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NFL Week 14 DFS Review Show | December 11, 2023 | DraftKings DFS Lineup Review and Analysis · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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All system's going clear the left up. What's up? Everyone? Tyler Tambaline
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I'll let Tyler talk about that shortly. Gonna bring in our guests. Tyler
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don't know. Maybe you know how to use the mute button. If you're
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on it, you can turn it off. Our guy, Naid's well,
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give him at a little pass here on this one. But what's going on,
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Tyler? How you doing? Man Maids getting it early? I'm good
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man. It was a fun weekend, fun weekend with football and happy to
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go over the slate and review it with you guys. Yeah, it's gonna
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be another good one. The perfect lineup is a little bit off the wall,
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but the lineups the one tournaments yesterday are definitely gonna be good to talk
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about. We'll go through break all that down, Neids. I'm just messing
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with you man. I know you're grinding it out between meeting after meeting,
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jamming this in between. We appreciate you being here with us. Always fun
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to break these down with you. What's going on, man, man?
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How you doing? Yeah? I got this beautiful light up microphone that lights
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up when it's not on mute, and well it was lit up and I
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forgot to hit the mut button. There doing a double duty here, triple
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duty multitask. And that's what we do over here at the Nation. We
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get you guys all the stuff you need and no matter what what our schedules
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are, we put you guys first. We appreciate everyone tuning into this show.
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One of the best shows of my process, your process, I'm sure
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Tyler's process, and many of you in the chat. So we see that
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and Big Rob too much. Tomorrow we're gonna talk about that, We're gonna
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talk about Moss, We're gonna talk about all of it. Can't be results
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oriented in spots like that. I mean, we'll talk about that. Those
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three running backs were chalked for a reason. They were not only the stone
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Kno matchups of the year, but they were all in opportunities were there everything
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like that. I mean, you can't be results or intent in that.
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And at the end of the day, some things just don't happen and don't
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come through. But hey, we got two games slate tonight with five hundred
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thousand dollars up top. So if you didn't have the best week, like
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myself, you got more money to make tonight. Yeah, it hasn't been
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a great week for you so far. There's still time to get after it.
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This afternoon, Hoop Title and Myself will be over on the Mail Media
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Network two pm Eastern breaking down those two games. The NFL has chose to
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run both of those games at the exact same time, so we're gonna see
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apparently they're testing it out to see how it goes. It's gonna be interesting.
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If you've got two TVs, it's nice you can just throw it up
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on both. That's what I'll be doing. But I think if you don't
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I like that Miami Tennessee game, I'm gonna be very interested to see how
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that goes. So people are saying it's Will Levis Day. I don't know
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if that's gonna be true. We'll break it all down later on. I
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kind of like Jordan Love actually in the other game. But we'll get there.
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Lots of great people in the chat. We appreciate you all, Tyler.
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I'm gonna let you talk about this first. We're gonna go through the
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perfect lineup over here, but just let the people know a little bit.
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the mute buttons are cutting in and out. But the best one bends
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that had tried to come back in after that situation and been on mute and
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we could call him mute donkey, but we'll see, Naids, I'll let
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you start this one off, man. The perfect lineup is Lamar Jackson,
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Breesall, James Cook, DJ Moore, Drake London, Deebo went off again,
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David and Joku Evan Ingram the double tight end in the same game.
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And then the Minnesota Vikings, spending forty nine to eight, got to do
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sixty two. The winner of the twenty dollars Milli maker, Hacksaw eleven,
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ended up getting to around two thirty I believe to thirty point eighty four.
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So uh, a little bit more was here two hundred and sixty two point
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nine four. But this is just the optimal, the best possible lineup that
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you could find out there. What's your thoughts on this one? Nad's break
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it down for us. Yeah, I mean you can call a couple plays
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like I mean, obviously, the Lamar play is an interesting player. We're
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gonna see that once we reveal lineups that actually did win contest yesterday, Right
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the Lamar Jackson spend up. People are going to mahomes, which I'm on
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Team Tambeau. Hashtag never Mahomes, but as a spend up, people weren't
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going to Lamar. Obviously that game shot out. You needed that game in
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terms of winning any of the big contest. Lamar stacks there with likely and
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Dusty s Obj catching bombs, so interesting slate overall. But Dj Moore obviously,
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great play, Drake London, great play. I know I was on.
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I mean, those two were both in my main team that did do
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pretty solid. I went with the Justin Field stack, So those two were
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good plays. The depot play you can get to Debo right, while Deebo
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just smashed last week his talk on Hey, I need to get them all
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more things like that. I was thinking that we're going to get more guys
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involved like a kittle or obviously the spot that McCaffrey was but I mean deebro
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leveraging the McCaffrey spot at three thousand dollars cheaper almost, I mean, was
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a good play. Then the joke who Evan Ingram, I mean Evan Ingram
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apparently just scores a touchdown every week now after after he finally found the box
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there, So I don't know, I mean, you can draw a couple
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of plays from this From this lineup, the Lamar London, Deebo and DJ
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Moore pretty much what I understand or what I would have looked at. But
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the James Cook play. I heard some people talking about James Cook. I
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wasn't really on the James Cook play in that game, but I mean,
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since the new offensive coordinator took over there in Buffalo, James Cook's been the
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guy. So the opportunity couch as we're there, and we're going to see
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him show up in a couple of winning lineups too, I'm sure. So
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overall, I mean kind of just when when stuff like this, when Chalk
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Bust, you see a weird lineup like this, right because you just get
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random random guys like a double tight End from the same game find find the
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perfect build. Yeah, it never works. That's why it's why it's never
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mahomes. It works like one time every two years, and then even then
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you got one hundred and fifty lineups, you probably don't have it. So
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I've been saying this forever. I try and explain it to people. He's
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incredible, great talent. I know people were making fun of him last night
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for crying and whining after the game. That was a bad look. But
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as far as talent goes and just mahomes in general, he's incredible generational for
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us right now. A talent we played dfs thal I don't care about that
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stuff, so to me, just a horrible waste of money when you're putting
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him into your portfolio and continue to say it with confidence, because even when
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you're right and he's right and becomes optimal, you probably don't have it or
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you still didn't invest enough to get it right. There's not too many other
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quarterbacks like that that make it that difficult. But just go look at any
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Kansas City Chiefs box score and you'll see why. When the list is this
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long of names, you got to try and pair it with. This was
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something too that this is what I'll say. I'll start this not just for
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the call. I mean, I really liked that one, but I said
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this pre show to these guys, and I'm excited when we get into diving
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into these lineups. Is a lot of the plays that turned out to be
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good or great or in these winning lineups were to me great plays in the
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sense of not just knowing the result after the fact. But you'll see why.
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Like James Cook, prime example, what did we know Pacheco and McKinnon
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were the topic of discussion on the other side of the game. It was
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expensive to stack that game up. Never Mahomes or if you were going like
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I was on the Allen side, it was awesome you could do that.
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And by the way, I'm just messing around people. No, obviously I
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played a little Mahomes up Van Duil, I said, at least there.
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I know, I'm just going him Rice Kelsey and cutting it off. But
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it's more of a touchdown dependent sight. So I was like, you know,
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you can get a tight end hard to get touchdowns out of most of
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them. Kelsey makes sense if Rice gets in the box. He did,
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and then maybe, but even that it was very limited. And I put
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that in the slave plan as well. So it's a running joke, but
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I'm making fun of it at the same time. But the thing for James
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Cook was Dawson Knox was back and he's big time blocker, tight end,
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and what do you want to do, Speaking of the talent of a guy
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like Mahomes, you want to keep him off the field. So everyone was
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like, oh, but James Cook has Latavious Murray there to steal the goal.
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Line. You're not worried about the goal line. Josh Allen's there to
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steal the goal line too. It's one of those things. But you want
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him running the ball three to five times to drive and then he's quick enough
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and fast enough in some cases when he doesn't fumble the ball that he can
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get out there and find his way in space. So a really good game
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for him. But from a game theory perspective, no ownership in the game
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you wanted with the big total that you weren't getting to the other aj Brown
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Stefan Diggs's of the world because they were too expensive. It was a way
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to get a piece in that game on the opposite side of where most of
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the field was going. When they were getting a piece of that game in
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the running back. There's other plays like that. On the sleigh yesterday,
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Mixing fit in there with Moss. He was still well under my twov two
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SWAPERU by the way, it was Moss and Chase, and Chase got more
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ownership than we thought. He got up there with the number the same as
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Pittman, and you had Mixing much less than Moss, or at least ten
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to fifteen some places more less so that little two v two was like forty
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points to twelve or something, just absolutely crushed again. So keep looking out
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for those on the Sunday show, Tyler, I'll go to you on this
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line up. Man. Some people thought about Lamar naked yesterday. It ended
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up being in the optimal, but people were saying, it's hard to figure
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out who to put him with. He's kind of in that tone of Mahomes.
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But it's also just like you don't even want to put him in because
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there's way better plays at those prices. When Mark Andrews is there, it
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makes it a little bit easier. But for this case, what do you
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see with this one besides Lamar up at the top, other guys mixed in
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double tight end? Where are you at with this? Winning a lot with
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this soft to malign up? Yeah, with this Lamar play, I mean,
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Lamar is one of the quarterbacks you can go naked just because his rushing
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upside. I still will always stack him with one and you could win doing
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that, and so I would always lean into the stack rather than no stack
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here. But as far as all of these plays, I mean, we've
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all talked about them. They're all pretty much decent plays. But literally every
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single one of them is in one of the better games of the week minus
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Breese Hall. You know that game, most people were just canceling out,
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but we know he's a very good running back and can score in Fantasy he
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just hasn't been. But outside of that, every other game is either a
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very fast paced game or one of the highest game totals of the week.
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And then you have the Vikings who that game was just absolutely awful and always
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good to target a D in one of those awful games. So I understand
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how all of these picks got onto the perfect lineup. It's just one of
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those things without the stacking, and it's incredibly hard to keep picking all those
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on any sort of regularity. Yeah, and I agree too, Like I
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think a lot of these, like More in London, were awesome plays on
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paper, on everywhere like those made sense, and a lot of like I
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was on Ritter, we'll get to that in a second. I was on
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Fields. He was my main corp with More and Comet. The thing about
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tight End is these two just broke it, and I know that's why it
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ends up on the optimal. But like Bryant had been the guy with with
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Flacco the week before they go back to Djoku. Ingram scored his first touchdown
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of the season last week, like nads had said, and now comes back
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and as all of a sudden, the dude now mind you know Christian Kirk,
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So you could could have got it from that angle. Trevor Lawrence does
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end up playing even through injury, so you're like, okay, I could
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see that. So you kind of see this one in hindsight where it's funny
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too because they both ended up the same. But even if you had a
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said everyone is like interested at least somewhat in djoku summer talking themselves off of
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it. Some are going in on him. You could have got to Ingram
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on the other side and not need both still and got to a lineup that
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made sense there where he was your Christian Kirk fillin debo. I said this
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plenty of times, just like I always say in many sports and all those
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No way, he's getting three touchdowns again, that's right, you're probably correct,
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but he doesn't need three touchdowns again. Two comes in just fine,
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and he still has a big game. And if you weren't getting the CMC,
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you'll see here it's a much more balanced roster construction. He can still
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come in Handy Purdy was popping everywhere. He made sense London, similar thing.
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Forty six hundred just too cheap for the spot. Played better at home.
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He was in the tidbits. That's why I liked that stack. I'll
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go to that one in the second. More has been incredible out there and
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it wasn't even a huge game for him. It was just a big game.
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But it wasn't like a thirty five plus point type thing here, or
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like a Mike Evans week from the week before or nothing like that. Just
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twenty six point eight was enough. Fields was solid. We talked about the
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opposite side of Pa Checko. If people were playing Garrett Wilson, who also
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had a great game, and Conklin was in there as well, people were
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playing you could just play Bresee Hall. It worked out for him and then
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Lamar obviously the spot that he was in. This continues to be a thing.
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By the way, Lamar Jackson versus the NFC teams just puts up thirty
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five plus against them almost every time. So lots of good stuff you can
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take away from this one. A couple takeaways here quick going to go over
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to our stack rankings fast. We talked about line Star and our partnership there.
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Line Star does provide our ownership projections as well, like Tyler said,
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they do quite a bit over there. But just to see it, and
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it's where we get our total ownership from. But just look at it.
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We had the Browning Hudson even got the touchdown. Chase did not come through,
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but the Purty Stacks came through quite nicely. You could have add Debo
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to that as well. I had the Ritter London Pit stack. Love that
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one. Talked about it plenty. This was in my core the field's more
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Comet that was okay, really needed Pits or Comet to get another touchdown to
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somehow keep up with the Ingrams and the Jokus of the world. Like once
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they get a couple, you're like, okay, I'm in trouble. But
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not a lot of people played Flaco in Joku. So it was like and
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then how many people had in Joku as a one off and so on and
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so forth, where you could have still got there if Comets and Pits or
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Comet and or Pitts could have got more with these stacks that you had them
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with Because DJ Moore was solid. Drake London was sald. We saw both
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them in that optimal lineup. You could have made some of this stuff work.
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So the stack rankings were on point once again. And before we get
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a shot, Tyler, I'll kick it back to you. Let's look at
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this twenty dollars Millie Maker winner. It was a tight race yesterday between this
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top three. The winning lineup ended up being, to your point, you
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would stack them, it ended up being a stack of Lamar Odell, likely
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the Odell revenge game came true, by the way. Then it had Rashad
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White, Joe Mixon, Deebo, Samuel Drake, London, Austin Eckler,
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and again we see of course that Minnesota defense. It spent the full fifty
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K and had most of what you would expect to see. No bring back
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from the other side of the Ravens game for the Rams. Just hard to
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get it right maybe or just to want to go there. But what's your
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thoughts Tyler on Hacksaw Elevans winning twenty dollars million Maker lineup. Uh. One
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of the things that I love here is and we talked about it earlier,
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where Lamar is hard to figure out the stacks with sometimes, but when you
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do, you have two pass catchers that are both super cheap, so you're
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saving a ton of salary and you're able to, you know, go to
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some of the chalk higher priced guys throughout the rest of your lineup and you
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know, really kind of push that ceiling type score, which he did,
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you know. And then also the mix and play. The mixing play was
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higher owned than I thought it would be, being that Moss was going to
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be super chalky as well. But I all in all, I like it,
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and pretty much all of his plays in that lineup were ones that I
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used in some of mine, except I, unfortunately just didn't have much Lamar.
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Yeah, and what I was looking at here while you were talking about,
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because you made some great points, one being don't you don't know if
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it's gonna hit, but if it does with those guys like you get the
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talk about a combo pack. I mean, that is extremely cheap for two
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guys that are putting up almost forty points for you, and they're definitely capable
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of it, So I see that. But another note was no run back,
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and the reason I brought it up is because the second place finisher,
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Jay Hilgers five did use Kieran Williams, who had a decent game. I
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mean, the guy is still getting worked in a ton. He was also
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low owned, he was away to run it back. I know Baltimore is
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a tough matchup no matter what, but again, both these guys are similar.
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Rashan White volume, Kieran Williams has been getting volume. But if you
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look here, could have left three hundred bucks on the table played Kieran Williams
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would have cost the million. Then some would have been a I think I
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believe it looks like an eight hundred and fifty thousand or sorry, nine hundred
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and fifty thousand dollars mistake just that first glance. So yeah, it would
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have been something that you got wrong, so you don't always have to run
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it back again. Who knows how they actually got here. Something could have
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just went their way, or they put it in my hand or whatever it
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might be. But yeah, you could have left three hundred bucks and played
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the run back and it wouldn't have been the winning MILLI Maker lineup. So
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Nate's I'll go to you your thoughts on this one, the chat had said,
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you know, White seemed to be the forgotten running back this week.
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I think it was more of a product of just what we had at our
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fingertips. There was a lot of good running back plays out there yesterday.
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So Nate's I'll let you talk through this one. Your thoughts on Hacksaw Evans
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winning lineup. Yeah, it's hard to criticize a Milli winner, obviously,
21:22
when it's built to a sense like this where it actually makes sense what I
21:26
would have probably did if I'm double stacking Lamar, right, Obviously, you
21:30
know Lamar's got the rushing upside, But if you're double stacking, you're hoping
21:33
he's throwing for touchdowns too, obviously likely obj, I'm hoping that Rams keep
21:40
it close. Obviously they did, right. I probably instead of Eckler here
21:44
when that news came out, with Eckler right with the three headed split,
21:48
and obviously Eckler still did decent right. It was a great matchup Denver,
21:51
best matchup against running backs. All that. I would have went with probably
21:56
Cooper Cup or Nikoov obviously Cup Newt, but Nikou as well, just because
22:03
you're expecting them to keep the game close. So That's probably the one tweak
22:07
that I would have made, But obviously he still got there. Eckler still
22:11
had a decent game. What it just that's typically how I if I'm double
22:15
stacking, I usually try and run it back, especially when you have the
22:18
money, like when you're already having Eckler in the flex at seventy six hundred,
22:23
you have the money to grab one of those rams pieces, whether it's
22:26
Kyrone, whether it's Cooper Cup, whether it's Nicula. But that's also the
22:30
other caveat to that argument is which one They're all priced within two hundred dollars
22:33
of each other, right, which one do you put pick? It's is
22:37
it nikooa week? Is it a Cup week? Is it a Kyrien Williams
22:40
week? If he goes to Kyron, he obviously does not win the MILLI
22:44
So things like that. That's a little results oriented, but that there's just
22:47
ways to think about it. If you're double stacking and running quarterback like Lamar
22:51
with two cheap guys, you have the salary to spend up for the stud
22:55
on the other side to keep the game close. It is kind of how
22:56
I would have brought that brought that back as a little tweak. I like
23:00
the mix and play. We were all over the mix, and it leverages
23:03
the chase, it leverages the browning. Obviously, Mixing still got the ownership
23:06
there for a good reason. Everyone was kind of in on that game.
23:08
The debo sixteen percent for Deebo coming off a ceiling game there. But it
23:12
also you knew McCaffrey was projected to be thirty to forty percent ownership, right,
23:18
Well, if McCaffrey's not getting there, maybe it's Debo on an end
23:19
around. Maybe it's Deebo just doing what Debo did right and doing the modified
23:23
Tyreek little peace signs as he busts through the middle of the field and runs
23:27
for a sixty yard touchdown. So overall, great built here. The only
23:32
only tweak I would have had is probably, since you already had this the
23:34
money to go to Eckler, I would have probably just spent to cup or
23:40
Kyront to give me a run back in that game. Yeah, and the
23:42
couple's actually pretty interesting because he's seventy four hundred, much the herd price that
23:45
we're used to seeing a mat. He actually would have added six more points
23:48
to the mix. I just had to find I thought it would have found
23:51
it a lot sooner, so I was like swiping through some of these,
23:53
but no one really went with that, and it's funny, but yeah,
23:56
in that case, it would make sense. Tw hundred bucks left on the
23:59
tables more than five and it's usually forty nine to seven and up is typically
24:02
what you'll see win these things. For the actual winning lineup of the tournament,
24:06
not the optimal that we just looked at, but that would have really
24:07
finished it out right. So you would have had the run back, you
24:11
would had the secondary of White and Drake London. Again, what's a way
24:14
to cut into some of the Drake London ownership? Use White. On the
24:17
other side, the flip side, I know Moss was I don't know if
24:21
we'll see a Moss up here, so I'll all set up No, I
24:26
mean ownership. I'ggle check in the second. I think it was thirty nine
24:29
or thirty six percent, But either way, mixing did get some steam late,
24:32
but I don't hate it. Opposite side, we talked about that debo
24:36
instead of CMC, a different defense than the Chalk three K Cleveland d all
24:41
would make sense and we'd be in pretty good shape here still, So I
24:44
definitely don't mind that. What was the final number on so the mosque came
24:51
thirtyeah, thirty eight point eight here for Moss, So that was that one,
24:57
and then I was looking up the other defenses and it was, you
25:02
know, twelve for the Jets. I was trying to see if I could
25:03
find a Cleveland here quickly, just to see. We can always go back
25:07
and look like just that, that's another thing to see the defense. So
25:11
Cleveland came in at nineteen percent and scored twelve points. Yeah, and this
25:17
is the stuff too, where again like people always auto avoid, it's I
25:19
think underweight is typically a good stance. But like the other thing people forget
25:23
is what it's twofold of being extremely high variance. That's why people say,
25:26
I'll just you can just fade the choc D and you'll get there. It
25:30
got there this week. But I'm saying like, also, there is some
25:32
certainty to a spot like this, and that's why you'll see even when people
25:36
are using sims and stuff now, especially looking at that, you'll still see
25:38
this usually come out in pretty good form just because there is some certainty to
25:44
the spot and the projection is so strong based on that that you still see
25:47
it be popular. For that reason. I think a lot of you know,
25:51
sharper players will look at some of the exposures later take it. They'll
25:55
they won't exit out, but they'll take an underweight stance to it. And
25:59
that that is what I think that makes more sense, Like let me get
26:00
some Cleveland, but let me also get all the options around it that could
26:04
do pretty well. We talked about New Orleans, Minnesota. We just saw
26:07
on the winner all of that, but it was both Josh, this was
26:12
talked about pretty much all week. Again, I do a lot of content,
26:15
and I watch a lot and listen to a lot, and it was
26:18
either or right, no, you didn't really care. You're either getting a
26:21
gimped up as they were saying, Trevor Lawrence, who's coming in, that's
26:25
gonna be on one knee or one leg or whatever it might be. Or
26:27
you're getting a or one ankle i should say, with the high ankle sprain,
26:32
or you're getting the backup in Bethards. So I think that was why,
26:36
and it was fine. I actually thought I said this all week like
26:38
people could say what they want. My point was that it's twofold and that's
26:42
why that's exactly why. I don't know how you don't know. It's literally
26:45
obvious it's a guy on playing on a high ankle, sprain or the other.
26:48
They still scored twelve like that is perfectly fine. And this ownership percentage.
26:52
I argued this all week two. Like other spots like this, we've
26:56
seen thirty to forty percent. You just weren't getting it, like people couldn't
27:00
fully commit. They did, it was going up, down, up down,
27:02
so you actually had it stay in check. And I saw them on
27:06
other teams out there that were in good shape that won the challenge was is
27:08
you got a thirty one and twenty four hundred that beat them? So while
27:12
not needed, the point was they didn't do horrible and they were still in
27:15
a really good spot either or so regardless of that, I think they're fine.
27:19
Let's go look at the five point fifty five million maker legendary. You
27:26
know, Hishmu has just been on fire. This guy's incredible, great dude,
27:29
family man. He just did an interview on the High Stakes podcast with
27:33
Neil Orfield, which you should go and watch. He's just an awesome guy.
27:37
I've got the pleasure of meeting him a few times out there. He
27:38
always brings his family out. Awesome, dude, just crushed it man first
27:44
and second, I know you want to bunt and fifth, I should say
27:45
who knows end ninth? Like I didn't even see all those I knew first
27:48
and second. But on top of that, he won a bunch of a
27:52
bunch more World Championship seats yesterday, so he'll be going to Arizona this week.
27:56
So just awesome for him. He's the right now, the current Fantasy
28:00
Baseball World Championship winner. Just a crusher of all sports. So shut up
28:03
to hishpou Ritesh, congrats. Let's talk about his lineup, Tyler. Here's
28:07
the winning lineup. Leverage some of that CMC ownership, leverage some of that
28:15
Moss ownership, and then got some other good plays in there as well,
28:18
even when on the opposite side of m Djoku in this one went against the
28:22
cech is Like this lineup was just man one hundred bucks above Cleveland. This
28:26
is what we're talking about, and that's why we're talking about a legend in
28:29
hishpou Rock perdy ayuk debo. Don't need to run it back opposite side Moss
28:36
and Mixon plug in Javonte Williams and Drake London. They're fine, go opposite
28:41
side of Ndjoku who actually ended up crushing, but it's just to say the
28:45
other side of it instead of that. No, Christian Kirk not use a
28:48
running back in the flex where most have cech or are deciding on McKinnon and
28:53
go with Rice, who's still popular, but again not who you play,
28:56
it's how you play them, not with one of those backs, not in
29:00
the wide receiver hole, and then goes with Minnesota defense at a much loller
29:04
ownership than Cleveland. There we'll look at his other second place line up in
29:07
a second with Tyler. I'll let you talk about this one first. Yeah,
29:11
I mean, going with Perdy Ayuk and Deebo in this contest, there's
29:15
not many people that would have had that stack to begin with, and then
29:19
that just kind of allows him to go to some of the chalkier pieces with
29:22
London, with Rice, with mixing and all in all is just an extremely
29:29
well built lineup and you can really only say good things about that lineup.
29:33
Yeah, I mean, it's literally perfect the setup of it, and it
29:37
doesn't matter, but like just to go back and look like I looked at
29:41
this earlier, and of course it always does. This saw me at breaks,
29:42
so we'll go back to it, but just to see, like I
29:45
knew he'd played the max. Yeah, I got his exposures. Yeah,
29:49
he's got seventy five seventy five, And I brought up his exposures because that
29:52
was the point I was going to bring up, because if you look at
29:56
his exposures he had, he obviously was going in on the brock Purty stack
30:02
because he was basically underweight the field on McCaffrey. So he knew if he
30:07
was going to underweight the field on McCaffrey. He had twenty six point seven
30:11
percent of McCaffrey, so he probably thought he was going to go in line
30:14
with the field or a little bit under right. In this contest, McCaffrey
30:18
came in at thirty six point three percent. He had twenty six, so
30:21
he was trying to basically match the field or be slightly under But when you
30:25
look at his party, he had almost forty percent Brock party lineups when the
30:29
field was between thirteen and fifteen percent, So he knew he was going like
30:33
two and a half x the field right on brock Purty The other thing that
30:37
he did was he had seventeen percent Jake Browning, basically matching the field.
30:41
But what he did at the running back position as he had almost eighty percent
30:45
Joe Mixon. So just I mean, that's the stuff we're talking about.
30:49
When you're building an MM set, Tamball, you talk about all the time.
30:52
That's why you build in multiple sets, especially in Showdown, to cover
30:56
different game scenarios. He built in structured his pool, building in leverage to
31:04
each position, but still covering the other angle. Right, So he still
31:07
had the Browning stacks, But when he didn't have the Browning stacks, he
31:11
was leveraging with mixing. Right. If Browning's not getting there at that price
31:15
and Chase isn't getting there, well maybe it's mixing. And so like that's
31:18
one thing that stands up to me is his exposures. He was underweight on
31:21
McCaffrey, overweight on Purty, underweight on Browning, overweight on Mixing. Right,
31:26
just like so much leverage. In a second, yeah, I'll pull
31:30
them up in a second. I want to continue on this path anyway for
31:32
a second, because I misspoke. I forgot this was the five to fifty
31:34
five million makers, so you actually could put one fifty and he played seventy
31:38
five hat which is half. I see here two gun another great player,
31:41
sixty four awesome, only played fifty instead of maxing it out. So just
31:47
the note of not needing to max it up. But also talking about those
31:49
world championships I know for a fact, and Hishu one of the best out
31:52
there at everything, but also at satellites and qualifiers, been playing for many
31:56
years where he's winning these seats and getting in. I met him at King
32:00
of the Beach a couple times as well too, so seeing him in all
32:02
these places. It's via satellites. You can get a lot of these tickets
32:06
within those. I know a lot of people think like seventy five at five
32:08
fifty five, he's in for heaps. He wins a lot of them in
32:12
these satellites. A lot of these guys do to be honest, so you
32:14
got to remember that as well. But just a great return on it,
32:16
and today's point you can you can just click in here and see if we
32:21
go by quarterback, he was way over on Brock forty thirty seven percent.
32:25
The rest he was pretty even or under on, but just over on Browning
32:29
just under on Fields over on Lamar. Fine you go here, like Nate
32:32
said, way over on Mixon. So he was gonna be in on him
32:36
no matter what, meaning you could still stack him in to your lineups with
32:39
Browning, which you definitely could do for the price range of both. It
32:42
was very cheap to combo them up. So it still went in on Cech.
32:45
That didn't get there. So you see in that other lineup, no
32:47
Cch but instead Rice underweight on McCaffrey, underweight on Zach Moss, and there
32:54
you go the flip of the Moss to Joe Mixon. We're not gonna go
32:59
through everything at all, little bit, but heavy on Zay Jones Ayuk of
33:01
course with those stacks Debo uh much more Ayuk than Debo too, which is
33:07
interesting because he ended up in that one. So that's just the way that
33:08
shakes out ability to put a lot of good plays. DJ Moore, Jamar
33:13
Chase, Olave London, Pittman, all those guys in when you do it
33:17
like that, tight end heavy on I think this is still him just one
33:22
second, yeah, likely, and then Pitts Cole Comet with those quarterbacks we
33:27
talked about. And then defense like I'm curious, is Cleveland situation here?
33:31
Let me just see something real quick. I want to see make sure I'm
33:35
on it. Defense. Yeah, I fixed it. Yeah, so Cleveland
33:39
way under. So again didn't get rid of them, just what I talked
33:42
about earlier, but went under on Cleveland, which allows you to get over
33:45
on a couple in that range or a few Minnesota, the Jets and Cincy
33:52
well getting San Francisco in there, which I liked as well. With you
33:54
got the news late of Gino maybe not being in there, I definitely still
33:59
thought that was a good way to go about it, and just to go
34:01
back because now that I fixed it, I knew it didn't look right.
34:05
He wasn't as high unlikely as what that was, but he was heavier on
34:07
Kittle, so it was iu Kittle stacks more with the purty stuff than Debo.
34:12
And it's funny because Deebo actually ended up uh in that lineup, but
34:15
at eight percent in that field. Let's look at his second one, Tyler,
34:19
very similar. But this is the one I was bringing up pre show
34:22
and the one that I saw win a lot of the qualifiers that he was
34:25
in. So while it still ended up second in this tournament, and he
34:29
had a better version of it that was in his big set of seventy five
34:32
or whenever he moved it around. Something about this one stuck out for him.
34:37
And maybe it's some of the safety factors that we'll talk about in a
34:39
second, but just in general, something about this one stuck out because he
34:44
used this one in more of those cues. And I will say the first
34:46
part that stands out to me is in the cues that we're talking about,
34:50
we're talking about higher dollar, smaller field. You can definitely get away with
34:53
running an overstack like this or more of what we'd call an onslaught, because
35:00
you can get away with more mistakes, but if you're right, you're really
35:02
right, and you just blow away the field. And I believe in most
35:05
of the ones I was in and saw him it was two zero five and
35:07
the next closest person being around one to eighty five, and in situations like
35:12
that, so it did do its job, Tyler, go ahead and talk
35:15
about this one. Obviously a little bit aggressive on the pass catchers, right,
35:19
yeah, I mean in those contests, the you know, smaller amount
35:22
of entries. It makes total sense, especially with the for forty nine ers
35:27
had the highest team total yesterday by like four points or something like that,
35:32
so it made a lot of sense just stacking them heavy. I mean,
35:36
it was likely going to be a blowout, but the blowout doesn't have to
35:39
be all. McCaffrey can be the pass catchers, and they all got it
35:44
done. And Kittle could have been very close to breaking this late as well.
35:49
He had a couple you know, big plays, just didn't get the
35:52
target volume as Debo kind of took everything. But it's another good lineup,
35:58
I mean, kind of what you spent expect from Hishbew at this point.
36:02
So I got to him, what a what a day man? Yeah,
36:07
massive day and then gets to go, Now a bunch of seats in Arizona
36:10
this upcoming weekend with two point five million up top, we got a guy
36:14
g rising there. I'mnna be rooting for him as well as all these other
36:16
guys that I know and like around the industry. But Naid's I'll kick it
36:20
over to you. Obviously, you play party like this, you get what
36:22
you need. It's funny though, like you're Purty twenty five because he has
36:27
to just chuck it basically, and that's what you'll get out of him a
36:30
ton, But then look at Divo Ayu Kittle, the double tight end,
36:34
all this stuff mixing instead. But the interesting part to me and AIGs was
36:37
why I said maybe it's the safety factor of it. Was like, obviously
36:39
the over the onslaught that you're putting in and then the Cech plays, like
36:44
at least I'll get a little more of Cech and Garrett Wilson and some of
36:47
those safer plays in there. But what's your takeaway on this line up with
36:51
the extra guys. The first thing I see that stands out to me is
36:54
fifty nine hundred. Who else was fifty nine hundred in the flex that everyone
36:58
was playing is Moss? Right? So I mean that's one thing that stands
37:04
out to me. He went with the double tight end, double leverage.
37:07
Right, George Kittle, He's already on slotting, so if he's doing purty,
37:10
I mean he could have easily played Zach Moss at sixty percent ownership or
37:15
whatever you probably came in. I mean, he was probably forty almost forty
37:16
percent in this contest. So throwing Kiddle there leverage the Cleveland defense chalk against
37:23
Evan Ingram in the tight end spot, do the type double tight end.
37:27
You don't need a run back because you don't know is it jsm is Lockett,
37:30
is it Metcalf With all the stuff going on there right in Seattle,
37:36
and you're hoping, if you're building like this, that Sam Franz is going
37:38
to blow the doors off this team, So you don't really need a run
37:40
back, and then you just come back with good plays on the other end.
37:43
He didn't. He didn't jump away from the forty two hundred dollars Clyde
37:46
Edwards Hilaire coach speak there right, splitting carries and all that. The Joe
37:52
Mixon right to leverage the chase the Brownings. We already talked about that.
37:55
And then the Garrett Wilson play probably just fit his script. I was he
38:00
had a decent amount of Garrett Wilson when you look at his exposures. Garret
38:04
Wilson was his third highest receiver, so he definitely saw something in Garrett Wilson.
38:07
Whatever, it was, obviously a very sharp play there to get to
38:12
Garrett Wilson in that game that nobody wanted to go to right because it was
38:16
gross weather game there, and obviously that's what you need. One play like
38:21
that to differentiate your portfolio and get you to the top. So overall,
38:24
obviously amazing bill, amazing player, and even a better guy, which which
38:29
is cool to see. Yeah, and that's one thing too, Like the
38:32
Wilson and Wilson actual I'm gonna go look that up in the twenty dollars.
38:35
I feel like this is interesting that it was maybe less popular here. I
38:38
might be wrong. I'll go check that out again. But he was still
38:40
popping for sure, and people were talking about Zach Wilson being back and how
38:44
many targets he gets. And it's still a decent spot for them, even
38:46
though it's not the best teams that you want to be targeting, can still
38:51
rack him up quick. We talk about that all the time. We're still
38:52
got a wide receiver Wilson, extremely talented. We see the six percent,
38:58
Okay, so similar. It's crazy they didn't get as much. But I
39:00
guess you're filling it with other spots. But we've seen this in the past
39:02
two with guys like Christian Watson before the injury. You can get like a
39:06
very talented wide receiver on a team that everybody thinks is bad so that they
39:09
don't want to go there, but you still can rack these up. We
39:12
saw it yesterday with Drake London for forty six hundred, same thing. He's
39:15
still their wide receiver one. If you thought it was gonna be the situation
39:19
stuff, I'd posted in the Tidbits that Atlanta plays better at home, not
39:22
only just London, but it's all the ritter. London and Pits all have
39:25
much better numbers at home. They did again yesterday as well, but another
39:30
one here too. Like nobody was getting fooled by that late news. I
39:32
talked about this on the show yesterday. People remember as well that McKinnon's gonna
39:37
get splits and all this stuff, Like nobody gets fooled by that, because
39:39
you can see here he could have moved Kittle up in the tight end.
39:44
He could have had Jack McKinnon here and had JSN down here and had a
39:50
little secondary stack that way and still go about it and the opposite side of
39:53
Moss not going there. Still use a fifty nine hundred dollars spot, but
39:58
put it at tight end instead of Moss in one of the s flex or
40:00
running back spots, and then you know, be different that way. But
40:02
I just I wanted to see if he even went to Seattle guy's buch yea
40:06
he had in his pool non zero. I doubt man he did like us,
40:10
I don't think anyone was getting fooled by that, Like that's just that
40:13
type of stuff that late is just I I never really go off him.
40:16
McKinnon got into I don't know what he ended up scoring. I could look
40:19
that up too. But the last thing I liked you bought you brought up
40:22
this point, dads was not on Cleveland defense on Evan Ingram. Not many
40:25
people. Again, if you're if you're going off of the Cleveland d why
40:29
not do it with the guy that could be filling in with Christian Kirk out
40:31
and getting more targets that way with Trevor Lawrence playing, so definitely definitely like
40:37
that spot and now again we'll get and he had no Seattle. He had
40:39
no Seattle piece in his in his playerpool at all. None. Let's go
40:45
see Nad's is all the spoiler. He's the he's the the non mute spoiler
40:50
play of the day. Let's see it here, Hishbu go to the only
40:54
guy. That's what I want to see. Yeah, js N nine percent
40:59
And that makes sense because he's got stacks there, but just at a curiosity,
41:01
I wanted to see that. And then also the running back situation,
41:05
like you said, nobody, nobody was playing him. I'm curious. Actually,
41:09
if you go, what's the best way to do this now running back
41:15
by price, I think you can look at it. Jerck McKinnon got to
41:21
eight percent, seven percent ownership, so he did get some some ownership and
41:25
there he ended up getting twelve points. But yeah, not it didn't fool
41:28
many in this field. So that's one thing just to note and see.
41:31
Was there anything else that you guys wanted to look at here? Anything the
41:35
chat you guys wanted us to have a look at. I'm just trying to
41:37
see. I do want to bring up one more thing about the McKinnon.
41:38
So, like, it's interesting that he got to seven percent in this field,
41:43
but in the twenty dollars million maker he got to almost eleven percent,
41:45
So like that just shows you more people reacted in the in the twenty dollars,
41:51
but the sharper higher stakes players still stuck with the Clyde Edwards. Yeah,
41:55
that's a good point to bring up too. That's what I was saying
41:57
answer, and that is, you know five percent higher. So it's you
42:00
know, seven to twelve is quite the difference on that. But it's like
42:04
you said, many people, what was the Okay, what's the delta?
42:07
Then you've got it up there. What's the delta on Cech? Instead?
42:10
What what did Cech get to him? So Clyde came in at twenty one
42:15
percent in the twenty dollars, so more people jumped off of Clyde onto McKinnon,
42:20
whereas in this contest of five point fifty five not many people jumped on
42:24
McKinnon and people just stayed on Clyde. Yeah, so there you go that.
42:29
I expected that obviously, you know, one one to one you expect
42:31
that, but would say you still like you got to see it to make
42:35
sure because I'm just curious. I sometimes people are playing more of a guy
42:37
or not because the field size and more people that would just have interest in
42:40
it, chiefs, fans, things like that versus did people actually panic and
42:44
move? And that's the thing. So, yeah, we chatted about this,
42:49
and discord Nick said to you, I talked about a plenty on the
42:51
shows. I did not see that there was game stacks and stuff that I
42:54
thought he could make sense and if you were running like the Allen side of
42:58
the stack. You expect Buffalo to get up and then maybe Kansas City reverts
43:01
from the original game plan, but I thought it would be the same,
43:05
and then they usually like to hang on to McKinnon to keep him healthy down
43:07
the stretch. I don't think one thing I wanted to look at was Giant
43:10
Squid. This is one of those things that only so many will get from
43:15
anybody watching this show. She get I'll say, rough day. He had
43:17
an incredible day. Awesome dude as well, and great day for him and
43:21
everybody over there. But he came second in the two hundred and fifty dollars
43:25
million maker with a million up top the Fan Online Championship on Fan Duel,
43:30
and then came forth here and I'm sure he had a great again overall.
43:32
I know he made great money and had a wonderful day, But only those
43:36
that play heavily enough to understand the difference of you know, winning one hundred
43:39
or two hundred K, but being millions short of what you could be versus
43:44
the other. But congrats to Giants Squid. This was his lineup here.
43:47
He had similar to what we looked at earlier, but I showed this off
43:52
a couple of weeks ago with one of my lineups. I liked lineups like
43:55
this. I really liked the setup here of Lamar ze Odell, likely maybe
44:01
one more than we thought, but again, you can get away with it.
44:04
We just saw it. But I like the secondary setup of Rashad White
44:08
with Drake London and Bijon. He's really just targeting two game scripts here,
44:14
a good playing Kamara who that's what we'll talk about in a second Kamara,
44:17
and then Minnesota. But Tyler, I'll kick this one to you. It's
44:20
another onslaught. But it's also like I don't know if anyone has a name
44:24
for this out there yet, but it's like the it's like the boosted secondary
44:29
stack where instead of just going Rashad White with one guy, you pick up
44:34
multiple pieces with no quarterback in the other game, just to say, look,
44:37
it's in a dome. This is a tougher slate. There's weather out
44:40
there. I feel good about these guys. Let me get enough pieces.
44:44
I know people did it with Indy Cincy this week too. I saw a
44:47
lot of people with like Zach Moss, Pittman and Mixing or something like that
44:54
or along those lines, we saw a couple of weeks ago with mixing Chase
44:58
and one guy from the other side, So give me your thoughts on this
45:00
one here, Tyler giants Quit, another amazing player, another huge day,
45:05
just didn't get to the top of either, but very close to both,
45:07
which is always close. Yeah, I mean, he was right there.
45:10
The one thing I would say is Lamar isn't a guy that generally passes for
45:15
you know, three hundred and fifty plus yards, and that's kind of what
45:20
you need if you're going to go with that kind of mega four man stack.
45:25
And you know, unfortunately this one didn't get for him, get him
45:30
there, but he was very close. And I really do like the other
45:35
side of the game or other side of the stack with Tampa and Atlanta.
45:40
I was, you know, a lot higher on Bijon once Vita Bay was
45:45
out for Tampa. Just let's their their rushdie, you know, down so
45:52
much not having them him there and for sixty five hundred and the workload that
45:55
he's been getting. I really thought that play was pretty good and going a
46:00
little under owned, just like Rashad White was. Yeah, that definitely made
46:05
sense from the Bejon side of things, and The other thing about Beijeon we
46:07
talked about on the show yesterday is there was just no like you had the
46:10
situation set up of Moss cmc cech maybe mixing late steam, which did end
46:16
up coming true, and then like how does a guy like Bijon crack fifteen
46:21
percent at that point or some of the other guys in that range. You
46:24
just kind of knew there was going to be natural volume guys. Oh and
46:28
Camara. Don't forget Abou Kamara. We talked about two who will will go
46:31
more on that in a second, but definitely interesting from that perspective, it's
46:35
tougher to get there with this. The nice part is Baga Hia Giant Squid
46:38
is one over on FanDuel. It was another Saber sim member that that won
46:43
Elusive Smoke, a great player in his own right that got the job done
46:45
to beat him and edged him out. And here it was like no chance,
46:47
Like even if he makes the swap from Zay Flowers and says enough is
46:52
enough with these two and gets what did that? What did Garrett Wilson score?
46:58
I think he was fifty six hundred and got twenty four or something like,
47:00
okay, sure it pops him up another one hundred k, but not
47:02
even close to the top. Luckily, hithbu blew out the field, so
47:06
you don't feel as bad about this one. So there is that. And
47:08
then on the other side, another member over there won for them, so
47:12
again, congrats to those guys. But just in general, Nad's you said
47:15
you want to talk a little bit about Kamara. I sat off the top
47:19
of the show. I feel like, literally, I swear I think this
47:21
is true. I'm not making this up. I think Kamara had thirteen points
47:24
in the first half and then ended with thirteen and a half. So maybe
47:29
I'm wrong on that. Someone can correct me out there. But it was
47:31
pretty tough to watch. After the fact, I thought it was gonna be
47:34
a much bigger day. And that's why if you remember Naids last week when
47:37
Tyreek Hill goes off on the first run of the game, like the first
47:40
setup of the game, and everyone's like, oh, we got there already,
47:44
and I was like, we did not get there. We did not
47:45
get there. That's what he needs to do. Eighty two hundred not quite
47:50
the same price tag as ninety two hundred dollars Tyreek last week, but still
47:53
or ninety six, but it's still up there. So what was your thoughts
47:57
on Kamara on this site the way things worked out? Yeah, I mean
48:00
Camaro, I mean he was chalk for a reason. He's thirty three percent
48:04
owned in the contest with the best players in the world, right, five
48:07
point fifty five entry best players in the world. I mean it was the
48:10
Carolina is terrible against running backs, right, There's the no Taysom Hill,
48:14
there's the Derek Carr check captain check down. Right, So like it was
48:17
just a game script that just didn't for whatever reason, go Kamara's way.
48:22
I mean, like you said, he had thirteen points in the first freaking
48:24
half, first quarter and then just doesn't do anything after that. He still
48:28
got five targets and twelve carries. But I mean, I'm gonna play that
48:31
play again, just like I played Zach Moss again this week. Right,
48:36
you can't be results oriented in spots like this. I mean you see some
48:38
of the best players in the world, like looking at Giant Squid's ownership here
48:44
from the running back position. I mean camaraw was he went. He played
48:49
all the chalk. He had thirty five percent, mixing thirty five percent Tomorrow
48:52
thirty thirty eight percent Zach Moss, and he picked one play Rashad White to
48:57
get over the field on. So, like that's where you talk about all
49:00
the time. Dam Well, it's not about who you play, it's about
49:01
how you play them. Like there's not an X button or a lock button,
49:06
right, you talk about that all the time. And your optimizer you
49:07
can match the field or goes slightly underweight or slightly overweight the field on chalk,
49:13
Guys, they're talk for a reason, especially at the running back position.
49:15
It's not like wide receiver chalk where there's three other wide receivers that are
49:20
on the line in four wide receiver sets, things like that that are competing.
49:22
I mean Zach Moss was getting all the work, Kamara getting all the
49:25
work with no Taysom Hill. Mixon has always been the guy there in a
49:30
good game environment right for Shad White, gamescript independent, right passing game,
49:34
when they're playing from a head, he's the guy. So he went in
49:37
on that. So, like, that's the takeaway from that piece that I
49:40
want to bring up is don't be results, aren't s oh Kamara eighty two
49:44
hundred. He didn't get there, he failed, blah blah, blah,
49:45
like he had plenty opportunities to get there, and so did Zach Moss.
49:49
Zak Moss had what ten touches inside the five again or something like that,
49:53
and just didn't score a touchdowns. So that's that's the one point I want
49:57
to bring up. Yeah, it can go both ways, and then other
50:00
guys in bad matchups can get there. It's just that That's why I ignore
50:02
that stuff quite a bit and talk about that often, just because in general,
50:07
the thing is like, you know, you just don't know how a
50:09
game's gonna go. We talked about weather opportunities and situational stuff that you'll see.
50:13
This is tis the season. I thought Title made an incredible point on
50:16
that yesterday, where you know, you can pick a side and you could
50:21
say it goes both ways. The deacon still get some luck because some slips
50:23
and some tips and things like that. It can definitely work both ways.
50:25
It kind of is a fifty to fifty spot. But remember that he said,
50:29
the guy on offense knows where he's going for his route. The guy
50:32
on offense that's running the ball knows where the guys in front of him are
50:36
moving. Two on his O line to go behind them or get in the
50:38
way where somebody else doesn't necessarily know it that they could slip, fall,
50:42
make a mistake, do all that. So I really thought that was just
50:45
something that you could see that stuff go both ways, you know, all
50:47
all the times. Let's see what Jordan said here, new one says not
50:52
a knock, Just very curious on the moss sing in with him getting bumped
50:55
all the way up to five and his workload being there but not producing,
50:59
why was he chalk everything you just said. Five point nine k is not
51:02
very expensive for a starting running back. It's all how you look at it.
51:06
But again he got all the touches. Again, I think it's now
51:08
it's like nine or somewhere. I could be way off. Might be twelve
51:12
actually carries inside the five over the last two weeks. It might be nine
51:15
also I'm wrong, I could be wrong, but it's definitely almost ten or
51:17
more that he's been getting opportunities. My just big takeaway on that was what
51:22
I tried to say earlier, like, it's not the field is forty nine
51:27
percent on him. It's not flop flag that you were hoping for, Like
51:30
you were just playing a good spot. Again, Taylor was out the matchup
51:34
was fair. It's a great spot to get after it. He got the
51:37
workload again, he played all the snaps, he got the opportunities. He
51:38
didn't get there. He could have done a bunch way of a twenty yard
51:42
TV called back as well on a hold like lots more could go your way
51:45
if you don't like him. There was other ways that you could go about
51:49
it, and a lot of people did it with the mixing, hence the
51:51
late steam on mixing. But just going back to Giant Squid's stuff here,
51:55
like if you go look quarterback way over on Jake Browning played the never Mahomes.
52:01
That's fine, heavy on Wilson Baker didn't get to Ritter here, So
52:07
I didn't see that. Obviously, we showed earlier our stack rankings. Liked
52:12
both those guys in that game, and that's kind of why I went after
52:14
it. The Dome game, you saw some opportunity there. But this was
52:16
interesting only seven percent Lamar, but really like the Beckham play twenty seven and
52:23
a half percent Tyler. He was still in on Beckham. You think that
52:28
was just like thirty I mean, thirty eight hundred bucks is still a fair
52:30
price for this guy. Maybe he knows ball and thought something to the other,
52:34
but he was save for sims. I'm pretty sure he's going off what
52:37
the sims are saying. I wonder what your thoughts are on why Odell got
52:39
such a big boost, because obviously with only seven percent Lamar, he played
52:43
a ton of Odell outside of those those lineups. Yeah, I mean,
52:49
my guess there is just total volume play thirty eight hundred, super cheap,
52:52
and he's going to be in the game a ton for the Ravens, and
52:58
if that game goes, he's going to get some targets just matters if he
53:01
gets a deep one like he did so that that would be my guess is
53:06
just low owned and val you know, value play that's going to be on
53:09
the field a lot. Yeah. The one other thing that stood out to
53:13
me, I saw getting aids your thoughts in a second. But played almost
53:15
thirty percent of a more expensive defense played almost twenty percent Kelsey at seventy eight
53:22
hundred played a bunch of eighty six hundred dollars Keenan Allen. So remember too,
53:27
It's like again people always wonder like how does this work out? Like
53:29
it has to still add up. It's a salary based game that we play.
53:32
It's definitely the possibility that just based on some of that stuff too,
53:36
it would push more in as him of the better guys within that spot and
53:39
Aids. If you want to talk through it for a second, I'm gonna
53:43
try and see what I can find here, just for one more thing,
53:45
and then we'll get out of here. Yeah, that's the point that I
53:47
was going to bring up. I mean, I feel like you're in my
53:49
head, Tambo, but I just filtered by his salary and his exposures.
53:52
He was overweight the field on everyone except McCaffrey above seventy three hundred Williams.
54:00
He was overweight, Herbert Jamar, Chase, Mike Evans, Lamar Jackson,
54:05
Travis Kelce. He was almost double the field on that Mahomes. He was
54:09
almost double the field or triple the field on that Kamara. He was in
54:14
line, Keenan Allen. He was way overweight. So when you have all
54:17
those guys up at the top end that you want to go overweight on,
54:21
you have to have cheap guys. And not only that, the other point
54:23
I want to bring up is, let me see his Zay Jones. So
54:27
he still had so he still did have Zay Jones. That was the other
54:30
point I was going to bring up, because Jay Jones was the guy that
54:32
people were going to in that price range at thirty seven hundred. It just
54:37
so happened he went in on both Jay Jones and Odell Beckham because they fit
54:40
his roster construction. So that was the other point that I wanted to bring
54:44
up, because Jay Jones thirty seven hundred, he was getting steam right with
54:46
the no Christian Kirk thing there, you see some of the best players in
54:51
the world went in on Jay Jones, right, like Hishbu who had fifty
54:55
percent. Z Jones Giant squid kind of still went over the field, but
55:00
he split the ownership basically between those two obj and j Jones because they fit
55:04
the fit the roster construction. Yeah how much. That was the other thing
55:07
too, because Hishwu was really high on Jay Jones right when we looked at
55:12
it, he had fifty forty six point seven percent, and then his other
55:16
receivers he didn't use. He used a little. He went way underweight on
55:22
Mingo, which was another talking point to talk about. Mingo at thirty five
55:28
hundred came in at almost eighteen percent in this five point fifty five, So
55:34
leveraging up a little bit two hundred dollars to Jay Jones and three hundred dollars
55:37
to obij is another leverage play that they could have been looking at too.
55:42
They might have had a better read obviously on the Mingo ownership there, because
55:46
Mingo came in at almost eighteen percent in this five point fifty five where is
55:51
in the twenty dollars Millie maker Mingo came in at eleven percent, So again
55:55
difference between contest selection. The Sharper players were obviously on that Carolina game and
56:00
went with Mingo as the runback as a cheap piece who's been involved. So
56:05
that's another piece to touch on there. Yeah, I'm real quick because I
56:08
really like to call you just brought up that was the breakdown, Like if
56:10
you go from Zay Jones to that, that could make some sense as well,
56:14
just as a way to get natural leverage. But b Boss says this,
56:16
So I tried to find I'm gonna go to the fleet flicker. I
56:19
had one hundred and twenty in that yesterday, but it doesn't let you show.
56:22
And if you see here, I've played all my money I can promise
56:24
that in the FFWCQS. It did not go well, I did not qualify,
56:30
but it won't let you pull any of those up. So that's what
56:31
I'd spent my money on. Yesterday. I had four in the or I
56:36
had like four total in the twelve fifties and then played the four seventies as
56:40
well. So it was a rough day for your boy over there. Gave
56:43
some back after the huge week last weekend. But this was one of my
56:45
favorite lineups. I just found this one quick. My core was set up
56:49
with a Fields line up, but I talked about this one plenty on the
56:52
show yesterday, and this had the two v two and this really had everything
56:54
for whatever reason. Also there's stuff is busted, but you can see here
56:58
forty thousand, eight hundred. The last play in this lineup is CMC at
57:02
ninety two hundred dollars exact. So just to note it, but this one
57:06
I really love. Ritter London Pitts no run back, used the mixing Pittman
57:14
as opposed to the Moss chase that I talked about, had Camara Kamara with
57:20
Mingo and then it had the Chicago defense not playing anyone. There no Buffalo
57:24
Kansas City and with CMC to round it out. So this is like,
57:30
you guys know how I like to build my lineups. This one was probably
57:31
one of my favorites, and it didn't even do great. What would have
57:35
done like one sixty eight or something? I think, what did CMC get
57:37
twenty points? Yeah he got nineteen and change. I think, yeah,
57:44
undred point three. Maybe it's one hundred and sixty nine point night and whatever.
57:49
Nice. You know, you got that nice little one sixty nine and
57:51
then the setup here needs is pretty usual for me. But it had a
57:55
lot of what I talked about yesterday. It had a lot of what I
57:59
was going through. Ming was in the Tidbits, Pits London, Desmond Ritter,
58:04
we're in the Tidbits. I talked about the two v two switch.
58:07
Obviously, Kamara became a much better play and made sense across from Mingo.
58:10
When you're not playing any of the Detroit guys and you're not on the other
58:15
stuff, you can go to Chicago defense there Na, Do you have any
58:16
thoughts on this one before we get out? Yeah, I have thoughts.
58:20
You'd be used the stack rankings to help you build this, because you can
58:22
build this same line up directly from the stack rankings right the McCaffrey play Okay,
58:28
Brock, party's the second highest stack on our site, which obviously if
58:30
you played that stack you were pretty happy there. Whether you did it with
58:35
Kiddo or Debo, you were pretty happy. But since you weren't doing that,
58:37
you threw in the McCaffrey Desmond Rinder of London pits right there. The
58:40
third stack you scrolled on. Who's the first wide receiver for the Panthers?
58:44
That pops up Jonathan Mingo in there. You're not on the Bengos right with
58:50
the with the mix and play the Colts right first wide receiver right there,
58:54
Pittman, I mean you can build that whole lineup right off the stack ranking.
59:00
Then that just goes to show you we stand behind our tools that are
59:02
on the site, ourselves building it. I mean, it's just just goes
59:07
to show. Yeah, anybody who saw it in the same plan yesterday,
59:09
Browning, ridder Fields, Brock. I mean a lot of these guys were
59:13
up there. Lamar was the one guy I went off the board on,
59:15
but I think it looks at shows others did as well. That Again,
59:17
sometimes you have to make some so like that that's the final point going and
59:21
I'll let Tyler give your final thoughts. But you know you said it too,
59:24
like golf way down the board. I thought Chicago d made a lot
59:27
of sense at twenty four hundred dollars if you're not going to any of this
59:29
stuff anyway, and I was going to it in my fields lineups, I
59:32
wasn't. I said, you don't have to run them all back, but
59:35
if I did, I liked a Manra or Monty in the game there,
59:38
and that was the setup. But I was using all these guys up here.
59:42
Two of the plays, though again you have to kind of think through
59:44
it more. Lamar was definitely one of them. I was using the angle
59:46
of the NFC matchup stuff at home. I thought it was a really good
59:51
spot. I was actually surprised the Rams put up as good of a fight
59:53
as they did. I thought we could see a blowout, but I remember
59:55
somebody has to cause the blowouts. We saw it again last night. Dak
1:00:00
continues to prove that when it happens Purty yesterday they crushed, but Purdy had
1:00:04
to go off first for them to get up for it to be a blow
1:00:07
out, and then the second one was the James Cook piece that I brought
1:00:08
up earlier, where obviously, again it's not gonna pop in your projections,
1:00:13
it's not gonna pop anywhere, but you could angle it from this perspective as
1:00:15
well. If it didn't like Josh Allen, I did. I used him
1:00:19
and Lamar as my two payoff options. But if you didn't like Josh Allen,
1:00:22
maybe you go with a guy like Zach, like Zach Moss the setup
1:00:28
of James Cook, sorry not Zack Moss because of that and because of the
1:00:31
other reasonings I said with Dalton knocks back and the opposite side of the Kansas
1:00:36
City guys and so on and so forth. So I think there's a lot
1:00:38
of things we could talk about there. Tyler, I want to say this
1:00:42
first before you give your final thoughts, just thank you so much to Linstar.
1:00:45
They're still gonna be sponsoring this show doing our ownership. But this is
1:00:47
Tyler's last show. This is our second last review show, so nads and
1:00:52
I'll be back next week and then it's Christmas and New Year's and the regular
1:00:55
season wrapping up, so this will be the second last review show of the
1:00:59
season. And I should have reminded you off the top. I just want
1:01:00
to say thank you so much to Tyler to line start. It's been a
1:01:04
lot of fun doing the show with you, my friend. Give us your
1:01:06
final thoughts and anything else you want to add there. Yeah, it has
1:01:09
been fun, fun season, fun show, So thank you for having me
1:01:14
on. One of the things I would say going back to your lineup,
1:01:16
it's one of the points that we've hit a couple times throughout the season,
1:01:22
is when you have that stack that is different, it doesn't matter where else
1:01:27
you play. You can fill in that chalk Kamara mix and you know Pittman
1:01:31
fourteen percent in some super chalk Mingo was a chalkier you know, value piece.
1:01:38
All that doesn't matter. And you know CMC, as you said,
1:01:43
is also in this lineup. Doesn't really matter because you're already different enough with
1:01:46
Ritter pits London altogether. So I like how you built it. London had
1:01:52
a great game. Had he thrown one more touchdown to London, you know
1:01:59
it would have your stack would have went absolutely nuts, and he absolutely had
1:02:01
the chances to do that. Yeah, it would have been a lot better
1:02:05
if he threw Just like That's why I said I was never I wasn't super
1:02:07
worried even when in Djoku got his second, because I was like, I
1:02:10
know a lot of people didn't play Flacco, So I was like, pits
1:02:14
already had got me one. It was like a thirty six hour touchdown or
1:02:15
whatever. I was like, if he could get one more to Pitts,
1:02:19
I'm gonna double up in this spot and then maybe I can get a little
1:02:22
bit more. Pittman missed the bonus by like five yards. This is results
1:02:25
oriented. I'm just saying what you said is so true, and that's the
1:02:29
difference. People were like, oh, so you played all the chalk No,
1:02:30
like even when you plug them in, Yes, it's a little bit
1:02:32
chalkier. But the point is is like when you have a nine percent and
1:02:36
eight percent and a three percent plus some correlation stuff that's unique to the field,
1:02:40
I think that you can still get it. Like, again, how
1:02:44
many people had Kamara and Mingo? Probably more When you look at how many
1:02:46
people had someone with Kamara, it was likely to be Mingo, But how
1:02:51
many people had this with no Zach Moss, no Ceh and nobody from that
1:02:57
Buffalo Kansas City game entirely, and so on and so forth. With a
1:03:00
Ritter pits like just nobody really, So that's kind of where you get.
1:03:05
You've got yourself out of being pinned into a corner, into a lineup that
1:03:07
still has a way to find its way to the top. Again, Tyler,
1:03:10
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targets. You can see all that very easily. And the app when you're
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on the go obviously, especially now with the holidays, we're all going to
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be traveling, dealing with family, whether you like it or not, screen
1:04:00
kids, stuff like that. Obviously, there's still dfs, there's football and
1:04:02
NBA this year on Christmas going on, and they got an app that's very
1:04:06
easily mobile friendly. I use it a ton for the NHL product. I
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talk about that a ton in our Discord chat pumping up line Star. So
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I've been a line Star subscriber for many years. Love the product that you
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put out. So it's been awesome jumping on with you, Tyler, appreciate
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you jumping on and for everyone else in the chat, we'll be back next
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week. But go back in and watch these shows and just learn, learn
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different different pieces that we bring up, because this is how you come better
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player. It's all about building a process and sticking to a process and remolding
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that process to continue to adapt with the field, which obviously all the best
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players in the world. There's a reason Hitchbou continues to be a profitable player
1:04:47
because he constantly I'm sure reviews lineups goes through this. Obviously, Tambu's had
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great success this year. This is a massive part of his process. And
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I learned a ton from Tambule and that's why I I love doing the show
1:05:00
with him. So we appreciate everyone for sure. Definitely. I don't know
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what works for you, But like I say, for me, I've got
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a process. I talk about it plenty over at ship it Nation. We
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do all these shows for free, breaking it down even further. So if
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you're not a member, it's great. You can still just watch these shows.
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Like Nate said, you can go back with these review shows and they're
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evergreen in the sense it's just applying process to what we see and sort of
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getting ideas and getting thought process that you can use to make your own.
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We talk about it all the time. Don't join ship it Nation if you're
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looking to be yo, gimme hoops picks like if you want to use those
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as a guideline, I understand it or tambos slate plan, it's you should
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use that, read it and get ideas for yourself. But as we said
1:05:38
right here in the tweet today, nobody can guarantee you winners. But if
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you want to join a community of like minded individuals that are all out to
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help each other well understanding the ups and downs of DFS. Ship it Nation
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is the place to be. Over six hundred thousand dollars in community wins yesterday,
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and that's just the big dogs that we're throwing in the tweet. It's
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probably a lot more someone out of that comment. There's tons more in the
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discord. The community is alive and well and kicking, so check it out.
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to make something that you can repeat with. It's what I'm trying to say
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there, just so you can actually go out and do your own thing.
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You don't know, like in some case when you're just following someone you're just
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hoping they win all the time. That's not always the case. So you've
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