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152: The Allure of the Creature · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: You go, I'm Fred, and then I go, I'm Greg.
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  Speaker 1: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 6: Way down among Brazilians Coffee beans grow by the billions
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  Speaker 6: So they've.
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  Speaker 9: Got to find those extra cups to fill They got
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  Speaker 9: an awful lot.
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  Speaker 2: Of coffee in Brazil What's up, and welcome to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Fred.
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  Speaker 6: I'm Greg.
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  Speaker 2: And once again this week, if you were here last time,
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  Speaker 2: we had both Steve and Dave with us, and they
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  Speaker 2: are here once again.
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  Speaker 1: Hello, we're back.
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  Speaker 6: Hey, it's Dave.
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  Speaker 3: Again, I'm slow on the pickup, but I actually just
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  Speaker 3: forget my name. It takes me a minute.
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  Speaker 2: That sounds about right, actually. All right, so once again,
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  Speaker 2: and it's time for another session of the Caffeinated Movie Geek.
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  Speaker 6: Cappuccino my butt.
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  Speaker 1: I still drink coffee. The last fucking thing you need
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  Speaker 1: is another cup of coffee. It's time for Decaffeinated Movie Geek.
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  Speaker 2: We're coming to you live via digital recording from Nancy's
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  Speaker 2: Bagel Grounds, where we're going to hang out, drink coffee, and,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, figure out how the world works via movies. So,
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  Speaker 2: once again, this should be fun. Steve, I ask you,
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  Speaker 2: what blend of coffee are we drinking this week?
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  Speaker 10: We're drinking Oregon Dysentery.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, Oregon Breakfast.
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  Speaker 2: I told you we already did that joke. That wasn't... Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I know. We just love Jason Terry.
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  Speaker 12: You implemented it.
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  Speaker 2: You stuck it in my brain. It doesn't take much
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  Speaker 2: to jam things in there. It's been a difficult day.
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  Speaker 2: It's a big open space. It's fun. So, with that,
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  Speaker 2: we can get into the geek activities. This time around,
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  Speaker 2: we have Steve and Dave to do it. So, what
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  Speaker 2: have you been doing, either watching or geeking? activities of
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  Speaker 2: any sort i saw the.
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  Speaker 12: Greatest 3d movie of all time a herald in kumar
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  Speaker 12: christmas oh god it was phenomenal there was actually a
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  Speaker 12: giant ring of pot smoke that drifted out into the
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  Speaker 12: audience and hovered.
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  Speaker 10: Above our heads and it wasn't the primus concert that
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  Speaker 10: i was at a But it just drifted up.
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  Speaker 6: It was the most gratuitous.
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  Speaker 10: Use of 3D technology I have ever seen. And it
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  Speaker 10: was wonderful.
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  Speaker 2: It's sad when you can say it's the best use
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  Speaker 2: of 3D technology since Jackass 3D. No, no, no.
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  Speaker 10: But it sure did it a hell of a lot
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  Speaker 10: better than Avatar.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's not saying much.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 1: But, okay, they had.
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  Speaker 12: I think he was, they had a guy just pointing
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  Speaker 12: at the camera and his fingers came out and hovered
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  Speaker 12: over the audience. And it was not a $ 5 million
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  Speaker 12: flower floating horizontally across the screen. Or, wait, there's Harry
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  Speaker 12: Potter where it's only the first eight minutes of the
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  Speaker 12: movie that's in 3D. But it's still full price for
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  Speaker 12: the 3D glasses.
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  Speaker 2: Look, we can't afford to shoot the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: Come on.
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  Speaker 6: What do you think we are?
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  Speaker 2: The most.
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  Speaker 10: Greatest selling book series of all time.
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  Speaker 2: The most successful run of films ever? What the hell? So,
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  Speaker 2: anything other than that? Alright, I guess that's it. Should
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  Speaker 2: we move on then?
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  Speaker 10: I was just going to tell you about Harold and Kumar.
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  Speaker 10: It was just phenomenal.
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  Speaker 1: They shot Santa Claus.
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  Speaker 2: Or re-spoiling that. He's a menace.
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  Speaker 13: That bastard.
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  Speaker 6: I know.
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  Speaker 1: But okay, we'll move on.
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  Speaker 2: Unless you have anything else.
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  Speaker 10: I really don't have any other geek activities.
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  Speaker 1: I've been locked.
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  Speaker 12: In my studio for a week working on non-movie related.
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  Speaker 1: Stuff, damn me.
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  Speaker 2: That's still geeky though. You're carving away on leather.
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty geeky.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, I've been working on leather for a week and
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  Speaker 12: I have a show up the street at Caviar Gallery.
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  Speaker 10: And no one listening to the podcast will know what
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  Speaker 10: any of that is.
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  Speaker 2: And it's over by now, so.
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  Speaker 14: No, it's over.
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  Speaker 2: You guys missed it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, probably, because, yeah.
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  Speaker 15: You won't.
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  Speaker 6: Suckers.
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  Speaker 2: Tough luck.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you missed that show, people listening. It was fantastic.
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  Speaker 14: It was.
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  Speaker 10: I did a pure carb leather corset. And now, I wonder.
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  Speaker 6: What you think.
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  Speaker 2: That's pretty geeky, though, I have to say.
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  Speaker 10: It is totally geeky, but I haven't, I've had no
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  Speaker 10: other life.
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  Speaker 16: What?
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  Speaker 17: So, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We all fall into that category quite often.
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  Speaker 16: Sleeping's overrated, I'm telling you.
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  Speaker 2: All right, continue. All right, Dave, do you have a
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  Speaker 2: more active lifestyle?
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  Speaker 6: Being a geek is all I do.
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  Speaker 2: Me too.
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  Speaker 6: Professionally, casually too. I've been working on lining up stuff
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  Speaker 6: for this year's Wonderfest, which of course I'm not allowed
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  Speaker 6: to talk about.
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  Speaker 9: It's all secret.
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  Speaker 6: It's the first of January. It's all secret. We're going
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  Speaker 6: to be celebrating the summer of 1982. which was like
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  Speaker 6: the biggest genre summer ever.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And I think still is. As far as really cool
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  Speaker 6: movies coming out in one summer, you know, Wrath of Khan,
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  Speaker 6: Blade Runner, E.T., Conan the Barbarian, all those pictures hit
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  Speaker 6: in one summer. And it's been 30 years, which is
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  Speaker 6: hard for me to believe. So I'm looking at spotlighting
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  Speaker 6: that in this year's show. It should be a lot
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  Speaker 6: of fun.
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  Speaker 2: Very cool.
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  Speaker 6: We're working on guests and working on themes right now.
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  Speaker 6: And as far as movie watching, I mean, I don't
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  Speaker 6: get out. I've been spending the last... six years in
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  Speaker 6: the child care cave, which I love. You know, it's
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  Speaker 6: great being a stay-at-home dad.
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  Speaker 2: It just changes things.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I watch what my daughter Allie watches, and
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  Speaker 6: luckily she has my taste.
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  Speaker 2: Whether she likes it or not.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. She doesn't know what most conventional kids watch, which
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  Speaker 6: is great.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to suck when school's good.
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  Speaker 6: When she was three, you know, we watched Tarantula every
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  Speaker 6: morning for breakfast. Jack Arnold.
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  Speaker 2: I love our parenting style on this show. Yeah, Jay
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  Speaker 2: takes his kid and watches Mystery Science Theater every week.
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  Speaker 6: That's cool. Yeah, we dragged out Destroy All Monsters the
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  Speaker 6: other night, which she loves. She's a big Godzilla fan.
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  Speaker 6: Had a ball with that. Can't wait to pick up
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  Speaker 6: the new Blu-ray. It's coming out, or it just came out,
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  Speaker 6: so it's on my Christmas list. I got the Criterion
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  Speaker 6: Island of Lost Souls, which was great to see again.
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  Speaker 6: Haven't seen that since it was on TV, I think,
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  Speaker 6: back then. In the early 90s, AMC used to run
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  Speaker 6: those Universal and Paramount classics, so that was fun. I
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  Speaker 6: had great running commentary. I think Rick Baker and Bob
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  Speaker 6: Burns were on there. John Landis. It was fun to see.
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  Speaker 6: The print was pretty good. There are no great prints,
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  Speaker 6: but that was pretty cleaned up and nice to see.
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  Speaker 6: Most of my movie viewing now is via DVD. I've
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  Speaker 6: got Netflix, but I so rarely have time to sit
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  Speaker 6: and download or watch something. It's just one of those things.
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  Speaker 6: It's generational. I'm just Just don't think about it. Don't
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  Speaker 6: think about being able to watch movies on my computer.
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  Speaker 2: It's weird how quickly I've changed.
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  Speaker 6: It's still a novelty to me.
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of it shifted with the show.
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  Speaker 2: I think I started watching things differently because most of
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  Speaker 2: the time it was, oh, we have to watch this
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  Speaker 2: for the show or I need to get a copy
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  Speaker 2: of that for the show. So I think that changed
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  Speaker 2: my approach. Otherwise, I was pretty– I mean, I didn't
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  Speaker 2: have Netflix for years until they started the streaming.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, when they started the streaming is when I bought in.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: It was because I'd hear about a movie that would
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  Speaker 6: bypass this market, or I didn't get out to see it.
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  Speaker 6: So I think it was one day I was having
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  Speaker 6: a discussion with a friend of mine about Antichrist, Lars
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  Speaker 6: von Trier. That's the moment I signed up and downloaded it.
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  Speaker 6: I was horrified watching Antichrist. But there it was. That's cool.
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  Speaker 6: It's accessible. It was nice to be able to get
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  Speaker 6: a movie that way. But so much of what I
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  Speaker 6: watch is the stuff I grew up with.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And I'm of that generation where I saw so much
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  Speaker 6: on TV, and I'm a genre fan, so I'll watch
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  Speaker 6: a lot of old movies and share them with my kid.
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  Speaker 6: I think the only newer film I picked up on
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  Speaker 6: DVD was Tree of Life, which I do love. I
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  Speaker 6: like Tree of Life a lot. It's kind of controversial.
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  Speaker 2: We have someone here that's not a fan, but I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: A big fan.
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  Speaker 6: You know, a lot of people think it's pretentious.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do.
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know how they fit a three-hour-long Discovery
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  Speaker 3: Channel special into the first 15 minutes of a movie.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, but I cry when I watch the dinosaurs. I do.
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  Speaker 2: That's the best part.
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  Speaker 6: For me, it's like there are so few filmmakers that
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  Speaker 6: make films outside of, I guess what you call the mainstream.
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  Speaker 18: Conventional conventional that i don't mind subsidizing them i used
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  Speaker 18: to feel that way about lynch yeah he was one
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  Speaker 18: of the only surrealist filmmakers working but now he's gone
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  Speaker 18: a little too far in the other direction.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes He's not in his right mind regardless.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. I still respect what he did and what he
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  Speaker 6: continues to do to some degree. Well, I thought the.
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  Speaker 1: Parts of the movie were very good.
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  Speaker 3: They just didn't fit together for me.
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  Speaker 6: It's truly this odd kind of spiritual thing. For me,
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  Speaker 6: it worked because of the age I am and the
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  Speaker 6: fact that I've got a kid who's six years old.
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  Speaker 6: We kind of could share some of those feelings.
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  Speaker 3: I thought the kid stuff was the best stuff.
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  Speaker 6: In the movie. It's almost hyper-realistic, the way it captures
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  Speaker 6: those little moments of growing up and watching your kids change.
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  Speaker 2: It's very good.
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  Speaker 1: And I like those kinds of stories.
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  Speaker 6: So it is odd to see it thrown in with,
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  Speaker 6: you know, a 2001 Dawn of Man type thing.
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  Speaker 3: Was the one thing, was that a cosmic vagina?
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't tell.
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  Speaker 1: Was it a cosmic vagina?
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  Speaker 2: I rented that once. That was not near as good
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  Speaker 2: as I was expecting.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It was not what I was expecting.
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  Speaker 1: Did you have to look at the printed list from
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  Speaker 1: the back?
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  Speaker 6: There was one of those in Star Trek, the motion picture,
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  Speaker 6: if you look closely.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't near as good as 2069, but.
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  Speaker 6: That's like a Doug Trumbull trait because they brought him
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  Speaker 6: out of retirement for this, the guy that did the
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  Speaker 6: effects for 2001 and Close Encounters and Blade Runner. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: he hasn't done much work in years, and Doug Trumbull
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  Speaker 6: was brought in as a consultant. So there's a lot of,
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  Speaker 6: being an effects geek, there's a lot of what they
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  Speaker 6: now want to call organic effects work. Humans did it.
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  Speaker 2: Humans?
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  Speaker 6: Chemicals did it.
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  Speaker 2: What the hell?
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  Speaker 6: It's not pure digital. There's a fair share of digital.
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  Speaker 3: So it was a claymation cosmic vagina.
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  Speaker 2: Ooh, I like that.
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  Speaker 6: You can see the fingerprints.
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  Speaker 3: A pasta vagina.
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  Speaker 1: What a wonderful phrase.
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  Speaker 6: It's our motto.
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  Speaker 2: What's our motto? I don't know. What's our motto?
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  Speaker 20: Sorry.
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  Speaker 6: So I did watch that a couple more times. I
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  Speaker 6: just get into that a lot.
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  Speaker 12: Everyone's getting into their feminist sitting around naked eating pomegranates moments.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's about all I got to.
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  Speaker 2: Cool aren't well with that i guess we can take
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  Speaker 2: a break and we will come back with this week's movie.
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  Speaker 21: Oh Far from the civil war, humans are marching in,
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  Speaker 21: war creatures taking in their days and years. Revenge is
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  Speaker 21: close at hand, a backlash over genius, in the jungle
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  Speaker 21: of the tribal war.
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  Speaker 17: When words collide, we're expanding.
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  Speaker 15: Black creature from the black lagoon Black creature from the.
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  Speaker 21: Black lagoon Black creature Black.
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  Speaker 14: Creature Black creature With black blood.
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  Speaker 6: Golden, pure, creamery butter.
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  Speaker 22: Rich, flavorful, satisfying. That's what it takes for the finest
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  Speaker 22: buttered popcorn, and that's what we use. See for yourself
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  Speaker 22: why there's no showtime treat to equal the crisp, delicious
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  Speaker 22: flavor of hot popcorn that's bathed in real melted butter.
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  Speaker 6: It's at the concession stand now.
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  Speaker 7: In the near future, in the shadow of Saturn's rings,
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  Speaker 7: stranded beneath the surface of the barren moon called Titan.
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  Speaker 7: scientists find the one thing they never expected.
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  Speaker 15: Is anybody here?
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  Speaker 7: Was expecting them.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my God!
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  Speaker 7: And suddenly, those who had traveled across the galaxy had
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  Speaker 7: run out of space.
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  Speaker 19: Creature.
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  Speaker 8: We found someone's Collection of life from all over the galaxy,
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  Speaker 8: like a child's butterfly collection. Only some of these butterflies
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  Speaker 8: are not so friendly.
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  Speaker 6: Who wants to keep us here?
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  Speaker 2: What's that?
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  Speaker 6: It's opened one of the doors.
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  Speaker 10: This thing is using it for food.
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  Speaker 3: It's using our own man to kill each other.
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  Speaker 2: Now!
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  Speaker 6: Creature.
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  Speaker 7: It kills to live.
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  Speaker 13: And it lives to kill.
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  Speaker 23: Hey, this is.
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  Speaker 15: Tom Woodruff Jr.
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  Speaker 9: I'm the man inside the alien suit, and you're listening
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  Speaker 9: to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 23: I'm going to groove tonight. Just came back in love.
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  Speaker 23: Now I'm a growth man too. Mummy and the creature
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  Speaker 23: from the black hood. We need silver foot. We need
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  Speaker 23: wooden sticks. Normal stuff won't stop because they live on hate.
• 15:25
  Speaker 23: Speak some magic words from a virgin's lips.
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  Speaker 10: Maybe that'll shake.
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  Speaker 13: It's time for Sofa Theater.
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  Speaker 24: Up from the depths of the mighty Amazon comes a
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  Speaker 24: creature to astound and terrorize the world.
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  Speaker 19: No!
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  Speaker 1: Creature from the Black Lagoon.
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  Speaker 24: Shocking in the realism of the screen's first underwater three-dimension thrill.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds incredible, but it appeared to be human.
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  Speaker 6: I tell you, it's the greatest find yet. Nothing compares
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  Speaker 6: to it.
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  Speaker 24: Grimly, men of daring venture into a dread world underwater,
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  Speaker 24: stalking a creature of frightening fury, a creature stirred to
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  Speaker 24: strange emotions by its first sight of a woman. You'll
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  Speaker 24: see the most amazing underwater photography that the screen has
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  Speaker 24: ever known in this strangest of all science fiction adventures.
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  Speaker 24: Creature from the Black Lagoon, starring Richard Carlson and Julia Adams,
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  Speaker 24: even more amazing in three dimensions.
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  Speaker 9: Well, I'm a teenage zombie, I'm a forever, well, I'm
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  Speaker 9: the creature from the Black Lagoon.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I'm a big picture movie star, living as long
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  Speaker 6: as my head is full of blood and I roll.
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  Speaker 10: And when the script is over, the actors.
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  Speaker 2: Go, my brain's just fire and brawl.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not a.
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  Speaker 10: Fucking I actually have notes on this one.
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  Speaker 6: Cool.
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  Speaker 1: If you have to leave, we'll just read through your notes.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what Steve does.
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  Speaker 1: I have notes.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, who was the kid on Welcome Back, Cotter?
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  Speaker 1: I've got a note. Which kid was he? It wasn't Horseshack.
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  Speaker 2: It was Epstein.
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  Speaker 1: Epstein. Epstein always had a note for every occasion.
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  Speaker 6: Lord. All right.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Movie Meltdown Sofa Theater. This week's Sofa
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  Speaker 2: Theater feature is Creature from the Black Lagoon. The year
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  Speaker 2: is 1954. Director Jack Arnold. The plot, according to IMDb,
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  Speaker 2: a strange prehistoric beast lurks in the depths of the
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  Speaker 2: Amazonian jungle. A group of scientists try to capture the
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  Speaker 2: animal and bring it back to civilization for study. That's
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  Speaker 2: not too bad, I guess. Spoiler alert. It's what you've
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  Speaker 2: had since 1954. For God's sakes, just go watch Creature
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  Speaker 2: from the Black Lagoon.
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  Speaker 19: Right.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Normally I'd say, where would you like to begin?
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  Speaker 2: But this is one of the few monster movies that
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  Speaker 2: starts at the beginning of life on the planet.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Hell, 2001 doesn't even do that. They at least wait
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: until the dawn of man.
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: No.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: This is like when, you know, amoebas get together and
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: we kick off this movie.
• 18:18
  Speaker 10: But they fast forward it.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: They do very quickly.
• 18:20
  Speaker 10: They really fast forward it. It's like time begins.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: And people.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Next thing you know, we're in the 50s.
• 18:26
  Speaker 10: I'm assuming it's the 50s.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Here's a McDonald's. This is our society now.
• 18:32
  Speaker 11: Well, I loved how when you look back on this,
• 18:41
  Speaker 11: back in 1954, you were having that space race is coming,
• 18:46
  Speaker 11: we've ended the war, everything's going great.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: For us as the United States, and There was questions
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: about where we were going and who's the bad guy
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: and what's going to happen. But there was no question about,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: at least presented in this movie, this happened. We evolved,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: man evolved, science, it was this exact amount. Now today,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: you couldn't put that out in a movie and say,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: this definitively happened. We definitively evolved and we came from
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: the waters. If you said that now, there would be
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: people boycotting your movie.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Probably. It is funny how much they didn't question that
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: in 54.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: They didn't question it at all.
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: This is progress.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: What's really curious about that is how conservatism is progressive.
• 19:38
  Speaker 19: Right.
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: Right. What was conservative enough decades ago is not conservative
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: enough now.
• 19:45
  Speaker 19: It's now.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: That's like progressive. We also fast-forwarded that.
• 19:49
  Speaker 19: Yeah.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: We've gotten very conservative slash PC.
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: I thought, you know, I hadn't seen it since I
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: was a kid.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Didn't remember a whole lot of it. I thought it
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: was pretty good.
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: I did, too. I really liked it.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: It was really pretty good.
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: It's a very solid movie.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: I fell into that category. I saw it as a
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: kid and... loved the character at the time, but it
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: had been a long time since I've revisited it.
• 20:11
  Speaker 12: I was really hesitant to participate in this movie review
• 20:14
  Speaker 12: because I had never seen this movie.
• 20:18
  Speaker 10: And if I had, I did not remember seeing this movie.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Right. And he first told me.
• 20:23
  Speaker 12: Creature from the Black Lagoon, and I'm thinking, there is no.
• 20:26
  Speaker 10: Way I'm going to give this an objective look. I'm
• 20:28
  Speaker 10: going to look at it and I'm going to go,
• 20:30
  Speaker 10: oh my God, this is so boring. And that was
• 20:34
  Speaker 10: this morning.
• 20:35
  Speaker 12: So I decided I'm going to watch it on my
• 20:38
  Speaker 12: iPhone this afternoon.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Speaking of moving into new formats.
• 20:45
  Speaker 12: I'm watching this thing on my iPhone and it's like
• 20:48
  Speaker 12: it opens up and you just see this giant explosion
• 20:53
  Speaker 12: and all these things.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: It was made for 3D.
• 20:56
  Speaker 10: So, you know, it could have been as good as
• 20:58
  Speaker 10: Harold and Kumar's Christmas.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Back in the day. I'm sure it was.
• 21:03
  Speaker 10: I'm sure it was awesome. It was still awesome.
• 21:05
  Speaker 12: I don't think Harold and Kumar is going to be
• 21:08
  Speaker 12: that cool in 66 years.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: No, probably not.
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: No, probably not.
• 21:12
  Speaker 12: But this one really withstood the test of time. But
• 21:17
  Speaker 12: I was watching it, and I just kind of got
• 21:20
  Speaker 12: the progression, and I started asking myself, because I do
• 21:24
  Speaker 12: a lot of writing, and I started to ask myself,
• 21:28
  Speaker 12: who's our protagonist here?
• 21:30
  Speaker 10: Who's our main character?
• 21:32
  Speaker 12: So I made a list of all the people who
• 21:34
  Speaker 12: live and die in the movie. And I started to
• 21:39
  Speaker 12: ask myself, what's this movie actually about? And basically what
• 21:46
  Speaker 12: I got was.
• 21:49
  Speaker 10: Let me read my notes here, because I don't remember.
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: I heard them earlier.
• 21:53
  Speaker 10: I'm going off cuff here.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Extemporaneous.
• 21:58
  Speaker 12: Um....
• 22:01
  Speaker 10: Anyway, I can't read.
• 22:05
  Speaker 12: What I think this movie was about, and the main character,
• 22:09
  Speaker 12: our protagonist, was David Reed.
• 22:15
  Speaker 10: But who do you think the antagonist was? Who was
• 22:19
  Speaker 10: the villain?
• 22:20
  Speaker 13: His boss?
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you got it.
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: Exactly.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 22:23
  Speaker 19: Yeah.
• 22:23
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: So... Not the monster.
• 22:26
  Speaker 10: The monster was just kind of a back shadow, and
• 22:28
  Speaker 10: I like that.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Well, one was the science guy, the other was the
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: money guy. There's an inherent conflict there, because if science
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: was really driven by money, you wouldn't publish your findings.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: You would keep your findings to yourself, and that's what
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: the patent office works against. It's trying to bribe people
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: into the scientific models.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: You have to write out an explanation... of.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Whatever you discover, and that becomes a public document, and
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: for that, they grant you a limited-term monopoly.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: It's a thoughtful movie.
• 23:04
  Speaker 10: What was that guy's name again, the boss?
• 23:08
  Speaker 12: That was Mark Williams, Dr.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Mark Williams. He was the guy who looked kind of
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: like an intense.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, who was.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Fraser's brother, David Hyde Pierce.
• 23:20
  Speaker 10: Kind of a David Hyde Pierce quality.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: A little manlier, but yeah, I'll give you that.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: A lot manlier.
• 23:28
  Speaker 10: David Hyde Pierce could be on steroids and not be that.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Those guys were like old school in shape. They weren't
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: like the puffy definition. They were like just actually in shape.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: There was a little beefiness to it, but it wasn't
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: defined because nobody cared about definition. Now that's all it is.
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: Artificially induced.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that too.
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: It was real activity.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Pumping iron.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: There was no machinery involved.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Old man strength.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: You know, an 80-year-old guy who can open the jar
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: and nobody else can. Where does that come from?
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: The Korean War.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, but.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: But that girl, Kay, man, she was a fucking encyclopedia
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: of 50s ingenue gestures and looks. And I just couldn't quit. And,
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: you know, you watch the creature from the Black Lagoon,
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: and you can't help thinking what it would be like
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: to have sex with that thing.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: And by that thing, I mean a 50s chick.
• 24:33
  Speaker 12: Right.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: A 50s chick. What were those things?
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: And then she had, like, seams over her boobs in
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: the bathing suit.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: They had those 50s torpedo boobs.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: What would a woman like that be like in bed?
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: And sometimes I would watch her and I'd.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Think, okay, now she's not being a 50s chick.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: She's just standing there. Oh, wait, I'm wrong.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: It was part of a long-term 50s chick gesture.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Stare into the distance for about 12 seconds.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: And then, think, in quotation marks, there's this, like, chick thinking.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: And it registers.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: And then she sort of goes, huh? What was all
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: that stuff?
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Man, I don't know.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: I was just fascinated by it. She worked as a
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: plot device just the same as the creature did. I mean,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: she was the tension between the two guys, like the
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: physical manifestation of their tension.
• 25:36
  Speaker 12: And.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: She was what the creature wanted to get off of.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: You know, monsters and other creatures and species, they like
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: our women.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: They like our females.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: And I've got to, like, grant that to them because
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: we have, like, some hot females that humankind does. I
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: can understand the attraction.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: You know, there's, like, King Kong.
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: Fay Wray.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: There was a lot of similarities there, yeah. Yeah, there were.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: And actually, I think when they were planning to do
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: a remake, Peter Jackson was like maybe going to.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Do it, but he decided no.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I think they offered him a feature remake.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: It probably would have been fantastic.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: He probably should have gone there.
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: At one point, John Carpenter was poised to do a remake,
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: and then Eddie Murphy was.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: He walked out.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Well, they are doing a remake of Preacher from the
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Black Lagoon.
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: It's supposed to be released for a while. Guillermo del
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: Toro was up for it. I don't know if that's
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: on his list.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: He could.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Man, and then later in the movie, she gets this
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: Gilligan's Island Mary Ann thing going with her little pants
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: and a tied up... There ain't nothing wrong with that.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: You know, she has a very.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Or maybe this goes the opposite direction. But she has
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: a very Jennifer Connelly look to her.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: And, I mean, there was a time where I really
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: dug Jennifer Connelly quite a lot. So I didn't mind
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: looking at her. I probably would have acted just like
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: the creature myself.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: And still might.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Here's my question about the creature.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Okay, the first we see is he.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Puts his hand up.
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Like out of the water.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Right. what's he doing? I mean, what is he, is
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: he down there like masturbating?
• 27:26
  Speaker 10: And he's like, I think I'll risk my hand up here.
• 27:29
  Speaker 10: You have to say something about that.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Steve was trying to escape and he came back just
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: for that.
• 27:36
  Speaker 12: Because the hand kept, yeah, the hand kept, I think
• 27:40
  Speaker 12: that was a 3D kick.
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: It was. It was a concession 3D, yeah.
• 27:43
  Speaker 12: But at the same time, it's like, he, it, Was
• 27:46
  Speaker 12: it the exact same clip, just over and over again?
• 27:48
  Speaker 10: Did they just film the one hand?
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: No, because one time the hand appears to have sight,
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: because she's standing there, and the hand comes out and
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: reaches toward her, but as she walks off, it's as
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: if he can see that, and.
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: Goes, ah, fuck it.
• 28:03
  Speaker 12: Yeah, the monster hand. I was just like, is he
• 28:11
  Speaker 12: trying to sell something? Does the hand want to have
• 28:14
  Speaker 12: a conversation with her ankle?
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Well, it's like the hand, and in a way the
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: monster is like a reflection.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Of our fear of it.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: And he seems to kill based on, if you're terrified
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: of me, I'm going to kill you. Because other times
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: he's not really interested in getting out and killing people.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: But then he gets out and somebody sees him and
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: freaks out and he's like, I'm going to squash your
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: head if you're going.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: To do that. I think he kills when he's caught.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I think he is. This is the impression I got.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, Steve's out of here. He's got to escape.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: I think he's the boy that is looking in on
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: her and he's getting off on it. I think he's
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: like a lawyer. And when he's caught, that's when he kills.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: That overreaction of I'm caught, I've got to do something.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: So it's sort of the same sort of weird stuff
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: that goes into what would eventually be a slasher-esque kind
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: of movie. You've got the Peeping Tom kind of idea,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: which hadn't been invented yet. But you've got this voyeuristic character,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: and they only kill because they're sort of caught in
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: their weird little... Subversion.
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was essentially spawning with her when he
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: was swimming underneath her.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like mirror stalking something. And that's a viable
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: psychology because, you know, teenage kids. all you think about
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: all day is sex. And here are all these people
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: in there talking about science and how this could.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: This would add to our knowledge. And when you're like monstrous,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: like in.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Puberty, you're like, fuck humanity and knowledge and everything. And
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: all you can think about is like the chick who
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: looks like Marianne from Gilligan's Island.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: So the science scenes are kind of like school all
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: day long. You're like, okay, I don't want to hear
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: all this. Just get to the hot chick over there.
• 30:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I do like the.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: We're going to talk about sex.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: And you do feel kind of like a monster because,
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: you know, all this stuff is going on. Everybody's living
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: their normal lives and you're like, fuck all of this.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: And another thing with adolescence, you feel ugly.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you do. I'm a freak and all I want
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: to do is have sex.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: When I was a kid growing up watching horror movies,
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: I identified with the monster.
• 30:38
  Speaker 13: I did.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: And that's why I wasn't scared of the monster.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: I think you do with most of them.
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: All the classic... monster movies.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Again when he was trying to name like the antagonist
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: or protagonist or what I was just like in most
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: of these movies by the end don't you identify like
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: don't I mean aren't you on Frankenstein side and that
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: you know maybe not as much in like you know
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: the Dracula he's kind of more of a jerk but
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: like The more misunderstood monsters, you know, Frankenstein and the Wolfman,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: they're almost victims by the end.
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: Always.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: And you do feel like that becomes your hero, whether
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: they admit to it or not in the screenwriting.
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: Kind of a classic, you know, anti-hero character.
• 31:14
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: And by the end of Creature.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: The thing that ruins, like, the Dracula vampire, I mean,
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: that's sexual. I mean, clearly.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Definitely.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: It's sexual, but.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: He's just so suave and stuff, and you can't identify
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: with that because you're not suave and stuff.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: He's kind of not a monster, is the thing. He's
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: not a mess.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: He's the guy you hate.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: He's like the guy you want to kill.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: You want to drive a stake through that guy's heart.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Like in the movie, he's stealing your girlfriend.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: You don't trust that guy.
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: So.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: I know, as we mentioned earlier, you've dealt with Wonderfest
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: for years, Dave, so you've actually come in contact with
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of the people. I remember I've seen half
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: the people in the cast because they were at Wonderfest.
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we had them back in 2004 for the 50th anniversary.
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: We had Julie.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: I do remember seeing Julie.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: She was great. Yeah, she's still there.
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: And Ben Chapman, the late Ben Chapman, who played the
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: creature in most of the land scenes, in most of
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: the major acting scenes. And Riku Browning, who did all
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: the swimming. And it was kind of rare to get
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: Riku out for a show, but he started doing more
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: shows right around that time. And that's probably one of
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: the last times they were all together. Ben Chapman passed
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: away in 2008. And Ben was just a really fun,
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: fun character. I got to know him pretty well over
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: the years, going to different shows. I'm kind of the
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: opposite of a lot of the guys here in that
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: I watch Creature all the time. It's one of those
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: things where.
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: We sat around talking about titles. This is close to Thanksgiving,
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: and I thought about comfort food, and there's such a
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: thing as a comfort movie.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there it is.
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: For me, Creature's a comfort movie. It's a movie I
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: grew up with. It's a movie I still enjoy. It's
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: a movie I really don't get tired of watching. And
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: I have a six-year-old, and she's always gravitated towards that film.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: She loves it.
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: And I first saw it, I think, when I was
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: around 11. We were on family vacation coming back from
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: Florida and stopped off, and there was a late-night horror show,
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: and Creature was on. My dad was excited because he
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: liked that movie, too, so we had that to share.
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: And just being a monster nut, you know, the Creature
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: is probably still the best man-in-a-suit design I have ever seen. Yeah.
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: Even modern films.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: It still looks so good.
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: It's brilliant. It's a brilliant monster, and it's kind of
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: the last great universal monster from that studio.
• 33:34
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: There's this big jump from the 40s into the 50s,
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: and the creature's the last one in that whole little group.
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: And it's timeless. I don't think they can improve upon it.
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: They've tried. You know, in a couple films like Monster Squad,
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: they had a pretty cool new-looking creature, Steve Wang.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Different shape, yeah.
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: But that design is just magnificent. And somehow the actor
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: manages to kind of emote through all the rubber. You
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: can still... catch a little bit of nuance in that film.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely has issues with the eyes in this
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: first one, but the suit itself, like the body looks so,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: like I was watching it in those final scenes in
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: the cave, and I'm just like, it looks so good.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: It does. It's just so well put together.
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: The creature was designed by a woman, Millicent Patrick, whose
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: name you do not ever hear much until recently.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Because it was 1954, and God forbid you acknowledge a
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: woman did anything.
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: She was this gorgeous girl who worked in the art
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: department at Universal, and then she designed the creature. And
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: Bud Westmore, who was the head of the makeup department,
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: got all the credit, but usually he didn't do much
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: of the work. So between her and a guy named
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: Chris Mueller, they built the creature scene.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: It's funny, in the movie, don't they say the guy Ben,
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: his career has benefited from her work?
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: You're right. At some point.
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: That's a little bit of a reflection of what was
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: really going on in the studio. Because Universal kind of
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: did a little press junket with her because she was
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: so attractive.
• 35:00
  Speaker 19: Yeah.
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: And she was so talented. And, you know, they kind
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: of had her in magazines and had kind of a
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: Beauty and the Beast theme going on. Bud Westmore got pissed.
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: He was just like, no, no, no, no, I'm ahead
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: of the band. And he basically ruined her future career.
• 35:13
  Speaker 26: Oh.
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: So you kind of see that reflected in the script.
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: I don't know if it was ever intentional, but anybody
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: that knew Bud Westmore knew that's how he operated. He
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: would invite the press in and send all the workers
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: out to lunch, and then he would grab a sculpting
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: tool and stand next to the sculptor so he could
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: be photographed. Nice. So this head, there's a classic picture
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: of him with his casting, standing there with a sculpting tool,
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: and he never touched it. It's just one of his
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: workers designed it.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Do you want to discuss the sculpture now?
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah. Well, I brought a casting of a... This is...
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: Ben Chapman's head, called the land creature. This is a
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: rubber and polythene casting out of the original model. And
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: these float around. A lot of people have them. But
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: it's much bigger than the one that was designed for Raku.
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: He was a much smaller guy doing all the swimming.
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: So they had to do a complete different sculpt for
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: Raku to get it to fit. And then he also
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: was wearing little goggles in there. That's why they have
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: these eyes in here so they kind of match. But
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: it's a great sculpt. It's a great design. It was
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: made out of foam latex, which got really heavy when
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: it got soaked with water. And they basically had to
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: tear it off the actor every day and just put
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: a new one on him, which was a big mess.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: That seems pricey.
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was. It was very expensive. And they'd just
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: take it off in big chunks, except for a lot
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: of the land scenes that Ben would do. But for years,
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: Riku Browning was the only guy who got any press
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: because he did all the swimming in the movies. a
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: pretty talented guy, and Ben just wasn't very well known,
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: at least to me growing up. Later on, he's the
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: guy who said, well, my career's kind of limited. I'm
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: going to go ahead and capitalize on being the creature.
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: And back in the 80s and 90s, he started coming
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: out and doing shows, and Ben became kind of the
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: public face of this monster. He's a really fun guy.
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: I always enjoyed hanging out with Ben.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: So yeah, for you listening, Dave is holding a... bust
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: i suppose of of the creature himself.
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: It's the whole the head with the part of the chest.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: It's yeah a sculpture taken from the original mold you
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: say so i'm going to again uh being you know
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: the audio medium we are i'm going to uh take
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: some pictures and again we've been trying to get people
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: to come on board for the you know the higher
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: echelons of the secret circle here so i'm going to
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: post them for people that are that are kind of
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: helping us spread the word about the show i'm going
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: to Send it to those guys and give them some
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: of the visuals we've got here. But anybody else who
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: wants to, hey, join up and you can get your
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: cool photos of the creature we have here. So, yeah,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: it's very cool that you brought it with you. How
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: did you come about that one?
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: A friend of mine in the effects business. There used
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: to be kind of a little sort of gray market
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: of castings that would move around Hollywood. Because people thought
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: all this stuff was long gone, but a lot of
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: these molds are still sitting around in studios. This mold
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: was still sitting around Universal, so a lot of guys
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: back during the big boom of makeup effects in the 80s,
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: they would pull castings, and they'd call it a toughy
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: hat like this where it's latex with foam, and then
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: you could pull another mold off and then make some
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: more castings. I think this one's actually out of the
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: original mold.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: See, again, this is kind of what I like, and
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: like we were saying last week, this stuff could very
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: well be lost to the ages were it not some geek. went,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: that's cool, I want that.
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: The studios didn't care about this stuff for the most part.
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: That's why Bob Burns has always been a perennial guest
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: of Wonderfest. He's a collector. A great deal of this
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: stuff was just handed to him. He owns the original
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: King Kong armature. It was just considered a tool at
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: the time. It was a tool for anime. A couple
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: were built, and this one sat in the warehouse for
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: decades and finally ended up with Bob. He's been offered
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: about a million for it. Not taken it yet. Nice.
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: Peter Jackson is deeply, deeply lusting after it. But, yeah,
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: so it's great that these things have survived, the suits
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: have survived. It's been a staple of genre shows for
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: years now, to have this stuff kind of make the
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: rounds and go on display. When we had Ben and
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: Julie and Riku, we did a 3D screening over at
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: the Baxter. It was great to have it in 3D,
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: because it is a good 3D film. Even though now
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: it's shown in anaglyph 3D with... the blue and red lens.
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: That's not how it was originally projected. It was originally
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: projected with the dual picture system where you used a
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: polarized pair of glasses, and it was much better back then,
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: but that's so rare. They screened it in L.A. and
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: a couple of other places, but it still looks good
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: in anaglyph.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Well, speaking of which, I don't have anything as cool
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: as the latex bust here, but I did dig out
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: my original 3D glasses that I got from the Quickie March,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: wherever the hell they were selling these at the time.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: And you'll remember our local little independent station here, they
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: decided to start playing them and promoted it pretty heavily
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: for a while there and was selling these 3D glasses
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: and Yeah, they're so ancient. I mean, they're all wrinkled
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: up and falling apart.
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they ran Creature, and I think they ran Revenge
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: of Creature, also in 3D, and they ran Guerrilla at Large.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember watching that one.
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: And maybe it came from outer space, which is another
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: really good universe in 3D.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: But yeah, these are beat to hell, because that's how
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: long I've had them. And still, again, geek that I am,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: hung on to them over the years, because that's, again,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: it was such a cool memory. And watching it even...
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: on TV with the wrong kind of glasses. I mean,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: it still worked and it was still so much fun
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: having that again, that experience of, of sitting there watching
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: this creature reaching out to the TV and, uh, all
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: their cheesy effects that they do for 3D still kind
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: of work. They're cheesy for a reason, because they're fun.
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: They're not so gratuitous in this film. There's just some
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: effective stuff.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: I was thinking that it's pretty reserved for something that
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: was meant to be in 3D.
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: They have a spear gun, and naturally it's going to shoot,
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: and that's great. It's shooting at the creature, it reaches
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: out several times. The underwater stuff looks great.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the water shots.
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: Very deep vision stuff.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: They spent a lot of time on those scenes. They did.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Film time for an hour and 20 minute film.
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: It was fairly novel at that time to have underwater
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: photography like that. It was really good. It looks good.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: There wouldn't have been in South America... in the middle
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: of an Amazon river. There wouldn't have been a lagoon
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: that deep. But, you know, it worked for the movie.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: What the hell are you saying? I'm not buying it.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Movies are always right.
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: The lagoon was, I think, at Clearwater Springs, Florida.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: And then on the Universal backlot, it's still there. There's
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: sort of a little river there. And then they shot,
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: I think, a lot, maybe in the Everglades area, for
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: the projection plates in the background. At one point, I
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: think Tom Weaver points it out here, If you look
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: closely at one of those pan shots on the boat,
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: you'll see a telephone pole. It's just kind of like
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: in the middle of the Amazon. It goes by pretty unnoticed.
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: Exactly as I found it. It's amazing. It's incredible. Could
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: it possibly belong to a Pleistocene man? The chances are
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: much greater that that hand belonged to an amphibian, Mark.
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: One that spent a great deal of time in the water. Well,
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: then how do you account for the structure of the fingers?
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Obviously for land use.
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: What do you think, Dr.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Mattos?
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: We can be sure of one thing. Whatever it was,
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: it was very powerful.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: You say you have hopes of finding the rest of
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: the fossil?
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: As soon as I get a suitable expedition together. Well,
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: why don't we make up the expedition?
• 42:46
  Speaker 20: We're here now, and after all, it does come under
• 42:48
  Speaker 20: the heading of our work, doesn't.
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: It, David? It certainly does.
• 42:51
  Speaker 20: More and more, we're learning the meaning and the value
• 42:53
  Speaker 20: of marine research.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Well, I thought from the underwater stuff, I think what
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: was so amazing is how attention to detail he was
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: that he didn't want air bubbles coming up from him
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: because he's got gills.
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: So he had him actually hold his breath through.
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: All of that. He was an experienced deep diver. He
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: actually worked down there at Clearwater to train people for
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: deep swimming. So he would hold his breath most of
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: the time, or they'd have a scuba diver on the
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: side with a hose. Whenever he felt he was running out,
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: he'd go over and just get a gas bearer.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: But you really don't see.
• 43:25
  Speaker 6: No tanks in the suit or anything like that. It's
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: him doing free swimming all the time. And there's a
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: lot of, you know, it gets very physical when those
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: guys are fighting underwater. I mean, that's some real tumbling
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: going on in anybody without air. That's pretty amazing.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: You know, I actually had that thought watching it this time, love.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: How did they, you know, because it looks fairly fluid.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: I know they cut back and forth a few times
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: in there, but it looks almost like the same fight scene.
• 43:49
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: And I was like, how is he getting air and
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: still being underwater that long?
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: He's a very fit guy. I think based on that,
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: he got a lot of jobs. He ended up actually
• 43:59
  Speaker 6: directing almost all the underwater stuff for Thunderball. Nice. So
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: he made a career. He worked on, I think, some
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: TV shows in the 50s and things like that. Did
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: pretty well.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: But it is a difference that I don't know if
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: they just didn't care as much as time went on
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: because by the sequels, I mean, they just put a
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: tank in it. You can see air coming out of
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: the creature.
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: Like all sequels.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a little lesser.
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: Growing up, that's why I didn't see Creature until I
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: was 11, and that's kind of odd because I grew
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: up with Fright Night and all these other horror shows.
• 44:32
  Speaker 6: But the Channel 3 movies, the 4 o'clock movie, would
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: always run Revenge of Creature for some reason. It would
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: always be the sequel. and the suit looks different. It's
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: a fun movie, but it's not nearly as good a picture.
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: It just seemed to be the one they chose to run,
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: I guess because it was shorter. It was important to
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: get a 90-minute time slot at 4 o'clock in the
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: afternoon back then. The less they could cut, the better.
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: That's why that got run.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Well, I was going to go into the director, and
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: it was funny because as I read through it, I
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: was like, the name clicked, and I assumed it was
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: probably from other movies, and granted, he's done some really
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: important movies and genre movies back in the day. But
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: then I got the other one on his list and went, oh,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: no wonder. Directed 26 episodes of Gilligan's Island. I saw
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: that name as often as Sherwood Schwartz. So now it
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: makes sense how much she.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Looked like Mary Ann. Right. And there was a lagoon, too.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: There was a lagoon. He really did have kind of
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: that attachment to that kind of stuff.
• 45:33
  Speaker 6: Arnold was a great sort of workman-like director, but he
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: was solid.
• 45:38
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 45:38
  Speaker 6: It turned out a good movie. I think the weirdest
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: movie he did was High School Confidential.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: I saw that on the list.
• 45:44
  Speaker 6: It's a great, weird movie.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: That's another one that's, yeah.
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: That's about as far out as he got.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Incredible Shrinky Man and Tarantula.
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: Tarantula.
• 45:54
  Speaker 16: Classics.
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: A lot of the 50s classics are all Jack Arnold.
• 45:56
  Speaker 23: Yeah.
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: It's just a guy that you look at church and
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: you get it done.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Incredible shrinking.
• 46:01
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: This, you know, this one to me watching it this time,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: and I'd have to go back and watch more universal.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think I've probably seen, I don't know
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: about most. I don't have a list in my head
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: of what level of all of them or anything, but
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: to me, this almost epitomizes what one would be, you know, um,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: You know, you've got the whole society science talk. You've
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: got the misunderstood creature. You've got different people exploiting or
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: using that creature in different ways. The visuals were fantastic.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: And to me, also, the... Well, and I was joking
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: about it earlier. The music of it is almost like
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: the brass notes. Every time you see it or hear it,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: anything happens. That's so ingrained in, you know, when people,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: you know, Scooby-Doo or just whatever.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: In pop culture in general now.
• 47:18
  Speaker 13: In pop culture, yeah.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: And I know there were movies before it and movies
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: after that had it, but it contains every element of those.
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Of those films and.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: And then you add in the layer of, you had
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: to shoot so much of this underwater, and you had,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: you know... And I think it might be the one
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: that maybe I always passed off as, like, the Aquaman
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: of the monsters.
• 47:42
  Speaker 10: Like, oh, yeah, and then there's that one.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: But when you watch it, you're like, wow, this is,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: you know... It's got substance to it. It's got... Technically,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: it's pretty well polished. I think I was, you know,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: had that thought of, yeah, I've seen it, and yeah,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: you know... I probably had more in the back of
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: my mind of, like you said, of the revenge, um,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: or is it return or revenge?
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: You know, it's just a monster on the loose kind
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: of thing.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: And so it was definitely not, this definitely is, is,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: is on a higher level, I think, than, than I
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: had remembered. I'd misremembered, I suppose. And it, it, It
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: really is, it has almost every element of, and done well,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: of the universal monster movies.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: And maybe it's because it came at the end of
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: their run, because they'd had 20 years of doing this,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: and they sort of, on the one hand they knew
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: the formula to put in, but at the same time
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: they also had worked up to that technical expertise that
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: maybe they didn't have in the 30s that, it sort
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: of gives you, plus they're kind of working in, you
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: hit that 50s science element that became way more important
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: in all the sci-fi movies. So it could be like
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: all of that sort of convening in one specific area
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: there when these movies started coming out.
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think a lot of horror fans, classic horror fans,
• 49:00
  Speaker 6: don't really pay enough attention to the movie because it
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: is really finely polished. I mean, Dracula's a classic, Frankenstein's
• 49:07
  Speaker 6: a classic, The Mummy, which is basically Dracula all over again,
• 49:11
  Speaker 6: The Wolfman, and then after that, Universal got into kind
• 49:15
  Speaker 6: of a B-movie cycle, which I still enjoy those movies,
• 49:17
  Speaker 6: like the Monster Rally pictures where they throw all of
• 49:19
  Speaker 6: them together. But they're definitely B-level.
• 49:22
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: But just, you know, the meshing of the techniques and
• 49:27
  Speaker 6: budgets and the soundtrack for the.
• 49:30
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 49:30
  Speaker 6: The action on the screen is represented by the music
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: as well. That didn't go on a lot in the 30s.
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: You watched Dracula, and you got Swan Lake playing occasionally
• 49:39
  Speaker 6: in the background.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Or so many old movies, it's just dead silence.
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: In Frankenstein, there is no music. King Kong was the
• 49:46
  Speaker 6: one that kind of revolutionized everything. It revolutionized a lot
• 49:49
  Speaker 6: of things, but King Kong, with Steiner's score, is the
• 49:52
  Speaker 6: one that almost every movement, there's a musical movement that
• 49:55
  Speaker 6: goes with it. That was really unheard of for the
• 49:58
  Speaker 6: most part. Creature theme kind of brings that all back.
• 50:01
  Speaker 6: And you've got those stingers where they come in with
• 50:03
  Speaker 6: that music, and it's just great stuff.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: It's very dramatic.
• 50:06
  Speaker 6: It was used in a lot of other Universal pictures.
• 50:08
  Speaker 6: You hear that music pop up in other films, but
• 50:11
  Speaker 6: that's what it was done for.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: So it's funny now, watching it, how much it almost
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: seems like a cliché move, but to think in 54, yeah,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: nobody had really kind of.
• 50:20
  Speaker 6: It's one of those kind of progenitor movies where everything
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: that came after borrowed a little from it.
• 50:25
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the thing that strikes me, even just when we
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: talk about the musical, the swimming or whatever, and they'll
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: do the oboe runs that you can hear. I don't
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: know if it's oboe, it's a reed, like a clarinet
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: or an oboe or something like that, and you can
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: hear that fluid runs. And it's in a lot of movies.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was the originator of it,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: but it's used a lot in Creature.
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think most of the score was composed... especially
• 50:55
  Speaker 6: for Creature, but then Universal kept using it. Mancini did
• 50:59
  Speaker 6: some of that. Hans Salter, and there was a third musician,
• 51:03
  Speaker 6: but I know Mancini did some of the quieter pieces,
• 51:05
  Speaker 6: and it's really effective stuff. And they had the synthesizer
• 51:08
  Speaker 6: creep in, or the theremin creep in occasionally.
• 51:13
  Speaker 19: Yeah, nice.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, you definitely get a little more, I mean,
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: it's got a little more to offer, just artistically. I mean,
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: looking at that mirror swimming scene, I mean, that shots
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: kind of amazing. And the fact that they got it
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: and thought ahead of time that that's, you know, that
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: they really did think out, that's exactly what I want
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: and think how much trouble it was to get that shot.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: But the fact that they wanted it, same thing with the, uh,
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: the shot from inside the fish tank was like amazing.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Like that's, that's so much extra work than just starting
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: the scene right there next to her. But it's so,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just so much more artistic and then
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: you would give credit to, you know, a B-horror movie,
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: you know, I think it was way more impressive visually
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: than you would expect going into a movie like this.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: There's one moment, oh, who was the boyfriend?
• 52:03
  Speaker 6: David? Richard Carlson.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Richard Carlson, yeah.
• 52:07
  Speaker 6: The good scientist.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Right, the good scientist.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: David.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: David, yeah. He, when he's about to.
• 52:13
  Speaker 16: David Reed?
• 52:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: He's about to go dive back down, and I don't remember,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: he gives her a hug or something, but then That's
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: right before he gives her the hug. And you know
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: he wants to say something to her. You know he
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: is saying something to her like, this might be the
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: last time I see you or I love you or something.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: But it was a badass Han Solo move where he
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: just looks at her and.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: Then turns away.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: He doesn't say anything, you know, but it's a nice
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: little pause and you're like, He didn't need to say
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: anything else. I was like, that was pretty tough. Most
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: men or most guys would say something or be awkward
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: or whatever, but it was pretty smooth that he just
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: paused and then moved on.
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: Carl Stoll was a good actor. He's also in a
• 52:58
  Speaker 6: lot of other 50s films. He's always really solid. He
• 53:02
  Speaker 6: was a very smart guy. He was good at getting
• 53:06
  Speaker 6: those little things across that weren't in the dialogue. I
• 53:08
  Speaker 6: just watched him in an episode of Voyage to the
• 53:11
  Speaker 6: Bottom of the Sea last night.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: He was a bad guy, and he was a good
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: bad guy, too.
• 53:15
  Speaker 6: He had a lot of range, but I liked him
• 53:17
  Speaker 6: a lot. Actually, when I met Ben, it was kind
• 53:20
  Speaker 6: of a weird moment because you grow up with these characters,
• 53:24
  Speaker 6: and all the other classic Universal monsters slash actors were gone. Yeah, yeah.
• 53:31
  Speaker 6: And Ben was still around, so it was kind of
• 53:32
  Speaker 6: a neat moment to meet this kind of guy who
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: played an icon, even though he kind of was like, oh,
• 53:38
  Speaker 6: it's my job. It was just kind of special. And finally,
• 53:42
  Speaker 6: he was really kind of a really down-to-earth kind of guy.
• 53:45
  Speaker 6: It would have been nice to have met Karloff or
• 53:48
  Speaker 6: people like that, but long gone.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: It is, yeah. It was interesting to see those people
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: at the show. I was kind of glad I did because, yeah,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: that's the last of that era.
• 53:57
  Speaker 16: That's it.
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: That's where it cuts off. But I know Boris's daughter, Sarah,
• 54:01
  Speaker 6: and people like that, and Bella's son, but That's not
• 54:05
  Speaker 6: the thing.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: That's not the thing. I've never quite understood the fascination
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: people have with that. I mean, it's cool.
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: It's a physical connection, literally.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: It'd be nice to have them, like, come and speak, maybe,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: but when people, like, want their autograph, and I'm just like,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: she just was a kid.
• 54:18
  Speaker 6: Generally, the fans know more than they do. Yeah. It
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: was just their dad's job.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, talking to your dad. They'll smile and nod and.
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: Go, well, really, because they don't know as much as
• 54:26
  Speaker 6: you do a lot of the time.
• 54:27
  Speaker 11: Nice.
• 54:28
  Speaker 6: But they're kind of a connection, and they're mostly really
• 54:30
  Speaker 6: nice folks.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: It's good to see them, but.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: But it's cool to have the real, you know, the
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: last of that era that showed up. Yeah, that was cool.
• 54:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I met Ben at a previous show, and Ben's
• 54:42
  Speaker 6: like this great, just laid-back, kind of doper surfer guy,
• 54:46
  Speaker 6: you know, lived in Hawaii most of his life. Other
• 54:49
  Speaker 6: guys knew him really well, and he was coming up
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: to visit us in our room, and there was a
• 54:53
  Speaker 6: running bet going about what would be his first word.
• 54:56
  Speaker 6: Was it going to be fuck, shit, or piss?
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: Shit.
• 54:58
  Speaker 6: And I don't know if it was the setup or not,
• 55:00
  Speaker 6: but we heard him coming down the hall, and everybody
• 55:02
  Speaker 6: got really quiet, and the door opened, and he just said,
• 55:05
  Speaker 6: he said, oh, fuck, shit, man, I got to piss.
• 55:07
  Speaker 6: That was the first sentence that came out of his mouth.
• 55:10
  Speaker 6: We all just broke up. He was just this really
• 55:12
  Speaker 6: down-to-earth guy. Hilarious man.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: That's always cool. I mean, that's sort of what I've
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: taken from interacting with these people is how much you
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: kind of do get a sense of who they are
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: in the real world. cause it is just a job.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: And I kind of like talking to the real person
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: as much as they have to create this persona. It's
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: kind of cool when you actually get to meet them
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: and you get a little more of that. You get
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: a little more of who they really are.
• 55:38
  Speaker 6: Especially good at that.
• 55:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 55:39
  Speaker 6: Just connect with people on a very basic level. Real
• 55:42
  Speaker 6: nice guy and a strong guy too. I mean, big
• 55:44
  Speaker 6: man had to pull off a lot of physical action
• 55:48
  Speaker 6: in that picture, which was kind of difficult.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: And Julie seems really down to earth.
• 55:53
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 55:53
  Speaker 13: What?
• 55:53
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 55:53
  Speaker 6: Really sweet lady. Yeah. Um, Always pleased to have someone
• 55:58
  Speaker 6: bring up something besides creature.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Which most people that are known for.
• 56:02
  Speaker 6: The End of the River or something, it's another film
• 56:03
  Speaker 6: she was in. She was always delighted to hear people
• 56:05
  Speaker 6: talk about the dramatics of her career. But yeah, really,
• 56:09
  Speaker 6: really sweet, really nicely.
• 56:10
  Speaker 16: Seems very cool.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: Well, I've always had an attachment to this movie, and
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: I said I'd seen it as a kid. It also
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: falls into another very specific category that we probably all
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: had as kids. It was one of the handful of
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: costumes that I was for Halloween. I had the Ben
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: Cooper mask, and not even to go with the cheap
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: vinyl suit. My mom actually made an entire green suit,
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: had a hooded piece to cover up your head, just
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: kind of cut off with the mask, had gloves that
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: went with it. She actually went all out. I'll give
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: her credit. She did that, and she did an awesome
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: Dracula cadence. Over the years. So, yeah. I've just, I
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: don't know. There's always been this weird connect with him
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: because of that. Because, you know, you only get, like,
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: you know, 12 costumes as a kid that you either
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: remember or that it becomes sad that you're still dressing up.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: So you've got a very short window of, like, cool
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: costumes that you get. And it's funny that, you know,
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: I look back and most of them were, you know, like,
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: universal monster creatures.
• 57:11
  Speaker 6: I was. Yeah, I had the wolf man.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was a wolf man.
• 57:13
  Speaker 6: With the fuzzy flocked hair. I've still got that mask on.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: I was a wolf man.
• 57:17
  Speaker 6: I was Barnabas Collins.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: I was Dracula. So, yeah.
• 57:21
  Speaker 6: Creature, I never got that ambitious. I used to look
• 57:23
  Speaker 6: at the back of famous monsters and lust at the
• 57:27
  Speaker 6: latex non-post mask. Oh, yeah. Forty bucks. She might as
• 57:31
  Speaker 6: well have been, you know, a thousand dollars. For kids.
• 57:34
  Speaker 6: Always wanted that.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: You know, my mother made.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: She's pretty good at sewing, and she made a Batman
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: cape with, you know, bat emblems on the corners.
• 57:45
  Speaker 6: Nice.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: And an actual mask, you know, with the pointy ears
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: and Adam West-looking Batman.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: Which would be fitting at the time. Right.
• 57:55
  Speaker 6: And I.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Adored that costume. I mean, and to me, still, there
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: is no better superhero than Batman.
• 58:03
  Speaker 19: Yeah.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: You know, it's funny how your mother, something like that,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: And it's almost like they.
• 58:09
  Speaker 10: Key into where you are.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: Anyway, yeah.
• 58:15
  Speaker 6: I had a Batman costume in, I think, 67 or 68.
• 58:19
  Speaker 6: I was like four. That my mom made. And then
• 58:22
  Speaker 6: I had that utility belt that Ideal made, which is
• 58:25
  Speaker 6: now worth like $ 16, 000.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: That you wore every day.
• 58:29
  Speaker 6: Of the week.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: I wore it to school.
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: I wish I still had that. It's just awesome stuff.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: It is funny how much you, as a kid, attach
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: yourself to that handful of characters that you got to.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: It was such a big deal to what you were
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: going to be for Halloween that it's funny that it
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: still sort of is attached to you, geeks that we are.
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: I remember the smell of each latex mask. I could
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: only get those when we went out of town because
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: Bowling Green didn't have novelty. There was probably a few
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: times we were in Louisville that I wound up getting
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: you know, I had a thin latex Frankenstein that I
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: had to be careful with or it would tear.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: But it was a pretty good mask.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: And I had a wolfman that was like a heavy,
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: it was almost like a helmet.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: But, yeah, I didn't have the creature.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: I saw it sometimes.
• 59:25
  Speaker 6: I remember that.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: And it was back.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: When women used to wear wigs, and my mother not
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: so much because all of them had holes I had
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: cut into them trying to make a good werewolf mask.
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: And I always thought, you know, I could sort of
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: like live in this... between two worlds where she wouldn't notice, maybe.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: I could cut out the eyes.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: If I put it right at the top, she'll never see.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: If I put it at the top, I could get
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: the eyes in there, and maybe I could sort of
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: style it back later.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, my grandma's wigs kind of suffered that same fate
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 6: at times. She always wore wigs. When I had that
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 6: flock mask, we cut the rest of that and had
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 6: a full head of hair on the back to make
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 6: it a little better, but I used to cut hers up.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 6: That's the difference between, you know, these kind of monsters
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 6: we grew up with is that we all connected with them. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 6: We kind of wanted to be them. That's the whole
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 6: identification aspect. For me, that's gone with modern horror. I
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 6: don't see too many people... I've lost interest.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: In horror after a while when I grew up.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 6: It all became human beings, you know, running around with
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 6: knives and chainsaws.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: And we have to backstory the hell out of them
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: in the newer movies, so now we understand why they're
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: so troubled.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 6: That's why I hated the remake of Halloween. I don't
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: want to sympathize with Michael Myers. Well, it's more important
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 6: when he's just evil. All I had to realize, I
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 6: had to understand about his terrible childhood.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: That's the opposite of his history.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: That's what was so awesome about him. It really was
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: that boogeyman aspect. You didn't know where he came from.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: You didn't know why he was killing people. He just was.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: He was evil.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 6: Unstoppable.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: It went from the blonde guy in Fargo who's just evil.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: And he's slow moving, but he always catches up with people.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: Then the monsters became the funny looking guy.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: And you can just see he's just got issues.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: He's got problems.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: He gets in arguments with parking lot attendants.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: It becomes so small.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: You just have to stab people.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: I'm so angry. You should see the other guy. The
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: kid that's scared in bed of the boogeyman coming to
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: get them. doesn't give a damn about the boogeyman's background, why.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: They're doing it.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: They don't care. They just know they're going to come
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: and get them.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: And that's why it works so much better.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: The creature, that's the way the creature works. I mean,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: you can't really understand what he wants. You start to,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: but then it seems like he doesn't know what he wants.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 19: I think he's a teenage creature. At the same time,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 19: he doesn't know what he wants. You start to identify
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 19: with him too, though. So I think it's like both.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 19: It's like you don't understand his motives, but at the
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 19: same time, you felt like that.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: I do like the teenager-like analogy we've got, that it
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: really does sort of seem a little more fitting than
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: when you stop and think about it. The awkwardness, the lustfulness.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 6: As far as you can tell in the film, he's
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 6: the only one of his kind. And suddenly these other
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 6: creatures are introduced into his world, and there's nothing but
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 6: lust and horror going on. And he suffers for it, constantly.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 6: And that's another really cool thing about the script, is
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 6: David Reed understands that at the end. Other monster movies, well,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 6: they just blow him up or they just kill him.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 6: He just holds the guy back.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: That's enough.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Just let him go. We've done enough to him.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 6: He knows the damage they've done.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: Which is, again, kind of different. You don't see that.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 6: You don't see that.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: Because normally it's the monster attacking. Much like we said
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: on the sequel, it's a monster attacks the town or
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: a monster. We invade his space. We attack him in
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: his habitat and then wonder why he's, you know, getting
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: upset coming after our women, you know.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: It's because they're hot.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 6: Well, they are.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: Julie's definitely hot. It was our fault for taking a woman. Yeah, well,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: I do worry about taking a woman.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: Although, if they are none of his kind, he may
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: have just found one of the men to be attractive.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: Either way, you need somebody to hook up with.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 19: Damn.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 6: Look. Look over here.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: This lungfish.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 6: The bridge between fish and the land animal.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 20: How many thousands of ways nature tried to get life
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 20: out of the sea and onto the land. This one failed.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 20: He hasn't changed in millions of years. But here, here
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 20: we have a clue to an answer. Someday, spaceships will
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 20: be traveling from Earth to other planets. How are human
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 20: beings going to survive on those planets? The atmosphere will
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 20: be different. The pressures will be different. By studying these
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 20: and other species, We add to our knowledge of how
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 20: life evolved, how it adapted itself to this world. With
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 20: that knowledge, perhaps we can teach men to adapt themselves
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 20: to some new world of the future.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: So Dave has brought a few other items. Would you
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: like to mention what we've got here?
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a Marx plastic creature figure, which is probably
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 6: the oldest possession I have. Wow. This was created in 1963,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 6: just like me. And it's a really cool little representation
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 6: of the creature. Mark's Plastics used to do these little figures.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 6: They had soldiers, and they had astronauts, and they had
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 6: Disney characters. They did a series of monsters. And this,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 6: I think, is the best. It looks a lot like it.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: It's massively detailed.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 6: And it's far more detailed than that Aurora model kit
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 6: that they did around the same time. I had these memories.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 6: I mean, I had this toy when I was probably
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 6: two or three, and I was scared of it. It
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 6: was down at my grandparents'. I don't know. They bought
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 6: it at a Ben Franklin store or something. And I
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 6: remember having this memory of a toy that I was
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 6: kind of spooked by as a kid. And I remember
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 6: the color. It's this sort of odd, sort of turquoise blue.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 6: And I retained these memories. It went away. And I
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 6: retained these memories for years and years. And when I
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 6: was a teenager, I was down visiting my grandparents and
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 6: just decided I'm going to go up in the garage
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 6: attic and look around because I said some of my
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 6: old toys were up there. And I found them. And
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 6: I was like, wow, this is evidence of my past.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 6: And it was the same color.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: And did it click at that point?
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 16: Oh, yeah.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 6: I mean, I remembered him vaguely, but at the time,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 6: this was before the Internet or anything, you didn't know
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 6: about the history of toys or these other things that
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 6: I'm into now. He said, well, I think they used
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 6: to make these monster toys, but I don't really know
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 6: if it was a dream or if it was real.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 6: That's kind of why he means a lot to me.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 6: It's like this literally is one of the oldest things
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 6: I have in my life. It is awesome. It is
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 6: the creature. Like I said, it's a monster I've always
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 6: been obsessed with. It's a cool piece. They've done lots
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 6: of figures, lots of models, toys over the years. It's
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 6: kind of a perennial favorite, but I think they're doing
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 6: a really cool new styrene kit that's going to be
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 6: out at Wonderfest this year. It's the creature holding jewelry.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 6: It's cool because it's an old-fashioned model kit where you
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 6: glue it together in styrene plastic.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute. You've got to do stuff?
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 6: This is a new one. That's one of the things.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: Remember that the pieces would come in those elaborate.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: Sprue things and you'd take them off.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 6: The Universal, there's a whole series of monsters. They've been
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 6: re-released over the years, but they're starting to do new ones.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 6: And for years, Wonderfest, that's kind of what we're founded
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 6: on is the resin kit business, but it was all
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 6: these expensive resin kits. Very pricey, basically art pieces. But
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 6: suddenly there's been this surge. I don't know if it's
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 6: nostalgia or if it's production. They're able to do it now.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 6: and bringing back styrene kits. So there's a new creature
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 6: kit coming out. There's a gorgeous Frankenstein and Bride of
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 6: Frankenstein kit coming out. There's a great Lugosi Dracula kit
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 6: already out. So there's this resurgence of fairly affordable plastic
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 6: monster models, which we haven't had in years. But this
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 6: guy's been recast over the years. They just call him
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 6: Dark Merge and others, but that's one of the original
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 6: Mark's pieces.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: I love how he's in chains.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's from like Revenge.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 22: Yeah.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 6: Because that's when he's in the bottom of the tank
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 6: in Revenge. And I think the face looks a little
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 6: more like the Revenge face, but it's a really nice sculpt.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 6: It's very cool.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: Did you have other ones you wanted to bring out?
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 6: Let's see. Back in the early 90s when the whole
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 6: Halloween market began to take off again.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: They had these.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 6: Motionettes figures. I wish I had some batteries because he
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 6: makes a really ridiculous noise. Whoa, take a turn.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: Nice. It's kind of fun.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 6: His head turns and his arms go up and down.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 6: They're called an emotionette figure. I guess these are worth
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 6: a little bit of money now. Walmart actually produced those.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 6: Strictly for Walmart. You'd see those everywhere in windows again.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 6: Halloween was kind of lost for a couple of decades,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 6: I think. There wasn't a whole lot of Halloween celebrating
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 6: In the early 90s, it all seemed to blossom again.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 6: You've got Halloween superstores.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: Kicked it back in.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 6: I think it just took nostalgia.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: I think that's what it was. It was that Generation
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: X kind of thing kicked in and it became cool again.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: I think that's when everybody sort of latched on to it.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: One guy, one Halloween with the whole razor blade thing.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: That all went back to just one dude.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 6: That's an urban legend. I've looked into it. It's like
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 6: they're really never happy.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but there was somebody who started like a.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 6: Rumor, and it freaked everybody out. This was like in
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 6: the 70s, and it's like suddenly, I don't even know
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 6: if we're going to have trick-or-treating this year. It was
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 6: all because of that whole Razor and the Apple story,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 6: which to my knowledge never really happened.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: It was that damn candy man.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: You know, I think, I've talked about this, I don't
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: know if it was on here or with you, Brian, before,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: but I swear those rumors were, because when I was little,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: it was just transitioning out of that. You'd go and
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: somebody would have cookies or candied apples or homemade good
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: stuff or caramel corn or whatever. And then all those
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: rumors came out, and then, nope, you have to have
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: store-bought packaged candy. I swear that was done by the
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: candy manufacturers.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: Because the only people you can trust are corporations.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: Making sugar-filled candy.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: So you're gone from eating something that was homemade, took
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: some time. Well, you can't trust those people. You can't
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: trust the people that make stuff for you.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: You can't trust your neighbors that make homemade cookies.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 19: Right.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: Well, if you can't trust them, then don't send your
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: kids out. Yeah. If that's what it comes down to.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: It's interesting. I really think it has to have been
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: a conspiracy.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: Because I, you know, I... It's fun with conspiracy theories,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: but I wouldn't put it past it. I mean, I'm
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: sure we as a country and as the corporations within
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: this country have done way more evil things than that
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: as time's gone on.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, the whole food pyramid thing that I
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: was taught in school, it was just advertising.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: It was incoherent.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: I remember in health class trying to get this down
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: and coming to the realization that It is impossible to
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: put together a single meal that does everything you're supposed
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: to do without mostly overeating. And it was because it
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: was an incoherent conglomeration of... advertising, thinly disguised advertising from
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: the Beef Association and the dairy, and it just made
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: no real sense. But you were supposed to just go, oh,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: and then move on and not really. But, yeah, and
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: then when I was reading, like, books to my kids,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: I was reading, like, the Ramona books, the Beverly Cleary
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: books from the 50s, and Henry Huggins couldn't have white
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: bread at school. It's like, nutrition information was not something.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: We didn't know.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 10: They knew it.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: And they forgot it over time because there are people interested.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: But I still to this day do not understand when
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: they talk about the school lunches and just like a
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: few weeks ago they decided that pizza was a vegetable.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard about that.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: That's my kind of vegetable.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: I still don't understand why it's more profitable now.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 10: To have unhealthy food.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: Can't they figure out a way to make a profit
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: off of good food?
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: The unhealthy food is the stuff that they can manipulate.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: I guess.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: And they subsidize that because those monies give money to
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: the government. It's all money.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 22: Yeah.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: Well, I understand that it's money.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: I just don't understand why it's necessarily more profitable.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 6: But... Well, the kids will also eat it. Yeah, that's
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 6: the thing.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: They'll eat the junk, and then it'll.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 6: Be gone, and they'll have to buy more.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: Because the good food is made by hippies, and hippies
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: don't understand the capitalism involved to make that kind of
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: food accessible and make kids want it. It's an evil,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: greed-fueled thing that hippies don't understand.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: And I'm sure all of this is contained in the
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: movie The Creature.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 6: Yes, of course.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: Let's look at it.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 18: Sure.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 6: Corporate exploitation.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: It is kind of contained in there, because the guy says, well,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: that's a nice speech about knowledge and humanity, but.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: But really, we just like hot girls.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: Having an institute is very expensive, and we have to.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: That is what he says. It's a little too close
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: to home sometimes.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 6: It's like, how can we exploit this? So.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess my final question was going
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: to be, as you've said, the creature is still one
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: of the most beloved characters. What do you think it
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: is that's sort of given him the staying power over
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: the years? Some of the others, like Frankenstein has still
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: got that power, but a lot of the other lesser creatures,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: you're lucky if normal people could ID them. So what
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: do you think it is about the creature that's been
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: so appealing?
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 6: I think it's that he's not human. in a way,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 6: and yet he's more human.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 6: Because all the other classic universal monsters are humans, or
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 6: once were humans.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: Or reconstituted humans.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 6: Dracula was vampirized, and the Wolfman is a man who transforms,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 6: and he's in a way kind of the closest figure.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 6: The mummy is a reanimated human. Frankenstein is made from
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 6: dead humans.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: Recycled humans.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 6: So the creature was the one that came along that
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 6: Evolved on his own. It's almost like the old thing
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 6: in the swamp thing, comic books. He's less than human
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 6: but more than man. Because you can empathize. People naturally
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 6: empathize with animals almost more than people. You can't stand
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 6: to watch an animal being murdered or tortured, but you
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 6: can watch a guy getting executed if he deserves it.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: That's my thinking.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 6: So for me it's always been that. He's different, but
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 6: he's It's the same.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: It is interesting that they sort of play with that
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: almost missing link element. Instead of us trying to figure
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: out what became monkey into human, now it's like we
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: go all the way back to crawling out of the
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: sea and how that leads to humanity. It's sort of
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: this middle ground where he is.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 6: It's almost like this divergent evolution. Everything was moving towards
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 6: the human form, but he went off in this direction.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, and the other ones are all supernatural.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: You know, you've created a human out of, you know,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: a human has become more than human, whatever.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: Whereas this is completely natural that there are things that
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: we don't understand about our own world that are perfectly normal.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: They don't take some kind of bite from some mythical creature.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: They don't take some kind of, manipulation of science to
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: create a human being it is there it was there
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: it's down below and we're scared of it yeah and
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: we don't know what it is and it's not us
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: and they.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: Do bother to point all that out with the whole
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: lungfish speech and they're just like this is this could
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: happen i mean we we went how long and didn't
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: know this thing existed so maybe there's other stuff which
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: is still true i mean we're still stumbling upon weird
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: versions of It's usually not giant creatures, but even if
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: it's just plant life or weird little microscopic life, it's
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: like we're still kind of figuring stuff out on this planet.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: Except there's still stuff left in the world to be found.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 6: That's a mystery.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: There's the woman who works with apes now. She's convinced
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: that Bigfoot is real.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 6: Oh, James Goodall.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 19: Yeah.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: She's just convinced.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: She's heard too many versions of it, too many descriptions.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: There's No reason not for it to have existed.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: Well, when people first found apes, you know, people who
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: hadn't seen them yet, oh, come on.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 6: Oh, the gorilla was a mythical creature for years.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 6: I mean, I could go on about Bigfoot, that's a
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 6: whole other show.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: We'll do a different show on that.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 6: But I was going to point that out. It is
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 6: sort of the first cryptid movie where it's this unknown creature.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 6: It's there, and it exists in nature. It inspired, I think,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 6: Nigel Neal, who's a great writer, did a lot of
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 6: the Hammer films. He did the, I think in 57,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 6: he did Abominable Snowman of the Himalayas, and so brilliant
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 6: movie with kind of a silly title. And it's the
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 6: closest movie to this.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's a natural creature.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's about people invading its territory, although they find
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 6: out that in many ways it is superior. And it's
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 6: just kind of biding its time. We're going to wipe
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 6: ourselves out, and then it'll come down. And I think
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 6: Carpenter actually hired Nigel Neal to write the screenplay for
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 6: his version, which is an interesting script. So there's that
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 6: idea that it's kind of based on things people really experience.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 13: Mm-hmm.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: So maybe that is why he's still got that appeal,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: and maybe it's the mystery element to him that has
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: killed him.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: Well, sure, one of my closest friends is a Bigfoot
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: and doesn't mind being called Bigfoot. She knows her feet
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: are big.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: Would you please take a cast out of her feet?
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: She figures her mystery is like the main thing she
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: has going for her. She says, well, I'm not really
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: very attractive, although.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: You know, she kind of, I like her look.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: Hey, there's a fetish for everything, believe me. That's what
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: the Internet's for.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so she figures, you know, if she went out and, like,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: hung out with people, you know, eventually they'd just get
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: tired of her and she'd have no aura. She'd have
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: no mystery. She'd just be like, you know, oh, there.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: So that's, you know, we're always trying to come out,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: have a beer. She's, no, no, and she'll just disappear.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: Working what she's got.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: Mystery is what sells it sometimes.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 6: Just a clear photograph.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: Well, do you think there's anything else we need? I mean,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: is there anything else? You've got a pretty good history
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: with creatures. Anything else you feel we need to pass
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: along in this one?
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 6: We covered a lot.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. All right, we'll take a break
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: and come back with the rest of the show.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 14: I was shooting a pipeline just the other day.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 25: And a great mass of water came swirling my way
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 25: I could feel it all around me as the sea
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 25: began to swell Feeling real uneasy, what was next is
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 25: hard to tell But the creatures don't must serve, boy Yeah,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 25: the creatures don't must serve, boy Hey, the creatures don't
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 25: must serve, boy Yeah, the creatures don't must serve, boy
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 25: He was slippery, he was slimy, seaweed hanging from his arms.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: I had a funny feeling it was cause for some alarm.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: He kept squatting at my feet, knocking on my board.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 10: When I serviced, he was hanging.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 17: Dead, headed for the shore.
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  Speaker 27: my surfboard. Hey, the creature stole my surfboard. Yeah, the
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  Speaker 27: creature stole my surfboard.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Carol, now you take these notes, and then we're
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  Speaker 4: about ready to begin.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, sure.
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  Speaker 9: What are you two doing here? We don't record until tomorrow.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: We're making a new promo for All Games Considered, since
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: you were dragging your feet getting one written.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, she's right, though.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 4: It's been too long, and a lot has happened since
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: the last promo. Yeah, like winning the gold NE for
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: Best Gaming Podcast for 2009.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 9: You mean the one you try to work into the
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 9: conversation every other episode?
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: Hey, now, now, there's more than that.
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  Speaker 22: There's the new format.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 9: You mean the main show every two weeks and the
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 9: assortment of other features in the meantime?
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 4: Right, like games you may never have heard of, the
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: review in new shows. Don't forget the RPG buffet.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 9: And on the main show, we have more time to
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 9: focus on gaming topics.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: Like board and card games.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 9: And RPGs. And the people who play them from the
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 9: old school to the newest of the new.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: But no changeling.
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  Speaker 2: Hey!
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  Speaker 9: Find out more at agcpodcast.info All games considered, because there's
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 9: more than one true way to play.
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  Speaker 22: You better ask my mama how to make a monster.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 27: I'm a creature from a black little lagoon.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: And I'm a beautiful.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: Monster from outer space too.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: Learn how to shake my hips. I am a man
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: of the same.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: I'm safe and get me tips.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: And then I'm like a creature from a black little lagoon.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 24: I tell you what.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: The fall that she makes when she's on land and
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: it comes after her and she turns to run. She hesitates,
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: then starts to run and trips over nothing. I laughed.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: I was like, that's really bad.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 6: Twist and ankle fall.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: What's actually awesome is that when he is on the
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: boat and grabs her and jumps off, that was an
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: amazing shot.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 6: She was a good screamer and she was kind of
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 6: unique in that she does that cool thing where she
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 6: kind of covers her mouth and muffles it. It's more real.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 6: It's like a real scream.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: That's, yeah.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 6: They did a good job.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: I will admit, again, I was expecting revenge. I don't
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: even know that I ever even saw this one. And
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: I was expecting revenge and thought, this is going to
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: be campy. And then saw it, and I was very pleased.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: It's funny, I've kind of lost the other two, the
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: memories of it.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: I remember images from it. I remember I did see it,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: and I remember that I liked it, but I didn't
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: really remember.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: The story unfolding. I just remembered, like, certain images. And
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: I remembered her.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: I remembered her, like, you know.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: Definitely.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 6: The third film, Creature Walks Among Us, which is actually
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 6: pretty good.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: Isn't that where they're experimenting?
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 6: Well, yeah. I mean, he's burned up badly at the
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 6: end of the second film and they got him alive
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 6: and he's hospitalized and they realize that under his scales
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 6: there's like flesh and they actually are trying to push
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 6: him forward in an evolutionary way.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: Turn him into a human.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 6: And they kind of do turn him into this kind
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 6: of weirdly hulking human, which he's not hulking. He's a
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 6: smelt little figure. But it's pretty good in that he's
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 6: kind of cut off from his element. He's just a prisoner.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 6: It's kind of a thoughtful movie for a sequel, but
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 6: it's not one that I ever had the patience to watch.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: What was that movie?
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 6: Is it Iceman?
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: It's like a Neanderthal guy.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you would expect.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: There was kind of a cool essay about it. It
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: was David Mamet's wife was the girl in it, and
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: so he wrote an essay about being a stage husband
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: at that movie, and it was kind of fun. The
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: big question was, is the guy going to be able
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: to act as this guy, and there was a scene
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: where he realized he couldn't trade anything for the woman,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: and he was just devastated. He's like, now what the
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: fuck do I do? And that's when they felt like, yeah,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: it'll work.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: It's still not as good as Encino Man.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you would expect that movie to go horribly wrong,
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: but it's pretty solid.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 6: I haven't seen that in a long time. It was
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 6: a cable staple years ago.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was all in there.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: No kidding.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: All right, we are back. And it's time to wrap
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: things up. Okay, kids, get out your decoder pins.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: It is time for the movie lockdown secret circle reveal
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: of the next exciting feature.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 6: I can tell that tonight's message was really important.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: This one is sort of epic in its own right.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: Next time we should be, assuming all goes right, we
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: should be back with, now listen to this, The fourth
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: annual Movie Meltdown Holiday Special. And I'm doing that in
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: quotations there. Because it's pretty damn special by the time
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: we're done with it. So, yeah. Four years we've been
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: cranking these. It's pretty amazing. So, we will be on
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: top of that. It will feature a sofa theater discussion
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: about the infamous Black Christmas. with which we just talked
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: to John Saxon. So we will get a nice One
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: from the Vaults memory from Mr. John Saxon. So that
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: should be interesting, and we'll figure out what sort of
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: ridiculous Christmas-related activities. I'm still trying to decide if we
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: should officially dub it, if you remember the title from
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: last Christmas.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know if we should continue that. It was
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: the Fuck Me Santa Holiday Special. because we watch bad
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: santa so i'm trying to decide if it should continually
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: from this point forth be the fuck me santa holiday
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: special i think.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: It's strange when someone sees your ipod and sees the
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: fucking santa special on it as a track listing but
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah itunes doesn't like when i use though i
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: i've had to keep abbreviating much like i just did
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: recently it It's taken a lot of weird words off, too.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: Little did I know that iTunes would not like when
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: I worked bestiality into a title. Who would have guessed it? But,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: you know, they didn't like that.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the bestiality fuck.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: They didn't like when I worked in pedophile.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have fun titling.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: iTunes does not agree with my titles. So, yeah, we
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: can still take a vote whether we want it to
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: be the Fuck Me Santa Holiday Special, but.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: I did like every time you, you know, welcome back
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: to the.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 10: and you get to hear her.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 13: Oh, Lauren Green.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: Lauren Green. I like Lauren Green.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, that.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: I haven't listened to it.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: That will be the next episode. Lord knows what will
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: come from that, so... All right, to round this one out,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: I thought... There is no other way for me. And
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: it's funny, now there's a lot I've found of music. Well,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: there's tons of horror-related music now anyway, because it's become
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: its own sub-genre. But to me, geek that I was,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: getting my horror... Every Halloween they do those compilations. I'm
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: sure you have many, Dave. Again, I accumulated a lot
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: of them over the years, and I loved the Dave
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: Edmonds Creature from the Black Lagoon song. It's just sort
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: of a staple... I figure, you know, we're only doing
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: the original movie once, so we should go out with that. So,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: this will be The Creature from the Black Lagoon. Otherwise,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: that about does it. We will return next week. Same
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: geek time, same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 26: All he wanted was a lady That at night came
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 26: up from the deep.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 5: He was feeling like Decided to take one while the
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 5: city was asleep The thoughtless fashion maiden Was clutched from
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 5: where she lay.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 10: And taken away to a hole.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 14: Down under The borders of the.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 15: The creature from the Black Lagoon A strange to see
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 15: him back so soon After his last.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: Intended in the dirty on him Didn't last.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 15: Five minutes in the swim With the creature from the
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 15: Black Lagoon Missing him again.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 17: Real soon After his last intended in the dirty on him.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 10: Only a surface or a companion.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 26: Cause of that he's never been seen Just a big
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 26: footprint in the eyes of his baby In a quiet terror,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 26: a honeymoon scream The unsuspecting maiden Will be cursed from
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 26: where she.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 14: Sleeps And take him.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: Away to a home down under.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 26: Water and that's the key While a creature from the
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 26: black lagoon Had.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 17: A strength to save my soul Soon after his last
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 17: intent It did the dirty on him Didn't last five.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 10: Minutes in the swim.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 14: They're taking their way to a.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 10: Home down under the water.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: Black Lagoon, it's.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 17: Strange to see him back so soon. After his last event,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 17: they did the dirty on him. Didn't last five minutes
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 17: in the swim.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 10: Where's the creature from the Black Lagoon? I'll be seeing
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 10: him again real soon.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 14: The sand.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 15: We'll see you next time.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: Thanks for bringing your toys.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 6: Some cool stuff.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 20: Yeah.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 6: A lot of fun. I enjoyed it.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 10: I love toys.
• 1:31:58
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• 1:32:04
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• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: Talk hard!