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The Jungle Book 2 · The After Ever After Podcast

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  Hello everyone and welcome to the After Ever
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  After podcast, the show where we take a look
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  at Disney sequels to truly see what life is like.
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  After Ever After. I am one of your hosts, James,
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  and as always, I have the wonderful Andy with
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  me. How are you doing, Andy? Good afternoon.
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  I'm doing all right. How are you doing? Not too
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  shabby. It's weird. Anyone that knows, that's
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  listened to the, which one was it? It was Lady
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  and the Tramp. They know that we don't look at
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  each other, but now... We've decided that we
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  might as well try it, so we're staring each other
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  down. I'm staring deep into Andy's soul right
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  now. So if this episode sounds wrong, that's
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  why. Yeah, 100%. It's all Luke Thomas' fault
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  and the Sandler Pits curse. So, yeah, there we
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  go. What are we doing today, Andy? Today we're
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  going into Da Jungle for Da Jungle Book. And
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  Da Jungle Book 2. Very exciting stuff. I think
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  we both have a lot of fondness for the original.
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  Absolutely, yeah. I would say, controversially,
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  maybe not controversial, well, definitely not
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  controversially, one of my favourite Disney classics
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  of all time. It's so good. It's so good. Yeah.
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  I don't think... I get what you mean when you're
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  saying, like, controversial. Like, it's probably
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  not the most popular pick for the best one, but
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  it's... Yeah. But it's certainly popular. It's
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  certainly, like, well -loved. 100%. 100%. But
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  before we get to the original, we like to do
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  something that Andy likes to call Before Ever
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  Before. Andy, do you want to take it away and
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  explain? Yeah, absolutely. So we like to go through
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  all the Disney films in chronological order.
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  From the original film, we started with Snow
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  White. We've worked our way all the way down
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  to The Jungle Book now. The last one we did was
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  101 Dalmatians. But we like to look at the films
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  in between that didn't actually get any sort
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  of sequels or follow -ups. Just to see what kind
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  of weird and wonderful ways they were able to
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  continue onwards. Absolutely. There's only one
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  film that came out between these two, which is
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  The Sword in the Stone. Ah, one that I don't
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  think I've ever seen. Me neither. It's a weird
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  one because it's like, it's one where I feel
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  like not many people talk about it, but it's
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  one that like, while it never got a sequel, it's
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  something I constantly see, if that makes sense.
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  Like, I see Merlin in a lot of video games and
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  stuff like that. You don't really see Arthur,
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  but you see Merlin all the time. Yeah. It's so
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  weird. And I think the villain, Madam Mir...
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  I'll have to grab it up. Madam Mim, the villain.
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  I see her a little bit. She's kind of like a...
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  She's a witch kind of villain and she transforms
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  into a few different things. So you've probably
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  seen, maybe not her as a self, but you've probably
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  seen some Madam Mim creatures that she turns
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  into. What the fuck? She looks like the Cheshire
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  Cat. Yes, yeah. So you may have seen some of
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  hers. It looks like she turns into TikTok Croc.
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  Although, to be fair, I don't think she's as
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  popular. I tried to get into the Disney card
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  game Locana a couple years ago, and I ended up
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  just getting some of the cards, and I've never
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  played it yet. I mean to. I just haven't. And
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  there's loads of Madame Mim cards and stuff,
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  so I'm probably just thinking of that. Right.
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  Is that basically Magic the Gathering, but for...
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  For Disney. Disney, right. Which is weird, because
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  Disney's now in Magic the Gathering as well,
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  technically speaking, isn't it, with Spider -Man?
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  I was going to say, Magic the Gathering's gone
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  mental recently. They've got, I found out, they've
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  got Fallout ones, and I'm like, let's go! Yeah,
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  they've got Fallout, they've got the Spider -Man
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  stuff, they're probably expanding that universe
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  as well, so give me, give me... No! Oh my god!
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  They've got... final fantasy oh they could do
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  they could totally do final fantasy king they
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  could do kingdom hearts 100 why haven't they
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  done that hero wizards of the coast listen to
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  me do that it will sell so hard it might be apparently
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  it could be disney putting a block on it if they
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  do want to sell locana um they might think like
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  that's true we don't want to put marvel in this
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  yet but you can't have mickey or whatever yeah
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  maybe it's like does disney straight own all
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  of marvel it does doesn't it yeah like including
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  the comics and stuff disney on everything marvel
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  the only thing that they don't have control of
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  is spider -man in movies that's it so why did
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  they give him the pass to be magic that's so
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  weird we're so off topic but um i'm just like
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  genuinely this is quite fascinating i assume
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  That they don't intend on putting Star Wars or
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  Marvel in it, maybe? That's the only thing I
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  can think of? Like the hobby of keeping it separate?
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  So interesting. Yeah. But maybe one day. I swear,
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  because I'm pretty sure someone was saying that
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  the Final Fantasy ones absolutely smashed it
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  out. So I can imagine that people who are into
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  Kingdom Hearts and stuff would lap up. uh kingdom
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  hearts uh magic the gathering i have i have no
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  doubts and speaking of kingdom hearts to get
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  us back on track apparently merlin is a big part
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  of that as well uh and the madam mim villain
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  um but other than that like another than the
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  house of mouses and your kingdom hearts and i
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  tried that dreamlight valley game recently and
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  merlin's like the first disney character you
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  meet in that oh cool um Which is quite fun, actually.
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  You just end up doing little tasks for Wally
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  and I love it. He has little chores for me to
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  do and I'm like, don't worry, buddy, I've got
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  it. I've got you, little man. You pat him on
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  the head. But yeah, how is Dreamlight Valley?
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  Is it good? I liked it. It's basically just Animal
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  Crossing, but with Disney characters. But my
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  problem with Animal Crossing is as soon as the
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  rats stopped giving me missions, I got confused
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  because I'm an idiot with games. So Disney seems
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  like it has infinite missions, which is good.
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  I need to buy it because I was actually just...
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  That's nice. I was house -sitting for one of
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  our listeners, actually. Kate and Tom. And they
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  had a copy, so I just played this. Lovely. Oh,
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  that's very nice. Yeah, I feel like I might enjoy
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  it as well, but it's been a while since I've
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  done an Animal Crossing kind of game. I didn't
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  even play the new one during COVID or anything.
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  Oh, that's the only one I have. Maybe I'll love
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  it. Madame Mim has also been adopted into the
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  Donald Duck universe in comic books, so she's
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  now also classified as a Donald Duck villain
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  in the comics. Donald Duck has villains. Does
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  now. What's happening? But yeah, not much to
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  say with this one. It's a weird one where not
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  many people talk about it, but elements of it
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  have lived on for like 50 plus years. So strange.
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  But yeah, cool. Good to know. Now our train's
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  saying bye. We're chugging away. Bye, Arthur.
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  See you later, sword in the stone, idiot. Merlin,
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  come along for the ride. I'd like to go back
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  and watch it at some point. Arthur gets left.
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  But today's not that day. No, it's not. We do
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  Disney sequels, not Disney regulars. Yeah, get
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  fucked. Come back when you've made a shit slot
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  straight to TVT. It's just the first film again.
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  The sword's back in the stone. Anyway, so we've
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  left Sword in the Stone behind and we pull up
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  to our destination, a jungle. And, oh, what's
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  that on the floor? It's a book. It's the manual.
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  So before we jump into the sequel, we always
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  like to have a look at the original, lay some
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  groundwork on what we thought of that. So the
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  original was like 1967, I believe. Yeah. So what
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  are your thoughts on the original Jungle Book?
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  I adore the original Jungle Book. I think this
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  film is fantastic. And it's one of those that
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  I know well enough where I did not rewatch it
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  because I feel like I know it well enough. And
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  I think it's absolutely phenomenal. It's also,
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  I'm pretty sure it's one of my dad's favorite
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  films of all time. He loves it. And he, him and
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  I as well, obviously talking about. And we'll
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  get on to talking about how Jungle Book continued.
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  But there was obviously the live action remake.
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  And him and I both adored that as well. I think
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  it's a really faithful adaptation of it. changes
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  enough as well. So it's different enough from
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  the original. Yeah. I love both of them. I think
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  Jungle Book is phenomenal. Lovely characters,
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  lovely story. It's just a really, really fun
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  time. The music's amazing. I think it looks incredible
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  as well. But yeah. What about you? What do you
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  think of it? Pretty much exactly the same, including
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  like, I think my dad. loved this one as well
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  um because i remember when i was a kid i got
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  like passed down bed sheets from him that was
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  like jungle book bed sheets from the 60s um unbelievable
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  so i think like the exact same would be fair
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  it's uh beautifully animated the score is wonderful
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  the music's amazing like everyone knows like
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  yeah the songs from this one uh the characters
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  are really fun um yeah I don't know what else
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  to say. It's just so good. Voice acting is unbelievable
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  as well. Like, everyone's just so good in this.
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  Yeah. It's sublime. It's so good. Also, a budget
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  of four million, box office of 378. They made
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  fucking bank, bro. We've had countless other
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  Junkabuck movies. yeah genuinely just cashing
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  in on as much as possible um with the cast as
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  well uh phil harris who plays blue was probably
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  the first time that disney used a celebrity actor
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  quote unquote for one of the animated films like
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  just a normal actor coming in uh and it's it's
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  seamless it works like spot on he is yeah he's
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  really um He's just so effortlessly enjoyable
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  to listen to as Baloo. Yeah, for real. Ladies
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  want to be with him. Men want to be him. Children
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  want to hang around with him. I would love nothing
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  more than to be floating down a lazy river on
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  Baloo's belly, slapping his belly, singing swinging
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  music. Yeah, absolutely. I wouldn't want to be
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  stolen by... By King Louie and his monkey brigade.
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  It does seem like a good time though. It does.
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  It does seem like a good day out. I'd prefer
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  to just be going down the river lazily. I think
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  it would be lovely. I'd rather be stolen by King
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  Louie than that little fucking snake. Car. Yeah.
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  Who's fantastic at this. it's um what a rascal
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  it's sterling holloway i believe playing him
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  and uh i really like the effort to make sure
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  that his script has so many s words in like as
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  much as many as possible it's simply sublime
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  succulent scripting andy he has issues with his
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  sinuses it's just my favorite line Yeah, I think
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  he's absolutely... Like, I was going to say there's
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  no one else that could play Ka that well, but
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  I might be changing my opinion on that in a bit.
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  Just for anyone who doesn't remember this one,
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  there's not really... It's a weird one because
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  there's not much of a plot. The plot is basically
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  Mowgli's time in the jungle. He's a young boy
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  who was farmed by wolves and raised by them.
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  And Mowgli's time in the jungle is coming to
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  a close because he's on the edge of becoming
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  a man, which is more dangerous. And that means
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  he's vulnerable to Shere Khan, a tiger who likes
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  to kill men. He doesn't like man at all. So Bagheera
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  the Panther goes on a... and an escapade to get
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  Mowgli out of the jungle. And as they are on
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  the way out of the jungle, it's kind of almost
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  episodic. They meet various jungle characters
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  like King Louie, the orangutan, there's Kaa the
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  snake, Baloo the bear, there's elephants, there's
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  vultures. There's everything you could ever want.
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  Everything and anything that you can think of,
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  it's there. And it's just a lovely time. It's
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  a lovely little journey. Yeah, until the end,
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  when we get a little confrontation. Yeah, where
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  Shere Khan finally catches up. Shere Khan's not
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  in this that much as well. He doesn't really
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  come into it, because it's so episodic with the
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  different animals. It always kind of surprises
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  me when he's not in it until the third act, because
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  he's so vivid in my mind, but he's like a really
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  strong character. Yeah, I genuinely wonder if
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  any of that is... because they introduced him
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  a lot earlier in the live -action remake, don't
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  they? He's always, like, kind of in the background
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  doing something, and he's got a bit more... Like
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  a constant presence. Yeah, yeah. He's, like,
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  taking over the little starting area that all
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  the animals are in in the remake, but in this
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  one, he's just, like, that force that's... you
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  know in the background but you don't see him
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  until the very end when it's too late my favorite
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  bit of this entire movie is uh when share con
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  uh confronts car he believes car might have something
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  some knowledge of where mogli is and mogli's
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  like open cars coils in the tree um the car's
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  like really terrified of shere khan but like
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  won't give up mogli because it's his lunch and
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  that there's an amazing bit of animation where
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  car's like giving him this like sob story of
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  like oh i've just been so tired my my sinuses
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  have been playing up and the animation on shere
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  khan's face is like mockingly like nodding sympathetically
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  like yes yes it's like amazing it's like the
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  funniest bit of animation i've ever seen unreal
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  i yeah i this film's just so so perfect man i
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  just love it so much what a lovely bunch of characters
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  what a lovely story and like you say it is so
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  simple and it is episodic yeah but it it kind
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  of blends together so well as well yeah like
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  no nothing overstays its welcome it's just ah
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  ah lovely yeah and i think um i think the episodic
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  thing kind of like really makes the pace and
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  just feel like insanely fast like this film's
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  like over before you even for me anyway like
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  it just it goes so quick like because each segment
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  is just such such a little well -paced bit and
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  then it's like on to the next on to the next
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  it's like always moving yeah i think the last
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  time i watched it the only thing that kind of
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  dragged for me was the king louis bit a little
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  bit because there's like A couple of scenes where
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  Baloo's dancing away in that, but it just felt
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  like it was just holding a little bit too long
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  on Baloo, just kind of not improv -ing, but riffing
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  kind of thing. And it doesn't move away from
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  it quickly enough for me, but I don't care. It's
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  fun to watch. I really like it. But if I'm remembering
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  rightly, that's the only part that kind of dragged
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  for me the last time I watched it. Other than
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  that, what a fucking picture, man. So good. I
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  like that. I think that bit's paced well for
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  me. I think my only complaint is like I'm mixed
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  on the ending where Mowgli eventually leaves.
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  He spends the entire film fighting to stay in
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  the jungle and he sees a human and it's... There's
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  a bit of a... i don't know i think it's very
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  sweet that he sees a human and he's completely
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  enchanted um yeah and like he realizes like maybe
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  it's good to be with your own pack but then at
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  the same time it feels like it goes i don't know
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  like it makes the film feel a little bit i don't
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  know i it's a strange one because i like it and
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  i don't like it i think part of the problems
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  is a bit of a dated and sexist land where blue's
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  kind of angry that a woman's coming between them
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  like you don't want him deal with one of them
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  and all this stuff and it's like oh yeah yeah
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  and it doesn't help that like she's singing a
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  song about how she'll fetch water until she's
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  grown and then she'll start cooking for the family
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  and it's like okay um this is all i'm made for
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  and i don't think i'm the only one that finds
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  that ending a bit weird because the live action
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  one completely changes it and ditches that and
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  he stays in the jungle yeah it and it's so much
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  better it's so good what a good ending for that
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  i think it it works so much better yeah and then
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  like sure you can explore him going into the
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  like if they ever did a sequel to the to the
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  live action one explore him going into um the
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  man village and like interacting with them but
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  you're not committed to that you can just stay
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  in the jungle if you want to yeah and then have
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  man be some kind of presence that comes into
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  the jungle and is starting to expand into the
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  jungle yeah you know like i think there's there's
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  a lot they could do with that ending but yeah
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  i agree i think it's a weird ending for the og
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  yeah i mean it's weird because like as a metaphor
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  it makes sense like it's him growing and like
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  this is him except like you have to leave like
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  childhood behind and this is like life now but
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  it just doesn't it doesn't click as well um and
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  like like we're saying like the live action one
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  i think it works better for me as well um agreed
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  yeah but yeah it's not something where i hate
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  the end and it's just mixed yeah yeah totally
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  agree um You got any more to say about the OG?
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  Yeah, I think something that you'll have forgotten
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  about it, because I always forget about it, is
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  there's a bit where, after the fight with Shere
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  Khan, Baloo is seemingly dead. And Bagheera gives
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  a really heartwarming eulogy for him. It's such
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  a cliche bit, but it's like Baloo's actually
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  alive and he's listening in. They're playing
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  the organ music. It's just very sweet and funny.
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  I did forget about that. That was really fun.
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  Bagheera has a great reaction when he... I love
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  Bagheera. When he finds out that he's alive,
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  he's like, Why you... Come on! You rascal! I
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  also think you made... The last shot of the movie
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  is so cute. It's the cutest thing in the world.
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  It's Bagheera and Baloo leave Mowgli, and the
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  last shot is them... arm around each other like
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  dancing away back into the jungle oh just like
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  oh that's very sweet yeah but um what a lovely
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  what a lovely film i do have some production
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  notes and trivia if you'd like to hear a bit
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  about the making of this one hit me the hell
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  up man that's sick this one is disney sort of
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  back in the rains more than he was recently.
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  Diane Disney Miller commented that her dad was
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  more focused on TV and Disneyland and live action
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  stuff at this point. But after Sword in the Stone
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  didn't hit that well, he decided to get a bit
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  more hands -on with this. He was like, he rubbed
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  his hands together and he went, let me cook.
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  fucking blasted out one of the best disney classics
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  ever and ironically it's the last one he worked
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  on because he died during the production of this
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  so this is the last no way yeah this is the last
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  one with his fingers in the pie oh shit i didn't
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  i i genuinely didn't know that was crazy yeah
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  um no so i think Robin Hood must be very soon
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  after this. And in the Robin Hood, there's a
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  lot of reused animations. Like the bear that
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  plays little John is like the same design as
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  Baloo. Yes. Some of the same dancing and stuff.
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  I do remember that. And I think a lot of it was
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  just the transition of like Disney's death and
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  dealing with that and like just taking a couple
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  of shortcuts to get that delivered. Yeah. Even
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  though Disney was set to die, it didn't stop
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  him from butting heads again with... With the
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  same guy from last time, actually. So last episode
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  we talked about Bill Peet, who was the writer
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  of 101 Dalmatians, and they had a bit of a spat
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  where Bill Peet called out Disney for being an
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  absentee father. This time they clashed again.
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  Fucking roasted. Bill Peet wanted it to be darker
• 22:31
  like the original Rudyard Kipling book. Disney
• 22:34
  didn't like that. He wanted it to be better.
• 22:36
  Not better, sorry. He wanted it to be better
• 22:38
  suited for... a little audience brighter and
• 22:43
  happier yeah like there's nothing in this film
• 22:45
  that i think would scare a kid realistically
• 22:46
  speaking yeah unless you have a snake phobia
• 22:50
  i have a snake phobia and cars fun as fuck that's
• 22:53
  true actually but um one of the one of the things
• 22:57
  unless you're scared of fun one of the things
• 23:02
  that the um when they were clashing heads again
• 23:05
  Disney apparently said to Bill Pete, why don't
• 23:07
  you go see Mary Poppins and see what real entertainment
• 23:09
  looks like? It's just like the smuggest thing
• 23:15
  I've ever heard. Fucking hell. Fucking hell.
• 23:25
  Also, I hate Mary Poppins. I mean, I know everyone
• 23:28
  else loves it. I'm not going to get into it,
• 23:30
  but fuck off, Disney. No, I think you and I are
• 23:35
  in the same... I don't hate Mary Poppins. It
• 23:38
  doesn't do anything for me. Mary Poppins Returns
• 23:43
  was alright, but the original just does nothing
• 23:46
  for me. But we know that producer Jordan G and
• 23:51
  Luke T from the Sandler Pit podcast, both of
• 23:56
  them are huge Mary Poppins fans. I'm pretty sure.
• 24:01
  Yeah, they'd have loved this. They would have
• 24:03
  been like, Yeah, baby! Get out of here, Pete!
• 24:08
  There would have been his little goons like,
• 24:12
  Yeah, get it, boss! Apparently Bill Pete said
• 24:18
  he didn't reply back and he's glad he didn't
• 24:20
  because Disney obviously died a couple years
• 24:22
  later and he's glad it didn't get dirtier than
• 24:25
  it did. But this film led to Bill Pete leaving
• 24:28
  Disney, which is a... More significant than I
• 24:32
  thought it was originally because he only really
• 24:35
  took a creative role around this era, but he
• 24:38
  was actually apparently there since Snow White,
• 24:40
  just slowly building up in how much he was doing.
• 24:43
  So it's one of the OGs leaving because Disney
• 24:46
  kept fucking clushing into him. I've just seen
• 24:49
  this, actually. Justin Marks wrote the screenplay
• 24:52
  for the live -action one, and he said that if
• 24:56
  they were going to do a sequel... they would
• 24:58
  have taken more elements from Bill Pete's original
• 25:01
  screenplay. But I don't think we're ever going
• 25:04
  to get that to people now because it's 10 years
• 25:06
  old. God! The remake is 10 years old. That's
• 25:10
  crazy. Yeah, and Jon Favreau seems very planted
• 25:15
  in Star Wars right now. That's mental. Some other
• 25:19
  stuff. On this one, this is a little fun story
• 25:22
  I thought was cute that you would enjoy. Richard
• 25:25
  Sherman, the songwriter, who did a cracking job,
• 25:28
  was originally trying to court Louis Prima to
• 25:31
  play King Louis. So he's showing Louis Prima,
• 25:34
  I want to be like you, if it's banned. And he
• 25:36
  said that Louis Prima said, are you trying to
• 25:38
  make a monkey out of me? And Sherman said, no,
• 25:40
  no, you're the ape. These guys are the monkeys.
• 25:44
  Such a silly little story. That's really fun.
• 25:48
  I like that. speaking of King Louis we actually
• 25:54
  mentioned earlier they originally considered
• 25:55
  Louis Armstrong for the role but according to
• 25:58
  Richard Sherman this was discarded because the
• 26:00
  writer pointed out that it is going to be controversial
• 26:04
  if you have a black man playing an ape it's going
• 26:06
  to be politically terrible is what he said yeah
• 26:08
  and he said he said that was the last thing on
• 26:12
  our minds but you know like it is a most racially
• 26:17
  insensitive time but i do kind of probably believe
• 26:21
  that that is the case like he has a very simple
• 26:23
  explanation for why he came to this character
• 26:25
  which is just monkey swing swing music is fun
• 26:29
  and it's like yeah yeah it's um it's a uh it's
• 26:34
  an interesting one um I don't think... I don't
• 26:39
  think it's as... Like, we've gone through a lot
• 26:42
  of racist characters. We've gone through the
• 26:44
  Indians and Peter Pan. Awful. The... Yeah, awful.
• 26:50
  And King Louis... King Louis... I... I may be
• 26:54
  giving this film more leeway because I love it,
• 26:56
  but King Louie feels more of an accident than
• 26:58
  anything. I don't think it's intended to be a
• 27:01
  stereotype or anything like that. I do genuinely
• 27:03
  believe that. Yeah, not at all. I totally agree
• 27:07
  with you. It doesn't feel like it's making fun
• 27:12
  or stereotyping or anything. He's just a lovable
• 27:19
  little guy that loves... Swing music. It is what
• 27:23
  it is. And the only other note I've got for this
• 27:29
  one is that... Oh, no. Sorry. This is a weirdly
• 27:33
  petty one. According to Elsie Kipling Bainbridge,
• 27:36
  which is Rudyard Kipling's daughter, the first
• 27:39
  syllable of Mowgli is supposed to rhyme with
• 27:41
  cow, not go. So it should be Mowgli. And then
• 27:45
  it says, she reportedly never forgave Disney
• 27:48
  for the gaff, which is very... I'll never forgive
• 27:51
  you for this, Disney, you son of a bitch. The
• 27:56
  Beatles were actually meant to be in this. I
• 27:59
  fucking thought that's what they were supposed
• 28:01
  to be. Yeah. And they still kind of resemble
• 28:05
  the Beatles, but John Lennon vetoed it at the
• 28:08
  last minute. What a prick. I know, that's why
• 28:10
  he was shot in the street like a dog, I think.
• 28:21
  Oh no. Jesus Christ. The vultures are really
• 28:27
  lovely in this. They're very nice characters.
• 28:29
  It's so funny hearing such a scouse accent in
• 28:33
  the jungle. I know, yeah. But it's fun and it
• 28:38
  works. yeah i love it and one last note is just
• 28:43
  gregory peck of to kill a mockingbird fame at
• 28:46
  the time was the president of the um academy
• 28:49
  the you know the academy awards and he pushed
• 28:52
  for this not only to get nominated but to win
• 28:54
  and then when the other academy members didn't
• 28:57
  agree about nominating an animated film he just
• 28:59
  left he's like right fuck he's i'm gone then
• 29:01
  that's how much he loves sick what a dude that's
• 29:05
  awesome what chad I love that so much. Well,
• 29:12
  that's it for The Jungle Book. Did it continue
• 29:15
  in any other ways? It must have done. The Jungle
• 29:18
  Book has continued in several other ways. We've
• 29:23
  talked about the live -action one, but there's
• 29:25
  actually multiple live -action ones. There was
• 29:29
  the 1994 version, which is more based on the
• 29:34
  book, I would say. yeah it's not really got anything
• 29:37
  to do with this um but it is disney so it is
• 29:41
  technically a live action remake yes that one
• 29:45
  i've seen it once as a kid my granddad used to
• 29:47
  love it uh and i remember being terrified because
• 29:50
  there's a big snake at the end oh god and i wouldn't
• 29:54
  eat for a bit i can't eat i just feel sick with
• 29:57
  anxiety oh no oh and then there was a direct
• 30:04
  to video sequel slash prequel that came out just
• 30:08
  after it called the jungle book mogli story which
• 30:10
  is 1998 um not much to say about that one i haven't
• 30:14
  seen this one uh eartha kitt's in it which is
• 30:16
  fun she plays bagheera that's great oh back playing
• 30:20
  another cat after cat and then you've also obviously
• 30:26
  got jungle book 2016 which we both love um hell
• 30:29
  yeah John Favreau with Bill Murray, Ben Kingsley,
• 30:34
  Idris Elba, Scarlett Johansson, Giancarlo Esposito
• 30:37
  and Christopher Walken. Absolutely banging cast
• 30:41
  on that one. Arguably the live action remake
• 30:45
  that has potentially put us in this cursed state
• 30:49
  of getting them all the time because it was really
• 30:51
  well received and it made a banging amount of
• 30:54
  bank. It made almost a billion. A billion dollars!
• 30:58
  But it's not that film's fault that the rest
• 31:00
  suck. Yeah, it's true. Well, apart from you said
• 31:02
  Cinderella was pretty alright. Yeah, I liked
• 31:05
  Cinderella. That came before this, I think. Yeah,
• 31:08
  yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jungle Books
• 31:10
  also had two TV shows. One's just called Jungle
• 31:13
  Cubs, and it's pretty much exactly what you think
• 31:16
  it's going to be. It's like Jungle Book Babies.
• 31:17
  Yeah. Cute, fun, whatever. One of them is...
• 31:21
  Quite a famous TV show. But it's a really weird
• 31:24
  one. It's Tailspin. Which has nothing to do with
• 31:27
  Jungle Book. Other than the fact that it's the
• 31:29
  characters from Jungle Book. And it is really
• 31:32
  weird. Baloo is in it. As a pilot. And he pilots
• 31:38
  a plane. Bagheera is in it. I don't think he's
• 31:42
  a pilot. But he's in there somewhere. Shia Khan
• 31:45
  is like a villainous business owner. I don't
• 31:49
  know if any other characters appear, but those
• 31:51
  three are 100 % in it, and, like, Baloo is the
• 31:53
  main character. What the fuck are you talking
• 31:57
  about? This isn't a real thing! Tailspin's real.
• 32:02
  What do you mean? Tailspin was a Disney animated
• 32:07
  TV show from the 90s. It's really popular in
• 32:10
  America. I don't think it really took off as
• 32:12
  well here. But it is literally, like, the Jungle
• 32:15
  Book characters. It's not canon, obviously, because
• 32:18
  they fly planes and stuff. But it's Baloo. It's
• 32:22
  Shere Khan. I'm sure Bagheera's in there. I've
• 32:24
  just looked up and King Louie's apparently in
• 32:26
  there. And it is literally just a show about
• 32:28
  Baloo flying planes and stuff. What the fuck?
• 32:33
  Yeah. It's got video games and everything. What?
• 32:37
  This is crazy. Yeah. That feels... That's so
• 32:41
  bizarre. it's a very weird way this franchise
• 32:46
  has continued yeah and it was really popular
• 32:49
  um it came around the time of like duck tales
• 32:51
  and that like it was that kind of animation block
• 32:54
  i was just gonna say because it's like um you've
• 32:57
  got darkwing duck duck tales chip and dale uh
• 33:01
  timon and pumbaa goof troop you know all of those
• 33:04
  things that came out at the same time doing different
• 33:08
  things with those characters, but it just feels
• 33:11
  so weird. It's really popular in America. Yeah.
• 33:14
  And I could be wrong, but I think there's something
• 33:17
  about it in the Chippendale movie. I think like
• 33:21
  one of the characters is in it or something like
• 33:22
  that. Oh, cool. That'd be fun. That would be
• 33:26
  nice to see him. That would be nice to see him.
• 33:30
  Yeah. My old friend. I need to watch Chippendale
• 33:32
  again. I don't know why I said that. That's weird.
• 33:38
  So for video games for Jungle Books, like I've
• 33:41
  mentioned, you've got Talespin, had several video
• 33:44
  games, but then there's also just some normal
• 33:46
  Jungle Book games. There was one for the... I
• 33:50
  think it was the SNES, but I played it on PC
• 33:52
  when I was a kid, which was insanely difficult.
• 33:56
  It's actually got ported to model consoles recently.
• 33:58
  There's a little Disney classic console. Oh,
• 34:01
  is that the one that had... The Lion King and
• 34:06
  Aladdin. Yeah, yeah. Because that was the three
• 34:09
  games that I had for PC as a kid. It was those
• 34:11
  three and they were all, like, insanely challenging.
• 34:14
  Yeah, all I've heard about Lion King is how,
• 34:18
  like, difficult that one is. And then Aladdin
• 34:23
  apparently is just absolutely unreal. Like, the
• 34:26
  SNES and the Sega Genesis version are, like,
• 34:30
  one of the best platformers on... Those consoles
• 34:34
  kind of thing. I don't know if you noticed, but
• 34:36
  apparently the reason Lion King is so hard is
• 34:38
  because it was at a time when kids would rent
• 34:40
  video games, so Disney wanted to make sure that
• 34:42
  the kids couldn't finish it in one weekend. Greedy
• 34:46
  corporations. You gotta come back if you wanna
• 34:48
  beat Scar! There was also, believe it or not,
• 34:55
  a Dance Mat game called Jungle Book Groove Party
• 34:58
  for the PS2. Sick. i'm looking this up right
• 35:03
  now and then obviously jungle book has continued
• 35:07
  in all of the classic ways it's got your disneylands
• 35:10
  and your disney infinities and your disney mirror
• 35:13
  verses and all of this shit i'm sure it's probably
• 35:17
  in that disney uh what was i talking about before
• 35:20
  god what is it called again fucking animal kingdom
• 35:24
  of disney it's probably in that somewhere animal
• 35:26
  crossing disney disney dreamlike valley Yes,
• 35:29
  it's probably in that, yes. I don't know yet,
• 35:32
  but it probably is there somewhere. How else
• 35:35
  did it continue? Or is there something that we're
• 35:38
  missing? There's a really popular movie that
• 35:42
  came out in 2003 called The Jungle Book 2, which
• 35:45
  continued it. I don't know if you want to talk
• 35:47
  about that at all. Nah, we'll be all right. But
• 35:50
  the other one that I was going to say is Mowgli
• 35:54
  as well. That's not Disney. I know, but it's
• 36:00
  like another way that the Jungle Book continued,
• 36:02
  isn't it? I guess, but if you want to go into
• 36:05
  all the other Jungle Book adaptations, we'll
• 36:06
  be here a while. Skip it. Never mind. Cool. I'm
• 36:11
  actually going to see how many adaptations of
• 36:13
  the Jungle Book are there. There's got to be
• 36:15
  so many. Thanks, Google. Over five. Great. Thumbs
• 36:21
  up. Cheers, mate. I just fucking named five.
• 36:26
  Yeah. So. Now that we've discussed all things
• 36:30
  original Jungle Book, there's only one thing
• 36:33
  left to talk about. And that is the 2003 animated
• 36:40
  sequel, Jungle Book 2. Directed by Steve Trenberth,
• 36:48
  who I have up here. This was his directorial
• 36:53
  debut. Since then, he's not... done much. He's
• 36:59
  done some episodes of a TV show called Sydney
• 37:02
  Sailboat. He's done a few episodes of The Croods
• 37:07
  Family Tree and most recently of his released
• 37:13
  stuff anyway, he's got a couple of upcoming things.
• 37:16
  He directed A Chuck E. Cheese Christmas in 2025.
• 37:23
  Jesus Christ! So he's barely done anything. This
• 37:29
  is crazy. So there's not that much about him.
• 37:33
  And yet this was his first film. So we'll see
• 37:38
  how that goes. It was written by Carl Giers and
• 37:41
  Evan Spiliotopoulos. It had a budget of 20 million.
• 37:51
  And it made 186 million worldwide. So it did
• 37:56
  pretty well. It was actually theatrically released
• 38:00
  as well. So when it came out, it was going up
• 38:03
  against Daredevil, which released on the same
• 38:07
  day. That's such a funny double bill. Isn't it?
• 38:11
  Just getting out of the cinema, seeing Jungle
• 38:13
  Book, and you're like, I'm going to go and watch
• 38:15
  a blind man fight crime. Come on, babe, it's
• 38:18
  Valentine's Day. Man, the fact that it's Valentine's
• 38:22
  Day as well is like, it's insane. Oh no, so funny.
• 38:27
  So in that weekend as well, which was President's
• 38:30
  Day weekend, it was ranked fourth for most popular.
• 38:36
  So Chicago beat it. How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days
• 38:40
  beat it. And number one was Daredevil. Crazy
• 38:43
  that some things like... Lord of the Rings The
• 38:46
  Two Towers was still in the cinemas at that point.
• 38:49
  Kangaroo Jack as well. Crazy. The story of Jungle
• 38:53
  Book 2, it picks up after the original, obviously.
• 38:59
  It's a sequel. So Mowgli's now in the man village
• 39:03
  and he's telling stories of his time in the jungle.
• 39:08
  And then eventually, you know, we're seeing him
• 39:13
  with his new family kind of thing and how he's
• 39:18
  enjoying it. And then eventually we see Baloo
• 39:22
  and Bagheera in the jungle as well. Baloo really
• 39:26
  misses Mowgli. So he's going to go and kind of
• 39:30
  check in on him, see how he's doing. And Mowgli's
• 39:33
  missing the jungle as well. So they're kind of
• 39:36
  both trying to meet at the same point. And there's
• 39:39
  a river that separates the village from the jungle.
• 39:44
  And if you cross, then you're in there. Shere
• 39:46
  Khan comes back and he wants revenge on Mowgli
• 39:49
  and sneaks into the village. Hilarity ensues.
• 39:55
  That is pretty much the story of Jungle Book,
• 40:00
  isn't it? Jungle Book 2. Yeah. Well, I mean,
• 40:04
  Mowgli and his new siblings end up back in the
• 40:08
  jungle, which I guess is the remainder of the
• 40:10
  plot. Him and them two. Andy, what did you think
• 40:14
  of this sequel? I... I didn't care for it. Not
• 40:21
  at all, really. I will say... This was two of
• 40:26
  the most miserable films that we've watched.
• 40:28
  So last episode's one, for me, was miserable.
• 40:32
  This was miserable. This made me sad. Yeah. You
• 40:40
  know what's really annoying as well? I saw this
• 40:42
  as a kid and I remember liking it. Oh, no way.
• 40:46
  I don't know what I liked about it. I think it's
• 40:48
  just that kid thing of like, I know that guy.
• 40:50
  Yeah, yeah. That's good enough for me. It must
• 40:52
  be. And I'm genuinely like 100 % sure this is
• 40:57
  the reason that most of these Disney sequels
• 40:59
  exist is because kids will see something that
• 41:04
  they've seen before and they'll be like, hooray,
• 41:06
  yay. But all they're doing, man, is going through
• 41:12
  essentially the same plot, but stupider for kids.
• 41:18
  So these... It's really annoying because it's
• 41:21
  these... They're doing these films again, essentially,
• 41:25
  but they're dumbing them down to make them dumber
• 41:29
  for kids when the first ones were already made
• 41:34
  for a younger audience. What are they doing?
• 41:39
  It makes no sense why they're... And this is
• 41:43
  the thing that we've seen with a lot of these
• 41:45
  sequels. They're dumbing them down so much that
• 41:47
  it's becoming... essentially, like, the most
• 41:52
  basic storytelling. There's no conflict or anything.
• 41:56
  And most of the time, they're just doing the
• 41:59
  first one again, which this film ends up doing.
• 42:02
  It's just the same thing as the first one, but
• 42:05
  way worse. Yeah, because this one's... The first
• 42:08
  one has that kind of conflict of whether Mowgli
• 42:10
  should be in the jungle where he wants to be
• 42:12
  or anything like that. But this one's just Mowgli's
• 42:14
  temporarily lost in the jungle again. Yeah. And
• 42:18
  he needs to... There's an interesting idea with
• 42:22
  it which I think is... I wouldn't even give the
• 42:26
  film credit for it because I think it's just
• 42:28
  where any writer would go to from the first one.
• 42:31
  The conflict of does Mowgli feel like he belongs
• 42:34
  in the man village or does he yearn for the jungle
• 42:36
  still? I think any writer would come to that
• 42:38
  and I think what they do with it here... is just
• 42:43
  the most basic level of it. Like, he does want
• 42:45
  to still be in the jungle. He ends up going in
• 42:47
  the jungle, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah,
• 42:49
  and he likes... What's her name? Is it Shanti?
• 42:54
  Shanti, yeah. He likes Shanti, and he doesn't
• 42:57
  want to show Baloo that he likes Shanti, but
• 43:00
  he also likes Shanti. And he's like, oh, maybe
• 43:05
  Shanti would like the jungle. And he's trying
• 43:08
  to mix jungle with... human with with man village
• 43:13
  kind of thing yeah he's trying to shit where
• 43:15
  he eats exactly um so it's just a yeah it's a
• 43:21
  very um basic how do we merge two worlds together
• 43:25
  that's yeah just fucking sometimes go hang out
• 43:29
  in the jungle sometimes go hang out in the man
• 43:31
  village like what's wrong with that and how does
• 43:34
  it take you a whole 74 minutes or however long
• 43:38
  this fucking film is to come up with that idea
• 43:41
  yeah and um they need to get the because in this
• 43:46
  one shanti's like kind of like mogli's sister
• 43:48
  slash love interest um yeah or whatever uh gross
• 43:52
  well they're not actually related it's just he's
• 43:56
  in that family and like you know uh and there's
• 43:59
  also like a younger one who's a little uh headstrong
• 44:04
  boy um who also is interested in the jungle so
• 44:07
  they need to figure out a way to get them in
• 44:09
  the jungle with mogli just themselves because
• 44:11
  if there's man in the jungle then it's a different
• 44:13
  movie it's just them hunting animals it's just
• 44:15
  craving the hunter yeah exactly but good we're
• 44:20
  not good but better yeah And the way they do
• 44:26
  it is just, well, Shere Khan sneaks into the
• 44:29
  village and causes mayhem as all the villagers
• 44:31
  are trying to get rid of him. Mowgli runs away
• 44:33
  into the jungle. No. No, Baloo comes in as well.
• 44:38
  Yeah. Mowgli runs away with Baloo, who comes
• 44:41
  into the jungle. Let me start that sentence again.
• 44:44
  Baloo comes into the man village. Yeah. At the
• 44:48
  same time that Shere Khan happens to also be...
• 44:50
  going at the man village shanty sees baloo running
• 44:54
  off with mogli over his shoulder and she thinks
• 44:56
  the bear's kidnapping him even though even though
• 45:00
  mogli has told stories about this fucking bear
• 45:03
  and like i wrote it down i was like surely he's
• 45:07
  talked about baloo before Yeah, he sings about
• 45:12
  the jungle and everything. Exactly. He sings
• 45:15
  about the jungle. He does a little presentation
• 45:16
  of like, oh yeah, I hung out with Baloo and all
• 45:19
  of that. What are you talking about? You know
• 45:21
  this bear. Why are you being like, ah, it's a
• 45:24
  blood animal. You know that Mowgli had a connection
• 45:27
  with the fucking animals. Yeah. Even if you didn't,
• 45:31
  there's no reason for Shanti to not go to a father
• 45:34
  and be like, a bear's just kidnapped Mowgli and
• 45:38
  get his help. They kind of like, put this weird
• 45:40
  thing in where she feels like she has to go by
• 45:43
  herself to save Mowgli because no one will help
• 45:44
  her. But there's no conflict that that would
• 45:46
  even be the case. There's no, there's never a
• 45:49
  single second that would put your doubt in the
• 45:51
  mind that the dad would help. He's just a very
• 45:53
  loving father. And he's very, he admonishes Loki,
• 45:57
  Loki, Mowgli. He admonishes Mowgli at one point,
• 46:03
  but he's not like an asshole. He's not like,
• 46:06
  fuck you Mowgli and fuck the jungle. If you go
• 46:08
  near that again, I'll burn it down. The only
• 46:10
  reason that he gets annoyed is because they see
• 46:14
  across the river as really dangerous, which it
• 46:17
  kind of is, you know? It's a jungle. Of course
• 46:20
  it's dangerous. As soon as they go across the
• 46:23
  river, they meet the big python with hypnotizing
• 46:25
  powers. He's got a point. He really does have
• 46:30
  a point, yeah. There's an interesting idea with
• 46:32
  Shere Khan when the film starts where his...
• 46:34
  In the first film, if you mentioned him, the
• 46:37
  animals are all like... oh Shere Khan's after
• 46:39
  him okay shit that's that's bad juju but in this
• 46:42
  one there's an interesting idea where it's like
• 46:44
  Shere Khan's is like uh his riz has been destroyed
• 46:48
  and no one respects him anymore he's like the
• 46:51
  laughingstock of the jungle at the minute because
• 46:53
  he got fooled not even by a man by a child so
• 46:59
  like It would have been really interesting to
• 47:04
  see more of a kind of rising up and proving himself
• 47:08
  again that he is truly the absolute, like, Don.
• 47:14
  Yeah, it's an interesting idea that they just
• 47:17
  kind of do nothing with. And Shere Khan's really
• 47:20
  good in this film as well because he's... uh
• 47:22
  voiced by tony j so it's not the original voice
• 47:25
  actor george sanders um it's tony j who is actually
• 47:30
  played frollo in the hunchback of notredame so
• 47:32
  he's got some disney disney credits to him uh
• 47:36
  and he's great like yeah every time we watch
• 47:39
  one of these sequels it feels like Some of the
• 47:41
  characters are cast well, some of them aren't,
• 47:44
  but the villains are always cast so well compared
• 47:48
  to the original voice actor. I don't get how
• 47:50
  they do it. Genuinely, they do such a good job
• 47:53
  of either replicating or adding on to the legacy
• 47:58
  of that character. Another one that we were talking
• 48:01
  about before was Ka. Yes. So originally, as we
• 48:06
  said, voiced by Sterling Holloway. And then Winnie
• 48:10
  the Pooh comes in, takes over. My goodness, what
• 48:14
  a great casting choice. Well, it makes sense
• 48:17
  because Sterling Holloway is the original Winnie
• 48:19
  the Pooh as well. Exactly. Jim Cummins took it
• 48:22
  over. So it makes sense to do the exact same
• 48:24
  with Clark because it is pretty much the same
• 48:26
  voice. It's spot on. It's so good. They didn't
• 48:30
  do as many S's in this one, though. No, but again,
• 48:34
  they have really fun scenes of Shere Khan and
• 48:36
  Karr on screen together again. I actually really
• 48:39
  like this bit where the little kid beats the
• 48:43
  shit out of Karr and then he kicks him off a
• 48:46
  cliff and then he starts charging and he's like,
• 48:48
  you're not getting off that easy! And it's just,
• 48:52
  I really like that. It's just silly. Yeah, it's...
• 48:56
  You know, he hypnotized... We get the same...
• 48:59
  Like I say, a lot of this is the same beats as
• 49:02
  the first one. You get the car scene where he
• 49:06
  nearly eats Shanti because he hypnotizes her.
• 49:09
  Then he eats a rock. And then you get the Shere
• 49:13
  Khan and car scene. And it's just like... It's
• 49:19
  insane because they do it to the point where
• 49:22
  they even do... the king louis scene however
• 49:26
  legally in this movie they can't use king louis
• 49:30
  so it's a very strange decision to keep referencing
• 49:33
  this character and then not have him in the movie
• 49:35
  yeah they just like baloo's like hell yeah i
• 49:39
  took over this place and and like okay yeah he
• 49:43
  sings a really bad song there and oh it sucks
• 49:47
  this is such a shit version of i want to be like
• 49:51
  you Yeah, let's just say it. It's the music compared.
• 49:55
  I thought when that first song came on, I was
• 49:59
  like, this could be something. It's close to,
• 50:04
  like, at least it's the vibe of the Jungle Book
• 50:07
  kind of thing. Yeah, that one's, like, about,
• 50:11
  like, listening to the jungle beat or something.
• 50:13
  Yeah, and it's all right. And then they go through
• 50:18
  a couple of, they, like, do... bare necessities
• 50:22
  but like a newer version it's fine it's way worse
• 50:26
  talking about prickly pears and pickled peppers
• 50:29
  and whatever um and then they go on to the wild
• 50:33
  song which is the shit version of um i want to
• 50:37
  be like you yeah um and it's just all the songs
• 50:41
  all the original songs are just so much worse
• 50:45
  and even when they do like a an updated version
• 50:49
  of one of the one of the original songs sucks
• 50:52
  man sucks yeah i don't know it's it's it's weird
• 50:56
  to make these decisions that kind of draws more
• 50:58
  attention to the fact that you're not as good
• 51:00
  as the original exactly the cast is the cast
• 51:03
  isn't even bad like we've already glazed a couple
• 51:06
  of them But, like, John Goodman as Baloo just
• 51:09
  isn't it for me. It feels wrong. He's not, like,
• 51:13
  I get it. But if you're going to put someone
• 51:17
  in from Big Lebowski, put Jeff Bridges in. You
• 51:22
  know what I mean? He's way more, how good would
• 51:25
  that be? Because he's so, as the dude, he's so
• 51:29
  chill. And, like, all of that. John Goodman,
• 51:33
  don't get me wrong, he's phenomenal. He's such
• 51:35
  a good actor. He's such a good voice actor. But
• 51:38
  he doesn't fit for Baloo. But someone like Jeff
• 51:43
  Bridges, that would be amazing. That's such a
• 51:46
  good show. That's an amazing show. Like, it would
• 51:51
  be perfect. He has that cool kind of older...
• 51:55
  vibe that would just be a little bit more like
• 51:58
  chilled and laid back kind of thing yeah i i
• 52:03
  think they missed an opportunity there also i
• 52:06
  said this before to you before we started recording
• 52:08
  uh for a film set in india this is a very white
• 52:12
  cast It is, yeah. It's an incredibly white cast.
• 52:16
  Right, so for, like, I guess for the animals,
• 52:20
  whatever, they're animals. They don't necessarily
• 52:24
  have a, like, yes, they are Indian animals. But,
• 52:29
  sure, a snake can sound like that. Sure, a bear
• 52:33
  can sound like that. Yeah, it's kind of like,
• 52:34
  it works in the live action as well, doesn't
• 52:37
  it? Like, Scarlett Johansson's a snake and she's
• 52:39
  as far from Indian as you can possibly be. But
• 52:41
  it works because it's an animal, not a person.
• 52:43
  Exactly. But then the people, there's a couple
• 52:46
  of them that are just plain old white people.
• 52:51
  It's kind of doing like a bit of an Indian accent
• 52:54
  and it is not great. Just a little, yeah. There's
• 53:00
  one, I think there's one Indian person and she's,
• 53:05
  it's the mother of Shanti. I thought it would
• 53:08
  be the mother. And that's it. I'm pretty sure
• 53:11
  that's it. It's crazy. For a film set in India
• 53:16
  to have one Indian person in it is... It blows
• 53:19
  my mind, genuinely. It's John Rhys -Davies of
• 53:25
  Gimli fame as the father. Once again playing
• 53:29
  a racially inappropriate character after Raiders
• 53:32
  of the Lost Ark. But he's great in it. No disrespect
• 53:38
  to him. He does a good job. He's one of the better
• 53:41
  performances in the movie. He's very lovely.
• 53:43
  He's a very good dad in it, isn't he? Yeah. And
• 53:49
  it's, oh, how do you pronounce this kid's name?
• 53:52
  Hayley Joel Osment, is it? Yeah, Hayley Joel
• 53:55
  Osment, the Sixth Sense Kid. Yeah, the Sixth
• 53:57
  Sense Kid. Wild, I had no idea. I see talking
• 54:02
  snakes. So when I first heard the voice, I thought
• 54:07
  it was the... The lady that plays Ash Ketchum
• 54:12
  from Pokemon. Ah, right, yeah. I could see that.
• 54:17
  Yeah, because it's a really young Hayley Joel
• 54:20
  Osment. And I was like, wow, that sounds so familiar.
• 54:23
  It sounds like Ash. But yeah, it was HJO, who's
• 54:30
  great. He's really good. Yeah, no disrespect
• 54:33
  to him. Or Mai Whitman, who's Shanti. Who? Her?
• 54:41
  she does a decent again like it's not like it's
• 54:46
  not ragging on the actors they're just doing
• 54:47
  their job but yeah 100 % we've forgotten one
• 54:50
  exquisite addition to the cast the vultures have
• 54:54
  a new friend called Lucky played by Phil Collins
• 54:58
  Phil Collins of Genesis of drumming fame Phil
• 55:06
  Collins Tarzan's own That's genuinely mental.
• 55:11
  Baffling. I didn't even realise that it was actual
• 55:14
  Phil Collins. He's noticeably not as good as
• 55:19
  the others in this film. He's done some voice
• 55:21
  acting... No. I was going to say he's done some
• 55:24
  before, because he's in one of the Grand Theft
• 55:25
  Autos, but I think he's in Vice City Stories.
• 55:29
  That would have been after this. Right, okay.
• 55:33
  He's not great in it. His character's very obnoxious,
• 55:36
  to be fair, as well. It's a vulture who's...
• 55:37
  He's reveling in the fact that Shere Khan's had
• 55:40
  his legacy taken away and he's just constantly
• 55:43
  ripping on him. What's the matter? Man got your
• 55:46
  tongue? Shut up, Phil Collins, you idiot. He's
• 55:52
  very obnoxious. There's actually a really good
• 55:54
  scene that I loved in this, which is undone later,
• 55:58
  where Shere Khan is just letting him... get a
• 56:02
  few jabs. Oh, man. How fascinating. And then
• 56:06
  he fucking grabs him by the throat and he's like,
• 56:08
  isn't it ironic your name is Lucky? And you just
• 56:11
  see the other vultures fly away as Bill Collins
• 56:14
  screams out in agony like, ahhh! And like, feathers
• 56:17
  go flying. It's like, oh my god! It was really
• 56:21
  good. And then it's just like, I don't know,
• 56:24
  we've undone it. He's back at the end and he's
• 56:26
  alive. He has like one scar. Pissed me off. But...
• 56:29
  It was such a... It was genuinely, like, what
• 56:31
  a good way to have your villain feel menacing
• 56:33
  again than have him, like, decimate the comedic
• 56:36
  relief that I'm sure that, like, while I found
• 56:39
  him aggravating, I'm sure there's probably kids
• 56:41
  sitting around like, this guy fucking rips. This
• 56:43
  guy's awesome. Yeah, yeah. And then check on
• 56:45
  just a knife. Yeah, a knife. Like, oh. But...
• 56:49
  What a shame, man. Yeah. They didn't... They
• 56:53
  brought him back for the sake of having one joke
• 56:56
  at the end of the movie. Yeah. Cowards. Cowards.
• 57:00
  What did you think of the look of this one? To
• 57:03
  me, it feels like the jungle is so lifeless compared
• 57:08
  to the original. It feels less colourful. It
• 57:12
  feels less busy. I don't know. There was something
• 57:15
  about it that just made me feel like, this doesn't
• 57:18
  look good. It's a bit digitally bland, as some
• 57:22
  of them are. We've talked about Bambi 2. used
• 57:27
  a lot of creative measures to overcome the budgetary
• 57:31
  constraints but this one doesn't do anything
• 57:34
  it's just very lifeless and like i say digital
• 57:36
  and clean and it's the one the one note i'll
• 57:40
  give it is that the shadowing on share con is
• 57:43
  usually done really well um i read somewhere
• 57:47
  that they wanted to keep them obscured in darkness
• 57:49
  to kind of show us fallen grace or whatever which
• 57:52
  is that's kind of cool i like that idea But other
• 57:57
  than that, yeah, it's a bit bland looking. Yeah,
• 57:59
  it's not the best. There's something lost again
• 58:04
  in the source. There's a couple of parts where
• 58:06
  you've got the part in the wild song where you've
• 58:12
  got some 3D animation mixed with 2D. Looks fucking
• 58:15
  terrible, man. It's like they gave up on the
• 58:19
  2D animation as they were doing it. So you've
• 58:22
  got this swinging camera in 3D. And they animate
• 58:26
  the 2D animals and stuff. And it looks fucking
• 58:30
  shocking. It's awful. And they've done this before.
• 58:35
  They've done it with Fantasia 2000. They have
• 58:37
  3D and 2D, and it looks fucking great. They've
• 58:40
  got it in other films, I'm sure. I can't remember
• 58:45
  which ones. Tarzan was before this. Yeah. So
• 58:49
  they've done this stuff before, and it looked
• 58:51
  great. It just seemed like they just didn't care.
• 58:55
  yeah uh like all respect to the constraints you've
• 59:00
  got off the budget but this is a this is um a
• 59:03
  fiat record released one so you have to put more
• 59:05
  fucking effort in if you want people to go to
• 59:06
  the cinema to watch this on the weekend the daredevil's
• 59:09
  out as well exactly you want me to not go see
• 59:11
  colin farrell rub his little forehead and go
• 59:13
  a bullseye and you want me to go see this instead
• 59:18
  you got to put some fucking work in yeah um i
• 59:23
  mean Dude, to be fair, 20 million. That's a lot
• 59:29
  of money. It's a fucking shitload of money. Like,
• 59:33
  come on. I wouldn't be surprised if a big five
• 59:36
  of that is in John Goodman's back pocket. Oh,
• 59:39
  100%. Like, so much of that just went straight
• 59:43
  into John Goodman. All of it went to, like, Hayley
• 59:47
  Joel Osment's parents and John Goodman's pocket
• 59:51
  as well. Yeah. Crazy. who's clearly just been
• 59:55
  cast because someone at Disney was like, oh,
• 59:58
  we've had a big bear in a film recently, haven't
• 1:00:00
  we? Sully, that's close enough. Oh, what's his
• 1:00:02
  name? Fuck yeah. I did like, I don't know who
• 1:00:07
  plays Bagheera in this, but I liked him. I thought
• 1:00:10
  he was not spot on to the first one, but he manages
• 1:00:15
  to get the tone pretty well. There's a really
• 1:00:18
  fun bit where Bagheera sees, basically Baloo
• 1:00:22
  has the little kid. On his shoulder. Oh, yeah.
• 1:00:26
  And Bagheera sees him like running through the
• 1:00:28
  jungle with this little kid. He's like, no, not
• 1:00:31
  another one. Yeah, his face literally drops.
• 1:00:34
  He's like, oh. That was fun. Yeah, I enjoyed
• 1:00:39
  that. But yeah, dude, this is just the, it's
• 1:00:42
  just the first one again. But crap. Like. They
• 1:00:47
  do a bit of a. more intense climax with the Shere
• 1:00:51
  Khan chase. What did you think of the ending?
• 1:00:53
  Do you know what? I kind of enjoyed the hitting
• 1:00:57
  the symbols to try and confuse him kind of thing.
• 1:01:00
  And it was all right, but it kind of felt pointless
• 1:01:04
  because it's like they're all pulling him in
• 1:01:07
  different directions. What's the end goal there?
• 1:01:13
  yeah like they have like a little chase which
• 1:01:15
  is quite intense and like well done but then
• 1:01:17
  they get to like that little bit where there's
• 1:01:19
  just gongs around and they just yeah the temple
• 1:01:21
  gong at a different bit and it's like i don't
• 1:01:25
  think shere khan would be getting confused by
• 1:01:27
  you hitting a gong and it goes on for like because
• 1:01:30
  the thing is good minute yeah he knows that mogli's
• 1:01:34
  there he knows that thingy's there as well he
• 1:01:38
  knows that all three of them are there Yeah.
• 1:01:41
  So, like, why would he be getting confused? Choose
• 1:01:43
  one. Choose one and eat them. Yeah. Easy. Like,
• 1:01:48
  oh, man, it's so stupid. I think his defeat in
• 1:01:51
  this one is also, like, just so basic. Like,
• 1:01:56
  the first one has that kind of almost metaphor
• 1:01:59
  of, like, Mowgli's finally using man's power
• 1:02:01
  against him. Yeah. And kind of accepting who
• 1:02:03
  he is. Whereas this one's just, like, a rock
• 1:02:06
  fell on him. Yeah. Okay. He falls in a lava.
• 1:02:10
  And then doesn't fall into lava. In the middle
• 1:02:13
  of the Indian jungle, there's a river of lava.
• 1:02:16
  He falls on a rock there and another rock traps
• 1:02:19
  him on the rock forever, it seems like. Yeah.
• 1:02:23
  Because Jungle Book 3 got axed. Yeah, and then
• 1:02:26
  Lucky comes back. seemingly out of Shere Khan's
• 1:02:31
  stomach. Maybe that's where he was. Maybe that's
• 1:02:34
  how he comes back when Shere Khan falls. He lands
• 1:02:36
  on his back and just goes, lucky comes out. He
• 1:02:42
  is lucky. But yeah, so then Phil Collins just
• 1:02:46
  roasts Shere Khan for eternity, I guess. A fate
• 1:02:50
  worse than death, to be fair. Yeah. Also, how
• 1:02:53
  long until that little platform just sinks into
• 1:02:56
  lava and Shere Khan just burns? Yeah, I mean,
• 1:02:59
  in real life, I don't think you can be that close
• 1:03:01
  to lava without just incinerating. Cooking. Yeah,
• 1:03:03
  that mouth. So basically, a part of the temple
• 1:03:08
  has a lion's face. Carved out of stone in that
• 1:03:13
  kind of... Yeah, a tiger. And it falls on Shere
• 1:03:16
  Khan and traps him. That would essentially just
• 1:03:18
  become an oven. Cooked cat, baby! Do you know
• 1:03:22
  the brazen bull? oh shit yeah the big it's like
• 1:03:27
  a big metal bowl that someone invented where
• 1:03:29
  you'd like put someone in and then heat it up
• 1:03:31
  to kill them in the most torturous way possible
• 1:03:33
  and then the the sounds go through a tube so
• 1:03:36
  it sounds like a ball but this time it's just
• 1:03:39
  him burning and he's just like there's a really
• 1:03:45
  um i actually really this sounds so silly because
• 1:03:48
  like it's such a nothing thing but There's a
• 1:03:51
  really good bit where Shere Khan leaps at Mowgli
• 1:03:53
  right before he gets, quote -unquote, defeated
• 1:03:55
  by slipping, which isn't really whatever. He
• 1:03:58
  does the leap, and then Tony Jade does that little,
• 1:04:03
  like, he goes, like, Mowgli. But I think it's
• 1:04:06
  the first time in this entire, quote -unquote,
• 1:04:11
  franchise that he's ever said his name, which
• 1:04:13
  I kind of like. Like, he's finally put respect
• 1:04:16
  on his name. He's always, like, Mankur, but yeah.
• 1:04:19
  Yeah. So I kind of like that. Yeah. And then
• 1:04:23
  he's dead. Well, he's alive. He's dead inside.
• 1:04:28
  Stupid film, man. And then the movie ends with,
• 1:04:31
  as you said earlier, Mowgli finally realizes
• 1:04:34
  that he can just walk over the river and go see
• 1:04:36
  the animals that he likes whenever he wants.
• 1:04:38
  And that's how the film ends. Yeah. And it's
• 1:04:42
  the same. It's the end of the first one again.
• 1:04:46
  It's the end of the first one, but with the thing
• 1:04:49
  that... Anyone else could have figured out where
• 1:04:51
  it's like, you can just go visit your friends.
• 1:04:52
  You can pop over the side and go say hello. They
• 1:04:56
  were walking distance. Fucking hell. What? Yeah.
• 1:05:00
  Oh, before we finish, Smash Mouth did a cover
• 1:05:03
  of fucking, what was it? Bare Necessities. Yeah.
• 1:05:07
  Or was it I Want To Be Like You? Can't remember.
• 1:05:10
  One of the two, because that's the only two songs
• 1:05:11
  they care about. The Elephants Are In The Swan,
• 1:05:13
  which is nice to see, but they didn't get the
• 1:05:15
  little song. Yeah. Because we talked last week
• 1:05:18
  about how Disney at this time have a lot of military
• 1:05:23
  goofball characters with the elephants. I might
• 1:05:26
  see them again, but they weren't in it much.
• 1:05:28
  Yeah. The vultures are back. They don't get a
• 1:05:30
  song. Nope. The two songs forever and ever and
• 1:05:33
  ever and ever and ever until hell freezes over.
• 1:05:36
  Exactly. Until Shere Khan's river of lava freezes
• 1:05:38
  over. Yeah, I'm still... I'm going to say the
• 1:05:42
  same thing. I'm excited to see when they actually
• 1:05:45
  try for these... uh disney sequels like genuinely
• 1:05:49
  i'm just so curious when we're going to get to
• 1:05:52
  that cut off point where they actually put some
• 1:05:54
  fucking effort in and i'm wondering if it's after
• 1:05:57
  lassiter's guillotine well as you said recently
• 1:06:01
  um because of the way we're doing these we're
• 1:06:05
  getting such a weird order of like this one came
• 1:06:07
  up here and there and this is definitely in the
• 1:06:10
  period of time where it's like make some money
• 1:06:12
  it's prime put the shit out on the wall kids
• 1:06:17
  will lap it up it's fine and it worked they made
• 1:06:21
  nearly 200 million from a film that cost them
• 1:06:25
  20 million yeah um it is weird that this one
• 1:06:29
  is one of the ones they put in the cinema because
• 1:06:30
  i can't figure out what it is about this other
• 1:06:33
  than potentially like jungle books popular i
• 1:06:36
  can't figure out what they thought like about
• 1:06:38
  this whether like this deserves to be in the
• 1:06:40
  cinema same for return to neverland as well it's
• 1:06:42
  like yeah weird decision making so strange man
• 1:06:45
  like yeah i i have no idea i would not be able
• 1:06:49
  to tell you why they did this um this sucks i
• 1:06:54
  really i just did not enjoy it at all yeah i
• 1:06:58
  just i the only thing i can think of is just
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  looking at like which ones would be most popular
• 1:07:02
  and like which ones would like from the original
• 1:07:05
  that's the only thing i can think of yeah Have
• 1:07:08
  you got some trivia about this? Not much, to
• 1:07:11
  be honest. There's not really a whole lot. We
• 1:07:13
  did mention earlier, I mentioned in passing,
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  that King Louis isn't legally allowed to be in
• 1:07:17
  this. And that's due to the voice actor, Louis
• 1:07:21
  Prima's widow, was very unhappy with the fact
• 1:07:25
  that... We've mentioned King Louis is in Tailspin
• 1:07:28
  and he's in Jungle Cups and all this. jim cummins
• 1:07:32
  did the voice and she thought the the voice was
• 1:07:34
  a bit too spot on of his distinctive voice so
• 1:07:37
  she sued them because of it and this was all
• 1:07:40
  going on whilst the jungle book 2 was gestating
• 1:07:43
  so uh they just legally decided let's just not
• 1:07:47
  use them to avoid any issues wow which is i i
• 1:07:51
  had no idea that's crazy and it's it's very weird
• 1:07:55
  because again i don't get if if you can't use
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  them that's fine Don't keep referencing him and
• 1:08:01
  don't go to his lair and all this stuff. Because
• 1:08:03
  he's a very notable exclusion from the film.
• 1:08:06
  Yeah. That's so strange. Yeah. I think House
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  of Mouse was one of the things that they got
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  sued for as well. Because I think he was on that
• 1:08:15
  as well. Really? Wow. So no Louis allowed on
• 1:08:19
  this. No Louis. This is also... I don't think
• 1:08:23
  either of us would agree with this. Even though
• 1:08:25
  we didn't like it. But this is the lowest...
• 1:08:28
  and worst reviewed Disney animated film on Rotten
• 1:08:30
  Tomatoes. It has 18 % approval rating. The next
• 1:08:33
  lowest is Planes at 25%. Wow. Yeah. I definitely
• 1:08:40
  don't think it's the worst one. Do you know the
• 1:08:43
  thing that's annoying about it? It's just, it's
• 1:08:45
  not even, like, I hated Lady and the Tramp 2.
• 1:08:50
  I hated 101 Dalmatians 2. For me, they were bad
• 1:08:54
  in, like, a fun way kind of thing you know what
• 1:08:58
  i mean like this is just bad and also boring
• 1:09:03
  so it's just it's not even that fun to talk about
• 1:09:08
  kind of thing it's just like just less the middle
• 1:09:12
  of the road and it's just like i wouldn't say
• 1:09:15
  it's i i agree i wouldn't say it's the worst
• 1:09:17
  one which is kind of crazy but it's just boring
• 1:09:21
  man it's just I think, to be fair, I think I've
• 1:09:26
  just taken a look. Cinderella 2's got a lower
• 1:09:28
  rating, so I think it means theatrically released,
• 1:09:30
  which kind of makes a little bit more sense,
• 1:09:33
  but I'm still kind of surprised it's the lowest
• 1:09:35
  rated theatrically released one. Did you think
• 1:09:37
  this was worse than 101 Dalmatians 2? No. Really?
• 1:09:43
  Damn, you hated that movie. There's something
• 1:09:45
  about it, man. I don't like it. it's good piece
• 1:09:50
  of shit no it's not it's not good i'm sorry i'm
• 1:09:54
  gonna come around and i'm gonna go five stars
• 1:09:56
  no and then the only other note i've got is that
• 1:09:59
  this is um being phil collins said this is one
• 1:10:02
  of the his four favorite films that he worked
• 1:10:04
  on uh along with tarzan balto and um brother
• 1:10:09
  bear which i think is probably all the other
• 1:10:12
  films he worked on i was gonna say I don't know
• 1:10:17
  what else he would have done. Fucking hell. This
• 1:10:20
  was the first film released under the Disney
• 1:10:24
  Tune Studios label. Ah. So there you go. It's
• 1:10:31
  a big deal historically then. It really is. Phil
• 1:10:35
  Collins is in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. And Hook.
• 1:10:40
  What? Ugh. I don't even like J .J. Bang Bang
• 1:10:45
  that much, but how can you be in Jungle Book
• 1:10:47
  2 and say that? And be like, this is one of my
• 1:10:49
  favourites, baby! Prick. He's also, fun story,
• 1:10:58
  apparently he's the reason that Grand Theft Auto
• 1:11:01
  Vice City Stories doesn't have any re -releases.
• 1:11:05
  Apparently he's the reason. Oh, for fuck's sake.
• 1:11:08
  What a prick. What a prick that guy is. Because
• 1:11:11
  he won't license it, yeah. What a knob. Anyway.
• 1:11:17
  Because the others you can get on PS3. You can
• 1:11:20
  get them as an app and stuff like that. Yeah,
• 1:11:24
  yeah, yeah. Not Vice City Stories. How dare you?
• 1:11:27
  How dare you even think that you would get that?
• 1:11:29
  You need to be approved by Phil Collins. Fuck's
• 1:11:32
  sake. What a loser. So how else did Jungle Book
• 1:11:39
  carry on after this bad boy? Well, we've talked
• 1:11:43
  about all the other ways it's continued, but
• 1:11:45
  the only other thing is that it was meant to
• 1:11:48
  originally get a third one, probably because
• 1:11:51
  this one was fairly well regarded. No, sorry.
• 1:11:55
  Probably because this one was fairly popular
• 1:11:57
  at the box office. Yeah. So the sequel would
• 1:12:00
  have been Baloo and Shere Khan get captured and
• 1:12:03
  sold to a circus. So Mowgli, Shanti, the little
• 1:12:08
  kid in this one, which is like Raja or something,
• 1:12:09
  the Giver would have saved them. Weirdly, I don't
• 1:12:13
  understand this, but weirdly, apparently during
• 1:12:15
  the movie, Shere Khan would regret his hatred
• 1:12:17
  against humanity. because they rescue him but
• 1:12:20
  it's like yeah okay that one that one kid rescued
• 1:12:23
  you but you have just been kidnapped and put
• 1:12:25
  you've been kidnapped and put into the russian
• 1:12:27
  circus like what are you talking about that would
• 1:12:31
  make me more angry yeah if anything like it would
• 1:12:35
  it would prove me right uh yeah you might be
• 1:12:38
  like this all right this one kid is all right
• 1:12:40
  but yeah mostly you're okay but the rest of you
• 1:12:43
  i'm gonna kill all of humanity yeah And then
• 1:12:48
  the fourth one would be Shae Khan gets the nukes.
• 1:12:52
  He gets the codes. But it got cancelled in the
• 1:12:58
  great culling of Disney sequels with John Lasseter's
• 1:13:03
  guillotine. The guillotine never misses. You
• 1:13:10
  know what? It's different. You can't say it's
• 1:13:14
  not different. Yeah, it's not... I think it would
• 1:13:18
  have been way better. It could have been... Do
• 1:13:20
  you know what this could have been? It could
• 1:13:21
  have been The Jungle Books Cinderella 3. It could
• 1:13:26
  have been, yeah. I like the idea. I think it's
• 1:13:29
  way more interesting than this shit. Yeah, definitely.
• 1:13:34
  I don't know if I care about, like, Reform and
• 1:13:36
  Shere Khan or whatever, but it's certainly different,
• 1:13:39
  and that's something that you can't say about
• 1:13:41
  98 % of these movies. Yeah. Which is just regurgitated
• 1:13:45
  the first one. And 98 % of this movie, which
• 1:13:49
  is just regurgitated as the first one. Yeah.
• 1:13:53
  Oh, God. That's a shame. Tony J. also passed
• 1:13:57
  away at this point. Wikipedia would have you
• 1:13:59
  believe that his death is the reason that this
• 1:14:01
  didn't go ahead, but it's not the case. I think
• 1:14:05
  they had already lined up a replacement. Yeah,
• 1:14:08
  you were saying that they'd lined up someone
• 1:14:10
  to replace him, which is heartless, but needed.
• 1:14:15
  Yeah, I mean, Tony Jay did it already to someone
• 1:14:17
  else. Yeah, exactly. He's not going to be where
• 1:14:23
  the buck stops. Yeah, 100%. The jungle buck.
• 1:14:28
  Oh, and on that beautiful little fucking, what
• 1:14:33
  would you call it? I don't know. Metaphor? I
• 1:14:36
  don't know. Pun. That's the one. I forgot English
• 1:14:40
  for a second. We go over to our ranking machine.
• 1:14:46
  Holy shit. What's up? Clint Howard plays the
• 1:14:50
  elephant in the first one. You know Ron Howard's
• 1:14:54
  ugly as fuck brother. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:15:02
  No. Google him. You'll know what I mean when
• 1:15:05
  I say he's ugly as fuck. Flint Howard. Clint.
• 1:15:08
  Clint Howard. Oh. Oh, what an unfort... Oh. It
• 1:15:14
  looks like he's melting. How did Bryce Dallas
• 1:15:17
  Howard come from that gene pool? Like, she's
• 1:15:20
  not his daughter, but like... Yeah, but... You
• 1:15:22
  know what I mean? Yeah. What the fuck? Oh, now
• 1:15:26
  I'm looking at the small Grinch kid. How? He
• 1:15:30
  came up as... People also search for... Speaking
• 1:15:34
  of ugly as fuck people... It says people also
• 1:15:37
  search for, and it's Ron Howard, Rance Howard,
• 1:15:40
  Bryce Dallas Howard, a couple more people, and
• 1:15:43
  then Josh Ryan Evans. Of all the people you could
• 1:15:46
  have clicked on to look at there... Well, I was
• 1:15:48
  like, what's wrong with your face? Okay. Anyway,
• 1:15:55
  yeah, let's... Put it into the ranking machine.
• 1:15:58
  Have we made any upgrades since the salting the
• 1:16:01
  fresh water? I think it just puts a bit of sewage
• 1:16:04
  in the water as well. Well, it now also, like,
• 1:16:07
  because, like, we needed to keep the furnace
• 1:16:09
  inside it going, it now also has, like, two giant
• 1:16:11
  saws on it that cuts down trees in the nearby
• 1:16:13
  jungle and then rams the trees into it, like
• 1:16:17
  the jungle that our little friends here live
• 1:16:21
  in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just a complete deforestation
• 1:16:23
  machine. It's interesting because it actually
• 1:16:25
  has a compartment on the bottom where we can
• 1:16:28
  put new tree seeds in it or reseed as it goes,
• 1:16:31
  but we just haven't bothered. But we never do
• 1:16:32
  that. No, no, no, no. It's also got solar panels
• 1:16:35
  on it, but they're turned off. You smashed one
• 1:16:37
  of them, I think. I did, yeah. You said it was
• 1:16:40
  woke. We also perfected nuclear fusion and it's
• 1:16:47
  clean energy, but we just don't turn it on. No,
• 1:16:50
  it's not worth it. It's not worth the effort.
• 1:16:52
  nah so yeah if you don't know we have four rankings
• 1:16:55
  around here uh we start at the top we've got
• 1:16:58
  disney classics this is a film that lives up
• 1:17:02
  to the original's hype uh it could be its own
• 1:17:05
  like disney classic disney would be proud to
• 1:17:09
  slap that film with a disney classics edition
• 1:17:13
  then we go down to diamond edition diamond edition
• 1:17:16
  is great it's really good it's a good film it's
• 1:17:19
  not quite up to the standard of a disney classic
• 1:17:22
  but this is one that you will watch you will
• 1:17:24
  love um if you're buying it it's got like a nice
• 1:17:27
  little slip disc or something like that oh maybe
• 1:17:30
  some special features on there um from there
• 1:17:34
  we go down to straight to video and straight
• 1:17:36
  to video you know it's all right it's the standard
• 1:17:39
  disney sequel that you you kind of think of it's
• 1:17:43
  it's one of those that just never comes out in
• 1:17:46
  the cinema it's just straight to like it says
• 1:17:50
  on the tin it's straight to video straight to
• 1:17:52
  dvd it keeps the kids entertained on a rainy
• 1:17:55
  sunday exactly but as andy said with 101 dalmatians
• 1:17:59
  if there was a power cut he wouldn't run rush
• 1:18:02
  back to it and last one is bargain bin not even
• 1:18:05
  straight to video you know they've been marked
• 1:18:08
  down so much they're 10p and they're in a bucket
• 1:18:11
  filled with poo and all sorts of things And this
• 1:18:21
  is where you're finding Return to Netherland,
• 1:18:23
  Lady and the Tramp 2, and Cinderella 2. No one
• 1:18:29
  wants to be found in there. So Andy, what are
• 1:18:32
  you thinking with Jungle Book 2? Where are you
• 1:18:35
  putting it? It's tricky. I would be lying if
• 1:18:38
  I said I didn't have any fun with this at all.
• 1:18:42
  So looking at those bargain bin films like Lady
• 1:18:45
  and the Tramp 2 and Cinderella 2, which I just
• 1:18:46
  hated so much. This one was less offensive than
• 1:18:51
  that, but it had nothing much to offer other
• 1:18:53
  than a few good scenes and a good performance
• 1:18:55
  from Tony Jay. And Jim Cummins' car, to be fair.
• 1:18:59
  I think this one, for me, is going to be... It's
• 1:19:04
  so much worse than all the other ones we've put
• 1:19:06
  in the straight -to -DVD, though. But it's so
• 1:19:08
  much better than all the ones we've put in the
• 1:19:09
  bargain bin, in my opinion. I'm going to say
• 1:19:12
  straight -to -DVD. I'm going to be generous.
• 1:19:15
  And say straight to DVD. Based on the fact that.
• 1:19:18
  I had some fun with it. Some of the characters
• 1:19:21
  were. None of the characters I hated by the way.
• 1:19:25
  We talk about. Scamp was atrocious as a character.
• 1:19:29
  But Mowgli's fun in this still. Baloo's miscast.
• 1:19:32
  But he's okay. Shanti's fine. Yeah I think. I
• 1:19:39
  think for me straight to DVD. It's not amazing.
• 1:19:42
  It's not even really good. but I didn't want
• 1:19:47
  to die while I was watching it. Fair enough.
• 1:19:50
  Yeah. Man, I'm so tempted to put it in bargain
• 1:19:52
  bin, but I agree. It's not as bad as those ones.
• 1:19:57
  And it's annoying because if I did put it in
• 1:20:02
  bargain bin, I would say it goes at the top of
• 1:20:05
  the bargain bin kind of thing. Like, I wouldn't
• 1:20:08
  mind that at all. So I'm going to agree with
• 1:20:12
  you and I'm going to say straight to video. but
• 1:20:16
  i'm gonna say it's bottom bottom of it yeah i'll
• 1:20:22
  say it's bottom of straight to video even though
• 1:20:24
  that pains me to put 101 dalmatians 2 above it
• 1:20:28
  at least of 101 dalmatians 2 even if you didn't
• 1:20:31
  like it at least you have the comfort of knowing
• 1:20:33
  that someone liked it enough not i didn't i liked
• 1:20:36
  it as such a generous term as well but like yeah
• 1:20:40
  I liked it more than this. I think we put it
• 1:20:43
  at the bottom of straight to video. So it's like
• 1:20:47
  teetering. If you can picture a bargain bin right
• 1:20:52
  there and then it's like on the edge. It's on
• 1:20:55
  the shelf. It's literally like on the edge. About
• 1:21:00
  to go into the bargain bin. I think that's exactly
• 1:21:03
  where we put it. It's like when you order a thing
• 1:21:05
  in a vending machine and it doesn't come out
• 1:21:07
  fully. Yeah, there could be another film that
• 1:21:12
  comes along and pushes it in. It is like one
• 1:21:18
  wrong move away from being in there. Oh, 100%.
• 1:21:21
  If it was a minute longer, if there was one more
• 1:21:24
  lucky joke, if there was one more second of terrible
• 1:21:29
  Bare Necessities remixes, it would have been
• 1:21:33
  into the bargain bin. Yeah, yeah, 100%. There
• 1:21:37
  we go. It's ranked. You're on thin ice, buddy.
• 1:21:40
  You're on thin ice. You're going to fall in there
• 1:21:43
  if I figure something else out. It's going in
• 1:21:46
  there. How about some Letterboxd reviews? Yeah,
• 1:21:53
  I'd be curious as to what people thought of this
• 1:21:55
  one. Let's have a gander. Well, well, well, well.
• 1:21:59
  This has... Eight fans, which is a whole lot
• 1:22:04
  less. So only eight people on the entirety of
• 1:22:07
  Letterboxd have this in their favourites. It
• 1:22:10
  has a weighted average of 2 .5. That's higher
• 1:22:14
  than I thought. Crazy high. However, the most
• 1:22:18
  reviews that it has are two stars. So it's 8
• 1:22:22
  ,459 two -star ratings. It has 1 ,106... Five
• 1:22:29
  star ratings, which is 3 % of the people that
• 1:22:32
  have watched this. Fucking hell. Who are you?
• 1:22:34
  And how can we get you off Earth? As always,
• 1:22:38
  Shafralas comes in number one as the first review
• 1:22:43
  on there. Why is he watching these? I don't know.
• 1:22:49
  Two and a half stars. And he says, wow, that
• 1:22:52
  sure was the first movie again. Really? I agree.
• 1:22:56
  We've got half a star. From Anya Bo, who says,
• 1:23:02
  Avoid this mess at all costs. The guy lived with
• 1:23:04
  wolves and other wild animals. He just suddenly
• 1:23:07
  lives as a normal human in a village? I think
• 1:23:09
  not. Which, we forgot to say. Good point. We
• 1:23:13
  forgot to say, the wolves aren't even in this.
• 1:23:16
  Oh, yeah, they're not. That's crazy. Why are
• 1:23:19
  they not in it at all? That's his family, man.
• 1:23:22
  He doesn't want to go see his parents? The hell?
• 1:23:25
  What a dickhead. What the hell? Anya also says,
• 1:23:28
  I regret wasting 72 minutes of my life for this.
• 1:23:31
  I just don't get why Disney always feels the
• 1:23:33
  need to release sequels to the movie that sure
• 1:23:38
  don't need any. Two and a half stars from Ray.
• 1:23:41
  Smash mouth cover of I Wanna Be Like You. That's
• 1:23:44
  all they have to say. One and a half stars by
• 1:23:47
  Ketchup. Ranjan is an absolute menace to society.
• 1:23:51
  Is that the little kid? That is the little kid.
• 1:23:53
  I liked him. Yeah, he was alright. He was fine.
• 1:23:57
  Oh my god, this is such a fucking wild take.
• 1:24:01
  Two and a half stars from Wild Willow. The most
• 1:24:05
  surprising thing about this movie is that it's
• 1:24:08
  better than the first one. Whoa! What is her
• 1:24:12
  problem? In the bin. In the letterboxd bin, I
• 1:24:16
  think. It would be one thing if she, like...
• 1:24:19
  really like this one and for the first one but
• 1:24:22
  i hate not like this one and then oh you've wound
• 1:24:26
  me up crazy well i'll leave you on this one two
• 1:24:31
  stars by mark uh kaiser man and he says i was
• 1:24:34
  willing to accept this cash grab sequel for what
• 1:24:36
  it is an exact rehash of the first one uh with
• 1:24:40
  one new song and one absolutely terrible one
• 1:24:43
  but then shanti and baloo started talking to
• 1:24:46
  each other which destroyed the uniqueness of
• 1:24:48
  mogli speaking to animals because he was raised
• 1:24:50
  in the jungle which is what yes i thought i forgot
• 1:24:54
  to say that before that's a good point yeah i
• 1:24:57
  didn't even think about that yeah which is uh
• 1:25:00
  uh it would also because that i mean it the film
• 1:25:05
  could have been simply solved and most of this
• 1:25:08
  conflict wouldn't have been necessary if baloo
• 1:25:10
  just went hey it's me baloo When Shanti, like,
• 1:25:15
  sees a wild animal in the forest that's tickling
• 1:25:19
  and having fun with Mowgli kind of thing. I think
• 1:25:22
  that's about it, isn't it? Yeah. What a disappointing
• 1:25:26
  film. What a disappointing film. Disappointing
• 1:25:28
  film, yeah. But I like that universe, so it was
• 1:25:33
  still fun to talk about Jungle Book. Agreed.
• 1:25:35
  I really enjoyed talking about the first one
• 1:25:37
  with you. Yes. Yeah. Oh, dear. But yeah. That's
• 1:25:43
  that. What are we doing next time? Do you not
• 1:25:47
  remember? Nope. Well, now I'll tell you. We are
• 1:25:50
  watching... Sorry. We are watching the first
• 1:25:56
  Disney sequel next time. So we are going to be
• 1:26:00
  watching The Rescuers Down Under. Oh, cool. Interesting.
• 1:26:06
  What's your history with The Rescuers? Nada.
• 1:26:10
  I haven't seen any of it. same no ideas um so
• 1:26:15
  i'm curious me too uh one of our loyal listeners
• 1:26:20
  josh is a real big fan of the rescuers okay um
• 1:26:24
  he says the second one is even better oh bold
• 1:26:29
  claim so bold claim for something i i i think
• 1:26:37
  they're meant to be good as well like um like
• 1:26:39
  i don't it's not a straight to dvd one it's a
• 1:26:42
  it's a proper theatrical disney classic release
• 1:26:45
  so yeah i hope that it's going to be more interesting
• 1:26:49
  than uh than this at least cool okay well that's
• 1:26:53
  fun i'm looking forward to that right should
• 1:26:55
  we say some thank yous oh yeah so firstly as
• 1:27:01
  always thank you to Joe Terone for our wonderful
• 1:27:04
  music we love it so much yes yes we do and thank
• 1:27:09
  you to Jordan GR producer who helped create the
• 1:27:13
  concept of the thing and helped design our artwork
• 1:27:15
  and blah blah blah lots of love thank you to
• 1:27:19
  Andy for sorting out all the edits you're a star
• 1:27:24
  You're welcome. I would say thank you to you,
• 1:27:26
  but you told me not to last week. Yeah, don't
• 1:27:28
  thank me. I still haven't done any more socials,
• 1:27:32
  but I've got some ideas. So when I've got a little
• 1:27:35
  bit more time, I'll be sorting those out. Thank
• 1:27:37
  you for everyone for listening. We love you lots.
• 1:27:41
  I keep seeing a couple more people following
• 1:27:43
  us on Instagram, which is very nice to see. So
• 1:27:47
  hopefully things are growing over there. Thank
• 1:27:50
  you so much. If anyone's still listening, we
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  love you lots. If you have any feedback for anything
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  you want to see us do, if you want to see us
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  hitting that Jungle Book Groove party on the
• 1:28:01
  dance mat, hit us up. Where can they hit us up,
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  James? Oh, they can hit us up either at aftereverafterpod
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  at gmail .com or they can follow aftereverafterpod
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  at on Instagram. Andy's just put up a picture
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  in front of his webcam of him looking very stern
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  with some sunglasses on and it's thrown me off
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  completely. Oh, God. So, yeah, you can find us
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  on Instagram at AfterEverAfterPod. And you can
• 1:28:43
  find me at JimmySmerds on Instagram and Narumph
• 1:28:49
  on Letterboxd. Where can they find you, Andy?
• 1:28:54
  I'm at OdiePort on the Letterboxd and I'm at
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  Oatman's Movies on the Instagram. Amazing. Cool.
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  Lovely. Andy? I'll see you after Ever After.
• 1:29:08
  I'll see you after Ever After. Bye! Look after
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  yourself in the cruel cold jungle, James. I will.
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  Don't fall into random bits of lava around a
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  temple.