
Speaker 2: there's certain like company lines that you're almost coached on
1:36:06
Speaker 2: when you're an executive in a company or when you're
1:36:09
Speaker 2: an employee, of a company and, they're, just, like hey
1:36:12
Speaker 2: man what's the.
1:36:13
Speaker 3: Deal, with like.
1:36:15
Speaker 2: Uh this New formula. Of, coca, cola oh yeah we're excited.
1:36:18
Speaker 2: About you know they have to say things. A certain
1:36:20
Speaker 2: way we think you think it tastes better than. Coke ever,
1:36:23
Speaker 2: tasted there's, like you know there's a way that you have.
1:36:26
Speaker 2: To answer, questions you know who's actually the. Master Of
1:36:30
Speaker 2: this dana white if you if you watch any of
1:36:33
Speaker 2: the stuff that's going ON, with The Ufc the white
1:36:35
Speaker 2: house card coming up the pay scale that is always
1:36:38
Speaker 2: critical CRITICIZED. In, the ufc right he, is always like
1:36:44
Speaker 2: well are? You paying players are you? Paying fighters enough instead,
1:36:47
Speaker 2: of saying like here's what, the numbers are here's. Why,
1:36:50
Speaker 2: the numbers hey, you know what pay has gone UP
1:36:52
Speaker 2: in the ufc from. The very beginning it's always gone
1:36:55
Speaker 2: up and it's going to continue. To go up, and
1:36:57
Speaker 2: it's like that's not even an answer. To the, QUESTION
1:37:00
Speaker 2: and you i know you don't believe what you're saying
1:37:03
Speaker 2: when you say that. PAY is good i. KNOW you're
1:37:06
Speaker 2: lying i, want, to Know though if sankie is actually
1:37:10
Speaker 2: lying because it's the company line and it's propaganda that
1:37:14
Speaker 2: he has to perpetrate to keep, the university, presidents athletic,
1:37:18
Speaker 2: directors fans happy.
1:37:20
Speaker 8: Or does he.
1:37:20
Speaker 3: ACTUALLY believe this.
1:37:23
Speaker 7: I.
1:37:23
Speaker 2: Need to know when these coaches go out, and, say
1:37:26
Speaker 2: like yeah anyone else in this league would, be five, hundred, it's,
1:37:29
Speaker 2: like oh really you really Believe That The ohio state
1:37:33
Speaker 2: buckeyes would be five HUNDRED in the? Sec anyone, else
1:37:35
Speaker 2: so see is that really?
1:37:37
Speaker 3: What, you believe well.
1:37:37
Speaker 2: There's copcage schedule, that they play and then someone, is
1:37:41
Speaker 2: always like What about? Your november schedule well we're getting rid,
1:37:44
Speaker 2: OF that, now i know but you've played it that
1:37:46
Speaker 2: way for one hundred years and it's propped you up.
1:37:50
Speaker 3: To this level like do you actually believe these? Things
1:37:52
Speaker 3: you're saying that is a much.
1:37:54
Speaker 2: More, Fascinating prospect here sankie has to say that this
1:38:00
Speaker 2: is the best conference. In The Country like brett yormark
1:38:03
Speaker 2: is going, To, be asked hey where where are you
1:38:05
Speaker 2: Compared to the big TEN. In the sec he's going
1:38:08
Speaker 2: to be asked That question at big, twelve media days and,
1:38:10
Speaker 2: you know what, He's gonna say.
1:38:12
Speaker 4: We're right there, he's gonna say we. Like our positions we're.
1:38:15
Speaker 4: All so close he's not gonna say, we're the best
1:38:17
Speaker 4: because even he's not gonna. Lie that blatantly but, he's
1:38:21
Speaker 4: gonna say we, love our position.
1:38:23
Speaker 2: We, think is kind we think, we're you know we're
1:38:26
Speaker 2: gonna put some teams up there that can compete with.
1:38:29
Speaker 2: Those big boys we've got Access To The. College football
1:38:32
Speaker 2: playoff we can win. A national championship when it's like
1:38:36
Speaker 2: in your, heart of, HEARTS you know i know he
1:38:39
Speaker 2: knows your best team last year Went To The college
1:38:42
Speaker 2: football playoff and.
1:38:43
Speaker 4: Stunk it up he probably if you gave him, truth
1:38:46
Speaker 4: to him, he'd be like we don't have a chance at.
1:38:47
Speaker 4: The national championship i'd love, to BE surprised but i don't.
1:38:51
Speaker 3: Feel that way, you know what.
1:38:52
Speaker 2: It'd be great if, he, was like, well let's see
1:38:55
Speaker 2: EVERYONE at the sec meetings was talking about how forty
1:38:59
Speaker 2: and fifty million team salaries are very soon to. Be,
1:39:03
Speaker 2: a reality there we've only got one school that. Can
1:39:06
Speaker 2: pay that that'd Be Lovely if brett, yormark, said that
1:39:09
Speaker 2: yeah we got. Going to that we got one school
1:39:11
Speaker 2: that can keep up with what the big TEN in
1:39:13
Speaker 2: the sec are offering in terms of a. Salary cap
1:39:16
Speaker 2: one he. Won't say it he. Can't say it why because,
1:39:20
Speaker 2: of the propaganda because of. The company line because you've
1:39:23
Speaker 2: got a board of directors effectively, to KEEP happy and
1:39:27
Speaker 2: i Think That's what greg.
1:39:28
Speaker 3: Sankee is doing there's no way except maybe so you Can.
1:39:32
Speaker 2: In the, south but logically there's no way that you
1:39:36
Speaker 2: could look at the last three years of college, football,
1:39:39
Speaker 2: AND say.
1:39:39
Speaker 3: Yeah sec is still by far. The best conference what are?
1:39:42
Speaker 3: You talking about.
1:39:43
Speaker 4: You JUST can't, like i said if he had said everything,
1:39:46
Speaker 4: BUT by far i wouldn't be near as like are
1:39:49
Speaker 4: you kidding? ME about that i wouldn't have that near
1:39:51
Speaker 4: as much. That strong reaction but the by far is
1:39:55
Speaker 4: what kills.
1:39:55
Speaker 5: Me.
1:39:56
Speaker 2: With THIS now there i GUARANTEE there are sec fans
1:39:58
Speaker 2: who believe that, whole heart wardedly and we'll say it.
1:40:02
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1:40:11
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1:42:54
Speaker 3: Gonna join Us are the jazz gonna stay?
1:42:56
Speaker 2: At number, two if so who is available there For
1:42:59
Speaker 2: them to is there Any chance aj debonsa gets Passed. Over,
1:43:03
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1:43:26
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Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell Show Welcome IN JEREMY Wu Espn nba draft
1:43:42
Speaker 2: analysts to tad all things about, the, upcoming draft, where
1:43:45
Speaker 2: Of Course your utah jazz have for now the number.
1:43:49
Speaker 2: Two Overall Pick jeremy will welcome. To the show, how, Are,
1:43:52
Speaker 2: You sir hey.
1:43:53
Speaker 6: I'm going, man you.
1:43:55
Speaker 2: Know we're excited it's a really interesting time of YEAR
1:43:57
Speaker 2: with the nba playoffs COMING to an nhl playoffs coming,
1:44:01
Speaker 2: to an end and then we get into an offseason
1:44:03
Speaker 2: discussion where there's actually some Optimism For a utah jazz
1:44:07
Speaker 2: team that has been very short on that. In Recent
1:44:10
Speaker 2: Years hopefully walker kessler's situation. Gets figured out but then
1:44:14
Speaker 2: of course there's the question of what to do with the,
1:44:17
Speaker 2: number two pick and what we think is a very
1:44:19
Speaker 2: deep draft that has several maybe. Franchise changing players and
1:44:24
Speaker 2: you've been part. Of these conversations you've. Heard these conversations
1:44:27
Speaker 2: it seems LIKE it's a, Aj Debonsa one, darren peterson
1:44:31
Speaker 2: two or maybe just maybe a. Reversal of that but
1:44:35
Speaker 2: what is the more likely scenario in your mind when
1:44:38
Speaker 2: it comes to those.
1:44:39
Speaker 3: Top, two picks.
1:44:41
Speaker 5: YEAH that's.
1:44:42
Speaker 6: Something i think it really. Is a debate like sometimes
1:44:47
Speaker 6: some of that nuance gets a little bit lost, during the,
1:44:49
Speaker 6: season you know because we talk about number one and
1:44:53
Speaker 6: then you act like it's, been in it but really
1:44:54
Speaker 6: it's been a real argument between those guys, for A
1:44:57
Speaker 6: while so, i don't, know YOU know LIKE i think
1:45:02
Speaker 6: i think lost will THINK it'll be, aj NUMBER one,
1:45:05
Speaker 6: but i. WOULDN'T you know i really do think it's
1:45:09
Speaker 6: kind of, a TOSS up And i think washington has
1:45:12
Speaker 6: to have a. Process With that but i's have the Stays.
1:45:14
Speaker 6: TO the jazz i think you too are really good,
1:45:16
Speaker 6: at number two just, knowing you know if those are your,
1:45:18
Speaker 6: top two guys, you'll. GET one, right i mean it's
1:45:21
Speaker 6: like a pretty pretty low stakes place to just sort
1:45:23
Speaker 6: of sit there and know.
1:45:25
Speaker 1: You'll.
1:45:25
Speaker 2: Get one, obviously you know there's A connection with UTAH
1:45:31
Speaker 2: ownership AND aj deboncea a significant Chunk of the utah
1:45:35
Speaker 2: fan base also HAPPENS to, Be byu fans so there's
1:45:38
Speaker 2: an amount of affection they Have for aj debonca because.
1:45:41
Speaker 2: Of that connection and, part of, that you know leads
1:45:45
Speaker 2: to a conversation, and, be, like well hey if your
1:45:47
Speaker 2: owner really, loves this kid he's the owner and he
1:45:51
Speaker 2: can Go Down to austin ainge's OFFICE and say, i
1:45:55
Speaker 2: want him do what you have to do. TO get
1:45:56
Speaker 2: him i don't Think That's what ryan smith is. Going
1:45:59
Speaker 2: to do because of the quality of everyone else that.
1:46:01
Speaker 2: Is available here but how much of that is a
1:46:05
Speaker 2: realistic discussion in the minds, of, You know outsiders like
1:46:09
Speaker 2: there's no emotional attachment here for most people. In your
1:46:12
Speaker 2: position is there any kind of conversation Realistically About the
1:46:17
Speaker 2: utah jazz moving up to one?
1:46:19
Speaker 3: To Guarantee? Themselves, aj, debonson yeah.
1:46:23
Speaker 6: WELL you know i think it was. Kind of, interesting
1:46:28
Speaker 6: you know, at the combine it was something, people, Were
1:46:30
Speaker 6: discussing right but, it's so early so early, in the
1:46:33
Speaker 6: process where like if there were going, to be, talked
1:46:36
Speaker 6: you know, they haven't started and if they are, going
1:46:38
Speaker 6: to happen those are those things going to happen like later.
1:46:40
Speaker 6: In the process but, but you know it's so, rare
1:46:43
Speaker 6: just objectively if you look at the, history of it
1:46:46
Speaker 6: it's it's very rare that the top picks ever. Change,
1:46:48
Speaker 6: hand's period uh those are hard traits to make for a.
1:46:51
Speaker 6: LOT of, Reasons, I think YEAH i think i think
1:46:54
Speaker 6: you raised, the right, point, like speculatively like is there
1:46:57
Speaker 6: a scenario where not Not Even, just fryan smith but any,
1:47:00
Speaker 6: owner you know holding this type of pick could, could,
1:47:03
Speaker 6: BE like hey i want to push this button and go,
1:47:05
Speaker 6: DO it, right, i mean yes the answer To.
1:47:07
Speaker 7: That.
1:47:07
Speaker 6: Is steewayle yes, BUT you know i think if you
1:47:10
Speaker 6: look at, the big, picture You Know, if i'm utah
1:47:12
Speaker 6: IT'S not something i, would WOULD DO and i i
1:47:14
Speaker 6: don't think there's really any reason to think they're doing
1:47:16
Speaker 6: it as of as. Of right, now just again like
1:47:21
Speaker 6: if you just BREAK down the mac, but, it's like
1:47:22
Speaker 6: yeah you can have whoever your number, one player is
1:47:24
Speaker 6: or you can have whoever your number two players, PLUS,
1:47:27
Speaker 6: you KNOW, x y z. Whatever else assets one thing
1:47:32
Speaker 6: that's true with the number one pick is that the
1:47:34
Speaker 6: ask is always going to be astronomical gifts. At face
1:47:37
Speaker 6: values so just just doing that logic, like to me
1:47:40
Speaker 6: it's it's never been something with A. Sense for, utah
1:47:44
Speaker 6: so again barring some scenario where there'd be a push,
1:47:48
Speaker 6: to DO that like i was surprised if. That's what
1:47:50
Speaker 6: happens but it's part of, why it's fun right.
1:47:53
Speaker 2: Because You know the jazz are. In this position it's
1:47:56
Speaker 2: it behoove someone in my job or anyone, who's you
1:47:59
Speaker 2: know passionate about this team and its fan, base to,
1:48:02
Speaker 2: say all right well what are these guys? Supposed to
1:48:04
Speaker 2: be and, so you know, you go through you, read
1:48:06
Speaker 2: every article you watch as much tape. As you can
1:48:09
Speaker 2: both guys Played In The, big twelve conference so we
1:48:12
Speaker 2: saw a lot. Of them anyway, but you know when
1:48:16
Speaker 2: it comes to projecting at, the next level We had
1:48:20
Speaker 2: a kansas guy on That Was like Darren Peterson.
1:48:23
Speaker 3: Is kobe, bryant, it's like okay?
1:48:25
Speaker 2: Whoa you know and then you'll hear somebody who GOT close, to,
1:48:30
Speaker 2: AJ say Yeah aj debontza is is gonna be A
1:48:36
Speaker 2: Ten time all STAR. In the nba and we use
1:48:39
Speaker 2: these cliches all season long, about oh, wow, deep draft wow, Franchise,
1:48:44
Speaker 2: changing draft wow these guys could be foundational PIECES of
1:48:48
Speaker 2: An nba team when you look at, the top guys
1:48:52
Speaker 2: is that how you?
1:48:53
Speaker 3: Grade them out is that how?
1:48:54
Speaker 5: You?
1:48:54
Speaker 3: SEE them yeah.
1:48:56
Speaker 6: I do think i do think the very time up
1:49:00
Speaker 6: with the draft is. Certainly. A strength right it's one
1:49:03
Speaker 6: of the special things about. This year's draft it's just,
1:49:06
Speaker 6: the you know there are multiple guys he would do as,
1:49:09
Speaker 6: as real prizes guys who in most years would be
1:49:15
Speaker 6: in the. Number one discussion and again You can put
1:49:18
Speaker 6: boozer in. THAT group too a lot. OF people do
1:49:20
Speaker 6: i don't think it's necessarily. What will, HAPPEN but yeah
1:49:25
Speaker 6: i think if you look at these guys that you
1:49:27
Speaker 6: can compare the past years and there are a lot
1:49:29
Speaker 6: of years where you feel really good about. Any of
1:49:31
Speaker 6: them so h and again, you can, Remember You know
1:49:34
Speaker 6: cooper flag was originally in this class before he reclassified.
1:49:36
Speaker 6: In high school so this is the CLASS that the
1:49:39
Speaker 6: nba teams are looking forward to for a, very long
1:49:41
Speaker 6: time and a lot of teams, were you know preparing
1:49:45
Speaker 6: for last year and this year. For a while so
1:49:48
Speaker 6: again knowing with so that it's a lot of your
1:49:49
Speaker 6: forms coming into play moving forward, like this, is you
1:49:52
Speaker 6: know a pretty pretty great year. To move UP so
1:49:54
Speaker 6: it's i Think Truly A, cooper jeb yeah thank.
1:49:58
Speaker 2: Goodness For that jeremy wu is, OUR GAME Here espn.
1:50:01
Speaker 2: Nba draft, analyst Of course the jazz picking, number two
1:50:04
Speaker 2: overall and You mentioned that boozer is kind of in,
1:50:07
Speaker 2: The same discussion i've probably been neglecting what should be
1:50:11
Speaker 2: an obvious question when we talk about the franchise franchise
1:50:15
Speaker 2: changing talent.
1:50:16
Speaker 3: In this draft how many picks down? Does that go
1:50:18
Speaker 3: is it just? The Top? Two is boozer, there, is,
1:50:22
Speaker 3: four five six potentially there.
1:50:26
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:50:26
Speaker 6: TO me, that i mean it's one of the interesting
1:50:30
Speaker 6: things has been the way that people's opinion to sort
1:50:33
Speaker 6: of change as year.
1:50:35
Speaker 2: Has GONE on and i think there.
1:50:36
Speaker 6: Is still some, difference, IN opinion, right i mean there
1:50:39
Speaker 6: are some people who get to the lens of it's THERE,
1:50:40
Speaker 6: in in aj there are some people who boozer, in
1:50:43
Speaker 6: that group and there's some people who think it's, the
1:50:44
Speaker 6: top four Right With with KALEN wilson that i do
1:50:48
Speaker 6: think that's kind of where the, Drop off is, like it's,
1:50:51
Speaker 6: not you know necessarily, a huge one but and it
1:50:54
Speaker 6: kind of depends what you think of the next. Group
1:50:55
Speaker 6: Of Guys, WITH keton, woggler i mean there are a
1:50:58
Speaker 6: lot of promising guards and that. Bucket OF players but
1:51:01
Speaker 6: i think you we're talking about the guys we feel
1:51:04
Speaker 6: Good About being all, stars or beyond and they're three
1:51:07
Speaker 6: or four. Of those guys so that's. What i'd say
1:51:11
Speaker 6: but there is again that hasn't really been, a, True
1:51:15
Speaker 6: consensus right like WE could say aj is the, favorite
1:51:17
Speaker 6: NUMBER one but i wouldn't say he's the consensus, number
1:51:20
Speaker 6: one pick which is AGAIN that's why i. Think it debate.
1:51:24
Speaker 2: So you got to WATCH the current nba playoffs and
1:51:29
Speaker 2: put whatever happens in this draft, against THAT backdrop and
1:51:32
Speaker 2: i find Myself chuckling, because, i'm Like man the jazz
1:51:35
Speaker 2: are Gonna, Get aj or They're Gonna, Get DARREN peterson
1:51:39
Speaker 2: and i, think that guy, whoever it is might spend
1:51:42
Speaker 2: his entire Career Wishing That victor webbin yama didn't Exist In.
1:51:47
Speaker 2: The western conference, and You know the jazz went through
1:51:50
Speaker 2: this thirty Years Ago with michael, jordan being alive and
1:51:54
Speaker 2: you had two top FIFTY players in nba history on
1:51:56
Speaker 2: the same team together, for two decades and they could
1:51:59
Speaker 2: never get, over, the hump unfortunately because they coincided With
1:52:03
Speaker 2: some of.
1:52:04
Speaker 3: Jordan's, best years.
1:52:06
Speaker 2: Yes, these are young, incredibly talented, PLAYERS and yes I
1:52:09
Speaker 2: think the jazz have made really good moves with the
1:52:12
Speaker 2: trade To Bring in, jaron jackson. Junior et cetera but
1:52:16
Speaker 2: when you when you, See you know washington, Where they
1:52:19
Speaker 2: are utah, where they are and you see what the
1:52:22
Speaker 2: rest of the, LEAGUE looks, like i mean how much
1:52:24
Speaker 2: more is it going to Take Even for utah jazz
1:52:27
Speaker 2: team to get into the Same Conversation as Oklahoma City
1:52:31
Speaker 2: and san?
1:52:31
Speaker 3: Antonio?
1:52:32
Speaker 6: Right, now, YEAH well, look, i think yes you make.
1:52:37
Speaker 6: A good point i think there is the existential crisis
1:52:40
Speaker 6: facing a LOT of the nba, about you know what
1:52:42
Speaker 6: do you do with the sky for the next ten.
1:52:44
Speaker 6: To fifteen years but you know THAT'S something that i
1:52:48
Speaker 6: think also, to your point that's this is. The cycle
1:52:50
Speaker 6: here there's always going to, be you know two or
1:52:52
Speaker 6: three dominant guys and those teams are. Going to dominate
1:52:54
Speaker 6: but if you look At how Okay see and sam tell, you, About,
1:52:58
Speaker 6: there right like how do they get toosition, That they're
1:53:00
Speaker 6: in it's because, They were patient it's because they had
1:53:03
Speaker 6: a process and maybe a really good job, of you
1:53:05
Speaker 6: know evaluating on the margins right like, they're you know
1:53:09
Speaker 6: okay see particularly is. A different, thing you know what
1:53:11
Speaker 6: they've done is. Probably the gig it's like a large,
1:53:14
Speaker 6: scale every, level you know hitting along all. These different
1:53:17
Speaker 6: PICKS but like i think you Look at, WHAT utah's
1:53:20
Speaker 6: doing i think they had a good amount of foresight
1:53:22
Speaker 6: with the, trades, they made right they're positioning themselves to
1:53:25
Speaker 6: at least take a step, forward next year and that's
1:53:27
Speaker 6: all you can do and then you get the lottery
1:53:28
Speaker 6: luck what, you go, FORWARD you know i think it's
1:53:31
Speaker 6: about as well as the plans can go, to, This
1:53:33
Speaker 6: POINT right so i think it's having a lot of teams.
1:53:36
Speaker 6: To DEAL with and i also think if you think too,
1:53:38
Speaker 6: hard about it it's probably. A little depressing, but you
1:53:42
Speaker 6: know you got to find a way. TO beat them
1:53:43
Speaker 6: i think that's part of the challenge and fun of of,
1:53:46
Speaker 6: what you know? What teams, do you know you're always
1:53:48
Speaker 6: always trying to.
1:53:48
Speaker 1: Be THE best.
1:53:51
Speaker 2: Jeremy i dang near through a party on the air
1:53:53
Speaker 2: when the RESULTS of the nba player anonymous poll came
1:53:58
Speaker 2: out about what what place do you not want? To
1:54:00
Speaker 2: Go play and memphis had like thirty percent of THE
1:54:05
Speaker 2: respondent saying i don't want To. Be in memphis And
1:54:07
Speaker 2: For the utah jazz the percentage they were, LIKE fifth
1:54:12
Speaker 2: worst i guess. In the league for lack of a
1:54:15
Speaker 2: better way. To put that where of, course we've, been
1:54:18
Speaker 2: you know self conscious about. Battling the narrative nobody wants
1:54:21
Speaker 2: To Be In. Salt lake city this is NOT a, good,
1:54:23
Speaker 2: Nba city right there's no Black culture in utah and
1:54:26
Speaker 2: a lot, of the players best players in the league
1:54:29
Speaker 2: are just not going to fit, In well there they're
1:54:31
Speaker 2: not going.
1:54:31
Speaker 3: To like it there no free agents want.
1:54:34
Speaker 2: To go there and you know that is a question
1:54:36
Speaker 2: about an upcoming draft where one of the guys already,
1:54:41
Speaker 2: likes the state family already lives here, in the state
1:54:43
Speaker 2: high school and college.
1:54:45
Speaker 3: In the state another guy it's more of. A question
1:54:47
Speaker 3: mark we.
1:54:47
Speaker 2: Don't really know, and number three, by the way was
1:54:50
Speaker 2: born in. The dang state, so it's like does that
1:54:54
Speaker 2: MATTER in today's nba? In your opinion.
1:55:00
Speaker 6: Ask you just a question of of like? Comfort, upper, level,
1:55:03
Speaker 6: WELL like, yeah i.
1:55:03
Speaker 2: Mean is it's something that you should consider If you're
1:55:06
Speaker 2: the ages and You're in that jazz front office, and,
1:55:09
Speaker 2: you're like man We Really love darren peterson and we
1:55:13
Speaker 2: hope that he Will come To Utah like ace bailey
1:55:16
Speaker 2: did and Realize. He likes utah but these, Other Two
1:55:19
Speaker 2: guys cam bloozer has very obvious connections here is dad works,
1:55:23
Speaker 2: for the Team and aj deboncea has very. Obvious connections,
1:55:26
Speaker 2: here and again change the calculus on what you want
1:55:29
Speaker 2: to do, with that pick because from a sustainability standpoint
1:55:33
Speaker 2: of keeping somebody here after.
1:55:35
Speaker 6: You draft, HIM oh yeah i. UNDERSTAND you're SAYING i
1:55:38
Speaker 6: mean i DON'T think so i, think for me like
1:55:42
Speaker 6: just MY opinion is i think you just got to pick.
1:55:44
Speaker 6: Who you want you gotta take the best guy because
1:55:45
Speaker 6: the future, is, So IMPREDICTABLE right like i think winning
1:55:49
Speaker 6: here's a. Lot of things but, also you know they're
1:55:51
Speaker 6: very punny of, instances where historically like you hope a,
1:55:54
Speaker 6: guy doesn't leave but at the end, of the day
1:55:56
Speaker 6: the biggest things if, you don't win that's when players
1:55:59
Speaker 6: tend to, Get, Hits you RIGHT so it's, i don't
1:56:01
Speaker 6: know Did anyone think lebron was going To be a,
1:56:03
Speaker 6: cleland you know in two thousand and three when, he
1:56:05
Speaker 6: got there and you know it's, a, hometown team right
1:56:07
Speaker 6: so like eventually we, know what happened but like there's
1:56:09
Speaker 6: just no way to. Predict the future and that's. That's my, point,
1:56:12
Speaker 6: so like yes it's like, a NICE bonus BUT i
1:56:15
Speaker 6: think i think you're just taking what you WANT just
1:56:17
Speaker 6: because i think it would be, probably the wrong wrong
1:56:19
Speaker 6: way to approach such, a you know high value franchise.
1:56:23
Speaker 6: TEAMS AND picks.
1:56:25
Speaker 2: Espn Nba Draft analyst jeremy wu for a couple more
1:56:28
Speaker 2: minutes Here on the. Sean O'Connell show we were talking
1:56:31
Speaker 2: earlier about the players that had to make a decision
1:56:35
Speaker 2: last night about whether they're going to come back to
1:56:37
Speaker 2: college hoops or they're going to STAY through this nba
1:56:40
Speaker 2: draft process and hopefully hear. Their names called and how
1:56:44
Speaker 2: different that process is now than it was five or
1:56:47
Speaker 2: ten years ago because, of the big fat nil figures
1:56:51
Speaker 2: attached with the top players that you know might be,
1:56:56
Speaker 2: mid first round, late first round.
1:56:58
Speaker 3: Second round picks it's.
1:56:59
Speaker 2: Kind of a no er now to come back because
1:57:01
Speaker 2: if you're that good of a, College Basketball player saint
1:57:05
Speaker 2: john's wants to pay you, Five million bucks kentucky wants
1:57:08
Speaker 2: to pay you, Four million bucks arizona is going to
1:57:11
Speaker 2: give you a couple of cars in a. House or
1:57:12
Speaker 2: whatever and, JUST you know i know you were you
1:57:16
Speaker 2: were tweeting about this and taking a. Look at this
1:57:18
Speaker 2: were there any surprises for you of the guys that
1:57:20
Speaker 2: were kind of on that borderline either staying in the
1:57:23
Speaker 2: draft process or making the announcement that they're going back.
1:57:26
Speaker 3: To college hoops.
1:57:29
Speaker 6: As far as the, decisions from yesterday. ACTUALLY not really
1:57:32
Speaker 6: i think it kind of, went the, WAY you know,
1:57:34
Speaker 6: i was expecting just just based OFF of what i
1:57:38
Speaker 6: was hearing and sort of what where, players stocks, were
1:57:41
Speaker 6: you know. LIKE for contact i was looking at, this
1:57:44
Speaker 6: this morning like on my last top, one hundred rankings
1:57:47
Speaker 6: like the two highest players who went back and this
1:57:50
Speaker 6: is following the combine were ranked twenty, nine, And thirty
1:57:52
Speaker 6: right so that gives you an IDEA of like i
1:57:55
Speaker 6: think a lot of guys who feel like they're in
1:57:57
Speaker 6: the first like still want. To go, pro you know
1:58:00
Speaker 6: there were some decisions earlier, in the Process Guys like
1:58:02
Speaker 6: Thomas Hawk and rylan mullins who are going to, be
1:58:05
Speaker 6: you know big earners and be stars in college again
1:58:07
Speaker 6: next year and then trying to move up in, twenty,
1:58:10
Speaker 6: Seven draft right but it really has changed the. Calculus,
1:58:13
Speaker 6: AND all, no, i think, like you know twenty five
1:58:16
Speaker 6: to THIRTY guys who i viewed as like top one hundred.
1:58:18
Speaker 6: Players WENT back so i DON'T think the nba, really
1:58:21
Speaker 6: minds this, To BE HONEST like i i think it's
1:58:24
Speaker 6: you get more time. To evaluate guys they tend to
1:58:26
Speaker 6: be more ready when they when they come. To the
1:58:28
Speaker 6: pros the players have to learn how to manage, their,
1:58:31
Speaker 6: money earlier right like something you know, in the past
1:58:34
Speaker 6: as far as it can be a pitfall, for YOU know.
1:58:36
Speaker 6: Teenage NBA players so i think on a. Lot of
1:58:39
Speaker 6: levels it's OKAY, for the nba.
1:58:41
Speaker 5: But it has.
1:58:42
Speaker 6: Changed the draft it's definitely definitely takes away from sort
1:58:45
Speaker 6: of the depths in that middle middle of the draft
1:58:47
Speaker 6: of twenty.
1:58:47
Speaker 2: To, FORTY five well i was just going to ask
1:58:49
Speaker 2: you if they if you know that this trend has
1:58:52
Speaker 2: changed the way that the pre draft process and the
1:58:55
Speaker 2: evaluation and specifically the communication that teams have, with you
1:59:01
Speaker 2: know the folks helping these players. Make their decisions because
1:59:04
Speaker 2: IF you're an nba, guy who's like, You know what
1:59:07
Speaker 2: i'm willing to deal with the eighteen year old kid
1:59:10
Speaker 2: who's bad, with HIS money so i have a couple
1:59:12
Speaker 2: extra years WITH him so i. Can develop him and
1:59:15
Speaker 2: then there's probably a lot of PEOPLE in the nba
1:59:16
Speaker 2: who ARE just like i would rather not mess with
1:59:18
Speaker 2: THAT so that i can focus on the task at
1:59:21
Speaker 2: Hand here and i'll let them develop and make their
1:59:24
Speaker 2: mistakes while they're still in college because now this is
1:59:28
Speaker 2: a much, more viable thing and it is much more
1:59:30
Speaker 2: viable for players to go BACK and make nba level money.
1:59:35
Speaker 2: In college basketball has, the communications style transparency at all
1:59:42
Speaker 2: change to your knowledge when it comes to a team's
1:59:45
Speaker 2: role in helping these players decide.
1:59:47
Speaker 1: WHAT to do i.
1:59:50
Speaker 6: DON'T think SO i think i think it benefits teams
1:59:52
Speaker 6: to have good relationships with agents. And VICE versa so
1:59:55
Speaker 6: i do think there's a lot, of you know helpful
1:59:58
Speaker 6: feedback that does book directions as players. Make these decisions
2:00:03
Speaker 6: some of this, just bears, out you know in different
2:00:04
Speaker 6: ways with the combine and. Different evaluation settings, and, you
2:00:08
Speaker 6: know again remember teams are bringing in guys behind the.
2:00:10
Speaker 6: Scenes for workouts they've been doing it for. A few
2:00:12
Speaker 6: weeks these team is a little bit different with how.
2:00:14
Speaker 6: They approach it but at the end, of the day
2:00:16
Speaker 6: like these guys will end up with enough feedback to make.
2:00:20
Speaker 6: The right, call but again having this, for most, guys
2:00:24
Speaker 6: you know this financial, PARACHUTE of hey i, CAN go
2:00:26
Speaker 6: back i can, GO to college i can make. Really good,
2:00:28
Speaker 6: money you know some guys can do it. For multiple,
2:00:32
Speaker 6: years and again like point guards and centers are probably
2:00:34
Speaker 6: the most things that are most valuable and hard to.
2:00:36
Speaker 6: Find in college like those guys can really really make
2:00:39
Speaker 6: a really good type of change before. They TURN pro
2:00:42
Speaker 6: so i think it's. Good all, around you know we'll.
2:00:45
Speaker 6: See the landscape teams, always be changing so we'll see
2:00:48
Speaker 6: you know if it's able to sort of state its
2:00:49
Speaker 6: way in terms of, the DOLLAR figures but i do
2:00:52
Speaker 6: think it's. Been overall positive.
2:00:57
Speaker 3: Who do you?
2:00:57
Speaker 2: Think wins Tonight between Sant Antio? And oklahoma city let's
2:01:04
Speaker 2: go that's, what, we need right that's.
2:01:06
Speaker 3: What we want.
2:01:08
Speaker 2: I'm Fascinated with san, antonio because, obviously you know there's
2:01:12
Speaker 2: a proximity thing Here With the utah JAZZ and and
2:01:15
Speaker 2: i think that they are going to be the team
2:01:17
Speaker 2: that stands the way of some significant Development For a
2:01:20
Speaker 2: utah jazz franchise that is now desperate to. Try Winning
2:01:24
Speaker 2: again But victor wemb minyama is just impossible for me.
2:01:28
Speaker 2: To root against is he taking a little bit more
2:01:32
Speaker 2: of a heeled turn? In this, series you know maybe
2:01:34
Speaker 2: ordering a hit on A on, an okc player Skipping,
2:01:38
Speaker 2: some media like is he shaking off a little bit
2:01:41
Speaker 2: of the universally loved boy scout image?
2:01:45
Speaker 1: IN this.
2:01:45
Speaker 3: SERIES i wouldn't i wouldn't.
2:01:49
Speaker 6: Go that far i'm just saying. The, guy's competitive like
2:01:51
Speaker 6: knowing him, A little bit I think he i think
2:01:56
Speaker 6: it it all comes from the right place of. Competitiveness with,
2:01:59
Speaker 6: him and again this is this is a really his
2:02:01
Speaker 6: first like true huge tests, on THIS stage and i
2:02:05
Speaker 6: think it's it's exciting and interesting to watch him sort of.
2:02:08
Speaker 6: Solve this, puzzle To me so i've been enjoying just
2:02:12
Speaker 6: sort of watching. Him EXPERIENCE this, and i mean the
2:02:15
Speaker 6: guys obviously, such A talent so i'm trying to.
2:02:19
Speaker 2: See what happened we've been making a big deal in
2:02:22
Speaker 2: these last few days, about the, uh the flopping the
2:02:25
Speaker 2: foul merchant sort of. Reputation of it now A two
2:02:28
Speaker 2: Time Mvp And shake GILDAS alexander and i guess by Extension,
2:02:32
Speaker 2: that whole okay see team and you go back Like
2:02:35
Speaker 2: It was dwayne wade who was the poster boy for
2:02:37
Speaker 2: THIS when the nba was putting in their their anti
2:02:41
Speaker 2: flopping fines and. THINGS like that i don't think anything serious.
2:02:46
Speaker 2: CAME of that i don't think it. WAS really enforced
2:02:49
Speaker 2: i obviously we're still seeing it happen a lot. In
2:02:51
Speaker 2: the game is it SOMETHING that the nba is going
2:02:54
Speaker 2: to have to look at the way they did? The,
2:02:56
Speaker 2: TANKING thing.
2:02:58
Speaker 6: Honestly. I don't know i don't have. His On, Clopping, take,
2:03:00
Speaker 6: clake honestly man people have been plopping, for, Thirty YEARS
2:03:04
Speaker 6: man like i remember being a Kid Watching like Reggie
2:03:07
Speaker 6: miller And, lade and manu and like this is all.
2:03:10
Speaker 6: We doing it, it's not new it's part. Of the
2:03:12
Speaker 6: game it's. Scans the ship i'm. Not a referee i'm
2:03:15
Speaker 6: not gonna pretend that i'd have an expert take on
2:03:18
Speaker 6: how they should. Appreciate these things, BUT to me i
2:03:20
Speaker 6: think it's just it's part of sports and people always,
2:03:24
Speaker 6: gonna hate it but he'll always be.
2:03:25
Speaker 3: Part, OF it yeah i think you're probably. Right on that.
2:03:29
Speaker 2: Appreciate you giving us. Some time today we'll check it
2:03:31
Speaker 2: again right around draft time if that. Works, for, you,
2:03:34
Speaker 2: YEAH thanks man. I Appreciate It THAT'S JEREMY Wu espn.
2:03:37
Speaker 2: Nba draft analyst some good thoughts there On what the
2:03:42
Speaker 2: jazz may or. May not do, and of course the
2:03:45
Speaker 2: strength of this. Class really interesting when you talk about a, deep, draft,
2:03:50
Speaker 2: class right well we're really talking about is deep lottery class.
2:03:55
Speaker 3: Because guys in the lottery are staying. In the draft
2:03:57
Speaker 3: they're staying.
2:03:58
Speaker 2: In the lottery what we are learning is that folks
2:04:01
Speaker 2: with the decision between kind of pick twenty to thirty in,
2:04:06
Speaker 2: that first round it's a real.
2:04:08
Speaker 3: Decision, TO make now.
2:04:10
Speaker 2: I mean your agent has, To, be like okay you're
2:04:13
Speaker 2: gonna be pick, number twenty five that's right around, three
2:04:17
Speaker 2: million dollars and then you as a player, are, PROBABLY
2:04:21
Speaker 2: going well i want to be.
2:04:22
Speaker 3: A pro now i don't want to have. A class
2:04:23
Speaker 3: load i don't want to be.
2:04:25
Speaker 2: IN college anymore i want to, go play, alongside You
2:04:30
Speaker 2: Know the lebron jameses of the world.
2:04:35
Speaker 3: Before he's GONE. From the Nba so maybe i'm. Gonna
2:04:37
Speaker 3: jump in but.
2:04:39
Speaker 2: It's not like there's a negligible difference between three million
2:04:44
Speaker 2: dollars of salary and five potentially up to five million
2:04:49
Speaker 2: dollars of nil money from some of these big time.
2:04:52
Speaker 3: Basketball blue bloods.
2:04:53
Speaker 2: If you're a top fifteen player in college hoops coming
2:04:58
Speaker 2: out of the twenty, two five season you're GOING to.
2:05:02
Speaker 2: The nba draft if you're number, sixteen through thirty you
2:05:08
Speaker 2: don't know if you are because the money might actually
2:05:11
Speaker 2: be better coming.
2:05:12
Speaker 3: Back to college do you know how?
2:05:13
Speaker 2: Crazy that is it's not that. Way in football we've,
2:05:18
Speaker 2: Been through this we've. Talked about this if you're a
2:05:21
Speaker 2: first round draft, pick in football it's a no brainer
2:05:24
Speaker 2: that you're GOING to the nfl draft because the nil,
2:05:27
Speaker 2: money in football unless you are a quarterback who's Going,
2:05:32
Speaker 2: To Like, Oregon, ohio state texas the money is just. Not,
2:05:36
Speaker 2: the same yeah you can get, paid a, million two
2:05:39
Speaker 2: million maybe even three million as, an offensive tackle but
2:05:44
Speaker 2: most GUYS, in the nfl it's it's a no brainer
2:05:48
Speaker 2: to go to the draft if you're anything above middle of.
2:05:50
Speaker 2: The third round we're talking about middle of the first ROUND.
2:05:53
Speaker 2: In the nba THAT'S how big nil money has gotten.
2:05:57
Speaker 2: In college hoops it's a small sam it's a tiny
2:06:00
Speaker 2: little group of guys that garner that. Level of money
2:06:03
Speaker 2: but guess. Who they are they're the guys that are
2:06:06
Speaker 2: the middle of the first ROUND.
2:06:08
Speaker 5: In.
2:06:09
Speaker 3: The nba yeah and.
2:06:12
Speaker 4: The reason one of THE reasons why nil money is
2:06:16
Speaker 4: so much higher is because, there's. Less, players right yeah
2:06:19
Speaker 4: we heard this narrative about when it seemed like a
2:06:24
Speaker 4: lot more money was BEING spent on byu BASKETBALL players than.
2:06:29
Speaker 4: Byu football players over this past, year eighteen months that's that's,
2:06:34
Speaker 4: been talked about and a lot of the people that
2:06:37
Speaker 4: are DONATING to the nil COLLECTIVES and the nil, pool,
2:06:40
Speaker 4: ARE saying WELL i can i can donate this much
2:06:45
Speaker 4: To help aj bonsa GET here and byu Could Win,
2:06:49
Speaker 4: the big twelve which, obviously didn't happen but that. WAS
2:06:51
Speaker 4: the thought i could spend the same amount of money
2:06:54
Speaker 4: On getting bear BACHMEYER here and byu might be Fifth in. The, Big,
2:07:01
Speaker 4: twelve right like there's it's just there's so many more
2:07:04
Speaker 4: variables with. Football than basketball and basketball it just seems
2:07:07
Speaker 4: like you get, the best player you have a chance to.
2:07:09
Speaker 4: Win big football it's not. Necessarily the case so there's
2:07:12
Speaker 4: that a, lot less players so you got to think
2:07:17
Speaker 4: about as far as their decision whether to stay or
2:07:19
Speaker 4: not based on where they are in. THE first round
2:07:23
Speaker 4: nba has guaranteed contracts except for if you're a, second
2:07:27
Speaker 4: round pick so that that's also, A big thing like,
2:07:30
Speaker 4: if You are, like jeremy said his twenty ninth and
2:07:34
Speaker 4: thirtieth ranked guys on his, own big board late first round.
2:07:38
Speaker 4: Kind of thing those guys going, back to, school, THEY'RE
2:07:42
Speaker 4: like well i may not get.
2:07:45
Speaker 3: A guaranteed contract my agent.
2:07:47
Speaker 4: Doesn't like that let's get a guaranteed contract to stay
2:07:51
Speaker 4: through nil.
2:07:52
Speaker 3: In college instead arizona has coming.
2:07:56
Speaker 2: Back next Year they've Got, carchenkov and krevis And They're
2:08:01
Speaker 2: losing braden burry's and they're losing coepete and, so they're, like,
2:08:06
Speaker 2: all right well we have two of three really important. Pieces,
2:08:10
Speaker 2: in it like you don't have to have five elite starters.
2:08:13
Speaker 2: In college hoops it's not realistic to get those, you
2:08:15
Speaker 2: want them it's not realistic, to, Get that right so, They're,
2:08:19
Speaker 2: just like okay we got To get another. Two's not
2:08:21
Speaker 2: enough we got to get. Another elite player and if,
2:08:25
Speaker 2: they get that they're once again at or near the
2:08:28
Speaker 2: top of the, college basketball conference at Least in. The
2:08:32
Speaker 2: big twelve they're a tournament team at, the, very LEAST
2:08:35
Speaker 2: right which i know is Not. Enough AT arizona but
2:08:38
Speaker 2: i think you understand my point if you to the
2:08:41
Speaker 2: point that you.
2:08:41
Speaker 3: Were just MAKING if you're byu, and you're, like, all
2:08:45
Speaker 3: right BOOM.
2:08:45
Speaker 2: We got lj martin and We, Got bear bachmeyer like
2:08:49
Speaker 2: all we need is, one more guy, and then no
2:08:53
Speaker 2: you need twenty.
2:08:53
Speaker 3: One more guys it's just. A different math pretty wild
2:09:02
Speaker 3: what's HAPPENING With.
2:09:03
Speaker 2: The nba draft it is a deep draft, at the
2:09:06
Speaker 2: top and now the middle and bottom of that first
2:09:10
Speaker 2: round and the whole second round is missing the guys
2:09:15
Speaker 2: that in previous years would be there because those guys
2:09:19
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2:09:21
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2:09:31
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2:09:33
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2:09:40
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2:09:41
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2:09:46
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2:09:53
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2:10:04
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2:10:13
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2:10:18
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2:10:21
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2:10:24
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2:10:29
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2:10:33
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2:10:37
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2:10:39
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2:10:44
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2:10:46
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2:10:51
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2:10:54
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2:10:58
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2:11:01
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2:11:04
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2:11:10
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2:11:13
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2:11:16
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2:11:19
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2:11:21
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2:11:25
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2:17:13
Speaker 2: games all right the enhanced games are a New Thing
2:17:18
Speaker 2: from max martin where you're allowed, to take steroids you're allowed,
2:17:24
Speaker 2: to blood dope you're allowed, to take stimulants you're allowed
2:17:28
Speaker 2: to do all the things you're not allowed to do in,
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Speaker 2: regular international, competition, professional competition whatever with the idea behind this,
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2:17:38
Speaker 2: human body is truly capable of with all the miracles
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Speaker 2: of modern technology and pharmaceutical and. Things like that so
2:17:45
Speaker 2: you saw some athletes that you recognize, that you know trying.
2:17:48
Speaker 2: To break Records In, these enhanced games you saw some
2:17:52
Speaker 2: people that you've never heard of that were, just you
2:17:55
Speaker 2: know juicing themselves onto. A world stage and one of
2:17:58
Speaker 2: the things that was Offered By this enhanced games was
2:18:03
Speaker 2: if you Come Into the enhance games and You break an,
2:18:05
Speaker 2: olympic world record or you break an official world record,
2:18:09
Speaker 2: while you're enhanced while you're using, performance enhancing drugs we will.
2:18:14
Speaker 2: Still give you if you break, A world record we'll
2:18:17
Speaker 2: give you. A million dollars and so a bunch of
2:18:20
Speaker 2: people like. Got that's easy. I'm gonna go i'm already a.
2:18:23
Speaker 2: Very fast swimmer i'm gonna go take a, bunch Of
2:18:25
Speaker 2: juice and i'm gonna end up being the fastest swimmer.
2:18:29
Speaker 2: In the world and, BY the way i did see some.
2:18:31
Speaker 2: OF the highlights i watched the little brief. Snippets of this,
2:18:34
Speaker 2: you could physically you could easily see the difference between
2:18:38
Speaker 2: Like even, Elite olympic Swimmers I'm talking michael phelps and.
2:18:44
Speaker 3: Elite swimmers that are. Also on gear their.
2:18:47
Speaker 2: Bodies are different You know, how olympic, swimmers college swimmers
2:18:52
Speaker 2: they all have that like sort of.
2:18:55
Speaker 3: There's a, ton of muscle but it's not.
2:18:57
Speaker 2: Like bulging muscle they don't have striations visible most. Of
2:19:02
Speaker 2: the time they've got this very broad. Like stingray back
2:19:06
Speaker 2: but it doesn't Look like an. Olympic wrestler's back it
2:19:09
Speaker 2: doesn't look like. A bodybuilder's back well that's how it
2:19:13
Speaker 2: Looked At, the, enhanced games right guys with their their
2:19:15
Speaker 2: trap popping up and busting their. One piece swimsuits only
2:19:22
Speaker 2: one world record was Broken At. The Enhanced games Former
2:19:28
Speaker 2: Olympic sprinter fred curley juiced and Tried To break. Usain
2:19:33
Speaker 2: boltz record he. Came up short that was one of
2:19:35
Speaker 2: the most like prominent. Of, the competitions hey what happens
2:19:40
Speaker 2: when you let people take performance enhancing drugs and then chase.
2:19:44
Speaker 2: These world records the fifty meter swim freestyle swim was
2:19:49
Speaker 2: the only world record. That was broken that's once down
2:19:52
Speaker 2: the pool is like that. Is a sprint that was
2:19:56
Speaker 2: the one million. Dollar record broken so guess what Happens With.
2:19:59
Speaker 2: The enhanced games. They're doubling down they're actually, not doubling
2:20:04
Speaker 2: down they're. Ten xing, Down Next, year enhanced games if
2:20:12
Speaker 2: You Can break usain bolt's world record in one. Hundred
2:20:16
Speaker 2: meters dash it's a ten million dollar prize instead, of
2:20:20
Speaker 2: one MILLION it's ten i guess, the, thinking is well
2:20:25
Speaker 2: you guys didn't. Do enough steroids you, weren't juicing enough you.
2:20:29
Speaker 2: Weren't doping enough so we're now going to tell you,
2:20:33
Speaker 2: go do more and we'll give you even more money
2:20:35
Speaker 2: if you're capable. OF doing it i actually loved finding
2:20:39
Speaker 2: Out That the enhanced games did not yield a bunch of.
2:20:41
Speaker 2: WORLD record results, I, love, that, like, yeah yeah yeah
2:20:44
Speaker 2: steroids they, make you better they, make you stronger they.
2:20:47
Speaker 3: Make you faster, We know this we've seen. It multiple
2:20:50
Speaker 3: times but.
2:20:53
Speaker 2: It proved that these elite athletes, the true difference like
2:20:56
Speaker 2: the elite elite elite athletes are so special that even
2:21:01
Speaker 2: an above average human being with pharmaceutical help cannot outperform.
2:21:07
Speaker 4: Them Any chance barry bond's former agent or somebody in his,
2:21:13
Speaker 4: group are, like, hold on hey did? You see this
2:21:15
Speaker 4: you should let Me in The hall, of FAME now.
2:21:17
Speaker 4: Because i don't it doesn't. Help that, much you see
2:21:20
Speaker 4: we'll See. The enhance games, well.
2:21:21
Speaker 2: That's actually that's actually one of the things that that
2:21:24
Speaker 2: People Use against barry bonds. All the, time, it's like
2:21:27
Speaker 2: dude You were A hall of fame player before you
2:21:29
Speaker 2: ever got.
2:21:30
Speaker 3: Involved in this what?
2:21:31
Speaker 4: Do you have but he had at least, FOUR hundred
2:21:34
Speaker 4: homers i, want to say before he before his body
2:21:37
Speaker 4: started to like just completely get.
2:21:40
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2:21:44
Speaker 2: it way earlier. In, his Career yeah he mark McGuire
2:21:48
Speaker 2: maybe would not Have ever been mark. McGuire without that
2:21:50
Speaker 2: he was still he was already, a good player but
2:21:53
Speaker 2: he maybe would have never been like a star a
2:21:56
Speaker 2: topic of, conversation, Without That right barry bonds was going
2:22:02
Speaker 2: To be A hall of fame baseball player and then
2:22:05
Speaker 2: he took steroids and he hit more home runs than,
2:22:07
Speaker 2: anyone's ever hit and people, were, just like, yeah but
2:22:10
Speaker 2: dude like look, What you did.
2:22:12
Speaker 3: Like why did? You do that doesn't?
2:22:14
Speaker 4: MAKE Any sense a rod similar although he did it
2:22:19
Speaker 4: earlier in His career than, bonds did too but that
2:22:21
Speaker 4: he had the makings of everything you need To be
2:22:24
Speaker 4: A hall of fame, player without this why why?
2:22:27
Speaker 2: GO to this i also think it's hilarious that people
2:22:31
Speaker 2: think that just offering that the organizers of this event
2:22:34
Speaker 2: think that upping the anti ten xing the prize, money,
2:22:38
Speaker 2: SAYING well okay i.
2:22:40
Speaker 3: Will give you.
2:22:40
Speaker 2: Ten million dollars all you have to do is be
2:22:42
Speaker 2: faster than the fastest man in the history.
2:22:44
Speaker 3: Of the, world, it's, like yeah okay. THAT'S not possible.
2:22:50
Speaker 7: I don't care we're gonna let you potentially ruin Your
2:22:53
Speaker 7: body with with, ALL these drugs i could, take every, peptide,
2:22:58
Speaker 7: growth hormone steroil testosterone enhancement that the human race has ever.
2:23:04
Speaker 2: BEEN aware of i could inject all of it, into
2:23:07
Speaker 2: MY body and i could, sprint all day every day
2:23:11
Speaker 2: from now Until The, next enhance games and there's still
2:23:15
Speaker 2: no chance IN hell that i WOULD be run i
2:23:17
Speaker 2: would run, faster Than. You sain bolt it's just not
2:23:21
Speaker 2: there's like a body. MECHANICS issue here i love. What
2:23:25
Speaker 2: they're doing it's, grabbing a headline it's making me. Talk
2:23:27
Speaker 2: about it but the fact that, they're just, like all
2:23:31
Speaker 2: right ten million to the first man who becomes the.
2:23:34
Speaker 3: Fastest man ever.
2:23:36
Speaker 4: Maybe it was. A, MOTIVATION problem no i don't know
2:23:39
Speaker 4: if They weren't motivatd.
2:23:40
Speaker 2: If somebody walks up to you and, It's just like
2:23:42
Speaker 2: i'll give you, ten million dollars you just have To
2:23:44
Speaker 2: Dunk Over. Victor wembin, yama, YOU'RE like man i really
2:23:48
Speaker 2: want that, ten million dollars but that is, not physically.
2:23:51
Speaker 3: POSSIBLE not utatable i. Can't even DUNK how am i
2:23:54
Speaker 3: supposed to Do? It over, wemby hold on he's gonna try. To, defend, me. Yeah,
2:23:59
Speaker 3: yeah game wait what do you realize what you're asking?
2:24:04
Speaker 7: Me?
2:24:04
Speaker 3: To DO now what i would love to see you
2:24:10
Speaker 3: bring in these?
2:24:12
Speaker 2: Enhanced games, athletes all right and You Bring in usain
2:24:16
Speaker 2: bolt as he, is Now, current usein Bolt not prime usain.
2:24:26
Speaker 3: And, you just, say all right can? YOU beat me
2:24:29
Speaker 3: i will give you a million dollars if You Can.
2:24:31
Speaker 3: Beat usain bolt that's what they. Should be, doing you're
2:24:33
Speaker 3: juicing he's not can? You Beat him usain bolt gets
2:24:38
Speaker 3: paid a million bucks just to show up and.
2:24:40
Speaker 2: Run the race you get. ALL or nothing i will
2:24:44
Speaker 2: give you nothing if you. CAN'T beat him i will
2:24:46
Speaker 2: give you ten million dollars. If you can't that's what they.
2:24:48
Speaker 2: Should be doing.
2:24:49
Speaker 4: They should be everyone's always asking to. Pop your question
2:24:53
Speaker 4: on on, sports talk Radio You hear dan patrick asking
2:24:56
Speaker 4: all the TIME to, former Nba Players could michael jordan?
2:25:00
Speaker 4: Beat you know recently retired player.
2:25:04
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2:25:04
Speaker 4: On one today Could You beat michael jordan one? On
2:25:07
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2:25:11
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2:25:13
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2:25:14
Speaker 4: Beat him today couldn't have BEAT him when i was
2:25:18
Speaker 4: in my prime and he. Was recently retired probably he
2:25:21
Speaker 4: probably would. Have beat me but, that's what like we
2:25:24
Speaker 4: need to have sixty Something Year old michael jordan going
2:25:28
Speaker 4: up against juiced former college basketball. Player Number ONE.
2:25:32
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2:25:35
Speaker 2: versus joe's it's just that with slightly younger pros and
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Speaker 2: steroids And. Steroid, of joe's OKAY that's what i. Want
2:25:46
Speaker 2: enhanced games give ME that and i Will Actually Watch Pros.
2:25:49
Speaker 3: Versus, Juice Joe's. Yes juicy joe's and you could Get
2:25:53
Speaker 3: a sponsored.
2:25:54
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2:25:56
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2:25:58
Speaker 3: The juice.
2:25:58
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2:26:02
Speaker 2: whole thing let's go.
2:26:06
Speaker 3: Because.
2:26:06
Speaker 2: It is wonderful it's THE same reason i want to
2:26:09
Speaker 2: see a control subject like a like you bring in someone,
2:26:14
Speaker 2: the average person. Not even average bring in like a
2:26:18
Speaker 2: mid level normal person athlete to Participate in, every olympic
2:26:22
Speaker 2: event just so, that you're, like oh wow the ninth
2:26:27
Speaker 2: place guy in the one hundred meter dash.
2:26:30
Speaker 3: Still beat the regular dude. By twenty meters.
2:26:35
Speaker 2: Just give us a control Group, at the olympics and
2:26:39
Speaker 2: certainly with, these enhanced games let's let's spice it up.
2:26:43
Speaker 4: A little bit, there's no way there's no way that
2:26:46
Speaker 4: Would demean the olympics in any way if if you
2:26:50
Speaker 4: threw me out there in a hundreds to.
2:26:52
Speaker 3: The it doesn't have to be and it doesn't have
2:26:56
Speaker 3: to be someone like us who's.
2:26:57
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2:27:02
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2:27:03
Speaker 2: WHAT i, WANT i WANT i want d. Two, college athlete,
2:27:06
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2:27:10
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2:27:13
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2:27:16
Speaker 2: you just Go to the big twelve and you get
2:27:20
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2:27:24
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Speaker 10: Studio, High, spence hello sean how? Are you great ten
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Speaker 10: million dollars to be the fastest person. In the world
2:29:48
Speaker 10: what unpacked that. A little more i CAUGHT that as
2:29:51
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Speaker 3: The enhanced games you heard about.
2:29:53
Speaker 2: THESE enhanced games i haven't heard About the enhanced that
2:29:55
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2:29:58
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2:30:00
Speaker 2: The enhanced games they allow you to take STEROIDS to
2:30:03
Speaker 2: do epo for, your blood doping human, Growth hormone whatever
2:30:07
Speaker 2: and they're trying to push the limits of human performance
2:30:10
Speaker 2: beyond what we're Seeing. In the olympics and they offered
2:30:14
Speaker 2: a million dollars to people who could break. Standing world
2:30:19
Speaker 2: records one swimmer beat the fifty meter freestyle record and
2:30:26
Speaker 2: ended up getting a little over a million, plus.
2:30:27
Speaker 3: You know sponsorships and.
2:30:29
Speaker 2: Things Like That christian gokarmyev no probably not won the
2:30:34
Speaker 2: fifty meter freestyle with a time of twenty point, eight
2:30:37
Speaker 2: one seconds which is.
2:30:40
Speaker 3: Better than anyone's ever.
2:30:41
Speaker 2: Swam it before and they're really trying to draw attention
2:30:45
Speaker 2: by creating a world's fastest Man With these Enhanced Olympics,
2:30:51
Speaker 2: OR enhanced games. I.
2:30:52
Speaker 3: Should say so they went from a one million dollar prize,
2:30:55
Speaker 3: offer to, said all right.
2:30:56
Speaker 2: Nobody did it ten million dollars if you can beat
2:31:00
Speaker 2: nine to five eight, in the hundred which of Course
2:31:03
Speaker 2: Is the usain.
2:31:04
Speaker 3: Bolt world record and.
2:31:06
Speaker 10: You're allowed to take whatever you want to assist. In,
2:31:09
Speaker 10: this endeavor yeah? What's this guy what's the guy's name
2:31:12
Speaker 10: who was claiming he's trying? To live forever he's. All Over, Us, Brian,
2:31:16
Speaker 10: johnson right.
2:31:17
Speaker 3: Yes That's the. Former utah QUARTERBACK.
2:31:20
Speaker 5: Shout out BJA not the.
2:31:22
Speaker 3: Acdc lead singer.
2:31:25
Speaker 10: Another good pull forty eight year old multimillionaire entrepreneur spends
2:31:30
Speaker 10: two million dollars a year on this, radical data age
2:31:35
Speaker 10: this anti Aging Program.
2:31:37
Speaker 5: Called project blueprints he is.
2:31:40
Speaker 10: So freaking disturbing he's All over my instagram algorithm selling some.
2:31:44
Speaker 5: Like powdered drink.
2:31:45
Speaker 3: He's SO scary can I tell you i saw a
2:31:50
Speaker 3: blip of.
2:31:50
Speaker 2: The enhanced games CAN'T remember, Where i was and he
2:31:54
Speaker 2: was on the television and he's sitting on like a
2:31:58
Speaker 2: regular SORT. Of like espn it's outside at. The enhanced
2:32:01
Speaker 2: camps he's unheart umbrella because he's one, of these people
2:32:06
Speaker 2: like he's, a nicole kidman. He's a vampire doesn't want
2:32:09
Speaker 2: the sun damaging his. His porcelain skin so he's on
2:32:13
Speaker 2: television just committing to, the, BIT like well i can't
2:32:17
Speaker 2: let the sun Touch me if i'm.
2:32:18
Speaker 10: GONNA live forever i guess his desired goal is to
2:32:21
Speaker 10: live to the year. Twenty one forty he's on records
2:32:24
Speaker 10: and he. Wants, TO live honestly i don't wish ill
2:32:29
Speaker 10: will On anybody if homeboy ran into an issue like
2:32:32
Speaker 10: in two weeks, and, They're, like sorry powell your time
2:32:37
Speaker 10: to your, time has come BECAUSE every time i see
2:32:39
Speaker 10: a video of his, first of.
2:32:41
Speaker 5: All he does not look or sound like a.
2:32:44
Speaker 10: Real human person and there's a pretentious approach to, this
2:32:49
Speaker 10: entire thing believing that because, you have money you can
2:32:54
Speaker 10: basically do things that fly in the. Face of science
2:32:56
Speaker 10: because the other funny thing that's out there is there
2:32:59
Speaker 10: all these neuroscientists and nutritionists that just refute the things.
2:33:04
Speaker 10: That he's, doing it's like these actually aren't things that
2:33:07
Speaker 10: are necessarily going to help. You live forever do you know? Where,
2:33:10
Speaker 10: He's From no, brian johnson AGAIN not. Former u quarterback HE. Went,
2:33:16
Speaker 10: to byu no THIS dude's.
2:33:18
Speaker 5: An lds.
2:33:19
Speaker 10: Guy stop it HE. Went to byu. Yes he did
2:33:23
Speaker 10: why does that not surprise? ME at all i honestly
2:33:28
Speaker 10: did not know that until this moment he FOUND that's
2:33:33
Speaker 10: where i. Was going next he is he Was, Born.
2:33:36
Speaker 10: In provo utah HE went to BYU and then I
2:33:40
Speaker 10: got an Mba at The. UNIVERSITY of chicago i got,
2:33:44
Speaker 10: To look up You're, Born, in provo Utah. Raised, in SPRINGVILLE.
2:33:50
Speaker 10: Yeah he's lds this dude is he went On a
2:33:53
Speaker 10: mission ecuador AND. Graduated from byu you cannot make this stuff.
2:33:57
Speaker 2: Forty Eight one On, michigan kidor YEAH? What, Do i
2:34:02
Speaker 2: Okay i'm gonna i'm gonna find out more. About this
2:34:04
Speaker 2: guy Why is THE ECUADOR thing a i, have, a
2:34:08
Speaker 2: good good good friend in that same age group who
2:34:12
Speaker 2: serve His. Mission in ecuador there's no way. They didn't,
2:34:14
Speaker 2: Overlap Of course brian JOHNSON, went to byu and how
2:34:20
Speaker 2: has he not? Turned, this in well you know what
2:34:21
Speaker 2: the two. An mL em here's the other funny thing
2:34:23
Speaker 2: about it is like whatever weirdo do your. Eternal life
2:34:28
Speaker 2: pursuit but when you look at the oldest people that
2:34:32
Speaker 2: have ever existed, on the planet right when, you see that,
2:34:35
Speaker 2: like the oh the oldest woman in the world, died
2:34:38
Speaker 2: this week it's never some. Multi multi millionaire it's Always
2:34:43
Speaker 2: some like filipino lady who lives in a jungle and
2:34:48
Speaker 2: has been eating the same meal every day for one hundred.
2:34:51
Speaker 3: And forty years it's always some old.
2:34:54
Speaker 2: Man from like an small island off The coast of
2:34:58
Speaker 2: japan who has, just, Been like yeah i've been smoking cigarettes.
2:35:02
Speaker 3: For a, century you're like how did you live to
2:35:05
Speaker 3: be one hundred.
2:35:06
Speaker 10: And thirty eight my friend's grandma lived into, like ninety
2:35:09
Speaker 10: eight and, she crushed, heaters loved cigarettes and her favorite.
2:35:13
Speaker 10: Food bacon sandwiches every, morning she's smoking, like smoking, cigarettes
2:35:18
Speaker 10: you know just crushing bacon.
2:35:20
Speaker 2: On the rag this is not an endorsement for, poor
2:35:23
Speaker 2: health practices but it's when you look at the actual
2:35:27
Speaker 2: evidence of the people who. Have lived forever it's not
2:35:30
Speaker 2: the people who are going and getting their plasma cleaned
2:35:34
Speaker 2: out in an external machine that costs two million. Dollars
2:35:38
Speaker 2: a year, It's literally always oh look this Old man
2:35:41
Speaker 2: in turkey who has never. Seen a television here's his
2:35:45
Speaker 2: birth certificate from. Eighteen, seventy one, Yeah oh, wow, so
2:35:49
Speaker 2: lesson learn don't waste your time on, all these fads
2:35:52
Speaker 2: all these because everyone's trying to sell, You some anyway
2:35:54
Speaker 2: i'm Telling You.
2:35:55
Speaker 5: This brian johnson dude is All over.
2:35:56
Speaker 10: My instagram feed all you need is one Scoop of,
2:35:59
Speaker 10: my i'm, like Shut, Up, EVEN charlatan look i love
2:36:03
Speaker 10: learning about this.
2:36:04
Speaker 5: In real time, so our, Guy our guy porter just.
2:36:07
Speaker 2: Said Another, famous brian Johnson, the liver king shout.
2:36:11
Speaker 10: Out, that guy, well not really because he was kind
2:36:13
Speaker 10: of a. Fraud as well he's Actually terrible and i've
2:36:15
Speaker 10: never met a human.
2:36:16
Speaker 1: Who.
2:36:16
Speaker 3: Smells worse.
2:36:18
Speaker 5: Ram so you've.
2:36:19
Speaker 3: Met, this man yeah he CAME to a Pfl Event To.
2:36:21
Speaker 10: New york, city, oh okay okay let's learn a little
2:36:24
Speaker 10: bit more about. Our, Boy Here, okay brian johnson who
2:36:27
Speaker 10: claims he's gonna live until you're twenty ONE, forty, lds
2:36:30
Speaker 10: byu dude of. Course he did johnson launched three startups
2:36:34
Speaker 10: between nineteen ninety nine and two. Thousand and, three of
2:36:37
Speaker 10: course the first sold cell phones and helped pay HIS.
2:36:40
Speaker 10: Way through byu He hired other universe using university students
2:36:44
Speaker 10: to sell service plans, and cell phones earned three hundred
2:36:47
Speaker 10: dollars commission.
2:36:48
Speaker 5: On each sale he started.
2:36:50
Speaker 10: Two other businesses one call One is called inquist because
2:36:53
Speaker 10: of course it is.
2:36:55
Speaker 5: A vault company. Whatever that is i'll combined.
2:36:58
Speaker 10: With other Partners vontage and skype ended operations in two,
2:37:02
Speaker 10: thousand and one and then he started a real estate
2:37:05
Speaker 10: adventure with his brother, and another partner and then that.
2:37:09
Speaker 5: Didn't Go well founded braintree in two.
2:37:12
Speaker 10: Thousand AND seven, these, byu charlatans dude these, alpha con
2:37:16
Speaker 10: come learn, how To sell and i'm gonna take millions of.
2:37:18
Speaker 10: Dollars From you so braintree forty Seventh on inc magazine's.
2:37:24
Speaker 10: Twenty eleven List braintree purchased venmo An, apter of obviously
2:37:30
Speaker 10: we know.
2:37:30
Speaker 5: What venmo is.
2:37:33
Speaker 10: So apparently this is just a way you can pay
2:37:37
Speaker 10: Other people Like venmo and PayPal twelve billion dollars.
2:37:40
Speaker 5: In, Payments ANNUALLY.
2:37:43
Speaker 3: Right could i be? Honest about?
2:37:45
Speaker 2: SOMETHING what's that i still don't know how venmo is
2:37:48
Speaker 2: like makes MONEY because when i send somebody Ten, dollars
2:37:52
Speaker 2: on venmo they get. All, Ten dollars yeah and the
2:37:55
Speaker 2: only way they don't charge me anything to send it.
2:37:57
Speaker 10: If you transferred to, your bank immediately they charge you,
2:38:00
Speaker 10: like two percent but wait three days and don't.
2:38:02
Speaker 5: Take the Fee that's. What i'm Saying That hard like.
2:38:04
Speaker 2: I'm AN idiot but i Don't know how venmo is.
2:38:07
Speaker 2: A profitable company, I.
2:38:09
Speaker 5: Don't either UH founded? The os fund all this stuff.
2:38:12
Speaker 3: Sounds so.
2:38:14
Speaker 2: Sketchy, provo eleak hey if He's, involved with Venmo we use,
2:38:17
Speaker 2: Venmo All, right brian Johnson.
2:38:19
Speaker 10: Thanks For venmo founded colonel in twenty sixteen building hardware
2:38:24
Speaker 10: that measures electrical and hemo dynamic signals produced.
2:38:27
Speaker 5: By the brain this guy, is, a liar dude unbelievable.
2:38:31
Speaker 2: Hemo dynamic signals sounds like something you make up when
2:38:35
Speaker 2: you're trying to. Tell a kid you're trying to explain something,
2:38:37
Speaker 2: to a kid but you don't know. The, real, reason
2:38:39
Speaker 2: yes wait?
2:38:40
Speaker 3: Why, is that. Oh temo dynamics she? Wouldn't, get, it.
2:38:43
Speaker 10: Yeah exactly You need more retina in My Medicine Of
2:38:46
Speaker 10: The new york times is currently investigating his use of
2:38:49
Speaker 10: confidentiality agreements from former employees to control. His public image
2:38:53
Speaker 10: this guy, is a, fraud of course he is.
2:38:56
Speaker 5: Not a fan.
2:38:58
Speaker 3: But he wears AN. Umbrella on tv it does not look.
2:39:02
Speaker 10: Like a human and he doesn't sound like A human
2:39:06
Speaker 10: and springville and based off of, my quick research he
2:39:10
Speaker 10: sounds Just like another charlatan. Liar they created why can't
2:39:15
Speaker 10: we create a company that just generates billions of dollars
2:39:19
Speaker 10: without really doing.
2:39:20
Speaker 5: Much of anything it seems like that's.
2:39:21
Speaker 10: All it is are All these. Things ponzi schemes not.
2:39:24
Speaker 10: All of them feels like a lot.
2:39:26
Speaker 3: Of them ARE that's, why i said not. All of them.
2:39:28
Speaker 10: These, pyramid schemes dude did you ever get did you
2:39:32
Speaker 10: ever get recruited to participate in?
2:39:33
Speaker 4: The?
2:39:33
Speaker 5: Pyramid scheme?
2:39:34
Speaker 10: Yes does it who? Buys into, it, who's like yeah that's.
2:39:39
Speaker 10: A good IDEA so basically i just give you, like,
2:39:41
Speaker 10: ten grand yeah and you get the. Bulk of it
2:39:44
Speaker 10: AND then if i get somebody to give, ME ten
2:39:46
Speaker 10: grand i get the. Bulk of it then they find
2:39:48
Speaker 10: somebody to give them TEN grand and i get some. Of,
2:39:50
Speaker 10: that too yes, it's, JUST like yeah, i, don't know
2:39:53
Speaker 10: man it's a long standing. Tradition of those Like where
2:39:56
Speaker 10: the utah is the capital? Of those things it is
2:39:59
Speaker 10: in about forty. Min down south seems to. BE the
2:40:01
Speaker 10: hub i had no idea this guy WAS a by
2:40:04
Speaker 10: i have.
2:40:04
Speaker 2: No Idea either now i'm sad about the VAMPIRE. Connection
2:40:09
Speaker 2: to byu you're not supposed to have? Vampires Down There
2:40:12
Speaker 2: is brian johnson involved IN b Y u and i
2:40:14
Speaker 2: L With his. Live, forever scheme no because you actually
2:40:17
Speaker 2: have to have money to be giving, it, to nil
2:40:20
Speaker 2: right you can't just be like one of these dudes
2:40:22
Speaker 2: who takes pictures on a private jet, that you rented,
2:40:26
Speaker 2: LIKE My guy b, wags shout out Shout.
2:40:29
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2:40:30
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2:40:34
Speaker 3: no i.
2:40:35
Speaker 2: DON'T know that I Want to here's i'm going to
2:40:37
Speaker 2: give you the the just the brief cliff notes here exactly.
2:40:41
Speaker 2: What you think guy was a, solid football player but
2:40:46
Speaker 2: built an, entire brand identity, like motivational speaking all this
2:40:51
Speaker 2: stuff on. Achieving the dream he made the goal he
2:40:55
Speaker 2: set out for himself when he was a little kid
2:40:57
Speaker 2: Playing In. A rose bowl and then it was exposed further.
2:41:02
Speaker 2: Down the line he Was On a, washington state team
2:41:04
Speaker 2: he WAS on a. Byu football team He's On a
2:41:06
Speaker 2: washington state team that ended up Going To the rose bowl.
2:41:11
Speaker 3: While he was.
2:41:12
Speaker 2: On his mission oh and he, was Like yeah he's
2:41:16
Speaker 2: he literally like did motivational speaking standing in front of
2:41:20
Speaker 2: hundreds of people talking about how he achieved his dream
2:41:23
Speaker 2: of Playing In. A rose bowl and then when it all.
2:41:27
Speaker 2: Came crashing down the investigative reporters Were just like quenton
2:41:31
Speaker 2: talked to his Former Coaches, at washington state like did
2:41:34
Speaker 2: he Play In? The rose bowl, and, they're, like oh
2:41:36
Speaker 2: no he was on the team and then he went
2:41:37
Speaker 2: on his mission and then we Went To.
2:41:38
Speaker 5: The rose bowl, oh my gosh and that.
2:41:40
Speaker 3: He hadn't like HE.
2:41:41
Speaker 11: Played at byu he was. A good player and this
2:41:44
Speaker 11: is he's a. Friend, of, yours no oh you said My? Guy,
2:41:47
Speaker 11: b wags yeah, Because, my guy. Yes they're GUYS wag's.
2:41:51
Speaker 11: Capital x capital it sounds like the right down.
2:41:54
Speaker 3: At the point.
2:41:55
Speaker 2: Of the mountain it was a building right off, five
2:41:56
Speaker 2: point fifteen had a lion logo.
2:41:58
Speaker 10: And it's gone now he's still down there, pointing the
2:42:01
Speaker 10: mountain just in. A different building did our guy get
2:42:03
Speaker 10: put behind the?
2:42:03
Speaker 3: Build, anymore either oh they.
2:42:06
Speaker 5: Moved the jail.
2:42:07
Speaker 2: Didn't Know that spence checkets really doesn't go south of
2:42:10
Speaker 2: twenty one, hundred because nope that has.
2:42:13
Speaker 3: Been no clue they tore that thing down.
2:42:16
Speaker 10: Two Years ago Mill, Creek, IS springville dude i know
2:42:18
Speaker 10: nothing about that part. Of our state outside Of all
2:42:21
Speaker 10: these charlatans need to be, Stopped, these liars okay, they're
2:42:25
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2:42:29
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2:42:32
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2:42:35
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2:42:45
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2:42:50
Speaker 3: ALL of them i.
2:42:51
Speaker 2: Had A former teammate i hadn't heard from it, a
2:42:54
Speaker 2: long time got a text after ten years, of no
2:42:58
Speaker 2: contact got a.
2:42:58
Speaker 3: Text, you maximize, hey hey bro how are?
2:43:01
Speaker 4: You?
2:43:01
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2:43:03
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2:43:06
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2:43:07
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2:43:11
Speaker 3: or would you be interested in? Making? More money there
2:43:14
Speaker 3: get out, Of it there, IT is no i don't
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