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Breaking Down the Big Week 10 Games · NFL explained.

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  Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
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  Speaker 2: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the six.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Bucky Brooks today stepping in for Brian Baldinger and
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  Speaker 3: Daniel Jeremiah. It's the one and the only, Acetown's Finest.
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  Speaker 3: We're not talking about Paul Weezy Paul Wall. We're talking
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  Speaker 3: about Lance and z Lance.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on?
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  Speaker 1: What's up?
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  Speaker 2: Buck?
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  Speaker 4: How are we doing?
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  Speaker 2: Man? We're good. You know, we chilling. You know how
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  Speaker 2: it goes. How's everything with you?
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  Speaker 4: It's good?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I'm digging in on my tape
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  Speaker 1: and I got the call from the bullpen. They said
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  Speaker 1: the Dodgers needed another art as Dave Robertson run through
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  Speaker 1: the entire bullpens.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's hard when you when you back to back,
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  Speaker 2: it's hard.
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  Speaker 1: I said, step in and give you that Clayton Kershaw
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  Speaker 1: real quick and try to step in and see what
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  Speaker 1: I could do.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 3: Just make sure we're not probably betting on the first pitch,
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  Speaker 3: so you don't go it in the dirt. Be sure
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  Speaker 3: we keep it just keeping above board. Lances. We're talking
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  Speaker 3: about the news and everything that's going down.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 3: The New York Giants, let go of Brian Dayball. Today
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  Speaker 3: some would say let go party ways fired. However you
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  Speaker 3: want to say it, that's what happened. And man, you
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  Speaker 3: talk about a guy who was coach of the Year
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  Speaker 3: a few years ago, did a great job in twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty two, got those that team to the playoffs. But
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  Speaker 3: three plus seasons twenty forty and one team decided wanted
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  Speaker 3: to go in a different direction. Right now, Mike Kaffka,
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  Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator, will take over as the interim head coach,
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  Speaker 3: and away we go.
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  Speaker 2: The carousel is spinning already.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, it looked like there was a
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  Speaker 1: chance once once Dark and Scatterbow were doing what they
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  Speaker 1: were doing early on, you know, I kind of thought, well, maybe,
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  Speaker 1: you know, this may turn into a few more wins.
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  Speaker 1: It was an exciting team to watch. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: since that win against the Eagles, that's surprising, seventeen point
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  Speaker 1: win at home against the Eagles, it's been four straight losses.
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  Speaker 1: Some of them have been competitive, some not as much.
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  Speaker 1: But I think, you know, once you start stacking these losses,
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  Speaker 1: Buck two and eight, he didn't have a whole lot
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  Speaker 1: of leeway even coming into the season, so I think
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  Speaker 1: that the next question is going to be does Joe
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  Speaker 1: Shane make it out? I think that's the next question asked.
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  Speaker 1: Do they do a is it a clean sweep with quarterback?
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  Speaker 1: I mean with you know, head coach and general manager?
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  Speaker 1: Or are they going to let Joe. I think they'll
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  Speaker 1: let him stay. It looks like he had a pretty
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  Speaker 1: good draft. I mean, Jackson darts a lot better than
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  Speaker 1: I expected him to be. To be honest with you, Buck,
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  Speaker 1: He's got a little mentality to him that I think
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  Speaker 1: could lead to him being a pretty good quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: So I think Shane may it another year.
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  Speaker 1: But we'll see, because you know, a lot of times
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  Speaker 1: teams like to make the clean sweep, but because they
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  Speaker 1: just drafted a quarterback, you know, it is buck. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of time it's head coach, GM and quarterback all
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  Speaker 1: in the same year.
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  Speaker 4: But that obviously won't be the case this year.
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  Speaker 1: I think Dave Balls a pretty good coach, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just he never sustained anything. He had that one year
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  Speaker 1: where Daniel Jones looked like, hey, maybe Daniel Jones is
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  Speaker 1: a guy that gave Daniel Jones good money. Daniel Jones
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  Speaker 1: wasn't the guy and Dave Ball just just couldn't get
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  Speaker 1: it done and just never sustained. He had that one
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  Speaker 1: good year and it just didn't sustain after that. So
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  Speaker 1: not a complete surprise other than you know, I thought
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  Speaker 1: he might get a finish out the year. But in
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  Speaker 1: this day and age, nothing should surprise you. It's just
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  Speaker 1: you know, you going the middle of the year. You
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  Speaker 1: going to the middle of the year. That's the way it is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is the way it is. That he cycled
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  Speaker 2: through coordinators.
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  Speaker 3: You know, some would say Wing Martindale did a really
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  Speaker 3: good job for them on defense, got rid of him
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  Speaker 3: and Winks guys brought his own guy in Shane Bowen.
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  Speaker 3: The defense has been okay, but it certainly hasn't played
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  Speaker 3: to the level that they play that Underwink. They've had
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  Speaker 3: four games this year where they live by ten or
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  Speaker 3: more points on the road and they've lost all four
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  Speaker 3: of them.
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  Speaker 2: And so when you.
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  Speaker 3: Get that, and you know, the people are frustrated and frustrated,
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  Speaker 3: somebody has to be the sacrificial lamb. And unfortunately for
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  Speaker 3: Brian day Ball, who did do a really good job
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  Speaker 3: with Daniel Jones early, I mean, look, he's the one
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  Speaker 3: to go.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 3: The interesting thing is Jackson Dart, Cam Scataboo and Elik Neighbors.
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  Speaker 3: They were only together for like a quarter and a half,
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  Speaker 3: but you could tell the energy and the juice that
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  Speaker 3: they brought and so you feel like there's some pieces
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  Speaker 3: in place for the next guy. But I'm gonna be honest,
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  Speaker 3: it's the fourth time for Jackson Dart that he's been
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  Speaker 3: in protocol. All those haven't been diagnosed as concussions, but
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  Speaker 3: you know how theything goes. You start having a few
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  Speaker 3: of them, you just wonder long term viability. But look,
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  Speaker 3: he looked like he had the juice and the spark
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  Speaker 3: and he was giving them something. So it'd be interesting
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  Speaker 3: to see one how they finished the season. Two the
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  Speaker 3: direction they go when it comes to the next coach.
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  Speaker 3: Who wants to be the guy that takes on that
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  Speaker 3: job with that quarterback that's in place because the quarterback
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  Speaker 3: is there.
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  Speaker 2: So you get the quarterback like it or not.
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  Speaker 3: You get Scataboo coming off an injury, and you have
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  Speaker 3: Elak Neighbors also coming off injury. So you have some pieces,
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  Speaker 3: but those pieces have some damage to be interesting to
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  Speaker 3: see who takes that job, who wants that job?
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  Speaker 1: You know it feels like a pretty good job, I
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  Speaker 1: mean on the surface, but Scataboo's coming back.
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  Speaker 4: From a really tough injury. Elak Neighbors.
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  Speaker 1: We know, acl tear you start when you start talking
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  Speaker 1: about being in in you know, a protocol or being
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  Speaker 1: observed in the middle of a game for a potential
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  Speaker 1: head trauma. That does and especially for a quarterback who's
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  Speaker 1: not afraid to get out of the pocket and you know,
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  Speaker 1: try to get some tough yards. That's something that you
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  Speaker 1: find out pretty quickly. I can't do all this college
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  Speaker 1: football stuff. This has got to be your livelihood and
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  Speaker 1: your importance to your team as a quarterback supersedes any
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  Speaker 1: kind of of ego that you may have, especially in college.
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  Speaker 1: No one slides in college. Everyone's kind of expected. Quarterbacks
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  Speaker 1: are going to take on the contact and pros. You're
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  Speaker 1: expected to slide unless you absolutely are trying to get critical.
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  Speaker 4: Years, you know, and that's and I'll be honest.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think Jackson Dark has the kind of
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  Speaker 1: swagger that you have to have in New York. He's
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  Speaker 1: got the kind of confidence. I mean some of that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it kind of made me laugh, some of
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  Speaker 1: the trap house stuff he in Scataboo were doing. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I laugh, But at the same time, he's got that
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  Speaker 1: like that's real.
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  Speaker 4: You can see it.
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  Speaker 1: I saw it on the field of the combine. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you don't know how it's going to translate. Like, just
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  Speaker 1: because you have that doesn't mean you're going to be
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  Speaker 1: a quarterback. But if you've got some ability and he's
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  Speaker 1: an accurate quarterback he has. He's a pretty average arm
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  Speaker 1: but he's an accurate passer and he's not afraid of
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  Speaker 1: the moment. He's not afraid of the situation. He's got
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  Speaker 1: tremendous He's a tremendous competitor with a lot of confidence.
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  Speaker 4: And that's something you have to have in New.
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  Speaker 1: York because if you don't and it goes sideway, you
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  Speaker 1: can't get out the media, the fan base will roll
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  Speaker 1: downhill on you. And so you have to have the
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  Speaker 1: right coach for that market. You have to have the
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  Speaker 1: right quarterback for the market. They might have gotten the
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  Speaker 1: right quarterback right, but as you mentioned, as we see
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  Speaker 1: with the Commanders and Daniels, quarterback health is just not
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  Speaker 1: a given.
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  Speaker 4: It's just not a given.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's not a given.
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  Speaker 3: And here's the thing that I say about Jackson Dart
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  Speaker 3: as we pivoted from Brian Dabel to Jackson Dard. I
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  Speaker 3: think the best quality that Jackson Dart has is his
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  Speaker 3: ability to connect.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like his teammates rock with him.
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  Speaker 3: I think some of that, as you say, trapout stuff
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  Speaker 3: that him and Scataboo have on top of the talent
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  Speaker 3: and the energy that they bring ingratiated themselves to the
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  Speaker 3: rest of the team. And I don't believe it's a
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  Speaker 3: coincidence that they played better when he was in the
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  Speaker 3: lineup and they were in the lineup and they had
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  Speaker 3: that thing rolling, I think a day ball. The tough
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  Speaker 3: thing for him is the decisions that he made when
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  Speaker 3: it came to the coordinator, particularly on defense.
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  Speaker 2: The defense couldn't hold on to it.
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  Speaker 3: You felt like the defense could be even more dominant
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  Speaker 3: than it's being given. I mean, man, if I tell
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  Speaker 3: you who they have on the front line, Brian Burns,
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  Speaker 3: Desha Lawrence, you have Kemeon Thibodeau, you have a dual Carter.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they have some hunters. So you would like
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  Speaker 3: to think that they could be able to do it.
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  Speaker 3: And when you look at the recipe for success in
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  Speaker 3: New York, that has been it solid play on offense,
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  Speaker 3: dominant defensively, led by a disruptive front line. Those pieces
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  Speaker 3: are in place, so the next coach has to build
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  Speaker 3: upon that and find a way to just put it
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  Speaker 3: all together so it can be a better product. And
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  Speaker 3: what is a very competitive division with the Eagles, the Commanders,
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  Speaker 3: and the Cowboys all kind of load to a talent.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I think when you think about the
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  Speaker 1: NFL job openings that are going to be out there
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  Speaker 1: this year, they're going to be you know, the Titans
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  Speaker 1: just seem like a really tough one, to be honest
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  Speaker 1: with you, But I think the Giants you just mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: I mean a lot of it's going to be based
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  Speaker 1: on health of that running back, health of that wide
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  Speaker 1: receiver that you mentioned previously. But there's there's some pieces
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  Speaker 1: to work with, Like you've got some pieces to work
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  Speaker 1: with over there. So I don't think it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be a job that I think there will be some
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  Speaker 1: pretty good coaches who are interested in that job. For
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  Speaker 1: day Ball. He's been a good play caller in the past,
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  Speaker 1: he's been a good coordinator of offenses. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be interesting to see whether or not he
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  Speaker 1: takes some time off or gets right back into it,
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  Speaker 1: because there will you know, there's gonna be there's always
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  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator positions open. I don't think he'll get a
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  Speaker 1: head coaching job, another pro job anytime soon. I think
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  Speaker 1: that's that ship may have sailed for him. But we'll see.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's interesting, but that's the news today. Brian
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  Speaker 3: dayball out as New York Giants head coach nine seventy one,
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  Speaker 3: six and eleven, three and fourteen, and in two and
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  Speaker 3: eight before he is pink slipped out the speaking out
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  Speaker 3: the door Lance, I had the rundown and all this order.
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  Speaker 3: But because you're the representative, U bun be so many
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  Speaker 3: other Houston dignitaries in the building yesterday at that game
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  Speaker 3: where the Houston Texans come back against the Jacksonville Jaguars,
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  Speaker 3: is twenty nine to ten, one minute left in the game,
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  Speaker 3: and then h Town issues a beatdown or takes advantage
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  Speaker 3: of a meltdown, however you see it and find a
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  Speaker 3: way to win. Just give me your thoughts because I
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  Speaker 3: know in Houston, I know the votes have been circling
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  Speaker 3: around the offensive coordinator and what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: Just tell me what you saw.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, You know, it's interesting because there was so much
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  Speaker 1: expected of the Houston Texas this year and they've and
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  Speaker 1: it's failed to materialize. And there was a lot of
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  Speaker 1: hope that a new offense coordinator of the Fans wanted
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  Speaker 1: Bobby slowly gone. And I would argue that it's actually
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  Speaker 1: worse this year than it's been in the past. They
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  Speaker 1: can't get a yard a short yardage when they get
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: inside the three yard line. I mean, they can't get
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  Speaker 1: it in from first and goal at to one. It's
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  Speaker 1: been a massive issue for this team. But I'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you no one ever quits on Demiico Ryans.
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  Speaker 4: Number one. The defense is I mean, it's an elite defense.
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  Speaker 4: You've got to take away hear it.
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  Speaker 1: On the back end, You've got you got some physical linebackers,
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  Speaker 1: and then you've got a rush that's an extremely potent rush.
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  Speaker 1: I think you can run the ball a little bit
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  Speaker 1: on them if you choose to, but for the most part,
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  Speaker 1: they swarm to everything. They really play hard. For Demico Ryans,
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  Speaker 1: it's just offensively, there just has never been that perfect
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  Speaker 1: connection between and they missed Joe Mixon a lot, but
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  Speaker 1: the running back, offensive coordinator, quarterback, offensive line, that combination
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  Speaker 1: is never fully You know, they didn't have the old
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  Speaker 1: line last year, and the coordinator and CJ, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: sure they always saw eye to eye. But the running
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  Speaker 1: back was great the rookie year. CJ was great, coordinator
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  Speaker 1: was good, offensive line was beat up. But they played okay.
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  Speaker 1: But you didn't have a running game. So now you
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: go into the Jacksonville game and you're missing your starting
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  Speaker 1: right tackle, your starting right guard. They pulled Trent Brown
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  Speaker 1: off the practice squad. He's been an NFL starter CD.
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  Speaker 1: So neither one of these guys who played a snap
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  Speaker 1: all year. They plugged them in against the Jacksonville team
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  Speaker 1: that put in work on them. The first game, and
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: you have no starting quarterback, you have no kicker, You're
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: starting kicker's gone, you're starting nickel corner, Jalen Petrie is out.
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  Speaker 1: And then you're down nineteen in the fourth quarner and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I'm trying to watch tape. I'll put
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  Speaker 1: this on in the background, but I got guys I
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  Speaker 1: got to write up, so I'm just listening like a touchdown. Okay, Well,
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  Speaker 1: let me just pop the video screen on here at
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  Speaker 1: let me watch a little bit of it. And what
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  Speaker 1: really stood out to me was that it's two things. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: a lot Davis Mills never gave up, never gave in.
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  Speaker 1: He was very he was played with a lot of poise.
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  Speaker 1: He's a guy who's been through adversity, Bucky, I mean
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  Speaker 1: he was he was five and nineteen going to that game.
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  Speaker 1: He went through the David Cully and Lovey Smith eraon
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  Speaker 1: Texans that was terrible. And so he's been through adversity
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  Speaker 1: his whole life, so it didn't really rattle him. What
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  Speaker 1: stood out to me is that that game is really
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  Speaker 1: over if Jacksonville has any confidence at all, and I
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  Speaker 1: think it starts at the quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: And honestly, you know, when you.
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  Speaker 1: Watch Trevor Lawrence, this is a guy who should be
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  Speaker 1: able to with all those traits, right, he should be
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  Speaker 1: able to shut the door on games way more frequently
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  Speaker 1: than he does.
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  Speaker 4: And it's just not happening. It's just not happening.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, he looks nervous at the most important
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  Speaker 1: you know, I had an interesting text exchange yesterday, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, the idea that he's the kid that doesn't
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't want the ball hit to him in the infield.
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  Speaker 4: He's the guy that doesn't want the shot, like I
• 13:49
  Speaker 4: hope MJ shoots.
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  Speaker 1: I hope you don't kick it up to me. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not trying to take this last shot.
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  Speaker 4: That shouldn't be who you are.
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  Speaker 1: If you're Trevor Lawrence, you should always want that big moment,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, it just doesn't.
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  Speaker 4: It's never materialized.
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  Speaker 1: And that defensive front against a beat up offensive line
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  Speaker 1: and a nineteen point lead. That should never be a
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  Speaker 1: game that you lose, and yet you did because Houston
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  Speaker 1: didn't give up and Jacksonville was just trying to hang
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  Speaker 1: on and just back into a win.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's so crazy, it's so surreal, men,
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  Speaker 3: and left in the game, you go up twenty nine
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  Speaker 3: to nineteen, You're looking at it and you're like, man,
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  Speaker 3: they're not enough possessions remaining in this game for them
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  Speaker 3: to be able to come back, like Jacksonville will have
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  Speaker 3: to offer up and then Lance When you look at
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  Speaker 3: the play sheet in the fourth quarter, so I think
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  Speaker 3: that Texans finished with sixty nine plays. They had thirty
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  Speaker 3: three plays in the fourth quarter. They had fourteen play
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  Speaker 3: drive eighteen play drive, I mean just two long extended drives.
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  Speaker 3: And it reminded me of the twenty eight to three
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  Speaker 3: game with the Falcons in the Patriots, where after a while,
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  Speaker 3: if your defense is on the field that long game
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  Speaker 3: pass rush mode getting they don't have anything.
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  Speaker 2: So by the time you got.
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  Speaker 3: To the end of the fourth quarter and they started
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  Speaker 3: running the ball, they started, man, you could push, you
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  Speaker 3: could tip them over with a feather like they were toast.
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  Speaker 2: It was. It was.
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  Speaker 3: It was a done deal. And you can sense it
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  Speaker 3: and you can feel it. And if you were in
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: the building, the building won. I didn't realize how loud
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: it gets in there, like when they're when they're kind
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: of putting it down like it it kind of got
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: louder and rockets in there.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like our listeners today on the radio,
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  Speaker 1: arned listeners were wondering if there was a noise being
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: piped in there, like how did so many people leave
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: and it's still so loud in there, Like.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, I know this, I know the sideline
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  Speaker 3: on the sideline, it was really loud.
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  Speaker 4: I'll say for okay, I got to get a call
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  Speaker 4: next time you're in town.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I got spots for you. I got to get
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: a call.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: Let you just keep it.
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: I know how you are though you probably just keep
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: it in a hotel, keeping a low profile.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: Well, we were at the Galleria, so we went to
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: Del Frisco's.
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, right across the street.
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: We went there, and you know, I got that the
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: Galleria still jumps. The younger me would have been all
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: over it. The older meat was like, oh lord, it's
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: a lot of folks up in this joint. And then
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: there's Joey's uptown which is right there too.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: So yeah, so it was cool.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: But I will say, man, the Texans defense is good
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: enough to get them back in the race. And because
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: Jacksonville didn't close the door on them now they messed
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: around and gave them life with c. J.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Stroud coming back.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: Whatever Demico has to tell them to get it done,
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: they certainly can get it done. Because daneil Hunter, I
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: think had four s acts on his own. You got
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: Will Anderson over there, Seldon Rankins was creating problems. And
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: when the secondary is fully back with Petrie Stingley lasted in,
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: those guys they're really good. They just got to figure
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: out a way to put some points up on offense
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: because they.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they got to take the threes in Tournament of
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: Seven's and that's been a problem all year long, and
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: and unless they do it, they won't they won't get
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: back into the hunt.
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: But this game, they got the Titans coming up.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: You expect them to go five and five, and then
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: you got the Buffalo Bills out after that, and that
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: can lead us into this Bills game.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Let's take a break right now and we'll be back
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: with more of the recap.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Listen, I would have said that Texas don't have a
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: chance against the Bills, even with the Bills coming into town,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: But after what I watched from Miami yesterday, I don't
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: know where that came from. If you were worried about
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: the team quitting on Mike McDaniel, not yet. They haven't
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: quit just yet. And I got to ask you, like,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: what is going Is this just a case of so
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: you lose Dalton Kinkaid, he gets hurt, he's out for
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: the game. It feels like they just they maybe made
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: a mistake by not targeting a wide receiver before the
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: trade deadline.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: I will say that the Buffalo Bills are funny because
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: they may be the quote unquote best team, but when
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: you look at the individual parts, I don't know if
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: you're wowed by anybody outside.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Of Josh Allen.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: If we really talk about like the blue chip players,
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: if we're talking about it from a scouting standpoint, who
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: are the guys that you're clamoring for on their roster
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: outside of Josh.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Allen and James Cook.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: James Cook is an upper echelon guy. Some people will
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: say Deon Dawkins could be in that conversation, but lams
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: who else? And so they are a team that plays
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: really well together. But they kind of remind me of
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: like a service academy, you know how you can see
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: the Service Academy.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: They can snatch down those good teams.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: But when they play like a Taunton State, Taunton Sate
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: be Army early in the year because Army didn't play
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: their A game. To me, I feel like the Bills
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: need to play their A game against everybody because they're
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: vulnerable and susceptible to lose to anyone. They can knock
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: off the Chiefs, but they just as easy can lose
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: to somebody else if they don't bring it. And against
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: Miami they didn't bring their best and they're not talented
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: enough to just roll out the balls and go win
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: the That's what stood out to me when I watched them.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not good enough defensively. You know, they haven't
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: been the same on defense since they lost their two
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: safeties to age. Basically, it's it's just it's not something's missing.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: You're right, Bucky, there's there's just something missing. Kean Klem
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: has never developed in any type of wide receiver one
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: they've got. They've got a variety. It's kind of like
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: having a fantasy football team where you've got a variety
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: of good but you're not sure to who to start,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: and so you end up, you know, end up leaving
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: points on the you end up leaving points on the
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: bench because you didn't start the right guy. Because there's
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: too many hard decisions. There's not a decision about who
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: to start here. But my point is, you're right something
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: you've got. You've got some good pretty goods to goods,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: but there's not enough greats and not enough difference makers.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: I think on this team, I think you hit that
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: dead on the head.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: And so if that's the case, you really can't afford
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: to have you can't just flip the switch. I thought, Buffalo,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: you know they're down sixteen and a half. I thought,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: can and they flip a switch. They could not swip
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: a flip a switch. They just couldn't do it. Now
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: haven't been able to do it really most of the year.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's crazy to watch because we love Josh
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: Allen's heroics, but in a game like that, I don't
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: know if he has enough with him to be able
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: to pull it off. Because he was running around and
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: doing his thing, and he had the numbers in the yards,
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: but he turned it over a few times and that
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: he just I don't know if he has enough dudes
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: with him. And so now I'm worried about them when
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: we talk about like title team, they still can't get
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: to Super Bowl. They still can do all the other
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: stuff and win it. But I think it's really imperative
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: for them. Man, every game they show up. Man, they
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: guys got to show out or they don't have a
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: chance to be able to get it done.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Speaking of showing.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Out, let's talk about this because I think this game
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: really set out to me. Pittsburgh LA Chargers Sunday Night game.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: There was a lot of intrigue in this one because man,
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: everyone respects Jim Harbaugh and the bullies that he tends
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: to build, but This was like the litmus tests. If
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: the charges are what they think they are, they'll be
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: able to take care of business against the Steelers, because
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: the Steelers are going to show you one way or
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: the other, are you rough and tumble or not. Charges
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: got it done, and he did it and what I
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: think is classic Harbor fashion.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I know exactly what you mean by that,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: because listen, it is a mess at the tackle position
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: for them. I really worry long term. I thought this
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: was a great win. You're going up against that rush,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: those edges with tackles who just frankly, you know, are
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: just have no business starting for a playoff caliber team.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: But of course they're there because of the injuries, and
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: they still win and win convincingly, and justin Herbert was
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: under duress, he was, but they ran the ball. I mean,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: what Harball did was say, we're not going to change
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: our identity.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: We're going to do what we do. We're not going to.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Make drastic changes to game plan because you know, we're
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: worried about protection. I think I think he did what
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: he needs needed to do from a philosophical standpoint, to
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: try and protect his quarterback as much as he could.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: But the fact is the team just came out there
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: and didn't let they didn't let the Steelers get off offensively.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: If you get behind and you're the Chargers and you
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: have Pittsburgh being able to pin their ears back knowing
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: you're passing, you're cooked, you're done well. I mean, the
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Chargers defensively stood up and showed out and they said,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: we're not going to let you get that lead, so
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: that we're going to be able to control how this
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: game flow goes. And I thought, and Na's classic hardball football.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I know exactly what you mean, because this game didn't
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: get away from him from a game flow standpoint. He
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: kept it right where he needed to so that the
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Steelers couldn't just pin their ears back, because that would
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: have been a real problem if had they been able
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: to do that with a ten point lead, for example.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, I think you just have to be
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: impressed with what you saw from the Chargers. I mean,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: from all of it, right, you saw a running game materialized.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Like you think, Hey, they don't have a Mario Hampton
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: and Lord Bow. They get Vidal and some other guys
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: to contribute and make the greatest You know what I mean,
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: You know you get them running the football effectively. You
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: see Lab McConkie make plays when they need plays in
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: the passing game. Keenan Allen Sessta record for the Chargers
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: in terms of like all time receiving leader, and then
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Justin Herbert just doing Justin Herbert stuff. Whatever they need
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: him to do, he can get it done. And as
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: you talked about that defense being able to hunt and
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: get after it. The thing about the Chargers, they kind
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: of remind me of those classic Alabama teams with Nick Sabin,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: had the heavy hitters on defense and it was defense
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: run game, kind of efficient playmaking, and you look up
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: and you felt like they dominated the game, but it
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: was like a twenty four to three beat down. I
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: felt like that game. Once they seize control, the score
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: is what the score is. But it never felt like
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: the Stealers were going to get back in the game.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: It always felt like the Chargers had their game under control.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, and I do wonder.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to say the Steelers are a paper Tiger,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: but this has not been an attack down the field defense,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I mean offense. This is one that there's a lot
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: of Deakin and Duncan by Aaron Rodgers. He doesn't throw.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: It's not the same pass concept we've seen in the past. So,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: you know, I think that I am curious to see
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: if they can get into a shootout and win in
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: a shootout against a good team. And it never materialized
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: because they just they couldn't find their offense. They couldn't
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: find they are missing. They're another team that's missing something offensively.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: I like Jalen Warren. He is he's a tough, versatile
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: running back, but he's not going to hit you with
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: a ton of explosives. DK Metcalf has kind of a
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: limited route tree. They're trying to do a lot of
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: you know, he's at his best old school Green Bay Packers,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers throwing a lot of you know, over outs,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: posts goes. But it's turned into a lot of catch
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: and run stuff. And that's not really what DK is
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: all about. That's not where he's that's not where he's
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: at his best.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Not at all.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: And you know, one of the things that I found
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: weird when they made the move and they were so
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: adamant about getting Aaron Rodgers, was I was like, well,
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: the deep ball is not in play, Like this is
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: a guy that doesn't want to get hit, so he's
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: not gonna hang in the pocket for a long time,
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: and they're not gonna be able to push you down
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: the field. So now you have a deacon offense with
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: vertical playmakers. So it's it's a it's a hodgepodge of
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: players that don't that don't match how you really want
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: to get down. I just don't know how that that
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: fits short term or long term. When we think about
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: how teams begin to really hone in on what you
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: do the second half of the season, they take those.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Things away, what are they gonna do, How are they
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: gonna fix it?
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: How they gonna find a way to be very productive
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: because you need the explosive plays to score points. Last,
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: they can't score points because they can't make the twenty
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: yard plus pass plays and they're not breaking off the
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: big runs. I don't know how they can efficiently put
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: enough points to deal with the heavyweights.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking at his average depth of target dk metcalf.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: It's it's his average depth of target is twelve point
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: one yards this year. It's the lowest of his whole career.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: It's been primarily fourteen one, fourteen, nine, thirteen, four, twelve seven,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: one year, fourteen one, fourteen one, and now he's down
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: to twelve one. That is just shows you there's a
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: lot of uh, there's a lot of throws that are
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: being made short for him, and he's a guy that
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: you got to let those legs stretch. Man.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: You got you got a.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Weapon that's made to be stretching the field vertically, and
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: they're just it's just not it's not happening.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: No, it's not happening. I don't know how, how is
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: how it's gonna how it's going to change. Then they
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: got a tough one coming up because about the Cincinnati
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Bengals on the horizon. Luckily they may not have to
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: face Trey Hendrickson because with that offense with Aaron Rodgers struggling, Yeah,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: I just I don't, man, I don't know how to
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: steal his bounce back. But they'll find a way to
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: kind of like be in that conversation. But man, this
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: was a game for them to kind of confirm their
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: standing with the heavyweights, and they took a step back.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: In my estimation, when it comes to.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: It, I want to go back the New England Patriots
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: knockoff the ten Bay Buccaneers twenty eight to twenty three.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Drake may Is continued to do Drake May things, and
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: I got to ask you, this man, remind me of
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: what you thought about Drake May when he was coming out.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: I was too close to the fire my allegiance to Carolina,
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: like wanting more from him. But you tell me what
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: you thought about Drake May when he was coming out,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: and is this diversion that you expected to see as
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: a pro.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Stage. I gave him a sixty five, which is a
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: boom bus grade, and I felt like he's the classic
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: boom bust player. And this is what.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: Is what I said, challenging evaluation with top flight.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Measurables and tools, but inconsistencies and create a lower floor
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: than some teams might be comfortable with his size and
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: arm talent, Jump off tape immediately there's another throw on
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: the field he can't make, but there are definitely throws
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: he will try that he shouldn't. The gunslinger mentality creates
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: fearlessness that can turn into interceptions, but also gives him
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: a chance to win in tight windows. YadA, YadA, YadA.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: There's an undeniable energy to May's game that can create
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: momentum or turn chaotic when players come off schedule. The
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: combination of traits and tape make them a boombus prospect
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: who may need a good situation and patient management and
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: slash coaching to help shepherd him towards his potential. I
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: did not expect to see what we saw this year
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: so far. I did not expect this. I think the
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: job that Vrabel has done should not be understated. I
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: think the patients that you know that's in the building
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: right now, with Elliott Wolf and ownership and whatever, they
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: were perfectly willing to wait on Drake to become that player.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: It's just it's happening way sooner. And I think a
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: lot of it gets to I talked about that energy
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: that is undeniable. He's got a level of confidence, you know.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: We talked about Trevor Lawrence has all this and that,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: but the confidence seems to be missing.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: Drake May has never been missing confidence.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: And you know, I always hesitate. Everyone wants to have
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: an inaccurate quarterback or guy who's missing throws be the
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: next Josh Allen. Just think it's going to get fixed,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: you know, because they're big and they got a big arm.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: The fact is he has made some real changes to
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: his game. And I didn't see this happening this quickly
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: with this team. Look at what he got out of
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: mc collins long throw. Mc collins went for one oh six.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: This is a guy who you know, he's a nice
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: wide receiver to have. But you got Stefan Diggs with
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: a touchdown, Kyle Williams one catch, seventy two yard touchdown.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: He's letting that the big dogs getting to eat and
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: that's what he needs. Men, he needs to cut it loose,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: and that's what's happening. But the other thing that happened
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: is the guy that I know, we both love, Trevon Henderson.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: What a big game for him. I've been waiting for
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: this breakout and this is what he's capable of adding
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: to a team.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: Remind me what you thought about Drake, because I.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Mean, it's very much it's very much the same.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Because so many people celebrated him, and I was like,
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: because I knew too much. One I was in school
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: right after his dad graduated, so I knew the dad,
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: and the dad was a great athlete, a legend back
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: where I'm from.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: And then you know the kid didn't play his last
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: year of.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: High school ball because of COVID, and then he sat
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: behind Sam Howell early and then he played two years,
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: so he didn't have a lot of experience when he
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: made his way to the pros. He comes to the Pros,
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: they threw him in right away, and whatever it was
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: last year, it was like in terms of dry Mayo,
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: that system, what they were trying to do.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: And so you're sitting there and he has all.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: The prototypical stuff that you look for in a new
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: school quarterback, big arm, size, athleticism, swag as you saw
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: him celebrate the Cam Newton thing when they played against him.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: He got all of that. But I just didn't know
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: how he's.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: Going to job with Job McDaniels, because I didn't know
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: if Josh could make it right for young quarterback. But
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: I think the thing that I underestimated was the Mike
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: Rabel factor, the connectivity that they have as a team,
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: Josh McDaniels trying to unlock some things, and how look, man,
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: and when you're a player and you play for a
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: smart coaching staff that sets you up to win the
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: masters situations, it just seems like it just all clicked
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: because this dude is playing at an MVP level, and
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: you can't deny it.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: You can't like it's him and Matthew Stafford and.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: John wants to say it. No one wants to say
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: it because no one feels comfortable saying Drake may MVP.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: But when you look at the wins and you look
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: at the stats, it's true. I mean it's just true.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: And they're a better team than Buffalo right now. I
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: mean they just are. Weekend and week out, they played
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: better football.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: I mean it'd be a really good Tampa Bay team. Yeah,
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: good in Tampa Bay team in Tampa that is. I
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: mean that is a big feather in the CA And Bucky.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I watched so a lot. Alonzo Heismiths, who is who's
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: up there in New England right now, is a longtime
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: friend and he was in town. Shout out to Zoe
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: who lost his wife very yeah and uh, and he
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: was in town in Houston for Game one, so he said, Hey,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: meet me up here at the sports bo let's watch
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: a game. So I watched the game against the Raiders
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: and it was rough. I thought, Man, New England, it's
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: got a long way to go. Drake's got a long
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: way to go. This this may be a you know,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: a three or four year pro three year process minimum
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: for him.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: That game was the outlier. Ever since that.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Game, it's been a completely different team and they didn't
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: play well in that game. But I think it's a
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: credit to Mike Rabell something you said about Rabel. You know,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I was thinking and Josh McDaniels. When you have when
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: a team has confidence that the head like they got
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: the they got the boss man, like Dan Campbell. You know,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: it's that feel where every one knows, we got our guy,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: our guy will take care of us.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: We're good.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: We know he's this is big Daddy, and he's got it.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I think Mike Rabel gives you some of that. There's
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: no concern about it. I wonder if this head coach
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. There's no concern with jos Josh McDaniels.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: For whatever you want to think about his personality, how
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: it ended in Denver and then he skipped out on
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Indianapolis or whatever. He's good with quarterbacks, he is, And
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I think that the entire team has clearly has a
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: belief in the people in charge so that they're able
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: to just focus on going out and doing their job
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: and I think they have a confidence that the guys
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: who run the show know what they're doing and have
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: them headed in the right direction, so all they have
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: to do is just lock in and play ball.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I think everyone they'll never admit it. In Tennessee.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: I think everyone underestimated how good of a coach that
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: dude is. And like Rabel, and then with Josh McDaniels,
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: I think, man, some guys are destined to just be
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: great in a particular role, and Josh mcdameels is great
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: in a role as a coordinator.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: So what do you think about that idea though? Of
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: Tennessee getting ready?
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: You know, when you know you I get the fact
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: that everyone gets frustrated and they want their pound of
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: flesh and they want to we just need to make
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: a change, Buck, I know you.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: Can go all the way back.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: I remember when Steeler fans wanted to get rid of
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Bill Kawer years ago, and Bill Cower was kind of
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: creeping around at five hundred mark and he wasn't and
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: then it turned into you know, Super Bowl with Bill
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Cower turned into the Steelers were never going to make
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: a quick change, or they were never going to make
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: a ration. They were always going to air on the
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: side of caution, and he ended up becoming, you know,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: a tremendous coach over there. Tennessee had the guy, they
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: had the guy, Mike Vrabel's a dude, And I get
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: that it wasn't you know, maybe the GM and head
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: coach thing wasn't perfectly a line.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: There, but look where they are now, Look where Tennessee
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: is now.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Wasn't work.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: I just think so many of the errors that we
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: make in our business are just ego things, like like,
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: hey man, let's get in the room and figure this
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: thing out one way or the other.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Let's hash this out. Let's try and find a way
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: to make this work.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: Because it was a good thing, and that good thing
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: is certainly rolling in New England. And I hate to
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: say it's funny man, because he's not Belichick, but it
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: has that BELICHICKI and feel in terms of they're just
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: a smart football team that doesn't beat themselves, and they
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: got a young quarterback that is playing at a high level.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens. Lance. I heard you pour dirt on them.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: You said it was over, and he was done, Like
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: we need Harbrough out of there. And all they've done
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: is reel off three straight wins. They knock off the
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Minnesota Vikings. They get a twenty seven nineteen win over
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: the Vikings, and looky, looky here right in the mix,
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: and people are saying they may be the team to
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: beat in the North.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Ravens.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Steelers lose, Ravens win, and here we are look good
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: and looking like you said, looky, looky.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: Pretty much everyone had them win in the North.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: I tried to fade that and say I got a
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: little two game head start when we did our NFL,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: you know, our mid season stuff. I said, I'm going
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: to put the Steelers because I'm going to take this
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: two game head start. Well, we don't have a two
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: game head start anymore. It's now one, and soon it
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: will be completely wiped out because they're playing defense again
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: and the return of Lamar Jackson obviously is huge, but
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: the defense coming back from the brink of disaster is
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: maybe a bigger story because that defense. I watched the
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Texans just roll through their defense and now they had
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: some injuries on defense, but that didn't look like a Ravens.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: It was the worst Ravens defense I've ever seen since
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: their inception is Ravens and they've actually been able to
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: right the ship. There's another one where the head coach
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: is just steady Eddy all the time, Harball and you
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: get your quarterback back. You got King Henry back there,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Zay is still Zay. You've got you know, Mark Andrews
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: when he's healthy, can play a little bit obviously still
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: and defensively you were able to get it back on track.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: I'm curious what the ceiling is for this team, because
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: I think they are going to win the AFC North.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: They have been, they were inconsistent before Lamar got hurt.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I am curious to see if they can play their
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: best football on both sides of the ball enough so
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: to compete in the AFC, which is you know, I don't.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's no Killers in the AFC this year.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I don't think. But there's still a lot of good teams.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's still a lot of depth over there
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: in the West. The Colts are are causing some real
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: problems for people, obviously with that offense, and you know,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I just think you don't. I don't know if New
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: England's ready. I don't know if New England's ready. The
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Bills don't look like they have that kind of team
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: right now. So why can't the Ravens jump up and say, hey, Tada,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: here we are Ravens and Chiefs back at the top again.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they can be right there now.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: I would say this.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: What gives them a chance is when you have the
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: quarterback and Derrick Henry, it allows them to control the game.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: We talked about game control and Harbor, Jim Harbaugh and
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: what they do with the Chargers. No one really wants
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: to deal with the Ravens in terms of having to
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: deal with Lamar Jackson in a one game deal where
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: he can explode and do that, and having deal with
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: the combination of Lamar and Derick Henry where they're running
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: the ball and controlling it and just dominating time of
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: possession is problematic. If they can continue to fix the
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: defense like they're doing, where they just don't give up
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: the explosives, don't give it, the big plays, the one
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: two drive to play touchdown drives, those are the things
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: that gives them a chance. They they're coming and we
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: talk about the best teams heading into the postseason are
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: playing their best ball December and they're beginning to kind
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: of find their way and kind of get back to that. Yeah, man,
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: it looks good and it looks like they're gonna be
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: the team that we thought they were going to be.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: It just took them aroundabout way to get there. For
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: the Minnesota Vikings, JJ McCarthy kind of came back to
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: earth a little bit. He didn't put a big numbers
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: the week before, but there was a buzz some energy
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: that he brought. He played against the big boys, and
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: the big boys kind of went out this time.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: Gotta remember he's a rookie.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, we can say he's not a rookie, but
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: this is a player didn't have a lot of experience
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: in college, had missed all of last year, a big
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: chunk of this year. He's still learning to be an
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: NFL quarterback. He's in his infant stages and there's no
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: way you can rush it. There's no way you can
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: get through it any faster than you know, other than
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: just taking snaps, going through adversity, having success, learning what
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: you can and can't do, figuring out the speed of
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: the game, getting comfortable and making changes at the line
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: of scrimmage.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: All of that's going to come with time.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: You can't rush it so, but it's a necessary process
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: for Minnesota. It sucks and it has to come halfway
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: through a second season, but it is what it is.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, you got to get through it.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: So they'll always be a dangerous team.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: You saw they had a lead at half and they
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: were they were playing some pretty good football. But then
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: you know, the cream of the crop just just rows up.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: The team that knows how to win did what they
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: had to do early in the quarter. They put their
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: foot in the throat early in the quarter and it.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Was a rap, and it was a rap.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Now, let's talk about this this transition quickly to it
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: being a rap. Elie Rams San Francisco forty nine ers,
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford making the case to win an MVP. We
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: talked about Drake May but Matthew Stafford just doing the deal.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: But I got to tell you just lance on a
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: note so where your dad will be laughing.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: The other Rams tried it out.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: Three tight ends and they're running a thirteen personnel package
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: and they're playing musical chairs with those three tight ends.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: They're going from the eye to like unbalanced line to
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: all kinds of funky stuff and they are absolutely giving
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: people problems when you look at the RAMS and all
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: the creative stuff they're doing on offense, what stands out
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: to you?
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that's what you talk about, is that
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: you know, from a personnel standpoint, learning how to personnel
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: your way into mismatches because you have to remember, teams
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: are not a lot of teams are not prepared. They're
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: coming in with stuff that they haven't seen or been
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: prepared for in practice, and I think it really tests.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: I remember my dad always told me in game, he
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: always felt like in game, and especially halftime halftime, what
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: changes you know when you make your halftime adjustments. He
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: always thought that was a little a little overrated. He said,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: you know, you don't have a lot of time on
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: the sideline. You try to figure out what they're doing
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: against you and what you can do to counter that.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: And it's a quick discussion halftime, it's almost no discussion.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, you have such little time. And so I
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: think with the RAMS, if they start showing you looks
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: that you're not used to, which is what they're doing
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: now with the thirteen personnel, at thirteen personnel can be brilliant.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: I saw Gary Kubiak, you of the preseason game years
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: ago against the San Francisco forty nine ers, and I'll
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: never forget how he was able to throw out of
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: that and then like he didn't want to show too much,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: but it really opened my eyes to the fact that, man,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: you thirteen, which is one running at three tight ends,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: you really have If you've got some flexible tight ends,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: you can really number one, you can unlock the running game.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: But if you threaten people with a little bit of
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: passing attack, they have to stay base and you can
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: really get after teams. You know, they can't go to
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: a heavy package, they can't go to heavy personnel. And
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: it just speaks to what the rams of. This is
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: the rams, this is what McVeigh does. McVeigh is one
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: of the great coaches. I think he's a younger version
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: of what John Gruden was at one point when he
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: was in the league. They're very similar personalities. But mcveigh's
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: just so creative. There's a reason everyone wants to hire
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: his coaches off the tree because Shanahan gets that all
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: the time. And I get that he came for that
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Shanahan tree, But I think McVeigh has done just an
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: absolutely brilliant job at getting the most out of his
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: quarterback and getting the most out of the offenses. And
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I think what gets overlooked is they know who they are.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Never have they not had their identity. They know what
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: their identity is. They may make some tweaks, but it's
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: not like they're searching. They just say, we're going to
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: do something different this game. It's not like we don't
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: know what our identity was. And how about the addition
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: of DeVonta Adams, how big that's been for that offense.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, it's just so great for them, right,
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Like you're talking about knowing who they are, Like they
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: have a way of.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Being solid, sound, and sexy all at once.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: Right, you're solid and sound in terms of like the
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: schemes that they use are super sound. They're time tested,
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: tried and true. We talk about how your dad would
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: just love the thirteen personnel package they basically have, you know, like,
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: and people won't get this, but old line coaches get this.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: When you have three tight ends on the field, if
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: you put all three of them on the side, you
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: create a five man's surface. And in creating that five
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: man's surface, you now have created an unbalanced line without
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: really moving all the people over and so now as
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: a defense, you have to figure out, hey man, do
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: we make the guard the strong side guard, the new center?
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: How do we bump over to this?
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: And then they can flip and move and then you
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: can go from a five man's surface to now, hey,
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: let's go I formation tight end wing wide receiver on
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: the backside. Now let's go I formation tight ends separate
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: size wide receiver out wide. I mean, they can create
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: so many problems for you shift and moving with the
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: personnel because they're versatile. So you got that part of it.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: You got the running game that is a test to that.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: You have a one of the best quarterbacks pocket passages
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: that we've seen in NFL history in Matthew Stafford. You
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: got two big receivers that can get it done, and
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: DeVante Adams and Pookuin Nakua, and they've created an environment
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: where everyone just doesn't care about this stasty just want
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: to win.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: So you know how hard it is.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: To deal with a team that can throw so much
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: at you and that players don't care where the ball
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: goes to me. That's a special thing and that really
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: allows Sean McVay to just, hey man, whatever we need
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: to do today to win this game.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: That's what we'll do.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: And this helps having a guy like DeVante Adams, a
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: veteran who's wanted the highest, like he knows what it's
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: supposed to be. He just wants to win right now.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: And so you have pookin Aku, who's an unselfish guy.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: You have a veteran who just you know, wants to win.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: He'll get his he'll get his looks when he gets
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: his looks. And that's still quite a bit. I mean
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: it's pretty frequently, but I think it's you talked about
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: when you have that of so on an unbalanced line,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: you're able to get hat on hat. They can't get enough,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: they can't get enough personnel for you not to have
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: an advantage. You're gonna have your linebackers back, so you
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: now have an automatic advantage in terms of your you know,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: your two main games working up to linebackers. Yes, you say, well,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: you're a little more limited. You're not going to be
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: able to stretch the defense. That's more compact, it's a
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: more condensed formation. I mean that's true, but at the
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: same time it allows you opportunities to increase it and
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: hit bigger gash runs as well. And you've actually got
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: the numbers in your favor in the box there typically,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: and if you want to get a little a little
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: if you want to get a little frogy with your safeties,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're getting play actioned and you
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: are you are having some issues down the field. So
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: I think it's just I think it's brilliant the way
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: that the Rams are saying, you're going to play our game.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: We're going to dictate the type of game that you're
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: going to play.
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: And I think having.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Two friends McVeigh and Kyle and Kyle Shanahan and having
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: him throw that thirteen out there at Shanahan, I think
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: that was also just a kind of a that's one
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: they'll kind of laugh about in the offseason. I don't
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: know that Shanahan laughs a whole lot, but they will
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: have them. They'll have a little conversation about that at
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: some point.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: Well let's talk about this, because on the other side, Shanahan,
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: say what you will. They lost the game, but mac
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: Jones put on another impressive performance. Mac Jones is certainly
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: setting himself up as a reclamation project. But here is
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: where some of that reclamation project goes to the wayside.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: You know, mac Jones signed a two year deal with
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: the forty nine is when he came on board. So
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: all of this good stuff where people are like, hey,
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: he's gonna be able to parlay this to something.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: No he's not.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: But are we going to have a quarterback competition in
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: San Francisco when brock Purdy's ready and available? Are we
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: getting to the point where we have to respect mac
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: Jones in that system where maybe just maybe not that
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: this buyer's remorse when it comes to brock Purdy, but
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: they even go to training camp, mag Jones did a
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: whole lot of playing and a lot of succeeding.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: What does that look like for the Niners in the future.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: You know, always I'm a big believer. One of my
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: biggest sticking points right now is the NFL has a
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: methodology where average to above average quarterbacks just because they're
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: next in the in the line is the queue. As
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: they would say in England, they just get this elite salary.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, it doesn't happen in baseball and baseball
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: you're going to get what the true, truly what the
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: market bears. The market's bearing this amount just because it's
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: a hard to find position. And you had something I
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: think you actually wrote an article about, and I know
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: you and I talked about this, about who would be
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: the first team that would try to just rotate quarterbacks and.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: Not look at quarterbacks almost like a college would look.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: I think you wrote that article, and that's that's an
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: interesting philosophy. It's it's probably easier to discuss than implement.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, Bucky, what happens when you
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: are Jacksonville and you plugged Trevor Trevor Lawrence never played
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: like an elite quarterback, but he's getting paid like it.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, you were, You were ready to put stipulations
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: in his contract about video games and watching tape.
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: You thought that was gonna go well, and you give
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: him the money that he got.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: And so I don't I don't know the last time
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: that an average quarterback got that elite money and performed
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: at a high level, performed to the standards of the contract.
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: It simply I don't think it ever happens.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: But what I so, Rock Purdy got a big payday,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: and so they're gonna have to pay him. I mean,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: they're gonna have to play him I'm curious if San
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: Francisco doesn't try to dangle a little carried out to
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: the Jets who have all these draft picks right now,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: say hey Jets, here's Daniel Jones two point zero, Matt Jones.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man, it is not a great quarterback draft by
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: the look of things.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: Hey, look, I don't we got time to get to
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: that on another podcast. Hey man, the people that are
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: trying to sell me on this twenty twenty six quarterback
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: class for the draft, Like I'm just writing my notes,
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: do not change.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Don't let TV change you when you get up there.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: We're talking about these guys all the time.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: Because Lance I don't see it, and because I don't
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: see it, each and every week they keep trying to
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: bring up somebody to do. We talked about Gary Nutsmer.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: He got bitch last weekend against Bama, sat him down.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: So what us So now the guys like your Mac Jones,
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: is your Daniel Jones is Those guys have value because
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: there's simply more jobs than people that can feel those jobs.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: What are we going to do with quarterback? If you
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: have an issue?
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: Baker?
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: So the reclamation projects with reclamation success with Baker, with
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Sam Donald so I knew my Sam Donald Gray was good, Bucky,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: it just took like six seven years for him to
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: get there.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: There's no inspiration date on it.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: That's right, Baker, Sam Daniel Jones, it really does. Frankly,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: everyone wants to know who's the next Daniel Jones instead
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: of drafting his quarterback draft. Well, that's where San Francisco
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: is going to have some They're gonna they're gonna find
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: that they're going to have a nice offer or two
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: for Mac Jones in the offseason. So that's gonna be
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: that's gonna be interesting because Max still has one year
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: left on that contract, as you mentioned, so he comes
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: at a very very favorable price. So he's either going
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: you got a chance to trade for Mac Jones and
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: you either get a bridge quarterback or you're giving him
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: one year to prove that he could be the next
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: potential Daniel Jones, which will run us into the Colts.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: And I thought, my man, I was like, I was like, man,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: I need to get up to Indianapolis and see Chris
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Baalers nice house again because I'll before the season start
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: on my this might be my last shot, you know,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: because I don't know what's going to happen this year.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: But I'll be damned if all the pieces haven't finally
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: fallen in place, those lines that he's been drafting for years,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: the wide receivers he's been accumulating, Jonathan Taylor with one
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: uncompetent quarterback, and frankly, I think some really good play
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: calling by Shane Steichen. It's come together now. There have
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: been signs the last couple of games that there's a
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: law of diminishing returns with Daniel Jones. If you ask
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: too much of them, the turnovers will start to crop up.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: But Man is at an explosive.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: Offense, explosive offense, and we've seen it come together. I
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: would say that bathers commitment to fielding, the all combined team,
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: all the guys with the measurables and all that is
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: coming together because they are fast, they are physical, and
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: when they got the right distributor turnovers and all it
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: works out.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about this last game.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about Atlanta Falcons and the Coals, because we're
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: talking about you got.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Bathered, hey man, the shoes real huh.
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you what, when you look at what the
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: Colts are doing right now.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: The first thing that comes to my mind is why
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: can Jonathan Taylor not be MVP?
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: He is to me, the most valuable player.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: And I get these arguments from Twitter, argument guys that
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: you can't look, the running back can never be the
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: most valuable. It's always the quarterback is the most valuable.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, See how good the Colts
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: offense would be if if Jonathan Taylor wasn't a major
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: factor and they couldn't utilize that play action pass. Jonathan
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Taylor is making Daniel Jones better. Jonathan Taylor is making
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Shane Steiken better. Jonathan Taylor's success, to me is the
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: number one reason I know Daniel Jones is going to
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: get the love because he's the quarterback. But to me,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: it all begins with the physicality and the ball control
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: and frankly, the explosiveness of Jonathan Taylor. And I hate
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: the idea that a running back cannot be an MVP
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: when I think he is the most valuable player, or
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: at least is in that discussion along with as you mentioned,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Stafford has really jumped up there. Drake may should be
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: in that conversation. Jonathan Taylor should be have a seat
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: at that table, in that discussion.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: Look, he's done a really good job of getting them
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: up and going two hundred plus yards against a Falcon
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: is terrific. This explosive place six seven years into the league.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: You're not supposed to be that fast running away from
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: defenders like he's doing.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: And look, man, it's the Bell Cow effect. You have
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: such a talent.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: A challenge dealing with the Colts because you got to
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: stop him first, no matter what we say, you got
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: to stop the run to set up everything else.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: And so you can't stop him.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: So now Ty Warren, Michael Pittman, Josh Downs, Alec Pearce,
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: they're one of their one on ones. On the backside,
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: that offensive line is beefy as physical. And then defensively,
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: lou Ana Roumo coming over maybe the most slept on
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: defensive coordinator because for whatever reason, the Beagles thought they
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: could get better than what they had in him. And
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: now you've given him some weapons, some playmakers. You make
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: a trade to get Sauce Guarden, and you put Sauce
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: out there, which eventually.
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: Gonna give them what you think of that deal.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: So from the Jet.
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: Standpoint, and I love ag and I understand the fact
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: of having five first round picks. But we've seen how
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: hard it is for teams to turn picks into players
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: and those those upper levels. Now, if they can do it,
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: it'll be great, but we just haven't seen many teams
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: do it now. I will say a couple of years ago, Sauce,
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: Garret Wilson, Jermaine Johnson, where the three today took. They
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: had three first round picks, and two of those guys
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: were offensive and defensive Rookie of the year.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Sauce was a two time All Pro. So you get that.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: But man, that's a lot of picks, and so you
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: can hoard them all trying to find a quarterback or whatever.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: But that's gonna be tough.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: But then they mess around and somehow won a game
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: against the Browns that we're not gonna talk about, but
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: they found a way to win the game. I just
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: think for the Colts, this was badly saying I'm all in.
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: I'm going all in, not just for this year, but
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: for the next few years. We'll figured got a way
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: to keep Daniel Jones. But the weapons that they have,
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: the firepart they have, they gonna be around for a minute.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And that was and frankly, you know, the ironic
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: thing is Balorder has never really believed in running backs
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, sorry, wide receivers, terbacks in the first round.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Kind of philosophical thing going back to his time with
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Jerry Angelo over in Chicago. And then he gives two
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: first rounders for a corner. You know, that's the irony,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: But I think it's also a nod to the fact
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: that he thinks his roster is where it needs to
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: be and maybe the first round picks late in the
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: twenties won't have as much value as getting a position
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: they know for a fact they need badly. And Sharvari's
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Ward is going to come back from concussion, so you're
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: gonna have wardback, You're gonna have Kenny Moore, you're gonna
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: have obviously, Sauce Gardner. I mean, man to go from
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: where the Colts were to where they are right now,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: where this doesn't look like a flash in the pan.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Provided Daniel Jones can take care of the football, the
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Colts are going to be a really tough out once
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: their secondary you know, gets healthy. I mean, I mean, look,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: well they're really tough out right now, regardless.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's the only thing that you worried about
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: By right, is the only thing that you worried about
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: with them is them being healthy enough to take advantage of.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: The stuff that they have.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: And as Daniel Jones is really coming back to earth
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: with the turnovers, can he manage those turnovers and not
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: give the ball away? But they're good enough where they
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: they can overcome it. Now, let's talk about quickly the
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: Atlanta Falcons. Michael Pennix didn't look great. And I know
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: we're only in kind we're in year two, but it's
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: kind of the end of his rookie season. What do
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: you think about the former first round quarterback in Atlanta.
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: He's right where I thought he'd be.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: I had him behind Nix and May and Caleb and Jayden.
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: I wasn't as high on him as others.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: I thought that Ryan Gruff's system, and I thought he
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: played really well in Washington. I was very bothered by
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: three years where he was. You know, he had three
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: seasons where he had seasoned Indian injuries that always concerned me.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: There was some problems with him throwing accurately when he
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: got outside of the pocket on the run. He had
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: really low completion ratings, which kind of bothered me. And
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: I think you're seeing right now. He was late on
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: some throws yesterday and an out rolly through that it
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: was a deep out and got there so late the
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: receiver jumped caught it and he landed outside of the
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: white so he was like way out.
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: I'm like, man, that's that's got to come out quicker.
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: I look quickly. But you know, Drake London has Drake
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: London has been good.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's got some weapons over there. But for me,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Pennis isn't really unlocking anything. He's not doing anything that
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: an average quarterback wouldn't do. And it's a shame because
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: you've got Vijon over there, You've got Drake London. Pitt's
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: still will flash and give you some you know, give
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: you some looks here and there. Tyler Algiers done a
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: nice job as a finisher when he gets inside the
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: red zone. So I don't know. I'm just not feeling
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: with with with Pinnis and he still needs time. Not
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: saying give up on Pinis, but I got to start
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: seeing some more flashes from Pinnis. I'm not seeing enough
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: flashes right now.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: I thought that he would be doing a little more,
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: just being able to kind of like down in lock
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: it and give them Explosi development and whatever. He's showing
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: flashes thought, of course the season just didn't have a
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: great performance yesterday, and I think when you're Atlanta, like
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: everyone kind of has to get it done. Now, not
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: saying that a Raheem Morris's job is on the line,
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: but I just know in this in this league.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: And you don't have a whole lot of time to
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: kind of figure it out.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: Maybe you can turn around, maybe you can find his way,
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: Maybe Zach Robinson can find a way to kind of
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: integrate everything into the package. Because they're talented enough to
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: get it done, and they're playing better on defense than
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: we ever imagine. They let a game slip that they
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: had they just needed to finish it out and they
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: couldn't get it.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: They couldn't get it done.
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: And I think with Penis it's really going to be
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: about consistency. I mean that completion rate.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: It started in Washington's seventy six point nine in that game,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: then sixty two five against Buffalo, and then since then
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: fifty five three, fifty nine to five, and then against
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: the Colts forty two nine, then no third down conversions.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: It was Yeah, it was a it was a rough game,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: and the Falcons, as you mentioned, wa better defensively than
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: we thought. And I thought the Falcons were gonna end
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: up being a serious threat to Tampa. But the Saints
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: really good win beating out I was I was hoping
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Carolina was kind of turning the corner. I'm cheering for them.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: I want to see them do well, but that was
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: not a good one.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: They're losing that one at home.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: The Panthers, they finally get you excited about who they
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: are and what they could be, then they lay in
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: an egg, like the.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: NFL in a nutshell.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: This is why the NFL is is this way. Is
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: any given Sunday is a real phrase that actually has meaning.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: I mean just it just drives you crazy.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Or any given Thursday, or any given Sunday, any given Monday,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: or any given Saturday late in the season when we
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: also have Saturday games general we all put together.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it just drives you crazy because that should have
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: been one where they they should I mean, you would
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: think that they would be able to stack it together
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: and started to get some wins. But that's the league, man,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: that's the league.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: Just crazy. But you know what else is the league,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: lan Z is in a league of his own.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: Man, I appreciate you stepping in for the boys, chatting
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: up with your boy, just talking about all those things.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: But you know what, I really get excited tomorrow. We
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: got read what's coming on. He's will talking about the
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: Ricky draft whatever.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: That look like.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: I don't even know if my guy's gonna play, but
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: no one cares, But I'm excited. Lance says, You're beginning
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: to dig into this draft class and look at some
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: of these dudes.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: And we may not have quarterbacks, but boy, there's some
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: talent though.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'll be looking at rets quarterback from Indiana sometime soon.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you're gonna hear a lot about that went
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: over Penn State. I'm sure that's gonna come up on
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: the show.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, yes, it's gonna come up. Yeah.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: I can't wait for you to dig into Mendoze because
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: I'm sitting here trying to figure out, like, man.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: Is Mendoza for real? Are we for real?
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: We might be?
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: I'm waiting to see it's Ty Simpson for real, It's
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Ty Simpson out? You really want to be that guy
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: who plays one year college football?
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: Come out?
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: Not a great success rate, that's all the stuff.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: We'll get you down the road.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: But hey, man so much man, Hey, this is mooda sticks.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: I'm going Brooks this landesdy Until next time we'll catch
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: you with you